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“There’s something about going home”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 12, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Every year, I buy a small scorebook that fits perfectly in the front pocket of my computer bag. I use it for every regular season and playoff game, but I never use it in spring training. For spring training games, I always keep score on the disposable lineup sheets that are available in every press box.

Without meaning to, I used those disposable lineup sheets for the first three regular-season games against Tampa Bay. It just never occurred to me to pull out the scorebook and keep an official, lasting record.

“Opening the season in Tampa seemed kind of weird,” Derek Jeter said yesterday. “Almost like we were still in spring training because we never left.”

It really did feel that way. In the press box, writers joked that we should be able to talk to CC Sabathia in the seventh inning, just like we would in an exhibition game. Those first three games felt like a continuation of all the meaningless games the Yankees had played the previous month.

“Once we got on that plane and left Tampa,” Nick Swisher said. “I think something clicked for us to say, alright spring training’s done, and we really need to step it up.”

For whatever reason, the Yankees played better baseball in Baltimore. Of course you could argue that their opponent wasn’t nearly as good — and the Yankees certainly didn’t play perfect baseball — but they got some big hits when they needed them, the bullpen was outstanding and there were finally some signs of life in a team that didn’t have much of a spark in St. Petersburg. The rotation hasn’t looked sharp, and the middle of the order has struggled, but the Yankees have won three in row heading into today’s off day.

“All things considered, it wasn’t a terrible trip,” Mark Teixeira said. “It definitely didn’t start the way we planned on Opening Day, but it happens. We didn’t get the job done in Tampa, but we did here (in Baltimore). We fought and won two really tough games the last two nights.”

That’s true. These past two games were tough games. The Yankees blew plenty of scoring opportunities, but the bullpen kept giving the lineup chances until Swisher and Raul Ibanez finally came through with big hits. It’s still only three games, just like that opening series was only three games, but it’s a much better feeling heading into tomorrow’s home opener.

Spring training is definitely over.

“There’s something about going home,” Joe Girardi said. “And really feeling like the season’s really started when you go home.”

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181 Responses to ““There’s something about going home””

  1. Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    too fast on the new thread – I wasn’t finished trolling the last thread looking for attention

  2. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    I think GB touched on it yesterday but the Yankees have already won 2 extra inning games.

    Last season I think they only won around 4 all season.

    Gotta be another good sign.

    ;)

  3. tomingeorgia April 12th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    from mlbtr,
    Damon to sign with Indians.

  4. Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    I think that, so far, their extra inning offense is no better than it was last year…I think the difference the past two games is that our bullpen was able to wiggle out of extra inning jams, giving our boys an extra shot, when last year they would have given up that last hit.

  5. austinmac April 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Nuevo threads made me chuckle this morning.

  6. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Mac-

    I try my best.

    ;)

  7. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Buster Olney reports that he thinks that David Phelps might be a “electric reliever”.

    Really Buster ? Ya’ think.

    What fantastic insight you have.

    IMO he runs on alternative energy rather than electricty but I’m not as bright as Buster.

    ;)

  8. mick April 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    what went on last night with that ball throwing at Swisher incident?
    was it the one he hit?
    some fan seemed to cross paths with him after the game, on the field, who he had a big smile for.

    anybody know?

  9. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    The Twins Scott Baker is out for the season.

    They hope to replace him internally but what if they can’t ?

    Is there a match between us and them ?

    Get on the phone Brian and check it out dude.

    :)

  10. Tackelberry April 12th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    What do they have that we want?

  11. Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Swisher for Mauer?

  12. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Tackelberry-

    Not all that familiar with their team or farm but it’s worth looking into to see if there is a potential match.

    Perhaps someone who knows them better could comment.

  13. randy l. April 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    i wasn’t on the blog last night, but i see the montero debate flared up again.

    i’ve been telling you all for ever that the kid can catch.

    no offense, but most of you can’t tell much about a catcher until you see some results.

    you simply don’t know enough about it to watch a catcher briefly and tell if he has what it takes.

    but hey, i can’t write software or play a piano either. that’s among a myriad of other things that i can’t do that people on this blog can do without breaking a sweat.

    but it took me 30 seconds to watch him and know he can catch.

    a person knows about what he or she has spent time doing. it’s a rule in life. that’s just the way it is.

    anyway, the reason that it’s still an issue about montero is not because people are fixated on him. everyone gets it that he’s gone. the problem is the person or persons who made the evaluation that he couldn’t catch are still making evaluations for the yankees.

    who else are they going to evaluate wrong?

    if you care about the yankees, you need to care about people in management who made the montero mistake and who may be making other mistakes in judgement even right this moment for all we know.

    no one is looking backward. it’s a present problem.

