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Postgame notes: “We just didn’t have much to show for it”

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After a third-straight loss to open the season, sentiment in the Yankees clubhouse seemed to be universal.

“The at-bats have been consistent and pretty solid, swinging at strikes,” Alex Rodriguez said. “Everything they did worked out perfectly. Everything we did worked out imperfectly.”

Even after a three-hit, 3-0 shutout, the Yankees seemed to be shaking their heads more than hanging their heads. This isn’t usually a make-excuses clubhouse, but the Yankees seemed honestly happy with the way they hit this weekend, they just weren’t happy with the number of hits. In terms of line drives and hard-hit balls, the Yankees didn’t have a particularly bad weekend, but the Rays aggressive use of a defensive shift worked incredibly well. With three losses by a total of six runs, missed opportunities carried considerable weight.

“That’s a defense I’ve never seen before,” Nick Swisher said. “I don’t think anybody has ever seen that, especially to everybody. You’re talking about everybody from Curt to Al, Cano, Tex, myself. I can even think of a hard-hit ball Tex had last night, man, takes that run away. Curt hit two lasers up the middle yesterday and (Sean) Rodriguez was standing right behind second base. We can’t get frustrated because we’re not getting results because we are putting great at-bats together. We’re doing things the right way. We just haven’t picked up that first W yet.”

Even with the shift, the Yankees scored six runs both Friday and Saturday, but still couldn’t get a win. Today the Yankees finally had a well-pitched game, but it came with a near complete-game shutout from Jeremy Hellickson.

“I don’t want to take anything away from the kid,” Joe Girardi said. “But we lined out a number of times, and that’s going to happen.”

Said Mark Teixiera: “That’s why I like hitting home runs, because they can’t catch it when you hit home runs. You can score a lot of runs that way. But if you’re not hitting home runs, you’re at the mercy of the balls falling it. I thought we swung the bats well all weekend, we just didn’t have much to show for it.”

• Not a bad outing for Phil Hughes, just a short outing. He allowed two runs — one on a misplayed ball by Raul Ibanez, another on a solo homer by Carlos Pena — but runs weren’t the problem. “I just have to put guys away early in counts and try and have some quick innings in the middle innings,” Hughes said. “Obviously you’re going to have jams every now and then, but if you can get some quick innings to move things along, it helps. The pitch count was the issue today.”

• Hughes actually broke Matt Joyce’s bat on that first-inning triple, but Ibanez — starting in right field for the first time since 2005 — misread the ball, then misplayed it. “He hit it off the end and it had some top spin on it,” Ibanez said. “I misread it, the velocity of the ball, and then I tried to make a play instead of laying up. I tried to go for it with a guy on second base and it didn’t work out. I screwed it up.”

• On the Pena home run, Hughes went to a fastball at 3-2. He said he’d thrown so many offspeed pitches in the at-bat that he thought he could surprise Pena with a fastball in that situation. Obviously Pena was ready for it.

• This was the first time since Hughes’ major league debut that the Yankees were held scoreless in a Hughes start. Last year, Hughes led all major league pitchers in run support per nine innings.

• Girardi on Hughes: “I thought it was a pretty positive outing. Obviously you don’t want to see 100 pitches in five innings but overall I thought it was a pretty positive outing today. We saw his velocity the whole way throughout. He threw a really good changeup. His curveball and cutter were decent. He just got into some really long counts.”

• Aside from the home run by Jeff Keppinger, Boone Logan looked pretty sharp in his first outing since feeling lower back tightness on the last day of spring training. He struck out three in an inning and a third. “I felt good,” Logan said. “Arm felt really good. I felt like there was more arm than whole-body in my delivery tonight. But I expected that. It felt like it got looser and looser the more pitches I threw, it didn’t get tighter, which is a good feeling to have. That (home run) ball just ran over the plate. What can you do?”

• Girardi on the decision to let Logan stay in to face Keppinger: “I can’t use Mo, Robertson and Soriano every day, and when we’re losing, we try to get some innings out of some other guys down there. Boone had thrown the ball really well to three hitters, and then he made a mistake with the fastball. He finished up getting Molina, looking good.”

• Both Ibanez and Granderson fouled balls off their right legs and were limping a little, but both said it was no big deal. They expect to be fine tomorrow.

• Another fan reached over the right-field wall to affect a ball in play today. This time it was properly ruled a double without the need for replay. Ibanez said it was the right call. He said the ball was going to hit the top of the wall, but he had no chance of catching it.

• Pretty good debut for David Phelps who faced two batters, getting a strikeout and a groundout. “It’s a great feeling,” Phelps said. “You dream about it your whole life. Jogging out to the mound when they called me, it was like, ‘Oh my gosh, this is really happening.’ I was fortunate enough to get ahead of the first guy. We had a good scouting report on him. Russ called all the pitches, and I just had to throw them. It was awesome. It’s what you hope for.”

