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Letting go of the opener, Sabathia ready for another start

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 11, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

First a very quick reminder that I’ll be hosting a chat this afternoon at 4 p.m. I’ll try to go as long as I can before I have to go down to the dugout for Joe Girardi’s pregame interview.

CC Sabathia showed absolutely no concern. Not when he struggled a little bit in spring training, and certainly not after a so-so outing on Opening Day. His second start of the season comes in tonight’s series finale against the Orioles, and Sabathia said he hasn’t even watched video of Friday’s opener.

“That comes with time,” he said. “I really think having a family, having kids, is what allowed me to let things go. Since I’ve had little ones, I come out, and they don’t care if I threw a no-hitter or gave up eight runs. It doesn’t matter to them, and I think that’s helped me a lot.”

The Yankees ace allowed five runs through six innings on Opening Day. He gave up eight hits and walked three, but his fastball command got much better in the later innings, and four of those five runs came on a first-inning grand slam.

“You want to get back out there,” Sabathia said. “But whether it’s a good start or a bad start, once I leave the field, I let it go. I can’t take anything out there with me. Pitching bad against Tampa is not going to help me out here against the Orioles. I’ll go out and try to throw my fastball, have my fastball command and throw everything off of that.”

In his three years with the Yankees, Sabathia has averaged nearly 20 wins with a 3.18 ERA. As little concern as Sabathia shows, his manager might show even less.

“I think his track record usually allows me not to think about it,” Joe Girardi said. “When he does have an outing that’s maybe not CC like, the next one is usually really good.”

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436 Responses to “Letting go of the opener, Sabathia ready for another start”

  1. Doc Iac April 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    im not worried

  2. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Shut down Wieters and you’ve got a good chance….he’s kinda starting to look like the beast everyone thought he’d be.

  3. Hassey April 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    can you imagine how many comfort burritos CC puts away after a bad outing?

  4. Jacques Strappe April 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Not worried about Sabathia.

    If Pettitte & Pineda look good next month & June, the All Star break / trade deadline could see Kuroda & Garcia on outside of the rotation mix looking in.

    That would mean all 5 of the other pitchers are doing well. It might be optimistic, but let’s hope that’s the case.

    That would leave plenty of reliable pitching to move to the bullpen or trade for someone who can hit & play a position.

    Looking back at the last thread, I would not trade for Melky. When he was here he tried as hard on perfecting high fives as he did making some plays. And his buddy Cano matured as a player when he left.

    Trade for Heyward? Hmmm … sounds interesting. Might cost us Betances plus someone else we would miss. Depending on who’s involved it could be favorable for both teams. I’d wait & see who plays well this year. Trade deadline is a little more than 4 months away. If Atlanta were willing to part with him w/out asking for an absurd package in return of course.

    Phelps looks good. I hope the rest of the bullpen stays healthy so they don’t Proctorize his arm.

  5. Pville April 11th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Not worried about CC as long as he’s not told to walk the bases loaded in the 1st inning.
    Our #4 and 5 hitters now thats another story.

  6. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    “Trade for Heyward? Hmmm … sounds interesting. Might cost us Betances plus someone else we would miss. ”

    Take a lot more than that…Braves have young pitching…..they need offense…..not sure the Yanks match up well even he they would trade him which I doubt.

  7. tomingeorgia April 11th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    As an old fart who still has to get up early, I much prefer day games. They also keep most of the school crowd out, at least until the late innings.

  8. luis April 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Good afternoon everyone,

    Blake,

    Please don’t suggest trading Betances, he is probably the best of the lot. And i think he has ironed out his mechanics.

  9. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    LOL Hassey!

    I love CC!

  10. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    CC will be fine as will the pitching. My concerns are more about their ability to crush RHP.

  11. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Luis,

    I didn’t….I just said it would take a lot more than Betances to trade for Jason Heyward hypothetically.

  12. Bret The Hitman April 11th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    I don’t think Heyward is a realistic option.

    RF could come down to Swisher vs. Melky Cabrera

    I guess Ethier could be a wildcard but he may be expensive as well and he may want to stay in LA. I would think both Swisher and Melky want to play for the Yankees.

    It comes down to what the Yankees want and also payroll.

  13. luis April 11th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Rich,

    Yup, usually it was the other way around.

  14. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Melky is… not so good…

  15. luis April 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    My bad Blake…..He is hitting 95 in the cold of April, and his mechanics look so good. that i think he is a keeper.

  16. luis April 11th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Do you guys think that Melky might want to return to the Yankees? after all he was traded away…

  17. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Luis,

    Big season for Dellin…..he had a really good first outing to build on so let’s hope he’s finally learning to repeat and then can allow his stuff to do the work.

  18. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Don’t think Melky will be returning…..

  19. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Campos pitching tonight as well….wish that one was televised.

  20. tomingeorgia April 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Anybody know what happened in Charleston last night?

  21. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Sounds like the River Dogs left their bats at home last night.

  22. GoldGlove9486 April 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Someone just sent me this…worth a look/follow. Hilarious!!!

    twitter.com/BinderGirardi

  23. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Romero has an 8 pitch first inning.

  24. Bret The Hitman April 11th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Nah. Melky has finally figured it out.

    Melky put up a 121 OPS+ in 2011 so he was not only better than not-so-good, he was better than most at his position.

    If he matches that in 2012, he’s definitely a good player.

  25. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Don’t think Melky will be returning…..
    ————–

    Agreed.

  26. luis April 11th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Tom,

    They lost 2-0….Sanchez k’d thrice!!!, Mason Williams got a hit.

  27. Bret The Hitman April 11th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    luis April 11th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Do you guys think that Melky might want to return to the Yankees? after all he was traded away…

    *******

    If the Yankees want him back and his best friend Robinson Cano recruits him, how could he say no?

  28. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Mason has yet to K this season

  29. Bret The Hitman April 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    When will Mason Williams be ready to play LF in place of Gardner? Granderson should be locked up.

