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Minor league notes: Mitchell setting himself apart early in Triple-A

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 26, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

During yesterday’s conference call to discuss Michael Pineda’s career-threatening shoulder injury, general manager Brian Cashman was asked about the Yankees rotation depth. It was a question primarily about Pineda’s injury and the ongoing struggles at the Major League level, but Cashman took it upon himself to mention the struggles in Triple-A as well.

Manny Banuelos is on the disabled list with a back injury, Dellin Betances has more walks than strikeouts, and Adam Warren’s ERA is up to 6.10 after a rocky start yesterday in Pawtucket. Veteran Ramon Ortiz hasn’t been much better through his first two starts.

Then there’s D.J. Mitchell.

Perpetually overshadowed in this pitching-rich organization, Mitchell has picked up where he left off. He leads the team with 21 strikeouts, opponents are hitting .165 against him and his 3.13 ERA looks almost identical to last year’s 3.18.

After very nearly making the big league roster out of spring training, Mitchell has established himself as the best rotation alternative available in Triple-A.

• As some of you know, I usually don’t pay a lot of attention to the lower levels of the minor league system — there’s just too much road between there and the big leagues — but it’s impossible to ignore this year’s Low-A Charleston roster. Loaded with elite prospects, the team is off to a 15-3 start. Mason Williams is hitting .347 with eight stolen bases, and Gary Sanchez is hitting .365 with no homers but a team-leading seven doubles, but it’s Tyler Austin who’s stealing the show. Getting most of his time in right field, Austin is hitting .354/.391/.800 — that’s right, an .800 slugging percentage — with five homers, four triples and six doubles. He could quickly establish himself as one of the elite prospects in the organization.

• Although most of the Charleston attention is focused on its prospect-loaded lineup, the team’s pitching staff has been awfully good as well. The rotation is led by Jose Campos, who’s 3-0 with a 1.23 ERA through his first four starts in the Yankees organization. Caleb Cotham — who’s finally healthy — is 2-0 with a 2.00, Bryan Mitchell is 1-1 with a 2.45 and William Oliver is 1-1 with a 1.69. The bullpen has been sharp too.

• The bad news in Charleston: Dante Bichette Jr., Cito Culver and Angelo Gumbs are each off to pretty slow starts, Culver especially. Bichette Jr. has twice as many errors (4) as extra-base hits (2). Culver is batting .185 and is still looking for an extra-base hit.

• On the high end of the minor league system, the traveling Triple-A roster is playing .500 baseball and is sort of matching the big league pitching staff (the bullpen has been good, the rotation has been bad). Kevin Whelan is 5-for-5 in save opportunities, and Chase Whitley has pitched well after an early call-up from Double-A.

• Veterans are leading the Triple-A lineup. Dewayne Wise is building off his strong spring training with a .388 average and team-high three home runs. Steve Pearce and Jack Cust — two former big leaguers signed at the end of spring training — have combined for 24 RBIs. Pearce is hitting .382/.449/.559 as the team’s replacement for Jorge Vazquez at first base. Chris Dickerson was playing well before landing on the disabled list.

Francisco Cervelli is hitting just .173 after his surprise demotion on the last day of spring training.

• After his strong first impression in big league camp, Zoilo Almonte has hit for a little bit of power but not much else in Double-A. Instead, Trenton’s best hitter has been Cuban utility man Ronnier Mustelier. Playing primarily third base with a little bit of time at second and in the outfield, Mustelier is hitting .356/.407/.534. He and Melky Mesa are tied for the team lead with 12 RBIs. Mesa is doing his usual tools-and-strikeouts thing. He’s hit four homers and stolen three bases, but he’s also struck out 12 times and has a .282 on-base percentage (Zoilo has 18 strikeouts, and Cody Johnson leads the team with 20).

Ramon Flores seems to have a lot of fans in the organization, but he’s off to a .206/.273/.235 start as Tampa’s everyday left fielder. There’s much more production coming from right field where Rob Segedin is hitting .315/.378/.548. J.R. Murphy, by the way, is hitting just .250/.318/.350 and has yet to play any position in the field except catcher.

Mark Montgomery made a name for himself with impressive strikeout totals last season, and he already has 12 Ks through 8.1 innings as the Tampa closer this year, but it’s Nik Turley who leads Tampa with 27 strikeouts through 23.1 innings. The former 50th-round pick made some noise last year and has a 1.93 ERA this season.

• Some of the most relevant news coming out of the minor league system can’t be found in a box score. Slade Heathcott has completed his rehab and apparently will be ready to DH within three weeks. When he gets going, I have to assume he’ll jump straight to Tampa.

Associated Press photo of Mitchell; headshots of Austin, Whelan and Segedin

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167 Responses to “Minor league notes: Mitchell setting himself apart early in Triple-A”

  1. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Now if you really want to be depressed before we actually know to what extent the labrum is torn, read this article a few hours ago from “It’s about the Money”

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....shoulders/

    Cashman made this trade after consulting with the professionals about all Pineda’s tests. He shouldn’t be blamed.

  2. blake April 26th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Either way…Pineda is one rehab the Yanks cannot mess up. He has to be driven to get back and the Yanks need to make sure he is.

