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Gardner shows what he can do for the Yankees

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 18, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner isn’t down to play every day, but the lefty-hitting left fielder showed his two-way value to the Yankees again in their 8-3 victory over the Twins Tuesday night.

Gardner batted eighth and reached base all four times, delivering two doubles off lefty pitching — his first extra-base hits of the season — and walking twice. Plus, he stole a base and made a great diving catch in left.

“I’ve said all along it doesn’t matter to me (facing) lefties or righties,” said Gardner, who’s off to a .321 start. “It’s all the same thing. Guys are trying to get you out and you’re trying to get on base.

“I guess it’s good, trying to let them know that I can do a little bit against (lefties), too. But it’s not something I really worry about.”

Joe Girardi said: “He’s going to play a lot. I want to keep him fresh. The way he plays, it takes a lot out of you.”

Gardner’s catch came in the third, ending the inning for CC Sabathia with a man on and two runs in. Gardner raced in and made his dive.

“I hate to say you expect it, but he’s a great outfielder,” Sabathia said.

But Gardner hurt his right wrist making the catch.

“It actually feels better now than when it happened,” Gardner said. “So I’m definitely positive. It’s usually the kind of thing that gets worse as the game goes on. I’ll see how it feels tomorrow, but I expect it’ll feel pretty good.”

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214 Responses to “Gardner shows what he can do for the Yankees”

  1. Tackelberry April 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Love the energy that guys like Gardner and Nunez bring to the lineup. Hope the others all feed off it. Nice to see CC bounce back with qualty start. Lets hope he follows that up in Boston on Sunday night

  2. Yankee Trader April 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Texas led the AL, actually the entire league in BA last year with .283. They scored the 3rd most runs in AL, had the 2nd most homers.
    The pitching staff ERA was 5th in AL at 3.79, just after the Yankees.

    The team payroll is just below 121M.
    They can continue to add without fear of exceeding the LT.

    However, if the Yankees stay healthy they will be adding Pettitte by mid May, possibly Pineda by mid June, Aardsma by late July, and possibly Joba in September.

    Since we all know that good pitching beats good hitting, the Yankees are better!!! :)

  3. MTU April 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Glad to see GGBG off to such a good start hitting wise.

    IMO he needed to up the ante this season.

    .260 wasn’t gonna cut it.

  4. randy l. April 18th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    “I do not believe the O’s have the Pitching to go very far.
    It would be an achievement for them to just get out of the cellar.”

    mtu-

    i think rick peterson in newly created role of “director of pitching development” will have some positive influence with the oriole pitchers.

    i can’t find much info on how this role is different from a minor league pitching coordinator, but it appears it’s a position that’s much more comprehensive.

  5. Hassey April 18th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Brett looks like a jockey

  6. Yankee Trader April 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Maybe this should be the line-up vs a righty starter:
    Gardner LF
    Granderson CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2nd
    A-Rod 3rd
    Tex 1st
    Swisher RF
    Ibanez DH
    Martin/Stewart C

  7. MTU April 18th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Randy-

    That part sounds good and I’m sure he’ll get the most out what he has to work with.

    Just not sure he has enough.

    Arrietta and Matusz have lot’s of potential.

    Hamels is mediocre.

    The rest of the lot ?

    Their pen sucks.

  8. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I would make Jones the everyday DH.

  9. Tackelberry April 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Ibanez has been ok so far

  10. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I’ve bee a big Gardner and Nunez fan forever. Speed is a beautiful thing. Nunez with that arm doesn’t have to hurry throws and Kelleher is a hell of a coach. That bunt by Nunez was a beauty. So that’s two hits off a good bunt because the 3B had to play up. With Gardner last year they made quite duo on the bases.

  11. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    If you like feast or famine hitters; I don’t, and right now, the Yankees have too many of them.

  12. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    First Granderson batting second is quite silly. Second, batting him behind Gardner eliminates the SB because you need him on first to open the hole to the pull hitter. If you could get Swisher on board about manufacturing runs he’s the ideal number two hitter. Maybe this would curb his wild swings. When Swisher is focused, he’s a monster. So yes Gardner, Swisher, Jeter, Cano would be an excellent starting lineup.

  13. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    I don’t think lineup construction is that important other than you want your best hitters to get the most AB.

  14. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    If you like feast or famine hitters; I don’t, and right now, the Yankees have too many of them
    —————

    I keep wandering with Gardner if he hurts his hands stealing bases and if cutting back on SBs would keep him healthier. The slumps out of nowhere don’t make sense. All of a sudden he’s tearing the cover off the ball and a time later he’s slumping. Joe’s statement of “the way he plays takes a lot out of him” would seem to back this up.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Home sweet home.

    I have to say that I’m blown away by some of the starts in the majors. Washington at 9-3. The Dodgers at 9-2. The Phils pulling up the basement in the NL East, and the Mets in 2nd place. I know it’s early, but it’s still pretty crazy!

    The Suxers in last place in the AL East is righteous, of course. :)

    Well anyway, it feels good to be home and also to finally be able to devote full attention to that which matters the most – the Yanks!

    Onward and upward!

  16. jacksquat April 18th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Yankee Trader April 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am
    Maybe this should be the line-up vs a righty starter:
    Gardner LF
    Granderson CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2nd
    A-Rod 3rd
    Tex 1st
    Swisher RF
    Ibanez DH
    Martin/Stewart C

    No. Jeter is only hitting .258/.303/.452 vs rhp (.556/.526/.944 vs lhp). He hasn’t had good numbers vs rhp since 2009.

  17. blake April 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    That play last night is exactly why Gardner needs to play all the time…..who knows what happens if that ball falls in….maybe CC loses it and they have to go to the pen….which coukd have lasting effects for days…..and its nit just one play either….he does stuff like that all the time….

    I tend to always lean towards offense over defense especially for outfield positions….but Gardner has such special ability as a defender that its an outlier situation…..and if he’s hitting then he has to play….and play pretty much every day…..he just saves too many runs in that big LF at the stadium.

  18. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Bo, that’s a legitimate concern, which is why I hope that his wrist is fully healthy after last night’s catch.

