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Hughes struggles on a bad day for the rotation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Today was absolute proof that the Yankees spring abundance of starting pitching has been seriously depleted. Michael Pineda is heading for season-ending surgery, Andy Pettitte isn’t ready for the big leagues and Phil Hughes is still searching for his spring training success. Tonight in Texas, Hughes pitched just 2.2 innings in a 7-3 loss to the Rangers. It was Hughes’ third loss in four starts, and his ERA jumped to 7.88 (only slightly better than Freddy Garcia’s 9.75). David Phelps, who looked like a rotation alternative just a few weeks ago, gave up three runs of his own through 2.1 innings and now has an ERA of 4.30. Derek Jeter extended his hitting streak, and Raul Ibanez had a home run and an RBI double, but the Yankees struggles were — as they’ve been most of the season — in the starting rotation.

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232 Responses to “Hughes struggles on a bad day for the rotation”

  1. G. Love April 25th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    “Generation Trey” indeed.

  2. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    No more Hughes. The guy is not starter material and at this point he serves no purpose on this team.

    Also what has the 200 million dollar man A-rod done at the plate ? this guy is supposed to be a threat in the middle of the lineup and no one fears him anymore. And most pitchers never feared him in clutch situations even when he was in his prime.

  3. muwarriorsfan April 25th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    And the Tigers are waiting to feast on the horrendous Yankee rotation.

  4. muwarriorsfan April 25th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Due to age and steroid breakdown, throw a decent fastball and Arod’s bat isn’t nearly quick enough to catch up.

    He’s finished. And it just gets worse from here.

  5. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Also despite the fact that Texas has not won a World Series yet they have a great team and they have developed players and made smart trades to get good talent. All while spending less money than the Yankees. I have tried to support Cashman in the past but maybe it’s time for him to move on. This team needs new blood.

  6. Against All Odds April 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Hughes wasn’t happy when he left the game. Not sure what he said but I’m sure he didn’t like being pulled in that spot.

  7. jacksquat April 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Chad, this blog has gotten to the point where during game threads (and the immediate postgame threads) it’s at least 75% trolls and idiots. Would be nice if you could do something about it.

  8. LGY April 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Can Hughes lend Pineda his shoulder?

  9. JT April 25th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Wonder how El Duque’s feeling?

  10. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    And Girardi is making a big mistake pitching Garcia when he knows dang well that he will get lit up. It’s like he doesn’t even care about putting out the best people to try to win games.

  11. Benny Blanco April 25th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    CashmanSUX April 25th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
    Here’s Hoping Briamn Cashman’s soon-to-be ex-wife takes him for everything he’s got, he gets depressed, sticks a loaded gun in his mouth and pulls the trigger.

    =============

    you got serious issues. i’m beginning to think you are the woman that tried to extort cashman.. SMH!

  12. BD (Boston Dave) April 25th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Chad couldn’t care less, unfortunately.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 25th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Minny’s come back and is losing by only one run at this point.

    GO MINNY!

  14. Othello April 25th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    This is unacceptable. Our pitching with the exception of CC sucks, our hitting goes dead as a team which is really disturbing . Cashman needs to take some responsibility for the Pineda fiasco. Why don’t the Yankees have someone living near Pineda in the offseason ensuring he comes to camp in shape. Andy will be okay and get by with craftiness but he won’t be the savior for Hughes and Garcia.

  15. Benny Blanco April 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    jacksquat April 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    Chad, this blog has gotten to the point where during game threads (and the immediate postgame threads) it’s at least 75% trolls and idiots. Would be nice if you could do something about it.

    =======

    SECONDED.

  16. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Now I’m not one of those hate Cashman people but some of the other Gm’s that have less resources have done really well.

  17. Against All Odds April 25th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) April 25th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Chad couldn’t care less, unfortunately.

    ——————————-

    It’s just that everything is coming together at once. Trolls looking to stir things up and legit fans angry at the FO. At least the legit fans have a reason for their opinions.

