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Postgame notes: “I’ve never done that before”

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It’s hard to believe — I could have sworn it had happened before — but Curtis Granderson had never been pushed out of the dugout for a curtain call until his three home run performance in Thursday’s 7-6 win over the Minnesota Twins.

“When I got to the dugout, I think CC told me to go out there and acknowledge the crowd,” Granderson said. “I’ve never done that before. I’ve seen a lot of guys do it, but to actually get an opportunity to do it puts in perspective what you just accomplished.”

Granderson stole the show to help the Yankees salvage a split with the Twins before they head to Boston for their big series with the Red Sox. Phil Hughes had a rough first inning, but Granderson hit all three of his home runs by the fourth inning, becoming the first player to hit three in one game in the new Yankee Stadium.

“What he did today is a special day, and they don’t happen very often,” Joe Girardi said. “He should cherish it, and it’s fun to watch as a manager.”

Granderson’s first home run was a solo shot in the bottom of first that got the Yankees on the board after the Twins had scored four runs in the top of the inning. His second was a two-run shot in the second inning that broke a tie to give the Yankees a 6-4 lead. And his third came in the fourth on a solo shot to extend the lead to 7-4. All three went out to RF, where the short porch has transformed Granderson into one of the biggest power threats in the majors.

“I didn’t know that until you said it, but that’s kind of neat,” Granderson said when informed that he was the first to hit three in the new Yankee Stadium. “Especially with the guys that have played here, with Alex and Robinson and Tex and Swish, those guys seem to put on a show every time they get a chance to play here. I’m very surprised that those guys hadn’t done it yet, but I’m sure I wont be the last.”

• Reggie Jackson was in the house, and said that Granderson’s performance reminded him of his three home run outburst in the 1977 World Series. “Anytime somebody hits three, it does,” he said. “It’s nice to see it happen here for one of our guys, and we win.”

• Let’s put this into historical perspective: Granderson is the first player to ever hit three in the new Yankee Stadium, and first Yankee to hit three in a game since A-Rod at Kansas City on 08/14/10. He is the first Yankee to do so in a home game since A-Rod against the Angels on 04/26/05. This was the 28th time that a Yankee has hit three in a game, and Granderson is the 20th Yankee to do it.

• Girardi talked about what makes Granderson so special: “Curtis brings a smile every day,” he said. “He’s as prepared of a player as any, and seems to bring a lot of energy to his game. He plays defense, plays offense, he’s a complete player. That’s what everyone looks for. You look for a complete player, and we’ve got him.”

• Girardi also talked about why his swing is so perfect for this ballpark: “I think that was one of the reasons that Brian went out and got him, is because he is a pull hitter,” Girardi said. “He’s in a sense built for this ballpark. He can hit the ball in the air and hit it a long way. Pull hitters a lot of the time do very well here… He was just a real good fit.”

• Granderson acknowledged that the ballpark has helped his HR numbers, but said he never goes up thinking about the short porch in RF. “I never go up there trying got pull unless the situation dictates it,” he said. “I end up pulling the ball a lot of the time, but not by design. Having that (short porch) over there helps out, but it also takes away some things. I like hitting triples and you don’t see me getting a lot over there because there’s not a lot of foul territory. So you take the pros with the cons.”

• Granderson also said that he did some extra work with Kevin Long prior to game because he hadn’t been feeling great at the plate. “A lot of work went into today before I actually stepped on the field,” he said. “I had some big issues with timing since the season started, so Kevin Long and I were out there just trying to get timing and rhythm. Pitchers are out there just trying to disrupt your rhythm and disrupt your timing. I was struggling to get myself into a good position to do things when I wanted to.”

• Granderson’s big day overshadowed Hughes, who turned what could have been a disastrous start into a decent outing. He should have gotten out of the first inning unscathed, but an error from Eduardo Nunez ending up costing him four unearned runs. Joe Mauer reached on Nunez’s throwing error with out out, and after Hughes struck out Josh Willingham for the second out, he gave up back-to-back two-run RBI hits. Girardi’s shift against Ryan Doumit backfired when he poked a ball through the vacated hole at shortstop, but then Hughes gave up a hard-hit double to Danny Valencia to give the Twins a 4-0 lead. “That’s baseball,” Hughes said. “I make a ton of mistakes out there, and the fielders are going to make mistakes too. It’s part of the game… When I look back at the first tinning, the big mistake was hanging a slider to Valencia. The base hit that got through on the left side, you kind of say, alright I can live with that, but let’s stop it here.”