  19. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Gardner should be the full-time leadoff Stick. Girardi just has to acquire the stones to dethrone Jeet. You allow Gardner to show what he can do outta there inna full-time roll. This grows his trade value if Cashner wants to go that route come July or further down-the-road. Right now, Gardner is a Platoon leadoff hitter, who provides excellent D in both CF and LF. You show Gardner to be a full-time leadoff hitter witha Gold Glove in multiple positions and his value explodes. He aint a spring chicken, and being that speed is a Big part of his game on both sides of the ball, means if your gonna sell while his value is high, you better do it in short order.

  20. Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Morning folks.. has fem been around?

  21. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I don’t think lineup construction is that important other than you want your best hitters to get the most AB.

    ———————–

    Agreed, but then Teix, Arod, Grandy is a hell of a hole in the middle of your lineup facing a junkballer. To me, with men on base, a SO is the ultimate rally killer and those three are pretty special at it.

  22. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Well, right now, Jeter is carrying the team, so any talk of dethroning him isn’t particularly apt, but if you want to view as a run producer rather than a table setter, ok, but that’s a step up not a step down.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Is Chad on vacation? I haven’t seen his name in a while.

  24. Tackelberry April 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 9:36 am
    First Granderson batting second is quite silly. Second, batting him behind Gardner eliminates the SB because you need him on first to open the hole to the pull hitter. If you could get Swisher on board about manufacturing runs he’s the ideal number two hitter. Maybe this would curb his wild swings. When Swisher is focused, he’s a monster. So yes Gardner, Swisher, Jeter, Cano would be an excellent starting lineup.

    _________________________________________________

    Granderson hits much better in the 2 hole than the 6 hole. Sees better pitches to hit whn hitting in front of Cano and Arod. Plus, his speed is another asset

  25. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    I have always thought Jeet was a better offensive weapon batting down in the order vs leading off. The reason sited for his leading off, was to avoid his hitting into DP’s. To me, this is Defensive managing on offense, which is just flat-out weak. Playing NOT to lose, is a fools game.

  26. MTU April 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    trisha-

    Yes. He took a couple of days off.

  27. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Actually, just for risibility, at some point, I’d like to see Nunez starting, Gardner second and Jeter in the three spot. Nunez bunts, Gardner fights off ten pitches and walks. Double steal and away we go. Talk about terrorizing pitchers and the infield in an uproat. It’s totally out there but it is a viable option.

  28. jacksquat April 18th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Wait and see if Jeter improves his hitting vs rhp over the past two years. If not, then Gardner should lead off vs rhp and Jeter should be in the bottom third. But Girardi wouldn’t have the stones to do that unless Jeter’s overall numbers got pretty bad.

  29. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Well, in my opinion – If ARod, Teix and Grandy keep on pulling everything and going for the bombs the Yankees are done like dinner and the whole year is academic. Throw in Swisher, Martin and you don’t have an offense, you have a disaster. The Tampa, Texas, Detroit starting pitching will put them down. I just hope they see the light during the early season as in this road trip.

  30. Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    “If ARod, Teix and Grandy keep on pulling everything and going for the bombs the Yankees are done like dinner”

    They won’t, though… these guys are good hitters. Its probably one of the few things in the world anyone would actually trust Arod to know how to do.

  31. Tackelberry April 18th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Arod has always been at his best when he hits to right-center and right. Hate when he tries to pull everything. Tex seems to take ball the other way better as a righty hitter. Lefty he is alot more pull conscious. Granderson I don’t worry about. He has been pretty steady since he made that adjustment at the plate back in August of 2010

  32. blake April 18th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Alex has actually hit a lot of balls hard right at people lately….I think he will be fine.

  33. MTU April 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    People worry so much about our O but IMO it is gonna have to be our Pitching which carries the day for us.

    The Yankees are constructed to have a respectable to very good O but oustanding Pitching with great depth.

    There are better hitting clubs but few with better overall Pitching.

    That’s my thought for the day.

    Gotta run, or should I say walk ?

    Hike day today.

    Catch you all later.

    Have a good one.

    :)

  34. blake April 18th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Can we get two good starts in a row tonight? Go Kuroda

  35. NYYanksFan April 18th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    “Well, right now, Jeter is carrying the team,”

    His batting average is good but he’s been as bad as the rest with RISP.

  36. MTU April 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    blake-

    In order for the Yankees to get thru this next stretch they are going to have to get quality SP.

    Let’s hope the staff pulls it together at the right time.

    I don’t think the Yankees outslug the Rangers and Tigers easily.

    Boston will be looking to get themselves back on track too.

    later.

  37. Bret The Hitman April 18th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Eduardo Nunez could start at shortstop on several teams. With Jeter and Arod there is really nowhere to put this guy. It’s sad because his bat is gold.

  38. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    The thing that bothers me concerning A-Rod is his foot speed on the bases. The guy Now lumbers around the bases, making me believe his hip and or knee is still a problem. He also seems to be hitting the ball on-the-ground a lot. He is no where near the hitter we saw in the early stages of the 2011 season. NOT even close.

  39. blake April 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    “I don’t think the Yankees outslug the Rangers and Tigers easily.”

    I think the Rangers lineup is just better than the Yanks to be honest….the Tigers is good but its more focused around two guys…..not that the rest isn’t solid bit I think the Yanks coukd hit with them….the Rangers lineup is circular with pretty much everyone but Young in their prime….its a tough lineup and they’ll be a scary team if they get starting pitching…..if I were power ranking right now the Rangers would be #1 easily IMO.

  40. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    LOVED seiing the R\Sox get pummeled last night. What a beat-down in Bean Town.

  41. Wang IS Taiwan April 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Jete’s hitting righties pretty darn well since his return from his injury (.307). This is from Sherman’s Hardball. It’s worth a read. Also some thoughts on V and Yuk.

    “Considering the dismal history of older shortstops, I definitely believed Jeter was in his decline phase and needed to be de-emphasized. In particular, I believed he needed to be dropped toward the bottom of the lineup or be given more off-days when the Yankees faced righty starters. In that period from June 2, 2010 through July 4, 2011, Jeter hit just .232 against righties with a .297 on-base percentage and a .287 slugging average. But in those next 78 games, Jeter hit .307/.361/.395 against righties.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....z1sP4ySRcL

  42. ADam April 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Brett Gardner should be playing EVERY Day… I’m not sure what is confusing Girardi about this… The guy should be an all star and GG winner and Girardi is treating him as if he’s a platoon guy.