  18. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    CashmanSux

    The violent rhetoric needs to stop. There is no need for that even if you don’t like someone.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 25th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Seriously if you’re bothered by it, email Chad and point out the offending posts(s). Chad is very responsive, but you have to understand that his job is not to sit and read 500 posts while a game is going on. He probably sees very little of what goes on here.

  20. CashmanSUX April 25th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
    CashmanSux

    The violent rhetoric needs to stop. There is no need for that even if you don’t like someone.
    =================
    Sure there is. The Yankees will be MUCH better off and I’ll have reason to lift a glass in celebration.

  21. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Got to appreciate the irony in the current fact that what was supposed to be our real strength in currently our biggest weakness.

    Our starting Pitching.

    It needs to be fixed.

  22. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    The way I look at it I really can’t see this team doing anything in the playoffs. Jeter will do fine but there is too much dead weight in the lineup, and the rotation is a mess. We have two unproductive slots in the rotation.

    With teams like Texas and Detroit the Yankees are third rate at best in the AL.

  23. Othello April 25th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Agreed Jeremy about Cashmansux but Againstallodds lighten up dude. what are you the comments censor? fans are passionate and yes the Sox fans love seeing the Yanks fans fail but don’t get bent out of shape dude.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    The Chucky doll gave up 10 hits and 5 runs in 5 innings.

  25. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Today was just not a good news day for our SP.

    :(

  26. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    MTU

    I really don’t know what this team can do. Pitchers are being locked up left and right now that there is greater parity. The majority of guys we try to develop turn out to be busts.

    I don’t see this team winning a World Series as it is right now this year or even next year.

  27. sunny615 April 25th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    You can never have too much pitching…

    indeed.

    What worries me more is that this lineup came up flat against a Ranger bullpen. I would’ve thought this would’ve been more of he 10-8 win/loss than 3 measly runs…

  28. Betsy April 25th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    It’s sad to say, but Phil is just not a good pitcher……..certainly not a starter. I suspect this was his last start; while I was not for it at the time, Pineda’s injury changes things. I would replace Phil with Phelps and let Phil take the long man’s job.

  29. darbodla April 25th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    I loved all the Phelps adulation here a while ago after pitching a handful of innings. Funny.

  30. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    If you take a look at the Rangers series in it’s totality it was really decided by Darvish outpitching Kuroda.

    Neither team really killed the other.

    If this was NYS and we had all our best guns starting against theirs I could see us having come out on top.

    Imagine where we would be if our SP was performing to spec.

    ;)

  31. JT April 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    I’m betting the Over on the $189 million salary cap for 2013.

  32. jacksquat April 25th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    darbodla April 25th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
    I loved all the Phelps adulation here a while ago after pitching a handful of innings. Funny.

    4.20 < 7.88

    Back to grade school for you.

  33. G. Love April 25th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    JT – I agree & I’m also betting they dole out over 189 million in free agent contracts after this season for guys not already on the team.

    In all seriousness though, they should really look into Oswalt and see if he wants to pitch this season with his pal Andy.

    We’re now short in the rotation and if Freddy doesn’t bounce back and let’s face it, his stuff has been horrid, we need the pitching in the rotation to contend.

  34. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Jeremy-

    At this moment we have to hope that Pettitte can still be something like Pettitte.

    If he can be we will have a solid rotation of 4 guys and we will just have to find out who can hold down the #5 job.

    Garcia, Hughes, Or Phelps.

    It’s not as bad as it seems IMO.

  35. jacksquat April 25th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    4.30

  36. sammiejohnson April 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    JT April 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    I’m betting the Over on the $189 million salary cap for 2013.

    ____________________________

    Good bet, since it doesn’t start until 2014.

  37. jacksquat April 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    I’d rather take my chances with Hughes than have Oswalt on this team. Some guys I cannot route for.

  38. yankfan April 25th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    phil huges = another Cashman bust

    what a joke

    get a new GM please

  39. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Today’s news jaundiced most people’s eyes.

    It was a tough day.

    When things calm down the situation will look better than it does now.

