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Yankees rotation auditions not going well

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 17, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The auditions by Freddy Garcia and Phil Hughes to stay in the Yankees’ rotation aren’t going great.

Garcia gave up five runs and nine hits in 5 2/3 Monday night in losing to the Twins after throwing five wild pitches in his first start at Baltimore, and he only made it through 4 2/3 in that one, a no-decision. His ERA stands at 6.97. Hughes hasn’t made it through five yet. He’s 0-2 with a 9.00 ERA after two starts.

But there are more auditions coming for them, still time to try to save their spots. Andy Pettitte could have four or five minor-league starts left before he’s ready. Michael Pineda hasn’t started his rehab assignment, but he did throw 28 pitches in a bullpen session yesterday, using his full assortment. Girardi said he will throw another bullpen session in two or three days, and then they’ll see what’s next. Girardi also said he isn’t going to go with a six-man rotation.

“We’ve got to see how guys are throwing,” Joe Girardi said. “I think that’s the easiest way to do it. We’re all assuming that Andy’s going to get back to where he is. I’m one of those guys who kind of has that belief, too. But we’ve got to make sure.

“I try not to worry about things that aren’t right in front of me. We’re a ways away. As a manager, you’ve got enough issues to handle on that day and the next two days that I try not to think 25 days ahead. … Issues that come up, I’m not going to try to predict them.”

What do you think is going to happen? Garcia or Hughes to the pen and Pineda to the minors? We’ll probably see next month.

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258 Responses to “Yankees rotation auditions not going well”

  1. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    I think Pettitte is likely to replace Freddy.

    I hope Hughes starts nailing it.

    If he doesn’t then Pineda or Phelps are both options to replace him.

    The better of those 2 should get the final spot.

    Before the TD either freddy or phil get moved.

    Maybe both.

  2. Hassey April 17th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    At this point, if Ethel Merman auditions, I’d give her the role over them

  3. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    “Matt Moore, consensus candidate for ROY has been the worst starter for the Rays so far. ERA 5.54 SO/9 6.23″

    I don’t care how talented a guy is….its no cake walk breaking in the big leagues.

    MTU,

    The issue with Hughes though…..would his trade value outweigh his value in the bullpen if he’s the odd man out? I theory I agree with you….Id rather keep hin a starter and deal him than put him back in the pen….and that’s been my stance in the past…..but on second thought….if he’s not pitching well enough to stay in the rotation then how much trade value will be actually have? Would they be better off letting hin pitch in the pen?

    I don’t trust Soriano at all…I don’t like his stuff…..I don’t like his demeanor …..he scares me to death in big spots…..would Hughes help in the pen….perhaps more than he’d be worth in a trade? I think maybe so….

  4. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    If I have to predict right now:

    Garcia -> Pettitte

    Hughes -> Pineda

    Hughes to bullpen, replaces Wade.

    Garcia… traded? Or he takes Phelps’ spot and Phelps goes back to the minors to continue starting until needed? Although I don’t think Phelps has anything left to prove in the minors, just a tactical move. I’d rather see Garcia traded and Phelps stay long man and possible replacement starter, for now.

    Very impressed with Phelps so far, but I think Pettitte and Pineda will and should get priority.

  5. austinmac April 17th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Blake,

    I think I agree if he doesn’t pitch better as a starter then it’s Hughes to the pen, perhaps replacing Wade. I don’t see he has much trade value. He hasn’t pitch well as a starter in nearly two years. Who will give up value for that.

  6. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    These are the current Yankee pitching stats:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/st.....rk-yankees

    By mid May:
    Pettitte in the rotation, Garcia traded if the Yankees can find a taker.
    Pineda, if ready will be in the minors to regain his blazing fastball and hone the CU.
    Possibly, Phelps if he continues to impress, will already have taken Hughes spot with Hughes in bullpen.

    By mid June:
    Rotation-Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte, Nova, Pineda if all healthy.
    Bullpen-Phelps, Hughes, Logan, Wade/Mitchell/or other, Soriano, Robertson, Rivera

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 17th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    I have no predictions. I just wonder if the audition has gotten into both their heads.

  8. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    “Verlander seems superhuman.”

    naw, he’s just coached by one of my old daytona explorer buddies .

    i caught jeff, gave him the secret magic touch, and he’s passing it on to verlander

    jeff jones was a pretty good pitcher before he got hurt

    another one of billy’s boys

    as much as some people bash martin , his legacy is still in the game through players he brought up to the majors .

  9. austinmac April 17th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Hassey,

    That may be the first Ethel Merman reference ever on the blog. I approve.

  10. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Jacksquat,

    I think as of right now…..that’s what most likely to happen……

    I think Andy will replace Garcia……Garcia will go to the pen. Phelps may go back down to stay stretched out (though honestly I like having him in the pen….he’s been really valuable out there so far)…….and then hopefully they’ll let Hughes start until Pineda is 100% ready and then make a decision.

  11. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    I think we are all on the same page here. And yes Blake, Soriano definitely doesn’t instill any confidence in me either, but in all likelihood is untradeable, unless the Yankees eat most of that Levine bloated contract.

  12. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    I wouldn’t replace Wade with Hughes….id put Hughes in Sorianos role and kick he and Wade down the depth chart….

    Reliever Hughes > Soriano.

  13. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Blake-

    How much of a market is there for a fairly expensive reliever who is just going to get more expensive ? Or a young project starter ?

    I think the Yankees could swap Phelps and Hughes anytime they are so inclined.

    And they might just do that if Phil does start showing the full Monty.

    Do I think Hughes would make a very good to excellent reliever ?

    Absolutely.

    Do we really need another reliever ?

    Not really IMO. Plenty of options.

    As to Sorryano. What can I say ?

    I was in favor because I thought we were getting the TB version.

    That’s not what we’ve seen so far.

    I’m afraid he’s ours to keep. Just have to hope he finds the form that made us want him in the 1st place.

  14. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I coukd coach Verlander and he’d still be unbelievable …..best pure arm since Nolan Ryan….I don’t even know Nolan could sit at 100 after 130 pitches…..Verlander is a freak of nature.

  15. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    edit: that’s doesn’t show the full monty. sorry.

  16. sunny615 April 17th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Pettitte replaces Garcia
    Pineda replaces Hughes

    Garcia traded for a box of tissues
    Hughes optioned to AAA to work on his control

  17. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    What value does anyone see putting Garcia in the pen. Trust him to come in and get batters out with men on base? Strikeout or inning ending DP? Unless he does a complete turnaround these next couple games vs the RS/Tigers/Rangers, his value might only be mop up.

  18. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    blake-

    Verlander is an Outlander.

    I told u.

    He’s bionic.

    At least the arm is.

    :)

  19. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    “How much of a market is there for a fairly expensive reliever who is just going to get more expensive ? Or a young project starter ?”

    When the young project starter is so close to being a FA and is kinda expensive I don’t know KC there is mich market for either…..I think if Hughes pitched well and started looking like he’s progressing into a solid big league starter then he’d have value ….but not if he pitches his way out of the rotation and continues to pile up high pitch counts.

  20. Tackelberry April 17th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I don’t get the Soriano hate. The guy has hardly been used so far, so h was a little rusty the other night. When he came back last season after his injury, he was terrific. I think he’ll be fine once he settles into a regular routine

  21. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I don’t believe the Yankees would send Hughes to AAA rather than using him out of the pen.

    But I’m prepared to be surprised.

    That’s if Phil doesn’t start nailing it first.

    Which I am still gonna hope for.

  22. LGY April 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    I would replace Rapada or Logan with Hughes before Wade.

  23. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    “Hughes optioned to AAA to work on his control”

    He can say no to that though soon….and with only a year of control left after this year I think the Yanks would chose to get value out of him as a reliever…..if he gets bounced from the rotation again I think the starter development with Hughes as a Yankee is over….

  24. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Blake-

    What you said on Hughes.

    Agree 100 %.

    If he doesn’t pitch better his value plummets.

  25. Hassey April 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    these guys are still very funny

    http://www.johnsterling.blogsp.....fense.html

  26. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    “I would replace Rapada or Logan with Hughes before Wade.”

    Agreed….replace Rapada…..he’s one dimensional and Girardi doesn’t even use him right anyway…..

  27. JobaTipsHisCap April 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    attention should be focused on ace CC now.

    He needs to pitch a clean and dominant game; he hasn’t done so for a long time. tonight and Sunday night vs. Sux are his opportunities.

  28. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    the best thing for pineda would be if the yankees don’t need him.

    he will be “rushed” if they need him.

    that’s just a given.

    if the yankees want to ruin the kid and turn him into a erratic problem like hughes, they should follow the hughes plan and bring him up because of need rather than him being ready for prime time.

    they could say he has nothing else to learn at AAA just like they did with hughes. they could point to his stats last year the way they do with hughes when he had successes, but if he’s “rushed”, when 3-4 years go by, it’ll be hughes-like deja vu all over again.