  43. jacksquat April 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Like I said, wait and see if Jeter can continue what he did vs rhp in the latter part of last season.

    But I wouldn’t hit him #3. Cano, Arod and Tex + Granderson are the middle of the order and they need to get it done. I’m confident they will hit better than they have so far.

  44. Howe Farr April 18th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    LOVED seiing the R\Sox get pummeled last night. What a beat-down in Bean Town.

    _________________________________________

    Did you actually watch the entire game with your 2 eyes, if not, how do you trust the Box Score?

  45. Wang IS Taiwan April 18th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    “His batting average is good but he’s been as bad as the rest with RISP.”

    Jete’s got 9 RBI, only Swish has more with 11.

  46. vinny-b April 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    lol

    funny, how today everyone on this site loves Nunez. Rather predictable, no?

  47. Bret The Hitman April 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Vinny,

    I picked Nunez as my breakout year player before spring training even started. At the same time his value as a starting shortstop is escalating fast around the league. I would demand a ton for him if a GM wants him. I remember the Braves asked for him in the offseason. The list is going to grow.

  48. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    funny, how today everyone on this site loves Nunez. Rather predictable, no?

    ———————————

    Nunez was a rook last year and was dumped on unmercifully, as to his defense. Thankfully management addressed the footwork problems. We saw last year what he was capable of when he got some extended playing time. I was very encouraged last night. Everything was nice and smooth, looked easy. I really enjoy watching players develop. One of the funner parts of watching baseball when all that’s left is watching others do it.

  49. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    The “breakout” guy is Phelps. Looking to 2013, and eyeballin’ the goal of $189 Mill\2014, I let Swish walk, and see if Nunez can handle RF.

  50. delvec19 April 18th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Anyone know if Tex is playing tonight?

  51. JM April 18th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    teixeiramark25 Thanks for all of the get well wishes. Feeling good this morning, ready for a big #Yankees win tonight!

    Seems like Tex will be back.

  52. BD (Boston Dave) April 18th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Blake,

    I wouldn’t discount AJax, Avila, or Young in that lineup this year (not that you are) – I agree the lineup revolves around Miggy and Prince but there are other very key parts and even if one of those two slumps that lineup can score.

    If Ajax’s adjustments are going to continue to make a difference, that would be astronomically huge for that lineup.

  53. JM April 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Verducci on the rash of closers breaking down….

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....t=hp_wr_a4

  54. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “His batting average is good but he’s been as bad as the rest with RISP.”

    Hitting with RISP isn’t usually a durable metric.

    Jeter:

    .367 .385 .633 1.017 OPS+ 174

    He’s carrying the team.

  55. GAMEDAYGOODS April 18th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    As a Sox fan I dislike Gardner… The reason I don’t like him is because of his performances like this… But I have to say that there is nothing better than seeing a guy who works his tail off succeed

  56. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Verlander goes down, and the Tigers are toast. Leyland and the pitch counts are a throw-back. Guy musta Never heard of Wood or Prior.

  57. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    As a Sox fan I dislike Gardner… The reason I don’t like him is because of his performances like this… But I have to say that there is nothing better than seeing a guy who works his tail off succeed

    ————–
    Yep, I have the same sentiments about Pedrioa. It’s grudging but it’s honest. He hot dogs and catches the Pete Rose disease, occasionally. But after all is said and done, the little git, got no reverse.

  58. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    JM – thanks very much for the link. that’s one of the best articles on analysis (leave it to verducci to be creative and thoughtful) that i’ve read in a long time.

    the nytimes had, a few weeks ago, a long article on the next big breakthrough in the game (post-beane-ball). I think it was written by tyler kepner. one of the things brought up by gms was the increasing emphasis on injury prevention. if you’re going to be limited by payroll restrictions of one sort or another, then you better make sure the players you are paying are capable of performing.

    it’s cuts across all organizations. everyone has problems with pitchers breaking down. (mo is such an aberration it’s unreal.) it would be an interesting question to put to brian cashman. a lot more so than stuff about make-up trades.

  59. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    BD,

    Yea….I agree the Tigers have a good lineup…..I just meant that compared to Texas I think there are more guys in theirs you can pit h to and get out with good pitches……there is no rest in the Rangers lineup

  60. JM April 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Joe from LI –

    Yes, until reading that I guess I had not realized the extent of the closer injuries. It really appears to be an epidemic. Kind of calls into question the whole construction of modern bullpens.

  61. Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “Fifty percent of all starting pitchers will go on the DL every year, as well as 34 percent of all relievers, according to research by Stan Conte, director of medical services for the Los Angeles Dodgers.”

    Wow.

  62. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    “Yep, I have the same sentiments about Pedrioa. ”

    I agree…..that little runt can play on my team any day….he’s a gamer…

  63. Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    “Kind of calls into question the whole construction of modern bullpens.”

    Verducci must read LoHud because I think LGY and/or Jerkface talk about this all the time.

  64. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Talking on radio about whether the cutter is ruining Jon Lester…..seems like its an epidemic….

  65. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    “Talking on radio about whether the cutter is ruining Jon Lester…..seems like its an epidemic….”

    It’s kind of amazing how Pettitte has navigated around the wear and tear of throwing the cutter for so long even though it has taken a toll on his arm.

  66. luis April 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Good afternoon everyone,

    About Gardner: I think he should play every day. His rare combination of speed, defensive prowess and bat make him too valuable to be sitted in the dougout.

    About Nunez: As i have been saying all along, the kid will surprise more than one poster around here. He has speed, a cannon for an arm, a very good bat and with enough reps at the positions (SS and 3B), he will master them. He is a keeper.

    About Detroit and the Rangers: Yes they are both very good teams. I tend to agree with Blake that the best team in baseball right now is the Rangers. Very balanced team. About Detroit, they are not a fruitcake either, but they are somewhat easier or so it seems. The bad part of this, is that the Rangers are here to stay for a while. Again a very balanced team.

    Blake,

    You were right all along, he was dropping the arm angle. Thankfully it was just mechanical, still i think he dropped it in the 7th again in the stretch. He needs to work on that, because you are not going to have perfect innings everytime.

  67. JM April 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    # Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    “Kind of calls into question the whole construction of modern bullpens.”

    Verducci must read LoHud because I think LGY and/or Jerkface talk about this all the time.