• Last time the Yankees opened a season 3-0 was 1998. That season seemed to work out alright.

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163 Responses to “Postgame notes: “We just didn’t have much to show for it””

  1. JobaTipsHisCap April 8th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    First

  2. Gary April 8th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Both guys are in the puckerbrush on the second hole. Like ID quoted a couple of foul balls on fastballs.

  3. sdjohn April 8th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Yup, they should definitely be positive after being swept. Pickin up just where they left off last year, covering their inability to hit against good pitching, by saying things like good ab’s and swinging at strikes, can’t place the ball. Here’s a thought, try going the other way where there is only one defender vs 3 in the infield. Maybe stop swinging for an HR every AB.

  4. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards April 8th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    for a big media center like NY, the yankees players/manager sure get asked cupcake questions.
    oy.

  5. randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    watson and oosthuizen both choke under pressure and hit drives way right.

    oosthuizen balls kicks back in fairway.

    sports at it’s best.

    duel

  6. JM April 8th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Once again, the Masters provides great theater….

  7. LGY April 8th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    If you want to compare Hughes to last season then sure it was pretty good.

    But what’s the point of that?

    There’s no reason to grade him on a curve especially when Andy and Pineda will be knocking on the door by May.

    On a curve with last season in mind pretty good. Evaluating him like a normal MLB starting pitcher, very poor outing.

  8. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    ^ Last.

  9. Gary April 8th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    The only thing missing out there for Bubba is the campfire and the smores

    What a shot by Bubba!!!!

  10. muwarriorsfan April 8th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    “for a big media center like NY, the yankees players/manager sure get asked cupcake questions oy.”

    You always hear how tough the NY media is and they pretty much roll over and play dead for the Yanks. How can Tex not be called out for his reluctance to go the other way? How can Swisher not be called out for his horrific chokes with RISP?

  11. randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    bubba watson with the shot of his life

  12. randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    hooked a wedge

    amazing shot

  13. Nick in SF April 8th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Can we grade him on a curve against CC and Kuroda’s starts?

  14. Gary April 8th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Randy right!!!! Shades of Tiger

  15. LGY April 8th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Can we grade him on a curve against CC and Kuroda’s starts?

    ——-

    All three of them sucked, sadly even KURODA.

  16. randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    gary

    i’m going back and forth rooting for each guy.

    rooting for great golf really.

  17. Gary April 8th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Bubba two putts for the Green Jacket

  18. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    LGY – 99 pitches, 66 for strikes… lots of foul balls because pitchers lean on fastballs early int he year…. what exactly was wrong with Phils start?

    Did you actually watch it? I sure doesn’t sound like you did.

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock April 8th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Girardi on the decision to let Logan stay in to face Keppinger: “I can’t use Mo, Robertson and Soriano every day,”
    ////

    Nope. Not even when they’re rested and we’re in Game 2 of a five-game series.

  20. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Yeah….count me in for Hughes giving up 5 ot 6 runs in 6 innings. Boy…that’s improvement for ya’.

  21. randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    easy two putt for the win.

    watch bubba sink it.

    either way bubba’s gonna cry

  22. Gary April 8th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    USA USA great job Bubba 2012 Masters Champion

  23. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Charleston wins their 3rd straight game. The offense was supposed to be the big ticket in town, but, they’ve only scored 4 runs in the three games. Their pitcing has allowed 1 run. Mason Williams was 1-4 with a stolen base and Bichette was 2-4. Sanchez was 0-4.

    here’s the box score.

    http://www.milb.com/gameday/in…..x_crdafx_1

  24. LGY April 8th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    LGY – 99 pitches, 66 for strikes… lots of foul balls because pitchers lean on fastballs early int he year…. what exactly was wrong with Phils start?

    Did you actually watch it? I sure doesn’t sound like you did.

    ——–

    Have you ever watched a Phil Hughes start? Hitters fouling off a huge percentage of his pitches is normal.
    He didn’t make it through 5 innings. No way to color that as a good start.

  25. randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    those southern red necks act all tough and cry like babies when they win :)

  26. Tar April 8th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    “Evaluating him like a normal MLB starting pitcher, very poor outing.”

    Kuroda had a very poor outing, Phil didn’t give him them innings, but it wasn’t a poor outing.

    Lets say Joe let’s him go to 118 pitches (like Maddon did) and he gets in to the 7th would that change your mind?

  27. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
    those southern red necks act all tough and cry like babies when they win

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I hear that “Northern rednecks” do their share of blubbering when they can’t get Bigfoot out of their bedroom.

  28. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Yeah, Hughes has to economize, put hitters away and the curve has to be better, but at least his FB has been consistently good, he is integrating a change up (threw @15 of them today) and he gave us a chance to win. I thought it was an encouraging outing for the first one of his young season.

  29. Nick in SF April 8th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    “He didn’t make it through 5 innings. No way to color that as a good start.”

