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Pregame notes: Pineda suffers setback in extended spring

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Apr 21, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Scheduled for two innings, Michael Pineda lasted just 15 pitches in today’s extended spring training start. He was shut down after feeling familiar soreness in the back of his right shoulder.

“That’s the one thing that you can’t control is, when the intensity turns up, how a guy is going to feel,” Joe Girardi said. “He still felt it.”

Pineda is scheduled for more tests on Monday. Until today’s setback, the Yankees believed he was making good progress from the shoulder tendinitis that landed him on the disabled list in the final week of spring training.

“I think it’s somewhat significant just because you were expecting him to build up,” Girardi said. “Now you’re going to have to give him probably a little bit more time than we did before. I can’t tell you when we’ll get him back now.”

• There is much better news on Andy Pettitte, who is scheduled to make his next minor league start on Wednesday with Double-A Trenton. He’s scheduled for 80-85 pitches. Sounds like the plan is for three more minor league starts before a possible return to the big leagues. “I think that’s realistic to look at,” Girardi said. “Three more minor league starts and then you make an evaluation of where he’s at and what he needs.”

• Sounds like Pettitte might wrap up his minor league outings in Trenton. Normally, a Triple-A start or two might make sense, but with the Triple-A team constantly on the road, the situation isn’t ideal. “I think the key is, a lot of times it’s more about pitching at home where you don’t have to travel a lot,” Girardi said.

• Brett Gardner said this afternoon that his strained elbow is feeling much better — it actually felt quite a bit better today than it felt yesterday — but he’s going to wait a while longer before testing it in batting practice. He can’t come off the DL until May 3, so there’s no sense trying to push it right now.

• Girardi said he’s likely to stick with the current left field platoon. It’s possible he would have Andruw Jones and Raul Ibanez in the same lineup one day, but that’s not likely. Essentially, this means a similar platoon for Eduardo Nunez and Eric Chavez, who will give infielders occasional DH days. For now, it seems Chavez will be a regular against lefties and Nunez will be a regular against right-handers. “Unless I was to give Robbie a DH day (against a right-hander) is the only way that it probably wouldn’t happen,” Girardi said.

• Why leave Ibanez in to face a lefty yesterday? “Having a three-man bench is one reason,” Girardi said. “Number two, I felt good about the way Ibanez has swung the bat. It has not been a guy that has been platooned the last 15 years or 16 years, so I just felt it was early enough that I would wait. If something happens to another outfielder, you’re in trouble.”

• That hole in the left field wall is still there right now, but Girardi’s not sure it will still be there for the game. There’s basically a panel missing between the Ball and Strike indicators. “Usually you notice holes in scoreboards,” Girardi said. The Yankees have been told that a ball will be ruled a ground rule double if it’s hit into that hole.

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Mike Aviles SS
Ryan Sweeney RF
Dustin Pedroia 2B
Adrian Gonzalez 1B
David Ortiz DH
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Jarrod Saltalamacchia C
Cody Ross CF
Darnell McDonald LF

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78 Responses to “Pregame notes: Pineda suffers setback in extended spring”

  1. ron April 21st, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I read that arod’s hr bonuses do not count towards the lt.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....tax-67259/

  2. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Andy coming back really softens the blow of Pineda’s setback.

  3. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    I read that arod’s hr bonuses do not count towards the lt.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/…..tax-67259/

    The bonuses do not count as guaranteed money, but that does not mean they do not affect the luxury tax. Page 91 of the CBA:

    (4) Performance, Award and Other Bonuses
    (a) Any amounts that are actually earned by a Player as Performance
    Bonuses, Award Bonuses or any other bonuses properly
    included in a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be included as part of
    the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year in which the service or performance
    giving rise to the Bonus was provided. Potential bonuses
    shall not be included in the Average Annual Value calculation made
    pursuant to Section E(2) above.