  29. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    “I don’t get the Soriano hate.”

    I don’t hate him…..I just think Hughes as a reliever is probably better than him. Personally I don’t think Soriano really likes his role…..I just don’t trust him….

  30. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    randy-

    Agree 100%.

    And I hope, though I doubt, that’s the way things get done.

    Pineda needs to be at or near full capacity before they bring him back.

    If he needs more time Phelps can certainly hold the fort IMO.

  31. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Randy,

    I agree….I think it’d be best if the Yanks don’t need Pineda and they can wait until he is fully ready to roll before putting him in the rotation…

  32. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    In 2009, Hughes was the 2nd best set-up man, after Matt Thornton, in the AL.
    Of course, then he was able to dial the fastball up to 95-96 and throw high heat.

    I agree that Hughes, if placed in the bullpen, might only start again, as a pitcher for another team, especially when Chamberlain comes back.

  33. sunny615 April 17th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    If Pineda can return before June and Hughes is still struggling, they should option him back to AAA to regain control of his pitches.

  34. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    So far….the projected star power at Charleston is living up to expectations……with an under the radar guy leading the way in Tyler Austin. This time next year there coukd be 4 top 50 prospects from that club.

  35. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Earlier prediction when Pettitte comes back.

    By mid May:
    Pettitte in the rotation, Garcia traded if the Yankees can find a taker.
    Pineda, if ready will be in the minors to regain his blazing fastball and hone the CU.
    Possibly, Phelps if he continues to impress, will already have taken Hughes spot with Hughes in bullpen.

  36. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I last night that Pineda has now lost all of the excess weight he brought into camp.

    That be a full 20 lbs.

    :)

  37. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    “If Pineda can return before June and Hughes is still struggling, they should option him back to AAA to regain control of his pitches.”

    Again….by then Hughes will have the right to say no to a AAA option.

  38. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    edit: I heard

  39. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    So far…..only Kuroda and Nova have turned in good starts this season…..hopefully CC will join the crowd tonight….

  40. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    I think we can all agree (finally) that Hughes and Freddy are the odd men out and the rotation will be CC-Kuroda-Pettitte-Nova-Pineda with Phelps ready in AAA.

    The spare parts don’t hold much trade value but they probably don’t really help the team much either.

    I could see Phil Hughes, Freddy Garcia and Rafael Soriano dealt before the deadline and not much coming back in return.

    Guys I would take for Hughes:

    Seth Smith
    Chase Headley
    Jose Tabata
    Eric O’Flaherty
    Martin Prado

  41. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    I’m not gonna write off Phil Hughes or Freddy Garcia just yet.

    They do have several hungry dogs nippin’ at their heels though.

    That should keep them motivated.

    ;)

  42. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Charleston future starting players for the Yankees:
    Austin RF
    Williams CF
    Bichette 3B
    Sanchez-C
    Campos-Ace

    Current stats:

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....8;sid=t233

  43. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    YT-

    Nice dreamin’.

    Keep it up.

    :)

  44. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    I could see Phil Hughes, Freddy Garcia and Rafael Soriano dealt before the deadline and not much coming back in return.”

    They wont trade that much bullpen depth…..unless they can get something good for Hughes they’ll add him to their pen depth and he’d probably wind up being the next option after Robertson.

  45. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    I really wish I coukd see some video of Campos…..it sounds like he’s just overwhelming that league so far.

    The only really bad thing about the Dogs is it seems like Culver really isn’t progressing much at the plate.

  46. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    I’m not ready to give up on Soriano yet or demote him much.

  47. sunny615 April 17th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....es-excuses

  48. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Bret-

    The Braves need another corner OF bat and would probably be interested in Swisher, since he’s a FA. Eric O’Flaherty hasn’t pitched well so far. If you could get the Yankees Jonny Venters, with Martin Prado, I’d be a happy camper.

    However you have to figure in that the Braves don’t want to take on extra salary, and the only Braves pitcher that the Yankees acquired thru trade or FA, who was a complete success, was Lefty Mike Stanton. :)

  49. sunny615 April 17th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    and then
    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....in-in-2012

  50. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    The bullpen doesn’t need Hughes and Freddy. They have the option to hold onto Soriano in the meantime and wait for Joba to return.

  51. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:35 am
    Charleston future starting players for the Yankees:
    Austin RF
    Williams CF
    Bichette 3B
    Sanchez-C
    Campos-Ace

    Current stats:

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats…..8;sid=t233

    They all look very impressive. AA will be the real test. If Campos has a few more starts like the last 3 I think maybe you move him up. No sense staying where he is dominating. Don’t rush the innings, but keep up the challenge.

  52. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    They also have the option to keep Soriano and wait for Joba to return.

    Hughes and Freddy can easily be dealt and the Yankees wouldn’t feel it one bit.

  53. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Rivera
    Robertson
    Soriano
    Joba

    They don’t need Freddy or Hughes in that pen.

  54. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Hot off the Press-Doubts about Phil Hughes:

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....hil-hughes

  55. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Bret-

    Freddy definitely not.

    Hughes maybe.

    But consider the past MO of the Yankees.

    I’d almost bet they’d put Phil back in the pen if he does not make it in the Ro.

  56. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    “I coukd coach Verlander and he’d still be unbelievable …..best pure arm since Nolan Ryan….I don’t even know Nolan could sit at 100 after 130 pitches…..Verlander is a freak of nature.”

    blake-

    so you think the yankees could have developed verlander with their organization and their approach?

    verander went through that bad spell. how did he get out of it?

    my experience in sports is that people who have a gift usually get influenced by someone to get the gift out.

    do the yankees have anyone who would have not got in the way of verlander’s gift?

    isn’t it kind of odd that when a pitcher gets the yankee’s special attention by being the “prospect” that they get screwed up and when guys are just thrown in there with no special treatment out comes a robertson, nova, or now a phelps ?

    of course verlander only had about a hundred innings in the minors so there was no real development time in the minors.

    the tigers were also good when verlander came up, so he had to win games.

    so maybe there is a little freak of nature in him.

    in a way you could say the tigers did everything wrong with verlander by rushing him. the same process wiped out a lot of other detroit pitchers. verlander though would be a good guy to study to see how he’s so good.

    juts calling him a freak of nature takes away the chance to learn from how he got to where he is.

  57. lvand805 April 17th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    it seems to me that we are all ASSUMING that pettitte will be his normal self. i sincerely HOPE so…but let’s be honest…we have to be realistic in thinking pettitte may not be an upgrade over garcia. i agree with most of you that the best scenario is pettitte being effective and trading garcia and sending hughes to the one place he’s had success (with the exception of 1 season)–the bullpen. but hopefully this new yankee regime will be consistent and recognize that pettitte while an all-time gamer, is not a long term option and while he can help us this year, we need hughes, pineda, and phelps for the future.

    i really like phelps and would love to see him get a shot in the rotation…that’s not likely to happen this year so either he’s gonna get a shot next year or he’s gonna get traded for a bat at the deadline. thoughts?

  58. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “I last night that Pineda has now lost all of the excess weight he brought into camp.

    That be a full 20 lbs.

    yup, the pig made it’s way through the python.

  59. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Thoughts on Phelps… He’d be my #5 next year with Pettitte returning.

    CC
    Pineda
    Pettitte
    Nova
    Phelps

    Banuelos-AAA
    Betances-AAA
    Warren-AAA
    Mitchell-AAA
    Marshall-AAA

  60. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    “so you think the yankees could have developed verlander with their organization and their approach?”

    Sure….they haven’t had a talent like that to work with…..I personally think the bulk of a player’s development is on the player anyway to be honest.

  61. BD (Boston Dave) April 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    “I don’t even know Nolan could sit at 100 after 130 pitches”

    ———–

    I was reading that the gun is notoriously fast at that park (KC)

  62. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    The short article I just attached above, makes a good point for putting Hughes in the bullpen, should his next few outings be more of the same.

    Is there room for argument?

    Attached again:

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....hil-hughes

  63. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    “isn’t it kind of odd that when a pitcher gets the yankee’s special attention by being the “prospect” that they get screwed up and when guys are just thrown in there with no special treatment out comes a robertson, nova, or now a phelps ?”

    That part is interesting

  64. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Rivera
    Robertson
    Soriano
    Joba

    They don’t need Freddy or Hughes in that pen.

    Joba won’t be back before mid-season and we have no idea how he’ll be after TJ and the ankle injury. A Hughes decision will likely happen well before then. Joba can’t be counted on for anything at this point.