  40. Against All Odds April 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Othello April 25th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Agreed Jeremy about Cashmansux but Againstallodds lighten up dude. what are you the comments censor? fans are passionate and yes the Sox fans love seeing the Yanks fans fail but don’t get bent out of shape dude.

    —————————–

    Lol I have no problem with the fans or trolls for that matter just explaining it for ppl that have a problem with it. As a matter of fact this is the first time I even mentioned the trolls even though they have posted in every thread.

  41. Bronx Jeers April 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    I can’t believe I’m going to say this but………wait for it……….Im kind of missing AJ right now. :sad:

  42. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Jeers-

    You must be feelin’ really desperate.

    :(

  43. JT April 25th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Yes, sammiej–2014.

  44. Nick in SF April 25th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Missing AJ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPwzDr6r3go

  45. elijahstephen April 25th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Injuries usually hurt our veterans…but it is frustrating Banuelos and Romine are out for back problems…and now a young Pineda is done for 2012.

  46. ericns1 April 25th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Hey – get back AJ! – if this keeps up we will be sellers come July (trying for some levity on a bad nite)

  47. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    luis-

    If you’re still around.

    Now do you see why I don’t do game threads ?

    ;)

  48. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    Hughes= failure. You can’t count on Hughes to not get the job done. The guy is one of the worst pitchers in baseball. One thing I will say about the Red Sox and Yankees, and it’s the fact that both front offices are vastly overrated for how much money they dole out. Both teams have over hyped prospects, and guys that continue to fail.

  49. waka flocka April 25th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Jesus Montero has an OPS+ of 82. Can you guys stop pretending that he’s lighting the world on fire?

  50. jc in tw April 25th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    look at the bright side, at least we have a stong bullpen. Red Sox is gonna pray for the win everytime even with huge lead at the final innings.

  51. Betsy April 25th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Phil sucking doesn’t make AJ any better of a pitcher.

  52. Nick in SF April 25th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    It’s hard to keep a fire going in Seattle.

    (‘cos it rains so much.)

  53. Against All Odds April 25th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    waka flocka April 25th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Jesus Montero has an OPS+ of 82. Can you guys stop pretending that he’s lighting the world on fire?

    ———————

    He’s not but at the same time he’s not injured either. Just trying to be fair

  54. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    Correction: You can’t count on Hughes to get the job done

  55. JM April 25th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    eboland11 Martin said “right now I’m not sure how comfortable” Hughes is on the mound. But is confident he’ll turn it around

    Wish I could be that confident in Phil.

  56. 4 NYY April 25th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    I have just fully charged my Iphone, lets see how long the batte

  57. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    One of Garcia or Hughes will be replaced if and when AP is ready.

    Hopefully he will be and soon.

    ;)

  58. Tabbert April 25th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Rangers fans are so funny. As i was leaving the stadium, Fans chanted ” Arod Suck, STEROIDS, STEROIDS, I responded by saying ” Yall didn’t boo him while he was using steroids as a ranger” No one said anything back. The rangers fan base is absolutely classless. I love the fact that classy, historic, organizations like the cards and giants have beaten them in back to back world series.

  59. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Who cares what Russell Martin says ?

    He’s hitting an amazing .180 something.

  60. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Tabbert
    Sounds like the Ranger fans are just not classless but also clueless.. Those people jumped on the bandwagon once they started winning games and making the playoffs again.

  61. Betsy April 25th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    What exactly is wrong with what Martin said? His hitting has nothing to do with his pitching…….and he’s probably right anyway.

  62. Bronx Jeers April 25th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Please. Allow me to miss AJ in peace without fear of ridicule.

    I decree today that the yank rotation is simply taking and not giving. AJ is mine,he owes me a living.

  63. G. Love April 25th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Tabbert – You’re brave saying that in a mob situation! Love it.

  64. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Betsy-

    If I were hitting like that I’d just keep quiet for the time being.

    As you can tell I’m not too happy with ole’ Russell.