  3. yankfan April 26th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    all these prospects overrated

    betances and manny have control issues
    warren projects to be back of line starter
    brackman got cut LOL

  4. Gary April 26th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Gary April 26th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    I think when they get in there they always find more. I hope they don’t, but I think folks should be aware that the outcome will probably be worst then what they were able to gather from the MRI. At any rate if he comes back it’s going to be a long ways off.

    We are only a few games into the season and were going to see some additional injuries to pitchers as they always happen also during the season. We are now already into chewing gum and bailing wire, don’t know what will happen. Got to believe the Yanks are talking to anyone still left out there, as they need another insurance arm from somewhere. My opinion Hughes and Joba have let this club down big time, such high expectations and such low results.

  5. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Chad-

    Thanks for the excellent review of many of the Yankees minor league players.

  6. CB April 26th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Repost on Pineda:

    A devastating turn of events for the Yankee’s franchise. There’s no question about it. it has an enormous material impact on the next 10 years of the franchise’s future at least.

    I said this immediately after the trade. Yes it’s true that Pineda and Montero could be considered almost equivalent assets in terms of value. But there was never a doubt that the yankees were the party absorbing the overwhelming risk in the deal. That was clear from teh start.

    I also said that there was a non-trivial chance that Pineda would get seriously injured this spring and that if he does you don’t get to go back and say wow what a surprise who could have predicted this? Doesn’t work that way. This isn’t any shocking surprise.

    That’s not knowledge of anything in particular on my part. It’s just the general probability that’s at play with a pitcher at that age.

    It’s always unfortunate but never truly surprising if a young pitcher get seriously injured. It literally is just math.

    And right now I don’t particularly believe the Yankees “explanation” of this. Sure it’s possible that he could have torn his labrum worse during rehab (which makes them look completely incompetent in another dimension…)

    But there is absolutely no way they can “definitely” say that’s when it happened.

    This is why I was so infuriated that last spring training start Pineda threw. That’s when he said he shoulder really started to hurt.

    It was just so blatantly obvious that something was broken with him. His mechanics were just awful. His front shoulder kept flying open and his back shoulder dragging as he tried to reach for velocity he clearly didn’t have.

    And Girardi and Rothschild just sat in the dugout and literally did nothing as he threw one pitch after another after another.

    This after Girardi made it clear that in order to make the team Pineda would need to show that he could throw 95. What a incredibly perverse thing to say. What else is the kid going to do other than try to throw the ball through the catcher’s glove in order to stay in the bigs even if he physically can’t handle.

    The Yanks gave him huge incentive to throw max effort even if he physically couldn’t do it. You know what can happen with that combination? Shoulder injuries. Huge stress to throw gets transmitted to the shoulder.

    And what makes all of this even worse it’s not as if the Yankees or the coaching staff had ever worked with Pineda or knew him. He’s a 22 yo kid going through his first spring training camp after a full major league load. He doesn’t know how his body will react. He’s never done this before. He’s not Pettitte or Mo. The Yankees don’t know him either so it’s not like they know what to look for if something goes wrong.

    But rather than be cautious they just kept going along despite the fact that he had absolutely no life on the ball.

    There is no way the Yankees can say definitely that he didn’t tear his labrum the night of his last spring training start. Or earlier in the spring. It could have been last year though with the MRI it makes it less likely.

    But Pineda was broken from the beginning of spring training. And they just kept letting him throw and throw and throw while spitting out cliches.

    This franchise is simply incompetent when it comes to young pitching. There’s is no two ways about it. Grossly negligent.

    Someone needs to held accountable for this. It’s mind boggling.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 26th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    “Veterans are leading the Triple-A lineup. Dewayne Wise is building off his strong spring training with a .388 average and team-high three home runs. Steve Pearce and Jack Cust — two former big leaguers signed at the end of spring training — have combined for 24 RBIs.”

    Those are the three I mentioned in my post about the SWB game against the PawSux, in which Adam Warren pitched. Very impressive.

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    No one ever projected Warren was a front-line guy, so no one has “over rated” him.

    I’ll go see DJ on Sunday, if possible. It’s between him at LHV or Marshall at Trenton, the latter’s much easier to do, but given the sudden focus on our AAA guys, and the fact that DJ could get a callup at some point, DJ probably wins my attentions on Sunday.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 26th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    “My opinion Hughes and Joba have let this club down big time, such high expectations and such low results.”

    Or have been let down by the club big time. Especially in Joba’s case I feel that’s an accurate statement.

  10. Betsy April 26th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    CB, I said it as soon as Joe made those quotes about it being a big ST start – that those were asinine words; I was infuriated then. I hope they weren’t trying to teach Pineda a lesson. IF you believe Klapisch, which I don’t know that I do, the Yankees were disappointed that Pineda seemed overwhelmed and immature coming into camp. Now he should not have come into camp overweight, but holy moly – he’s a baby. What did they expect?

    IMO, Cashman and Girardi held Pineda’s career in their hands and they may have completely destroyed it. Tht’s why I’m all for their being fired – which will never happen. I don’t know what to think about Rothschild.

  11. Gary April 26th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    I saw Pineda pitch against Detroit in March in Tampa, that day at least he was fine you would not have suspected anything from how he pitched that day.