  65. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    The Yankees tend to go by what’s already been proven.

    They are generally risk-averse.

    Use that as the general principle to help you decide how they are gonna make decisions.

    Now and in the future.

    ;)

  66. BD (Boston Dave) April 17th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    looking forward to Texas @ Detroit this weekend

    Verlander vs Feliz on Saturday

  67. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    And the Yankees have had a tendency to do the expedient thing.

    You can probably still use that as a guide to their actions too.

    Would be nice if that were no longer operative though.

  68. blake April 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    “I was reading that the gun is notoriously fast at that park (KC)”

    Looked like he was throwing pretty darn hard on TV….if he was sitting 98 instead in reality that’s still impressive

  69. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Even without Joba, Hughes is the 6th inning guy after Mo, Robertson and Soriano. He’s not needed. Hopefully we can get an upgrade over Ibanez for him. Chase Headley would be an upgrade.

  70. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Nova and Phelps both have had a jump in “stuff” recently……did Nova sit 93-94 and touch 96 in the minors? I never saw that……Phelps also is throwing harder this year than I ever saw him at AAA.

  71. muwarriorsfan April 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Isn’t it possible that Hughes is just better as a reliever?

    Not ideal, I know, but it may be reality.

  72. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    my experience in sports is that people who have a gift usually get influenced by someone to get the gift out.
    ————————————

    In John Smoltz’ case it was sports psychologist Jack Llewellyn.

  73. vinny-b April 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    “At this point, if Ethel Merman auditions, I’d give her the role over them”
    ——————————————-

    well, at least she would know ‘the Show’ is a business

  74. BD (Boston Dave) April 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    blake,

    no doubt – and the thing is, nobody really doubts that Verlander (even after 130 pitches) will do it again in 5 days.

    here is the pitch fx game data from last night:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch.....&dh=0

  75. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Hughes has been a really good reliver in his career when he’s been in that role…..his FB plays up and he doesn’t need 4 pitches or to be economical.

  76. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    “Sure….they haven’t had a talent like that to work with…..I personally think the bulk of a player’s development is on the player anyway to be honest.”

    blake-

    i think this idea of yours is worth discussing at length sometime because it’s not my experience in baseball, but it’s a commonly held belief.

    baseball to me is a craft .

    this means that it has to be passed on.

    yes it takes really good athletes to start with, but the influence of the players and coaches around any one player is how the game gets passed on.

    now maybe a lot of learning takes place directly from other players. that would fit in with your idea that development is on the player.

    you don’t see a player develop on his own in his back yard.

  77. Giuseppe Franco April 17th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    They aren’t going to move a current bullpen piece and hedge their bets with Joba this season.

    He may come back at some point in 2012, but he’s also going to have velocity issues of his own because he’s coming back from TJ. And given the ankle injury setback, his rehab from TJ strengthening his arm/elbow is also taking a step back.

    Even in a best case scenario, Joba isn’t likely to be the same Joba he was pre-TJ until sometime in 2013. And that’s if everything goes well in his rehab/recovery from this point on.

  78. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    “you don’t see a player develop on his own in his back yard.”

    Tim Lincecum did…..look I agree they need guidance….but they good ones figure out a way to get the help they need. I think more players fail because they just aren’t good enough than because they weren’t developed properly.

  79. Yankee Trader April 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I’ll check back later. Everyone have a great day.

    Sabathia’s April ERA as a Yankee from 2009 thru 2011 was 3.30, almost half of what it is now @ 6.75.

    Expecting a dominant performance from him and the Yankee switch hitters, hitting from the right side to start to gel against Liriano tonight.

  80. RadioKev April 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Garcia is the first one to go in the rotation..give Hughes some more time and if he doesn’t turn it around look to trade him or put him in the pen. Honestly, he’d still be a useful piece in the pen.

    I think it’s easy to forget that next year we might be a man short in the bullpen..

  81. 4time April 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “Nova and Phelps both have had a jump in “stuff” recently……did Nova sit 93-94 and touch 96 in the minors? I never saw that……Phelps also is throwing harder this year than I ever saw him at AAA.”

    Not to mention, Nova’s secondary pitches have really taken off. Pretty much all his Ks are on his CRV/SL now… he struck out Pujols on a nasty one.

  82. darbodla April 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    There is no way Montero was dealt for Pineda so he could pitch in the minor leagues. Garcia is gone, traded or released.

    Sabathia – Kuroda – Nova – Pettitte – Pineda with Hughes to the pen.

  83. Tackelberry April 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    The way the rotations line up, Verlander will open the series at the Stadium next Friday. Against Garcia. Will anyone dare watch?

  84. RadioKev April 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Tackelberry April 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
    The way the rotations line up, Verlander will open the series at the Stadium next Friday. Against Garcia. Will anyone dare watch?
    ————-

    Eh, the Yankees can hit Verlander. We can hit Halladay too.

  85. Tackelberry April 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    RadioKev April 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am
    Tackelberry April 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
    The way the rotations line up, Verlander will open the series at the Stadium next Friday. Against Garcia. Will anyone dare watch?
    ————-

    Eh, the Yankees can hit Verlander. We can hit Halladay too.

    __________________________________________________

    I’m more worried about the Garcia against that Tiger lineup. Of course, first he has to deal with the Red Sox lineup this Saturday

  86. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    blake-

    what i saw when i snuck into the pro game way back when, was a whole lot of craft and a whole lot of teaching passing back and forth.

    for example, i had caught a total of about 30 games in my life when i got into this first pro experience as a bullpen catcher.

    i had so much side spin on the ball it was unacceptable for pro ball. i had more movement than some pitchers. but the pitchers took me under their wing and showed me how to grip the ball and find the right seam to throw a four seam fastball each time. it involved tossing the ball in the air and catching it and moving my fingers to the right spot. a few thousand repetitions and i had it. simple right. but make that a thousand things passed on and you get the idea.

    really good pro players are always passing things back and forth, sometimes with a coaches help. it’s a craft.

    now how you would measure if a team is making an environment conducive for passing on this craft is open to question.

    i don’t think enough of the passing on the craft of baseball is going on in the yankee system.
    i think it’s pretty obvious they could do a better job of it.

  87. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    “The way the rotations line up, Verlander will open the series at the Stadium next Friday. Against Garcia. Will anyone dare watch?”

    That’s why they need to not lose to the crappy Twins.

  88. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Tackelberry April 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
    The way the rotations line up, Verlander will open the series at the Stadium next Friday. Against Garcia. Will anyone dare watch?

    Off day the day before, maybe they’ll skip Garcia and it will be CC vs Verlander.

  89. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Hopefully a GM offers a useful player for Hughes so the Yankees don’t have to bury him in the pen or AAA.

  90. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    First you guys Trash Pineda, then Hughes, and Now the flavor of the Moment is Garcia. The Game issa marathon, and young players like Pineda and Hughes require Time to develope. The kids in this sport are not, “No deposit-No return”. Everybody knows that Garcia MUST have pinpoint control in order to be successful. If a SP Must depart atta future point in time, it’s Garcia. Now……… whose head you gonna have onna spike next???

  91. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Randy,

    Yea….but did you seek out the help you needed because you wanted to or because the organization told you to? That’s what Im saying…..I think most of the good ones take control of their own development …..they have some self awareness about what they need to do to get better without someone telling them…..I agree without what you’re saying…..but I tend to think most of the best players in the game would have become great no matter which organization they came up in…..there are probably some exceptions ….but in general that’s what I think…..

  92. BIG AL April 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    I think the injury to Joba’s ankle is far worse than the TJ surgery, and that alone could sideline him well into next season, and he may be lucky to come back at all.

  93. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    I’ve always been a big supporter of Hughes but I’m losing patience with him and would seriously consider dealing him at this point. I think he could have value to a team like the Angels that would likely convert him into a full time relief pitcher to aid their horrific bullpen. Maybe a Hughes for Trumbo deal would make some sense for both clubs?

    As for Garcia – I was a big proponent of signing him prior to the 2011 season. And I still stick by that. At the time it was a zero risk deal for the Yankees. Unfortunately he has thus far looked like what we expected him to look like last year rather than what he was last year.

    Now keeping in mind – both of these guys have only had two starts and if we want to base anything off of two starts then we should also be getting antsy over CC (and I don’t think anyone is). However, if they keep this up they’re just making Girardi’s decision easy for him when it comes time to replace someone for Andy and Pineda.

  94. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    “Now……… whose head you gonna have onna spike next???”

    How about Doc Halladay….you wanna tell us how your eyes say he’s done again?

  95. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    By the way – I truly hope Cashman is on the phone with Sabaen asking what he would be willing to deal to the Yanks for Raf Soriano.

