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Finally out of Tampa, but still looking for a win

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 09, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees flew out of Tampa last night, finally leaving town after nearly two months of workouts, exhibitions and finally three games that mattered. Those three games, of course, were three straight losses to open the regular season.

After last night’s shutout, there was no real sense of desperation in the clubhouse. The outside world might get worked up about an 0-3 start, but a veteran team like the Yankees seems to keep things in perspective.

Joe Girardi: “I think guys get frustrated when they line out a couple of times. We’ve all been through three-game losing streaks, but because it’s the beginning of the year, it seems to be magnified a bit. But this has a team been a team that over the years has been very resilient and I expect to see that again. We kept telling them, keep swinging the bats, keep swinging the bats. And we did, but it didn’t work out.”

Alex Rodriguez: “You just want to win a game, get this thing to 1-3 and get the train headed in the right direction. The guys are playing hard, they’re having good at-bats and, for the most part, hitting the ball hard. … You definitely have a sense of urgency. Guys are playing hard. It’s not like guys are not hustling. Offensively, we probably hit a dozen balls right on the nose that were caught. We’re hitting them right into the teeth of their secondary over there. Sometimes you’ve got to just tip your cap and move on.”

Mark Teixeira: “We have a lot of professionals in this clubhouse that have been through lots of ups and downs. Probably not going to be our last three-game losing streak of the year. We’re going to learn from it, try to get better. One thing we can’t do is start pressing, start swinging at pitches all over. We’re still drawing our walks, we’re battling out there, we just didn’t get it done.”

Curtis Granderson: “It’s three games. There’s a bunch left, a whole bunch left. This isn’t going to be the only three games that we play bad and not win. It’s not going to be the last time over the course of a season. The great thing about this game, we get a chance to go back out there tomorrow, and we get a chance to redo it all.”

Phil Hughes: “I don’t think anybody in here is going to (overreact). A lot of veteran guys on this team and we’ve been in situations like this before. We have a lot of baseball left to go. We’re disappointed, but at the same time, we’re not going to act like it’s the end of the world here.”

Nick Swisher: “As frustrating as it is, it’s way too early to get frustrated. It’s just kind of one hit there, one hit there, maybe it starts a rally. We’ve got to be pretty excited about the way we have been swinging the bats. I feel like we are swinging the bats well as a group. We just didn’t put any runs on the board today. They put it on us, so we’ll remember that.”

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134 Responses to “Finally out of Tampa, but still looking for a win”

  1. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher April 9th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    “We’re hitting them right into the teeth of their secondary over there.”

    Nice one Alex

  2. MTU April 9th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Will somebody please light a fire under these guy’s as*ses.

    There’s only 159 games left.

    Let’s get a move on.

    :)

  3. Erin April 9th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Happy Birthday D-Rob :)

  4. 98NYY April 9th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Rather be in Yankees position than Boston. They lost six in a row just last year and have September still fresh. Yanks have 98 start and a much better ending.

  5. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 8:42 am
    “Randy, how can your dad be younger than you? I assume you meant your “son”, Livan.”

    gb7-

    what’s livan up to latey?

    is he still pitching?

    remember the good old days 4-5 years ago when i drove everyone crazy saying he was a really good bad pitcher?

    i think he was my first big success of stress testing the blog.

    i will always remember him fondly. without the lessons i learned from livan, i couldn’t push people over the edge with my prognostications. the trick is picking something that appears absolutely ridiculous on the surface and having everyone tell you how stupid you are.

    then whammo, let em have it right between the eyes when the player comes through.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. I came close to tracking you down and beating you into fertilizer. I’ll give your your due, though. You were finally able to run Pete off from here. If he had any hair on his head, he would have pulled it out.

  6. MTU April 9th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    I hope Ivan shows ‘em some Novatude today.

    And the Yankees offense opens up a can of whoopa*s to use on the O’s.

    :)

  7. Bo knows April 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    After that whack on their collective pee pees yesterday, maybe they’ll play some baseball. We’ll see if they have some pride. Murderers’ row with 250 averages. Yeesh.

  8. Mike Ri April 9th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    We just gotta get that first win ! . . . We’ll be ok !

  9. MTU April 9th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Cano 2B
    A-Rod 3B
    Tex 1B
    Grandy CF
    Martin C
    Jones DH
    GGBG LF

  10. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    “. I came close to tracking you down and beating you into fertilizer”

    yes, i was staying away from windows and watching out for red sniper lasers.

    i spent as much time on golf fairways as possible because i knew you’d never been on one before :)

  11. blake April 9th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    “He had a straight forward 230 yard shot to the green.”

    Yea but 230 into a par 4 is kinda far and he’s not really a long hitter…..don’t know what club he went in with but had to be a long iron…..Bubba had 155 in and hooked it in there . It was a great tourney

  12. blake April 9th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    At least the Yanks should be well rested……

  13. MTU April 9th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Dog walk time.

    BIAW

  14. blake April 9th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    MTU,

    I don’t think Bubba is related to anybody in golf…..he does own the General Lee though and is by all accounts a really good dude.