    ;)

  65. sammiejohnson April 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Nick in SF April 25th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    It’s hard to keep a fire going in Seattle.

    (‘cos it rains so much.)

    _________________________

    But, but, Safeco has roof!

  66. JT April 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Bartolo Colon with a tidy 156 ERA+ and 34.1 IP.

  67. Pat M. April 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Nick in SF…….E-mail me as to where you want me to send your winnings to…..5 was the number correct ?? Any preference ???? Send Phil Hughes back to AAA and finish his education on pitching……..This blog is on the verge of internal implosion, just too many bad vibes…..

  68. G. Love April 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Since we’re still paying the majority of AJ’s contact can he pitch for us and the Pirates?

    We’ll borrow him on days Garcia and Hughes start.

  69. Tabbert April 25th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    I was born and raised in texas. Grew up going to rangers game with my pops… remember growing up with rusty greer, pudge, and juan gonzalez. The rangers have had a very small fan base as long as i can remember following baseball. Out of nowhere, the last two years everyone is all of a sudden the biggest rangers fan. Everyone claims rooting for the yankees in a banwaggon move, but The rangers have the biggest banwaggon fan base i can ever remember. The mavs, and cowboys have ruled this city for so long, and the rangers were a after thought. Now, all of a sudden everyone is a die hard rangers fan.

  70. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    MTU

    Russel Martin is another dead weight player in the lineup. If the Cashman wanted to get some more pop in this lineup he would go for Napoli’s bat in the off season. But I’m sure Raul Ibanez would be a better option for Cashman since he is great at evaluating pitching talent and hitters./ Sarc

  71. Betsy April 25th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    We’ll just have to agree to disagree, MTU, which is fine. IMO, the Yankees have far, far greater problems than Russell Martin. I’m still confident in Freddy, though – he’s just in a slump.

  72. Tabbert April 25th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    G. Love- During the game all the rangers fans were yelling ” YANKEES SUCK, YANKEES SUCK, so i responded by yelling DAVID FREESE DAVID FREESE at the top of my longs. Everyone just looked at me like i was the devil. It was great.

  73. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Jeremy-

    I want Cervelli back.

    He may not have a great arm and he may not be athletic but at least he can hit a little and he’s cheap.

    (half-serious).

    :)

  74. Nick in SF April 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    “Who cares what Russell Martin says ?”

    Uhhhh, he was speaking as the catcher? Harsh!

    Pat M., I will look into it. You owe me 5 Ritter Sports and now I owe Patrick 5 Ritters Sports… we could cut out the middleman, me, and just have you send 5 Ritter Sports to Patrick, but I wouldn’t want to cheat him of the joy of collecting on a bet from me after having paid out numerous times.

  75. G. Love April 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    MTU,

    Don’t forget his dreamy eyes.

  76. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Oh yeah you have to hand it to Cashman. Sign Freddy Garcia the junk baller but let Colon go.

    Cashman really can not properly evaluate pitching talent. He seems every pitching move he makes turns into a bust. Except for getting CC it has been one pitching bust after another.

  77. Cashmoney April 25th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    The starting pitching is spotty so is the offense …18ish odd games into the new season… this team looks pretty mediocre to me.

  78. MTU April 25th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Betsy-

    I am losing confidence in both Freddy and Phil.

    They both look really bad.

    Hope they turn it around.

    :(

  79. Peepee Hands April 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    I miss Mussina.

  80. Betsy April 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Jeremy, where were you last year when Freddy was so fabulous and Colon crashed and burned after half a season? When Colon goes into a slump like all players do, I hope you’re going to post his stats.

  81. Nick in SF April 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    As for AJ, I think he’s still ill.

  82. Betsy April 25th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    MTU, I really don’t get why people are so down on Freddy after a few starts – but oh well. It’s like they never heard of slumps…………….Freddy knows how to pitch, which is a huge difference between him and Phil. Phil is, unfortunately, a thrower – he can throw a FB, but that’s about it. I do feel sorry for him because it’s his career, not ours.