  96. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    “Maybe a Hughes for Trumbo deal would make some sense for both clubs?”

    I doubt they’d do that….but I probably would.

  97. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Watched Doc’s game last night against Frisco, and absoluletly stand behind my “fair to middlin’” eval. Even he realizes his tool chest is missing some tools, and Now is resorting to badgering the HP Ump. The game last night reinforced what I said 2 weeks ago. Doc is in decline, and living on his Rep at this point with both the Sticks and Blue.

  98. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    “Maybe a Hughes for Trumbo deal would make some sense for both clubs?”

    I doubt they’d do that….but I probably would.
    ———————-

    Trumbo’s killing them at 3b but he’s blocked at 1b, DH, and the corner OF spots so they’re stuck playing him there. He doesn’t really fit but because of his bat it would be a waste of their resources to bench him or play him in the minors. If they can turn that overstock into something they clearly need – strong back of the pen performance – they might consider it.

  99. MaineYankee April 17th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    randy

    Because I could tell when a cow was sick didn’t mean because I worked with them all my life I could cure them.

    I suppose maybe it was because I didn’t get my hands dirty enough. :D:

  100. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Chip,

    Yea I guess……trading off a lot of service time there though…..probably depends if they think he can improve at 3B enough to play there…if I were the Angels I think id send him down just to play 3B and see if he can improve there

  101. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Chip April 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am
    By the way – I truly hope Cashman is on the phone with Sabaen asking what he would be willing to deal to the Yanks for Raf Soriano.

    Deal? They’d be lucky if SF just took his entire contract without wanting the Yankees to eat part of it.

  102. blake April 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “Doc is in decline, and living on his Rep at this point with both the Sticks and Blue.”

    Right….3-0 with a 1.17 era and a 0.74 WHIP clearly shows that…..Halladay hasn’t been about throwing hard in a long time.

  103. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    I think the Dodgers would want Hughes. First place team – short a starting pitcher. So-cal environment for a so-cal native. Pitchers park. Wide open division. If Hughes falters the Dodgers can just make him a reliever. They need help in the rotation and the pen so it would be win-win if they took on a project like Hughes.

  104. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    Watched Doc’s game last night against Frisco, and absoluletly stand behind my “fair to middlin’” eval. Even he realizes his tool chest is missing some tools, and Now is resorting to badgering the HP Ump. The game last night reinforced what I said 2 weeks ago. Doc is in decline, and living on his Rep at this point with both the Sticks and Blue.

    8 innings, 2 er, currently 1.17 ERA. Yeah, he’s “middlin”…

    You’re wacko. :roll:

  105. blake April 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Im sure the Dodgers would like Hughes….who they gonna trade for him that would help the Yanks? They aren’t trading Ethier when they are winning.

  106. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    SF has Brandon Belt coming on strong lately and Aubrey Huff losing PT. Huff is owed 12 million (includes 2013 buyout).

    I’d trade R. Soriano for Huff just to get out from under Soriano’s contract. Soriano is owed through 2013 whereas the Yankees can cut ties with Huff after 2012.

  107. Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Blake,

    I’d take a prospect for Hughes.

  108. CompassRosy April 17th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Blake ~

    Not exactly current but, here’s a link to some Campos video….

    http://tinyurl.com/7tgzlbk

  109. blake April 17th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “I’d take a prospect for Hughes.”

    The Yanks wouldn’t most likely…..the Dodgers don’t have any non pitching prospects worth much.

  110. blake April 17th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Compass,

    Thanks :)

  111. darbodla April 17th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “Doc is in decline” . . . ROFL

  112. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    blake April 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Im sure the Dodgers would like Hughes….who they gonna trade for him that would help the Yanks? They aren’t trading Ethier when they are winning.
    —————————-

    I don’t think at this point you’re getting an Ethier type player for Hughes. You’re either going to get a flawed player (Trumbo) or a minor leaguer.

  113. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Bret The Hitman April 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    SF has Brandon Belt coming on strong lately and Aubrey Huff losing PT. Huff is owed 12 million (includes 2013 buyout).

    I’d trade R. Soriano for Huff just to get out from under Soriano’s contract. Soriano is owed through 2013 whereas the Yankees can cut ties with Huff after 2012.
    —————-

    Yeah I would probably do that – you would have to likely release Eric Chavez though.

  114. Gary April 17th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Morning, haven’t been on lately, but for all the conversation about Hughes, Garcia, Pineda how about CC? Seems like he’s where he left off last year, high pitch counts, not going deep into games, lots of base runners, high pitch innings. CC needs a good outing tonight.

    Good to see Morneau playing at a good level, sorry it’s against our team but I’ve liked the guy since I saw him in the minors in Rochester

  115. ADam April 17th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Garcia looks done, I would keep him on an incredibly short leash against the sox on his next turn or just give Phelps the Ball. Any of the “You can’t have his first start at fenway” rhetoric is BS

    Hughes can turn it around and i think he will, but man, I can’t wait to hear all the Pettitte signing haters beg for him to get up to the bigs

  116. Gary April 17th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    blake April 17th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “I’d take a prospect for Hughes.”

    The Yanks wouldn’t most likely…..the Dodgers don’t have any non pitching prospects worth much.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Hi Blake, I wish we had Kennedy back.

  117. jr1212 April 17th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Its way too early in the season to talk about trade regarding Hughes. Even if there was any interest in trading him his trade value at the moment wouldnt equate to his upside. He still has about 4 or 5 starts left before Pettite or Pineda is ready to contribute. Hopefully he can improve his performance in the next starts. If not he can always go to the bullpen where he has had success.

    IMO Hughes biggest problem is that he hasnt adjusted his game at all. He his the same pitcher he was when he came up. At some point he needs to come up with a better game plan. His stuff is back fron a couple years ago maybe is between the ears….

  118. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Gary April 17th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    blake April 17th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “I’d take a prospect for Hughes.”

    The Yanks wouldn’t most likely…..the Dodgers don’t have any non pitching prospects worth much.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Hi Blake, I wish we had Kennedy back.
    ————-

    I think if you flipped the two and Hughes was pitching for Arizona and Kennedy for the Yankees the results would be the same. Arizona would be getting the better pitching performance.

  119. 56Bomber April 17th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Pettitte replaces Garcia (Garcia traded or released)
    Pineda replaces Hughes (Hughes goes to 7th, Robertson to 8th)
    Soriano traded to SF Giants for salary relief and/or minor prospects

  120. Gary April 17th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Isn’t it a breath of fresh air to again this season having the talk be about pitching problems. :-(

  121. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    “I suppose maybe it was because I didn’t get my hands dirty enough. ”

    maine yankee-

    while experience is a prerequisite for acquiring knowledge there is also a requirement for enough intelligence for the info to stick :)

  122. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    I’m not advocating trading Hughes today – but he does need to get better results.

  123. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    maine yankee-

    all kidding aside.

    do you really think pro baseball is not a craft that is passed on from player to player?

  124. BIG AL April 17th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Colon looks like he’s still got what it takes to win games. We may left the wrong guy walk.

  125. Doc Iac April 17th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Doc on the decline? hahaha thanks for the laugh

  126. MaineYankee April 17th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    randy

    Are you calling me a dumb farmer? :evil:

  127. G. Love April 17th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    As long as El Hombre stays in the rotation with CC and Kuroda I don’t care who goes.

    I feel like Garcia is just a stop gap at this point. I would demote or release him before cutting the cord on Hughes. I’d rather see Hughes get a few more bites at the apple than see Garcia keep the spot. I also think Garcia blocking Pineda or Phelps is silly at this point. We can develop those guys in the bigs and still win if the offense hits.

    The only thing I would do with Hughes, if I were Cashman, is call the Giants and the Angels and see if either team views him as a possible late inning impact reliever now that his velocity has returned.

    Then I would ask the Giants for Belt or Sandoval and the Angels for Trumbo (maybe Morales) and see which one you could put together a deal with.

    I’m sure Hughes would love to go back to California and if you could get a bat with power potential for him it’d be the right move considering the depth the team has and the amount of time the team still controls Hughes.

    I just don’t know if Hughes has the trade value anymore. Another start close to the last one and I don’t think you could even broach that kind of a deal. You’d need him to pitch better to get a young good bat for him.

  128. dolfan314 April 17th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Pettitte replaces Garcia (Garcia traded or released)
    Pineda replaces Hughes (Hughes goes to 7th, Robertson to 8th)
    Soriano traded to SF Giants for salary relief and/or minor prospects

    56Bomber – I agree Sori does not want to be here in the role he has (7th inn.) Giants have a current need. Solves alot of problems.

  129. BIG AL April 17th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    randy l. -

    My bad yesterday, I never heard or knew “Southie” meant South Boston.