  15. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 9:36 am
    “. I came close to tracking you down and beating you into fertilizer”

    yes, i was staying away from windows and watching out for red sniper lasers.

    i spent as much time on golf fairways as possible because i knew you’d never been on one before

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. now, that was just mean and cruel.

  16. Howard Cosell April 9th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Utterly amazing how futile these 25 million per year choke artists are. Texeira, Rodfriquez, Swisher, Jeter – Getting an early start this year on “not getting clutch hits, on not getting runners in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.

    What is the league’s hitting average against the better pitchers?
    What is the Yankees top hitters average against the better pitchers?

    I’d be willing to bet it is close and thus proving “really how overpaid these 25 million per year” infield of the Yankees really is. You can let Swisher go at the end of the year. But frankly compared to Baseball’s history most overpaid infield – he is actually paid ok. Good fielder, and clubhouse – too bad he utterly swallows big time when a big hit is needed.

    HC

  17. tomingeorgia April 9th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    blake,
    It was a marvelous tournament. The guests loved the BBQ last night, voted 6-4 in favor of the North Carolina western style over the SC mustard style. Ate everything I put out there and drank my beer until midnight. Everybody cleared out this morning, and I plan to hibernate for a week. A great 9 days of full house, 6:30 breakfasts and all. I’m beat, but the bank is happy.

  18. blake April 9th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Tom,

    Sounds like a good time man!

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock April 9th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    luis April 8th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
    Been watching the Betances outing on triple A. The kid has a nasty CB that he can throw for strikes or out of the zone at will. His FB looks very good, i wonder how is it going to look when hes is on.
    ///

    luis, glad you got that site to work for you. It was a good first start of the season for him, no question, especially getting ahead of the hitters like he did, and only the one BB. But it sure wasn’t vintage Betances. When he’s really on, he’s comically un-hittable. Most folks have no idea how good this kid is. It was a positive opening and God willing, he stays healthy. I’ll get to see him again at the end of the month in Allentown, if they stay on the schedule for him.

  20. versonine April 9th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Lets hope Nova doesnt stink it up this year. All his peripheral stats last year said he was lucky.

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock April 9th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Reading backwards, re Montero/Cano: I’ve been salivating for a couple of years looking ahead to that particular twinning. Just like that, it’s in the rear-view: a never was. Again, deeply disappointing trade….

  22. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    “.don’t know what club he went in with but had to be a long iron…”

    they said it was a three iron at the time. he was 235 out with a good lie in the second cut.

    he only hit it about 200 yards. that’s probably just the pressure of the moment.

    plus he probably was telling himself to just get the ball down there because he had such an advantage on paper. he probably didn’t go all out after it trying to play it safe.

    i think he had enough club though.

    on the double eagle:
    “The shot came from 253 yards out and Oosthuizen flushed a 4-iron that dropped on the front of the green, then traveled around 80 feet back and toward the right and straight into the hole.

    great finish to a masters though.

  23. BD (Boston Dave) April 9th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    “When he’s really on, he’s comically un-hittable. ”

    ——-

    A young Nolan Ryan? ;)

  24. blake April 9th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    The double eagle was way downhill though……that was an incredible shot…..
    .I love the masters…..there isn’t another sporting event quite like it.

  25. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    do we really need to hear Swisher’s opinion on what happened?

  26. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Amazing how a couple of losses draw out the slugs, idiots and trolls from under the rocks.

  27. versonine April 9th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Swisher is the biggest joke. I think it may be a crime that the Yanks allow him to wear their pinstripes.

  28. Against All Odds April 9th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 9th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Reading backwards, re Montero/Cano: I’ve been salivating for a couple of years looking ahead to that particular twinning. Just like that, it’s in the rear-view: a never was. Again, deeply disappointing trade….

    ———————–

    That would have been a sick pairing. Cano still needs a running mate. Unfortunately by the time Sanchez gets here Cano will already be into his 30s

  29. Crawdaddy April 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “That would have been a sick pairing. Cano still needs a running mate. Unfortunately by the time Sanchez gets here Cano will already be into his 30s”

    Sanchez’s running mate will be Dante Jr.

  30. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Anatomy of a 3 game opening series sweep

    First off let us agree that the sky is not falling and 3 games are not the end of the world. That said, there were some troubling things, as you would expect, in how and why the Yankees got swept out of Tampa.

    1. No one pitched well.
    The only pitcher who was effective was Hughes and he couldn’t get deep enough into the game. Kuroda looked like he was afraid to throw the ball in the zone. CC had no command. Mariano had no command and Logan and Repada were completely ineffective. I don’t expect CC or Mariano to have these kinds of problems all season – but the other items could be troubling signs of things to come.

    2. What situational hitting.
    The team scored runs but they made no adjustments to the defense that Maddon was playing against them. Sterling was right when he said he sounded like a broken record bemoaning how the Yankees couldn’t get the hits they needed with men on base and less than two outs. This team is going to hit homeruns but it takes more than that to win games.

    3. Bad defense
    It’s a cliche that when a new player goes in the ball finds him, but it’s a cliche for a reason. Nunez and Ibanez are not good defensive players and the ball found both of them in key spots that allowed Tampa to score runs.