    Come on, you can be critical but at least be fair. Joe could’ve left him out there for another out but chose not to. It’s not like Phil got blown off the mound.

    Have you and Pat M made arrangements to settle up your bet?

  30. versonine April 8th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Hughes’ start was more of the usual. Too many pitches, couldnt finish batters off.

  31. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Odd start to the season for a lot of teams’ pitching staffs. The NL has no undefeated teams and no winless teams.

  32. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Phelps looked good in his appearance.

    I thought he pitched well under pressure for a first time out.

  33. LGY April 8th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Have you and Pat M made arrangements to settle up your bet?

    ——-

    I assumed we might settle up at the end of the season pending our Swisher Wells bet but I haven’t caught Pat M on here to see what he wants to do.

  34. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 8th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    Girardi on the decision to let Logan stay in to face Keppinger: “I can’t use Mo, Robertson and Soriano every day,”
    ////

    Nope. Not even when they’re rested and we’re in Game 2 of a five-game series.
    _____
    Should have gone to Phelps. This trying to sneak the LOOGY past righties sh*t is driving me crazy.

  35. Nick in SF April 8th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    The Mets and Diamondbacks are undefeated, the Braves and Giants are winless.

  36. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    I was somewhat surprised that Justin Maxwell got through the AL without being claimed. Not a surprise that Houston claimed him.

  37. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards April 8th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    # yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Yeah, Hughes has to economize, put hitters away and the curve has to be better, but at least his FB has been consistently good, he is integrating a change up (threw @15 of them today) and he gave us a chance to win. I thought it was an encouraging outing for the first one of his young season.

    yep, economizing is KEY in his second and future starts.
    its frustrating to see.

    the yankees sure do look old and slow.
    no base threats, outside of brett and grandy.
    i can’t wait for the days of Mason, Sanchez and Dante, IF they are allowed to become Yanks. lol

  38. Tar April 8th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    “Should have gone to Phelps. This trying to sneak the LOOGY past righties sh*t is driving me crazy”

    Yeah me too. Wade was warmed up (again) and ready to go.

  39. versonine April 8th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    I see the old man is still senile. The Teixeira going to all fields earlier today, the no winless and perfect record NL teams now.

  40. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards April 8th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    bret, a guy like maxwell is exactly what we needed as a 4th OF.
    NOT Raul.

  41. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Maybe they are. I didn’t look at the standings. Just got the notes off of the radio. Shame on them.

  42. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    I spent the morning wading in the Esopus River trying to hook one of those big Rainbows headed back to the Ashokan reservoir.

    Fighting the wind and the current, the river all to myself on Easter morning.

    Then this afternoon watching the Yankees lose to Tampa in that monstrosity of a plastic gymnasium they call home field.

    I thought Phil pitched well, much better thanat this time last season. Alec has looked sharpe in Tampa, I think we’ll play better when we get home.

  43. randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    “I hear that “Northern rednecks” do their share of blubbering when they can’t get Bigfoot out of their bedroom.”

    northern red necks learn not to cry because tears would freeze theirs eyes shut.

    bubba sniffling though his interview.

    cracks me up.

    but im happy for the guy.

    good story.

    never took a lesson.

  44. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    What this team needs is to strike out more. Yes!

  45. Tar April 8th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Rhapsody

    I’m envious, that’s a beautiful place.

  46. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Tar, or Wade. At least, he seems to have straightened himself out of late. Good to see.

  47. Gary April 8th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    You or at least me never tires of the emotion of someone or a team winning for the first time. I think it’s great Bubba is so emotional he earned it!

  48. Betsy April 8th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Insisting that Phil pitched very well today is pretty humorous. It’s an opinion, not a set-in-stone fact. When you pitch 4 2/3 and throw 100 pitches, that’s not that good. The foul balls are not some accidental thing – Phil has had serious issues in that regard for a long time. He either fixes it or he doesn’t.

  49. DaveD April 8th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    “On a curve with last season in mind pretty good. Evaluating him like a normal MLB starting pitcher, very poor outing.”

    Agree 100% LGY.

  50. Tar April 8th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    YF

    Why Joe’s reluctance to use him? The I can’t use Mo everyday line from Joe wasn’t even applicable because it was Wade who was warmed up. Just like when Rapada faced Longoria.

  51. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Why are there LOOGY’s but not ROOGY’s? That’s truly over-managing baseball… having a pitcher on the roster that is only good at getting out less than 50% of the batters in the league.

    I’m not saying taking Logan out today was the right move… but these lefty relievers that get absolutely crushed by right handed hitters have no place on my roster. Just like the positionless DH… they don’t perform all facets of the game and are a liability to my limited 25 man roster.

    Something about Girardi’s comment above irks me too… “I can’t use Mo, Robertson and Soriano every day”

    uh… yes Joe… Yes you can. You should never use them ALL IN THE SAME GAME. EVER. One of the 3 of those pitchers should pitch in almost every game that’s close.