  83. Jeremy April 25th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Betsy
    Freddy is not in a slump he just stinks. He is not the pitcher he was years ago let alone last year. He throws slop and it gets hit over the fences. Another bad Cashman pitching decision out of many.

  84. Tabbert April 25th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    How is this team mediocre? We had won like 10 of 13 games coming into this series. WE WERE RED HOT the last two weeks. Kuroda showed the ability to shut down one of the best offenses in the game in ARLINGTON. ALL teams get hot and cold, yea it sucks that we lost the last tow games of this series, but its not like were playing poorly. We simply hit a cold streak the last couple of nights. This team will break out of it and go on another winning 7 of 10 streak very soon. It’s April people. CHILL.

  85. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Pat M.-

    Today was a rough day in Yankeeland.

    First the Pineda disaster followed by another poor outing by Hughes.

    Things will calm down and people will regain some more perspective.

    Have a good evening.

    By the way, I would send Hughes to AAA but I do not think the Yankees will.

    Maybe I’m wrong ?

  86. PittsburghYankeeFan April 26th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Freddy and Phil are toast. Still, a front four of CC, Nova, Pettitte, and Kuroda are pretty darn good. For the fifth spot, let’s see if Freddy can pull it together. Hughes should be banished to the BP or to AAA–his choice.

    I still think there was something going on in Pineda’s shoulder last year after the ASB. It was never documented, but Jack Z screwed the Yankees once again. I hate him even more.

  87. Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Well I’m not going to argue with you Jeremy as we’re not on the same page or on the same book………

    I think most of us have a good perspective. Saying Phil has been awful or that he’s not very good is not being unfair. Those personally trashing him are just trolls and don’t count anyway.

  88. ericns1 April 26th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Hey if we stink think of all the money we save by not going to games!

  89. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Colon was slumping because he didn’t pitch for a long while and you can tell that as the year went on his body was tiring. I rather go with Colon then a washed up has been like Garcia.

    He will get lit up in Detroit just like he did at Fenway and Joe and Cashman will just sit there and let him pitch some more and lose some more because for some reason they believe that certain crappy players deserve more leeway.

  90. Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    MTU, I think this was it for Phil because he couldn’t even go four and Joe didn’t even trust him to get the 3rd out. I also think he’s going to the pen as I don’t think they are going to spend any more time trying to develop a soon to be 26 year old.

  91. Bronx Jeers April 26th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    G Love,

    The Jack Z as Obi-Wan joke earlier was definitely one the highlights of my afternoon.

  92. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Pitt-

    Gotta hope AP is AP once again.

    I know it’s just one night but I do not think he pitched well today.

  93. Tabbert April 26th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Today was a HORRIBLE day in yankee land. Losing tonight game is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. LOSING pineda is a MASSIVE blow.

  94. lounge lizard April 26th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Jesus Montero has an OPS+ of 82. Can you guys stop pretending that he’s lighting the world on fire?

    _________________________________________________

    The verb you’re looking for is”had.”After tonight’s game ( 3 for 5), his OPS+ is 94.

    Things change fast this time of year. If a player is healthy, that is.

  95. Bronx Jeers April 26th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    And Hughes?

    Well there are brighter sides of Phil and I should know because I’ve seen them but not very often.

  96. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Tabbert
    This team can’t hack it in the playoffs against Detroit and Texas. The only way the Yankees will get to the World Series is through those teams. And so far they can’t beat those teams when it counts( examples : 2010 ALCS, 2006 ALDS, 2011 ALDS). Of course they will win the AL East but going far in October is what counts.

  97. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Betsy
    We may not agree on the Colon Freddy thing. But we agree on hughes and the fact that he is not a good pitcher.

  98. jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:02 am
    I think this was it for Phil

    MarcCarig “Our plans are to send him out there again.” – Girardi on Hughes

  99. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Tabbert-

    Much as we all were hammered by the Pineda news we will have no choice but to move on at some point and hope that he is the exception and heals well.