  30. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Melky has had 1 good year. Compare that to the other 4 or whatever years, and yeah he’s not that good. 2012 is a big year for him though, he has to prove he can duplicate 2011.

  31. tomingeorgia April 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    luis,
    Thanks. That won’t last.

  32. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    When will Mason Williams be ready to play LF in place of Gardner? Granderson should be locked up.

    Nobody needs to take over LF in place of Gardner.

  33. Bret The Hitman April 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Nah. Melky’s first good year came at after he had just turned 26. That’s not unusual and not too late.

  34. HebrewHammer April 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    One thing I see with Ibanez is that he really looks determined and hungry. He even looks confident !

    I can’t say that for all of our players and it really is frustrating. Our numbers with RISP are just disgusting. Our numbers period are a disgrace for what this team is supposed to be. Then again it’s not the first go around with them underperforming. Everybody looks just so casual about it too. You know it’s burning them inside. I honestly think this is a manager issue for being afraid to address the issues and confront his players. Joe is complacent and so is his team.

    5 of our regular hitters are around the .100 mark almost all over are hitters are under .100 with RISP. Absolutely disgraceful. Tex is the biggest choker, soon followed by Arod.. and they are supposed to be the power in our lineup.
    I’m not trying to anger anyone here. I am frustrated seeing the same thing with our offense for the last 3 seasons !!

    How much longer can this persist without any action being taken ?

  35. Bret The Hitman April 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Mason in LF 2013? 2014?

    The guy is a fast mover.

  36. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    If Granderson is “locked up,” he will likely spend most of that time locked up in LF.

  37. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    2014 is probably the absolute soonest for Mason….2015 more likely. Depends on how he does…….

  38. luis April 11th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Tom,

    My pleasure….I agree, it won’t last.

    Bret,

    This game is increasingly becoming a younger athlete’s game, since the banning of PED’s. I don’t know how Grandy will age.

  39. blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Would like to see….

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Cano
    Granderson
    Arod
    Tex
    Swisher
    Ibanez
    Martin

    Tonight…..

  40. luis April 11th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Hammer,

    Our main concern wasn’t pitching but the aging offense. But, i don’t think the numbers you are seeing right now are their ceiling but rather their floor. They are going to be better and the pitching will start rolling we should be fine. For now….

  41. jacksquat April 11th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    I think they don’t sign Granderson for 2014. Maybe Mason will be ready, though he’d be pretty young.

  42. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    What you’re likely to see :

    Jeter
    Grandy
    Cano
    A-Rod
    Tex
    Swish
    Ibanez
    Martin
    GGBG

    ;)

  43. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    blake April 11th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Would like to see….

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Cano
    Granderson
    Arod
    Tex
    Swisher
    Ibanez
    Martin

    Tonight…..

    ======================

    Not happening, but good suggestion.

  44. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    MTU,

    Yup, I think you have it right.

  45. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    If Granderson is “locked up,” he will likely spend most of that time locked up in LF.

    Replace “will” with “should” you never know with Girardi..

    You are right though. Gardner should be playing CF and Granderson should be playing LF.

  46. jacksquat April 11th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Texeira would have to suck vs rhp for several more months before Girardi dared risk insulting him by moving him to 6th.

  47. austinmac April 11th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Gardner needs to hit more than .260 to lead off. He is a nine hole hitter in my eyes.

  48. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Luis-

    I speak with Joe on a regular basis so it’s not really fair.

    He likes to consult with me. Just does the opposite of what I tell him in order to be successful.

    Gets mad when I tell him to loose the Binder more.

    :)

  49. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Boston up one zip

  50. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    I hear you, Patrick. Granderson will be in his age 33 season in his first year playing under a new contract. How many CF are still plus defenders when they are much past 33? Not many. In fact, I wouldn’t extend him for very many years past 33, and at this point, I’m not sure that I would re-sign him.

    btw, I’m hoping that the one thing Meanwell was telling the truth about was Cashman’s complaints about Girardi.

  51. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    If it’s a choice between signing Granderson and Cano I’ll take Cano.

  52. Bronx Jeers April 11th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    He likes to consult with me. Just does the opposite of what I tell him in order to be successful.

    —————————————————

    Tell him to bunt more and use the binder liberally.

  53. comet April 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Hey Erin and Upstate Kate. Tom good to you here as it is Luis. Good afternoon to all!

    Read the ingame blog last night. It was brutal.

    Don’t think we will trading for any young up and coming hitters. They are rare and would require an excessive number of our very best prospects. We might manage to acquire an older player or “damaged” goods.

  54. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Luis-

    I speak with Joe on a regular basis so it’s not really fair.

    He likes to consult with me. Just does the opposite of what I tell him in order to be successful.

    Gets mad when I tell him to loose the Binder more.

    :)

    =====================================

    Don’t tell him that!…..Just add a note to the Binder that says: “throw me in the garbage” He will listen and do as the Binder tells him to. :D

  55. tomingeorgia April 11th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Roger Craig just threw out the first pitch at Citi on the 50th anniversary of the Mets’ first game. Craig pitched that game, wound up 8-20 for the season.

  56. theREALkevin April 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    I don’t know about Heyward. He probably isn’t an option but the Braves are weird. Fredi Gonzalez benched him the other night against the Astros because they were facing a lefty. He played Matt Diaz instead. Braves fans not happy about that. If Heyward gets into something dysfunctional there, he could be moved, but I suspect Fredi Gonzalez could be fired at some point first if it deteriorates. I mean for me he would be on a relatively short leash considering the Braves’ collapse last year.

  57. LGY April 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    I think Gardner would be an improvement over Granderson in CF, possibly significantly so, but with Gardner receiving sporadic playing time it makes more sense to leave him in LF.

  58. tomingeorgia April 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    blake,
    Santana K swinging on a fastball and two nasty CUs.

  59. Bronx Jeers April 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    I’d like it if she revealed that at the point of climax, Cash would scream out ” Donnie Baseball !! ”

    Then at least we’d have hope.

  60. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I’m 1000% with Patrick.

    If it ever got down to Cano vs. Grandy (which I hope it doesn’t) I’m takin’ Robbie every time and twice on Sundays.