    4. Over-managing for the sake of over-managing
    I don’t mind Girardi toying with the lineup to get Ibanez out against Price or even giving Martin a day game off after a night game. But if that’s what you’re going to do then your bench has to be better – you have to have a better defensive OF option than Raul Ibanez and a better BUC option than Chris Stewart.

    My bigger problem is the matchups with the pitching – I said it when he was doing it – you do not walk an awful hitter like Sean Rodriguez to pitch to Carlos Pena. The splits might tell you that Pena stinks against LHP but Rodriguez stinks against all pitching and isn’t as apt to luck into one and hit it a mile and a half.

    I forgot how annoying his over-managing can be sometimes.

    Anyway – like I said, I’m not particularly concerned by too much of what happened, but I will say this, going into a series against Buck he saw how the Yankees couldn’t adapt to the shift, I would bet my bottom dollar that the O’s will use it quite a bit.

  31. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Nothing that a three game vacation in Camden can’t cure – assuming we pitch and they don’t

  32. Against All Odds April 9th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Crawdaddy April 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “That would have been a sick pairing. Cano still needs a running mate. Unfortunately by the time Sanchez gets here Cano will already be into his 30s”

    Sanchez’s running mate will be Dante Jr.

    ————————–

    Dante has really turned some heads since he was drafted. Now he is still really young so anything can happen but so far so good.

  33. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Against All Odds April 9th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Crawdaddy April 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “That would have been a sick pairing. Cano still needs a running mate. Unfortunately by the time Sanchez gets here Cano will already be into his 30s”

    Sanchez’s running mate will be Dante Jr.

    ————————–

    Dante has really turned some heads since he was drafted. Now he is still really young so anything can happen but so far so good.
    ——————-

    I wish nothing but good things for the likes of Sanchez, Williams, Bichette, Santana, etc…but it’s far too early in their pro careers to start picturing any one of them (much less a combination of them) anchoring the next great Yankee teams. Right now they’re the stars of the Charleston Riverdogs.

  34. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Swisher is probably the 10th best RF in yankee history, and he has outproduced O’Neil for his tenure. Food for thought.

  35. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    In any case – things could be much worse:

    1. Ozzie Guillen could be our manager
    2. We could have just gotten completely demolished by Detroit the way Boston did.

  36. Crawdaddy April 9th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    No kidding Chip!

  37. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Making adjustments to the shift is EXACTLY what Maddon WANTS you to do. There is nothing I would want more than the powerful, greatest hitters in the league trying to slap the ball the other way “to beat a shift’ which…. won’t work anyway.

  38. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    ID – ‘Sup? Are you telling everyone here that you’d prefer Swisher in RF right now over O’Neill? I don’t think that is what you are saying, which means that, at least in this one case, stats don’t give the whole picture.

  39. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Swisher is probably the 10th best RF in yankee history, and he has outproduced O’Neil for his tenure. Food for thought.
    ———————-

    The second part of your statement is just untrue. With the exception of HRs O’Neill was as good or better on the stat sheet as Swisher in every area.

  40. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Making adjustments to the shift is EXACTLY what Maddon WANTS you to do. There is nothing I would want more than the powerful, greatest hitters in the league trying to slap the ball the other way “to beat a shift’ which…. won’t work anyway.
    ————–

    Ideal world you want your sluggers hitting the ball over the wall and thus beating the shift that way. But when all you need is a base hit and their giving you the entire left side of the infield – take it.

  41. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Hassey – Swisher is a better fielder and a better hitter so… yeah I would want him in RF over O’Neil.

  42. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    “The double eagle was way downhill though……that was an incredible shot…..
    .I love the masters…..there isn’t another sporting event quite like it.”

    blake-

    yes, it was down hill.

    a master’s playoff is just incredible sporting theatre.

  43. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Chip – Yes but “just going the other way” doesn’t work for everyone. If it did, shifts would never work! :)

    I don’t put a lot of credence in those quotes above too… trying to extract meaning out of a pile of “company lines” like that up there… suggesting they don’t ever try to go the other way to beat the shift is just ignorant.

    You points about the pitching, and the ball finding you were spot on :)

  44. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Hassey – Swisher is a better fielder and a better hitter so… yeah I would want him in RF over O’Neil.
    —————————-

    I completely disagree – he isn’t a better fielder and isn’t a better hitter either.

  45. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    ID – OK, everyone’s entitled to an opinion, but with Swish in RF, this is what we get in “high leverage” situations (did I use that term-of-art correctly?)

  46. Against All Odds April 9th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Against All Odds April 9th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Crawdaddy April 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “That would have been a sick pairing. Cano still needs a running mate. Unfortunately by the time Sanchez gets here Cano will already be into his 30s”

    Sanchez’s running mate will be Dante Jr.

    ————————–

    Dante has really turned some heads since he was drafted. Now he is still really young so anything can happen but so far so good.
    ——————-

    I wish nothing but good things for the likes of Sanchez, Williams, Bichette, Santana, etc…but it’s far too early in their pro careers to start picturing any one of them (much less a combination of them) anchoring the next great Yankee teams. Right now they’re the stars of the Charleston Riverdogs.