    Absolutely! :)

  68. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I don’t if anyone has done a study on this or not….but there does seem to be a lot of starters who start throwing cutters…..fall in love with them…..and then lose velocity or effectiveness with their other pitches……Dave Duncan wont teach the cutter to his pitchers.

  69. sunny615 April 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Just out of curiosity… why do people slide into first base. I thought running through was proven to be faster?

  70. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Pitcher’s need to check-in with ex-Chucker\Dr. Mike Marshall. He had over 200 IP outta the bullpen in “74″. Saw him do a piece on the MLB Network regarding how to throw, exercises to build the proper muscle memory, etc. THAT guy knows his stuff.

  71. 86w183 April 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Cutters and splits are not generally conducive to durability. sure there are exceptions, but for the most part that’s the case.

    2-seam, 4-seam, change up should be the three most used pitches in the game… and they would be if the bleeping umpires would call strikes above the bellybutton

  72. luis April 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    sunny615 April 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Just out of curiosity… why do people slide into first base. I thought running through was proven to be faster?

    ========================

    Phoney perception that you arrive faster at the base.

  73. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    “Just out of curiosity… why do people slide into first base. I thought running through was proven to be faster?”

    Unless it is done to avoid a tag (a very rare occurrence), they do it because they are not thinking in a rational way.

  74. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “Thankfully it was just mechanical”

    Yes…very much so……very glad…..cause a lot of times that indicates shoulder pain.

  75. 86w183 April 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    dumbest thing in baseball — diving into first base

    second dumber thing in baseball — Joe Buck

  76. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Mike Marshall has some really interesting ideas…..it seems like most of baseball treats him like a crazy old man or something though while they sit there and watch pitchers continue to get hurt at an incredible rate……

  77. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    While the common perception is running through 1B is faster, Gardner said last year he studied tape and he gets to 1B faster in certain situations by diving.

  78. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    I would like to see a stop watch-like device that calibrates would Gardner thinks he sees. I ran track for years. You don’t get to the tape faster by diving.

  79. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Gardner can also throw rising fastballs!

  80. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Dumbest thing in MLB is the continued rampant use of chewing tobacco. HD reveals this clearly. Millionaire $$$ athletes voluntary subjecting themselves to this is just plain Stupid.

  81. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Reasons for diving into 1B

    1. Avoid the tag on a high throw
    2. Looks cool on TV
    3. Try to fool the umpire.
    4. Get dirtier and add to your gritty factor.

  82. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t know if Gardner is actually right but I do think it’s impressive he attempted to study the situation.

  83. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    If people want to destroy themselves while not hurting others, it’s fine with me. But it should be taxed to offset future healthcare consequences.

  84. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Maybe Gardner’s giant head weighs him down when he’s upright.

  85. luis April 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    LGY,

    The diving doesn’t make sense. Because in order to dive you need, you decreased your speed in order to do so. The sliding should only be used to avoid a tag.

  86. 86w183 April 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Donnybrook —- I agree — Of course nicotine is an acceptable PED

    If I owned a club in MLB I would send ALL organizational pitching coaches to meet with Mike Marshall to fully understand his theories.

    MLB always considered him odd, but the man could pitch forever and he does have a PHD in Kinesiology.

  87. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    blake – i don’t know enough about kinesiology to know if what marshall is selling makes any sense, but he does advocate for a different way than what is conventionally done. as verducci so eloquently puts it…..what’s being done isn’t working. so, why not look outside the usual box…..how much worse could it be?

    kaat always says that muscles are muscles, and they get stronger the more you use them. maybe he’s on to something…..kaat might know something about pitching, after all.

    that, and get rid of the omnipresent radar guns. i think there’s way too much emphasis the past decade on velocity, how hard someone throws, so that pitchers fall in love with throwing as hard as they can. heck, look at moyer – he’s as old as methuzala, and he doesn’t seem to get caught up in velo….

  88. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    ” Of course nicotine is an acceptable PED”

    How does nicotine enhance performance?

  89. m April 18th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Gardy!

    Marchand had this blog post about Gardy up last night.

    Nearly identical career OBP from both sides.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....e-left-out

  90. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Joe,

    Yea I agree….maybe they do need to consider other ideas……..I do think there is something to the Terry Pendleton “you can’t pull fat” idea…….not that guys need to be out of shape….but the modern athlete is so strong and so wound up and tight that perhaps it does make injury more likely….perhaps the bones, ligaments, tendons..etc in the body aren’t designed to handle some of the forces they are able to put on them over time? Who knows.

  91. 86w183 April 18th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    it’s a stimulant…. artificially increases energy by accelerating heart rate of the user.

    THAT’S why it become so popular in baseball, not flavor

  92. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Go back to the dead ball era. That’ll teach ‘em.

  93. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    “it’s a stimulant…. artificially increases energy by accelerating heart rate of the user.”

    So is caffeine. Is that a legal PED? And have either been shown to enhance performance?

  94. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Moyer probably knows something about how a baseball stored inna humidor carries when struck. MLB should have a uniform protocol as to how Spaldings are stored.

  95. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    In an attempt to advance the discussion, my scientific opinion from my non-scientific background is that you can distinguish track and running to 1B.

    In track it doesn’t matter how far past the finish line your final stride takes you. In baseball you need to touch 1B which often requires shortening your final stride.

    Shortening your stride slows you down as well. Potentially more than diving.

  96. luis April 18th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Coincidentally i watched the movie “Moneyball” last night. It is very hard to change the ways of an industry as old as the MLB. It will take a team with enough resources and no fear of their pears to try Marshall theories. I do think that some of the things that Marshall preaches are very sound and are based in common sense. I wish they would give him a shot to prove his theories

  97. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Why do you think Chamberlain was constantly pounding down the Red Bulls?

  98. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    “In track it doesn’t matter how far past the finish line your final stride takes you. In baseball you need to touch 1B which often requires shortening your final stride.”

    I view touching the bag as a potential issue when you have to cut while round a base. I never viewed as a problem when you can run straight through. Maybe I’m wrong.

  99. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    “Shortening your stride slows you down as well. Potentially more than diving.”

    Fair point.

  100. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    “Why do you think Chamberlain was constantly pounding down the Red Bulls?”

    There is a difference between the pursuit of a buzz and then tying that buzz to an enhanced performance.

