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Lineup: Cano to DH; Ibanez in LF

Posted by: vmercogliano - Posted in Misc on Apr 19, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

1. Jeter SS
2. Granderson CF
3. A-Rod 3B
4. Cano DH
5. Teixeira 1B
6. Swisher RF
7. Ibanez LF
8. Martin C
9. Nunez 2B
RHP Hughes

 
 

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133 Responses to “Lineup: Cano to DH; Ibanez in LF”

  1. UnKnown April 19th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    # UnKnown April 19th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/…..lem-67196/

    —-

    As explained. Hughes has a good fastball, but when he throws it so much hitters just continue to foul it off. His curve needs to be better, but as many on here have pointed out it just doesn’t have much bite to it. Once in awhile he will drop in a lollipop hook for a strike, but unless he finds some sort of breaking pitch he will never be an effective starter.

  2. UnKnown April 19th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Who exactly was everyone expecting in LF? Get used to lots of Raul with a little Jones and Nunez sprinkled in. Just the way it is right now with Gardner out.

  3. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Nunez. Nunez. Nunez.

  4. UnKnown April 19th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Anthony Swarzak people, Yankees are going up against Anthony Swarzak. Lets Go!

  5. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    I like Nunez in the lineup. I would have put him on LF and Ibanez as a DH where he belongs.

  6. yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    luis, answered you in previous thread. :)

  7. GreenBeret7 April 19th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    SWB Yankees Blog?@swbyankeesTT

    Yanks sign veteran right-hander Nelson Figueroa to a minor-league deal. Placed on SWB’s temporary inactive list.

  8. Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    The key tonight is that Girardi seems to want to give Cano a DH day, although the above lineup has him giving Nunez 2B pointers during the game.

  9. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Hi YF!

    Yo estoy muy bien gracias!

    Thanks for your answer. I have tried repeatedly to use MiLB TV, but it freezes on me after a couple of innings. Very interesting your take, because when you see the Box Score it doesn’t tell you how it was. I am encouraged by your post. ;)

  10. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Ibanez is like heroin to Girardi. If he can’t kick it on his own, an intervention will be needed.

  11. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Nick,

    Nunez will be fine at 2nd. My issue is Ibanez on LF. I would say that after last night, i wouldn’t put Jones on it either.

  12. RhapsodyInBlue April 19th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Levon Helm.

    RIP buddy.

  13. Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Who should be in LF if Nunez is at 2nd?

  14. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Swisher.

  15. Shame Spencer April 19th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Another game at 3B for Arod.. very nice.

    I have a bet with someone he’ll play 100 games there.. I should really start keeping a running tally.

  16. charlestonchew April 19th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I don’t think this is such a big deal with Ibanez in LF because Granderson will just shade to LF with Swisher shading toward center (depending on hitters of course).

    I think Jones is the better defender. You don’t get 10 gold gloves for nothing. His defense LOOKS like he’s not trying, but he is. He’s a hard worker and because he always looks like he’s smiling and kinda goofy doesn’t mean he doesn’t care. Just has a weird face at times. When you look closely, you can see it’s not a real smile, just some teeth showing.

    Great player. One of the greats of the past many years. Sure, he’s old. But he can still play the field. Ibanez, I’m not so sure about. Let’s hope the ball gets hit to center and right.

  17. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    It’s not merely about range. Ibanez is a very, very poor defender in all aspects of OF play.

  18. hardwired7 April 19th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Anthony Swarzak sounds like a character name from Barney Miller.

    Det. Swarzak. He drops in once in a while to visit Barney. He’s always good for a laugh.

  19. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Who should be in LF if Nunez is at 2nd?

    =====================

    What i am saying is that Cano shouldn’t have a half day off. You put him on second and you send Nunez to LF

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 19th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    So that the official post counter doesn’t go off on another tangent and again wrongly accuse me of selective posting, let me say that I likely won’t be participating in game-time chit-chat tonight since the only thing more important than the Yankees (that would be members of my family) have already claimed my time.