    —————-

    Can’t argue with that

  47. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    “Amazing how a couple of losses draw out the slugs, idiots and trolls from under the rocks.”

    gb7-

    what’s even more amazing how so many of the worship management/pollyannas just disappear unti the yankees win.

    the problem for them , as i see it, is they bash people who post displeasure with something about the team, and then when the yankees run into a bad spell where maybe some of those criticisms are on target, these authority worshippers disappear until the yankees get winning again which they almost always do.

    gb7, you tend towards likeing cashmand and girardi and have littel tolerance for complaining about he yankees, but you show up when things go wrong.

    that’s character.

    arrogant people who disappear when their yankees hit a speed bump are worse than trolls in my eyes.

    they know who they are.

  48. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    ID –

    Swisher is a nice offensive player but he’s a terrible situational hitter.

    As for the shift – I think it got into the heads of a bunch of guys who haven’t seen it used against them before. I also think that guys on this team who have traditionally been using the entire field have become pullhappy.

  49. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Chip – Not true? it’s plenty true…
    For “more productive” I usually look at wRC+ when there are different numbers of games involved, and Swisher wins.
    wRC+ – Swisher 127, O’neil 125
    WAR is cumulative… but Swisher crushed O’Neil in WAR/game

    UZR, even though I hate quoting it… Oneil was a -30… that’s historically bad…

    It’s not even particularly close, Swisher is considerably more valuable. He gets a ridiculous rap around here and I don’t understand it.

  50. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Chip – Certainly, part of the shifts effectiveness is the mental aspect of “hey, i hit the ball there all the time and theres GUYS there now…” but taking yourself “out of your game” is the quickest way to fail. The balls in play hitting those shifted fielders still harbors a great deal of luck. Getting a guy with 400+ career HR’s to consider something like bunting is letting the shift beat you before it beats you.

  51. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    ID – Do those stats on Swish and O’Neill incorporate his late 30′s years, or do they only compare the same “age” seasons for both guys?

  52. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    and, oddly enough… that high wRC number, even though swisher has worse BA, OBP and SLG… means he was more clutch i think…

  53. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    ID –

    I get the argument about playing your game – Boggs used to say that he wouldn’t adjust his perception of a strike zone to what the ump was calling because the next day there would be a new ump back there with a new strike zone.

    I think the shift is different though. If you show an unwillingness or inability to go the other way with it, even a couple of times, then you’re going to see it game after game after game regardless of what team you’re facing.

  54. Crawdaddy April 9th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Randy,

    Why don’t you be a man for once and name names?

  55. Villa Nova-Ya April 9th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Hi there.

    Just wanted to “show up” after the 3-game losing streak.

    I posted yesterday morning, too, at the 2-loss mark.

    Just want to clear up that not all the people who generally show support toward Girardi/Cash NEVER criticize them.

    For the record – didn’t like the IBB to Rodriguez; don’t really favor Ibanez in the field; accept that Nunez will be in the field and hope he’s better than last year; didn’t like Rapada facing Longoria; am not really convinced anyone needs rest at the 2-game-into-the-season mark (however, acknowledging that as far as Jeter is concerned, we don’t know if there’s any lingering soreness in his calf). Not sure I’m going to like the new-lineup-everyday approach.

  56. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Wow – This blog is starting to resemble a Paul Newman Chiefs game. I get the sense that some of youse are putting on the foil. I love the anger so early in the season!

  57. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Wow – This blog is starting to resemble a Paul Newman Chiefs game. I get the sense that some of youse are putting on the foil. I love the anger so early in the season!
    —————–

    You want anger – find yourself a Red Sox blog :-D

  58. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    “Why don’t you be a man for once and name names?”

    you don’t like me do you? :)

  59. Crawdaddy April 9th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Randy,

    Actually, I think you’re a punka$$ pretending to be an internet bully.

  60. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Chip – It just exposes the hitters that usually get away with pulling everything. It looks bad because they hit the ball right at fielders this weekend at an unbelievable rate. Unable to lift anything (I heard tampa has good pitching somewhere… I’ll go look it up) they beat the ball into the fielders all weekend.

    Over the next 3 weeks or so we will be able to determine if this is just a fluke weekend, or if Tampa has magically found out how to shift into perfect positions and then not have a pitcher miss a spot ever.

    Somewhere between the two, the truth lies :p

    Tampa employed it to great success, but they are not the first team in history to do this. The Yankee hitters are not the first hitters to be shifted on either. Given a larger sample size I doubt it’s as effective as it was this weekend though.

    What I don’t want to see is switch hitters up there trying to go the other way. There is a reason they switch hit, and it’s power to the pull field. Maybe Teixeira and Swisher should stop switch hitting… that would be a better solution than trying to teach a 30-year old to suddenly go the other way with pitches in the middle of a season.

    To be honest, I don’t remember many outside pitches anyone was “hooking” this weekend outside of a few granderson at-bats… so I don’t think they were terribly pull happy anyway. Just bad luck.

  61. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Chip – The Tampa pitchers pounding the zone inside was what made the shift work to such a high degree. If they can hit their spots like that, it’s going to be hard to “go the other way” no matter who you are… batters have been trying to figure out how jeter does it for his entire career.