    I guess if you live in New England that’s more likely to be common knowledge.

  130. Bronx Jeers April 17th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    No team is touching Soriano at that price. He hasn’t even been that reliable.

    I do think if D-rob or Mo went down he could step it up and with regular work, find it again.

    But now he’s just a waste. I don’t like the So-Ro-Mo formula. It’s success relies on three different players being effective on the same day.

  131. jr1212 April 17th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Big Al,

    Theres no question that Colon has better tools to compete in the AL than Garcia. I thought Colon would have been better than Garcia this year. However the issue with Colon is the injuries. When the Yanks signed Garcia they didnt have the “surplass” of pitching they have now. I think they went with the certainty over upside.

  132. MaineYankee April 17th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 11:28 am
    maine yankee-

    all kidding aside.

    do you really think pro baseball is not a craft that is passed on from player to player?

    ————————————————————————————–

    I don’t think the answer is as simple as that.

    You can share knowledge all you want and not have it stick.

    It isn’t all about the level of intelligence either.

    My wife has a B.S. in education and has taught school for over 20 yrs. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve shown her how to use the remote but she still has to ask for help when using it for other than the tv.

  133. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    “..but I tend to think most of the best players in the game would have become great no matter which organization they came up in…..there are probably some exceptions ….but in general that’s what I think”

    blake-

    this is interesting.

    so you must think hughes just isn’t taking matters into his own hands.

    i can see your point that ultimately it gets down to the player, but it really helps to be in the right environment.

    think about what i’m talking about when i say baseball is a craft that’s passed on from one player to another. even if one player decides to be great, how does he do it on his own. is he going to invent a cutter say on his own.

    doesn’t he see it with another player first? doesn’t he then ask how the other guy does it? i yhnk its obvious he does. what he does then is on his own, but almost everything is taught from another player.

    sometimes this player is a coach who used to be a player.

    i think this question of how players get skills and how skills are passed on is key to what is the problem with yankee development.

  134. Hassey April 17th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    I know we’re all Yankee fans, but does anyone truly have that deep down excited feeling about watching this year’s team for the next 6 months? Whent he Yankees bat, I find myself flipping over to see Barry Weiss on Storage Wars.

  135. ac1 April 17th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I think Phelps can find his way into the rotation before Pettitte or Pineda return.
    I don’t care what they say, patience with Hughes is gone.
    They may leave Garcia there until one of the P’s get there, but i can definitely see the Hughes experiment nearing its end.

  136. BIG AL April 17th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    MaineYankee -

    You can’t teach raw talent, but, you can mold it to where it becomes as good as its potential. Having a great deal of talent is one thingt, but if a player does not realize how to harness it, and draw it out, it could be just a huge waste.

    I’m sure you’ve heard numerous times people talking about a player having great skills, but never reaching their potential. That’s where good to excellent coaching comes in. IMO.

  137. NYYROC April 17th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    PH is my favorite but I don’t see how he stays in rotation if everyone is healthy. Petitte is in, Cashman has said so. Pineda has to be. The NYY traded their best hitting prospect & Noesi. Both are playing for the M’s. Cashman would look like an idiot if the guy he got in return was in the pen. CC (obviously) Kuroda ($10MM says so) Andy, Pineda and Nova (he’s been the best NYY SP since the last half of last year.)

  138. NYYROC April 17th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    The pinstripealley article sums it up. PH has a FB and nothing else. Gotta have a swing & miss offspeed pitch to be a ML SP. One pitch lands you in the pen. Rooting for Phil!!

  139. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    “I don’t think the answer is as simple as that.

    You can share knowledge all you want and not have it stick.”

    maine yankee-

    but when baseball knowledge does stick wasn’t it passed on?

    i think it’s really reae for a baseball player to be the first to do something. even someone like bonds who had that rare ability to hit and inside pitch and not make it hook foul was taught by his dad and willie mays.

    try to show me something a baseball player does who invented it on his own. now you will come up with some examples because someone has to come up with something first, but i believe it’s rare.

    i actually should thank you for your trying to be obtuse and disagreeable about baseball being a craft because i’ve always wondered what was so special about my dabble in the pro world. i think it was seeing how the craft is passed on.

    there are invaluable life lessons in how its done.

  140. Hassey April 17th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    try as hard as you can to NOT hum the Storage Wars theme song – ….Money OWNS This Town..ba da da…Money OWNS this town…..

    Brandi or Laura Dotson anyone?

    Much more interesting than watching a Martin AB…we just have to hope that 4 or 5 of his 100 hits come at an important time.

  141. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Once again, you guys fall back on numbers, instead of basing an opionion on something you actually witnessed. Seems to be an epidemic around here concerning that. Of course, it does give you an excuse for being in error.

  142. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Much prefer the Storage Series on Tru-TV.

  143. NYYROC April 17th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    My guess is PH will end up in the pen, since he’s been good there before. That would pretty much kill any chance of being in NYY rotation again (he’s had chances and many guys coming up right behind him). As a fan of his I’d almost rather see him in AAA to find an offspeed pitch like Nova found his slider last year. Or trade him where he can be a SP. I’m sure @ 25 he doesn’t want to give up on being a SP yet. Probably wants to prove to himself he can do it.

  144. blake April 17th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “so you must think hughes just isn’t taking matters into his own hands.”

    Im starting to think for whatever reason maybe Hughes just doesn’t have the stuff or endurance to be a starter anymore at the level the Yankees want…..I think perhaps injuries and circumstances did contribute to that…..I hope he changes my mind

    Chip,

    Totally disagree on IPK

  145. blake April 17th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “Once again, you guys fall back on numbers, instead of basing an opionion on something you actually witnessed. Seems to be an epidemic around here concerning that. Of course, it does give you an excuse for being in error.”

    I trust MY eyes all the time…..I just don’t think yours know what they are talking about.

  146. blake April 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Randy,

    I agree with you that information is passed along….but I just think at some point its up to the player to get to where you want to be.

  147. BIG AL April 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Gotta go – Y’all have a great day.

  148. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Leyland has nowhere to hide with the Pitch Count of Verlander. Just no legitimate excuse this early in the season.

  149. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Next time, actually watch The Game.

  150. shaman1993 April 17th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Just wanted to chime in with a few thoughts on today’s subject, the pitching.

    I vaguely remember reading/hearing somewhere that the Yanks can not trade Garcia before June as he signed as a FA, not sure where I heard/read but if it’s the truth he’s not going anywhere yet.

    Hughes, also, IMO, is not going anywhere, except maybe the pen. The Yankees are committed to reducing payroll and you don’t do that with young pitchers that you can control. He will get every opportunity in the next few weeks to show what he can/can’t do and then a decision will be made. If he can not be effective in the rotation, a perfect scenario would be to try and ship Soriano off to SF and move Hughes into his role. If he is going to the pen, he HAS to have a role to play and mop up man is not going to be it.

    While everyone is excited for Pettitte, that includes me, let’s see what he does against REAL hitters before giving him a job. I think he’ll be fine, but we won’t know until he passes a few more tests.

    As for Pineda, he does have options to be sent down. Now, I have heard all the arguments that we can’t send him down cause we traded Montero/Noesi for him and they afre playing at the MLB level right now. Well, that has no bearing on what WE are doing. If it’s in Pineda’s best interest to start in AAA and work his way up the ladder that is what will be done. The yankees look at him as a long term piece of the puzzle and if going down is for the long term best interest, that’s what should happen.

    Just my .02

  151. Hassey April 17th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Package Hughes and Garcia for Kenny Powers?

  152. Against All Odds April 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    but it really helps to be in the right environment.

    ————————–

    I agree don’t mean to switch sports but it’s not a surprise that teams like the Ravens and Steelers are able to churn out good/very good defensive players yr after yr.

  153. Tarheel In NYC April 17th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Blake,

    I wanted to respond to something you told me about Madison Bumgarner several threads back.

    I used to watch him at South Caldwell too! I wonder if we attended any of the same games? I’ll bet we do indeed know some of the same people.

    Funny we should run into each other here. I guess the internets aren’t so big after all!

  154. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Have a good day everyone.

    Enjoy your nature vs. nuture arguments.

    I’m goin’ ATV’ing.

    Catch ya’ later.

    :)

  155. JCPD April 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    MTU, keep a seat warm for me ;-)

  156. blake April 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    “Funny we should run into each other here. I guess the internets aren’t so big after all!”

    I guess not….that’s crazy. Im gonna try to get down to Hickory to see the RiverDogs in a couple of weeks if I can….

  157. blake April 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    MTU,

    Have fun bud….wear your helmet :)

  158. MaineYankee April 17th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    randy

    i actually should thank you for your trying to be obtuse and disagreeable about baseball being a craft because i’ve always wondered what was so special about my dabble in the pro world. i think it was seeing how the craft is passed on.