    ;)

  61. comet April 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Sorry didn’t see that MTU , Shame and Rich in NJ were here as well. Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen.

    There is nothing like two wins to to bring about some cheer.

  62. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Hi Comet!,

    Good to see you around. I agree with you that we won’t be able to get an up and coming bat unless they trade the farm. That might happen though. Real damage goods probably, because they are inexpensive. I don’t see them getting an impact bat as a FA, because if they want to go below the 189 mark, they won’t be able to afford him.

    That’s why i am afraid that they might trade the prospects and why it’s another reason not to like the trade of you know who.

  63. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Our Pen was killer last night.

    Deadly.

    Get used to it.

    IMO it will be one of the best in baseball.

    :)

    Greetings Comet.

  64. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Toronto up 2-1

  65. Asd April 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Ah, It wouldn’t be lohud blog if we hadn’t given up already five games in.

  66. Tackelberry April 11th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    I’d give Granderson a 4 year deal. No more

  67. comet April 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Luis I completely agree about that trade. However if AP doesn’t work out or doesn’t play again next year we may need Pineda. We might need him in any event if Kuroda and Garcia are unable to turn their seasons around. Although after one start it is premature to start talking about anyone’s season.

  68. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    In my case. 3 years tops to Grandy, and i think the final year is going to be horrible

  69. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    I forgot that the Yanks still have a club option on Granderson for next year. Plenty of time to determine what his worth will be, I could definitely see Cashman letting him walk in 2014.

  70. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    MTU April 11th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    GB-

    Kudos to you Man.

    You were all over Phelps when he was in the Minors

    He looks fantastic.

    Anything surprise you about him now that he’s hit the big time ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Nothing more specific than any other rookie that shows a big league demeanor like his. It’s not alwaysin every player. I’m curious to see how he does in YS, to see it it’s still there. He had that confidense throughout the minors, but, that doesn’t always carry over to the big leagues. it’s only been two appearances, but, given the situation last night, that was impressive for most relievers to walk in and do a job with now room for error. His pitches or the way he goes about his business hasn’t changed and unlike a lot of the starting pitchers NYYs have brought up over the last few years, he’s had a chance to get his minor league innings in and learn. NYY would do well to allow Betances and Banuelos to do the same…..get in 450-600 minor league innings. Warren and Mitchell are also getting that chance.

  71. blake April 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Tom,

    Id like to see Johan make it back…he was fun to watch

  72. tomingeorgia April 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    blake,
    Johan in the first sitting at 88, touched 91. Usual unhittable CU.
    Strasburg sitting 96-98, breaking stuff a little wild.

  73. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Gb-

    Thanks. I just wondered if anything surprised you since you saw him early on.

    Not really having seen him until lately I am most impressed by his command.

    His stuff is more than adequate but his ability to command the zone and mix his pitches is really impressive.

    I also agree that it would be really good if the Yankees stopped rushing their prospects and shelved the “all hands on deck” mentality that sometimes causes them to abandon it.

  74. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    comet April 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Luis I completely agree about that trade. However if AP doesn’t work out or doesn’t play again next year we may need Pineda. We might need him in any event if Kuroda and Garcia are unable to turn their seasons around. Although after one start it is premature to start talking about anyone’s season.

    ===================================

    I am not sure if that’s the case. I think CC and Nova are locks for next season. I think Hughes is going to have a career year, so that makes three. Probably one or two of the B’s might pan out (at this moment i will say Betances), that’s four. If you ask me, Phelps is already capable to man a spot in the rotation. That doesn’t take in to account Noesi, Warren, Mitchell, Joba.

    We never needed him, not even if you take out of that list the pitchers down with injuries or traded. But i do hope that he becomes a beast.

  75. RayVT April 11th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    2-1 Toronto over Beantown B4

  76. blake April 11th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Verlander might have an era of zero this year.

  77. blake April 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Johan wont be as dominant….but he was an win at 88-90 with his CU

  78. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Pineda could not have had all that much shoulder inflammation being that he is already long tossing.

    I was pleasantly surprised to see that he did not need to be shut down for very long.

    I hope the Yankees do not rush him and he is not considered for re-insertion unless and until his stuff
    is back to where it should be.

    :)

  79. blake April 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Halladay vs Josh Johnson tonight also….

  80. blake April 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    “I hope the Yankees do not rush him and he is not considered for re-insertion unless and until his stuff is back to where it should be.”

    Agree 100%

  81. Tackelberry April 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Betances going this afternoon for Scranton against Jeremy Familja and the Mets AAA squad. Jose Campos goes tonight for Charleston.

    Trenton won 10-1 this morning as Shaeffer Hall hulrled 7 innings of 1 run ball. Ronnie Musteiler 2-4 with a homer and 2 rbis. Zolio Almonte with pinch hit single, now hitting 409 in the early going.

    Tampa scoreless in the 3rd inning with Nik Turley on the mound

  82. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Blake-

    If you peel away some the skin on Verlander’s arm people would know that he really isn’t Human.

    Because few if any humans could throw a baseball the way he does.

    He’s an Android but so far the secret has not gotten out.

    ;)

  83. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    How would this board react to Ellsbury if he was a Yankee after the season he had, only to see him go 2-20 with 4 balls out of the infield? Would they still be drooling over him or trash him too? Why no dislike or complaints over Granderson who’s 3-20 and 0 RBI?

  84. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    .,

  85. blake April 11th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    MTU,

    He’s fun to watch….no doubt.

  86. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Because Granderson has actually done something positive for this team, he’s also made attempts to get better and hit LHP. Stish man has done nothing but point to the sky to honor his deceased grandparents.

  87. Tackelberry April 11th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Because Granderson has actually done something positive for this team, he’s also made attempts to get better and hit LHP. Stish man has done nothing but point to the sky to honor his deceased grandparents

    ____________________________________________________

    Yeah. What he said

  88. Yank 97 April 11th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    “Luis I completely agree about that trade. However if AP doesn’t work out or doesn’t play again next year we may need Pineda. We might need him in any event if Kuroda and Garcia are unable to turn their seasons around. Although after one start it is premature to start talking about anyone’s season.”