  14. Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Randy – You mean to tell me you’ve been faking the piano all these years?

  15. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Has fem been around this morning?

    Her Pens had a tough night..

  16. vinny-b April 12th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    randy:

    thanks. I respect the view/knowledge you shared

  17. Tackelberry April 12th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Really Randy? So why aren’t you a scout then? And why do scouts all over baseball have the same opinion on Montero about his catching skills longterm? Oh wait don’t tell me. YOu’re right and they are all wrong.

  18. Tackelberry April 12th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Rangers quest for The Cup begins tonight.

    GO RANGERS!!

  19. Erin April 12th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Shame- I can’t believe I missed a “Chad’s girls” shout out yesterday!! ;)

  20. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    4:26 Comment From Chads Girls
    I’m still waiting for my shout out, Chad.

    4:26
    Always a pleasure to see you all.

    ——————————————————

    I’m still on cloud 9 :) I’m going to keep posting this to make sure upstate kate sees lol.

    (Rangers suck)

  21. Doc Iac April 12th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    glad someone picked up Damon, i hope he gets 3000

  22. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    And in other news.

    Charles Manson was denied parole for like the umpteenth time.

    He’s 77 now.

    He won’t be eligible again for 15 years.

    Can someone please tell me why the taxpayers had to feed, clothe, and support that piece of human refuse for all these years ?

    I thought these were hard times ?

    What a waste of money.

    :(

  23. blake April 12th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    keithlaw @keithlaw 9h I don’t trust Johnny Damon as far as he can throw.

  24. Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    I’m more interested in watching Mystery Science Theater 3000 than watching Damon go for 3000

  25. longtimefan April 12th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    They say all the right things to the press but fact is Arod–.174, Tex .200 and Swisher till the hr.
    .208 have looked pretty bad at the plate, also Cano doesn’t look very good, this weekend competition gets tougher

  26. DONNYBROOK April 12th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Thought the O’s defense was More responsible for the Yanks last 2 W’s, than the Yanks were. Girardi puts Grandy back into that 2 Slot Honey Hole, and BANG. Gutsy move by Girardi walking the bases loaded in the 9th with 3B open. Also thought Soriano showed no fear after being forced into that tough situation by Girardi. The HP Ump also put some added pressure on Soriano when he missed the 1st pitch strike.

  27. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Blake-

    And I wouldn’t trust Keith Law with a can opener so there’s that.

    :)

  28. Tackelberry April 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Campos off to a great start in Charleston. Five hitless innings last night. Starting to look like Pineda was the throw-in in the deal. Also excited about Bryan Mitchell. Has great stuff. Potential to be a number 1 or 2 starter.

  29. blake April 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    MTU,

    I don’t know….ole Keith seems to know his way around a kitchen ;)

  30. Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    MTU – with your permission, can we have a contest for everyone to guess what the acronym MTU actually stands for?

  31. blake April 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    The Yanks have a bunch of exciting pitching prospects…..anybody heard anything about Depaula and how he’s doing in Tampa? Campos may not be at Charleston very long…..

  32. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Blake-

    Really ?

    Has he been to the Pete Abraham school of sports nutrition then.

    :)

  33. blake April 12th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    MTU,

    Yea….that’s like all he talks about is cooking….

  34. randy l. April 12th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    “Randy – You mean to tell me you’ve been faking the piano all these years?”

    you ever see a catcher’s fingers?

    i couldn’t play mary had a little lamb.

    it goes beyond broken fingers. there was a problem of no talent and never doing it.

    the weird thing is i have serious musician friends. one woman i know plays one of the few stradivarius cello in the world ( there are 60).

    now she knows more about music than i know about catching because she practiced ten hours a day with one of the top teachers in the world. he was in my cape cod town. just dies last year. bernard greenhouse.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01.....wanted=all

    my friend played the cello at his memorial. my point is here that people pay their dues by their experiences in life. there is no short cut. you do the work. you practice 8-10 hours a day for decades.

    had i practiced more baseball i would be talking to you morons :)

    but back to the point, montero can catch.
    someone still there making decisions made a big mistake.
    it’s a present problem.

