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As expected, Rodriguez at DH

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 09, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez DH
Mark Teixeira 1B
Curtis Granderson CF
Andruw Jones LF
Russell Martin C
Eduardo Nunez 3B

RHP Ivan Nova

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285 Responses to “As expected, Rodriguez at DH”

  1. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    4th game

    4th lineup

    No like.

  2. mick April 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    straight platoon with gardner….not liking.

  3. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I guess it’s actually the same lineup as Saturday…still bah.

  4. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Hey Chad – make sure you try the bacon on a stick while you’re there.

  5. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    i like the line-up. why would anybody want to complain after just 3
    games played???

  6. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher April 9th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    A groundball pitcher on the mound with Nunez playing third = 0 & 4.

  7. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    i like the line-up. why would anybody want to complain after just 3
    games played???
    —————-

    My complaint was just that it’s a different lineup every day – that doesn’t generally work out so well for your team.

  8. versonine April 9th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Got Nunie in there again, this time he can butcher balls at third.

  9. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    chip-normally i would agree with you, but i think in this case both Jeter and ARod need the DH days so they can remain healthy all season.
    nunez is a big part of this team and he can’t produce if he sits on the bench next to C. Stewart.

    if this were late may, early june and the players being asked to sit are HOT, then i might feel inclined to complain.
    right now i don’t see the reason to get upset about the line-up and having nunez at 3rd.
    what is Joe supposed to do? release him because he made an error over the weekend at SS?

  10. 11 CF April 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Funny how the second hottest hitter from last year’s ALDS has already played himself into a platoon.

  11. Against All Odds April 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Francesa is not going to like Nunie in again :)

  12. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    GB-

    I’m waiting for the 3D version of The Sinking of the Red Sox!

    If you’re a right-handed pitcher and have a good CU, isn’t that the pitch that Tex, Swisher, and to a lesser extent Granderson have trouble with? How do you hit that pitch the other way.

  13. Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    “I’m going to go one of those Juice Press stores and demand they make me a juice using only their left hand.”

    You don’t even have to go to one, they deliver. Although not always in the clutch.

  14. m April 9th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Sounds like Granderson would have rested if they weren’t desperate for a win. If his calf is tender, he should be rested regardless.

    Oh wells. Let’s a get a win anyway we can. Hopefully Nova keeps the ball down. And hopefully Nunez brought a right side cleat!

  15. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Chip-

    That’s the lineup vs a lefty. No Ibanez in the field-one must be happy about that!!

  16. hardwired7 April 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    I’m running out of old, non-functioning remotes to destroy after every Nunez error.

  17. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    That’s fair enough – and I get it that against a LHP they’re not going to want Ibanez in there.

    Problem becomes if you’re using one of Alex/Derek at DH every time there’s a LHP on the mound then you’re hurting yourself defensively in two spots – where ever Nunez plays and in LF where Jones is replacing Gardner.

    If this was always the plan, for Jeter or Alex to DH against LHP then they shouldn’t have kept Andruw and instead gotten a RHB who can hit and play the field to platoon with Gardner

  18. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    regarding Nunez, who else including myself just knew as soon as the ball was hit in
    his direction at SS, there was going to be an error? i did. you could see his body was moving very fast and rushing the play. doomed from the start.
    he will improve over the course of the year.

  19. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Hey Chad – make sure you try the bacon on a stick while you’re there.

    ——————————

    What’s this about??

  20. Abomb82 April 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Am I the only one not excited by ANY of these lineup configurations?

    I want to see Cano hitting next to Montero, Bichette, M-Williams, and Gary Sanchez

    I’m sick of seeing these same guys – Ibanez, Granderson, ARod, Martin, Swisher, Tex, etc. in the lineup every day

  21. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Chip-

    That’s the lineup vs a lefty. No Ibanez in the field-one must be happy about that!!
    ————–

    Yeah I’m fine with that, but like I said, if your plan is to not use Jones as the RH DH then what the heck is he doing here? They would have been better off either getting a full time LF or keeping someone like Maxwell who can hit and play in the field

  22. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    That’s fair enough – and I get it that against a LHP they’re not going to want Ibanez in there.

    Problem becomes if you’re using one of Alex/Derek at DH every time there’s a LHP on the mound then you’re hurting yourself defensively in two spots – where ever Nunez plays and in LF where Jones is replacing Gardner.

    If this was always the plan, for Jeter or Alex to DH against LHP then they shouldn’t have kept Andruw and instead gotten a RHB who can hit and play the field to platoon with Gardner

    ******************************************************************
    From what I know, Jeter and ARod are not “always going to get the DH spot” vs. a lefty.
    I think Joe has decided to practice this early on to give them both a mini-rest and also get Nunez some at bats.
    There will surely be games where Jeter and ARod are in the field vs. a lefty and maybe Jones will DH or maybe even Ibanez.

  23. versonine April 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    I can spare some hardwired. I stock up on them, for they get broken after every time a Patriots player doesnt get called for a holding penalty in which they rape the opposing player.

  24. Erin April 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    ?I’m going to go one of those Juice Press stores and demand they make me a juice using only their left hand.?

    You don?t even have to go to one, they deliver. Although not always in the clutch.

    ****************

    :lol:

  25. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    I’m sure as the season rolls on the line-up will have a little more consistency. I don’t think we’ll see Girardi’s ’08 campaign repeated though that was the reason GTLU was born and will therefore only be remembered fondly…

    #MorningCrewBlues

  26. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    GB-

    I’m waiting for the 3D version of The Sinking of the Red Sox!

    If you’re a right-handed pitcher and have a good CU, isn’t that the pitch that Tex, Swisher, and to a lesser extent Granderson have trouble with? How do you hit that pitch the other way.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I think the change-ups give all power hitters trouble unless they leave it up. with those three, once they get on a roll, they hit anybody and anything. after 3 games, though, I’m not the least bit concerned with any of the hitters or pitchers. Or, Cashman/Girardi.

  27. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    “I want to see Cano hitting next to Montero, Bichette, M-Williams, and Gary Sanchez”

    You want Robbie demoted to single-A?

  28. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Nunez .913 Fld% @ SS, .919 @ 3rd 2011

  29. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Hey Chad – make sure you try the bacon on a stick while you’re there.

    ——————————

    What’s this about??
    ——————

    One of Camden Yards’ new concessions is a thick slice of bacon on a stick – essentially a bacon lollypop.

  30. Erin April 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    AndrewMarchand Yankees don’t seemed panicked. A-Rod, Andruw, Cano laughing up a storm over something.

  31. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    From what I know, Jeter and ARod are not “always going to get the DH spot” vs. a lefty.
    I think Joe has decided to practice this early on to give them both a mini-rest and also get Nunez some at bats.
    There will surely be games where Jeter and ARod are in the field vs. a lefty and maybe Jones will DH or maybe even Ibanez.
    ***********

    It’s my sincere hope you’re correct. If not then I think the Yankees need to dramatically improve the bench to match what they’re doing.

  32. DONNYBROOK April 9th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Maxwell on the Astros. From the Penthouse to the Outhouse. At least he’s in The Bigs.

  33. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Hey Chad – make sure you try the bacon on a stick while you’re there.

    ——————————

    What’s this about??
    ——————

    One of Camden Yards’ new concessions is a thick slice of bacon on a stick – essentially a bacon lollypop.
    —————————————-

    I didn’t think anything could top your description until I looked it up and it appears these things are served via-beer bottles.

    …And now I need to go to Camden Yards.