    GO YANKS!

    GO PHIL!!!

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OFFENSE!!!

    Starting pitching needs to produce. That turns into a win-win for everyone who truly loves the Yankees. (muwarriors need not apply…)

    :)

  21. Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Cano shouldn’t ever have a half day off? Or just not tonight?

  22. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    In an emergency. I would play Ibanez in LF but at fenway. Never in YS

  23. theREALkevin April 19th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Is it a night game tonight because the game is on MLB Network? Pretty lame if that’s the case. I understand ESPN dictating night games, huge conglomerate, big audience. But MLB Network shouldn’t bump what should have been a matinee series finale to a night game. The Yankees typically play very well in day games at Yankee Stadium. Very disappointed to see this be a night game. Series finales at home should always be day games for the Yanks unless it’s like a Sunday Night ESPN game which I understand.

  24. GreenBeret7 April 19th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Josh Norris?@jnorris427Reply

    Nardi Contreras is here, and he just got a big ol’ bear hug from Chris Garcia. #Yankees

  25. GreenBeret7 April 19th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Dave Winfield?@DaveWinfieldHOF

    Me and Derek Jeter are side by side in hits today, 3,109 and 3,110. DJ, good luck and keep going! Hit me with a text.;-) #MLB

  26. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Cano shouldn’t ever have a half day off? Or just not tonight?

    =============

    At least until Gardner rejoins the club or you rearrange the roster. In any case, i wouldn’t put Ibanez on LF in YS ever.

  27. blake April 19th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Pretty awesome that Girardi keeps putting Ibanez in the outfield when Hughes pitches….especially in one of the biggest LFs in baseball.

  28. Shame Spencer April 19th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    What i am saying is that Cano shouldn’t have a half day off. You put him on second and you send Nunez to LF

    ———————

    Maximize!!!

    We don’t do it enough.. we’re not getting the most potential out of our line up with both Ibanez and Jones on the team. They should have picked one or the other and gone with Dickerson or someone else that actually brought different facets of the game to the table (speed, defense, etc).

  29. yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Shame, you can check it on baseball reference.

    Sounds like Hughes is going to go to his fastball more tonight; maybe what he has wanted to do, but has been told not to in the past?

    Interesting quotes:

    “Pitch count is one thing that stands out,” Hughes said. “I have to be more aggressive, kind of go back to what I really want to do as a pitcher, which is attack early and finish guys off. Do all the little things that lead to successful outings — pounding the strike zone, getting early outs and going from there.”

    Unlike a year ago, when Hughes was struggling to muster any arm strength in April, his arm couldn’t feel better than it does. The fastball has sat comfortably in the 92-93 mph range, but he’s shied away from it at times. That will change Thursday, Hughes said, as he vows to reestablish his heater and curveball against the Twins.

    “When I get in some jams, I almost want to be a little too fine, maybe not go to my fastball as much,” Hughes said. “That needs to be something I improve on. The changeup and cutter obviously have their spots, but when I rely on one thing or another too much, it can sometimes get me into trouble.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z1sWHS2kP0

  30. yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Cano’s had the flu, so maybe they want to give him a breather tonight.

  31. blake April 19th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Please no cutters to Mourneu tonight…..

  32. yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    “In any case, I wouldn’t put Ibanez on LF in YS ever.”

    I don’t think many would.

  33. yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    blake, with Hughes pitching, an especially curious move.

  34. Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    It could be that they think having an extra arm in the bullpen tonight with Hughes pitching is more important than bringing up another outfielder?

    And part of the reason they signed Ibanez is that he can butcher play OF (their logic, not mine).

    And, as YF just said, Cano might need to sit.

    Anyway, Girardi fills out these lineups pretty much just to confound us, so what can you do?