    I catch your points about it being the perfect storm and somewhat strange that the worst case scenario has occured.

    I think everyone is just in shock, the magnitude of the Yanks trading away Montero for nothing if it turns out that way would have to be one of the greatest Yankee debacles of all time.

  12. blake April 26th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    CB,

    Hey there….yea its awful….totally agree about Pineda’s last ST start and I said some of that same stuff this morning…..its possible that there was a preexisting issue when they traded for him….but if I had to guess it really blew up that night when he clearly wasn’t right….when his fastball was cutting like crazy and his shoulder was dropping….and he was left out there to labor because of some stupid competition

  13. Gary April 26th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 26th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    “My opinion Hughes and Joba have let this club down big time, such high expectations and such low results.”

    Or have been let down by the club big time. Especially in Joba’s case I feel that’s an accurate statement.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Tricia respectfully Joba is the poster child for how to screw up one’s own career. I think maybe the club gets some blame, but the lion’s share has to be on him.

  14. Gary April 26th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    I can’t imagine much sympathy out there for the Yanks. Didn’t expect any because it’s a business, but I can almost hear the snickers resonating from several cit

  15. GreenBeret7 April 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Cody Johnson’s never going to be a contact hitter, but, he’s starting to walk a bit more, and so far is hitting .286. his 5 homers (one every 13 at bats) isn’t measured in feet. They measure them in megatonnage.They changed his batting stance since last year at Tampa. More traditional. Instead of his hands back by his left hip (hits left handed), they’re now up higher and even with the left side of his body. For the old fans, picture Mickey Tettleton.

  16. Gary April 26th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Well I guess to look at it with the glass half full, last year we had 3 .500 pitchers, and the bullpen and the offense carried the team. This year the bullpen is continuing their success so perhaps the loss of Pineda and the addition of Andy/Kuroda nets a similar situation.

  17. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    That’s just an outstanding MiLB summary.

    Thanks Chad. You do great work.

    :)

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Good post, CB.

    The “let’s see the velo” imperative was reckless, naive and of course, self serving.

    Even Cashman’s attempt to massage outcomes, with that ‘if he doesn’t have a change, I’ll have made a mistake’ remark. Somebody take the keys from this guy, please.

  19. Jerkface April 26th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    A post with video of Hughes from 08, 09, 2011. They are in reverse order but you can see the devolution of his curve. In 2011 he gets some feeble check swings. In 2009 he got a much better check swing. In 2008 he has guys swinging and missing it like they cant pick it up out of his hand. The 2008 curve is still too slow for my liking but atleast it appears deceptive.

    http://forums.nyyfans.com/show.....ost7492012

  20. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Should have traded for Gio. He had a track record of good health.

  21. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    CB-

    Nice to see you around.

    What you expressed what pretty much how I felt all day yesterday.

    Since that time I’ve managed to calm down and just try to get things in perspective.

    The more you think about it the sadder and more angry you can become.

    Randy pretty much nailed it.

    He asked for you a few times by the way.

  22. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    They must have really loved Pineda to take that risk.

  23. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    edit : was not what. sorry.

  24. GreenBeret7 April 26th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Arm injuries can happen to any pitcher at any time. Pineda has had an arm issue before and was in no danger of being sent down to the minors. If his arm/shoulder wasn’t feeling right, he’s old enough to be telling somebody about it…even if it’s another pitcher.

  25. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Thank God for Ivan Nova.

    A true bright spot in an otherwise dark cloud.

    And D-rob too.

    ;)

  26. CB April 26th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Blake,

    Agreed. I’ve just been beside myself. I just can’t get over it. They are just plain dumb as an organization. There is absolutely no two ways about it.

    And it’s unclear if they are even being honest with themselves at this point. Because they are more or less lying publicly as damage control.

    It’s just shocking that they left him out in that spring training start – a former catcher and a lauded pitching coach- while he was completely broken and looked awful from pitch 1.

    I’d also guess that he had some kind of inflammation in his shoulder but he really did significant damage that evening. That was the first time he complained of pain.

    But this organization is just plain stupid. From the GM to the manager – they are just plain pitching dumb.

    There is copious evidence to support this now. No more benefit of the doubt.

    They took one of the best minor league bats of the past several season – denigrated the value of the asset because he was “only a DH” and proceeded to turn him into dust. It’s just amazing.

    The Sox are in such complete disarray. The Yanks could have cemented the start to their next team and gotten a major head start. Right now they are going to need to really meet the challenge the Rangers are posing.

    And they took a key asset and just utterly wasted it in what may literally the worst way possible because their own incompetence played a key role.

    I wish John Hart hadn’t signed an extension. I really do.

  27. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    I wonder if they sign Hamels or Greinke and let Granderson walk after 2013 and promote Mason prematurely like they did with Melky.

  28. yankfan April 26th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    brian cashman had his lunch stolen from SEA

    and overall, the rangers are CLOWNING the Yanks: better team, better farm, better GM

    only way to recover is to fire Cashman and get a real GM

  29. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    I can see Lou Pinella managing the Red Sox.

    As for GM, Cashman is brown noser extraordinaire. He’s not going anywhere.

  30. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Gary April 26th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 26th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    “My opinion Hughes and Joba have let this club down big time, such high expectations and such low results.”