• Hughes continuously praised the offense for saving his butt (although he didn’t quite phrase it like that), but he did have a pretty good stretch from the second through the fifth inning, when he allowed only two baserunners. This start could have turned out much different without Nunez’s error, but Hughes still gutted out 5.1 innings and didn’t fold when it looked like things could go downhill quickly. “I felt like my stuff was good,” he said. “Fastball was pretty good, and my curveball was probably the best that its been in a while. There’s some encouraging things. It’s far from a good outing, but still some positives that I can look at.”

• Hughes gave up a two-run homer to Doumit in the sixth for his only earned runs of the game. “I had a changeup that hung out over the plate a little bit,” he said. “That was kind fo a tough one to live with, but the bullpen did a great job again and we were able to hold on.”

• Here’s Girardi on Hughes: “Sometimes you get behind like that and it’s tough,” he said. “Part of it was his doing, and part of it wasn’t. Our guys gave us a lift by getting some runs in the bottom of the inning to get us back in it, and he went out shut the door and gave us a chance to get the lead.”

• Nunez continues to be an adventure in the field, but Girardi plans to keep running him out there. If they can get him to settle down in the field, he’s shown that he can be productive at the plate. He’s definitely got some talent, but you can’t anoint him the shortstop of the future unless he cleans up his sloppy defense. “I look at that, and if you want to call it mental or want to call it physical, the bottom line is that he didn’t move his feet,” Girardi said. “I talked to him about moving his feet, and he threw every ball chest high after that. Every time he moves around (to a different position), it’s a different throw for him, and this is a young kid. This is not a guy that’s been doing this for 10 years. This is a guy that was an everyday shortstop asked to be a utility guy and play an important role for us. … I really believe he’ll continue to get better at it. Last year, he made some errors early on and he kind of settled down after he played more.”

• Once again, the bullpen was spectacular. Bullpens can be so unpredictable from year to year, but last season’s success seems to have carried over into this year. Boone Logan, Rafael Soriano, David Robertson and Mariano Rivera combined for 3.2 scoreless innings. “We have quality arms down there,” Girardi said. “They’ve been through this a lot. A lot of them have been around for a while, and been in some tough situations. Robby kind of burst onto the scene against Minnesota awhile ago in the playoffs – that’s where he made a name for himself. Booney has been throwing the ball great, Soriano has been around for awhile, so we’ve got good arms down there.”

• Mark Teixeira hit his first home run of the season, a two-run shot in the first. “I just see him swinging the bat, and swinging it real well,” Girardi said. “Maybe the day off helped him, he was really run down, and he was fighting it… Unless he can’t walk, he’s going to try to play. I think he’s got his energy back.”

• Girardi also talked about Russell Martin, who is now hitting .133. “We had to make a little adjustment,” Girardi said. “Mechanically, he was a little off. It might take him a few days to get going… I think his swings have been better. I know the production hasn’t been there, but he’ll get better.”

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106 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I’ve never done that before””

  1. Rich in NJ April 20th, 2012 at 12:58 am

    Hughes is showing enough that he has to continue to start, if not in NY, then with the AAA roadshow. It would be inexcusable negligence to do otherwise given his still existing upside flowing from: the progress he has shown in his pitch development, his relatively young age, the investment they have in him, and the question marks concerning many of their other starters.

  2. UnKnown April 20th, 2012 at 1:15 am

    The Halos are going to let the West get away from them in the first month of play. I sure didn’t see that coming.

    Yankees goal has to be a minimum of 2 wins this weekend. Especially because I think they have the starting pitching match ups on their side all weekend.

  3. igotid88 April 20th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Testing 123

  4. Nick in SF April 20th, 2012 at 1:25 am

    I like the original “Taking of Pelham 123″.

    The book is good too.

  5. igotid88 April 20th, 2012 at 1:28 am

    Against All Odds says:

    April 20, 2012 at 12:40 am

    That’s because the playoff starts are more recent. The first 2 starts against TEX occurred at different moments one in 07 and one in 09.
    ———————

    My point is the doubters look at the last start and say he can’t be a starter. But completely ignore his good ones. This is my 4th attempt hence the testing post

  6. lounge lizard April 20th, 2012 at 1:48 am

    “When I look back at the first tinning, the big mistake was hanging a slider to Valencia.”

    Phil uses the “s” word, so I guess that settles what he thinks he’s throwing anyway. Pitch to Valencia looked very much the same as the HR pitch to Kendrick on Saturday. When Tim McCarver called that pitch a slider, I thought, silly man, Phil throws a cutter not a slider.

    Silly me. A possibly significant development in the Phil reportoire but unless/until he sharpens it up I’d aim it further off the plate.

  7. MoRings42 April 20th, 2012 at 1:52 am

    • Let’s put this into historical perspective: Granderson is the first player to ever hit three in the new Yankee Stadium, and first Yankee to hit three in a game since A-Rod at Kansas City on 08/14/10. He is the first Yankee to do so in a home game since A-Rod against the Angels on 04/26/05. This was the 28th time that a Yankee has hit four in a game, and Granderson is the 20th Yankee to do it.