  100. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 12:11 am

    I’d leap in front of a flying bullet for Hughes…

    …but I’d rather not watch him pitch.

  101. jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 12:11 am

    I always liked Colon, defended him a lot. Wanted him over Garcia this offseason. Love watching that guy pitch.

    Strike low and inside, strike low and outside, 0-2 ball, strike, strike, strike, strike, etc….

  102. Tabbert April 26th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    jeremy-

    What kills me, is the fact that were suppose to cut payroll. Which means that we cant go out and replace pineda with a young ace on the market, or go out and get a another bat. Pineda was the key to the future. HE was the future ace that was young and cost controlled. NOW, we are looking at a rotation of CC, NOVA, and thats it for next year. So, either the yankees will have to forget about cutting payroll or we will have to get use to not having a GREAT team for a while. MY question is, why resign grandy if we have no interest in adding payroll. What good does grandy do is we have no rotation, we lost mo, and our team is a year older. Not to mention, we most likely lose swish, and martin.

  103. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Tabbert,
    props to you for representing in TX

  104. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Time for some sleep.

    Hopefully not nigthmares about Pineda.

    See ya’ tomorrow.

    :)

  105. Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Jeremy – he’s not a good starter to be sure. I think he could be a good reliever as he does have a very good fastball and he wouldn’t have to think too much. Still, even out of the pen you need a reliable second pitch…. I don’t think he’ll be here beyond 2013, so it almost doesn’t matter. He worked very hard this off-season, so this has just been sort of shocking to me. I take no pleasure in saying any of this as Phil is a very good kid.

  106. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Against All Odds April 25th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
    waka flocka April 25th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Jesus Montero has an OPS+ of 82. Can you guys stop pretending that he’s lighting the world on fire?

    ———————

    He’s not but at the same time he’s not injured either. Just trying to be fair
    _____
    If you are going to keep mentioning Montero in all fairness at least have his info right: He was 3 for 5 tonight with two RBI’s. Therefore, adjust your stats.

  107. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Like I thought Girardi will send Hughes back out there. I don’t know how many times we need to see Hughes in order to determine what everyone knows. The guy can’t pitch.

    Well the Yankees can just continue to send Garcia and hughes out there and book those games as potential losses.

  108. Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Jacksquat, thanks for posting. I don’t think this is doing him any favors; if they want him to start, Phil really should be sent down. All that’s happening now is that he’s having his confidence destroyed.

  109. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 12:16 am

    Hughes and/or Garcia are gonna keep getting trotted out there until the Yankees have a workable alternative.

    ;)

  110. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2012 at 12:17 am

    And our rotation with CC, Nova, Kuroda and Pettitte as our top 4 will be fine… They can send Phil down to straighten him out or pitch him once more (seems like what they are leaning toward); Freddy’s supposedly made adjustments to better command his splitter, and Phelps and co. are also available. The rotation will be fine.

  111. wildblueyonder April 26th, 2012 at 12:17 am

    I’m sick of the Yankees refusing to acknowledge that they are wrong.

    Hughes cannot be a starter. Joba cannot be a starter. MOVE ON!

  112. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Considering Pinedas injury, bringing up Montero in any type of “I told you so” fashion is essentially a Yankee fan trying to pour salt on other Yankee fans wound and not much differebt than Sox fans or Rangers fans yelling Yankees suck. Not cool!

    :(

  113. G. Love April 26th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Jeers,

    He got schooled Jedi Old Republic style. It is what it is. I just would feel a lot better knowing he wasn’t in charge of putting the roster together going forward.

    If the Yankees love him so much, promote him to President or something and bring in a GM with autonomy to help reconstruct this roster in what are going to be very tough years when it comes to who stays and who goes based on the budget.

    As a fan of the team, it’s tough not believing in your front office.

    That said, when Andy is ready to rejoin the rotation, this team will roll. We’ll have a great playoff rotation with CC, Nova, Kuroda and Andy and our pen is rock solid.

    This isn’t a mediocre team, but I think the management isn’t living up to the laundry right now.