    ————————————————————————————————-

    I never said it wasn’t a craft.

    Don’t twist my words.

    Don’t always fall back on “I’ve played the game so I know more than you” retoric.

    I don’t discount your experience but that doesn’t trump all.

  159. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    JCPD-

    You can count on it.

    We’ll be goin’ out to White Pocket that way.

    You lucky devil.

    ;)

  160. MTU April 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Blake-

    Always.

    ;)

  161. Joe from Long Island April 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Chip I agree that Freddy is no more than a “hold the fort” guy, until someone with youth/more upside makes a claim. Having said that, he is still a decent ml pitcher, despite the last two starts. Not saying you’ll get a haul for him, but there are teams that would love to have him no. 4-5 in their rotations.

    Hughes has to get it together, and he knows it. I wouldn’t write him off just yet, but he’s got maybe another month to produce. At that point, for multiple reasons, I could see him going to the pen, to replace Soriano, who gets traded to a team in need of a closer (SF?). The plus of keeping Hughes is that he would still provide some insurance for the rotation.

    I really hope Phil gets it going, I’ve been following his career so long, but reality is what it is.

  162. Tarheel In NYC April 17th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Enjoy, Blake. I used to love to go to the Crawdads games. I made the trip to Asheville a few times to catch the RiverDogs as well.

  163. blake April 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “Enjoy, Blake. I used to love to go to the Crawdads games. I made the trip to Asheville a few times to catch the RiverDogs as well.”

    Yea….Asheville is actually closer for me now but they don’t come there until August and im afraid some of the guys I wanna see wont be there by then….both are really fun parks though

  164. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    “I agree with you that information is passed along….but I just think at some point its up to the player to get to where you want to be.”

    blake-

    i’d agree with that.

    so are the yankees putting their energy into guys that don’t have what it takes (hughes)?

    and not putting their energy into guys that do have what it takes ( montero)?

    it’s not enough to just say it’s on the players. the organization must create the right environment and put it’s energy and resources behind the right players.

    people are wondering why the yankees are sucking and underachieving.

    maybe it’s because management sucks and is underachieving.

    that’s what i’ve been saying for years.

    they don’t teach crap.

    how could gardner come up and not be able to bunt?

    seriously.

    they are incompetent sometimes.

    the problem is they are just competent just enough to create the illusion they get it right sometimes.

    of course all this angst with the pitching will go away as the yankees get into the season. they clearly have bought enough depth to get them through this small sample of two weeks.

  165. Betsy April 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I think Phil will be sent to the pen when Andy is ready. What is the point of sending him to the minors? He is not a prospect anymore and I don’t see the team investing any more time in his development.

  166. AeroFANatic April 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    With Mo most likely retiring at the end of the season, is it possible Hughes becomes the set-up man to Robertson?

  167. blake April 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    “so are the yankees putting their energy into guys that don’t have what it takes (hughes)?”

    I don’t think you always know….Hughes still may…

  168. blake April 17th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    “With Mo most likely retiring at the end of the season, is it possible Hughes becomes the set-up man to Robertson?”

    Sure…..and if they decide he’s out of the rotation id start thinking about that for next year……Soriano may opt out or you might can move him this winter.

  169. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    “I never said it wasn’t a craft.

    Don’t twist my words.

    Don’t always fall back on “I’ve played the game so I know more than you” retoric. ”

    maine yankee-

    i’m starting to think that maybe your wife fakes not knowing how to use the remote so that you’ll feel good about knowing something :)

    do you think maine yankee would learn anything of he spent the next two years in a portland sea dog bullpen?

    if you say no, it means you have no ability to learn from an experience.

    if you say yes that you would learn something, then you have to acknowledge that maybe being around the game a little does teach you something.

  170. blake April 17th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    If Mo retired and Soriano left then you’d still have potentially Joba, Hughes, and Drob at the back of the pen…..and while that’s not exactly what we had hoped for Hughes and Joba….at least they’d be providing value in those roles.

  171. Betsy April 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    At this rate Phil won’t be that expensive as a FA so maybe they can re sign him as a reliever.

  172. Shame Spencer April 17th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Afternoon all – just in for a drive by but had to tell you all I was at the game Saturday……….

    I cried.

  173. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    blake-

    i thought hughes was going to have a good year this year.

    and he has some life on his pitches that he didn’t have last year.

    i think that hughes has the problem a golfer has on what swing thoughts to use.

    the kids a pro.

    he has all kinds of ways to pitch.

    what way does he want to choose?

    mariano has simplified the game by having an approach that he just runs over and over again.

    hughes seems like he has trouble holding onto a way of pitching.

    he’s always changing pitches and seemingly his approach.

    going to the pen worked because he has to simplify.

    maybe they should do that again to straighten him out.

  174. theREALkevin April 17th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I seriously doubt the Yankees could get Trumbo for Hughes. Doesn’t matter though, nowhere to play Trumbo anyhow. We just have to hope Hughes figures it out until Pineda or Pettitte can take his place.

  175. MaineYankee April 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    randy

    It always ends the same with you.

    Insults and “I know more”.

    I’m sorry I engaged with you and brought down your level of intelligence.

  176. tipsie April 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Eat some $, trade Soriano to the Giants or Reds (closers out for year)

    Hughes to pen (seems inevitable)

    Assuming health, CC, Kuroda, Pineda, Pettitte, Nova

    keep Garcia for insurance; Phelps can start too

  177. blake April 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    “i think that hughes has the problem a golfer has on what swing thoughts to use.”

    I agree……I think he needs to ditch the cutter …stop worrying about his CU…..and try to concentrate on some #2 pitch that he can go to to either miss bats or get weak contact with…..he has no go to pitch aside from the fastball…..

    Hughes had a great spring…..but a lot of the innings he threw were against minor leaguers because he was coming in after another starter…..he blows minor league level guys away with his fastball….big leaguers foul it off or hit it and he’s just never developed a real second weapon to actually get the out with…..he’s still young but the issue is that he’s running out of time with the Yankees

  178. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    “My bad yesterday, I never heard or knew “Southie” meant South Boston.

    I guess if you live in New England that’s more likely to be common knowledge.”

    big al-

    thanks-

    i can see how you misinterpreted.

    if you want to read a good description of what i was talking about read – mark wahlberg “assaults and conviction” on wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg

    it’s pretty unbelievable, but that’s the negative “southie” thing to an extreme. it’s still part of the red sox fan base though.

  179. UnKnown April 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    How far off are Betances, Banuelos, Phelps, Warren, and Mitchell from being legitimate starters in the majors?

    Quit fighting it and move Hughes to the pen. Ditch Soriano in a trade or bounce Wade from his spot. During the offseason let Hughes go, it just didn’t work out. Let’s move on.

    Then you got CC, Pineda, Nova, one of those 5 from above and more than likely Pettitte as he is going to want to pitch again in 2013, as your rotation.

    Its not that hard to figure out.

  180. NYYROC April 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Agreed PH needs a swing n miss offspeed pitch. Still remember watching a 2011 ST game vs Tor. He struck out 7 Jays, 6 on a really good breaking pitch. Lotsa swings n misses. Think he called it a slider after the game. Never saw him throw it after that.

  181. charlestonchew April 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    LOL this doesn’t look like CC for some reason:

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....9qw74k.jpg

    it’s the image on yankees.com

  182. Bronx Jeers April 17th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    It seems like he’s got at least 4 different secondary pitches and none of them are very good.

    The Pujols at-bat on Sat reminded me of the Vlad at-bat in the 2009 ALCS. He gets them 0-2 and then tries to get them swing through a waist high fastball. Stupid

    Doesn’t he ever throw a ball in the dirt?

  183. Nick in SF April 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    “Doesn’t he ever throw a ball in the dirt?”

    Now there’s some crafty knowledge that Freddy should be passing on. :neutral:

  184. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Let’s see…….. As I journey down the road to LoHud City, instead of sign posts, I see spikes with the heads of Hughes, Garcia, and Soriano on them. I’ll come back when this cannibalism has ended. Oh, by the way Randy. MaineYankee is correct. Put away the catchers mitt. It is NOT a mortar board.

  185. Jerkface April 17th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Nova had his big fastball in the minors. Phelps is the one who has an uptick in velocity this year.

  186. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    wow, tampa rays in last place in pitching so far.

    since they were second in the league last year and probably will be right up there at the top this year, maybe the fact they have been facing the yankees , detroit , and boston- three of the top offensive teams.

    so if “PITCHING WINS” what’s up?