    —————–

    Maybe my brain is fried from the few shots I had tonight but does that make sense to anyone else.. especially the last line.

  8. lounge lizard April 20th, 2012 at 2:03 am

    The last line should say three not four. Otherwise it makes sense. 20 different Yankees players have hit three in a game, some more than once for a total of 28 occasions.

  9. Jerkface April 20th, 2012 at 2:08 am

    I don’t think its Phil’s old slider, but the ‘cut slider’ he developed in spring last year (the same time as Nova) where he said he wanted to use a slower cutter as an out pitch.

    If it is a slider its not a very good one. And pitchfx calls it a cutter anyways…

  10. MoRings42 April 20th, 2012 at 2:14 am

    lounge lizard April 20th, 2012 at 2:03 am

    The last line should say three not four. Otherwise it makes sense. 20 different Yankees players have hit three in a game, some more than once for a total of 28 occasions.

    —————

    Ok my brain is fried then because that does make sense.

  11. Nick in SF April 20th, 2012 at 2:19 am

    But ESPN said he was the first Yankee ever to go 5-5 with 3 homers, so let that further fry your brains.

  12. lounge lizard April 20th, 2012 at 2:43 am

    “Cut slider”, OK, that sounds more polite than “slutter”. But if he throws it again to a right hand power hitter and cuts it to the fat part of the bat I will think impolite thoughts nonetheless.

  13. Against All Odds April 20th, 2012 at 6:54 am

    igotid88 April 20th, 2012 at 1:28 am

    Against All Odds says:

    April 20, 2012 at 12:40 am

    That’s because the playoff starts are more recent. The first 2 starts against TEX occurred at different moments one in 07 and one in 09. ———————

    My point is the doubters look at the last start and say he can’t be a starter. But completely ignore his good ones. This is my 4th attempt hence the testing post

    —————-

    It’s not just the last part they look at. It’s his body of work that cause ppl to question if he can start.

  14. Benny Blanco April 20th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    Factoid:

    Yankees have played 13 games and only used the same starting lineup twice????

  15. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Boston has the worst team ERA of any team in MLB.

    We should be able to take 2 of 3 from them.

    ;)

  16. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    Vince,

    Your posts are a pleasure to read!

  17. yanks61 April 20th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    Good morning everyone.

    Boy, I don’t know what to think of young Mr. Hughes: a paragon of complexity that can’t be easily analyzed or just a plain, outright, obvious failure?

    No matter how much we’d all like to see him fulfill his potential, there has to be a point, and that point is probably very soon, where the NYY have to make a decision. Obviously the budget comes into play in this decision as well. And this just emphasizes, once again, that no matter how much promise a player seems to have: you can never know and you have to be ready to let go.

    Like everybody else, I have no idea if Pineda will reach his full potential, but it’s darn comforting to know that he is there as still another possibility to reach the heights nearly everybody hoped that Hughes would attain. The jury is still out on the B’s, Kuroda is probably gone next year, one way or another (cost or because he’s not effective enough this year), Andy may or may not have much left in the tank and may or may not be around next year. Phelps shows promise but has not been tested anywhere near enough yet.

    OK, I won’t write this in caps, not to annoy certain folks (which, since I can’t italicize on here seemed like a capital idea!), but I will strongly assert once more that you need lots of pitching because you just never know who’s going to pan out, who’s going to get injured, etc. So, I say again, having added Pineda into the mix gives the Yanks, going forward, the possibility of having a number 2 or 3 starter, along with Nova and behind CC. I don’t see where else that number 2 or 3 is going to come from – at least not for another 2 -3 years. Even if Banuelos comes back strong this year and works his way into the rotation next year, the likelihood of him getting into the picture as a 2 or 3 starter before 2014/15 is not very great.

    You know what, you really need a lot of pitching! And where’s the downside? If everybody ( please read “everybody” in capital letters!) – CC, Nova, Pineda, Banuelos, and even Hughes or anyone else is pitching great – that just gives the Yanks the option to decide by 2014 which pitcher (s) can be traded for some other need.

    Meantime, they have the comfort of numbers to mitigate the risk. Because it’s pretty much acknowledged that you’re lucky if you get one or two excellent starters out of the group of young pitchers (and I still include Nova in that group) that Yanks currently have ML ready or close to ready.

    Finally, what a fabulous hitting performance by Mr Granderson! The Yanks offense to the rescue of a rough start! The Yanks have to get better starts though, because we can’t expect even a first rate offense to overcome 5 runs or more per game given away by the rotation.

  18. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    Wang-

    Good morning.

    They are. He does a nice job. Way better than Heyman.