    Yes, but the chances are, we won’t “need” him in the upcoming years as much as we’ll need a stud bat to compliment the offense. Our youngest guy is Cano and he is almost 30. Everyone else is over 30.

  89. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    blake-

    He’s more than fun.

    Downright scary.

    He’s made the transition from thrower to Pitcher with an A+ arsenal.

    He not only adds but subtracts now. Said as much.

    Only overpowers if he thinks he needs to.

  90. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    When will Mason Williams be ready to play LF in place of Gardner? Granderson should be locked up.
    ———————–

    Let’s wait until he has at least half a season above SS baseball under his belt before putting him in Yankee Stadium

  91. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    MTU April 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
    Gb-

    Thanks. I just wondered if anything surprised you since you saw him early on.

    Not really having seen him until lately I am most impressed by his command.

    His stuff is more than adequate but his ability to command the zone and mix his pitches is really impressive.

    I also agree that it would be really good if the Yankees stopped rushing their prospects and shelved the “all hands on deck” mentality that sometimes causes them to abandon it.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, he really hasn’t changed much since the first time I saw him. He was a quality pitcher coming out of Notre Dame. he’s sharpened up his pitches and control a bit is really all. He was one of three pitchers in that class to make it to the major leagues. Kyle Wieland was with Boston (now Houston) and the Cubs Jeff Samardija

  92. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    I forgot that the Yanks still have a club option on Granderson for next year. Plenty of time to determine what his worth will be, I could definitely see Cashman letting him walk in 2014.
    —————

    If they re-sign Swisher then Granderson is gone.

  93. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I can’t see them re-signing Swisher.

  94. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    So who plays RF next year if Swish is gone?

  95. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Just like Alex, CC, Nova, Martin. I wont bash them.

    Obviously, I wont bash Jeter’s play. Guy is amazing, even if he struggled a bit last year.

    Texo and Stish man make no attempt at getting any better.

  96. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Id rather have nobody play right field and play with 8 players on the field and an empty batting spot (automatic out) than have the Stish man, so Im not opposed to anyone else playing RF.

  97. Tackelberry April 11th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    So who plays RF next year if Swish is gone?

    _________________________________

    Nunez is a possiblilty.

  98. BTX April 11th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Do they re-sign Swisher OR Martin?

  99. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Tackelberry April 11th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    Because Granderson has actually done something positive for this team, he’s also made attempts to get better and hit LHP. Stish man has done nothing but point to the sky to honor his deceased grandparents

    ____________________________________________________

    Yeah. What he said

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    you’re kidding, right? What’s Granderson doing this year? The same thing people are banging Rodriguez, Swisher and Teixeira for…not producing. He must have forgotten what he’s learned?

    It’s 5 games and suddenly, they’re dogs. I realize the idiot you’re agreeing with is an over reacting nutcase, but, apparently was wrong in assumming you were a bit smarter.

    Funny how batting averages don’t mean much unless it’s low.

  100. blake April 11th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “So who plays RF next year if Swish is gone?”

    Somebody cheaper.

  101. luis April 11th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    So who plays RF next year if Swish is gone?

    ========================

    Ibanez!!! :D Seriously, Zoilo Almonte may be an option if he has a break out year. If not, they will probably go a get something else than Swisher. Not as good either

  102. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Nunez is a possiblilty.

    Nunez? He is a career .269/.316/.382 hitter and his minor league stats aren’t any better (.274/.318/.369). I don’t think that bat plays as a starting corner outfielder. Plus we have no idea how his fielding would translate to the outfield. Right now he’s a significantly below average infielder, who knows how he plays in the outfield.

  103. jacksquat April 11th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Phelps had time to develop because the Yankees don’t generally like “soft tossers”. Harder throwers tend to get more attention. His velocity used to be 90ish, it seems like he has maybe gained a little velocity, and I don’t remember his offspeed stuff being quite this good last year. Personally I love the command. As long as he can keep the h/9 manageable he should be good.

  104. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Overreacting nutcase?

    Nutcase, sure.

    Overreacting, no. Even SJ44 agrees with my opinions re: Stish man and Texo. Both refuse to get any better and play hero ball.

    I have not a bad word to say about Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez.

  105. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Somebody cheaper.

    Yes but who is cheaper and is as good or better than Swisher? If the Yankees want to continue making the playoffs every year they can’t downgrade significantly

  106. Yank 97 April 11th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    I’d rather keep Martin than Swisher. Younger, plays a premium position, and will probably be cheaper. Also have no catchers at all.

  107. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Patrick

    They seem to have enough cost-controlled pitching depth to trade for a cost-controlled OF.

    Signing Swisher at what would likely be $10m+ for three or four years further limits their payroll flexiblity given their pre-existing contractual commitments.

  108. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “I’d rather keep Martin than Swisher. Younger, plays a premium position, and will probably be cheaper. Also have no catchers at all.”

    I thought Cashman said they were stockpiling young catchers?

  109. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    They seem to have enough cost-controlled pitching depth to trade for a cost-controlled OF.

    Signing Swisher at what would likely be $10m+ for three or four years further limits their payroll flexiblity given their pre-existing contractual commitments.

    I’m not saying re-signing Swisher is a must but I just don’t see the alternatives out there and I’d honestly like to hear what people think the Yankees should do. I suppose it’s too early to predict who might be available via trade.

  110. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Patrick

    They seem to have enough cost-controlled pitching depth to trade for a cost-controlled OF.

    Signing Swisher at what would likely be $10m+ for three or four years further limits their payroll flexiblity given their pre-existing contractual commitments.

    ========================

    +1

  111. blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    “Yes but who is cheaper and is as good or better than Swisher?”

    Sadly I think the second part of that question may not matter as much as the first….

  112. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Patrick,

    If they are serious about going below the 189 Mil mark, they have no choice but to let go some players. IMO their priority should be Cano, then Granderson and then Martin. And even in this scenario they may not be able to keep all three. Tough choices ahead.