  35. blake April 12th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    I don’t know if the Twins having anything worth trading for……they are an absolute mess right now.

  36. blake April 12th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Id trade for Mauer if Minny would eat half his contract…..that’s about it.

  37. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Blake-

    Nobody good OF prospects at AAA ?

    I think Span was traded wasn’t he ?

  38. Stottlemyre68 April 12th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    I would like to see Joe go with a long man for more than just a couple of innings in a game that’s tied or the Yanks are close behind in the middle innings or in extra innings. Phelps looks great so far and, as he’s been prepared to be a starter, should be able to give you 4-5 innings if needed. That puts much less of a strain on the rest of the pen and makes it easier for Joe to live by his “nobody pitches 3 days in a row” rule. Of course, that rule goes out the window in the postseason . . . .

  39. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Randy-

    What you are saying is that guys like Girardi, Pena, Wynegar, etc. don’t know diddley then.

    Right ?

    I’m sure they had to be consulted on a regular basis.

  40. DONNYBROOK April 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Minn has value in their bullpen. Joe “No Power” Mauer at 1\2 price and a yrs supply of shampoo aint worth it.

  41. Tackelberry April 12th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    blake April 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
    The Yanks have a bunch of exciting pitching prospects…..anybody heard anything about Depaula and how he’s doing in Tampa? Campos may not be at Charleston very long…..

    _______________________________________________________

    DePaula still at EXT ST since he arrived so late. Heard he could be headed to Charleston next month.

  42. blake April 12th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    MTU,

    I don’t think they have anybody close that’s any good…..I think their best prospects is a 3B (Miguel Sano) ….but I think he’s aways away. ..

  43. mick April 12th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Randy makes it all so sim

  44. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    MTU – with your permission, can we have a contest for everyone to guess what the acronym MTU actually stands for?
    ————————–

    :lol:

  45. DONNYBROOK April 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    CC continues to show he is a warm weather Chucker. Yea, I know about the indoors\Tampa.

  46. blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Id guess Depaula will stop at SI first once he leaves Tampa ……but he’s 21 already so they’ll move him fast if he’s ready for it.

  47. Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    way way WAY off topic, but I’m still carryign this torch for everyone
    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

  48. mick April 12th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Randy makes it all so simple for us to understand since we are indeed morons.
    Whether we made a mistake with Montero will take years to know.
    Instead of fixating why not look ahead.
    We have a team always ready to win it all.
    We have a farm system laden with pitching and top prospects.
    We also got 2 top pitching prospects back in that deal, one of which, Campos, appears to be the real deal.
    It’s time to move on but we are morons , so what do we know.
    Is a one trick pony equivalent to beating a dead horse?

  49. randy l. April 12th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    for anyone who’s interested in seeing bernard greenhouse play the stradivarius

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQcJ-iDe5FI

    my friend is playing piano though she was his student on the cello.

  50. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    How about letting Campos get in some innings before moving him around. He won’t be 20 until July and still doesn’t even have 200 innings in the minors. People on here complain (whine) about the Yankees not developing pitchers or getting them hurt, and the first thing people want to do is push them as fast as possible before they’re ready. Let the damned players grow and mature.

  51. mick April 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    CC continues to show he is a warm weather Chucker. Yea, I know about the indoors\Tampa.
    ==========================
    Warm weather is what CC wants, not AC.

  52. NYYanksFan April 12th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    “They say all the right things to the press but fact is Arod–.174, Tex .200 and Swisher till the hr.
    .208 have looked pretty bad at the plate, also Cano doesn’t look very good, this weekend competition gets tougher”

    Pujols, Wells, Aybar and Callaspo’s averages aren’t alot better.

  53. Doc Iac April 12th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    mick April 12th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    after reading all the comments randy made, ive come to the conclusion he is Monteros mom, so its his/her duty as a mother to defend her son

  54. Hassey April 12th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Can’t we all just get along?

  55. DONNYBROOK April 12th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    VERY early in the season to be running Mo out there 3 straight. Guess you gotta be a Regular to get any respect.