  52. luis April 8th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    My thoughts on the game:

    1) Ibanez should not play the field, no matter what. He is a liability defensively.

    2) Hughes had a reasonable good outing. Good FB, fair and good CU’s. He needs to work on the CB, too short, loopy and slow. But overall it was a nice first step in the right direction. I wish he would ad the splitter.

    3) The offense is frustrating. Hopefully they will get in a groove soon. Swisher is a lost case, they should try to bunt a little to counter the shifts.

  53. Betsy April 8th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Phil was ok. I think LGY is being harsh, but I agree that it makes no sense to compare Phil to last year when he had no arm and no nothing. He just has to be compared to the rest of his staff cohorts, short of CC and Kuroda.

  54. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    randy l. April 8th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    “I hear that “Northern rednecks” do their share of blubbering when they can’t get Bigfoot out of their bedroom.”

    northern red necks learn not to cry because tears would freeze theirs eyes shut.

    bubba sniffling though his interview.

    cracks me up.

    but im happy for the guy.

    good story.

    never took a lesson.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    big deal…he never took a lesson. I gave the 1969 US Open champ lessons. Showed him things that he never thought was possible on a golf course. after that, he forgot everything I showed him and he never came close to winning another major.

  55. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Betsy – He didn’t throw 100 pitches because he walked the park, which is the most important thing in my eyes. Once his pitches come into form this season he’s going to kill it. I’m very excited.

  56. Bo knows April 8th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    The Yankees need some “Hit it where they ain’t” lessons.

    Oh, Love Teix’s

    Said Mark Teixiera: “That’s why I like hitting home runs, because they can’t catch it when you hit home runs. You can score a lot of runs that way. But if you’re not hitting home runs, you’re at the mercy of the balls falling it. I thought we swung the bats well all weekend, we just didn’t have much to show for it.”

    Dumb is as Dumb does. Rockey science is probably out of the question.

    Hey Teix, how’s your adjustment working out? A twirlin and a boppin – I think you should open up more, yeah, that’s the ticket

  57. Betsy April 8th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    ID, ok that’s fair. I think he was ok and there were definitely some good signs. I can’t say he was great, but if he’s going to throw his CU more, that will be a big help. He was definitely not terrible or bad………..but the foul balls have to stop.

  58. Betsy April 8th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    If only because they wear him out. He’s got such a good FB that cutting down on the foul balls will allow him to be that much stronger later in the game. I still have faith that he will find a good curve…….or at least workable.

    I would absolutely not try to teach him a new pitch this year.

  59. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    LGY, how do you divorce Hughes’s start from last season’s issues though. Why would you want to? It is his first start; he is still learning to be a pitcher. Calling it a very poor outing is hyperbolic. He gave us a chance to win. And he threw at least 15 friggin’ changeups; that is worth something and will make him a better pitcher.

  60. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    LGY, how do you divorce Hughes’s start from last season’s issues though. Why would you want to? It is his first start; he is still learning to be a pitcher. Calling it a very poor outing is hyperbolic. He gave us a chance to win. And he threw at least 15 friggin’ changeups; that is worth something and will make him a better pitcher.

    ===========================================

    +1

  61. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    The next time I post here I definitely will stay away from Phil Hughes commentary.

    Night folks.

  62. DaveD April 8th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    “Betsy – He didn’t throw 100 pitches because he walked the park, which is the most important thing in my eyes. Once his pitches come into form this season he’s going to kill it. I’m very excited.”

    Hughes has never been the type of pitcher to walk the park. His problem has always been inability to put guys away once he has 2 strikes. Too many foul balls and long ABs against him

    He had an excellent Fastball today too and they still were able to work him.

  63. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Bo, yeah I cringed at that Teix hitting homeruns quote. Not what we want to hear Teix say.

  64. RadioKev April 8th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    What the Rays are doing with their defense seems very exciting, something to keep an eye on this season.

  65. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Yankeefem-

    And he had decent velocity.

    Now I’m done. Good night.

  66. RadioKev April 8th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    A home run is the best result possible result. That’s fundamental baseball.

  67. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    People continue ignoring just how good Hughes was last year in 8 of his 11 starts after returning from the DL.

  68. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Tar, it is hard to fathom what Joe is thinking when he makes that can’t use them every day remark, especially when he didn’t use any of them yesterday. He talks about how with our offense we can always come back, and then doesn’t pitch the right pitchers to give us an opportunity to do so. SMH.

  69. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Hi Bets!,

    To be clear. I know that he won’t learn the splitter this year. But if he does for next season it will give a different dimension to his repertoire. That’s a true put away pitch that will help him be more economical, therefore allowing him to go deeper in to games. But this season he has to work on the CB.