    Or have been let down by the club big time. Especially in Joba’s case I feel that’s an accurate statement.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Tricia respectfully Joba is the poster child for how to screw up one’s own career. I think maybe the club gets some blame, but the lion’s share has to be on him.

    —————-

    He takes part of the blame but I’m not sure if he takes the lion share of the blame. He did make mistakes such as being stubborn and the weight issues.

  31. austinmac April 26th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    As I said yesterday, an MRI with an injectable is more detailed in what can be seen. It absolutely would have been great to have one before the trade. It may have shown a problem or not. I very much doubt such tests are used before trades. They must have some risks and the team with the player may not be willing to allow it.

  32. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    GB-

    You’re right.

    Pitching itself is an unnatural act.

    The Young Pitchers are the most vulnerable.

    And the ones with questionable mechanics even more so.

    We have talked about preventing injuries many times over the years.

    We spoke about guys like MM.

    I would love for the Yankees to hire a guy like that even though they won’t.

    It would be nice to have a chance to prevent injury in the 1st place rather than just reacting to it.

    Another area of concern are the OS training regimens.

    I know they can’t force guys but I think they should make it really clear what their expecations are, and incentivize it so that guys would be more inclined.

    Lot’s of things need to be looked at IMO.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 26th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    “They must have really loved Pineda to take that risk.”

    I imagine they did. And nothing prior to his starting out in ST stood out as am alarm bell since he passed two MRIs and all of the strength tests with flying colors.

    When they took him out of the last game in which he pitched, he admitted to having some pain and said it wasn’t the first time he felt it. But he never told the club about it. And his next MRI only showed shoulder tendinitis. So they were operating in good faith, I would say.

    It’s just an awful thing to have happened, but I read that labrum tears are amongst the hardest to detect and don’t always show up on MRIs.

    Right now it is what it is and we just have to deal with it. No amount of anger, angst, or indignation is going to chance the course of events. I seriously doubt that anyone is going to be fired over it.

    All we can do at this point is hope for the best and move on.

  34. Gary April 26th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    I wonder if they sign Hamels or Greinke and let Granderson walk after 2013 and promote Mason prematurely like they did with Melky.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Well we have had the Greinke debate and Hamels isn’t leaving Philly. Personally I think Grandy strikes out too much, but like Chad said it’s part of the package

  35. CB April 26th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    MTU,

    How are you? Hope things are well.

    I just didn’t have the time to even get into this before today. It was just so absurdly ridiculous.

    And I have a feeling that it’s much worse than we even are guessing in terms of incompetence.

    The manager is a former catcher. My goodness. How do they do this? How can you be that out to lunch?

    I honestly wasn’t even surprised at the news. I was bracing for it. Dye contrast MRI is one of the worst phrases you can possibly hear associated with a pitcher. I had a gnawing feeling that this was what it was going to show.

    But to hear them just continue to lie about it – just makes it worse.

    The organization is now really stuck. Hal clearly doesn’t want to go over the cap and absorb the hit. The hitter that could have helped them manage the transition of getting cheaper while still competing was turned into a pitcher that a major part of the organization’s strategy was implicitly built around who was transformed into nothing.

    Thank goodness they had the dumb luck of Andy wanting to come back. All of those conversations about who would be in the rotation seem very quaint now as of course those questions settled themselves. The organization is now short on pitching – again.

    Only this time it is very unlikely that the owner will use his check book to fix the problem.

    This is an unmitigated disaster. They are truly idiots.

  36. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Does anyone think Randy is out hunting Cashman ?

    :)

  37. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    I’m not crazy about Hamels anyway – wanted Cain. Still, it’s awful that this club is short a potential #2 again. Wish we could have back Montero to trade him for one.

  38. GreenBeret7 April 26th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    MTU,

    No team is likely to ever hire Mike Marshall. His ideas are too radical. It’s going to have to start with a really desperate pitcher to go to him and have him rework him from the ground up. he’s said many times that he has no desire to be a pitching coach or work for any team.

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 26th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    “only way to recover is to fire Cashman and get a real GM”

    Since I seriously doubt that’s going to happen, if it doesn’t, the only remaining question will be whether or not people who are really teed off at Cashman intend to remain Yankee fans. Because continuing to rail about it isn’t going to change a thing and at some point you have to move on.

    I admit that the Yankee organization feels a little bit like a rudderless ship to me, and I don’t really know who’s in charge. Since the death of the Boss, it just has a different feel.

    That said, we’re not in charge of the ownership or the decisions they make. So the best we can do is either boycott the team or continue to root for them. I just don’t see anything in between.

  40. CB April 26th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    “Wish we could have back Montero to trade him for one.”

    See this is one of the very real reasons not to have traded him. Lost in all of the withering “he’s only a DH” comments was the notion of opportunity cost.

    You only get to use a chip once. That’s it. So when you use it you better use it correctly.

    Instead they used it for another chip that is literally the most risky chip in the game. Well done.

    But bringing up the issue of risk and how it was exchanged in the deal was blown off at the time because we’d turned “only a DH” into a “frontline ace.”

    And now the team has lost out on the ability to make a stronger deal for a more stable asset.

    This entire transaction was just so poorly thought out from a strategic stand point.

    Just dumb all around.