  56. blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    “How about letting Campos get in some innings before moving him around. He won’t be 20 until July and still doesn’t even have 200 innings in the minors.”

    Innings are innings….its early yes but Banuelos is about the same age and is in AAA…..they’ll manage his innings this year but if its clear that he’s not being challenged in low A then there is no point in keeping him there….too early to make that call now though yes.

  57. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Randy-

    Your friend is not only talented but beautiful as well.

    What would a “strad” like that fetch ?

    A pretty penny no doubt even IF you could get one.

    I’ve heard geting one can be like getting season tickets to Packers games.

    Someone pretty much has to die first.

    :)

  58. DONNYBROOK April 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Montero continues to be Slow moving to his left or right. Happened again last night, with a ball to the backstop, and Montero licking the finger on his bare hand that he flung out at the ball as it passed him by.The Cigar Store Indian at the 5-And-Dime has the same move.

  59. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    It’s 11 innings. You and the others have plenty of time talking about how NYYs can’t develope pitchers and only ruin them.

  60. blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    What I mean is that Campos isn’t goin to learn anything if he continues to mow down Sally league hitters…..its just two starts though so we’ll see……but 1 hit in 11 innings is a pretty impressive start and suggests he may just be overwhelming the kids in that league.

  61. randy l. April 12th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    “What you are saying is that guys like Girardi, Pena, Wynegar, etc. don’t know diddley then.

    Right ?

    I’m sure they had to be consulted on a regular basis.”

    mtu-

    there’s something weird going on there. the only way i can explain it is that experts disagree sometimes .

    they clearly did not take the kid under their wing.

    i read there were lots of yankee people who didn’t think jeter could play shortstop when he was making 45 errors in the early minors. they wanted him to go to center field. clete boyer took him under his wing and helped fix the errors.

    maybe montero needed that by some yankee coach.
    it’s pretty obvious he had no clete boyer believing in him.

    now he has a manager who was a catcher who thinks he can catch and believes in him as a catcher.
    all the difference between making it and not making it.

  62. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Off topic but I’m still laughing at Dwyane Wade.

  63. blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    “It’s 11 innings. You and the others have plenty of time talking about how n’t develope pitchers and only ruin them.”

    Don’t think I said they should move him now did I?….if he’s still putting up those numbers in June though….maybe…..development doesn’t mean leave a guy in a league he’s dominating …..so we’ll see how he does.

  64. blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Also….the only pitcher I’ve said the Yanks may have ruined is Joba…..I don’t have a huge issue with how they’ve handled anyone else including Hughes….

  65. Bronx Jeers April 12th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    What would a “strad” like that fetch ?

    A pretty penny no doubt even IF you could get one.

    I’ve heard geting one can be like getting season tickets to Packers games.

    Someone pretty much has to die first.

    —————————

    Actually Greenhouse did die last year. And his cello sold recently for about 6 million.

  66. DONNYBROOK April 12th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Montero is currently the equivalent of Paladin. “Have Bat-Will Travel”.

  67. randy l. April 12th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “What would a “strad” like that fetch ?”

    mtu-

    i think like 6- 10 million.

    for decades, in my cape cod town, you would see a stranger get off the bus carrying a cello case. usually a young college age student. they came from all over the world to study with bernard greenhouse. jou-an was one of those students who i got to know from coming by my gallery to buy earrings for performances. we got to be friends over the years.

  68. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Randy-

    It is wierd I guess.

    I am about as far from an expert as you can be but in the little I saw I thought Montero had some ability and a ton of desire.

    He seemed to have a strong arm and his throwing times were reasonable.

    Reasonably soft hands receiving the ball.

    Where it seemed like he needed improvement was in blocking balls.

    He seemed a little slow in that regard and I think you said he was at the time.

    They tried to change his technique to improve the problem and I don’t know if it helped much or not.

    It’s possible that he may never be very good at that aspect of catching ?

    Anyway, he’s getting his chance in Seattle and time will tell if he has what it takes to Catch.

    Seattle can certainly use his bat either way.

  69. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Randy/jeers -

    That’s a lot of moolah for a nicely shaped hunk of tree.