  62. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    *Yawwwwwwwnnn*

    Can’t wait to see what Nova’s got tonight.. hopefully he steps it up from his last outting.

  63. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    I know the flight has already tocuhed down in Baltimore, but can I just say one last time that Joe Maddon is a doosh

  64. Vineyard Yankee April 9th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Good source of comedy here today. All kinds of pissing and moaning about absolutely nothing. LMAO ! !

  65. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Hassey – Now, that I can agree with :) His smug “i’m a genius, look at how lucky i am when I make bad decisions” act just… uhg…

  66. Erin April 9th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    what?s even more amazing how so many of the worship management/pollyannas just disappear unti the yankees win

    *************************

    Maybe they don’t see the need to jump off the nearest bridge after 3 games in April.

  67. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Phil Hartman (should he rest in peace) would be able to do an awesome Maddon impersonation…is his hair white, is it grey, is it blonde, WTF?

  68. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “Just wanted to “show up” after the 3-game losing streak.

    I posted yesterday morning, too, at the 2-loss mark.

    Just want to clear up that not all the people who generally show support toward Girardi/Cash NEVER criticize them.”

    Villa Nova-Ya -

    i’m talking about the people who attack non stop anyone who questions the yankee party line.

    they will be back as soon as the yankee roll out some wins.

    the yankees are a very safe team for this kind of fan because the yankees do win a whole lot more than they lose.

    they will most of the time be able to take that position the yankees know best and who are we to question them.

    i pointed out gb7 specifically because he’s here win , lose or draw. i also want to mention there are a lot of reasons to be not on here. i don’t think everyone who isn’t here after losses or during losing streaks is the abusive authority worshipper i’m talking about.

    but there will be people who i absolutely won’t come on here when things aren’t going well. they will also be the first ones to say when things go well again that of course the yankees know more than “whining,complaining” fans do.

    why not say that in the middle of a losing streak?

    it’s simply because the losing streak gives ammo to their enemies, and undermines their own argument.

    of course, this isn’t a big losing streak. if mariano had saved the game like he does 95% of the time, the yankees would be a game behind the rays.

  69. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Vineyard Yankee April 9th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Good source of comedy here today. All kinds of pissing and moaning about absolutely nothing. LMAO ! !
    ——————

    I’m not suggesting that the season is in danger because the first three games didn’t go according to plan – but there were some things that I saw as troubling. Mostly if Kuroda was afraid to pound the strike zone against a mediocre Tampa offense then what’s he going to do when the time comes to face really good lineups.

  70. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    randy – every regular “cheery’ poster I know of has been here in the last 24 hours, so who the hell are you even talking about?

  71. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “Maybe they don’t see the need to jump off the nearest bridge after 3 games in April.”

    erin-

    so why aren’t they on here when they are on nonstop during good runs?

  72. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Vineyard Yankee April 9th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Good source of comedy here today. All kinds of pissing and moaning about absolutely nothing. LMAO ! !

    ———————–

    Who’s pissing and moaning?

  73. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    erin – Don’t bother, randy is talking directly out of his pooper again. Somehow spending 24 hours a day on here is now something required to not be a whiny negative nancy like he is.

  74. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    “Randy,

    Actually, I think you’re a punka$$ pretending to be an internet bully.”

    crawdaddy,

    there are some people and situations where it only lowers yourself and asks for trouble to be involved with them on any level.

    i would say you and i are at that point.

  75. Vineyard Yankee April 9th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    It’s all good, just relax, enjoy the ride and give it some time, 159 to go. I don’t think it’s any big deal so long as we win the division and iron out the kinks as we go. Almost 6 months to make it happen.

  76. Erin April 9th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:17 am
    ?Maybe they don’t see the need to jump off the nearest bridge after 3 games in April.?

    erin-

    so why aren?t they on here when they are on nonstop during good runs?

    **********************

    Because they know this place will be filled with people wanting to jump off the nearest bridge?

    I don’t even know who you’re talking about, since I haven’t noticed that anyone has disappeared. Name names! :P

  77. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Erin – and be honest now…did you “friend” A-Rod on Facebook?

  78. Vineyard Yankee April 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    All you need to do is read some of the comments.

  79. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “Maybe they don’t see the need to jump off the nearest bridge after 3 games in April.”

    erin-

    so why aren’t they on here when they are on nonstop during good runs?
    ———————

    Maybe they’re on vacation with their families. This is traditionally a week off for schools and so families might be vacationing.

    Maybe they are busy at work with tax season approaching.

    I think with the exception of maybe one or two delusional souls like yourself there is no one who views these blogs as anything more than a diversion to use during some downtime.

    Certainly no one has to justify their attendance to you.

  80. Crawdaddy April 9th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “i would say you and i are at that point.”

    We’ve been past the point as I have zero respect for you.

  81. Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “i’m talking about the people who attack non stop anyone who questions the yankee party line….”

    Is this another one of those observations from your imagination?