    But I wonder what has happened to Chad ?

    He was only supposed to take a couple of days off.

  19. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:20 am

    Benny,

    I hate that Girardi doesn’t give the guys a chance to really solidify their play together with one lineup. He’s always trying to be cute or absurdly rest guys to the point that their timing gets off.

    He never played in the field, nor was he a great batter, so maybe he doesn’t get it. Personally, I think he’s just trying to flex his managerial muscles, to the detriment of the team.

    Another thing — give them a day off or don’t. This rotating DH thing he seems to think is brilliant is a mess.

  20. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Hi MTU!

    Yeah, I’m starting to worry because usually Chad tells us when he’s got a long stretch. I hope he and his family are OK.

    Love Chad, but Vince is such fun to read.

    Hey — what kind of dogs are your Mops? Is that a breed of dog or just your nickname for them? Always wondered.

  21. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    61-

    To be honest I am tired of analyzing Hughes.

    I pull for him but he just needs to go out and pitch.

    Clock is ticking.

    Agree with you on having depth. It’s a good thing and gives us a competitive advantage IMO.

    :)

  22. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:13 am
    Boston has the worst team ERA of any team in MLB.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    But you know? They always seem to gear up for us, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they play better this next series. Oh, and Girardi’s always resting someone when we play them. I want our A lineup out there and I want to BEAT them. I don’t care if they stink or not. It’s braggin’ rights.

    I didn’t know their ERA was SO bad… ;)

  23. blake April 20th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    Yea like JF said……if hes trying to throw a more slider like cutter then its just not very good….doesn’t have much vertical depth or deception to it at all.

    Hughes was at his best last night as usual when he was attacking with his fastball….I thought his curveball was a little better and he threw some decent CUs…..but he still.doesn’t have that go to breaking pitch he can miss a bat with….it was a better but still not great outing.

    Id love to take this first one at Fenway today…..go Nova

  24. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Wang-

    This is them with their Summer haircuts:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/TusharsATV?authkey=Gv1sRgCML8ocXY9qbXUQ#

    They are Shih Tzu’s.

    :)

  25. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Blake-

    The 2ndary stuff still needs work.

  26. Villa Nova-Ya April 20th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    the bones of Girardi’s lineups are consistent.

    He is not the only one using a “rotating DH” in baseball, and in fact that seems to be the way teams are using DH these days rather than paying an aging player megamillions to fill a one-dimensional spot on the team.

    Girardi’s got several veteran players with lots of mileage on their legs, and a team that apparently has been fight the flu.

    The guys whose timing are off, reportedly, are Martin and Grandy, and probably Cano’s as well. Those guys play virtually every day. Cano and ARod when not in the field are in the lineup. Not so many days off. The half days at DH are designed to keep their bats active.

    I’m not sure I agree that guys need rest in April, but I do think it’s a good idea to keep all your players somewhat engaged in play so that you don’t find yourself going to a player who’s’ been rotting on the bench for two months at a crucial point of the season.

    I’d also want to take a look at some of the lineups that Joe Torre used in his heyday. I seem to recall a few moving pieces.

    Girardi is not perfect, but he is not this egomaniacal guy trying to be “cute” that some of you seem to be bent on portraying him as.

  27. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    MTU,

    They’re adorable! My brother has a Shih Tzu and he’ll get up on my brother’s shoulder while he’s working at his computer and just stay there — head facing towards my brother’s back and body strung out over his shoulder (kind of like he’s being burped). GREAT breed of dog.

    To be honest, I never liked the “yappers” (small dogs) because I grew up with big ones who ran around in our back yard, but after getting to know the Shih Tzu, I was sold.

    I pictured you walking giant, lumbering wolf hounds or something.

  28. blake April 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    MTU,

    I agree….but if you look at last night…..Hughes really should have been out of that inning with zero runs twice….Nunez throws one away with two outs…..the next hitter flared one through the infiled against the shift……..

    he didn’t pitch great and he didn’t pick up his defense…..but if Nunez makes that play the narrative is probably a little different this morning…..all the sudden that homer in the 6th makes the game 7-2 and nobody cares.

  29. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Wang-

    Same here. I always had large breeds until these little guys.

    I am embarrased to tell you how much I love them.They are generally very quiet unlike most small breeds.

    Very athletic too. Not just lap dogs.

  30. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Villa,

    I know you like Girardi much more than I do, but Torre had pretty consistent lineups which changed much rarely. I remember the first season when “guess the lineup” game was popular here. That’s because we were not used to seeing the constant changes with Torre as we were with Girardi.

    Yes, I do believe Girardi likes to think he’s a managerial genius, but that’s a personal opinion. He’s been a disappointment in every area for me except for keeping the bullpen arms from falling off.

    We have to agree to disagree.