    (b) A Special Covenant in a Uniform Player’s Contract that provides
    that Player performance or achievement in one year of the
    Contract will increase the Base Salary in other year(s) of the Contract shall not be considered in the determination of Salary until the
    triggering event occurs (other than, if applicable, as a “potential
    bonus”), unless it is determined by the Arbitration Panel that the
    Special Covenant was designed to defeat or circumvent the intention
    of the Parties as reflected in this Article XXIII. As long as such
    a finding is not made, the additional Base Salary triggered by the
    Special Covenant shall count as part of the Player’s Salary in the
    Contract Year(s) to which it is attributed by the Contract once the
    triggering event has occurred. Multi-Year Contracts shall not be
    recalculated on an Average Annual Value basis once the triggering
    event has occurred; the additional Base Salary shall be added to the
    Salary as originally calculated for the Contract Year in question.

    They will count in the year they are earned. This just stops teams from rigging up the luxury tax to be different in certain years (which can help them backload or frontload contracts).

  4. luis April 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    luis April 21st, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    If this bumper crop of pitchers (Banuelos, Betences, Phelps, Mitchell, etc.) doesn’t flourish, then I think that you will have a point. As it is, it is still a bit too soon to make an assessment. At a minimum Cashman deserves credit for seeing which way the wind was blowing, and working to ween the Yanks off their free spending on free agents.
    ============================================

    Ghost,

    Sorry to cut in, but the scenario that you are portraying is the only one that i can see this trade as a good one. It would prove that Pineda was a necessity and not a luxury. Not likely though. The past wave of talent made it to the bigs in one capacity or another. I would like Oppenheimer to take over and Pena to be the manager.

  5. tucker April 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Yankees better open that checkbook for Soler. The Pineda trade was done to reduce payroll in coming years. They now need to get more young bats in the system to replace the aging core.

  6. Benny Blanco April 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Great!!! Any more good news????

  7. luis April 21st, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    luis April 21st, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Entertaining my five-year-old niece – either that or she’s entertaining me!

    Hoping to be solo by the time the game starts…

    ===========================

    Hope is the case, we need more Sux bashing in the game thread!! ;)

  8. Tar April 21st, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    “Nova: 4.03 FIP, 2.82 xFIP
    Hughes: 5.92 FIP, 4.71 xFIP”

    LGY

    Nova: 6.04 FIP, 3.41xFIP Nobody on base
    Hughes: 3.02FIP, 4.88xFIP Nobody on base

    Nova: 0.92 FIP RISP
    Hughes 7.12FIP RISP

    Thanks— I thought they were the same pitcher with nobody on, but going by FIP Hughes is actually better. It’s what they do when somebody gets on that is difference maker.

    I wonder if has to do with Phil pitching from the stretch?

  9. luis April 21st, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    later guys, see you at game time.

  10. ron April 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    What does this mean?From RAB.

    Officials of both MLB and the union confirmed to Rumblings that baseball has now banned future personal-service deals and all milestone bonuses. Rob Manfred, MLB’s executive vice president for economics and league affairs, said both issues had become a growing concern. So once the offseason signing dust had cleared, owners and players agreed that it was time to step in and spread word that contracts containing those perks would no longer be approved.

    So what’s the big deal, you ask? The closer you hone in on this, the more obvious it becomes why these arrangements raised eyebrows.

    The “milestones” payouts, for instance, appear to violate baseball’s longtime ban on bonuses for virtually all statistical achievements. A-Rod‘s 2007 contract with the New York Yankees disguised his bonuses as “marketing” money. But “the more they looked at it,” said a source who was briefed on MLB’s thinking, “the more they realized what it was. … He was getting paid to achieve those milestones.”

    [snip]

    Finally, there’s one objection the commissioner’s office would seem to have to both of those creative wrinkles: Because those payouts are not regarded as guaranteed money, teams potentially could use them to avoid luxury-tax bills. And why do we suspect Bud Selig just totally hates it when that happens?

    Unless I’m misinterpreting Stark’s article, A-Rod’s homerun milestone bonuses will not count towards the luxury tax. Signing bonuses, awards bonuses, and playing time bonuses do count towards the tax, but apparently not milestone bonuses. Alex will get $6M each for his 660th, 714th, 755th, 762nd, and 763rd career homers. He’s at 631 career dingers right now.