  82. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Vineyard Yankee April 9th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    It’s all good, just relax, enjoy the ride and give it some time, 159 to go. I don’t think it’s any big deal so long as we win the division and iron out the kinks as we go. Almost 6 months to make it happen.
    —————-

    I tend to agree. Every team is going to win 54, every team is going to lose 54 – it’s those third 54 that matter.

  83. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    VY – That being said – I was concerned about Kuroda coming to the Yankees in the first place because of the propensity for NL pitchers to struggle in the transition to the AL and what I saw from Kuroda made my stomach churn.

  84. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Chip – I think control was more a factor in Kuroda’s start than fear… I would never make such an assumption about a first start in April either…

    This is why sample sizes are always trumpted as keys to analysis… any team can be the best offense in the league over a small sample like 3 games. it’s the 162 game season that lets talent rise and luck fade, where you see who the best offenses are.

    Before I finished writing this I was actually under the assumption that the Rays hit well at home… but they were 22nd in the league in runs scored at home last year… 3rd in the league in runs scored on the road. What’s that about… ?

  85. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “i’m talking about the people who attack non stop anyone who questions the yankee party line….”

    Is this another one of those observations from your imagination?
    —————–

    I think he’s talking about the people who laughed at him for saying that the Pineda trade was Cashman’s way of turning the story away from his affair.

  86. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Chip – if there is anything Kuroda has shown me in the last 3 years in LA it is no fear of the strikezone what-so-ever (almost to a fault). :)

  87. Erin April 9th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    ID- :)

    Hassey- I would have if I was on Facebook. I just do Twitter. ;)

  88. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Hahahaha that’s right, wasn’t Cashman supposed to be fired by now?

  89. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Before I finished writing this I was actually under the assumption that the Rays hit well at home… but they were 22nd in the league in runs scored at home last year… 3rd in the league in runs scored on the road. What’s that about… ?
    ——————————-

    Their home park is a cesspool and they get almost no fan support there – probably a little easier to get up for a game on the road than it is at home would be my guess.

  90. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Chip – if there is anything Kuroda has shown me in the last 3 years in LA it is no fear of the strikezone what-so-ever (almost to a fault).
    ——————–

    That’s true – but we all have seen the NL pitcher come to the AL and get beaten by the longer lineups and smaller parks.

  91. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    ” every regular “cheery’ poster I know of has been here in the last 24 hours, so who the hell are you even talking about?”

    Irreverent Discourse-

    you forgot a qualifier- “abusive” regular cheery poster.

    i’ll turn it back to you. you name the abusive regular cheer posters who have been on here today. :)

    ok, that is kind of a leading question, but surely anyone with half a brain can see a significant percentage of the blog disappearing when things go bad.

    i’m just saying i personally respect people a lot more when they don’t only show up when they’re winning because make no mistake we as yankee fans are not all on the same team.

    and again, lots of people won’t show up for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with what i’m talking about. someone doesn’t have to show up to prove anything.

    i just see what i’m talking about plain as day.

    if you disagree or don’t see it, ok. whatever.

    i know what i see though :)

  92. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    “Hahahaha that’s right, wasn’t Cashman supposed to be fired by now?”

    his wife fired him :)

  93. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Is anyone in the AL happier than Jose Molina right now?

  94. GreenBeret7 April 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    gb7, you tend towards likeing cashmand and girardi and have littel tolerance for complaining about he yankees, but you show up when things go wrong.

    that’s character.

    arrogant people who disappear when their yankees hit a speed bump are worse than trolls in my eyes.

    they know who they are.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Randy, has nothing to do with liking or disliking Cashman or Girardi. I just don’t see them as being at fault for “The Great Flood” and everything else that’s happened since then. At some time, other teams need to get a little credit and the Yankee players need to get the blame for a few things. Right now, Nunez is blamed for a loss where he made an error that accounted for one run. That run was on him. The two walks and the hit that followed was not his fault. Ibanez got nailed because of yesterday, but, unless the ball is caught, that run scores anyway. It added maybe 4 pitches to Hughes total. The culprit was the lack of offense. As much as people tend to drool over Maddon and his bag of gimmicks, it’ll wear thin. His shifts will end up costing them games.

    As far as losing 3 games, I’m not happy about it, but, the BS from these whining pissants is beyond ridiculous. The same boring cliches…swinging to hit 5 run homers and the rest of the BS spewed last night and today. The only one that was overswinging was Swisher, but, that’s been his swing since coming into the league. I tend to not get very upset over a couple of losses. I get concerned with being behind at the end of September by 2 games with one to play. I’ve been in tougher spots than losing a couple of games. Maturity does that to people. It’s a damned game. Not a matter of life and death.

  95. Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    It doesn’t matter if it’s imaginary or not, randy knows what he sees. :lol:

  96. Vineyard Yankee April 9th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Yes, on the 54 analogy. Kuroda is a very expensive stop gap option, he has alot of pitches and throws strikes, once the bats start rolling a little run support for Kuroda will go a long way, then you will like him more. :lol:

  97. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “Is this another one of those observations from your imagination?”

    you’re just never going to get over being chosen last.