  31. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Blake-

    Of course.

    The 2ndary stuff still is a work in progress.

    The curve looked better.

    Needs the split.

    ;)

  32. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    MTU — that’s the thing: they really are remarkably quiet! I have no problem understanding your soft spot for those two little guys.

  33. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Yikes — “much more rarely”

  34. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Girardi is a poor man’s Tony La Russa.

    Not a big fan of Mgr’s who seem obsessed with matchups.

  35. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Time for a burrito to start the day off right.

    ;)

  36. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    NY/Boston series

    RHP Ivan Nova (2-0, 4.15) vs. RHP Clay Buchholz (1-0, 9.82), 3:05 p.m., NESN, YES, MLB Network

    Saturday: RHP Freddy Garcia (0-1, 6.97) vs. LHP Felix Doubront (0-0, 5.40), 4:05 p.m., FOX

    Sunday: LHP CC Sabathia (1-0, 5.59) vs. RHP Daniel Bard (0-2, 4.63

  37. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Bard walked 7 batters in last start.

    Talk about some fine control.

    :)

  38. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Am I the only who thinks Buttholz looks like a walking corpse.

    Could have starred in “The night of the living dead”.

    :)

  39. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Obviously, Buttholz did not get in on any of those chicken wings flying around the Boston clubhouse.

    That boy needs some chow bad.

    ;)

  40. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Buttholz does look emaciated. His ERA, though, is nice and fat.

  41. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    A thing to really like about Phelps is his command.

    He throws strikes.

    Gotta love that in a young Pitcher.

    One of the reasons Pineda has so much promise.

  42. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    MTU — gotta run.

    Have a good one!

  43. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Wang-

    I’d like for the Yankees to assist him in that regard.

    With his ERA that is.

    Since he likes it high I think we should help him out.

    They say charity begins at home but in this case it begins away.

    ;)

  44. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Have a good one Wang.

  45. Wang IS Taiwan April 20th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    MTU –:)

  46. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Why is everyone so subdued this AM ?

    We won last night didn’t we ?

    :)

  47. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    The Halos are gonna demolish the O’s and we’re gonna take 1st place by the end of the Boston series.

    Right ?

    ;)

  48. yanks61 April 20th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    MTU

    If he continues to struggle, is the best solution sending him down to work on whatever ails him? As someone pointed out last night, sending him down before 01 june extends NYY control to 2014. That means the Yanks have more time to see if he’s ever going to figure it out.

    I don’t think they get much back for him in a trade right now and wouldn’t want to move him just yet anyway. Of course, if they could trade Soriano, I think the Yanks might be happy to move Hughes to the pen (not saying I agree, but that might be what they’ll do.) What do you think?

  49. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    61-

    What I think the Yankees should do and what they might be inclined to do are 2 different things.

    What I would do would be along the lines you mentioned. Off to AAA.

    What I guess the Yankees would do is send him to the Pen.

    That’s my take FWIW.

  50. Betsy April 20th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    So Joe is going to keep running the disaster of a fielder in Nunez no matter how god-awful he is in the field. That’s a funny way to show love for your pitchers, lol. I don’t know why the Yankees have a huge blind spot for Nunez, but they do and it’s annoying

  51. Betsy April 20th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    I don’t blame the Yankees at this point for Phil and if they choose not to send him to AAA, I wouldn’t blame them either. Why should they spend the next year or so trying to develop him when they have other, younger and very promising arms? More importantly, what exactly would the payoff be? A back end starter?

  52. Betsy April 20th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    The host on WFAN made a good point last night. Once there were two outs in the first, Phil has to get out the “immortal” Ryan Doumit and Danny Valencia. I might give him another start or two, but he’s killing the pen. If he’s as bad as might be predicted against Texas, I suspect that might be his last start.

  53. blake April 20th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    “So Joe is going to keep running the disaster of a fielder in Nunez no matter how god-awful he is in the field. That’s a funny way to show love for your pitchers, lol. I don’t know why the Yankees have a huge blind spot for Nunez, but they do and it’s annoying”

    I think a couple of things…..one he does have some tools and can do some really nice things offensively and on the base paths…..two he does have the athletic ability to play a lot of positions ……and he seems to be a really good kid that they like personally.

    The issue though as you mention is that he is just had fundamentally on defense…..im sure they just want to play it out and see if he can get better…..because if he can then you have a really valuable asset……but I agree….its frustrating

  54. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Blake-

    I have the perfect cure for Nunez’s error problem.

    Get him an electric dog collar and every time he makes one. Give him a jolt.

    That’ll stop it. In a hurry.