  34. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    chip-normally i would agree with you, but i think in this case both Jeter and ARod need the DH days so they can remain healthy all season.
    nunez is a big part of this team and he can’t produce if he sits on the bench next to C. Stewart.

    if this were late may, early june and the players being asked to sit are HOT, then i might feel inclined to complain.
    right now i don’t see the reason to get upset about the line-up and having nunez at 3rd.
    what is Joe supposed to do? release him because he made an error over the weekend at SS?

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    Chavez 3B > Nunez 3B

    No one is saying release Nunez, but if he still has options and keeps making errors on routine plays, especially his starts, he should be sent back to AAA or traded and replaced by Ramiro Pena. If you’re a backup 2B/3B/SS who can’t make routine plays in your starts/when you play, you have no business being on an MLB team, especially the Yankees.

    3B is not Nunez’s natural position which is SS where he made an error on a routine play which paved the way for two unearned runs Saturday, so it is not unreasonable to think he could make another error at a position he’s worse at.

    ‘Know one reason why Girardi is an absolute moron so far this year? He has sat two multiple Gold Glovers. He starts Ibanez in RF over 10X Gold Glover Jones and Nunez at 3B over Gold Glover Chavez (I don’t know how many GGs he’s won at 3B offhand but I’ll check right after this.)

  35. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Nunez .913 Fld% @ SS, .919 @ 3rd 2011

    *********************************************
    How many errors did Jeter make his 1st year in Pro Ball?
    There is room for improvement with Nunez.
    The guy said he worked hard in the winter, so let’s give the guy a chance.
    GEEZ!!

  36. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Eric Chavez has SIX Gold Gloves at 3B, yet Nunez whose natural position is SS not 3B is starting at 3B tonight.

    Purely idiotic.

    How ’bout Chavez gets into a game hmmm? Game 4 ya know.

  37. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Erin April 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    AndrewMarchand Yankees don’t seemed panicked. A-Rod, Andruw, Cano laughing up a storm over something.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    They need to start reading this board, then. There’s plenty of reasons to panic and plenty of ways to fix their problems.

  38. blake April 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    “of course , i practice hooking my cleveland pitch wedge too. that’s because sometimes i play a whole round with it.”

    No wonder they call you tin cup :)

    More Nunez in the infield…..Yay!

  39. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    From what I know, Jeter and ARod are not “always going to get the DH spot” vs. a lefty.
    I think Joe has decided to practice this early on to give them both a mini-rest and also get Nunez some at bats.
    There will surely be games where Jeter and ARod are in the field vs. a lefty and maybe Jones will DH or maybe even Ibanez.
    ***********

    It’s my sincere hope you’re correct. If not then I think the Yankees need to dramatically improve the bench to match what they’re doing.

    ************************************************************
    I agree. On April 9th there is no need to trade/demote/release Nunez because he made
    an error already.

  40. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Imagine if Joe inserted Chavez at 3rd tonight, versus a lefty, certain people on this board would complain loudly & ask why Nunez is not in at 3rd.
    LOL!!!!

  41. blake April 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    They should trade Gardner.

  42. luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Nunez is going to surprise more than one poster here. Just give him time.

  43. DONNYBROOK April 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Only 1 game, but Stewart looked weak yesterday. He couldn’t track foul pops off the bat, and dropped a couple pitches that probably woulda been called 3rd strikes had he held onto ‘em. Bad 2012 Yankee debut.

  44. Erin April 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    Imagine if Joe inserted Chavez at 3rd tonight, versus a lefty, certain people on this board would complain loudly & ask why Nunez is not in at 3rd.

    *****************

    Fact.

  45. lounge lizard April 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    On Feb 14, Joel Sherman reported that:

    “The Yankees’ job opening is mainly to be the DH against righty pitching. Against lefties the Yankees mainly envision putting Andruw Jones in the outfield, using Eduardo Nunez at either short or third, and DHing Derek Jeter or Alex Rodriguez.”

    Elsewhere in the article, Sherman indicated that his source was “a Yankee executive.”

    It’s the organization’s plan, not Girardi’s.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1rZk3F3dj

  46. m April 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    I disagree. No one question why Chavez is playing 3B over Nunez.

    I hope he gets over his yips because his other tools are rounding out nicely.

  47. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    blake April 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    They should trade Gardner.
    ——————-

    Agreed.

    You know my position on it – as soon as Mike Morse is healthy I would approach the Nats about it. They have LaRoche at 1b now and Rendon coming down the pipe plus Harper and Werth in the corner OF spots – so there’s no natural position for Morse. Gardner would be a natural fit for them in CF and Morse could come over here and play LF.

  48. austinmac April 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Despite an ugly error, I still think Nunez will be a help this year. He can hit and he can run. I agree, give him a chance this year.

    For all the Gardner supporters for his defense, I assume you support Martin for his defense. Gardner provides even less stick than Martin. I have watched Gardner in every televised game this year since the start of camp. I sure can’t remember him driving a ball yet. Maybe his defense makes up for his hitting, but if a good defensive left fielder is that valuable, a catcher’s defense is far more important.

  49. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    DONNYBROOK April 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    Only 1 game, but Stewart looked weak yesterday. He couldn’t track foul pops off the bat, and dropped a couple pitches that probably woulda been called 3rd strikes had he held onto ‘em. Bad 2012 Yankee debut.

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    jesus. You complain if a yankee pitcher threw a perfect game and struck out and calling him a choker for not striking out the 27th hitter.

  50. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    ************************************************************
    I agree. On April 9th there is no need to trade/demote/release Nunez because he made
    an error already.
    —————————————

    Oh my problem’s not with Nunez. It’s with Jones in the field.

  51. austinmac April 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Duh,

    A left handed pitcher is going for the O’s. I don’t want to see Chavez at the plate. Good call by Girardi not to use him.

    In case it is a mystery, the team is quite old. The hope is rest will help down the stretch. These guys can’t be treated like they are 28 when they are 38.

  52. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Nunez .913 Fld% @ SS, .919 @ 3rd 2011

    *********************************************
    How many errors did Jeter make his 1st year in Pro Ball?
    There is room for improvement with Nunez.
    The guy said he worked hard in the winter, so let’s give the guy a chance.
    GEEZ!!

    ———————————-

    He was given a chance as early as Game 2 and he cost the Yanks two runs with his defense. I’m not saying release, trade, or even demote him, but if he can’t make routine plays in what little playing time he gets, he should play for the AAA Yankees or some other MLB team, not the big-league Yankees.

  53. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Jones in LF>Damon

    HAHAHA!!!

  54. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    WTP-

    Jeter Fld% .962, .969, .975, .986 first 4 years in majors at SS.

    Just stating the data. I like Nunez and hope he improves because his bat and speed can be major pluses.

  55. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    ***You’d*** complain if a yankee pitcher threw a perfect game and struck out ***26*** and ***call***

  56. Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    This is getting silly. Gardner a guy who can put up some tough at bats, could steal 50+ bases and actually generate some havok on the basepaths is sitting again. I know it’s a lefty, but that is two games already. He also has proven how good he is defensively out there. So less defense, more home run happy power, for a sinker ball pitcher tonight and Nunez at 3B. Sounds really really good. What is the point of DHing Rodriguez tonight? DH him against a righty, play Chavez at 3B. Let Jones DH tonight and Gardner in left. I am truly amazed the micro managing that is going on already this season. If Arod is such a concern as well sit him a game completely then.

  57. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    ***You’d*** complain if a yankee pitcher threw a perfect game and struck out ***26*** and ***call***
    —————————-

    and you would complain if the Yankees traded a back up middle infielder from Trenton for Felix Hernandez because you think that the back up middle infielder could be a combination of Alex and Ozzie Smith

  58. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    WTP-

    Jeter Fld% .962, .969, .975, .986 first 4 years in majors at SS.

    Just stating the data. I like Nunez and hope he improves because his bat and speed can be major pluses.