  98. jacksquat April 9th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:07 am
    Chip – The Tampa pitchers pounding the zone inside was what made the shift work to such a high degree. If they can hit their spots like that, it’s going to be hard to “go the other way” no matter who you are… batters have been trying to figure out how jeter does it for his entire career.

    —————-

    The spray charts show you are wrong.

    The Yankee hitters continued to hit ground balls where they have mostly hit them in the past, not just because of how the Rays pitched, and the Rays fielders were positioned accordingly. Even Jeter mostly pulls ground balls or hits them up the middle. His balls hit the other way are mostly line drives and fly balls.

    I really hope that not a lot of teams start to do this, but I suspect we will see it more and more.

  99. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    ” I’ve been in tougher spots than losing a couple of games. Maturity does that to people. It’s a damned game. Not a matter of life and death.”

    gb7-

    that would be true

    it’s PLAY baseball.

    it’s not life and death.

    but a lot of character or lack of character comes out in the games we play. you usually know everything you need to know about someone after playing a round of golf with them. and not because they are good players or bad players. it’s about how they play the game.

  100. austinmac April 9th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Well, that was an ugly weekend. I am not one to criticize Girardi on a regular basis, their are certain things that are clear and should have been clear from the beginning. Rapada cannot get out a right handed hitter. Never let him pitch to one. Further, never intentionally walk the bases loaded in the first inning. Lastly, never let Ibanez touch a glove again.

    However, even had none of these things occurred, they likely would have lost anyway. Swisher swings as hard as he can in any count and in any circumstance. Pitchers take advantage of that, throw off the plate in critical situations and he swings from his shoes.

    I don’t see a new Tex either. Not one ball to left other than pop ups.

    I said all winter they need a guy who hits for a high average in the outfield. Right now, they outfielders are likely to all hit .260 or below. I doubt their are many teams in baseball who can say that.

  101. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    randy – someone doesn’t have to show up to prove anything.
    … but above you just judged their absence on it anyway. Your usual double-talk, or are you running more social experiments again? :)

    This must also mean you respect me to some degree, as my rosy outlook only gets stronger after losses… does that pain you? :p

    I’ll take 100 “positive” posters that only show up after wins over 1 trolling loser that shows up here after a loss and claims the kingdom overthrown. I’m not interested in Chicken Little’s opinion on anything, no matter how right it may be.

    i don’t think anyone tote’s the company line around here like you claim to, it’s just easy to shuffle away opinions you disagree with in that manner, and you disrespect a lot of people by doing so on a regular basis.

  102. versonine April 9th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Anyone that would want Swisher over O’Neill is borderline crazy.

    Yes, I see the irony.

  103. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    jacksquat – The spray charts show you that hitting an inside pitch the other way is easy? what are you talking about?

  104. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    “Certainly no one has to justify their attendance to you.”

    chipster-

    but it’s so much fun pushing the buttons of knuckleheads.

    nice to see i’m drawing so many out though.

    i didn’t even think they’d be that touchy. sensitive aren’t they.

    i guess it’s the old “if the shoe fits wear it” thing.

  105. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    austinmac – Rapada cannot get out a right handed hitter. Never let him pitch to one.

    What was more detrimental to that inning… the double by Longoria, or the 2 lefties the LOOGY didn’t get out?

  106. Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    randy, your problem here — well, one of your problems here — is that you react so poorly to any kind of scrutiny.

    In this case you opine at length about some pretend observation that’s apparently based on who has or hasn’t posted to this blog before noon EDT on a Monday morning. And if someone asks you what the hell you’re talking about, you retreat to one of your fallback trash talk tropes.

    Very odd behavior.

  107. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “Your usual double-talk, or are you running more social experiments again? :)

    Confusing randy with stuckey.. perhaps the biggest insult you could throw at him :lol:

  108. RadioKev April 9th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Can we all agree to hate the Orioles?

  109. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “I’ll take 100 “positive” posters that only show up after wins over 1 trolling loser that shows up here after a loss and claims the kingdom overthrown. I’m not interested in Chicken Little’s opinion on anything, no matter how right it may be.”

    i like “positive”.

    is anyone more positive than MTU?

    but he doesn’t bash people who question the yankees on a regular basis.

    you do get it that i don’t care that the yankees have lost three games?

    baseball is a marathon.

    if you are going to ose three games in a row , now is the best time. it will have nothing to do with the rest of the year.

  110. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Nick -

    Randy says things to make sure the talk is about him (or at least includes him) if you indulge him you’re just giving him what he wants and there’s no incentive for him to stop. Ignore him on the other hand and sooner or later he’ll get tired of p*ssing against the wind.

  111. MTU April 9th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    You all have a nice day.

    I’m takin’ Mrs. MTU out to see Zion NP.

    Catch ya’ later.

    :)

  112. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    randy – I know you don’t care about three games, because you shouldn’t… but when someone come here every day… and ties every broken shoelace and pimple on the yankees butts to being Girardi/Casman’s fault… you are just as bad as the trolls and “abusive positive posters” that you claim to despise.

  113. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “Can we all agree to hate the Orioles?”

    i kind of like buck who helped lay the groundwork for the team they are right now. also my buddy rick peterson is there.

    but i hope the yankees sweep the season series against them.