    :)

  55. Betsy April 20th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Blake, he’s not nearly special enough to deserve this rope that he’s getting defensively. Sure he’s a nice bat, but those are a dime a dozen. He may or may not be athletic, but he’s got hands of stone and that matters a lot more. AS to his personality, boy – if they are playing him because they like him, then they need to get out of the sports business ASAP. I know I don’t need to tell you this, of course. The idea is to win games; the majors is not a place to be working things out. If they really want to get him more in-game practice, then send him down.

  56. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    And if that doesn’t work have him spend a week with Larry Bowa.

    That’s worse than the electric dog collar.

    ;)

  57. The Genius Maker April 20th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Lounge Lizard, Phil threw a fastball (92), a cutter (88), a slider (83), a curve (79) and a change up (82). I can see all the pitches, but if you can’t follow the movement, the speed can help (in parenthesis). the change has a left to right movement, although it would be better if he had a little bit more downward movement. The cutter goes right to left, similar to the slider, but the cutter is faster and not as sweeping. The curve breaks more top right to bottom left. Hope that helps.

  58. Villa Nova-Ya April 20th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Wang IS Taiwan -

    I guess what I see in the lineups is that most of the lineup stays the same, and there is a logic to it, though I understand that’s where the disagreements fall, in those spaces. :)

    As to the disaster of a fielder in Nunez – what I noticed this year is that his first day at any different position, his throw are off. But the next time he’s better.

  59. The Genius Maker April 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    I agree about Nunez and I wrote that in my blog
    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/
    Nunez has been a disaster in the field. I think Girardi doesn’t understand the importance of defense otherwise there is no excuse to not have a good defensive OF’r on the roster instead of another pitcher we don;t need. One run game in the 9th and you have Ibanez in LF and Nunez at 2nd base??? Are you kidding me?

  60. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    VN-

    You’re a little late.

    Wang in Taiwan has left the building for the day.

    Just thought you might want to know.

    ;)

  61. yanks61 April 20th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    MTU, thanks for your take on Hughes.

    Betsy, I can understand your point of view. I think it’s a good argument, however unless they have an opening in the pen, then sending him to AAA just maybe gets him straightened out. At this point, though, they obviously have to do what’s best for the team, whatever they feel that may be.

    I also agree that management cannot react like fans. I like Nunez – a lot. But they need to get this guy better at defense, especially if he’s going to be an all-around super-utility guy, never mind Jeter’s eventual replacement. But is it not possible that his defensive flaws are a result of too little playing time? It may just be that other aspects of his game are more important to the Yanks right now. I have a feeling that if he played a full season or two that his defense would improve. Of course, in the meantime, the Yanks have to be prepared to take a hit with the errors. Tough one to figure out.

    It might just be that his ultimate value will be in a trade. A lot folks here have said there are a number of teams who look at him as a full-time player. If he has a reasonably good year this year, perhaps they’ll look at who’s available in exchange.

  62. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Consider this quote from the Bible when evaluating Nunez at present :

    “The Nunez giveth and the Nunez taketh away”.

    :(

  63. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    61-

    You live in France.

    Is that correct or do I have you mixed up with someone else ?

  64. randy l. April 20th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    i had a hunch hughes would be ok last night.

    he wasn’t great , but now he has something to build on.

    i think 14+ games is still possible if he’s not bumped from the rotation.

  65. Benny Blanco April 20th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    MTU,

    whats up with Phil Hughes’s fastball command? It has not been good. Is it arm angle? Or is he not getting on top of the ball?

  66. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Randy-

    The 2ndary stuff still needs el mucho worko.

    ;)

  67. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Benny-

    It is a mystery to me.

    Used to be a Hallmark.

    At least the velocity has returned.

    The 2ndary stuff is a much greater concern right now IMO.

  68. The Genius Maker April 20th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Hughes had terrible command of his fastball yesterday. I thought his secondary pitches were pretty good, but he hung a few changes and the slider while not in a horrible spot, was a bad 0-2 pitch (it was more of a good 2-0 pitch). His curve and slider were effective outside of that. He didn’t throw the cutter more than a few times and I think he missed with it every time (part of poor fastball command).

    Rivera had his nasty cutter going and he was throwing 92; that was a great sign

  69. randy l. April 20th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    “The 2ndary stuff still needs el mucho worko.”

    mtu-

    how could that be?

    al kinds of people on the blog who know who they are said hughes had nothing more to learn in the minors.

    they now say pineda has nothing more to learn there.

    the lesson from hughes should teach caution to all who advocate rushing based on results with just a few plus pitches ay triple a.

    i would have a starter have to win games in four different ways to pass my gaunlet to the majors.

    he’d have to win a game throwing nothing but fastballs.

    win one throwing only fastballs and change ups

    win one throwing only fastball and a slider or curve

    win one throwing all four pitches equally in a game.

    and then i’d have him do it again.