    :)

  70. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Campos has 90 innings in the Vensuelian League and 80 innings in pro ball. Last night, the talk was “Who soon will Campos be in Trenton.” He needs to get at least 125-130 innings at each level to keep from repeating the Hughes, Kennedy, Chamberlain problems. Let him learn off speed pitches instead of moving up and getting discouraged be getting bombed. There are very few openings at the upper levels now. Let him earn a spot, like the others ahead of him have. He’s learning plenty. Let him grow up…learn English, how to balance a check book…make sure that he knows how to get in shape and stay in shape. Obviously, it not something that seattle tends to do any more than NY does.

  71. blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    The reason I wanted to keep Montero had little to do with his catching ability…..but its over andthe done with…..he’s a Mariner now just like IPK is a dback and AJax is a Tiger…..

  72. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Randy-

    You were lucky to meet her. Looks like a lovely lady.

    Bet you get to meet all sorts of interesting people in a place like that.

    Out here we get to meet a few desert tortoises once in a while but that’s about it.

    :)

  73. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    ***Venezuelan***

  74. blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    “Campos has 90 innings in the Vensuelian League and 80 innings in pro ball. Last night, the talk was “Who soon will Campos be in Trenton.”

    I didn’t say anything about Trenton this year at all….maybe Tampa by the 2nd half.

  75. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    I didn’t say or even hint that you said trenton.

  76. Tackelberry April 12th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
    The reason I wanted to keep Montero had little to do with his catching ability…..but its over andthe done with…..he’s a Mariner now just like IPK is a dback and AJax is a Tiger…..

    ______________________________________________
    Exactly. Thats why I wihs people would let it go and move on.

  77. RayVT April 12th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    How about Wang?

  78. blake April 12th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    “How about Wang?”

    I think you could argue they screwed up his rehab….but not really his development

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Where it seemed like he needed improvement was in blocking balls.

    He seemed a little slow in that regard and I think you said he was at the time.

    They tried to change his technique to improve the problem and I don’t know if it helped much or not.

    It’s possible that he may never be very good at that aspect of catching ?
    ///

    ARLINGTON, Texas — Jesus Montero got his first start of the season behind home plate and immediately made an impact defensively.

    Montero was able to block a first-inning pitch in the dirt from Kevin Millwood on Wednesday night to keep a pair of runners from advancing.
    ////

    Seems as though there is some progress in that area.

    My own thoughts: I never caught but I also never had the sense that Montero was bound for disaster behind the plate.

    In fact, I had that ‘reports of his ineptitude behind the plate have been greatly exaggerated’ impression as soon the first time I saw him catch in Trenton. Nothing I saw after that made me doubt my initial impression; I thought his ‘lack’ of athleticism was another fiction; his arm was strong – he had more trouble throwing the ball down to 3B (slow to gather it and release) than gettting off a timely accurate (and strong) throw to 2B. He’s generally a little lead footed, but that didn’t appear fatal, either, in terms of being adequate back there. You can be adequate if you’re bound for a .950-1. OPS lifetime at the plate, and I have zero doubt that this would have been fulfilled in the confines of Yankee Stadium.

    I wasn’t in there last night, but a look back at the comments – and how incredibly mild they were on Montero: more focused on genuine exchanges between folks and regulars who were interested in how he was doing, than some gratuitous “troll” stuff that the seething are clearly single-mindedly obsessed with – makes me really SMH at the comments of MG, who called out regular and super sold Yankee posters for behaving like spurned lovers, rather than just being interested in how a guy with major upside, whom they’ve watched grow in the system, was doing last night, in a later game than the Yankees’ game. Those posters are good Yankee fans who discuss Yankee matters all the time in here.

  80. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    I hope Randy does not mind me speaking for him, or trying to interpret his comments a bit.

    If I get him right he is not so much concerned about the loss of Montero in and of itself but in the decision making process that lead up to it.

    I think he thinks that process was flawed and that it has more general implications for the Yankees
    going forward.

    Randy.

    I apologize in advance if I have misunderstood or misrepresented your position but to the best of
    my ability that is what I see as what is truly the heart of your concern.

    P.S. I also understand that you hold Cashman responsible for things like that since he is like the Captain of the ship.

  81. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    JAP – He isn’t getting called He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named for nothing ;)

    It seems like the crew of people obsessed with squashing any mention of his name are equally as vigorous as anyone on here who would still like to discuss his progress. There’s definitely a pot/kettle situation going on here….