  101. blake April 18th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Too bad Bobby V isn’t on baseball tonight anymore so he coukd give a 30 minute monologue on running vs sliding into first base and enlighten us all.

  102. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    as a yankee fan, i think bobby is exactly where i want him.

  103. UnKnown April 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Too bad for the Rangers they haven’t been able to turn this nice run they have been on the last few years into Championships.

    They might be better this year than the last two years.

  104. Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Guys….. did Bobby V’s restaurant really invent the wrap?

    I’ve been mocking him endlessly but one of my (Met’s fan) friends keeps pointing to some Wikipedia page that swears its true.

  105. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    So the “greenies” are off limits, but the Red Bulls, cappachinos, and chewing tobacco till you look like Sparky Lyle are OK? Robin Williams goes the endless cups of cappachino route before going on stage, and look at that whirling dervish.

  106. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    as a yankee fan, i think bobby is exactly where i want him.

    —————–

    Hear, hear

  107. luis April 18th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    UnKnown April 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Too bad for the Rangers they haven’t been able to turn this nice run they have been on the last few years into Championships.

    They might be better this year than the last two years.

    =============================

    This Rangers team is very good….No weaknesses, very balanced team. Maybe the BP is not as good as before, but the combination of offense and pitching is awesome.

  108. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    “So the “greenies” are off limits, but the Red Bulls, cappachinos, and chewing tobacco till you look like Sparky Lyle are OK?”

    I have taken amphetamines when I was younger. There is no comparison between the effect of those and any amount of legally available caffeine products.

    But again, where is the evidence that they increase performance?

  109. Warning Track Power April 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Chris Stewart for Mayor of The Bronx!!!

  110. TheStraw April 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Verducci’s article simply underlines again how Mo is a once in a lifetime player. Hopefully DRob will take the mantle with half the success Mo has had.

    For those of you pining for Gardner to lead off, remember that he was tried there a few times and his numbers went south dramatically.

    Did anyone bet that at this point in the year Chris Stewart would have more RBI than Robinson Cano?

  111. luis April 18th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Did anyone bet that at this point in the year Chris Stewart would have more RBI than Robinson Cano?

    I wouldn’t have bet that Stewart would have more RBI’s than MO. :D

  112. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    The “greenies” I have heard MLB’ers say, got them back on the field\day game after night game, hangover, etc. I’m Not saying amphetimines or stimulants improve performance.

  113. luis April 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    But that’s how it goes, Baseball surprises you in the most amazing ways. You leave a player for dead and suddenly he comes back to life. Reverse jinx in effect

  114. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    “You leave a player for dead and suddenly he comes back to life.”

    I love having been wrong about Jeter.

  115. versonine April 18th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    C Stew!!!!!!

  116. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I wouldn’t have bet that Stewart would have more RBI’s than MO.

    —————————-

    Actually I liked his swing. I’m surprised he isn’t more effective. Don’t remember if it was this way before or it’s a recent development.

    Never understood the long swing, all it does is make you swing harder, not faster.

  117. luis April 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Rich,

    You were not the only one. I remember how his swing looked so slow that he couldn’t catch up with any fastball, so he had to commit early in order to hit it, with the expected poor results from such approach (If you swing early you don’t know if it is a strike or out of the zone).

    You look at Jeter now, and he seems to be in his prime years or very close to it. And you said it before, is against logic. How many 38 years old SS do you see play the game at a high level?. Not many. Let’s enjoy it while it lasts, and let’s hope that keeps surprising us.

  118. Warning Track Power April 18th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I wouldn’t have bet that Stewart would have more RBI’s than MO.

    —————————-

    Actually I liked his swing. I’m surprised he isn’t more effective. Don’t remember if it was this way before or it’s a recent development.

    Never understood the long swing, all it does is make you swing harder, not faster.
    *****************************************************************
    K Long must be working a lot with Stewart to get that swing improved. I’m not looking for great numbers from Chris, but what he did last night was a HUGE BONUS!

  119. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Guys….. did Bobby V’s restaurant really invent the wrap?

    ———————-

    I’ve heard him tell the story.

    Special customer…ran out of the bread…put it in a tortilla…yada,yada,yada

    My answer to that is, yeah? what about a burrito?

  120. luis April 18th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I wouldn’t have bet that Stewart would have more RBI’s than MO.

    —————————-

    Actually I liked his swing. I’m surprised he isn’t more effective. Don’t remember if it was this way before or it’s a recent development.

    Never understood the long swing, all it does is make you swing harder, not faster.

    ===============================

    Me too. But he had this fame of not hitting a lick. In the morning thread Rich and I were discussing him, he said that the lineup would have to step it up in order to compensate or something along those lines (Rich please correct me if i am wrong). And I said that he would go 2-4, it always works that way. Last season was Jones, this early season was Ibanez and now is Stewart ‘s turn . The reverse Jinx at full effect

  121. Locke April 18th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    I don’t like this talk about trading Gardner.

    He is an amazing defensive player and I love him on the base paths. With the impending salary cap I don’t like the idea of trading away our cost controlled players.

  122. Pat M. April 18th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Rich in NJ……Black Beauties or White Crosses were available much like vitamins were back then……Especially helpful on doubleheader Sundays in July & August after a Saturday night game

  123. 86w183 April 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Rich NJ —-

    Are you intentionally being obtuse? There is ZERO documented benefit from any specific performance enhancing substance, legal or illegal.

    However hyper stimulants are bound to have that affect at least on some people. You get more from “greenies” than you do from nicotine and you get more from nicotine than a comparable amount of caffeine.

    Does an artificial stimulant enhance performance? Certainly it does some of the time. Why do you think they were soooo popular, especially in clubhouses on days games after night games and back in the train era and commercial flight era.

    It’s also why many in baseball believe that the amphetamine ban has had much more of an impact than the steroid ban.

  124. G. Love April 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Look, let’s stop dancing around the truth.

    Minka Kelly is a succubus. She’s a female demon sent to take powers from great men.

    Now that Jeter has banished the succubus, he’s hitting like Jeter again. It’s a night & day difference. He has power to RF. He’s faster.

    It had nothing to do with Denbo, Long or injuries. He was under the power of a female demon, defeated said demon and regained his powers just in time.

    It’s clear as day people.

  125. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    86w183

    “Are you intentionally being obtuse?”