    Obviously, this is pretty significant news as far as the 2014 payroll plan is concerned. The Yankees are aiming to get under the $189M luxury tax threshold that season, and now they don’t have to worry about A-Rod reaching one (or more) of those milestones and eating up payroll space in a given year. That $189M was really $183M or even $177M because they had to leave some payroll space in case Alex earned some of his bonuses, but now it doesn’t matter. Again, it’s pretty significant and good news. Six million bucks may only be ~3% of the payroll, but it sure does buy on a big league roster.

  11. luis April 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Tar,

    Clutchness???

  12. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Jack Z. is ninja.

  13. Nick in SF April 21st, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Soler? Didn’t he go back to Cuba? :neutral:

  14. theREALkevin April 21st, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Ghost, I hope you’re right. Can’t watch the game until later tonight but I’ll be looking forward to see how Freddy does.

    Meanwhile, considering how much better he already feels, I wonder if putting Gardner on the DL was necessary. Maybe he only needed a few days.

  15. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    It means that milestone/service deals are not counted as part of the guaranteed AAV for luxury tax. That doesn’t mean performance bonuses are not counted at all. They are in the year they are earned.

  16. GreenBeret7 April 21st, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Right now, Pineda is going through the same issues as Hughes did at this time last year.

    MarcCarig To clarify, Cashman says dye contrast MRI will be done in NYC on Monday.

  17. CashmanSUX April 21st, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    I told you so!

    Shoulders are BAD NEWS and this guy has had a bad one since last September. I don’t care how many guys you like at AA, you don’t trade guys like Pineda unless there is something really wrong with him.

    Brian Cashman traded one of the most valuable prospects in the game for somebody else’s damaged goods. PERIOD.

  18. Against All Odds April 21st, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Oh, I think Cashman understands a lot. He’ just poor at executing.

    —————————

    Extremely poor

  19. Patrick April 21st, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    My bet with Nick is looking pretty good right now… :( :( :(

  20. Tar April 21st, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    “Tar,
    Clutchness???”

    Luis

    IDK maybe Phil is tipping his pitches from the stretch? Maybe it’s just small sample size, but the more I compare the two the more perplexed I am.

  21. Nick in SF April 21st, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Or maybe this means that Pineda is more likely to come back in July rather than June and he’ll end up winning 7 or 8 games?

  22. ron April 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Sherman proposes an actual contract extension, totaling five years and $100 million. After the 2013 season A-Rod will have four years and $86 million remaining on his deal, plus escalators. The extra year, then, would be to essentially drag out the contract and provide luxury cap relief, while the $14 million would go towards guaranteeing some of his home run milestone bonuses. That does extend Rodriguez until he’s 43, but it does provide considerable cap relief — $7.5 million, to be exact. That would go a long way for the Yankees.

  23. raymagnetic April 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    As I said before Jack Z played Cashman all along. Jack Z got both players he wanted while Cashman has a pitcher with a bum shoulder and a prayer in low A.

    Cashman :x

  24. Tank April 21st, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    “Oh, I think Cashman understands a lot. He’ just poor at executing.

    Based on him trying to trade Montero so many times, I would have to disagree with that. I think he is operating from a belief system that is frankly, both outdated and overstated. His theory that pitching is the end-all-be-all is not applicable in all circumstances and Cashman doesn’t seem to understand that.

    His eye for talent is probably overrated as well, though it is far better than his actual development. I say “his” because he is the guy who oversees the operation. When something hasn’t worked for, over half a decade now (since he has been in charge), it is up to him to make changes.

  25. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    ron April 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Sherman proposes an actual contract extension, totaling five years and $100 million. After the 2013 season A-Rod will have four years and $86 million remaining on his deal, plus escalators. The extra year, then, would be to essentially drag out the contract and provide luxury cap relief, while the $14 million would go towards guaranteeing some of his home run milestone bonuses. That does extend Rodriguez until he’s 43, but it does provide considerable cap relief — $7.5 million, to be exact. That would go a long way for the Yankees.

    ***********

    That’s interesting. 20 million for Arod in 2014 gives them some play money vs. 27.5 million plus the HR milestone bonus. You’re really looking at 13 million in payroll relief for 2014 – the price of Miguel Montero.