  35. GreenBeret7 April 19th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    From a friend of all.

    Mark Hale ? @HaleMark Jeter, when asked if he knew anything about the old New York Highlanders: “Ask Ibanez.” #yankees

  36. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    YF and Blake,

    I hope i am wrong, but a lot of balls might fall tonight. Especially with Mourneau and Mauer, they are going to pitch them outside, at least that should be the way to pitch them. You pitch to the largest place on the field to give more chance to your fielders to catch the ball.

  37. LGY April 19th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    I wouldn’t have put Ibanez in LF, but I imagine most fly balls are going to be headed towards RF tonight.

  38. GreenBeret7 April 19th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Is Ibanez ideal in a big left field? No, but, he’ll at least give the team his best effort.

  39. Hassey April 19th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Maybe Jeter should “hit Winfield with a text” right now, to ask him to play LF tonight

  40. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Nick,

    If Cano has the flu, then sit him, play Nunez at second and repeat Jones on LF. I do understand the need for another arm by the way, and as far as i know they don’t have an outfielder on the 40 man roster.

  41. Jerkface April 19th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Is Ibanez ideal in a big left field? No, but, he’ll at least give the team his best effort.

    And any player whose defense you trashed is also giving their best effort. The Yankees should not be putting Ibanez in any position to have to give his best effort in the outfield.

  42. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 19th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Is Ibanez ideal in a big left field? No, but, he’ll at least give the team his best effort.

    =========================

    Are you implying that Jones wasn’t playing hard last night? If that’s the case i agree.

  43. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    GB-

    Thanks for the comments from Frankie P. regarding some of our prospects.

    Sounds like he’s pretty high on Austin and Williams.

    And thinks that Sanchez will be a decent C.

    Have you seen Acevedo pitch ?

  44. Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    “I wouldn’t have put Ibanez in LF, but I imagine most fly balls are going to be headed towards RF the bleachers tonight.”

    Fixed? :(

  45. blake April 19th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    “Is Ibanez ideal in a big left field? No, but, he’ll at least give the team his best effort.”

    That’s true….Ibanez gives his all…he’s just old.

    That was a funny quote by Jeter….

    Luis,

    I hope you’re wrong too :)

  46. Hassey April 19th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    over/under tonight – does Hughes make it thru 5 innings?

  47. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Hi MTU!,

    By the way i read your post from last night. I stand corrected. Good post my friend.

  48. randy l. April 19th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    ” I mean, Tex had a very good chance to become a HOF first baseman.”

    luis

    yeah, that ship has kind of sailed at this point.

    but he’s totally set for life.
    i don’t think he”s real worried bout it.

    one thing i’ll say for him is that he keeps in good shape.

  49. Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    So if the calculation is that Ibanez in LF and at the plate with the RH pitcher is better than Jones in LF and at the plate with the RH pitcher, is that really so shocking?

  50. Shame Spencer April 19th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    If Cano’s not feeling well, he should just get a full day off. We have two DHs in Jones and Ibanez anyway.

    And the complaining on my part has nothing to do with watching Ibanez stomp around LF… its just the construction of our bench that drives me nuts because we’re not getting maximum potential, which, IMO, is something we should probably try to do every game.

  51. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Greetings Luis.

    Thanks. I just wanted to clear the record.

    :)

  52. LGY April 19th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Is Ibanez ideal in a big left field? No, but, he’ll at least give the team his best effort.

    ——-

    What is this little league???

    Maybe he should get a trophy after the game as well.

  53. The Genius Maker April 19th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    Alex doesn?t fold under pressure; the media just ran with the small sample size way back when and repeated it ad nauseum. And then they had to eat their words and abandon their narrative in 2009. For Alex, it is all about his health, and not his mental fortitude. If he is losing bat speed, that is a separate issue?

    *******

    Thank you; I am glad someone else understands sample size. The same people talk about how clutch Jeter is yet ARod has outperformed him in the postseason. I cringe when people talk about someone being clutch as the ABILITY to be a clutch performer has been proven to be a fallacy.

  54. yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    LGY, I am thinking the same re: RF, but nevertheless…

    Hassey, good idea.