  114. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 12:19 am

    Agree with yankeefem

    the rotation is fine… just can’t afford any more injuries.

  115. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Tabbert
    Right now I don’t know. My outlook on this team in the next couple of years is negative. The pitching staff needs to be revamped and the middle of the lineup needs to be blown up. The problem is that too much money is tied up in unproductive under performing players : a-rod, tex. I said it before and I will say it again the A-rod contract will kill this team and will go down as one of the dumbest contracts in sports history.

    Something needs to be down but right now I have little to no faith in Cashman.

  116. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:02 am
    I think this was it for Phil

    MarcCarig “Our plans are to send him out there again.” – Girardi on Hughes

    ———–

    They have a lot invested in him folks more so emotionally than financially.

  117. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    BD, tell that to waka flocka or whatever his name is and everyone else to constantly puts up petty misinformation. I am heartsick about Pineda, so please leave me out of it. No one wins here, so get off your soapbox.

  118. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    *who constantly

  119. Tabbert April 26th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    This years yankees team is perfectly fine. We are good enough to win the world series. MY concerns are the fact that we have lost pineda. HE is was the organization was banking on to allow them to cut payroll. We essentially lost a future ace, have to resign grandy, cano, most likely will lose martin, swish, and mo. My concern is for our future now. This year we will be fine. But, i am scared about the future now. Cutting payroll is no longer a option in my opinion.

  120. jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    MTU April 26th, 2012 at 12:16 am
    Hughes and/or Garcia are gonna keep getting trotted out there until the Yankees have a workable alternative.

    Phelps is workable.

    I guess they want to give them more of a chance than 4 or 5 starts though. Plus they probably still aren’t giving Phelps enough respect. Seems to have always been the case for that guy.

    But when Pettitte is ready someone is departin’.

  121. Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    BD, agreed about the Montero thing…………I still was fine with the trade, but the Yankees had absolutely no business pushing Pineda in ST and they may have cost the kid his career. That’s unforgiveable.

  122. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    G love

    When teams have less money than you and can create a better roster than your team then you have a problem, and that is the issue with Cashman. I really wanted to see him step aside so someone else can construct the roster. Cashman has had some many busts and he has spent billions of dollars and only has one World Series ring to show for his work during his tenure. And I don’t include the late 90′s and 2000 because the majority of those team were constructed by gene Micheal and Bob Watson.

  123. Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:26 am

    Odds, sports is a business and you can’t afford to be emotional……….

    I personally would either send Phil down or stick him in the pen as a long man and let Phelps pitch. I have no clue how he’d do up here as a starter, but he can’t possibly do worse than the pitcher he’d be replacing.

  124. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    “…bring in a GM with autonomy…”

    Cashman is supposed to have autonomy, or so I thought, but how much does he really have if he can be overruled on something like signing Soriano? How much more/less would the next guy have?

    Very slippery, this Cashman fellow.

  125. Tabbert April 26th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    Jeremy-

    My question is, why did we sign AROD? to win championships. So, why cut payroll when he is still on this team. WE made a HUGE investment in him to help us win titles. So, now we are going to cut payroll while he is still on the team? That sends mixed signals to me. Fact is, our stars like CC, grandy, cano are in their prime… This is not the time to cut payroll. One would think that we would go ALL IN. Why resign grandy? If we arent Willing to go ALL IN then let him walk. I would rather rebuild now then pay grandy massive amounts of money to play on a team not good enough to win.

  126. Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:29 am

    No GM has full autonomy and that’s just how it is in sports. The owners of the teams are the only ones who have full autonomy.

  127. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    wildblueyonder April 26th, 2012 at 12:17 am

    I’m sick of the Yankees refusing to acknowledge that they are wrong.

    Hughes cannot be a starter. Joba cannot be a starter. MOVE ON!

    ———————

    Joba hasn’t started in 3 yrs

  128. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 12:32 am

    “I spent the last three or four years defending Phil Hughes the starting pitcher in this space, but I’m done with it. End the charade and put him in the bullpen already. If the Yankees had given Joba Chamberlain half the leash they’ve given Hughes, they might actually have a young, quality starting pitcher on their hands. But no, his stuff played up in the bullpen. Apparently that logic doesn’t apply to Phil.