  114. RadioKev April 9th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    God damn it Randy >:O

  115. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    I’ll go ahead and agree with randy, just to change the conversation.

    OK, kind of… I hate the Orioles, they have a thorn in the Yankees side for ever and definitely play the little brother punching you in the chest role well… but Buck… I don’t hate Buck… he’s awesome.

  116. jacksquat April 9th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:42 am
    jacksquat – The spray charts show you that hitting an inside pitch the other way is easy? what are you talking about?

    Well you just totally did not understand what I said…

  117. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    “Confusing randy with stuckey.. perhaps the biggest insult you could throw at him ”

    shame spencer-

    or vice versa :)

  118. jacksquat April 9th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I respect Showalter’s baseball knowledge and dedication, but I think he’s a jerk.

  119. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I don’t respect the Orioles, I don’t hate them though.

  120. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    jacksquat – No, what you said is common sense… and not what I was talking about at all.

  121. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    The location of the pitch can be a factor for the resulting hit location, but for the most part players who pull the ball will try to pull pitches away and get the same result as inside pitches.

    The shifts effectiveness this weekened was not based on the Rays pitchers being ultra-effective (clearly they weren’t in game 1 and 2) but on the tendencies of the hitters at the plate. That is what makes the shift effective.

  122. austinmac April 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    ID,

    Obviously, Rapada must get out lefties, but having failed to do that is no reason to have him face a right hander.

    I agree with the concept that players lose and win games.

  123. MTU April 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Randy-

    You’re right. I don’t like bashing or being bashed.

    I figure everyone has a right to post their opinion here. Positive or negative.

    What sometimes bothers me are the personal attacks that have little to do with baseball.

    But it’s a baseball blog on the Internet and I guess people are going to do what they want to do.

    IMO the place would be a lot better w/o them.

    OTOH some people really like getting into it with each other.

    Anyway. Have good one. We’ll see ya’ later.

    ;)

  124. Chip April 9th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    There are only a couple of teams for which my disdain rises to the level of hate – the Red Sox, Rays, Angels, Marlins, and Brewers.

  125. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Which is the difference between Fielder & Teixeira. And Cano & Teixeira. The ball Fielder hit through the vacated side of the shift is a pitch Tex pops up or grounds out into the shift.

  126. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    I know this is true because I had to listen to Michael Kay say ‘Tries to pull the outside pitch’ 1 million times.

  127. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “And if someone asks you what the hell you’re talking about, you retreat to one of your fallback trash talk tropes.”

    real baseball people don’t sue the word “trope”.

    unless they are tripped over a rope as in ” whoops,I troped”.

    just trying to help you out nick. you need to make friends with a baseball player to get the lingo down.

    get over that phobia you have with athletes. just walk up to one and i say ” hi , i’m nick , i want to get over hating athletes.

  128. jacksquat April 9th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    I’m not one of the Swisher Bashers, but yeah I’d rather have O’Neill (Yankee version) anytime. This team could use a couple more skilled hitters like O’Neill, Bernie, Matsui…

  129. Irreverent Discourse April 9th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    jf – How do we find out if the Yankee hitters are actually more pull happy on ground balls than the rest of the league? If you looked at Fielders spray chart you would tell me that he could never hit the ball he hit yesterday.

  130. Hassey April 9th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Swish is straight tropin’ up in here

  131. Jerkface April 9th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    How do we find out if the Yankee hitters are actually more pull happy on ground balls than the rest of the league? If you looked at Fielders spray chart you would tell me that he could never hit the ball he hit yesterday.

    Retrosheet Data would be probably be a good start. And I don’t think Fielder’s history matters so much as the adjustment he made in that particular situation. Bases empty with a lead and fielder might be looking to crank one.

  132. Nick in SF April 9th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    You know the same internet you’re using to make an idiot of yourself on can also be used to look up words you don’t know, randy?

    There, I trash talked you back, you can chalk that up as a little victory and meanwhile we’re one step further removed from the pretend observation you made about phantom people who haven’t “shown up” to do something or other.

    :arrow:

  133. randy l. April 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “Which is the difference between Fielder & Teixeira. And Cano & Teixeira. The ball Fielder hit through the vacated side of the shift is a pitch Tex pops up or grounds out into the shift.”

    this shift thing is interesting. if ever sabermetrics were going to be useful, spray charts would be that place.

    it really may be a thing of the past is an elite hitter can’t go the other way at will. personally i’ve never understood how a good hitter can’t hit the opposite way with some pop t it.

    if shifts become the next big trend, some hitters are really going to have to do some serious adjustments .

    i would think an antidote to shifts would be high on base percentages and teams that can run. it would really mess with defensive positioning. say texeira is up and jeter is on second. someone has to cover third. jeter can bluff going even and get the third baseman out of position where they want him.

    bunting would also really mess with the shifts. so ironically, the way to compete against the sabermetric shifts would be using small ball or THREAT of small ball against them. a lot of fake small ball would have those maddon fielders running every which way.

  134. RadioKev April 9th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Isn’t it amazing that we’ll be thrilled if the Yankees ONLY have 57 more losses this season? :D


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