  55. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    randy l. April 19th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    ” I mean, Tex had a very good chance to become a HOF first baseman.”

    luis

    yeah, that ship has kind of sailed at this point.

    but he’s totally set for life.
    i don’t think he”s real worried bout it.

    one thing i’ll say for him is that he keeps in good shape.

    ============================

    Randy,

    I was always very competitive. So when i put myself in his shoes, i would want to excel. I was brought up that way. I don’t understand his lack of interest of making himself better, i would understand him being incapable of doing it though. Like AJ, he was always trying his best, he just lacked the talent to do so in a consistent basis.

  56. The Genius Maker April 19th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Rich, I agree about Ibanez and have said before the season started that keeping him was a bad idea over one of the younger OF’rs because they will play him in the field and we will lose games as his bat isn;t good either (even if so far he has been as good as one could hope). Last nights game would have been a win if Gardner were in LF and even Swisher was in RF (or a better defender with Swisher at DH.

  57. Shame Spencer April 19th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    What is this little league???

    Maybe he should get a trophy after the game as well.

    ——————-

    :lol:

  58. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    The Genius Maker April 19th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Rich, I agree about Ibanez and have said before the season started that keeping him was a bad idea over one of the younger OF’rs because they will play him in the field and we will lose games as his bat isn;t good either (even if so far he has been as good as one could hope). Last nights game would have been a win if Gardner were in LF and even Swisher was in RF (or a better defender with Swisher at DH.

    ==================================

    +1

  59. blake April 19th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Losing Gardner sucks.

  60. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Shame,

    I would understand sitting Jones for not playing his heart out. Having said that, i stand by my comments that Ibanez should never play the field.

  61. Shame Spencer April 19th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    So if the calculation is that Ibanez in LF and at the plate with the RH pitcher is better than Jones in LF and at the plate with the RH pitcher, is that really so shocking?

    ——————–

    Its really less about the logic behind how he’s using the players he has and more about why it is he has this group of players to work with..

    Anyone pretending having Ibanez and Jones on the same team, both essentially the definition of one dimensional players at this point in their careers, doing the exact same job is a good idea is….. Cashman, apparently. And I don’t get in on the Cash bashing usually but this is just a poorly constructed roster (bench, really).

  62. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Blake-

    On the bright side.

    At least he isn’t Ellsbury.

    :)

  63. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    $200m should buy better depth.

  64. Shame Spencer April 19th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Shame,

    I would understand sitting Jones for not playing his heart out. Having said that, i stand by my comments that Ibanez should never play the field.
    ———————-

    I didn’t get to see if Jones was dogging it or not, so I won’t judge it at all… but this isn’t Girardi’s fault. He’s got basically the same guy in Ibanez and Jones, just inverted.

  65. blake April 19th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    MTU,

    I wish he coukd hit like Ellsbury

  66. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    A lot of the Yankees moves or non-moves were dictated by budgetary considerations IMO.

    With the possible exception of Damon.

    It would be nice to have that 10 million that is allocated to Soriano.

    Pretty expensive insurance.

  67. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    So if the calculation is that Ibanez in LF and at the plate with the RH pitcher is better than Jones in LF and at the plate with the RH pitcher, is that really so shocking?

    ============================

    Not when the amount of run production doesn’t compensate for the loss in the run prevention department. IMO of course

  68. Shame Spencer April 19th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    And to make matters worse.. as I had said once before.. in a situation where it really should always be Ibanez vs. Jones, period, our team is somehow (prior to possibly realizing how important Gardner’s defense is) turning it into Ibanez vs. Jones vs. Gardner.

  69. Yank 97 April 19th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    We’ve played 12 games

    Only 3 starters have recorded a quality start (CC, Kuroda, Nova), or 1 quality start every 4 games.

  70. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    blake-

    What I meant was the severity of their injures.