  82. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    MTU April 12th, 2012 at 10:57 am
    I hope Randy does not mind me speaking for him, or trying to interpret his comments a bit.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    So, now you’re an expert in the mumble and slur language as well?

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    maybe montero needed that by some yankee coach.
    it’s pretty obvious he had no clete boyer believing in him.
    ///

    Yogi had Dickey to help steer him right. It’s downright disappointing that Girardi, along with Pena, didn’t embrace the mentorship of Montero – even if it took some time to get him where they wanted him to be.

  84. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    JAP-

    Rather than attacking peoples contrary opinions I try to understand the essence of what they have say even if I strongly disagree with it.

    Provided it is offere in a genuine and respectful manner.

    It can get a bit tedious trying to get to the core of things sometimes but for me it’s generally worth it.

    We all tend to have our particular obssesions.

    Mine is pitching, for example.

    I really love discussing it almost ad infinitum.

    Anyone can become a so-called one-trick pony when their passion becomes involved.

    :)

  85. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    GB-

    I’m practicing.

    Goin’ for the record.

    :)

  86. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Girardi and Pena didn’t make the trade. Cashman didn’t want a catcher that could hit better than him.

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Shame Spencer April 12th, 2012 at 10:59 am
    JAP – He isn’t getting called He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named for nothing

    It seems like the crew of people obsessed with squashing any mention of his name are equally as vigorous as anyone on here who would still like to discuss his progress. There’s definitely a pot/kettle situation going on here….
    ///

    Yea I agree. They can go F themselves :D.

    What I find particularly laughable is people who ridicule those of us who see Montero as a can’t miss bat (btw, the general consensus among “scouts”, but NM that), because he has to “prove it,” but they’ve already got A-ball Campos as an ace. Now, I like what I saw of Campos on video, but these people (not talking about posters like Blake and that ilk), who never have a qualitative thing to say about ANYTHING, and who have expressed a zero lack of curiosity about Banuelos, Betances, etc., are now waving a torch for Campos as being the “real jewel” of this trade…that’s the most hypocritical, laughable part of all this.

  88. DONNYBROOK April 12th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Stuff goes on in the locker room we know Nothing about. Pena has Always been good in the “mentoring” dept. Gotta be something we are Not seeing that looms large.

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:05 am
    JAP-

    Rather than attacking peoples contrary opinions I try to understand the essence of what they have say even if I strongly disagree with it.
    ///

    Well, you’re one of the exceptions ;)

  90. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    GB-

    I’m practicing.

    Goin’ for the record.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Set the record beyond reach. Don’t pull a Ruth or Gehrig and stop where somebody can top your mark. Go for 50 or 60 languages and sub-languages. There is one person that speaks snake. HIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

  91. CountryClub April 12th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    A funny must read Deadspin article on the “end” of Rivera

    http://deadspin.com/5901123/?u.....socialflow

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Even the stupid radio guys are pre-empting criticism of Rivera. An April blown save by Rivera is simply a rite of spring. It’s a save with an inherent wink.

  93. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    GB-

    Thanks GB. I’ll keep tryin’.

    I actually miss Erica a great deal.

    She had a wonderful sense of humor and was really quite intelligent.

    Some of her stories really cracked me up.

    :)

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    *a blown save with a wink, that is.

  95. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    JAP – I don’t know that those are always the same groups of people, so I won’t comment on your example directly but what I find particularly laughable is when a group of people discuss something (often; no mistaking that) and are told by another group of people to stop discussing said subject ..equally as often. They get caught up in the same circular thing they seem determined to avoid. Very amusing. It’s as if you can only discuss a move in a vacuum and it is somehow never relevant to any future decisions/discussions.. I get that people think the subject is tired, but all this blog is for half of us is a time suck so I’m not sure what people expect.

  96. CountryClub April 12th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Via Baseball America/River Ave Blues:

    Manny Banuelos and Ramon Flores are the second youngest players in the Triple-A International League and High-A Florida State League, respectively. Not too shabby.

  97. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    There is one person that speaks snake. HIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    ————————-

    Voldemort.