    … and then i ‘d take him to a trampoline center to see how he bounces and does flips…

    scratch that last test :)

  70. randy l. April 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    hughes would not have passed my test when he was brought up.

    he would have failed the change up test.

  71. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Genius-

    Depends on how you define pretty good I guess.

    Curve looked OK. Threw a few good ones.

    Change needs work.

    Cutter should be scraped altogether.

    If he doesn’t make it in the Ro give him the Halladay treatment.

    Send him down and tell him he ain’t coming back until he can throw any 3 pitches effectively in any count.

    Of course the Yankees will probably just stick him in the pen if he fails.

    ;)

  72. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Randy-

    Mistakes were made in the past in terms of development.

    Let’s just hope they stop.

    As I said above.

    If Hughes falls out of the Ro I’d send him down and tell him he isn’t coming back until he can throw 3 pitches effectively in any count.

    And as far as Pineda goes he shouldn’t return until he can do the same.

    ;)

  73. Bo knows April 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Just in passing, his curve wasn’t in the high seventies, it was a looper. If it was in the high seventies I’d be doing Hosannas.

  74. pkyankfan69 April 20th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Not too concerned with Martin’s offense… Might be batting .133 but he still has an OBP of .395 and is playing solid defense. Some hits will start to fall in for him and he’ll run into a HR ball every now and again.

    Tex’s last week or so has been a pleasant surprise… Hopefully he can keep it up… A Tex batting .280+ with his typical OBP and power #’s would be a nice boost to the offense.

  75. yanks61 April 20th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    MTU – Sorry, I’m stepping in and out. Yes, you’ve got the right Yanks61!

  76. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Every time Nova was sent down to complete a task he did so with flying colors.

    Why can’t Hughes do the same ?

    And if he can’t he doesn’t graduate.

    They have the depth to allow it.

    Apparently learnin’ on the job isn’t so easy at the ML level.

    Especially if you do not have a solid enough base to operate from.

    ;)

  77. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    61-

    Thanks.

    That just means senility has not taken over completely.

    I follow your Country’s upcoming change with interest.

    ;)

  78. Against All Odds April 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Of course the Yankees will probably just stick him in the pen if he fails.

    ———————-

    That is definitely what they will do. I’d be surprised if they didn’t.

  79. Bo knows April 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    I’ve always been a fan of the sinker and the rockin chair pitchers that put hitters to sleep. Loved Maddox and Wang. As to Hughes, I’ve yapped about his inability to finish pitches, forever, but I do wish he’d work on a sinker. Probably can’t do it.

  80. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    AAO-

    You and me both.

    ;)

  81. yanks61 April 20th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    MTU – Yes, this going to be quite a change, I think. Of course, as an American, I don’t vote. But my wife, who’s French, will be voting Sunday.

    I’ve been here now for 28 years. So, I’ve gone through two terms of Mitterand, two of Chirac and one of Sarko. It’s been interesting!

  82. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    If Hughes is not doing better and Pineda is perhaps they swap places at some point.

    ;)

  83. yanks61 April 20th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Whoops > Yes, there’s going to be quite a change, NOT this going to be…!

  84. blake April 20th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    “Sure he’s a nice bat, but those are a dime a dozen.”

    Yea….but bats that can play SS aren’t….Nunez drives me nuts too but I think they are kinda treating him like a project just to see……they have no SS depth in the system….Culver looks like Iglesias 2.0 so far in A ball.

    I really don’t know what they can do for Nunie….he has the athletic ability….its most always footwork and concentration…..last night was just a concentration error and also likely him not playing 2B much…..he got careless and it cost him….

  85. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    61-

    Didn’t the French invent the phrase, “The more things change the more they remain the same.” ?

  86. Bo knows April 20th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Send Hughes to Cossack dance school. He’d have his hammies loose in no time.

  87. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Bo-

    Maybe Phil needs to “hang ten” more often instead of offspeed pitches.

    Surfs up Phil.

    :)

  88. Bo knows April 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I keep preaching patience with Nunez. He’s learning three positions at the Majors level. He’s looking much better on his throws at SS. The young man has a hell of a toolbox.

  89. NYYROC April 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I thought PH did get out “the immortal” Ryan Doumit in the 1st when I saw the weak GB heading toward SS. But Joe “I wanna be as smart as Maddon” Girardi shifted on Doumit like he was David Ortiz.
    Valencia isn’t Longoria but he pounded DRob’s FB like a rented mule for double later in the game.

  90. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Time to walk the pupperazzi and create some pupdemonium.

    BIAW.

  91. Bo knows April 20th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    MTU

    Look at images 5 through 8. I’m joking but not really

    http://www.shumka.com/gallery/.....tage-dance

  92. blake April 20th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Nunez reminds me of Alexi Ramierz …..who was also an error machine when he first came up. The difference is that the White Sox could just play him at SS every day and eventually he improved…..Nunez is trying to play all over the place sporadically and it’s not easy…..the Yankees are trying to use him as a utility infielder and develop him at the same time and those two things really don’t go together….