    ;)

  71. luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Shame Spencer April 19th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    luis April 19th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Shame,

    I would understand sitting Jones for not playing his heart out. Having said that, i stand by my comments that Ibanez should never play the field.
    ———————-

    I didn’t get to see if Jones was dogging it or not, so I won’t judge it at all… but this isn’t Girardi’s fault. He’s got basically the same guy in Ibanez and Jones, just inverted.

    ====================================

    Agreed.

  72. mick April 19th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    I cringe when people talk about someone being clutch as the ABILITY to be a clutch performer has been proven to be a fallacy.
    ==================
    I cringe when I watch a player fail with risp time after time.
    The eyes don’t lie…

  73. blake April 19th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    MTU,
    Yea….very true. How.was fourwheelin?

  74. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    “A lot of the Yankees moves or non-moves were dictated by budgetary considerations IMO.”

    Yes, Levine/the suits have screwed the pooch on A-Rod and Soriano’s contracts, and if they aren’t trying to extend Cano right now, that’s one more mistake.

    So sure, they spend a lot, but not particularly wisely.

  75. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Yank 97,

    Nova’s two starts were both quality starts

  76. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Blake-

    Fantastic. My friend even brought beer along.

    Thanks for askin’.

    :)

  77. Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    So, luis, you would rather see Jones out there tonight because you think his superior defense will compensate for the theoretical advantage that Ibanez will have at the plate vs. the RH pitcher?

  78. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    “I cringe when I watch a player fail with risp time after time.”

    Everyone does. The difference is that some people understand that clutch isn’t particularly durable.

    As Joel Sheehan once wrote:

    “In trying to get across the notion that no players possess a special ability to perform in particular situations, the usual line we use is that clutch performances exist, not clutch players. That’s wrong. The correct idea is that clutch performances exist, and clutch players exist: every last one of them.”

  79. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    “A lot of the Yankees moves or non-moves were dictated by budgetary considerations IMO.”

    Yes, Levine/the suits have screwed the pooch on A-Rod and Soriano’s contracts, and if they aren’t trying to extend Cano right now, that’s one more mistake.

    So sure, they spend a lot, but not particularly wisely.

    ========================================

    +1 Plus the not so smart trades

  80. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Rich-

    With 189 constantly on the horizon there is gonna be a lot less room to paper over mistakes for a while.

    ;)

  81. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    these are not your fathers yankees ,they will not spend willy nilly anymore, the past is the past. Hal is in charge. now we can blame it all on the so called budget.

    unless we win it all it’s a failure=yankee philosophy

  82. Jerkface April 19th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    The eyes don’t lie…

    Your brains lies. And the brain is the thing interpreting and collating what you see.

  83. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Nick in SF April 19th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    So, luis, you would rather see Jones out there tonight because you think his superior defense will compensate for the theoretical advantage that Ibanez will have at the plate vs. the RH pitcher?

    ====================================

    Yes, I think his offensive upside is not enough to cover the risk of his lousy defense, especially with an extreme flyball pitcher like Hughes on the mound.

  84. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    MTU

    Cashman may keep his job no matter, but his true worth is about to be put to the test. So, yes, I agree.

  85. Niblick April 19th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Can’t wait to see Ibanez at Fenway. Playing caroms off the monster might lead to disaster.

  86. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    ok so we are now to believe there is no such thing as clutch.

  87. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    “ok so we are now to believe there is no such thing as clutch.”

    Of course, there is. The point is that it is largely a normally distributed ability, with outliers on both ends of the curve, as one would expect.

  88. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Mick,

    There are clutch performances, just not clutch players. But there are good situational hitting approaches that lead to better clutch performances. Arod is one of the better situational hitters in the business.

  89. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    is it possible to have a yankee mgr that wouldn’t report his every movement to the media?
    would a pinella sit and shmooze with francesa to boost his ratings or
    would he isolate all of the bs and just let them play w/out reporting to the public.

    would we miss the byplay?

  90. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Rich-

    Cashman has been given his marching orders by Hal.

    Can he succeed w/o being able to throw big bucks at just about anything that moves ?