    No, I was just fishing for insults…

    “There is ZERO documented benefit from any specific performance enhancing substance, legal or illegal.””

    Exactly my point.

    “However hyper stimulants are bound to have that affect at least on some people”

    As I said, I prefer evidence.

  126. Niblick April 18th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    “Gardner shows what he can do for the Yankees”

    I guess Joe really is blind, since he is so keen on platooning him.

  127. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “Black Beauties or White Crosses were available much like vitamins were back then……”

    I know, Pat. :)

  128. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Now that Jeter has banished the succubus, he’s hitting like Jeter again. It’s a night & day difference. He has power to RF. He’s faster.

    ——————————————————————-

    I recall the same thing happening with Mariah Carey.

  129. G. Love April 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Jeers,

    Jeter was meant to be a eunuch. “No time for love, Dr. Jones” indeed.

  130. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    I thought Jeter won Minka back with a custom gift basket.

  131. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    “I thought Jeter won Minka back with a custom gift basket.”

    Purchased on QVC.

  132. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Baseball is a funny game. Everything has been done before. They’ll forget it for a while then reintroduce as the latest and greatest. K Long preaches basics, etc etc. Next, they’ll rediscover the hitting slot, short to the ball etc.

    I’m waiting for some guru to start preaching against weight lifting, it used to be anathema. You want loose, long muscles as opposed to short, tense ones. Pitchers loosen up for a reason.

  133. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Jeet going the Roy Hobbs route. So when do we getta look at his version of Glen Close.

  134. Tackelberry April 18th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Is it just me or does anyone else think Maria Menuendos is really hot?

  135. blake April 18th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    “Minka Kelly is a succubus. She’s a female demon sent to take powers from great men.”

    Lol….where else will you see the word succubus on a baseball blog. There is a show about Succubi on Sci fi that’s pretty good

  136. DONNYBROOK April 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Forget QVC. I wanna buy some of that Worthless desert land they are attempting to sell on AAN.

  137. Pat M. April 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Tackelberry…..I have her in the DWTS pool

  138. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    G Love,

    Aren’t eunuchs castrated? I wouldn’t want that. He’s probably at his best when he’s “backed up”

    Like DeNiro in Raging Bull with the pitcher of ice water.

  139. 86w183 April 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Rich NJ — I apologize for the snarky word.

    You’ll never get the documented “evidence” you are looking for without a controlled study.

    Most of the people testing positive for steroids since testing began have been mediocre – to – lousy players. Steroids are designed to enhance workouts and speed recovery. Stimulants are designed to speed up heart rates and artificially increase energy.

    People wouldn’t take them if they didn’t think they were enhancing their performances… but frankly, we can’t prove it either way.

    That’s why I am so strongly opposed to the way a handful of players are essentially banned from Cooperstown for their experimentation w/ steroids during a time when baseball had no rule against it and openly embraced the Sosa/McGuire HR race even AFTER the discovery of “Andro” in Big Mac’s locker.

  140. G. Love April 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Jeter just needs a Stevie from East Bound & Down to stand up in the stands for him when he needs inspiration.

  141. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Pat M

    Off topic, how many summers did you work construction? That used to be the standard weight training.

  142. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    I’m waiting for some guru to start preaching against weight lifting, it used to be anathema. You want loose, long muscles as opposed to short, tense ones. Pitchers loosen up for a reason.

    —–

    How do you develop loose, long muscles?

  143. G. Love April 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Jeers,

    Fine. Castration is taking a bit far I guess. What about an in-season chastity belt? It’d be like he’s wearing a cup all the time. It’s practical in that sense.

  144. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Melky Mesa seems to have things figured out right now. Hopefully, either he or Johnson can get to scranton and she how they do at that level. Mesa hit his 4th homer today, a 3 run homer giving him 11 RBI and a .295 BA. Only 5 strikeouts in 47 at bats. Johnson is hitting .375 with 4 homers but 10 strikeouts in 32 at bats.

  145. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    86w183

    No problem.

    At least with steroids, the advantage is often readily observable.

    “That’s why I am so strongly opposed to the way a handful of players are essentially banned from Cooperstown for their experimentation w/ steroids during a time when baseball had no rule against it and openly embraced the Sosa/McGuire HR race even AFTER the discovery of “Andro” in Big Mac’s locker.”

    There was a rule that empowered the commissioner to act in the best interests of the game, but I essentially agree with you, largely because Selig constructively approved of it. What really bothers me is that some of these players continue to lie about it even in the face of ample evidence to the contrary.

    If they would admit, it would be easier to give them a pass, imo.

  146. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    How do you develop loose, long muscles?

    —————————————

    Used to be Construction, (shoveling sand or cement), Lumber yards, (loading lumber) or if you were a farm boy – pitching bales all day would have you loose till you dropped.

    Strength and stamina

  147. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Used to be Construction, (shoveling sand or cement), Lumber yards, (loading lumber) or if you were a farm boy – pitching bales all day would have you loose till you dropped.

    ———————-

    How do those activities affect the muscles differently than weight lifting?

  148. 86w183 April 18th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Rich in NJ

    I agree… I’ve often called for Selig to announce an industry-wide mea culpa with no scapegoating for those who’ve been identified/caught.

    Have a great rest of the day all….

  149. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    i thought jeter and minka were dating in 09? that was a pretty good year for him, no?

    but, i did find the whole concept of the succubus to be interesting.

  150. blake April 18th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “How do you develop loose, long muscles?”

    Yoga, nicotine, and HGH

  151. blake April 18th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    I think the real succubus may have been Rianna on Matt Kemp.

  152. tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    LGY,
    Those activities used every muscle in your body. Tossing hay into a wagon with a pitchfork is different from doing curls and squats and dead lifts. You did all those things at one time.

  153. Nick in SF April 18th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    I heard she could suck a bus through a gar– wait, what!!?!? Never mind. :shock:

  154. HebrewHammer April 18th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    I hope Tex still has the Flu and is out tonight. We’re much more productive without him. Like I said, I’d rather have this team with all no name youngsters than overpaid old men who come here for a payday, then go to sleep.

    keep martin out as well, I’ll take Stewart’s bat for now.

    Jeter and Gardner are the best players on this team. Yet Joe sits Gardner. I’d rather have Gardner up with runners on the anybody else right now.

  155. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    i was waiting for nick to chime in.