    **********************************************************************
    I have faith in Nunez. If he has made 15 errors before June 1, then we have a problem.
    We all know Nunez is better than Pena, better than Bernier, so Nunez is the man for now.

    Chavez will get to start a game at 3rd, but not against a lefty starter. There is no reason for that with Nunez on the team.

  59. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    “The Yankees’ job opening is mainly to be the DH against righty pitching. Against lefties the Yankees mainly envision putting Andruw Jones in the outfield, using Eduardo Nunez at either short or third, and DHing Derek Jeter or Alex Rodriguez.”

    ————————————-

    I don’t like this plan either..

    “I have watched Gardner in every televised game this year since the start of camp. I sure can’t remember him driving a ball yet. ”

    ————————————-

    I haven’t watched every game televised but I’ve seen him drive the ball so I’d have to think you’ve missed a few ABs.

  60. 11 CF April 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Phranchise – agreed on all points.

    Gardner won’t ever see a Gold Glove if Girardi doesn’t play him. When he did play consistently in 2010 he was top 5 in All Star voting.

  61. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    This is getting silly. Gardner a guy who can put up some tough at bats, could steal 50+ bases and actually generate some havok on the basepaths is sitting again. I know it’s a lefty, but that is two games already. He also has proven how good he is defensively out there. So less defense, more home run happy power, for a sinker ball pitcher tonight and Nunez at 3B. Sounds really really good. What is the point of DHing Rodriguez tonight? DH him against a righty, play Chavez at 3B. Let Jones DH tonight and Gardner in left. I am truly amazed the micro managing that is going on already this season. If Arod is such a concern as well sit him a game completely then.
    —————————-

    They’re not playing Chavez at 3b against a LHP.

  62. Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    I think Nunez will get better defensively, I love his offense and speed. But the play the other day cost them big. So you want Nova off on a good start this year. Nova throws sinkers, hopefully ground balls. Someone who is shakey out there you might damage his confidence more if he messes up and you run the risk of shaking up Nova in a start too.

  63. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    He was given a chance as early as Game 2 and he cost the Yanks two runs with his defense. I’m not saying release, trade, or even demote him, but if he can’t make routine plays in what little playing time he gets, he should play for the AAA Yankees or some other MLB team, not the big-league Yankees.

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    Nunez wasn’t the one that walked 2 batters and a hit in the inning or the home runs later on.

  64. blake April 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Chip

    I only feel that way because they are doing this platoon thing…..which decreases both his value to the team and his trade value…..id prefer then just let him play every day really…..at least now.

  65. luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    austinmac April 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    Despite an ugly error, I still think Nunez will be a help this year. He can hit and he can run. I agree, give him a chance this year.

    For all the Gardner supporters for his defense, I assume you support Martin for his defense. Gardner provides even less stick than Martin. I have watched Gardner in every televised game this year since the start of camp. I sure can’t remember him driving a ball yet. Maybe his defense makes up for his hitting, but if a good defensive left fielder is that valuable, a catcher’s defense is far more important.

    ============================

    I think Gardner is a good option as long as he remains a cheap one. Once he starts to get expensive, if he doesn´t start to produce ofensively he becomes a liability. On the catcher front, i understand the value of a defensive catcher, but it hasn´t been the yankees mantra. They have had an ofensive catcher for most of their entire history ( Dickey,Berra,Howard, Munson and more recently Posada), i don´t understand the change of approach. I liked Martin as a stop gap, but not as a long term fix.

  66. LGY April 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    but if a good defensive left fielder is that valuable, a catcher’s defense is far more important.

    ——–

    Based on what?

  67. DONNYBROOK April 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Gardner should be hitting leadoff, and just getting on base any way possible. “Driving” the ball is Not what he should be attempting to do offensively. If he would simply Butcher Boy the ball, his OBP would be incredible. Batting leadoff would give him the opportunity to showcase his talents. I would refrain from judging Gardner until Girardi wakes up and gets him outta that 9 Hole.

  68. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    For all the Gardner supporters for his defense, I assume you support Martin for his defense. Gardner provides even less stick than Martin. I have watched Gardner in every televised game this year since the start of camp. I sure can’t remember him driving a ball yet. Maybe his defense makes up for his hitting, but if a good defensive left fielder is that valuable, a catcher’s defense is far more important.

    Gardner gets on base (more than Martin) and plays far superior defense to anyone on the Yankees. Absent better options Martin should be the catcher. This is a non-starter in terms of a debate about Gardner.

  69. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Chip-

    Like Morse as a corner OF. Was trying to figure out a trade back when Burnett was a Yankee that would send him to the Nats. I think Morse is ready any day.

    However the nats are probably eager to try and dump Werth, who I believe is hitless so far.

  70. Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Chip, I understand that which is why you wait to DH Arod for a righty or do it yesterday with Hellickson. Not only is Gardner not playing, but what is the point of having Chavez if he never plays either. He’s a gold glove type of defender who should be your first option if Arod sits at 3B, not Nunez.

  71. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I like Gardner – not as much as some people, but I do like him.

    Though from August of last year all through the playoffs and spring training he has made Juan Pierre look like a legitimate threat offensively.

    He’s 28 – I don’t think he’s going to ever be better than what he is now and his best skill (speed) is only going to deteriorate.

  72. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Gardner went yard 3 times yesterday in BP, btw.

  73. tom tresh 15 April 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Erin April 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    AndrewMarchand Yankees don’t seemed panicked. A-Rod, Andruw, Cano laughing up a storm over something.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    They need to start reading this board, then. There’s plenty of reasons to panic and plenty of ways to fix their problems.

    ************************************************************************
    GB, Maybe they did read this board and that is why they are laughing

  74. 11 CF April 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    DONNYBROOK April 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Gardner should be hitting leadoff, and just getting on base any way possible. “Driving” the ball is Not what he should be attempting to do offensively. If he would simply Butcher Boy the ball, his OBP would be incredible. Batting leadoff would give him the opportunity to showcase his talents. I would refrain from judging Gardner until Girardi wakes up and gets him outta that 9 Hole.

    -

    Or in the lineup.

  75. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Though from August of last year all through the playoffs

    He hit .412 .444 .471 .915 in the playoffs, you sure you were watching?

  76. Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    “Zito will take the hill with a 2-0 lead.”

    Ominous.

  77. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Acually GB, I believe that Nunez’ error on Jennings , negated Kuroda getting a 1-2-3 inning in the 1st and cost Kuroda another 20 or so pitches and/or throws over to 1st base. I could be wrong.

  78. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Chip-

    Like Morse as a corner OF. Was trying to figure out a trade back when Burnett was a Yankee that would send him to the Nats. I think Morse is ready any day.

    However the nats are probably eager to try and dump Werth, who I believe is hitless so far.
    —————

    Nats are stuck with Werth and they know it – his contract is too massive right now to move plus he has a blanket NTC.

    I think the only chance they would have to move him is in a dump for dump with the Red Sox for Crawford – which doesn’t really benefit either team at all.

  79. tampayank April 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    9-4 Yanks

  80. 11 CF April 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I like Gardner – not as much as some people, but I do like him.

    Though from August of last year all through the playoffs and spring training he has made Juan Pierre look like a legitimate threat offensively.

    He’s 28 – I don’t think he’s going to ever be better than what he is now and his best skill (speed) is only going to deteriorate.


    He was the hottest hitter behind Posada in the ALDS.

  81. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Yanks pick up right handed relief pitcher Mike Dubee and DL Stoneburner.

  82. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Acually GB, I believe that Nunez’ error on Jennings , negated Kuroda getting a 1-2-3 inning in the 1st and cost Kuroda another 20 or so pitches and/or throws over to 1st base. I could be wrong.