  26. tucker April 21st, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    The latest on Soler is that he still is awaiting to be declared a free agent by MLB. Yankees just need more young bats in the system in case the likes of Heathcott crash and burn. Might as well make one last IFA splash before the signing restrictions kick in.

  27. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Might as well make one last IFA splash before the signing restrictions kick in.

    Unfortunately his contract will most likely count against the luxury tax (major league deal) so I don’t see them doing it, nor should they.

  28. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Tank

    That’s a fair comment, at least in part, but I didn’t mean to suggest that he understands everything, only that understands many things that would contribute to this team maximizing its unparalleled wherewithal, if executed properly.

    For example, when you look at his comments when he got more power at the end of 2005. He said he understood that if the Yankees were able to develop their farm system to go along with their financial advantage, they would be virtually unstoppable.

    He also has made comments that to the effect that because they were stockpiling young high-end pitching, he would no longer need to sign pitchers as free agents, which he said decreased roster flexibility.

    If Cashman had been able to properly execution of both of those goals, there would have been no need, for example to trade for Pineda.

    btw, He admits that he is not a talent evaluator. He delegates, but the failure of his peeps is on him.

  29. CashmanSUX April 21st, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch.....8;pitch=FA

    There’s the pitchFX velocity chart on Pineda for every start last season. There was no “steady decline in velocity” throughout the second half that the Yankees were talking about.

    What happened to Pineda’s shoulder was sudden and drastic. It happened early in or just before his final start, and he brought the injury with him to the Yankees.

    The Mariners shut him down over the winter for a REASON, and it’s not because he’s “lazy.” The Mariners were willing to trade him for a REASON. Brian Cashman traded one of the most valuable prospects in baseball for damaged goods and some magic bean in low A-ball.

  30. blake April 21st, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Its looking like Soler actually might not become a FA before the rules change anyway….

    Hopefully there still is no structural damage with Pineda….if its just the same stuff then its really no surprise that its not better yet….it took most of the season before Phil’s arm was right and that seems to be the normal with these shoulder inflammation cases…..it takes awhile.

  31. GreenBeret7 April 21st, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    How strong is Andruw Jones? Only wish he wouldn’t have his “I’m just not into it today” days.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Ken Rosenthal?@Ken_Rosentha

    A. Jones did something in BP that you hardly ever see. Hit a ball that grazed off top of batting cage – and it still went for HR. #Yankees

  32. tucker April 21st, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    You would think it would be in Soler’s best interest to attain his legal status in the DR and be declared a free agent before the new IFA rules are effective. Of course, the timing may be out of his hands.

    So how do the Yankees replace Swisher’s production next year and remain on target to hit 189 million? Montero, obviously, is not an outfielder, but his production would have helped offset Swisher should the Yankees not resign him.

    The Pineda trade was a miscalculation of resources.

  33. blake April 21st, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “You would think it would be in Soler’s best interest to attain his legal status in the DR and be declared a free agent before the new IFA rules are effective. Of course, the timing may be out of his hands.”

    Yea….im sure he’s trying but its probably mostly not up to him.

  34. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Mason Williams, Granderson, Melky Cabrera

    No place for Soler.

  35. blake April 21st, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Signing Melky does nothing to help their budget….he’s a it going to be cheap either.

  36. blake April 21st, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Trade for Will Myers.

  37. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    From ESPN:

    A trade of Chicago Cubs center fielder Marlon Byrd to the Boston Red Sox appears imminent, a source close to the situation told ESPNChicago.com’s Bruce Levine.

    Another source indicated the Cubs will receive a left-handed reliever in return.

  38. blake April 21st, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Byrd is better than what they have…..but still not a solution

  39. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    blake

    The issue, imo, is if they can sign one of Melky, Martin, Swisher, I would opt for Melky.

  40. blake April 21st, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Also could mean Repko’s shoulder is hurt and he’s about to hit the DL

  41. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    I don’t see them paying Swisher big money and I also don’t see them going with an unproven guy like Wil Myers.