    Hughes retired seven of the first eight Rangers he faced — Adrian Beltre led off the second with a monster solo homer to dead center — but six of the next seven men reached base to end his night. I know Texas is good, really really good, but we’ve seen this movie before and the ending hasn’t changed yet. Phil’s fastball is still plenty good enough that he can be useful as a short reliever, so do it already. Hopefully Joe Girardi’s relatively quick hook is a sign they’re losing patience with Hughes.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....nt-4177056

  129. G. Love April 26th, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Jeremy,

    While I agree with you, the payroll is what it is. Part of the reason it’s great to be a Yankee fan is that guys like Jeter and Mo get paid and don’t walk off in a huff to play out their careers in other uni’s.

    The Arod deal was a mistake though. Giving 10 years to him at his age when PED’s were being taken out of the game was so short sighted. What’s difficult for a fan is that we didn’t ask for that deal. That one is on ownership.

    That being said, I believe Arod is a proud guy. He will not hang around for a paycheck. If he can’t put up Arod numbers, he’ll negotiate a buyout or something and go retire. He may even end up with a piece of the team in exchange for what’s left on his deal. Stranger things have happened.

    I would just like a new GM to get a chance to put in their development people, their scouting people and use their knowledge in trades and signings.

  130. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Well A-rod has helped the Yankees win a title since 2009. And that has been the only year he has helped since arriving in 2004. I have no issue with spending but it has to be in a smart way and the A-rod contract was stupid. But I will say that Cashman had nothing to do with that contract and it was all Hanks fault.

    I just have little confidence in Cashman spending on the right people. This is the same guy who through money on Contreras, Carl Pavano, Igawa, Kevin Brown, and the list goes on and on. He is a bad talent evaluator.

  131. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 12:36 am

    BryanHoch Jesus Montero 3-for-5, 2 RBIs tonight for Seattle. Average up to .281. #saltinwound

    Hoch is trolling us too???? :mad:

  132. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    G Love

    I agree lets get a better GM someone who knows talent. And with the resources the Yankees have they would trounce Cashman’s record. Cashman has been here to long anyways and it’s time for new blood.

  133. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 12:26 am

    Odds, sports is a business and you can’t afford to be emotional……….

    I personally would either send Phil down or stick him in the pen as a long man and let Phelps pitch. I have no clue how he’d do up here as a starter, but he can’t possibly do worse than the pitcher he’d be replacing.

    ————————-

    True you can’t be but they are which is weird. They have been cold with vets like Bernie, Posada, and even Jeter but have shown complete faith in Hughes. He’s a young guy so he needed to be brought along but this is his what 5th season and he’s taken steps back. When does the cord get pulled(as you said AAA or pen). They are so emotionally tied up him making it I think it sometime clouds their judgement.

    Cash: Phil Hughes is going to win 15 games this yr.

    Phil has never won more than 5 games outside of his outlier 18 win season. Why even throw that on him.

  134. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:40 am

    correction: Arod helped the Yankees win in 2004 but nothing since the.

  135. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Try, 2009.

  136. Jeremy April 26th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    yeah sorry 2009 LOL !

    I am getting tired I’m off. Have a good one people !

  137. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 12:45 am

    Night Jeremy

  138. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    ” I am heartsick about Pineda, so please leave me out of it. No one wins here, so get off your soapbox.”

    ——–

    Was this to me?

    Not sure what you’re talking about if it is. I didn’t realize I “brought you into” anything ??

    Im as heartsick about Pineda as everyone else.

  139. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2012 at 12:53 am

    BD, I was just correcting waka flocka and the incessant pettiness of misquoting stats. If your response wasn’t to me then let’s forget about it. I am sure we are all heartsick and on edge. I am sitting here, the Hughes replay running on my TV while I am at the same time staring into space. Not a good night.

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