    And runners on (a fast one like Jennings) is different than bases empty 1 out.

  83. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Gardner went yard 3 times yesterday in BP, btw.
    ——————–

    everyone goes yard in BP. Meaningless.

  84. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Though from August of last year all through the playoffs

    He hit .412 .444 .471 .915 in the playoffs, you sure you were watching?
    ————–

    My mistake – I was reading Swisher’s numbers for the playoffs. The August and Sept/Oct batting line for Gardner though was terrible.

  85. Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    I don’t think Arod, Jones or Cano have to be too worried about anything, they have made millions playing this game. It’s not like if you get fired, you can sit back and enjoy your money.

  86. luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    Yanks pick up right handed relief pitcher Mike Dubee and DL Stoneburner.

    ========================

    The poster or the pitcher? :)

  87. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Gardner hits for less average & power vs left handed pitchers, but his OBP manages to stay near the same as vs RHP and the OBP is well above average. He doesn’t make extra outs vs lefties. He just doesn’t do as much damage when he puts the ball in play. And he walks more.

  88. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    everyone goes yard in BP. Meaningless.

    Chris Stewart failed to reach the warning track in BP :(

    He was in Gardner’s group, along with Chavez.

  89. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    “Chavez will get to start a game at 3rd, but not against a lefty starter. There is no reason for that with Nunez on the team.”

    I guess this is the kind of stuff I don’t get… Is Nunez cutting up lefties??

    (spoiler alert: no.)

  90. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    who here was crying when Melancon was traded? the guy is already paying off
    dividends for the Yankees

    0-2
    36.00 ERA
    1 IP

  91. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    The August and Sept/Oct batting line for Gardner though was terrible.

    And yet he got on base at a .320 clip. The good thing about Gardner is that even when he slumps he gets on base. And he plays insane defense no matter what. Its why they should be playing him more not less.

  92. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Gardner went yard 3 times yesterday in BP, btw.
    ——————–

    everyone goes yard in BP. Meaningless.
    ********************************************************************8
    Wade Boggs was the HR champ during BP his entire career.
    Why he stuck to being a .300 hitter who walked a lot was a poor choice, LOL!!!

  93. blake April 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Gardner hits for less average & power vs left handed pitchers, but his OBP manages to stay near the same as vs RHP and the OBP is well above average. He doesn’t make extra outs vs lefties. He just doesn’t do as much damage when he puts the ball in play. And he walks more.”

    And he plays defense….which saves runs no matter who is pitching.

  94. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    tom tresh 15 April 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Erin April 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    AndrewMarchand Yankees don’t seemed panicked. A-Rod, Andruw, Cano laughing up a storm over something.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    They need to start reading this board, then. There’s plenty of reasons to panic and plenty of ways to fix their problems.

    ************************************************************************
    GB, Maybe they did read this board and that is why they are laughing

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    A distict probability, Tommy T. if they did, they won’t be in shape to play tonight.

    A question earlier about Teixeira hitting strictly from the right side. Do you remember whether Tom Tresh ever did that, because I can’t remember? I know Mantle did against knuckleballers Wilhelm, Eddie Fisher and Bobby Tieffenhower.

  95. DONNYBROOK April 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Same goes for Ibanez creating the Triple with his gaff. Hughes was extended that inning as was Kuroda.

  96. Abomb82 April 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    I’d rather have Nunez or Gardner up in a big spot than Swisher, Tex, ARod, Martin, or Ibanez

  97. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    Yanks pick up right handed relief pitcher Mike Dubee and DL Stoneburner.

    ========================

    The poster or the pitcher?

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    sadly, it’s the pitcher.

  98. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    GB-

    Just checked on that 1st inning vs the Rays:

    Tampa Bay – Bottom of 1st

    Hiroki Kuroda pitching for New York

    D Jennings safe at first on error by shortstop E Nunez.
    C Pena struck out swinging, D Jennings stole second.
    E Longoria grounded out to third, D Jennings to third.
    M Joyce walked.
    B Zobrist walked, M Joyce to second.
    L Scott singled to center, D Jennings and M Joyce scored, B Zobrist to second.
    J Keppinger grounded into fielder’s choice to shortstop, L Scott out at second.

  99. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Would I trade Brett? Certainly. He’s a good fielder and an average to below average hitter with tremendous speed. But like I said, he’s 28 and not likely to see any improvement over his current performance.

    But the problem I have isn’t Gardner. The Yankees are a good enough offensive team that they should be able to carry a guy who doesn’t hit for power but brings solid defensive play.

    The problem is that if you’re not going to play Gardner against LHP then your alternative can’t be Andruw Jones in LF. He’s not a good enough defensive player to be out there – even just against LHP.

    If the plan is to platoon Gardner as well as Ibanez then you need to have a RH OF who is a legitimate OF. Someone who can actually run down a ball that’s not hit directly to him.

  100. DONNYBROOK April 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Twinks turning Abreu into a Stick. That takes some doing.

  101. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    The August and Sept/Oct batting line for Gardner though was terrible.

    And yet he got on base at a .320 clip. The good thing about Gardner is that even when he slumps he gets on base. And he plays insane defense no matter what. Its why they should be playing him more not less.
    ——————-

    but if you’re going to play the kind of game Brett plays then I think .320 is way too low for an OBP. It needs to be at least 20 points higher.

  102. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    austinmac April 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Duh,

    A left handed pitcher is going for the O’s. I don’t want to see Chavez at the plate. Good call by Girardi not to use him.

    In case it is a mystery, the team is quite old. The hope is rest will help down the stretch. These guys can’t be treated like they are 28 when they are 38.

    —————————————————————————–

    Bad call by Girardi not to use Chavez because he is a better defensive 3B than Nunez. Chavez is on this team, right? Is it good to have a veteran sit on the bench for four games? No. Once again Girardi does the right thing with who starts at DH(save the Jeter start) but the wrong one with who starts at the DH’s position.

    Nunez batting ninth means his greatest value in this game is his defense. I hope he doesn’t make an error, but if he does, he is unfit to be a Yankee bench player and should be sent down to AAA or traded. ‘Better he learns a lesson earlier than later. A backup infielder cannot keep making errors which cost runs!!!

    Enough with starting players based on what arm the starting pitcher pitches with and having a different lineup every game. Girardi is in full managing with computers and charts not his brain and eyes mode, and it’s already cost the Yanks three games as I blame him for the losses the most. That ridiculous IBB to Rodriguez to pitch to Pena. Starting Granderson vs. a guy who owns him (Shields.) Starting Nunez and Ibanez over veteran Gold Glovers Chavez and Jones. Leaving Rapada in too long. DHing Jeter after only one game. Every dumb move I just listed has directly contributed to the Yanks’ losing for Granderson left 4 men on base in his first two ABs vs. Shields.

    Girardi has already left SIXTEEN GOLD GLOVES on the bench through four games including tonight’s, unless he (doubtfully) scratches Nunez in favor of Chavez for 3B. It is time Girardi realizes defense is as important as offense, especially when your offense is mostly three-run homeruns so far (6 of their 11 runs from a pair of three-run homeruns.) Nunez and Ibanez starting has cost the Yanks three runs already.

    LOL @ people saying guys should be rested after spring training and 2-4 games into the regular season. Let’s imagine the worst and manage poorly from that.

  103. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    It needs to be at least 20 points higher.

    Of course, and it was… for the entire season.