    I think it’s worthwhile to stay the course with him and keep trying….but it is tough to watch at times…..hopefully the reward one day will be worth it and they’ll either have an every day player or a super valuable utility guy that can hit, run, and play everywhere effectively.

  93. yanks61 April 20th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    MTU April 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am
    61-

    Didn’t the French invent the phrase, “The more things change the more they remain the same.” ?

    MTU – Tout a fait! “plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose” is a French proverb.

  94. DONNYBROOK April 20th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Nunez should be groomed to replace Swish in 2013. Till then, Girardi is using Every Ave\position possible to get his Stick in the order.
    Regarding Hughes, ALL of you have been Sucked into the Yankee hype. Your setting the bar to high for him. At this point in time, he simply is NOT the Chucker you guys Think he should be, and that is because you bought into the Hype\Tripe that operates outta Cashman’s office 24\7. Hughes has had some limited success at the MLB level, but this has happened Many times previously. The league will adjust to Chuckers with a limited arsenal. Buckholtz is a Perfect example of this occuring elsewhere. You guys simply fell for that old Shuck-and-Jive that has been netting ticket sales, and unbalanced Yankee trades for years and years. This is why I preach WATCHING a player, (young or old\Halladay) over a period of time, and making your Own evaluation. Avoid falling into that trap of becoming a Yankee Parrot.

  95. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Bo-

    :)

    That would put most people in a Hospital.

  96. MTU April 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    And I’m not kidding.

    ;)

  97. Against All Odds April 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Where did everyone go?

  98. GreenBeret7 April 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    The Genius Maker April 20th, 2012 at 9:08 am
    Hughes had terrible command of his fastball yesterday. I thought his secondary pitches were pretty good, but he hung a few changes and the slider while not in a horrible spot, was a bad 0-2 pitch (it was more of a good 2-0 pitch). His curve and slider were effective outside of that. He didn’t throw the cutter more than a few times and I think he missed with it every time (part of poor fastball command).

    Rivera had his nasty cutter going and he was throwing 92; that was a great sign

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Wht “poor fastball command” would that be? The slider/cutter for the double or the hanging curveball for the homer? The only fastball that was hit was to Doumit that beat him inside and he chipped it through the left side. He allowed 2 singles from the double to the homer. Walking Morneau was no crime. Morneau has been butching Yankee pitching for years…everyone of them. It could be argued that two errors were committed that inning. One was Nunez and the other was Girardi’s shift on a guy that’s hardly a dead pull hitter.

  99. pat April 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    I’ll assume the Yankees have been more selective in who they invite to attend special events at The Stadium rather than Jose has had to RSVP unable to attend due to prior planned social engagements.

    JoseCanseco
    I hope a riot doesn’t start at fenway when they announce me today.

  100. mick April 20th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    nunez is coming around, he wasn’t set at 2B last night on that throw and righted himself thereafter. he did not come up as a utility man. some are just too hard on him .

  101. Jerkface April 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Wht “poor fastball command” would that be?

    Probably the fact that he missed the glove by a mile every time. You know, the definition of command.

  102. Jerkface April 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    HR was on a change up.

  103. JM April 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    YankeesPR It’s the 100th Anniversary of Fenway Park today. 3:15 first pitch. Yanks need a sweep to even their all-time record at Fenway (456-459-4)

  104. JM April 20th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    The Sox’ bullpen ERA is 6.63. Ouch.

  105. The Genius Maker April 20th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Bo knows
    Actually Hughes threw his curve at around 80 last night; it definitely was not low 70′s as you say.

  106. The Genius Maker April 20th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Wht ?poor fastball command? would that be? The slider/cutter for the double or the hanging curveball for the homer? The only fastball that was hit was to Doumit that beat him inside and he chipped it through the left side. He allowed 2 singles from the double to the homer. Walking Morneau was no crime. Morneau has been butching Yankee pitching for years?everyone of them. It could be argued that two errors were committed that inning. One was Nunez and the other was Girardi?s shift on a guy that?s hardly a dead pull hitter.

    ********

    GB7, you must have not watched the game because you are confusing command to what hits happened. Even with that he allowed a homer after falling behind with his fastball. he also started with a fastball most every time and only threw only 26% strikes over the first 4 innings…that number should be 75%! That is 14 out of 19 balls for those counting. When you have no command of your fastball (and command could be wild within the strike zone too) your other pitches will not be as effective. He got some strikeouts with his fastball when he missed his spot by 12 inches. He actually had good life on his fastball, but no command.

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