  113. blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Patrick,

    This is why Cashman need story be searching for a good Swisher replacement now……if they get to this winter without doing so they may have to decide between over paying Swisher and putting a worse player in the lineup next year……and I honestly think given those choices they’ll chose the latter…..Cash needs to be proactive and try to find a cost controlled and good outfielder via trade this summer.

  114. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Sadly I think the second part of that question may not matter as much as the first….

    That is my worry as well. That the Yankees are so focused on reducing payroll that they will cut corners which will result in a worse team.

  115. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    So who plays RF next year if Swish is gone?
    —————————-

    Don’t know. It’s not really something I think needs to be determined right now.

    There could be internal replacements such as Almonte if he puts together a strong year in AA and AAA.

    They could get someone via trade like a Josh Reddick.

    They could sign a FA who would either cost less (Torii Hunter, Marlon Byrd) or is younger so you’re not buying up his late 30s (BJ Upton, Michael Bourn, Carlos Quentin, Delmon Young) or is going to cost more but probably also worth more than Swisher (Josh Hamilton) though I admit the latter is quite unlikely and would also likely mean Granderson was gone at the end of 2013.

  116. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Patrick,

    That’s why the amassed so many pitchers. They are going to try to live through the latter parts of Arod, Tex and Jeter’s contracts by enhancing the pitching quality and defense.

  117. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Blake -

    I think, more than the money, is the years for Swisher. He’s a nice player but he’s going to be 32 at the end of this year. He’s likely going to want at least a 4 year deal – I don’t know about you but I don’t think this team needs to sign another guy for his declining years. If they’re going to do that I would rather sign a guy like Hunter who is already older to a 1 year deal and be done with him. You’ll see less decline in Hunter for one year than you would in Swisher over the course of 4.

  118. champ809 April 11th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Of the four prominent FA’s coming up I think Swisher and Martin will be gone and Cano( obviously he’s a legacy type player) and Grandy will be prioritzed as keepers with Grandy being offered a 3-4yr deal.

    As far as stop gap replacements for Swisher next year there’ll be guys out there to fit the bill or maybe Andruw Jones is brought back and given expanded playing time with a guy like Zoilo Almonte possibly being considered coming off a big year this season @ Trenton then The Travelin’ Yanks….

    If he repeats his last couple of years then Swish could be in line for a 4-5yr deal @12-14per and after Molina’s ridiculous contract Martin is going to be extremely over priced

  119. blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    I could see them letting Swisher walk and signing a Tori Hunter stop gap…..

  120. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    That’s why the amassed so many pitchers. They are going to try to live through the latter parts of Arod, Tex and Jeter’s contracts by enhancing the pitching quality and defense.

    I think that is a strategy doomed to failure. The problem with having guys like Jeter/A-rod/Tex on the roster is that all 3 will get progressively worse year by year. Shouldn’t the strategy be to buff the rest of your offense to compensate for the “big 3″ getting worse?

  121. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    I think the Yankees are as serious as a heart attack when it comes to meeting that 189 goal.

    They want to reset that Tax.

    Cash has been given his marching orders.

    They’ll have to stay under for 14 and 15 to make it happen.

    I’m hoping it’s a temporary thing.

    Some seem to think not.

    IMO It will force the Yankees to rely on their farm in a way they haven’t had to in a long time, and to be much more selective in the way they hand out contracts.

    Time will tell if that turns out to be a bad thing or not.

    ;)

  122. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    “They are going to try to live through the latter parts of Arod, Tex and Jeter’s contracts by enhancing the pitching quality and defense.”

    Which seems off, imo, because the defense of two of three over the last 80 or so games is better than their offense.

    As of today, Jeter has the best contract, by far.

  123. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    What cost are you willing to pay for a “cost controlled and good outfielder”, even if such a thing was on the market? If they’re good and cost controlled, why would a team trade them?

  124. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    I could see them letting Swisher walk and signing a Tori Hunter stop gap…..
    ———————

    It truly wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. He’s not the player he was, but in RF he’s still a very very good defensive player. He’s a vet who would fit in perfectly in the clubhouse and there has been no appreciable decline in his offensive numbers.

  125. 4time April 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    I could totally see Maxwell, Dickerson, Laird, or Nunez as our full-time starting OF or at least in a platoon with veterans like Jones, Abreu, Reed Johnson, Ty Wiggington, etc.

  126. blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    I think if they are going to stick to this 189 budget then they should let Swish go…..because he’s going to cost enough where they would be better off using those resources elsewhere……

  127. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    If they’re good and cost controlled, why would a team trade them?

    Why did the Tigers trade Granderson? Why did the White Sox trade Swisher?

    Both cost controlled, young, good outfielders traded to the Yankees. I am hopeful that a deal like that is out there this offseason so the Yanks don’t have to overpay for Swisher.

  128. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    That’s why the amassed so many pitchers. They are going to try to live through the latter parts of Arod, Tex and Jeter’s contracts by enhancing the pitching quality and defense.

    I think that is a strategy doomed to failure. The problem with having guys like Jeter/A-rod/Tex on the roster is that all 3 will get progressively worse year by year. Shouldn’t the strategy be to buff the rest of your offense to compensate for the “big 3? getting worse?

    =============================

    Bingo!!!…The thing is that the FO thinks that they can do this. I agree with you. Our problem was the offense going forward not the pitching, we had plenty of depth on the piching side. They traded their only short term solution to that problem.

  129. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Jeter does have the best contract so far. I think Alex will be fine. Texo is a complete albatross.

  130. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    “If they’re good and cost controlled, why would a team trade them?”

    If Cashman is right that pitching holds the keys to the kingdom, why wouldn’t they trade for an OF for a good young pitcher? I’m talking comparable talents.

  131. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    ” I think Alex will be fine.”

    For six more years?

  132. blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “What cost are you willing to pay for a “cost controlled and good outfielder”, even if such a thing was on the market? If they’re good and cost controlled, why would a team trade them?”