  70. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    He definitely needs to drive the FB’s (mostly the cutter) down in the zone more, a lot of pitches still float up in the zone. Consequently a lot of the fouled off pitches are those high FB’s. I think they worry too much about setting up his curveball with high FB’s out of the zone rather than just using it like the weapon it is. There is no reason for him to be a FB pitcher, but that’s the way they call his games so that’s what he gets.

    The good news is that he is healthy and throwing the ball well… easy heat… once he gets his CU and Curve in order (most pitchers don’t have their full arsenal working until like… the end of may) so there is no reason to think anything but good things are coming.

  71. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    tampa ran up the pitch counts pretty well the first two games. If they hadn’t gotten hits on so many first pitch strikes in those games. neither starter would have lasted as long as they did.

  72. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Rhapsody, I agree, and about Alex as well. He looks good. ‘Night.

  73. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Bo and YF,

    That’s the all or nothing approach that this offense has become attached to. No situational hitting, and i am not talking about Tex alone….You could add to that list Martin,Swisher and lately Granderson.

  74. Nick in SF April 8th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    We have Super Nova to play the role of stopper and get us our first win.

    The 0-3 SF Giants turn to… Barry Zito. :shock:

  75. djsunyc April 8th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    hughes is fastball fastball fastball – when it’s not 94+ or with movement, then there’s gonna be alot of fouls. he needs to mix it up a bit more. i still think he’s the real heir apparent to mariano b/c when he comes in out of the pen, he just lets it go a 94 and strikes everyone out.

  76. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Nick,

    I am not too confident that the Giants are getting out of the hole with Zito pitching. But i wouldn’t bet against Nova, playing the role of stopper

  77. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    dj,

    That’s Drob’s job. Hughes doesn’t have the mentality for that role.

  78. Bo knows April 8th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    That’s why I like Cano. He tried to go for power last year, first half, saw it was hurting his hitting, backed off and delivered a good year again.

    I don’t understand why players don’t copy the Cano at bats. Everything is smooth and quiet, no contortions, no leg kicks. His hands drop into the slot, a glide step and stroke.

  79. Triple Short of a Cycle April 8th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    What the Rays are doing with their defense seems very exciting, something to keep an eye on this season.

    —————————————————————————

    With all the money and resources we have why aren’t we finding new revolutuionary methods to gain a leg up?

  80. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Triple – Can we give it more than 3 games to be considered “a leg up”? 100+ years of baseball says it isn’t.

  81. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Our leg up is catcher defense as per Mike Fast. ;)

  82. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Those shifts will burn them as often or more than help them.

  83. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    If the players are intelligent enough to play against them. Like Fielder did today.

  84. Bo knows April 8th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    That’s the all or nothing approach that this offense has become attached to. No situational hitting, and i am not talking about Tex alone….You could add to that list Martin,Swisher and lately Granderson.

    ———————————–
    That’s the root evil. They’ll score a run or two early and then beat up on middle relief in the seventh. It’s really hard on the starting pitching, no safety net. They’re in trouble if a good starter goes long, as happened today. As to fouling off a tough pitch, not an option. Swing harder.

  85. Triple Short of a Cycle April 8th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Those shifts will burn them as often or more than help them.

    —————————————————————————

    If it proves to be more hurtful then effective then they will stop using it.

  86. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    Bo and YF,

    That’s the all or nothing approach that this offense has become attached to. No situational hitting, and i am not talking about Tex alone….You could add to that list Martin,Swisher and lately Granderson.
    ____
    That’s why he hurts to trade away a player who hits not only for power but average. The lack of situational hitting has been an albatross, especially in the playoffs.

  87. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    *it hurts

  88. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Yankeefem,

    I tried to connect to MiLB tv, but i don’t appear as registered user. When i got MLB tv i got MiLB as well. do i have to register again and pay?

  89. Triple Short of a Cycle April 8th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Triple – Can we give it more than 3 games to be considered “a leg up”? 100+ years of baseball says it isn’t.

    ——————————————————————————–

    But the mere fact of them trying new things to get an edge is the issue. When we started trying to change our minors system and to build a team with our own guys we were copying the Red Sox. This is what Cash said. Why are we always late to the party?

  90. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Luis, when you bought mlb, did it give you an option to add milb as well, at a discounted price? If you added it, then you have it. If not, you need to purchase it.

    The feed for the Betances game from Lehigh is very good; however, the ones from Syracuse are terrible, so rewatching Banuelos won’t be particularly informative.

  91. Nick in SF April 8th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    That reminds me, tomorrow night: Yu Darvish vs. Jesus Montero for all our tears.

  92. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    I know…… :(

  93. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Napoli got today off too. Guess it’s not just Girardi/Martin.

  94. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Yes i did, or at least i think i did. But it doesn’t recognizes my login

  95. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Luis, is it a different one than the mlb one? You had to register for both, so are you sure you have the right one?

  96. Jerkface April 8th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    The shift helps more than hurts,batting averages with and without prove it. Hitters hit to certain spots more often than not… that’s what defensive positioning is for. Shifts just take it to the logical conclusion.