  104. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
    GB-

    Just checked on that 1st inning vs the Rays:

    Tampa Bay – Bottom of 1st

    Hiroki Kuroda pitching for New York

    D Jennings safe at first on error by shortstop E Nunez.
    C Pena struck out swinging, D Jennings stole second.
    E Longoria grounded out to third, D Jennings to third.
    M Joyce walked.
    B Zobrist walked, M Joyce to second.
    L Scott singled to center, D Jennings and M Joyce scored, B Zobrist to second.
    J Keppinger grounded into fielder’s choice to shortstop, L Scott out at second.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    The error didn’t help, to be certain, but, can hardly blame Nunez for the hit and walks.

  105. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    The error didn’t help, to be certain, but, can hardly blame Nunez for the hit and walks.

    He put Kuroda in the tight spot, by putting a stealing threat on base by botching a routine out. He was a contributing factor.

  106. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    “If the plan is to platoon Gardner as well as Ibanez then you need to have a RH OF who is a legitimate OF. Someone who can actually run down a ball that’s not hit directly to him.”

    Yep.

    I know Cash is going to fool around with the roster over the course of the season so I’m not really worried but the way things stand now I don’t totally love our line-up construction.

    We’re not maximizing.

  107. luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Duh Innings,

    Past performance doesn´t warrant that they would play at the same level. I doubt Jones is close to his gold glove form. In the case of Nuñez, it makes sense to bat him ninth, not because of his lack of ofensive value, but because of the speed, making him basically a second leadoff batter. On top of that, he is got plenty of stick to warrant playing him.

  108. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Jones in LF>Damon

    HAHAHA!!!

    ————-

    Who has an MLB job right now? LOL @ you thinking Damon is still a good OF. Yeah, he’s so good, he can’t even get a fifth OF job. Oh wait, he still thinks he’s worth whatever he thinks and a team will pay him that to play (the field) every day.

  109. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    “If the plan is to platoon Gardner as well as Ibanez then you need to have a RH OF who is a legitimate OF. Someone who can actually run down a ball that’s not hit directly to him.”

    Yep.

    I know Cash is going to fool around with the roster over the course of the season so I’m not really worried but the way things stand now I don’t totally love our line-up construction.

    We’re not maximizing.
    ——————

    Agreed.

    Right now if the Yankees want to platoon Gardner and Ibanez I would put Nunez in LF and Jones at DH. The season is four games old – Alex and Derek don’t need DH days yet.

  110. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    GB-

    Had there not been an error, it was a 1-2-3 inning for Kuroda. He threw 13 more pitches to home and ? how many throws to first to hold the runner.

    It also put the Yankees in a hole in the bottom of the 1st two days in a row.

    Would Kuroda have pitched any better on the bottom of the 2nd? Who knows?

  111. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Giants have found their true ace of the staff. Zito is perfect through 2 innings. Even has a strikeout

  112. Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    If so many of these are so one dimensional as hitters, fielders, or whatever then there are too many issues. Otherwise if that isn’t the case, then Girardi is micro managing.

  113. m April 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    With or without errors, I expect Kuroda to pitch better next time.

  114. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    If so many of these are so one dimensional as hitters, fielders, or whatever then there are too many issues. Otherwise if that isn’t the case, then Girardi is micro managing.
    —————–

    Combination…the bench doesn’t fit what Girardi’s trying to do and Girardi is micromanaging.

  115. luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Trader,

    Sorry to cut in. Too many if´s and but´s. I agree it didn´t help Kuroda and probably contributed to the runs scored in that inning. But in fairness, How many pitchers overcome errors made by the defense?. What i am trying to say is that you are putting to much importance on a single error. JMHO

  116. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    He was given a chance as early as Game 2 and he cost the Yanks two runs with his defense. I’m not saying release, trade, or even demote him, but if he can’t make routine plays in what little playing time he gets, he should play for the AAA Yankees or some other MLB team, not the big-league Yankees.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Nunez wasn’t the one that walked 2 batters and a hit in the inning or the home runs later on.

    —————————————-

    No, he was just the one who paved the way for all that / those unearned runs.

  117. Abomb82 April 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Nunez has a live bat and is a good hitter – they can live with a couple of errors here and there.

  118. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Phranchise -

    On the other hand – Girardi was the same micromanager in 2009 when the Yankees won the title.

    He is what he is – a servant of the stats who is not one to let a game breathe. He tends to get worse (as in do more mixing and matching) when matched up against a like minded manager like Maddon or Ron Washington.

  119. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    GB-

    Had there not been an error, it was a 1-2-3 inning for Kuroda. He threw 13 more pitches to home and ? how many throws to first to hold the runner.

    It also put the Yankees in a hole in the bottom of the 1st two days in a row.

    Would Kuroda have pitched any better on the bottom of the 2nd? Who knows

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    sorry, but, that’s not much of a reason in the first inning. The error didn’t make him give up the homer and the other runs. Nunez made an error. Kuroda didn’t help much after getting the two outs. Plenty of pitchers manage to pitch around an error in the first inning without giving up 2 runs. It’s not like he had to get an extra 2 or 3 outs. either way, I expect to see better from both of them.

  120. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Luis-

    No problem. maybe having Nunez vs Jeter behind him the 2nd game of the season, and his first game as a NYY affected Kuroda’s Chi? :) Chi being the life energy flowing thru Kuroda’s body!

  121. Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Warning Track Power April 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Jones in LF>Damon

    HAHAHA!!!

    ————-

    Who has an MLB job right now? LOL @ you thinking Damon is still a good OF. Yeah, he’s so good, he can’t even get a fifth OF job. Oh wait, he still thinks he’s worth whatever he thinks and a team will pay him that to play (the field) every day.
    ********************************************************************
    You have me all wrong.
    I merely injected that into the conversation to get away from the Nunez talk.
    I know Jones is better.

  122. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    “Agreed.

    Right now if the Yankees want to platoon Gardner and Ibanez I would put Nunez in LF and Jones at DH. The season is four games old – Alex and Derek don’t need DH days yet.”

    ——————–

    I’m not even worried about it in the context of what Arod and Derek are doing on day 4 of the season.. but in the big picture, our pieces don’t all seem to have a good fit.

  123. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Duh Innings,

    Past performance doesn´t warrant that they would play at the same level. I doubt Jones is close to his gold glove form. In the case of Nuñez, it makes sense to bat him ninth, not because of his lack of ofensive value, but because of the speed, making him basically a second leadoff batter. On top of that, he is got plenty of stick to warrant playing him.

    ——————————-

    Jones is better than Ibanez defensively, period, end of story, case closed, don’t even try to argue against that. That’s my point. Of course Jones isn’t a Gold Glove outfielder anymore, I wrote he won a decade’s worth of Gold Gloves which means something and that something means he not Ibanez should get starts in RF when Swisher is rested or DHing.

    I know the speed factor in the ninth slot with Nunez, but sometimes batting ninth means you are the worst hitter in the lineup. Nunez is that or he’d be batting say seventh where speed is important, too, because you’re basically the leadoff hitter for the bottom of the order. Why not bat him eighth so he splits the two righthanded hitters? Martin is fast for a catcher and can swipe a base if needed.

  124. luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
    Luis-

    No problem. maybe having Nunez vs Jeter behind him the 2nd game of the season, and his first game as a NYY affected Kuroda’s Chi? Chi being the life energy flowing thru Kuroda’s body!

    =================================

    LMAO! :) Who knows? Maybe his Chi stayed home that night?

  125. rm April 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Nunez is getting a chance to be the future starting Shortstop. He has shown he can hit. He is being given the opportunity to show if he can field well enough. If he proves he cannot he will probably be traded just like the one who’s name cannot be mentioned and he will go on to become the next Hanley Ramirez for some other team.

  126. m April 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Looking at the pitching matchups for Boston-Jays. Bard going tomorrow. His record last season was 2-9 with a 3.33 ERA. How can a set-up guy have that kind of W-L record? Maybe that’s why they’re trying him out as a starter.