    Depends on the player….you’d have to find a team who has needs that match what the Yankees have to offer……that’s why I’ve mentioned Will Myers a few times….the Royals need pitching….they have three other young and good outfielders and the Yanks have some pitching to offer……doesn’t mean it would happen but Cashman should explore the options to see if he can find a match…..he may not be able to.

  133. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Torii Hunter will be 37 in july and he’s making $18 mil a year. Not much of a bargain and he’s not taking a deep cut just because they’re the Yankees.

  134. blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Chip,

    I agree…..if they can’t sign Swisher…..and can’t find a trade….then a Hunter one year deal wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world

  135. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    That’s why the amassed so many pitchers. They are going to try to live through the latter parts of Arod, Tex and Jeter’s contracts by enhancing the pitching quality and defense.

    I think that is a strategy doomed to failure. The problem with having guys like Jeter/A-rod/Tex on the roster is that all 3 will get progressively worse year by year. Shouldn’t the strategy be to buff the rest of your offense to compensate for the “big 3? getting worse?
    —————

    Acquiring pitching was done because of Alex, Tex and Jeter – but not necessarily for the same reasons the original person posted about.

    1. If you have a good, young, cost controlled rotation – that means you can spend more on other areas. For example, the Yankees won’t have to give another pitcher a 100 mil contract for quite some time.

    2. Having lots of pitching and pitching prospects enables you to trade pitching for hitting. You may ask, “well the Yankees had the hitting (Montero) and traded him for pitching so what sense does that make – trading hitting for pitching just to trade pitching for hitting again?” and you would be right that on its face it doesn’t make sense. But then you scrape off a few layers and (not to re-open old wounds) they traded hitting but the guy really had no lineup spot; for pitching that is better than what they have in the system. So if they were to turn around and trade a pitching prospect (Betances for example) for a hitter that fits in their lineup (Myers also for example) that’s better for them than having a slugging DH on a team filled with guys who need more DH at bats.

  136. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Torii Hunter will be 37 in july and he’s making $18 mil a year. Not much of a bargain and he’s not taking a deep cut just because they’re the Yankees.

    I don’t really want Torii Hunter on the Yankees but to be fair I don’t see anyone paying him more than 5 or 6 million a year when he hits the market. The market will dictate what he gets paid, not his ego.

    And Chip, he’s not that good in RF, he was basically average last year.

  137. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    The tigers also got a centerfield replacement and a pile of pitching.

  138. blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Torii Hunter will be 37 in july and he’s making $18 mil a year. Not much of a bargain and he’s not taking a deep cut just because they’re the Yankees.”

    No….he will take a deep cut because nobody is going to pay him anywhere near 18 million dollars. He will be looking at probably 5-7 million next year.

  139. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Torii Hunter will be 37 in july and he’s making $18 mil a year. Not much of a bargain and he’s not taking a deep cut just because they’re the Yankees.
    —————–

    No but he will take a deep cut because he’s 37 and no one is going to pay him that kind of money

  140. Pville April 11th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Still chafed by the way his tenure in Boston ended, former Boston Red Sox manager Terry Francona said Tuesday he would not be a part of any team festivities next week celebrating the 100th anniversary of Fenway Park.
    Francona, now a baseball analyst for ESPN, told The Boston Globe for Wednesday’s editions that “somebody went out of their way to make me look pretty bad.”
    He was referring to a Globe report which cited unnamed team sources as saying Francona’s performance as skipper in 2011 might have been affected by his troubled marriage and use of pain medication.
    “It’s a shame,” Francona told the Globe’s Dan Shaughnessy, with whom he is writing a book. “I’m sure they’ll have a great event and I was part of a lot of that stuff there, but I just can’t go back there and start hugging people and stuff without feeling a little bit hypocritical.”

    Good for him! Hopefully he sticks to it.

  141. Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Brian Cash money millionaire. Disregard females, acquire pitching.

  142. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    blake April 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    I think if they are going to stick to this 189 budget then they should let Swish go…..because he’s going to cost enough where they would be better off using those resources elsewhere……

    ======================================

    I think that they may have to choose between Grandy and Martin. II would pick Grandy, because Martin could be overpriced due to the Molina contract.

  143. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Patrick April 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    If they’re good and cost controlled, why would a team trade them?

    Why did the Tigers trade Granderson? Why did the White Sox trade Swisher?

    Both cost controlled, young, good outfielders traded to the Yankees. I am hopeful that a deal like that is out there this offseason so the Yanks don’t have to overpay for Swisher.
    —————

    I’m rooting for either Josh Reddick or Gerardo Parra. Parra probably makes the most sense since the D’Backs have Kubel and J-Ups

  144. champ809 April 11th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    They will and should look to promote from within first where an opening comes or can be created.

    In the case of Martin you have ready i house replacements in the form of Romine and Cervelli tandem until Sanchez and Murphy are ready for promotion which imo will be 2014.

    In the case of RF and Swish again the Almonte Bros are 1 good season away from being “show” ready. Early indications are that both could be in Scranton within the next couple of months and knocking on the door to the bigs.

    I think the Yanks certainly have the candidates in house in the forms of DRob, Sori and Joba in the event of the eventual retirement of Mo

  145. JobaTipsHisCap April 11th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    their rotation is thin, so basically cc has to give Yankee chance to win in his every start, this includes pitching against LAA, RANGERS and TIGERS.

  146. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Thin??? :roll:

  147. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    “I think that they may have to choose between Grandy and Martin. II would pick Grandy, because Martin could be overpriced due to the Molina contract.”

    luis

    If you look at their pre-existing commitments and the need to re-sign/extend Cano and maybe Granderson, they probably can’t sign either, especially if Granderson is in their future plans beyond 2013.

  148. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    You know the best way to pitch against elite teams? Outscore them.