  97. Rich in NJ April 8th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    “Said Mark Teixiera: “That’s why I like hitting home runs, because they can’t catch it when you hit home runs. You can score a lot of runs that way. But if you’re not hitting home runs, you’re at the mercy of the balls falling it. I thought we swung the bats well all weekend, we just didn’t have much to show for it.”

    It’s early and I realize he’s frustrated, but this is not encouraging.

  98. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle April 8th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    Those shifts will burn them as often or more than help them.

    —————————————————————————

    If it proves to be more hurtful then effective then they will stop using it.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Most of those shifts are useless on grass. They can’t play deep enough for them to work.

  99. luis April 8th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    I thought it was the same. It works fine for MLB but not for MiLB. I registered and then tried to connect, but then it told me that i had to pay. When i got it, i got for both sites in the same offer. I don’t get it. I guess i’ll have to e-mail them.

  100. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Rich, QFT and I had thought Teix was buying into going the other way. :mad:

  101. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    luis, I remember that they offered milb with mlb but I had to put in an additional username, ID for milb (although using the same info user, password info in both accounts works as long as you put them in separately). Maybe you forgot to do so? See if you received an email from milb that confirmed your purchase.

  102. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I’m sure if you asked a golfer, he would say that chipping the ball in is great because he doesn’t have to putt.

    You guys try to extract meaning out of the strangest things…

  103. Rich in NJ April 8th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    yf

    I hope he’s just too proud to admit it, but if he means what he says, then his decline over the last two seasons v. RHP will likely be enduring. And it would also be kind of arrogant, because if he had the motivation that a soon to be an expiring contract might provide, he would probably have to confront any weakness in his approach instead of merely paying it lip service.

    But I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

    What can’t continue, however, is putting Ibanez in the OF.

    He’s heroin for Girardi, and it needs to be flushed down the toilet before he needs his fix again.

  104. igotid88 April 8th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    I called it earlier. The Yanks wouldn’t score any runs after scoring 12 the first 2 games

  105. djsunyc April 8th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    igotid88 April 8th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    I called it earlier. The Yanks wouldn’t score any runs after scoring 12 the first 2 games

    ——

    for the rest of the season?

  106. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    igotid88 April 8th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    I called it earlier. The Yanks wouldn’t score any runs after scoring 12 the first 2 games

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Good for you. Did your mommy give you a kiss and a cookie?

  107. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Jerkface – Shifting based on a batters hit location data would make sense. There is no guarantee that the Rays are doing it correctly though. Nothing else Maddon does is “by the numbers” OR “by the book” so… if this was the first time he did the smart thing I’ll stand surprised.

    I was looking at this… http://katron.org/projects/baseball/hit-location/

    Shifting on someone like A-Rod seems to indicate that they are overdoing it a tad.

  108. Bo knows April 8th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Can we get a shout out to Avila for that walk off homer? Boston joins Yanks in miserable starts. Melancon still, company man, in Boston.

    Misery…. Company

    Hmmm, should be a truism there somewhere

  109. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    I called it earlier. The Yanks wouldn’t score any runs after scoring 12 the first 2 games

    Didn’t you actually say they “wouldn’t score any runs for hughes” which was… odd at the time considering he led the league in run support last year?

  110. djsunyc April 8th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    one game at a time folks…3 down…one hundred and fifty nine to go lol…

  111. Pat M. April 8th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Thank You Bubba Watson

  112. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Yankeefem,

    I am so dumb…..I have the link on the MLB.com e-mail. I just activated the account.

  113. Rich in NJ April 8th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    Personally, I don’t care what the RS do unless they are playing the Yankees. Neither team is this bad, although the RS are probably measurably worse than the Yankees, but both teams have vulnerabilities that could pose ongoing problems.

  114. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    If the pitchers happen to miss their spot by just a bit, those outs that they getting now are going to total a lot of singles and doubles.

  115. Nick in SF April 8th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Tex then went on to say “That’s why I really love the Juice Press. Win or lose, you can’t go wrong with some delicious and nutricious organic juice!”

  116. versonine April 8th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    lol bo knows. Teix is a fool.

  117. Irreverent Discourse April 8th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    GoT time… I’ll check in later in the week after a few wins :)

  118. versonine April 8th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    We’re currently tied for the division lead with the Red Sox.

  119. m April 8th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    No offense to Tampa-ites, but I’m sure the Yankees are ready to get out of the area. Just felt lie an extension of ST.

    Now on to beat the Showboaters. :)

  120. Nick in SF April 8th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Nice thought, bo knows, but you’re late to the party:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....nt-2210639

  121. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    YF,

    I am watching!!!

  122. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Luis, which game? Betances’s

    It further didn’t help our hitting today that with Hellboy pitching, we saw a dearth of fastballs…

  123. Wang IS Taiwan April 8th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    “I can’t use Mo, Robertson and Soriano every day, and when we’re losing, we try to get some innings out of some other guys down there.”