  127. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    I agree it’s too early to make assumptions on what lies ahead for the Yankees after only 3 games. They will be tested this month having games against the Angels, Red Sox, Tigers and Rangers.

  128. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    If Uncle Joe would put Swisher at 1B more consistently vs. LHP we’d probably have a better line-up construction on those days.

  129. luis April 9th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Duh Innings,

    Good post. I was not arguing Jones vs Ibañez. I was arguing Jones vs Gardner. On the first comparison you are spot on. In the case of the ninth slot, i wouldn´t like Martin and his all or nothing approach there. I rather see Nuñez get on base for the top of the order.

  130. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    “m April 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Looking at the pitching matchups for Boston-Jays. Bard going tomorrow. His record last season was 2-9 with a 3.33 ERA.”

    I honestly can’t remember the last time I was this excited to watch a Boston Red Sox game :lol:

  131. Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Chip, I agree, but Arod carried them thru much of that series. That covered up micromanaging.

    This team the way he is managing doesn’t seem very flexable then either. A lot of guys you are going to play based on lefty/righty, but won’t cross them over. A team of specialist hitters? They are more power and striking out which negates the ability to play any small ball. Sacrificing defense for power. Would we rather a Chavez then who isn’t going to play much this year or a Keppinger type that can play a few infield spots and OF and a decent bat? Nunez has the bat, but certainly not the glove. This team is short on the ability to get sac flys, put the ball in play, foul off pitches, hit for average, bunt, steals, just getting the ball in play. Yesterday was a prime example. Once Tex missed the homer by a few feet and got the double, my first thought was they won’t score. It’s become the norm. I guess Gardner to me is the one guy that can do a lot of the little things no one else can on this team and needs to be in there every day.

  132. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    “Good post. I was not arguing Jones vs Ibañez. I was arguing Jones vs Gardner. ”

    Part of the problem (IMO) with our outfield is it isn’t a situation of being Gardner vs. Jones vs. Ibanez but instead Gardner vs. Jones and Gardner vs. Ibanez.

  133. Abomb82 April 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    “Looking at the pitching matchups for Boston-Jays. Bard going tomorrow. His record last season was 2-9 with a 3.33 ERA. How can a set-up guy have that kind of W-L record? Maybe that’s why they’re trying him out as a starter.

    4 of his losses came in September (along with 3 of his 5 total blown saves) with a 10 ERA. He allowed 14 runs from April-August total, and allowed 13 runs in September alone.

    He also had 3 losses in April, 2 blown saves in May. He didn’t allow a run in June/July, allowed 4 in August, and had no blown saves in those 3 months.

    Very uneven season for him.

  134. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Yankee Trader April 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    GB-

    Had there not been an error, it was a 1-2-3 inning for Kuroda. He threw 13 more pitches to home and ? how many throws to first to hold the runner.

    It also put the Yankees in a hole in the bottom of the 1st two days in a row.

    Would Kuroda have pitched any better on the bottom of the 2nd? Who knows

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    sorry, but, that’s not much of a reason in the first inning. The error didn’t make him give up the homer and the other runs. Nunez made an error. Kuroda didn’t help much after getting the two outs. Plenty of pitchers manage to pitch around an error in the first inning without giving up 2 runs. It’s not like he had to get an extra 2 or 3 outs. either way, I expect to see better from both of them.

    ————————————-

    What part of “If Nunez doesn’t make the error it’s a 1-2-3 inning” do you not understand?

    If Kuroda had fallen apart in the inning the batter after the error, you might have a point. Fact is Kuroda rebounded from the error by getting the next two batters out but ultimately couldn’t render the error meaningless. When a guy makes an error and someone scores a run after the next two batters make outs, every baserunner, hit, run, whatever is because of that error cuz that batter who gets on base, gets a hit, scores, whatever shouldn’t be batting.

  135. Phranchise April 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Bard stunk in the minors as a starter whcih is why they pulled him and that was in the lower levels. I think it is hysterical after struggling some in the pen last year that they are trying him as a starter again. The rays should make farnsworth a starter too.

  136. m April 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Interesting. Thanks for that.

    Maybe something was going on in Bard’s personal life. Or in the clubhouse? Haha.

  137. luis April 9th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    “Good post. I was not arguing Jones vs Ibañez. I was arguing Jones vs Gardner. ”

    Part of the problem (IMO) with our outfield is it isn’t a situation of being Gardner vs. Jones vs. Ibanez but instead Gardner vs. Jones and Gardner vs. Ibanez.

    ===========================

    For me this shouldn´t be an issue. Gardner should play before those two. Better defense, speed and OBP. This platoon thing is again a poor alocation of resources.If you are going to platoon Gardner, trade him.

  138. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Talk about bad karma for the Red Sox AA Portland team. Their 2nd baseman’s name is Dent and tonight’s starting pitcher is Buckner.

  139. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Ozzie’s proclamation of Castro love was proposterous.

  140. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Here’s what irks me the most about Girardi:

    He is babying his veterans.

    He rests Jeter from the field after one game, Swisher after two games, A-Rod after three.

    LET THEM PLAY THE FIELD!!!

    STOP MAKING THEM THINK THEY COULD GET HURT OUT THERE!!!!!!

    He is also reinforcing the fear of serious injury they all must have. A-Rod is old and Jeter is older, neither are getting better, and both suffered major injuries last season. Swisher is in his walk year, so an injury knocking him out for a month or two could be devastating especially if he hits poorly after returning as he will not be re-signed by the Yankees or signed by some other team because of his defense. All three players need to DH, Swisher less than the other two, but they don’t need a manager DHing all three of them four games into the season. It smacks of “I’m scared one of you will get hurt in the field” and they don’t need that.

    No one can convince me all three players don’t have “I could get injured” in the backs of their minds when they see “DH” next to their names on the lineup card so early in the season.

  141. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards April 9th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    no gardy again?
    joe sucks

  142. luis April 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    Ozzie’s proclamation of Castro love was proposterous.

    =================================

    He is a moron. He is a Chavista, which is the same thing as to say that he is a Castro lover. His rebuttal of those comments are dishonest, he does loves Castro. Which i find paradoxical, because he certainly loves to live well.

  143. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Nunez’ value to this team is also preposterous.
    They did fine with Pena who could field.
    They brought in Stewart to BUC who could field.
    They let go of Montero, who supposedly couldn’t field.
    If Nunez got hurt, what would they do? Bring back Pena.
    End of world? No.
    Better defense? Yes.

  144. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    luis…i believe Ozzie is done.

  145. MoRings42 April 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Yeah I don’t understand why Gardner is not playing everyday either. He’s been doing this for a while though.

  146. luis April 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
    luis…i believe Ozzie is done.

    ============================
    I hope you are right. i have no love for those kind hipocritical persons.

  147. RayVT April 9th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Nunez made an error. It happens. I actually saw Ozzie Smith make errors too. Nunez has speed and a bat to get on base so he needs to play more. I also believe Nunez will play some OF too. Let’s not dump a hitter because he made an error & I’m sure Nunez’s glove will come around.

  148. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Joe G. is in “baby” mode from Day 1 this season and it’s a long season.
    Jeter or Arod will most likely pull a muscle at some time this season which has nothing to do with their amount of playing time.
    His mindset is one of extreme caution which makes him look timid like the IBB in the 1st inning with his Ace on the mound.

  149. 11 CF April 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    RayVT April 9th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Nunez has speed and a bat to get on base so he needs to play more.
    -

    Funny, Gardner has those too.

  150. RayVT April 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    11 CF April 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Gardner has trouble getting on base & he can’t play 2B, SS or 3B LOL! I have never been a Joe G fan, but we have to give him more than 3 games especially when one was lost in Mo’s hands.