  41. GreenBeret7 April 26th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Hamels will end up with the LA Dodgers, unless the improbable happens that he re-signs with Philadelphia. The Yanks would have to outbid the Dodgers by 20% for him to sign with NYYs and that ain’t happening and they aren’t taking a risk on Greinke.

  42. CB April 26th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Good night everyone. What a disappointing turn of events. Really just takes the life out of the season in many ways. They just squandered so much of the future.

  43. LGY April 26th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    CB

    Nice to see you around. Obviously the focus the past 24 hours is Pineda but I’m curious what you think about Hughes thus far.

  44. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Cain was the guy. It’s too bad. He really got paid. I mean he’s great but highest paid RHP in baseball history? Tough to talk him out of that.

  45. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    CB-

    Im fine. Hope you are too although I’m sure this raised your BP.

    Thanks for asking.

    :)

  46. Stoneburner April 26th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    “In the 365-24-7 world of instant analysis, there are many fans and media members who have already declared the Yankees the losers in the Pineda trade. To get Pineda and 19-year old pitcher Jose Campos, the Yankees moved Jesus Montero, their top prospect, and Hector Noesi. To me, it’s a foolish notion to select a winner and a loser in a trade that involves four players who are 24 years old or younger, and a trade where the players have yet to even play one month with their new teams.”

    Jack Curry

    QFT

    And remember (for fake fan boy Yankees fans – they probably were not even Yankees fans because this is pre-1996 )- from the ashes of a Taylor injury will rise a new dynasty – as will be the same from a Pineda injury – remember – - – -

    Oh fake fan boy Yankees fans – what will you confuse next – will it be that power change as a plus change for Jose Ramirez – - – -

  47. LGY April 26th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Trisha

    Since you believe pitching wins are you comfortable with Cashman as GM?

  48. Giuseppe Franco April 26th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    I’m not crazy about Hamels anyway – wanted Cain. Still, it’s awful that this club is short a potential #2 again. Wish we could have back Montero to trade him for one.

    ———–

    Sorry, you don’t get to do that.

    You jumped for joy when the deal was made and mocked those who said this was a bad trade from the moment it happened, which was especially idiotic considering you knew nothing about Pineda, only that he was young and could throw hard.

    This is real life – not Xbox. There are no do-overs.

    Some of us aren’t the least bit surprised and could see it coming a mile away. This organization does not have a good track record for developing young arms and they took a huge gamble using their biggest asset to deal for a project.

    Trading Montero for Gio Gonzalez would have been even dumber. At least Pineda had the much higher upside.

  49. JobaTipsHisCap April 26th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Certainly Cashman is not a genius on this trade.
    Please stop calling he is a good gm, because he is not.

    Get rid of them; with Yankees resources, most people can do a better job than he’s been doing.

  50. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Gio for Montero would have been a steal. Too bad Beane wanted Mason Williams as well.

  51. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    It almost seems like if you become a good Pitcher in the Yankees system it’s by accident rather than as part of a plan.

    All the nobody’s become somebody’s and all the somebody’s become nobody’s.

    It’s the World turned on it’s head or so it seems.

    :)

  52. Giuseppe Franco April 26th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Jack Curry obviously didn’t read the comments and concerns from many of us LoHud regulars argued why dealing Montero for Pineda was a terrible decision in so many ways.

  53. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    At this point, Reggie Sanders for Phil Hughes is looking like a pretty fair deal.

  54. JobaTipsHisCap April 26th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Can they fix al trautwigs teeth?
    They look ugly. Ouch.

  55. LGY April 26th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Oh fake fan boy Yankees fans – what will you confuse next – will it be that power change as a plus change for Jose Ramirez – – – -

    ——-

    I know you’re a crazy person, but you do realize the plus change up thing has been stated on several websites when writing up Jose Ramirez.

    For example,

    “Ramirez has a 1.93 ERA in 23 1/3 innings and a 29-6 K-BB mark for low Class A Charleston. Ramirez, 20, does it with a plus fastball that can reach the mid-90s, a plus changeup and the ability to pound the strike zone. That should be enough for Ramirez to cruise through the low minors, though he will still need to bring his breaking ball up to par as he moves up the ladder.”

    -Baseball America

  56. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    GF-

    Some of us just did not see quite as clearly as some others.

    I loved Montero but I tried to keep an open mind.

    I never expected to get an answer on the merits of the trade this quickly.

    I figured it would take years to evaluate.

    Looks like I was wrong.

    :(

  57. blake April 26th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    They should never have traded Montero in the first place unless they were getting Kershaw or Felix or one of the very top guys….and they should have planned all along to make a serious run at Hamels…..the first part is done and they can’t get that back but they still have an opportunity to aggressively pursue Hamels and get an established frontkine guy……they won’t do it……but they should stop trying to be something they arent

  58. hardwired7 April 26th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    No chance Brian Cashman can screw up my team’s draft tonight. I’m psyched!

    :wink:

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 26th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    LGY – it’s tough for me to answer that. I have wondered whether the legal stuff surrounding the affair might have affected his judgment or his focus. To be honest with you, I don’t know whose responsibility it is to figure certain things out with respect to pitchers and pitching difficulties. Is it the GM? The trainer? Pitching coach? Team doctor? Manager? I know that I don’t feel the same sense of security in the organization that I have in the past, but that certainly transcends the GM. Who’s on first? If the Boss were here, would Hughes still be pitching? If you remember he was the one to give the order to send Cone to Tampa when Cone was stinking up the joint. The manager wasn’t going to do it.