    Of course not, Girardi. When we’re losing, you just throw in the towel. YOU’RE the problem, not the guys. It’s the first series, and we gotta handle those guys with kids gloves?!

    This is going to be a long season watching him take games away from the guys that they could win.

    He’s AWFUL. I’ve been saying it since day 1 and his ban on sweets in the clubhouse.

  124. Rich in NJ April 8th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    “I’ve been saying it since day 1 and his ban on sweets in the clubhouse.”

    Do you have a disproportionate amount of candy manufacturers stocks in your portfolio? ;)

  125. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Yes YF.

    Isn’t the Yankees a good FB hitting team?…..I think the problem is that since they only know to swing hard, they got their fair share of CU’s, which is why they struggled so bad.

  126. Tar April 8th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “He’s AWFUL. I’ve been saying it since day 1 and his ban on sweets in the clubhouse.”

    How do you feel about fried chicken and beer?

  127. Jerkface April 8th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    There is no guarantee that the Rays are doing it correctly though.

    Oh yea I’m sure a baseball organization which uses lots of data correctly (like stacking same handed batters vs change up pitchers to great effect) is just shifting their batters willy nilly.

    They have the numbers on how the Yankee hitters spray ground balls. Infield defense does not defense against line drives or flyballs, and guys generally tend to hit the same kind of grounders to the same spots.

    It only makes logical sense to maneuver your infielders around.

  128. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    He struck out the first batter he faced with a nasty CB 79 mph with huge break.

  129. Jerkface April 8th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Most hitters do not spray ground balls around the infield, and of course overshifts still have atleast 1 guy on the opposing side, more than enough to cover ‘weak’ ground balls.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  130. Jerkface April 8th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    http://www.billjamesonline.com....._to_shift/

  131. Jerkface April 8th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    If the pitchers happen to miss their spot by just a bit, those outs that they getting now are going to total a lot of singles and doubles.

    This doesn’t make any sense, because I’m sure hitters are putting balls in play on ‘mistake pitches’, ‘missed location pitches’, and well made pitches, and have for their career. And in their career they ground a certain % of balls to one side of the infield ,and once that number reaches a certain point it makes more sense to shift.

    Decrying defensive alignment … really guys. Fundamental baseball.

  132. Vineyard Yankee April 8th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Unfortunate the Yanks are 0 -3, only 159 more to go.

    Is the sky falling yet ? :lol:

  133. Jerkface April 8th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    http://imgur.com/r3MTm

    A-rod’s got a ton of ground balls on the left side of the infield and almost none on the right side… seems like shifting on A-rod is the right choice. Did you look at the chart?

  134. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards April 8th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    what do you guys over here at Lohud think bout the yankees roster construction?

    you feeling the samey-ness of the roster.
    the old age, the slowness?

    i for one cannot wait for the Mason, Dante, Sanchez era, if they are still yankees by then.

    The bench is OLD and limited.
    I feel this is the yanks weakspot.
    With girardi’s DH rest stop and his fascination with getting guys days off, this bench is going to be a negative going forward.
    Jones, Raul and Stwart are severely limited and do not play into what Joe wants to do.
    A Romine, Nunez, Dickerson, Jones wouldnt be bad.

  135. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Luis, Dellin’s CB is nasty all night. :)

    Yes, very good hitting FB, and out in front on CUs…

  136. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    What worries me is that they seem unable to adjust. If the guy throws a good CU, sit for a damned CU and make him pay.

  137. versonine April 8th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Vineyard Yankee!!!

  138. comet April 8th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    What the Rays have done with defence will soon be copied by most, if not all teams, providing it works consistently. Assuming that the Ray’s shift defence does work ,that is going to change the way the games are played. No-one can hit a HR even half the time. Which means that hitters are going to have to use the whole field, which will cut down on the number of HR. OBP will become even more important. The Yankees saying they hit the ball well is meaningless as Madden obviously out thought them.

    This is the difference between Madden and Girardi. Girardi would never have either the guts, or inclination to try something that seems radical. Kudos to Madden for doing so. I think he might change the way baseball is played.

  139. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    His FB is very good as well….95, sitting 93-94 with ease.

  140. comet April 8th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Hey Luis. Are home today?

  141. DaveD April 8th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    “i for one cannot wait for the Mason, Dante, Sanchez era, if they are still yankees by then.”

    Same… this is a tough team to watch. At least if Montero was there, they’d have something to look forward to and he’d give the team/offense a spark.

    Just not fun watching the ghosts of A-Rod/Jeter, Tex, Martin, Gardner, Granderson, Ibanez, etc.

    They need some new blood on the roster – it’s the same collection of guys that have been here forever and they are not getting the job done…

  142. Wang IS Taiwan April 8th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Rich — I don’t. If I have any stock in food companies, it would be Doritos.

    Tar — isn’t that what did the Sux in? Then I’m all for it in Boston.