  156. JM April 18th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Jeter and Gardner are the best players on this team.

    Robbie Cano says “hello.”

  157. Nick in SF April 18th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    I’m giving myself a time out. :oops:

  158. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    How do those activities affect the muscles differently than weight lifting?

    ——————
    You’re using your whole body to achieve results from, your wrists, shoulders, back to your legs . Pick up a shovelful of sand and throw it five feet, then repeat – if you don’t use your whole body, you’re dead within the half hour. It even teaches weight transfer because you have to step into it. Reps no matter the weight are focused on individual muscle groups, short term.

  159. tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Bo,
    You and I have done it, I guess.

  160. versonine April 18th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Robinson Cano’s hitting thus far this year does not say hello.

  161. Tackelberry April 18th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Pat M. April 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    Tackelberry…..I have her in the DWTS pool

    ___________________________________

    Wouldn’t mind having her in my swimming pool

  162. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    talk about short-sightedness

    twits or trolls. one or the other.

  163. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Those activities used every muscle in your body. Tossing hay into a wagon with a pitchfork is different from doing curls and squats and dead lifts. You did all those things at one time.

    ————————-
    Thanks Tom.

  164. versonine April 18th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Imagine how good our team will be when Robinson actually decides he’s going to max effort in his plate appearances.

  165. blake April 18th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Bo knows is on to something…..there is no way Rocky could have beat Ivan Drago if he had worked out in a gym

  166. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    How does using all your muscles at once impact them differently than concentrating on one group at a time?

  167. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Basically you’re saying focusing on individual muscle groups one at a time creates short, tense muscles while using several muscles at one time creates long, lean muscles.

    Do you have anything to support this theory?

  168. blake April 18th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “How does using all your muscles at once impact them differently than concentrating on one group at a time?”

    I don’t know…but I think maybe it does….maybe work like that allows all those stabilizing muscles that get missed isolated workouts to form along with everything else and provides more balanced strength……im no expert in this at all…..but to me it makes sense that if you have some muscles that are focused on that are stronger than others then it coukd lead to injury…..id think that all your muscles need to progress equally ideally so that you don’t get more force than things can handle.

  169. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    I once had a summer job, unloading box cars of cement, weighed about 165. The job involved picking up two bags of cement, 80 pounds apiece, walking down a plank, over to a bin, tearing them open one at a time and dumping them into a bin – all day.

    That fall in PT, I was asked if I wanted to try the 100 pound bench press. You can guess the results.

  170. Villa Nova-Ya April 18th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Kettlebells.

    Good overall workout.

  171. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Blake

    But that assumes you are able to equally distribute the weight when doing manual labor. I find that highly unlikely especially after you start to feel fatigued.

  172. UnKnown April 18th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Getting these last two on this homestand would be big.

  173. tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    LGY,
    I don’t know, but in the gym I might suggest that one is looking for aesthetics over flexibility. I worked at a nursery, planting big trees with a pick, shovel and tree cart, or down on my knees planting perennials, into my late fifties. I was never in such good shape in my life. I needed 4500 calories a day just to maintain my weight. I could lift, bend, throw that shovelful of dirt 8 feet, and tote a hemlock with a four-foot hemlock tree up a 45 degree bank. Don’t know how one would train for that, without doing the required tasks everyday.

  174. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Do you have anything to support this theory?

    ————————————–

    No, no – theory is an idea not backed by experiments. This was a truism in baseball until about 30 years ago.

  175. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    And this conversation totally ignores the fact that weight training is no longer some archaic lift as much as you can at one time activity.

    Expensive machines, intelligent people, and qualified trainers have developed programs and exercises to mimic manual labor type activities except in a more controlled and presumably safer fashion, in addition to other full body workout training.

  176. tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    “hemlock with a four-foot rootball”

  177. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    I had a trainer that had me flipping tractor tires.

  178. tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Work out in a gym two or three days a week, with your personal trainer, then try doing what Bo and I are talking about. You’ll hurt all over, for days or weeks.

  179. Jerkface April 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    That doesnt have anything to do with having long loose muscles.

  180. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I had a trainer that had me flipping tractor tires

    ————————
    I’ve seen that in the Dominican.

    Disagree completely. That’s a max effort as soon as fatigue sets in.

  181. spidanyc April 18th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Mark Melancon – R – Red Sox Red Sox optioned RHP Mark Melancon to Triple-A Pawtucket.
    Source: Nick Cafardo on Twitter Apr 18 – 2:38 PM

  182. JM April 18th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Carig analyzes Arod’s slow start:

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....witterfeed

  183. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Expensive machines, intelligent people, and qualified trainers have developed programs and exercises to mimic manual labor type activities except in a more controlled and presumably safer fashion, in addition to other full body workout training.

    ——————————
    Then why are so many baseball players bulked up? Half of them look like they’re wearing muscle suits. Basically, they’re what was called muscle bound. Yes, there is equipement and knowledge – API comes to mind or watch skiers training. Compare baseball players like Seaver, Ryan, Bonds to the present behemoths like A Rod or Teixera. The bone structure is designed for a certain muscle mass by genetics. Mess with that and problems develop.

  184. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Disagree completely. That’s a max effort as soon as fatigue sets in.

    ———

    It wasn’t as difficult as I thought it would be. And there were other tire related exercises as well.

  185. luis April 18th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Bo,

    You cite Bonds, you mean Bobby right?. Because Barry Bonds body did have a severe transformation…. from lanky and athletic to a bulky guy with lots of power.

  186. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    You cite Bonds, you mean Bobby right?. Because Barry Bonds body did have a severe transformation…. from lanky and athletic to a bulky guy with lots of power.

    —————–
    Yep, threw in there as a kicker. Just as smart ass.

    But seriously, A Rod ripped a hip muscle, and he’s not the only one. How the hell does that happen.

  187. LGY April 18th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    There are two premises being floated here.

    That manual labor somehow creates long, long muscles while weight training develops tight muscles. I haven’t seen anything scientific to support that, but maybe we have something for the second premise.

    How do we know muscle bound baseball players are a bad thing? Are there more injuries now than in the past?

  188. versonine April 18th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Yesterday’s 2nd half of the Knicks game was a complete joke. A foul against the Knicks every time down the court.