    I truly don’t know what I think at this point. I don’t think it was wrong to trade Montero for Pineda, and I believe they did their due diligence in terms of physicals, MRIs, and strength testing. But I don’t know how I feel about what did or didn’t happen since Montero hit camp. I just don’t know what too think. Another thought that has been swirling around for a while has to do with Andy coming back and the importance that had been placed on Pineda taking a back seat. Did that happen? I don’t know. Did they start to concentrate on Andy and his place in the rotation and somehow not pay enough attention to what was happening with Pineda? Again, I don’t know the answers to any of the questions and I don’t take things on face value, i.e., because so many people here are upset with Cashman, the organization, etc., I go along with it because I believe they know what they’re doing. No, I don’t know which assessments, if any, are correct. So all I can do is wonder. But my level of comfort is not what it was when George was running the show.

  60. Bret The Hitman April 26th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    The people who complained (and still cry) about the Montero trade were billing him as the next Mickey Mantle. The only two who were concerned about injury risk were Randy and CB. But CB was also too high on Montero – and described him as the next Pujols or Cabrera as did Randy. And Randy was fixated on the lack of a CU.

    I was mocking the Montero hype – which was absurd (and still is).

    He is not a catcher.

    He is a DH.

    The Yankees were not as high on him as you thought.

    You were proven wrong about that.

    But go ahead, rewrite history.

  61. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Blake-

    That’s a very sad statement.

    You’re bascially saying if the Yankees can’t buy Pitching talent they have very little ability to develop it.

    Am I reading you right. Is that what you are saying ?

  62. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    they won’t do it……but they should stop trying to be something they aren’t

    ————

    What are they trying to Kobe?

  63. GreenBeret7 April 26th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    First inning

    Williams fly out to left
    Gamel single to center
    Sanchez strike out
    Austin strike out

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 26th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    And LGY – lots of people are saying that the only person they should have traded Montero for was a proven ace. Not of course that Montero would have been traded straight up for a proven ace. But proven aces could also have shoulder tears. See Leiter, Al. So if the proven ace ended up with a shoulder tear, would it still be on Cashman with everyone saying he should have known and therefore it was a terrible trade?

    I liked Pineda and thought we got a great deal. I’m hoping that he comes back and is lights out (time will tell) so that the trade still looks like it wasn’t a total bust.

    Montero was not staying in the organization. We all know that now. The handwriting was on the wall.

  65. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    To be not Kobe smh

  66. blake April 26th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    MTU,

    No no…what Im saying is that the Yankees shouldn’t have to trade their top prospects for things they need…..they should keep them and use their financial advantage to fill in the rest…….it kinda defeats the purpose of building the farm system if you’re just going to trade the best of it away for things you need.

    The Yanks traded for Pineda at least in part so they wouldn’t have to sign Darvish and so they wouldn’t have to sign Hamels……now they may need Hamels anyway.

    The new CBA has changed things…..and Hal has the right to do whatever he wants…..but if the Yanks are going to chnlange the way they operate to more of a smaller market mindset then perhaps they should hire a front office that has had success running that type of ship

  67. hardwired7 April 26th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Interesting words from Schilling: “I came back after my surgery, throwing four to six miles harder than I did before. … It is 25 percent about the surgery and 75 percent about the rehab.”

    Putting aside the natural bias against the source, those are encouraging words. He’s been down that road.

    That’s not to say Pineda will throw harder, but it does possibly mitigate that specter of “diminished velocity”.

  68. Giuseppe Franco April 26th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    For someone who consistently whines about people “speaking in absolutes” – it’s funny how you still label Montero as just a DH, especially when his new team seems to think otherwise.

    No, he’s not the regular catcher for SEA (and nobody expected him to be in his first full ML season), but he does catch. So guess what? You’re misguided yet again.

    Montero has already caught 5 games this season and that’s not insignificant considering that SEA has only played 20 games, so 25% of their games if you do the math.

    And for the record, my argument against the trade was far more than they stupidly traded their most valuable asset. I also said several times that the Yanks don’t have a good track record with developing young arms.

  69. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    OK Blake.

    I understand what you mean now but I don’t think that wallet opens again untuil 2016, or the team begins to sink.

    I don’t think it’s gonna sink so I’m thinking that wallet stays shut.

    And you’re also right that if they want to be a development team they better hire some folks who are good at it.

  70. BoJo April 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    I’m actually okay witht he Pineda injury…sort of.

    I said last year that it was obvious the Yankees didn’t value Montero as a catcher and would probably trade him. I advocated going for Gio Gonzales at the time because he was near physical prime.

    After the Pineda trade, I again mentioned I wished they would have done Gio instread, specifically because I donm’t trust the success rate of pitchers under 25 to remain healthy when they are hard throwers. The body just doesn’t hold up well.