  98. Tackelberry April 12th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    I have no problem with the discussion of Montero’s progress or rooting for him. My isue is the continued bashing and critcizing of Cashman and the FO for the trade as it is over and done with. It is not going to be undone. Besides, we truly won’t get a sense of how the trade worked out for a couple of years. We have to see how Pineda works out th rest of the season and how Campos develops. Lets give it some time

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Shame, that’s why I exempted a certain kind of poster. To your other point, yes, it drags out the subject, instead of letting it come and go in the natural flow.

  100. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Pineda is from the DR.

    But if he doesn’t work out I say we send him back to Grenada.

    Pineda to Grenada.

    Has a certain “ring’ to it.

    :)

  101. tomingeorgia April 12th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    JAP,
    Is Montero scheduled to catch this afternoon? If so, it’ll be my first time seeing him behind the plate.

  102. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Tom-

    Just curious.

    How many rooms does your place have ?

  103. blake April 12th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    The Mariners don’t care if Montero catches….I mean they care…..but that’s not why they traded two high upside pitchers for him.

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Tackelberry, I feel no obligation to go soft on the FO for making this trade. You may have more of an “open mind” about it; or you don’t see that they gave up much, or that what they gave up had a critical function in improving what may ail this team in the present, and two years ahead, before the Sanchez-Bichette-Willians-Santana era has a chance to dig its heels in. Your perspective against mine. Now if Pineda turns into a frontlne ace who eats innings ala CC Sabathia, and Campos is the like, they’ll have gotten something good for Jesus Montero, but they already had pitching. However, I have no reason to make a pretense of a “wait and see” mode on Montero; writing’s on the wall: that’s why the deal sucks, and why I now lack faith in Cashman/Girardi.

  105. randy l. April 12th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “If I get him right he is not so much concerned about the loss of Montero in and of itself but in the decision making process that lead up to it.

    I think he thinks that process was flawed and that it has more general implications for the Yankees
    going forward.”

    Mtu

    You have it exactly right

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    tomingeorgia April 12th, 2012 at 11:27 am
    JAP,
    Is Montero scheduled to catch this afternoon? If so, it’ll be my first time seeing him behind the plate.
    ///

    tom, I don’t think so, but I wouldn’t know. He did get jammed on the thumb and was shaking his his right hand, so that may scare ‘em. Wedge said he doesn’t want to define anything yet; he’s got Oliva, Montero, Jaso to shift around. I’d guess they’ll be judicious with Montero back there, simply to spare his bat.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Thought he hailed from a Pine Forest :D. That would mean good genes, some of those stand tall for hundreds of years.

  108. blake April 12th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “He did get jammed on the thumb and was shaking his his right hand, so that may scare ‘em.”

    This is exactly why Im not even sure Id want him to be a full time catcher even if he could be…..if the Mariners think he’s a Miguel Cabrera type bat…..which it seems they do given what they gave up….then you don’t want that guy banged up with jammed thumbs and sore shins and stuff all the time….you want him 100% and hitting in the middle of your lineup

  109. DONNYBROOK April 12th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    While catching, Montero took a ball off the bare hand, that he failed to get his body in front of. Not sure where this “got jammed” came from.

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    And really, this view of Girardi, sitting on a fence, twiddling his thumbs while they made this decision, is silly. Girardi doesn’t have sign off power, but to suggest his voice didn’t carry a good deal of weight is wishful thinking by some here.

    He sure wasn’t in there saying, ‘I can make this kid a catcher – let me work with him; his bat is too valuable to give up.” Montero needed someone with clout to be his advocate; the fact that there might be that person in the decision making process is a concern in and of itself, considering the magnitude of the upside here.

  111. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    JAP-

    Yes they do. I see them all the time and I can attest to it.

    Randy-

    Glad I got it right. Thanks.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    blake, I think that’s what they’ll do – give him most of his time at DH for that very reason. We’ll see – he looked pretty natural back there last night.

  113. MTU April 12th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Nuevo hilo amigos ——>

  114. GreenBeret7 April 12th, 2012 at 11:50 am

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    http://web.yesnetwork.com/news.....d=28011356

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    *might NOT be that person among them…

    Even I have reached my limit discussing this. I frankly don’t care much what the abstract ‘Lohud community’ thinks of the trade. Speaking of abstractions, let’s hope the Pine Tree leaves the forest where no witness lurks and joins his teammates sometime soon to make a real impact on Yankee fortunes.

    To Montero, I wish continued success and fulfillment of what made the Yankees outbid others for him in the first place.

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