  151. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    They can only be grooming Nunez for Jeters job but he will get traded long before that happens.
    The aging of Jeter and Arod cost us Montero.
    He’s a utility IF and they are never expected to hit.

  152. ADam April 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Time to beat up on some mediocre left handed pitching…

  153. 4time April 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Gardner has a bat?

  154. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Nunez has speed and a bat to get on base so he needs to play more.

    Gardner has trouble getting on base

    Gardner career OBP: .353
    Nunez career OBP: .314

    Gardner minor league OBP: .389
    Nunez minor league OBP: .318

    Does not compute

  155. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Gardner has a bat?

    Nunez has a bat?

    Nunez has a glove?

  156. Bret The Hitman April 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    I’d rather have Eduardo Nunez in the lineup 100/100 times over Gardner.

  157. tom tresh 15 April 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    GB, back to the question about Tommy T. batting right handed. Sorry for not answering sooner. I really can not remember. That has beeen probably 50 years ago. Sorry just can not remember certain situations.

  158. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Girardi is either managing like he has security or has no security at all.
    It’s hard to tell. Overmanaging shows insecurity but doing crazy things makes him look like he can do whatever he pleases without consequence.
    Billy Martin used to manage this way but he had George to answer to.
    Who does Joe answer to?

  159. luis April 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    I rather have them both on the lineup

  160. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    It is clear to see early into this season that Girardi cares more about offense than defense.

    The Yanks could pay dearly with this thinking come postseason time.

    If Nunez has a good year offensively but a bad one defensively and he takes more playing time away from Chavez than he should, that only weakens their 3B defense in the event A-Rod can’t play there or at all. Nunez is a bad 3B, Chavez is an old one rusty from inactivity. It is no given considering A-Rod’s recent history that he will be in the postseason. We can only pray he gets injured and returns before it, if he is to get injured again. Unlikely, but you never know. Dan Driessen was the starting 1B for the St.Louis Cardinals in the 1987 World Series – how’d that turn out for the Cards? If Jack Clark is in that series and Game 7, they win it.

    I mean I thought Nunez was on this team to back up Jeter and Cano and Chavez was re-signed to back up A-Rod and Teixiera. So Chavez is a backup 1B now? What’s the point in having him when Swisher could back up at 1B?

  161. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    “Nunez has a glove?”

    Yes, but perhaps it’s better suited for the OF….

  162. RayVT April 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    I agree. Especially versus a LHP. I’d actually prefer Nunez on basepath as well.

  163. Bret The Hitman April 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    blake April 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    They should trade Gardner.

    ********

    Well, is Gardner worth more as a CF, leadoff hitter in the NL or a platoon player with the Yankees?

    I think it’s a no-brainer.

  164. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Gardner is not in their future plans, not as a platoon OF.

  165. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Especially versus a LHP.

    Nunez doesn’t get on base vs them either.

  166. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Nunez is overrated.
    No utility IF is expected to hit.

  167. Bret The Hitman April 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Overrated? He’s practically a rookie.

  168. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    “The aging of Jeter and Arod cost us Montero.”

    I think you have it backwards. The aging of Jeter and A-Rod should have motivated them to trade Montero for a player that could play both SS and 3B, thereby perhaps extending their respective careers while offsetting any decline.

  169. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Overrated? He’s practically a rookie.

    Saying you’d want him in the lineup 100 times out of 100 over Gardner is overrating him… by 100.

  170. Bret The Hitman April 9th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    I’d rather have Eduardo Nunez in the lineup over Gardner 1000/1000.

  171. 4time April 9th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Nunez can wreck a game with 1 swing. Gardner needs to get the pitcher to throw 4 balls, then we have to watch him tepidly not get himself into scoring position.

    Nunez is aggressive at the plate and on the bases to go along with superior talent. His glove would also be less of a liability in left field.

  172. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    The aging of Jeter and A-Rod should have motivated them to trade Montero for a player that could play both SS and 3B
    ==============================
    Why? They have Nunez.

  173. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    I’d rather have Eduardo Nunez in the lineup over Gardner 1000/1000.
    ============
    That is not an option.

  174. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    “Why? They have Nunez.”

    I rest my case!!!

  175. RayVT April 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    It is hard to compare an OF vs an INF on defense. The Yankees need a BU infielder and it is Nunez. Chavez can’t play very often because he gets hurt when he does. He will play some, but Nunez playing well is much more important to the Yanks than Chavez playing well.

    The Yankees won the division last year with Nunez as utility guy. They will again.

    I’m not sure why Ibanez has to play any OF, so we could agree on that part. If they need a lefty in the OF then leave grandy, gardner & swish in there. Or add Nunez or Jones in there, but not Ibanez.

  176. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    why should they trade for a player that they already think they have in Nunez.?

  177. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    tom tresh 15 April 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    GB, back to the question about Tommy T. batting right handed. Sorry for not answering sooner. I really can not remember. That has beeen probably 50 years ago. Sorry just can not remember certain situations.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Damned old guys.

    I can’t remember, but, maybe it’s on Baseball-Reference. His career should have been so much better, but, he really took a beating when he played shortstop.

    not broken down that way. Kubek would do both, depending on what the pitcher through.

  178. 4 NYY April 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Nunez is NOT a huge part of this team, at least up to now. Maybe he will become said player, who knows?

    Gardner is in prime age years and must produce more at bat and steal more bases to keep his

    job past this year. IMO I hope he does. Wish he were good enough to lead off and have Jeter

    behind him, but he hasn’t shown enough to warrant it. IMO

  179. luis April 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Rich in NJ April 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
    “The aging of Jeter and Arod cost us Montero.”

    I think you have it backwards. The aging of Jeter and A-Rod should have motivated them to trade Montero for a player that could play both SS and 3B, thereby perhaps extending their respective careers while offsetting any decline.

    =================================

    Rich,

    You haven´t been watching the season. We can never have too much pitching. ;)

  180. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Nunez can wreck a game with 1 swing. Gardner needs to get the pitcher to throw 4 balls, then we have to watch him tepidly not get himself into scoring position.

    Nunez is aggressive at the plate and on the bases to go along with superior talent.

    Gardner had a .110 ISO. Nunez .120 ISO. Marginal more power. Nunez steals 27.5% of the time when he has an open base. Gardner at 25%. Gardner is more successful in his steals by 1%.

    Now factor in Gardner getting on base 40 points more…

  181. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    The Yankees won the division last year with Nunez as utility guy
    =====================
    they would have won it with pena.

  182. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Then factor in defense. And it isn’t even close.

  183. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    luis

    I think that memo keeps ending up in my spam folder. :( ;)

  184. pkyankfan69 April 9th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    I got on Francesa like a 1/2 hour ago to complain about Girardi leaving Rapada in to face Longoria on Saturday… Mike tried to take Joe’s side by saying that this early in the year the Yankees want to give guys the opportunity to show what they can do in situations like that…

    Earth to Mike… EVERYONE already knows Rapada gets smoked by righties.

  185. luis April 9th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    why should they trade for a player that they already think they have in Nunez.?

    ===========================

    What he means is that there was no need to trade you know who.

  186. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    “The Yankees need a BU infielder and it is Nunez.”

    This is a fact. The issue is whether or not it should remain one.

  187. luis April 9th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    later guys. see ya at game time i hope

  188. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    We can never have too much pitching.
    =========================
    luis

    they got more pitching because they don’t believe in Hughes or Nova. Kuroda is an unknown in the AL East. That’s 60% of your staff. Look at the RS and their rotation. If pitching doesn’t matter why did they go for pineda and andy?

  189. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    So Ozzie Guillen is at it again? LOL.

    ‘Time to start a betting pool on who gets fired first, him or Bobby V.