    I will say that the farm under Cashman has really improved. Credit there.

    Now just finish the job by making sure we have the best development people in baseball.

  91. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    luis

    that’s not what joel sherman said:

    “the usual line we use is that clutch performances exist, not clutch players. That’s wrong. “

  92. Rich in NJ April 19th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    MTU

    Yes, and his contract will be up by the time we have that read, so that should enforce some level of accountability.

  93. CompassRosy April 19th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    “Ken_Rosenthal
    Major-league leaders in runs per game: #Indians 6.20, #STLCards 5.83, #Rangers 5.75, #Braves 5.42, #Yankees 5.17.”

    Really?
    Even better then, to see Vargas hold the Tribe to one run last night.
    Here’s hoping Felix can follow suit tonight…

    No Jesus tonight though … as you were.

    :-)

  94. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    arod was not clutch for the yankees until the 09 post.
    he had one good series vs the twins before that.

    countless times he did not come thru just like last year wih tex and swish.

  95. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Rich-

    Cashman has been given his marching orders by Hal.

    Can he succeed w/o being able to throw big bucks at just about anything that moves ?

    I will say that the farm under Cashman has really improved. Credit there.

    Now just finish the job by making sure we have the best development people in baseball.

    ==============================

    I would add, and trusting the product that you have produced. Stop looking for outside solutions.

  96. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Rich-

    Huge gamble on the Montero-Pineda swap.

    He knows it. Mgmnt. knows it. We know it. Everyone knows it.

    ;)

  97. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    girardi says nothing in his interviews
    jeter does the same
    just that jeter seethes and gives dirty looks
    girardi is a nice guy

  98. randy l. April 19th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    “I cringe when people talk about someone being clutch as the ABILITY to be a clutch performer has been proven to be a fallacy.”

    genius maker-

    gotta disagree with you.

    is that like a scientific thing?

    data please

    i’ll give you some date in the other direction. take a look at mariano’s record against playoff teams. he actually rises to the occasion and plays even better.

    i define clutch play as performing normally when you really care about something and you are under pressure.

    just doing what you normally do is what it’s all about. most people choke like dogs under pressure . i’ve done it lots of times. i used to put myself in situations over my head just to practice performing under pressure. i choked a lot. after a while you learn how to do it and get better at it

    i think anyone who pushes their comfort zone knows that clutch exists. they know they have a side that will fold in a heartbeat and a side that hangs in there.

    is all failure choking. no , of course not. but some is . it exists.

    sometimes you can be scared sH$5less and still perform. once after sneaking into a tryout for mlb players only for a winter team , i got asked as a courtesy if i wanted to hit after catching two hours of live BP. i said yeah, grabbed a bat and looked out at the pitcher.

    that was when i saw about 35 major leaguers looking at me from the field and my front leg started twitching. not little twitches. i’m talking big ones, my heel bouncing in the air a few inches in a tapping motion.
    so i went with it. kind of a timing mechanism . i hit about 8-10 straight line drives to the opposite field. (bruce kison has a tailing away two seamer and i’m a lefty)

    for me that time, i both choked like a dog and rose above it because i had practiced doing things i hadn’t done before.

    most mlb players are so good and have been through so much it’s hard to tell choking from just plain small sample or bad luck. but i have o doubt it exists.

    show me someone who says clutch doesn’t exist and i’ll show you someone who has never gone outside their comfort zone.

  99. Jerkface April 19th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    that’s not what joel sherman said:

    You left out the latter part, where all major league baseball players are clutch :)

  100. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    luis

    that’s not what joel sherman said:

    “the usual line we use is that clutch performances exist, not clutch players. That’s wrong. “

    ===================

    Mick,

    My bad, i wasn’t trying to quote Sherman. I was trying to make a point that approach leads to results. Good situational hitting usually leads to good results. That’s a fact, will it work every time? no. But most times it will, therefore the fame of a clutch performer.

  101. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Luis-

    I believe that in spite of protests to the contrary most prospects are seen as potential trade chips only.