  189. tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    LGY,
    All I know was that when I trained for football, my weight went to 220 pounds, and that was in the dark ages. I was strong and cut, too. When I stopped that kind of training, my weight came down to about 195.

    I weighed about that when I began my physical labor career in horticulture. In six weeks, I had more strength, flexibility and endurance than ever before in my life. My weight stabilized at a rock-hard 180, which required 4500 calories a day to maintain, along with about nine or ten hours of sleep.

    No gym of my experience could duplicate that. I was never muscle-bound, just long and loose, as well as powerful. Those were the days!

  190. blake April 18th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    I don’t think manual labor makes long muscles….I think maybe it just works more muscle groups in unison so that more stabilizer muscles work and muscle groups are more.balanced…..no evidence to support it….just makes sense to me…..as for pitchers….I think they just need to throw more….your arm gets stronger by throwing and some teams don’t even long toss……does cutting Jose Campos off at 5 innings when he’s dominating just because he’s young make any sense? Who decides when and why to do this? I don’t know….it just seems to me that their are a lot of theories in baseball these days to prevent injuries……that don’t seem to predictabley work all that well.

  191. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    How do we know muscle bound baseball players are a bad thing? Are there more injuries now than in the past?

    —————————
    Going by that Verducci article, 50% of pitchers get injured a year. There isn’t that much information but those old boys were pitching 300 innings at times. Wouldn’t do that if they spent time injured.

    As to muscle bound – once called puff ball muscles, I’m going by my coaches, this was mid seventies. Don’t have enough expertise to make valid statements. To me, it just seems logical – little guys were hitting baseballs a lot further than the present day boys. They’re moving the fences in, not out.

  192. Bo knows April 18th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    I’m not reccomending manual labor for these millionaires. Though, that would paint a pretty picture. That can be simulated by equipment. I watched some lady skiers training once, now that was impressive.

    Hell, we have the military that trains all the time. Send these jocks to Seals camp. That’ll learn them.

  193. Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    “does cutting Jose Campos off at 5 innings when he’s dominating just because he’s young make any sense?”

    No.

    Happy now? ;)

  194. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Trenton wins, 7-1. here’s the final box score.

    http://www.milb.com/gameday/in.....x_eswaax_1

  195. NYYenigma April 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Brett Gardner definitely has enormous upside. His defense is easily worthy of a gold glove, his speed should consistently keep him stealing bases and scoring runs…he just needs to stay a little more consistent at the plate. He’s good for walks and when he’s hot, he can hit the ball extremely well. Even when he slumps up, his constants like speed, contact, and ability to bunt should be able to keep him away from huge slumps.

    I’ve noticed he’s played very well in may and june but he seems to burn out from injury or whatever and have a worse second half. Although last year he started off horribly in April so this could be the year that Brett Gardner breaks out and plays like the all-star he’s fully capable of being!

  196. Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    “I watched some lady skiers training once, now that was impressive.”

    Cracking up right now at my desk.. you guys need to be less humorous when my boss is around.

    Thanks for the update on Melky, GB. It’d be something if he actually got it together. I sort of figured he was never going to.

  197. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Gardner has a chance to be a solid 9-1-2 type hitter and a top outfielder, as long as he works at it. He does not have “enormous upside” and he is not that good of a bunter. There’s also a chance that last year was as good as he gets.

  198. tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    GB7,
    For all my resolve, I couldn’t get down to Augusta to see the ‘Dogs. Have 42 Red Hat Ladies coming to lunch tomorrow. Oh well, they’re always jolly!

  199. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Shame Spencer April 18th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
    “I watched some lady skiers training once, now that was impressive.”

    Cracking up right now at my desk.. you guys need to be less humorous when my boss is around.

    Thanks for the update on Melky, GB. It’d be something if he actually got it together. I sort of figured he was never going to.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s still got a lot of holes in his swing and his plate judgement is still not very good. He has all 5 tools, but, only 4 of them work consistantly. Johnson is a Branyon/Sexton type of hitter, but, Lord can he mash a baseball when he connects.

  200. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    GB7,
    For all my resolve, I couldn’t get down to Augusta to see the ‘Dogs. Have 42 Red Hat Ladies coming to lunch tomorrow. Oh well, they’re always jolly!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    short, plump little old southern ladies with blue or silver hair and all wearing red hats should be fun, Tom. It’s like watching The eastern Star or Daughters Of The Confederacy parading into a restaurant and all cackling at the same time. Gives me the shakes.

  201. Tarheel In NYC April 18th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Pat Summitt has stepped down from the her position of head coach due to her Alzheimer’s disease. She’ll still be available for consultation, etc., but it’s a sad ending to a pretty phenomenal era, IMO :(

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetw.....#038;cc=fp

  202. versonine April 18th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Shame, ur darn Devils blew a 3 goal lead last night. Awful.

  203. tomingeorgia April 18th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    GB7,
    The Red Hat Ladies always manage to have a few on the bus before they get here. They’ve no other aim than to have a good time. Just hope they don’t break too much.

    Tar,
    Summit is one of the greatest coaches in history. Sad, indeed.

  204. Yankee Trader April 18th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    From the Marc Carig article JM posted @2:48

    Yankees manager Joe Girardi hinted at one of the reasons last night, when he noted how Rodriguez has had little to show for his work at the plate.

    Said Girardi: “To me, he’s hit the ball pretty hard. He’s just got to stop hitting it at people. We talk about this all the time. It’s not like it’s a surprise they’re standing out there. I think he lined out two or three times (Monday) night, and he lined out a couple of times (last night). You’ve got to look for some green pasture.”

    Sometimes that’s a little hard to do when they are playing different “zone” shift defenses on you.

  205. Yankee Trader April 18th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    GB7-

    Where is that other masher-Jorge Vazquez?

  206. Yankee Trader April 18th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Summitt is only 59- indeed a shame to have developed early onset Alzheimer’s Disease.

  207. pat April 18th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    I may be misremembering but…….. Didn’t Andy say he got the HGH from his dad who got it from a health club he went to in Texas?

    jimbaumbach
    Prosecutor says Pettitte should be able to testify about getting HGH from McNamee; defense says that’s irrelevant to Clemens.

  208. Jerkface April 18th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Jorge Vazquez is playing in Mexico.

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    Cracking up right now at my desk.. you guys need to be less humorous when my boss is around.

    ————
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    I tried to make the best of it, unsuccessfully.

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