    I say Bobby V. possibly after this season.

    “RayVT April 9th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Nunez made an error. It happens. I actually saw Ozzie Smith make errors too. Nunez has speed and a bat to get on base so he needs to play more. I also believe Nunez will play some OF too. Let’s not dump a hitter because he made an error & I’m sure Nunez’s glove will come around.”

    Do not write the names Nunez and Ozzie Smith in the same sentence again.

    Nunez needs to play SS everyday in AAA, Ramiro Pena, a better defender than Nunez, needs to be the Yankees backup 2B/SS, and Chavez needs to be the backup 3B who shares backup 1B with Swisher so the two can share the position in case Teixiera is out with injury.

    Mick I hope Girardi has no security. As time rolls on, it looks more and more like he was along for the ride in 2009 than the field general. If the Yanks don’t at least reach the World Series this year, it will be one WS title in a half-decade under Girardi and I’d have to think Girardi is either fired or on the hot seat to start next year, especially if Mo retires after this season cuz a BIIIIG part of Girardi’s managerial game is Mo to close. Well, Mo may not close next year because he has a life to lead / a long life ahead of him where his calling far exceeds baseball.

  190. Patrick April 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    The Yankees need a back up infielder… does that backup infielder need to start 50% of the games this season?

  191. Yanks78 April 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    With the departure of Montero, Nunez more than ever needs to be able to be a young bat we need to infuse the old lineup with.

    Where else are the solutions coming from? And I mean real solutions, not waiting until 2016 for Dante Girardi and Sanchez to save the day.

    Honestly, their error of trading Montero is going to be magnified even more as time goes on.

  192. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Nunez is a potentially league average bat at SS. Not really anywhere else.

  193. Bret The Hitman April 9th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Apparently the Yankees have a different rating for Nunez and Gardner compared to Gardner fans.

  194. Bret The Hitman April 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Just as the Yankees have a different view of Jesus Montero compared to Montero fans.

    I wonder what stats the Yankees are cherrypicking.

    Hmmm

  195. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    “With the departure of Montero, Nunez more than ever needs to be able to be a young bat we need to infuse the old lineup with.”

    When has he ever shown the necessary upside?

    His mL splits are uninspiring: 268 .314 .381 .696

  196. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Mick I hope Girardi has no security.
    =====================
    Duh

    I think he has too much security.
    He was a driving force behind the Montero deal.
    He and Cash work well together.
    Yet, he is just the overcautious type.
    He left the Marlins job when he felt he had lack of control.
    If that happened here, he would leave again.
    He’d love the Cubs job.
    He’s a lot like Showalter.

  197. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    I wonder what stats the Yankees are cherrypicking.

    ISO? Because there aren’t many appreciable places where Nunez can claim superiority over Gardner

  198. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Nunez makes more outs on offense and creates fewer outs on defense. Pretty simple.

  199. mick April 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    All Nunez has is potential.
    The Yanks usually trade away potential for surer things. Things that they feel will help them win now.
    Gardner also fits into this category. They are down on him.
    They are only high on NUnez because they have no other option.
    They both will be traded.

  200. Against All Odds April 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Where else are the solutions coming from?

    ———————

    Trading some of their young pitching

  201. blake April 9th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Nunez has some tools….im just uncertain at this point if those tools add up to a good player or not.

    With this platoon they are downgrading the defense in LF and either SS or 3B every time a Lefty pitches for a negligible gain (if any) offensively

    Now I realize part of why they are doing it is to try and keep Alex and Jeter healthy ….and thats fine….but IMO it should be on more of an as needed basis than every time they face a LHP

  202. igotid88 April 9th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Also Nunez almost botched a pickoff attempt by going too far the base on tthe rundown. Only the bad baserunning by the Rays at 3rd base helped end the inning.

  203. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    “They both will be traded.”

    They are no more than throw-ins. They continue to lack young position players, with no easy way to get them, but that’s been obvious to some for a while.

  204. Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

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  205. mick April 9th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Nunez has some tools….im just uncertain at this point if those tools add up to a good player or not.
    ====================
    I wonder if the Yanks think he is their SS of the future?
    With their emphasis on defense, I tend to doubt it.
    His most value would prolly be a trade to a young, small market team.
    I’m sure they can find a utility IF.
    Right now the ages of Jeter and Arod is what’s driving his value.

  206. mick April 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Gardner and Nunez are throw-ins?
    Glad you’re not the GM.

  207. Betsy April 9th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Nunez is playing too much already. I have no idea why Joe thinks Jeter and Alex need half days this early in the season. It’s ridiculous.

  208. mick April 9th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    I may be wrong but some here seem to be confusing Nunez with Cano.

  209. igotid88 April 9th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    I didn’t like the way Maddon shifted against the Yankees. But I would have done the same thing if I was a manager. I sometimes wonder why managers don’t position defenders in certain areas sometimes.

  210. Patrick April 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Gardner is the best fielding corner outfielder in baseball. Steals a ton of bases, gets on base at a pretty good rate.. He is massively underrated

    Nunez is a terrible fielder and hasn’t really shown much with the bat. I guess there is a chance he turns into a decent hitter but in the minors and majors he’s been pretty terrible.

  211. mick April 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Nunez is playing too much already. I have no idea why Joe thinks Jeter and Alex need half days this early in the season. It’s ridiculous.
    ======================
    For the same reason he issued an IBB in the 1st inning of game 1.
    He’s either a control freak or a nervous nellie.
    In either case, it’s not good baseball.

  212. Duh Innings April 9th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    RayVT April 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    It is hard to compare an OF vs an INF on defense. The Yankees need a BU infielder and it is Nunez. Chavez can’t play very often because he gets hurt when he does. He will play some, but Nunez playing well is much more important to the Yanks than Chavez playing well.

    The Yankees won the division last year with Nunez as utility guy. They will again.

    I’m not sure why Ibanez has to play any OF, so we could agree on that part. If they need a lefty in the OF then leave grandy, gardner & swish in there. Or add Nunez or Jones in there, but not Ibanez.

    ————————————————–

    Then why have Chavez on this team? Chavez was signed to be A-Rod’s backup, primarily. Swisher can capably back up 1B, perhaps better than Chavez, and the Yanks don’t need or really have room to DH Chavez.

    The more the Yanks start Nunez at 3B, the less Chavez plays there and that can’t be good for Chavez or the Yanks.

    If you start Nunez at 3B, you shorten the bench by a fielding man and cut it down to two guys you could bring in as you’re not bringing in Stewart save if Martin got injured or Chavez to take over 1B or 3B. If you have Chavez pinch-hit but leave in Nunez, you have to use another bench player for play the position of the guy Chavez pinch-hit for. You’re using two players for one pinch-hit at-bat. Also you can’t have Chavez pinch-run. If Nunez starts at 3B, Chavez is on the bench, A-Rod is resting completely, and the Yanks don’t want A-Rod to pinch-run, the only guy who could pinch-run is whoever is on the bench besides him, Chavez, and Stewart.

    Start Chavez at 3B in games A-Rod rests or DHs and you can pinch-run or pinch-hit Nunez for him, or you can keep Chavez in the game and have Nunez pinch-run or pinch-hit for someone else. Of course you risk worse defense at 3B when you replace Chavez with Nunez, but that’s the risk you have to take if you’re trailing late.

  213. mick April 9th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Duh

    What we have here is a platoon of utility IF’s at 3B.
    Plain and simple. Unheard of. Built to fail.

  214. Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Gardner haters and lovers go here :arrow:

  215. raymagnetic April 9th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Noonie and Gardy are both mediocre at best. Half of one 6 dozen of the other.

    Are we really debating who’s less mediocre between the two? Lol

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