    But now, given what we have, it all points to the increasing possibility of a best case scenario working out…which is Joba coming back as a rotation starter. Hughes is proving he is only a #3 or #4 pitcher, and a healthy Joba (back from TJS stronger than before) makes a lot of sense as a rotation addition who can be a #2 or #3 like Pineda was supposed to be.

    We’ll see if my master plan works out…(evil laughter).

  71. G. Love April 26th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    The most entertaining part of this thread is the conversation Bret is having with himself about other teams players. It’s almost Rain Man like, lol.

  72. RadioKev April 26th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    it kinda defeats the purpose of building the farm system if you’re just going to trade the best of it away for things you need.
    —————-

    I’d challenge that. Proven quality big league talent for prospects? Even the best prospect is still a prospect.

  73. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Bojo-

    Nice thought except that now we don’t even know if Joba is coming back since he destroyed his ankle.

    He not only has to deal with the TJ but with the ankle as well.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he never throws another pitch for the Yankees, or possibly for anyone else.

    It took Kendry Morales about 2 years to get it together after he broke his and his wasn’t dislocated.

    And he’s not a Pitcher who need to push off with it.

    I don’t think that dog is gonna hunt.

  74. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    If this was Inception your plan would work.

  75. G. Love April 26th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Bojo,

    Good too see you around these parts. As for Joba starting, not as long as Cashman is GM. Root for firing, that’s the only way this organization’s philosophy and methods towards its players will change.

  76. BoJo April 26th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    I don’t see Joba’s ankle as as bad an injury as KM’s. And isn’t this Inception? I thought I was living in my own reality….

  77. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Whatever you say Bojo.

    ;)

  78. Giuseppe Franco April 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    MTU April 26th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    I never expected to get an answer on the merits of the trade this quickly.

    I figured it would take years to evaluate.

    ———–

    You and me both.

    Things can still turn around for the Yanks’ end of this disaster, but as CB eloquently stated, this organization is mind-numbingly incompetent when it comes to young pitchers.

    I don’t understand why. This shouldn’t happen.

    Obviously, young arms are fragile by nature. That’s just the way it is. But you’d think a top tier organization would have a better success rate given the talent they’ve had over the last several years.

    It almost seems like every young pitching-related decision has been mishandled – Wang, Joba, Hughes, Pineda, etc., etc….

    SMFH.

  79. austinmac April 26th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    That was an interesting and optimistic article about Schilling’s comments. While we all may wonder about Pineda’s work ethic because he reported overweight, this will be very supervised. Plus, the point can well be made the difference between doing this right and not is the difference between being a multimillionaire and pitching In the Dominican Winter League for substinance pay.

  80. BoJo April 26th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Thanks MTU—and I believe Horace Clarke is also making a comeback to give Cano a battle at 2B…should make him hustle more.

  81. RadioKev April 26th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Schilling is still a loud mouth – but at least he’s encouraging a Yankees player

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....etter-ever

  82. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Lol Bojo if u could pull it off I’d love to see it. Seriously though if I’m the Yankees I consider it. They are no shape to be picky. Another reason why the Pineda news hurts is it takes away another option. The Yankees messed up by stuffing Joba in the pen yrs ago. You want to increase the options not get rid of them.

  83. Triple Short of a Cycle April 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    The amazing thing is that people who were in favor of the trade still think it was the right move. Young pitchers getting hurt was a big reason given to not do the trade and that is exactly what happened

  84. mick April 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Things can still turn around for the Yanks’ end of this disaster, but as CB eloquently stated, this organization is mind-numbingly incompetent when it comes to young pitchers.
    ====================================================
    The Yanks have never HAD TO develop young pitchers.
    They just go out and buy it.
    Something we have to accept as Yankee fans.
    We didn’t complain when mercenaries Cone, Clemens, Wells etc… pitched us to championships.

  85. Duh Innings April 26th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    The Yanks should move Phelps to the rotation, send Hughes to AAA, call up D.J. Mitchell,, trade Garcia, call up another pitcher, and see what Phelps and Mitchell can do in the backend of the rotation. When Pettitte returns, Phelps or Mitchell return to the bullpen and the callup is sent back down. Maybe the Yankees rotation after Sabathia to start next year is Pettitte re-signed / Nova / Two from Phelps, Mitchell, Hughes, Pineda, Banuelos, Betances, and Warren, and they could bring back Chien Mien Wang who I thought never got a fair shot at coming back with the Yanks.

    Ten Reasons (Plus One More For Good Measure) Why The Yankees Should Fire Brian Cashman (in no particular order):

    - His off the field debacle with Louise Meanwell/Neathway whatever the @#$% she calls herself who could be a potential physical danger to anyone in the Yankees organization for as long as she lives and is a free woman. ‘Say she gets fifteen years. She probably does far less than that with good behavior and parole which means she’d be a free person again able to live and go wherever she wants. Bottom line is she’s not going to prison for the rest of her life if she’s convicted and who knows what she would do when she becomes free?