  187. Jerkface April 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    If they option Hughes to the minors before he gets 5 years of service time they will still have 2 years of control. So if he stayed down the entire rest of the year they’d have him for 2013 and 2014.

  188. Nick in SF April 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Take me down to the LoHud City
    where the chuckers all suck
    And the sticks ain’t pretty
    ohh ohhhh take me down

    That’s all I’ve got so far. Been a long time since I G ‘n’ R’d. Been a long lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely time, as a matter of fact. But I digress.

  189. blake April 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    If they option Hughes to the minors before he gets 5 years of service time they will still have 2 years of control. So if he stayed down the entire rest of the year they’d have him for 2013 and 2014.”

    That’s very interesting….

  190. ADam April 17th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    By June 1 the Rotation will look something like this:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Pettitte
    Nova
    Pineda

    Garcia will be gone and/or in the pen and Hughes will slide into a relief role

  191. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    the yankees are middle of the pack in pitching and fifth in hitting.

    no disaster, just nothing to get excited about.

  192. Tackelberry April 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    2 starts is too soon to make such judgements on Hughes or garcia. Need to give them at least 2 or 3 more. Think the Giants are thinking of putting Lincecum in the pen or to the minors based on his first couple of starts?

  193. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    ADam April 17th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    By June 1 the Rotation will look something like this:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Pettitte
    Nova
    Pineda

    Garcia will be gone and/or in the pen and Hughes will slide into a relief role

    ….you are 1000000% CORRECT ! :-)

  194. Jerkface April 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    That’s very interesting…

    You only gain service time for being in the majors (or on the real DL while on the 40 man roster) so hughes is at like 4.75 years of service time. If you send him down before it reaches 5 then next year he has to be on the 25 man no matter what.

    After 1 full year he’ll end the season at 5.75, .25 years away from free agency! Poor Hughes. So then in 2014 he’d end the year with 6.75 years of service time and become a free agent.

  195. blake April 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Well….sound like the Yanks need decide before he hits that 5 year total….at least give themselves the option of sending him down. If you send him down though…..then it needs to be to virtually tear him down ans rebuild the way he pitches…..he dominates AAA pitching the way he does now.

  196. Bronx Jeers April 17th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Said Phil Hughes, take it slow and things will work out fine
    You and Joe’ll just use a little patience
    Said Phil Hughes Take the time cause the lights are shining bright
    You and Joba got what it takes to make it

  197. mick April 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Don’t let the Amazing Randy get to you.
    It’s all he’s got till his busy season, he’s just killing time.

  198. Nick in SF April 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Sweet child o’ Mo?

  199. mick April 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Let us heed the advice of the LoHud baseball Guru.

    Now if i can pass this on…

    Don’t pay attention to the man behind the Curtain.

  200. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Tackelberry April 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    2 starts is too soon to make such judgements on Hughes or garcia. Need to give them at least 2 or 3 more. Think the Giants are thinking of putting Lincecum in the pen or to the minors based on his first couple of starts?
    ——————-

    First of all – I agree with the premise that it’s too early to say this is a lost year for Hughes or Garcia. However, at least in the case of Hughes, you can start to show a little concern based on his awful year last year.

    The fact is simply this – at some point within the next 6 to 8 weeks Andy and Pineda will both be ready to go – at that point the Yankees will have seven starters for five spots. If you were making a decision based on performance thus far Garcia and Hughes would be the guys to go.

  201. jackamir April 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    This Blog or forum has really gone downhill. I have been a reader for nearly 5 years and the decline is substantial. I know the newspaper has problems and the economy is fluctuating but this was once a bright spot. Now its all about a couple posts a day and everybody making stupid judgements on how to run a billion dollar business. The Yankees own New York and we can’t get but 2 or 3 posts a day.

  202. theREALkevin April 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Not sure comparing Hughes & Garcia to Tim Lincecum is valid. Lincecum is one of their aces and a Cy Young winner. Hughes is a struggling former prospect & Garcia is nearing the end of his career and they got him off the scrap heap before last year.

  203. Bronx Jeers April 17th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    The other day I was thinking about the eventual “ascension” of Robertson to closer and how he needs his own entrance music.

    I don’t believe he has any.

    But he’s got this really mellow baseball persona. Heavy metal just doesn’t fit. He’s needs something much softer.

    So off the top of my head…..

    Smooth Operator – Sade

    Sounds of Silence – S & G

    Easy – The Commodores

  204. mick April 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    This Blog or forum has really gone downhill. I have been a reader for nearly 5 years and the decline is substantial. I know the newspaper has problems and the economy is fluctuating but this was once a bright spot.
    =================
    Why do you think this has occurred?

  205. sunny615 April 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Bobby V is the man… for giving himself enough rope to hang himself…

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/b.....uRP9ARvLYF

  206. sunny615 April 17th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I think what jackamir is saying is that Pete Abe used to post about 20 times a day about clubhouse stuff constantly – whether it be snippets of audio or whatever observations he made when interviewing players, coaches etc. There used to be audio recordings that would be posted and other tidbits.

  207. Jerkface April 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Pete Abe used to post about 20 times a day about clubhouse stuff constantly

    Did you mean post 20 times a day about Bruce Springsteen or why A-rod is dumb? Or about an airport?

  208. mick April 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    ok sunny, i thought he meant it has been dumbed down by people with agendas, my bad.

  209. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Pete Abe is a Horses Rear and his absence is the best thing that could happen to this blog. He was always and will always remain a BoSux fan to the core and his hate for A-Rod and the Yankees in general was obvious. He needs to crawl close to Bobby V. and kiss his butt for the little time that clown will be managing Boston. ( But I need to open up and REALLY say how I reel, right ? )

  210. Nick in SF April 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    It slows down a bit when Chad has days off, which are mandated. Pete Abe was a different person. He is gone now.

  211. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    reel = feel (oops) :-)

  212. mick April 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    It slows down a bit when Chad has days off,
    ============================
    why would it matter, this blog has a mind of its own.

  213. Against All Odds April 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Jerkface April 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Pete Abe used to post about 20 times a day about clubhouse stuff constantly

    Did you mean post 20 times a day about Bruce Springsteen or why A-rod is dumb? Or about an airport?

    —————

    lol was it that bad? I joined Lohud in 2010 I think.

  214. G. Love April 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Sorry guys. None of the song parodies will ever top “The Wind Cries Montero”.

  215. luis April 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Good afternoon,

    About Hughes, we all share some attachment to the kid, because he was the first prospect to generate interest from the fans in like 11 or 10 years. But if we look at it objectively, for better or for worse the kid was rushed, preventing him from developing an array of secondary pitches to complement his fastball and getting enough innings under his belt so using those pitches became a second nature. Trust in your stuff is key for a pitcher in order to be successful.

    As a result, he was basically thrown to the wolfs without the adequate tools to survive. And this has taken it’s toll on him. When you see him changing approaches, it is because of lack of trust both on his stuff and on himself. His demeanor in the mound on his last outing was very telling. If you want to see a contrast, look at Phelps, he has a somewhat lesser fastball but much better array of secondary pitches.But more importantly, he knows and trusts his stuff and approach.

    I keep hearing that if he fails he should take a spot in the BP. I don’t think that is the way to go. At this point, i don’t trust him anymore than Soriano. He needs to go down to the minors to learn and regain his lost confidence. I would go the way suggested by JF, send him down and keep him down this whole season relearning his craft and confidence. Also the team wins an extra year of control.

  216. mick April 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    springsteen is the voice of their generation as dylan was to ours

  217. Giuseppe Franco April 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Chad posts several threads a day when he’s working (just as many as PA did during his time with LoHud). It’s the pinch hitters who fill in for Chad who don’t post nearly as often.

    I tend to agree that the blog has taken a fall the last year or more but it has nothing to do with Chad.

    The topic has been discussed numerous times but I’ll take Chad over Pete Abe 100 times out of 100. Pete had crazy obsessions (ie: A-Rod, Kim Jones) and had a giant ego that was almost as big as his belly.

  218. bruceb April 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Soriano must surely be the most overpaid 7th inning relief pitcher of all time…unless, of course, someone knows different.

  219. blake April 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Got offered Stanton and Jemile Weeks for Montero and Kendrick…..can’t decide.

  220. luis April 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    *wolves* sorry

  221. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    luis April 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    Good afternoon,

    About Hughes, we all share some attachment to the kid, because he was the first prospect to generate interest from the fans in like 11 or 10 years. But if we look at it objectively, for better or for worse the kid was rushed, preventing him from developing an array of secondary pitches to complement his fastball and getting enough innings under his belt so using those pitches became a second nature. Trust in your stuff is key for a pitcher in order to be successful.

    As a result, he was basically thrown to the wolfs without the adequate tools to survive.