    It is not a matter of trust as it is a matter of philosophy.

    I would love to see better development and more patience but I’m not sure I will.

    Few players are gonna reach their potential without the proper guidance.

    That takes extreme talent an really good luck.

    Not a way to run an airline IMO.

  102. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    enough of you fan boy elitists and pollyana brigade come latelys i have important clutch business to take care of…i am taking a walk for healths sake.

  103. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    randy l. April 19th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    IMO, It depends on the approach of the particular player. If he has the right approach, he will succeed most of the times. That ability to stay within, to rise to the occasion is basically the ability to understand your situation and act accordingly. Will you fail? yes, but most of the times it will work. That’s what separates great from good athletes. Call it moxie, call it clutch, is that ability not to lose it when it counts. Arod has it, Jeter has it, Mo has it, that what makes them so especial in their own right.

  104. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    In the Yankee Universe patience can sometimes be measured in what seems like micro seconds in terms of player development.

    When your charter is to win it all each and every season patience usually doesn’t enter into your thinking.

    Without as much money to spend that might have to change a little, at least for a while.

  105. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    too chilly out, you see even i can fold under the pressure

  106. randy l. April 19th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    “Huge gamble on the Montero-Pineda swap.

    He knows it. Mgmnt. knows it. We know it. Everyone knows it.”

    mtu-

    great time for brian to have his midlife crisis , take up rappelling , getting in touch with his wild side,and trading away the best pure bat speed on the yankees in decades.

  107. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Arod has it, Jeter has it, Mo has it, that what makes them so especial in their own right.
    ====================
    dont even mention arod in the same breath as jeter and mo

  108. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Randy-

    Well then. Pineda better pan out in a big way, and Campos too.

    ;)

  109. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    If he has the right approach, he will succeed most of the times.
    =================================
    if 30% is a lot.

  110. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    Hal has temporarily removed the punchbowl.

    :(

  111. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Luis-

    I believe that in spite of protests to the contrary most prospects are seen as potential trade chips only.

    It is not a matter of trust as it is a matter of philosophy.

    I would love to see better development and more patience but I’m not sure I will.

    Few players are gonna reach their potential without the proper guidance.

    That takes extreme talent an really good luck.

    Not a way to run an airline IMO.

    ===============================

    I am not sure i get you this time. I think the budgetary restraints will force them to finally trust their product, whether they like it or not. I think that’s good. They should focus on development. We as fans better learn to have some patience as well.

    I didn’t undrstand the airline part though ;)

  112. randy l. April 19th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    “You left out the latter part, where all major league baseball players are clutch”

    everyone of them made it through huge challenges to get where they are so i could see someone saying that.

    but some players do have a gift. mariano may be so clutch because he cares about more things in life than baseball and has it in perspective. whatever he does, he’s to me clutch personified.

  113. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    we’d better develop and still win now because the bigger gamble comes when the prospects have arrived and the oldies but goodies are gone.

    then it’s a new beginning and they will be compared to the past dynasty.

  114. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Arod has it, Jeter has it, Mo has it, that what makes them so especial in their own right.
    ====================
    dont even mention arod in the same breath as jeter and mo

    ======================

    Mick,

    He is in that category even if he cheated.

  115. raymagnetic April 19th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Clutch is as clutch does, usually.

  116. yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Cash calling out Martin on pitch choices?

    “Jack Curry ? @JackCurryYES
    Going to watch dynamic between Hughes and Martin closely. Cashman said Hughes’s pitches have been solid, but pitch choices haven’t been.”

  117. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    yankeefeminista April 19th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Cash calling out Martin on pitch choices?

    “Jack Curry ? @JackCurryYES
    Going to watch dynamic between Hughes and Martin closely. Cashman said Hughes’s pitches have been solid, but pitch choices haven’t been.”