  149. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    What cost are you willing to pay for a “cost controlled and good outfielder”, even if such a thing was on the market? If they’re good and cost controlled, why would a team trade them?
    —————

    To fill other needs on your team. Good, young cost controlled players get traded all the time:

    Delmon Young
    Matt Garza
    Michael Pineda
    Andre Ethier
    Carlos Quentin
    Gio Gonzalez
    Curtis Granderson
    Jesus Montero
    Josh Hamilton
    Zack Greinke
    Dan Haren
    Swisher

    I’m sure there are tons others that are escaping me at the moment.

  150. 86w183 April 11th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Just remember $ 189 M does go a long way.

    Lose Rivera, Garcia, Feliciano off this year and you save $ 23 M, lose Kuroda and that makes it $ 33, which gets them WAY under $ 189. A 2013 rotation of CC, Nova, Hughes, Pineda and a young guy could be really good.

    Eventually you hope to be able to trade young pitching for a high level bat. There will be $$$ available to make that happen.

    don’t worry… be happy

  151. MTU April 11th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Gotta run.

    TB losing. Sux losing.

    Good day so far.

    I’ll check back later.

    :)

  152. yankee21 April 11th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    We get on Swish alot because he is loud and hooray and hollywood and just so easy to like and dislike. However, NY didn’t sign him for $22 million + over 8 years so really how much should he be ragged on? The guy has been a good trade for NY overall.

    The real problem with the offense in the near term is A-rod and Tex. A-rod seems as though he can still hit but definitely not with the same power, his decline was foreseeable just a couple years drop off earlier than feared.

    When they signed Tex they expected a middle of the order bat hitting .290+ with serious pop. They paid $160 million believing they had got one of the top 10 hitters in the game.
    I would argue TEX is not even a top 10 hitting 1B anymore, much less in the game.
    Tex has not given them that payback and especially against RHP, shows no sign of doing so.
    Of course it is damn early, but really the signs so far are not good.

    Either Tex has to fix himself or NY has to solve this but what they can’t do is pretend it ain’t important. Because it is.

  153. 4time April 11th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    “You know the best way to pitch against elite teams? Outscore them.”

    Agree, but it’s now a lot harder to do without Montero here.

  154. Yank 97 April 11th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Boston trailing Toronto 3-1, End 8th.

  155. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    “I think that they may have to choose between Grandy and Martin. II would pick Grandy, because Martin could be overpriced due to the Molina contract.”

    luis

    If you look at their pre-existing commitments and the need to re-sign/extend Cano and maybe Granderson, they probably can’t sign either, especially if Granderson is in their future plans beyond 2013.

    ==============================

    I am not sure i understand you Rich. We have to resign/extend Cano, that’s priority number 1 in my book. Then you go about the other contracts….Swisher is gone, so that leaves you with Grandy and Martin. I don’t think the Yankees can afford both contracts if they want to meet the 189 mil mark. I would sign Grandy because martin is going to want a contract in line with Molina’s. Those are my asumptions….You say that when we extend Cano there won’t be enough left for either Grandy or martin?

  156. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Take care MTU, have a good one

  157. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    86w183 April 11th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Just remember $ 189 M does go a long way.

    Lose Rivera, Garcia, Feliciano off this year and you save $ 23 M, lose Kuroda and that makes it $ 33, which gets them WAY under $ 189. A 2013 rotation of CC, Nova, Hughes, Pineda and a young guy could be really good.

    Eventually you hope to be able to trade young pitching for a high level bat. There will be $$$ available to make that happen.

    don’t worry… be happy

    ========================

    Good points, but you are not taking in to account the extension of Cano, the raises of Hughes, Pineda, Drob, gardner. And resigning of either Grandy or Martin, and the raises in pay they would get.

  158. Giuseppe Franco April 11th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    So after 5 games the Yanks’ pitching is THIN???

    LOL.

  159. JobaTipsHisCap April 11th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    ROMERO will blow it?

  160. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Young was trouble in Tampa and Minnesota

    Garza was too rich for tampa (same reason Shields will get moved)

    Billy Beane thought he was stealing by moving gonzalez and got his pockets picked

    Quentin was born with bad knees

    Montero was traded because, according to a few wizards, Girardi doesn’t like hitters that could hit better than him. He and Pineda filled a need for both teams.

    Detroit didn’t come out to bad on their deal.

    hamilton? That’s trouble teams don’t need. Not to mention the fact that he can’t stay on the field.

    Swisher and guillen didn’t get along. who knows why?

    Greinke?

    ethier hasn’t done a lot in a few years.

  161. 86w183 April 11th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Obviously you don’t kow what decisions have to be made on which guys until you get to each one’s bottom line. I don’t tink Cano or Granderson is eager to move on, so lets hpe that they will be reasonable.

    Martin is problematic. No way on earth I give him anything close to the Molina contract.

    Also, Soriano’s deal expires after 2013 so there’s $$$ there too. Of course some talent for the pen will have to be found/developed.

    p.s. Justin Verlander is friggin ridiculous

  162. tomingeorgia April 11th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Strassburg in 6.1, 1 hit, sitting now at 98. Just plunked Cedeno with one of those.
    Santana 5 hits through 5. 1-0 Nats

  163. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    “I think that they may have to choose between Grandy and Martin. II would pick Grandy, because Martin could be overpriced due to the Molina contract.”

    luis

    If you look at their pre-existing commitments and the need to re-sign/extend Cano and maybe Granderson, they probably can’t sign either, especially if Granderson is in their future plans beyond 2013.
    ——————–

    I don’t think you’re taking into account just how much money is coming off the Yankees books over the next two years – money that is going to (more than likely) be replaced by inexpensive players from within the Yankee system.

    Rivera, Soriano, Burnett, Kuroda, Garcia – that’s over $40M right there over the next two years.

    If Martin is reasonable in his asking price then I don’t think there will be a problem keeping him, Cano and either Granderson or Swisher.

    Again, I think that’s the decision – Granderson or Swisher. Any combination is possible as long as you accept that one of those two will not be back.

  164. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    I think Alex will be fine for another 4 years. If anyone has the work ethic, its him. He’s already lost power and will continue to lose power, but unlike the fools Texo and Stish man, Alex will adjust.