    Hey, I’d love to blame Girardi for every game they’ve lost over the years, but he’s only responsible for some them — too many of them.

  143. Wang IS Taiwan April 8th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    This is the difference between Madden and Girardi. Girardi would never have either the guts, or inclination to try something that seems radical. Kudos to Madden for doing so. I think he might change the way baseball is played.

    Comet,

    I agree with you, and for those who don’t hit all over the field, there’s gonna be trouble.

  144. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Luis, FB was good at times but not his best. Velo was decent, easy ; some movement but not there yet. Power will come as he gets stronger. He’ll top 98, 99 by mid summer.

  145. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Hi Comet,

    Yes i am back home. Today was the first game that i was able to see a game on a big screen!. About your post, i hate Maddon but i have to say that those defensive shifts worked pretty well. With more and more information available, those shifts are going to be more and more common. Especially if the batters are not able to adjust to them. You make a very good observation about the OBP stat becoming more and more important. I always preferred a good situational hitter over a true power hitter. I hope the Yankees get the message.

  146. Yanks78 April 8th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    “I agree with you, and for those who don’t hit all over the field, there’s gonna be trouble.”

    So basically, except a couple of our hitters, the rest are going to be in trouble

  147. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    YF,

    The video just froze. i am going to reset it and see if i can actually finish the game. Does this freezing happens a lot?

  148. Bronx Jeers April 8th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    If Buck has his guys shift tomorrow night, I think I might vomit.

    At least for this series, Maddon and Girardi seemed to be managing entirely different games. Or possibly the same game but from different centuries.

  149. Jerkface April 8th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    So basically, except a couple of our hitters, the rest are going to be in trouble

    Even players who spray LINE DRIVES all over the field can be susceptible to shifts if the majority of their ground balls go to a certain side.

  150. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    “I Collect,” I would have liked to get younger and more situational. Jesus would have helped enormously. Off season refrain. However, with what we have we just have to have a better approach at the plate, not swing from our heels, and hopefully improve our hitting vs. RHP. Alex looks pretty good. Teix and Swish have to hit better vs. RHP. Jones is decent off the bench. I would prefer no Raul or Stewart. Nunez adds some bat speed and speed on the base paths, but his D has to be better. Cano and Grandy are in their prime. Would I like Mason, Sanchez and Bichette in the mix soon, heck yes! But we are just going to have to wait. At least the farm is stacked.

  151. Bo knows April 8th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201…..nt-2210639

    ——————————————
    That shoutout was so quiet, I missed it.

    Aha, that’s why – I was expecting a Trish chortle or at least a Happy Dance

    She’s normally dependable for that.

  152. luis April 8th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Yanks78 April 8th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    “I agree with you, and for those who don’t hit all over the field, there’s gonna be trouble.”

    So basically, except a couple of our hitters, the rest are going to be in trouble

    ============================

    If they keep swinging for the fences…..You bet.

  153. Nick in SF April 8th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Buck will be shifting around in the dugout as he watches Yankees trot into home plate.

  154. Jerkface April 8th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Buck will be shifting around in the dugout as he watches Yankees trot into home plate.

    The orioles should be a welcome Tonic for this team, a shot in the arm.

  155. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Luis, are you rolling again?

  156. Vineyard Yankee April 8th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    versonine April 8th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    How goes it ? Do you have a helmet ? :lol:

  157. versonine April 8th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Good. Except for the Yanks starting out 0-3. Is WCYF around?

  158. luis April 8th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Yes, but still it freezes every 10 or so seconds

  159. GreenBeret7 April 8th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Josh Norris ? @jnorris427
    Charleston pitching this weekend: 27 innings pitched, 1 R, 6 H, 8 BB, 28 SO #Yankees

  160. Vineyard Yankee April 8th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    versonine April 8th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Good. Except for the Yanks starting out 0-3. Is WCYF around?

    =========

    Glad to hear it. To the best of my knowledge he is still out of the country on a job. Been awhile since I talked to him.

  161. yankeefeminista April 8th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Luis, my picture has been fine so far. Might be your internet speed. How has mlb been?

    GB, lol, I’d love to see every Campos and Mitchell start this season.

  162. igotid88 April 8th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Irreverent Discourse says:

    April 8, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    I called it earlier. The Yanks wouldn’t score any runs after scoring 12 the first 2 games

    Didn’t you actually say they “wouldn’t score any runs for hughes” which was… odd at the time considering he led the league in run support last year?
    ————————

    Well he was starting today

  163. m April 8th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    I feel bad fir Melancon. Aceves not so much. He’s said some bad blood kind of stuff. But Melancon didn’t ask to be traded to the Sox.

    I like the blown saves, but as an ex-Yankee farmhand new to the team he’s being put in tough situations.

    I know he had some success in Houston, but so far he’s batting zero in Boston. Might just have a Carl Crawford start to the season where everything is compounded.

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