    Have to disagree. When Hughes came up he a very good curveball. Don’t know what happened to it.

    I put a majority of blame for Hughes on Hughes.

  222. Bronx Jeers April 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Greetings form gate 42!

    I just saw a woman take a mustard packet from her shoe. Really? Is footwear now an acceptable place to store condiments? I guess that’s a Twin Cities thing.

    ————————

    I kind of liked those posts.

  223. blake April 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    As a reliever id trust Hughes more than Soriano….he’s got more weapons and his fastball is better…..

  224. mick April 17th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    I repeat: What does it matter what the thread title is?
    Do you think it really drives the conversation?
    People love to spew their opinions here getting up on their soapboxes.
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.
    What seems to drive it here are the idiotic posts that can be attacked or the inane nonsense that goes on between dueling factions.

  225. mick April 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I just saw a woman take a mustard packet from her shoe.
    ======================================
    Didn’t that give birth to Twitter?

  226. Nick in SF April 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Thanks, G Love, but I was proud of “Montero In the Wind” too!

  227. luis April 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    JS,

    I do understand your point, and it is true to a point. But not all is on Hughes, he was rushed because of a need. If he had stayed in the minors for 07 and 08, we would be having an ace in our hands not a work in progress this late in his career.

  228. G. Love April 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    I do miss telling Pete on here that the only reason he liked Springsteen was because it’s the thing to do for middle aged white guys to fit in with other middle aged white guys. Ah, the good ole days.

  229. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    blake April 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Got offered Stanton and Jemile Weeks for Montero and Kendrick…..can’t decide.
    ———————

    I wouldn’t do it – just because Montero is catcher eligible and there are a ton of really bad offensive catchers. Plus you take a major hit in several categories going from Kendrick to Weeks.

    Hard to pass on Stanton – hopefully you have a good enough OF.

  230. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    blake April 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    As a reliever id trust Hughes more than Soriano….he’s got more weapons and his fastball is better…..
    ——————-

    And even if that wasn’t the case he’s $6 mil cheaper than Soriano.

  231. luis April 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    blake April 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    As a reliever id trust Hughes more than Soriano….he’s got more weapons and his fastball is better…..

    ===========================

    If you are interested in this year, yeah he could be better in the pen. But is that in the best interest of the team long term?. I don’t think so….But man, it’s just me.

  232. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Blake – also according to a report out of Miami, Stanton might have knee problems that will hamper him all season:

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....eason-long

  233. GreenBeret7 April 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    MaineYankee April 17th, 2012 at 11:31 am
    randy

    Are you calling me a dumb farmer?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Maine,

    Nah. Randy would never call you a farmer.

  234. Bronx Jeers April 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    I also liked Pete’s “’twas the night before Christmas…” parody.

    I think he did one his first year in Boston and everybody was like “what the **** is this?”

  235. m April 17th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Why do people need new threads? The conversation carries over from one to the next.

    Do you really need someone to tell you when and how to move the conversation along?

    When there’s news, a new post goes up. It’s a long season, and it’s not LoHud’s job to give people instant gratification.

  236. luis April 17th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Nick in SF April 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Thanks, G Love, but I was proud of “Montero In the Wind” too!

    ===================

    I have to concur…..Montero in the wind is one of your best.

  237. blake April 17th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    “If you are interested in this year, yeah he could be better in the pen. But is that in the best interest of the team long term?”

    Id say no if Hughes pitched well enough to stay in the rotation…..or if he had 4 of 5 years of control left…..but if he loses his rotation spot this year then he’s only a year and a half away from free agency unless they send him down before getting the 5 years and basically keep him down all year.

    Chip,

    I have Mauer also…..im probably not going to do it more because of Stanton’s knee than anything.

  238. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    - BLAKE -
    Stanton consistently dinged up. PASS

  239. theREALkevin April 17th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    I like how Pete Abe would join in on the convos and you could rag on him and stuff. I don’t miss his horrible attitude or his A-Rod obsession. I do however think Pete generally made things more interesting around here.

  240. luis April 17th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Blake,

    I think he has shown flashes of being able to do it. That’s why i say, send him down right now. Of course their is the issue of the competition he has, and if the FO believes he is better than his potential substitutes or not. If they don’t believe it, they will use him in the pen.

  241. Bronx Jeers April 17th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Apparently none of you are recalling my musical take on Joe Girardi ” Binders Made of Sand”
    :sad:

  242. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    “Maine,

    Nah. Randy would never call you a farmer.”

    GB7-

    you ever notice how people get a little thin skinned around here ? :)

  243. Wave Your Hat April 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    There’s still another 4 starts each, probably, for Garcia and Hughes before the Yanks make a move on Andy and while a lot can happen in that time to change the equation, right now I kind of think it more likely Garcia gets dealt or released when Andy comes back than does Hughes. If Hughes goes to the pen, then that’s a dead end as far as his future with the Yanks is concerned, because he’ll get more in arbitration next year than the Yanks will want to pay to him as a reliever.

  244. UnKnown April 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    CC needs to be good tonight or I think its back to eating Captain Crunch and putting on those pounds to regain his dominance.

  245. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Luis, I think as long as a pitcher’s innings are built up and he can get major league hitters out, he’s ready. I think both those conditions were satisfied.

    You could argue that he had an innings jump that was too big from 2005 to 2006 (86 to 146), but that was before he reached the majors.

  246. Chip April 17th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    blake April 17th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Chip,

    I have Mauer also…..im probably not going to do it more because of Stanton’s knee than anything.
    ———————

    Now Mauer I would trade.

  247. randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    “Don’t let the Amazing Randy get to you.
    It’s all he’s got till his busy season, he’s just killing time.”

    mick-

    good point.

    i’m having trouble right now here in miami deciding if i should go to the pool or to play golf or maybe go to the beach .

    but you’re in luck, there’s a two out of three chance i could drown.

    as long as gb7 isn’t hitting balls , i should be safe on the golf course :)

  248. Nick in SF April 17th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    This time with feeling:

    Montero in the Wind

    Goodbye LoHud’s rose
    May you ever grow in our hearts
    You were the bat that placed itself
    Where balls were torn apart

    You called out to our fears of diminished offense in 2014
    And you whispered to those in pain
    Now you belong to Seattle
    And the stars spell out your name

    And it seems to me you lived your life
    Like Montero in the wind
    Never fading with the sunset
    When the rain set in

    And your footsteps will always fall here
    As LoHud’s tears will spill
    Your candles burned out long before
    Your legend ever will

    :cry: :cry: :cry:

  249. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank April 17th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Real Kev and all, are right.
    Pete Abe was more fun, an instigator, and had unique insight.
    This has become routine, and the comments are the same predictable dreck..
    I

  250. blake April 17th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    “Now Mauer I would trade”

    Yea…his value is low right now though…he’s probably worth more to keep than what id get for him

  251. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank April 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Regardless what people think, Pete Abe loves NY..
    People just hate opinion here.

  252. Doc Iac April 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    screw pete abraham,

    he blocked me on twiter for callin him a fat slob

  253. GreenBeret7 April 17th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    59 years ago today, at Griffith Stadium in Washington, DC, Chuck Stobbs served up a gopher ball to Mickey Mantle. It was hit out to left center field and grazed the side of the scoreboard as it left the park. It was paced off at 565 feet. The home run came two years to the day after Mantle played in his first ML game.

    http://dcbaseballhistory.com/2.....ntles-day/

  254. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    eboland11 And the lineup: Jeter 6, Swisher dh, Cano 4, ARod 5, Tex 3, Granderson 8, Jones 9, Gardner 7, Stewart 2

  255. jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Joe is trying to sucker the Twins into walking Gardner to get to the pitch-…. Stewart.

  256. GreenBeret7 April 17th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    randy l. April 17th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    “Maine,

    Nah. Randy would never call you a farmer.”

    GB7-

    you ever notice how people get a little thin skinned around here ?

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    Who are you calling thin-skinned, you overbearing jerk?

  257. DONNYBROOK April 17th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Mauer is Still a Name, and has value in fantasy circles. Counter with Mauer and Kendrick.

  258. luis April 17th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    jacksquat April 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Luis, I think as long as a pitcher’s innings are built up and he can get major league hitters out, he’s ready. I think both those conditions were satisfied.

    You could argue that he had an innings jump that was too big from 2005 to 2006 (86 to 146), but that was before he reached the majors.

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    I won’t argue that, because he had enough stuff to get MLB hitters out. But not on a consistent basis, therefore his apparent inability to put them away and have long outings. I know that his injury in Arlington has a lot to do with it. My theory is that he wasn’t mature enough to handle the responsibility (How many high stress innings has he pitched up to that point?), he pushed himself too hard and pull the hamstring as a result. He has never been the same since.

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