  165. Rich in NJ April 11th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    luis

    Cot’s isn’t loading for me at the moment, but from what I have read, $189m is really $179m with mandatory expenses/benefits.

    Going into 2014, they have about $75m in CC, Tex, and A-Rod, and if Jeter plays, as I assume he will, that’s around $83m. Add about $20m for Cano, and that leaves you about $80m for the rest of the roster, even without Granderson.

    That’s not much for so many players of any quality.

  166. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    4time April 11th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
    “You know the best way to pitch against elite teams? Outscore them.”

    Agree, but it’s now a lot harder to do without Montero here.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Really battering down the fences, huh?

  167. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Top of the 9th men on 2nd and 3rd for the Sux.

  168. versonine April 11th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Good job Sergio Santos. I thought he was just going to easily blow it again.

  169. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Game over the Sux lost to the Jays 3-1

  170. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    He and Pineda filled a need for both teams.

    This answers your question as to why a team would trade a young cost controlled player

  171. luis April 11th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Rich,

    Got it. It depends on how much those guys want.

  172. RayVT April 11th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Toronto Wins 3-1

    (th
    Jacoby Ellsbury : Ball, Ball, Ball, Ellsbury walked.
    Dustin Pedroia : Strike looking, Ball, Ball, Ball, Pedroia walked, Ellsbury to second.
    Adrian Gonzalez : Strike looking, Strike swinging, Foul, Ball, Gonzalez flied out to deep center, Ellsbury to third, Pedroia to second.
    Kevin Youkilis : Strike looking, Strike looking, Ball, Foul, Ball, Youkilis struck out swinging.
    David Ortiz : Ball, Ortiz grounded out to shortstop.
    End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

  173. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Big left handed Nik Turley with 6 innings, 7 hits, 1 run, 3 walks, 4 strikeouts for Tampa. No decision. 1-1 tie in the 7th.

  174. luis April 11th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    86w183 April 11th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Obviously you don’t kow what decisions have to be made on which guys until you get to each one’s bottom line. I don’t tink Cano or Granderson is eager to move on, so lets hpe that they will be reasonable.

    Martin is problematic. No way on earth I give him anything close to the Molina contract.

    Also, Soriano’s deal expires after 2013 so there’s $$$ there too. Of course some talent for the pen will have to be found/developed.

    p.s. Justin Verlander is friggin ridiculous

    =====================================

    That’s very reasonable. But remember that Cano has Boras as his agent. I think they have plenty of options for the pen, i wouldn’t worry about it. I think Martin already rejected a reasonable offer form the club. Grandy is getting a raise or at least he is going to want one. What would be a reasonable contract for him? 4 years/ 60 mil?

  175. GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Chip April 11th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    GreenBeret7 April 11th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    He and Pineda filled a need for both teams.

    This answers your question as to why a team would trade a young cost controlled player

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    How many times do two players with that potential get moved? Not often and neither are outfieldes.

  176. 86w183 April 11th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

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    This answers your question as to why a team would trade a young cost controlled player

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    How many times do two players with that potential get moved? Not often and neither are outfieldes.
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    yes but the point is that young, good, cost controlled players do get moved.

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    One of the keys to reaching $ 189 M will be the number of near minimum type guys on the roster. If you have 6 guys at $ 500K, then the other 19 split $ 176 which is quite a lot.

    There will not be a $ 8 M plus player at every position

    Its not 19 guys splitting 176. Its 170 for 25 guys. Or 70 for 20 guys. Or 67 for 14 guys. Which is kind of difficult.

    I think it will be hard for them to get that many league minimum guys on the roster.

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    Keppinger is a player I thought the Yankees should have gotten the past few years. A really good backup.

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    Keppinger is a player I thought the Yankees should have gotten the past few years. A really good backup.
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    I’ve always liked him and Barmes for bench roles with the Yankees.

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    Feliciano $4 mil
    Chavez $1 mil
    Jones $2 mil
    Garcia $5 mil
    Kuroda $10 mil

    that’s $36 mil

    add a possible Rivera $15 mil
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    that’s about $57-65 mil dropped.

    NYYs were at $197 the last time I saw a salary fed article.

    Even adding another $7-8 mil for Cano
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    $6 mil for Martin
    $6 mil for Swisher
    $15 mil in other raises.

    Those are pretty steep raises that won’t be within $15 mil of that total and they’ll be under that target.

  190. Chip April 11th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

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    One of the keys to reaching $ 189 M will be the number of near minimum type guys on the roster. If you have 6 guys at $ 500K, then the other 19 split $ 176 which is quite a lot.

    There will not be a $ 8 M plus player at every position

    Its not 19 guys splitting 176. Its 170 for 25 guys. Or 70 for 20 guys. Or 67 for 14 guys. Which is kind of difficult.

    I think it will be hard for them to get that many league minimum guys on the roster.
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    They’ll save a ton of money in the pen and rotation. CC will probably be the only pitcher making over $10 mil by the start of the 2014 season.

  191. Jerkface April 11th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    You’re not factoring in replacing the players you’re getting rid of.

    The Yankees will have, if they re-sign Cano for 22 million, around 70 million to pay for the 20 spots not occupied by Jeter, A-rod, Tex, CC, and Cano.

    4 starters, DH, CF, RF, LF, C, the entire bench and bullpen

  192. Jerkface April 11th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    They’ll save a ton of money in the pen and rotation. CC will probably be the only pitcher making over $10 mil by the start of the 2014 season.

    This is too optimistic. We were supposed to have a cost controlled rotation of IPK, Joba, and Hughes by this point remember?

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    Reddick’s from the Savannah area and I know his family but that doesn’t mean he’s a starting outfielder. might be a decent 4th or platoon outfielder.

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    I would bet that if you removed the top 5 salaries off most teams, the remaining 20 players are probably not making $80M+ combined.

    And those teams generally aren’t competing for the WS every year either.

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    I would bet that if you removed the top 5 salaries off most teams, the remaining 20 players are probably not making $80M+ combined.

    Most other teams don’t make (and expect to make) the playoffs every year.

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