  42. Abomb82 April 21st, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Do the trust Melky under a big contract back with his old team?

  43. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Melky could hit 2nd behind Jeter and they could move down Granderson into an RBI spot.

  44. hardwired7 April 21st, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    In 43 AB’s so far this yr, Marlon Byrd has put up an OPS+ of -36.

  45. blake April 21st, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    “The issue, imo, is if they can sign one of Melky, Martin, Swisher, I would opt for Melky.”

    If they are going to spend 10-15 million on RF….just spending a few more and get Hamilton….I do t think they’ll sign any of them to bes honest….I think they are gonna let Swisher walk and either trade for a cheaper option or sign a stop gap until they can or until somebody from within is ready.

  46. tomingeorgia April 21st, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    According to Carig, A.J. starts tonight for Pirates.

  47. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    blake

    I view Melky costing like $9m per for like four years, maybe I’m off, possibly by a lot. With Hamilton, I guess they have to consider his support system here. Also, he will be in his age 32 season in 2013, so again, there is the paying for his decline phase issue.

  48. luis April 21st, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Tar April 21st, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    “Tar,
    Clutchness???”

    Luis

    IDK maybe Phil is tipping his pitches from the stretch? Maybe it’s just small sample size, but the more I compare the two the more perplexed I am.

    =============================

    To be fair, it is baffling. Still i think it has to do with repertoire. Could be wrong though, but in any case it raises an interesting debate about why both pitchers with similar stats, turn in to two complete different animals on the stretch.

  49. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    If Melky meets or beats last years output I don’t see how he doesn’t meet or beat Michael Cuddyer’s 10.5 million AAV.

  50. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    2014 – 186.5

    Derek Jeter-ss/dh (17)
    Melky Cabrera-rf (10) – based on Alex Gordon contract
    Alex Rodriguez-dh/3b (27.5)
    Robinson Cano-2b (20) – based on Kemp contract
    Mark Teixeira-1b (22.5)
    Curtis Granderson-cf (17) – based on Tori Hunter contract
    Miguel Montero-c (12) – based on Y. Molina contract
    Eduardo Nunez-3b/ss (1.5)
    Ichiro Suzuki-lf/dh (5.5) – based on Vlad Guerrero contract

    Bench (2)
    Austin Romine-c (.5)
    Zoilo Almonte-of (.5)
    Ramiro Pena-inf (.5)

    Gary Sanchez-AAA
    Mason Williams-AAA
    Dante Bichette Jr.-AAA
    Tyler Austin-AAA

    CC Sabathia-lhp (23)
    Michael Pineda-rhp (3.5)
    Ivan Nova-rhp (3.5)
    Manny Banuelos-lhp (.5)
    David Phelps-rhp (.5)

    Jose Campos-AAA

    David Robertson (8)
    Eric O’Flaherty (7) – based on Matt Thornton contract
    Joba Chamberlain (3.5)
    Dellin Betances (.5)
    Diego Moreno (.5)
    Mark Montgomery (.5)
    DJ Mitchell (.5)

    Trade Bait to fill needs:

    Freddy Garcia
    Phil Hughes
    Brett Gardner
    Francisco Cervell
    Rafael Soriano
    Adam Warren
    JR Murphy
    Slade Heathcott
    Corban Joseph

  51. CashmanSUX April 21st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
    Mason Williams, Granderson, Melky Cabrera

    No place for Soler.”
    ==========================\
    There is after Cashman trades the first two to Boston for John Lackey.

  52. blake April 21st, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Rich,

    Yea…I just think Hamilton would transform their offense for 3-4 years or so if he stayed healthy…..he’d destroy Yankee Stadium…..I don’t think they’ll sign him…..but id rather do that than sign Melky because I think Hamilton could win them a WS or two possibly……..they aren’t going to do risky deals like that though with the new CBA and Hal running the show…..so IMO if Cash can’t make a trade….we may see a Tori Hunter or somebody like that in RF next year……

  53. luis April 21st, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Bret,

    Interest scenario. kudos

  54. luis April 21st, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    *interesting*

  55. luis April 21st, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    I like your rotation as well

  56. blake April 21st, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Brett,

    That’s a best case scenario involving everyone regarding performance and salary…..and you’re still cutting it close…..