    ========================

    A potential rift between Munson Martin and Cash? :shock:

  118. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    the nature of a closer is to be clutch.
    every game he comes into gives him this opportunity.

    mariano, as well as andy and jeter did it time and time again in the late 90s in the post.

    no arguing that.
    clutch exists.
    you know it when you see it, if you trust your eyes.

  119. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    He is in that category even if he cheated.
    ===========================
    maybe to you.
    not to most.

  120. Melkmanisinhotlanta April 19th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    “show me someone who says clutch doesn’t exist and i’ll show you someone who has never gone outside their comfort zone.”

    Cashman is odd when it comes to avoiding the re-signing of clutch players like Damon and Melky. Damon literally stepped up his game and delivered in the World Series. What a waste that he didn’t get a deal. Melkman too!

  121. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Luis-

    What I am saying is what the Yankees say and what the Yankees actually do might be 2 very different things.

    They could say they are for developing and keeping players but what happens if they trade most if not all of them ?

    What does that tell you about how they really view their prospects ?

    Are they all reallly that bad ?

    I’m saying that they view most of them as trade chips, as asssets to be used in their dealings.

    Not necessarily as developmental projects designed to be inserted into the parent club.

    And when I said that I din’t think it was a way to run an Airline I meant that I didn’t necessarily agree with that approach.

    Especially in the new financial environment.

    Comprendo ahora Hombre ?

    ;)

  122. Melkmanisinhotlanta April 19th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    I consider my posts clutch as the koolaid drinkers dislike the truth. Montero is going to be the undoing of Cashman. Cashman serves his purpose by improving the farm system. The next GM will have to be a better talent evaluator and take the farm system to the next level. If only Stick Michael could be 50 again lol.

  123. Bronx Jeers April 19th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Eli Manning crafted game winning drives in the final minutes of 2 Superbowls.

    Is he a “clutch performer” ? I say of course he is.

  124. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    MTU,

    No solo comprendo, sino que estoy completamente de acuerdo!

    Translation: We are in total agreement. :)

  125. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    some would say clutch does not exist.

  126. luis April 19th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Bronx Jeers April 19th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Eli Manning crafted game winning drives in the final minutes of 2 Superbowls.

    Is he a “clutch performer” ? I say of course he is.

    =============================

    Yes he is. He is even better than his brother, which in theory had more talent.

  127. Melkmanisinhotlanta April 19th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Now Hughsie has to be clutch tonight or he’s done imo. To think he was supposed to be the next Roger Clemens?

  128. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    I tell you what.

    When I’m drivin’ a car with a stick.

    Clutch damn well better exist or I’m goin’ nowhere.

    :)

  129. randy l. April 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “Going to watch dynamic between Hughes and Martin closely. Cashman said Hughes’s pitches have been solid, but pitch choices haven’t been.”

    i’m not so sure it’s martin’s fault. hughes is a constant tinkerer. if he were a golfer he’d have one swing thought one day and another one the next. he really does need to simply .

    i said this earlier. hughes also pitches too high. he’s got to work lower in the zone. martin has to be in on the fastball/ command approach and of course location.

    i think hughes is going to have a good game tonight. just a hunch.

  130. mick April 19th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    hughes does not go past 6 innings, he is inefficient i n that he’s always at 100 pitches by the 5th.
    he nibbles, does not trust his stuff.
    he can’t overpower which makes his other pitches pedestrian.
    it’s not a mystery…he’s also a laidback Cali kid.
    still think a lot of teams would take a chance on him.

  131. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Randy-

    I agree 100 % about Hughes being a tinkerer. Known fact.

    The guy has had more baseball grips than a luggage manufacturer.

    Time for him to simplify his approach and focus on the basics.

    I’ve said so many times in the past.

    He can be his own worst enemy in that regard.

    I think he should go with 3 pitches right now.

    FB, CU, split or any combo of 3 that works consistently for him.

    Focus on them and ditch the rest.

    ;)

  132. MTU April 19th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    New thread ——>

  133. igotid88 April 19th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Two guys playing the field who can extend the innings for Hughes.


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