  57. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Blake,

    O’Flaherty is my pivot point. He gets me over the hump. I don’t sign him if I can use trade bait to aquire a lefty.

  58. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    2014 – 186.5

    Bzzt. Fails to include the 40 man, and benefits and the fact that Jeter will be owed 17+9. You’re way over.

  59. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    You have to include 10 million for benefits. 2-5 million for 40 man. And if Jeter declines his option the Yankees owe 9 million in 2014 due to the change in AAV of his contract.

  60. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    And Cano at 20 million is waaaaaaaaaaaay too low. Unless they extend him before he hits FA. A free agent Cano is going to clean up.

  61. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    I have Jeter declining his option and signing a new contract with a 17 AAV.

  62. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Kemp is 21. Cano is 20.

  63. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    I have Jeter declining his option and signing a new contract with a 17 AAV.

    Then the true AAV for 2014 is 17+9.

  64. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Matt Kemp signed an extension before free agency. Those deals are below market. If Cano reaches free agency he will make more than Kemp or Tex. He is a premiere bat at a premium position that players great defense.

  65. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    I have Jeter declining his option and signing a new contract with a 17 AAV.

    Then the true AAV for 2014 is 17+9.

    ***********

    How do you get 17 + 9? Do you mean 8 +9 = 17? I listed Jeter as 17, not 8.

  66. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Kemp is also a premiere bat at a premium position that plays great defense. Cano would probably sign an extension before free agency.

  67. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    How do you get 17 + 9? Do you mean 8 +9 = 17? I listed Jeter as 17, not 8.

    Because Jeter’s current deal, when calculated for the luxury tax, is considered a 4 year deal that includes his 8 million dollar option. If he declines the option the Yankees have to pay back taxes from money saved over the first 3 years.

    So even if he signs a new deal, they will have to include the prior untaxed amounts in 2014.

    This stops teams from creating crappy player options that they know will get declined (because player options are considered guaranteed for the purposes of the CBA).

  68. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    11:$15M, 12:$16M, 13:$17M, 14:$8M player option ($3M buyout)

    AAV for luxury tax purposes 15+16+17+8 / 4 = 14
    AAV for luxury tax purposes with the option declined = 16

    Missed luxury tax per year = 6 million + 3 million buy out.

  69. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    All that gets assessed in 2014. If he picks up his option he counts for 14.

  70. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Why does that 9 million apply to 2014 and not 2013?

  71. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Why does that 9 million apply to 2014 and not 2013?

    Because his option is for 2014. He is already under contract for 2013.

  72. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Sounds like Jeter is going to screw them for being cheap.

  73. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    The only way out of this is if you subtract O’Flaherty’s deal (7 mil), trade for a cheap lefty, and restructure Arod’s contract so that he goes from 27.5 to 20 as Sherman suggests.

    It can be done.

  74. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Still off on the benefits and 40 man. And if A-rod’s milestones count as the CBA suggests they do.

  75. Jerkface April 21st, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    You trade for a ‘cheap lefty’ lets go best case, 500k. You have 2.5 mil leftover from Jeter’s option that isnt covered by removing flaherty.

    You then save 7.5 mil on A-rod’s contract, so you’re up 5 mil.

    Add 10 million and 2 million for benefits/40 man and you’re still slightly over 189 without factoring in any contract bonuses/a-rod’s milestones/trading for anyone.

  76. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Add 10 million for “benefits” and 2 million for 40 man and 9 million for Jeter.

    That’s 21 million added.

    Subtract 6.5 for O’Flaherty and subtract 7.5 million for Arod. That’s 14 million.

    189 – 186.5 is 2.5 million.

    16.5 million saved.

    21 million minus 16.5 million is 4.5 million.

    4.5 million can be saved by creative accounting on the Cano, Granderson and Jeter deals using the options process that the Yankees benefited from with Jeter in 2012 and 2013.

  77. Bret The Hitman April 21st, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    It’s really very simple ;)

  78. Playedcatchwithmunson April 21st, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    + 1


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