    - He has developed exactly ONE everyday player who has been a star one as a Yankee: Robinson Cano, who he and the Yankees have probably (privately) pis sed off because (Cano) sees Jerid Weaver, Matt Cain, Ryan Braun, and Troy Tulowitski receive enormous extensions and the Yanks are still picking up his club options i.e. they picked up his 2012 club option and will most likely pick up his 2013 option, too, which is telling him they don’t think he’s good enough to be locked up. I’m pretty sure the Yanks have left a bad taste in Cano’s mouth and will literally pay for it come free agency time as I think Cano will ask for at least a decade and $200M and get it from someone if not the Yanks. Cano has seven full seasons under his belt, 2012 will be his eighth, and he has had exactly one bad year and I’m saying it here and now: HE IS BETTER THAN WEAVER, CAIN, BRAUN, AND TULOWITSKI CUZ HE’S GETTING IT DONE IN NEW YORK, THE BIGGEST STAGE THERE IS IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS.

    - The Montero and Noesi for Pineda disaster trade. Ummm…why didn’t Cashman just offer those two, Hughes, Chamberlain, Nunez, and Mason Williams for Felix Hernandez? That would’ve been two young, promising, cheap Major League or ML-ready everyday players at DH/C (Montero) and 2B/3B/SS (Nunez), two ML-ready starting pitchers (Hughes and Noesi), and an MLB reliever with closer / setup man potential who could maybe (but probably unlikely at this point) be a starting pitcher (Chamberlain.) They could’ve traded for Chamberlain before he decided to have his 250+ pound body jump up and down on a trampoline while rehabbing. I think the Yanks would’ve acquired King Felix trading all that as that’s FIVE players who are already MLers or ML-ready. The 2012 Yanks rotation would’ve been Sabathia / Hernandez / Nova / Garcia / My guess Phelps (Kuroda wouldn’t have been signed) to start 2013 then Pettitte sliding into the #3 and pushing Nova to #4, Garcia to #5, Phelps to the bullpen where he is now, with a chance for Phelps to take Garcia’s job.

    - He has never won a World Series without “The Core Four” developed under Gene Michael, the Yankees GM before the one Cashman succeeded.

    - His failure to land Johann Santana by simply trading Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy which cost the Yanks the postseason in 2008. All you idiots who say “The Yanks wouldn’t have been able to sign Sabathia had the Yanks traded for Santana” ummm…yes they would’ve because they would’ve simply not signed Burnett, or did you forget the Yanks gave Burnett over $80M? The 2008 Yankees rotation to start the season would’ve been Santana / Wang / Mussina / Pettitte / Who cares who the fifth starter is with that front four? The 2009 Yankees rotation to start the season would’ve been Sabathia / Santana / Pettitte / Wang / TBD. Maybe Mussina would’ve come back for 2009 if the Yanks lost the 2008 ALCS or World Series (one more try so he isn’t branded a three-time World Series loser.)

    - He traded Melky Cabrera for Javier Vasquez II: The Second Suc king.

    - He’s a serial philanderer. When you’re trying to get into the pants of every woman who isn’t your wife who you find ban gable, you’re running the risk of drawing a psycho. Cashman drew a psycho. You can’t tell me his marital problems caused by his inability to abide by matrimonial vows hasn’ distracted him.

    - He gave A-Rod a new decade-long contract after 2007 when he should’ve given A-Rod a half-decade contract A-Rod would’ve taken cuz no one was giving him more than five years. Had the Yanks signed A-Rod for a half-decade, this year would’ve been his walk year and the Yanks could’ve said goodbye to him had he produced a less than expected 2012.

    - His inability to develop a starting pitcher who can give the Yanks more than back to back solid full seasons besides 2006-2007 Wang (full seasons, to me, being at least 30 starts, 180 IP, and an ERA of 4.50 or less.)

    - His inability to land a true/real #2 starting pitcher to complete a 1-2 punch where 1 is Sabathia.

    – He’s been lucky with his starting pitching starting with 2005. He’s lucky CC wanted to play in New York and for the Yankees and the Yankees had the money to give to CC; Pettitte wanted to come back and keep coming back including this year; Garcia and Colon pitched like a solid 3-4 and at times 2-3 starter combination in 2011; Colon got hurt so Ivan Nova could take his spot and keep it; Tony Womack got hurt so Cano could take his spot and keep it, Kevin Brown got hurt so Wang could take his spot and keep it, throwaways Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon pitched like a 1-2 punch; Wang was solid in 2005 then an ace 2006 until he got hurt 6/15/08.

  86. Triple Short of a Cycle April 26th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    We didn’t complain when mercenaries Cone, Clemens, Wells etc… pitched us to championships.

    ———————————————————————

    Cone and Clemens were acquired via trades

  87. RadioKev April 26th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    - He has never won a World Series without “The Core Four” developed under Gene Michael, the Yankees GM before the one Cashman succeeded.
    ————–

    This is my favorite one. So Cashman should be fired because he hasn’t won a World Series the past two years? The first two years of his GM tenure without “The Core Four?”

    Thumbs up

  88. mick April 26th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Cone and Clemens were acquired via trades
    ============================
    Whether by trade or FA , we didn’t develop them.

  89. Giuseppe Franco April 26th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    mick April 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Things can still turn around for the Yanks’ end of this disaster, but as CB eloquently stated, this organization is mind-numbingly incompetent when it comes to young pitchers.
    ====================================================
    The Yanks have never HAD TO develop young pitchers.
    They just go out and buy it.
    Something we have to accept as Yankee fans.
    We didn’t complain when mercenaries Cone, Clemens, Wells etc… pitched us to championships.

    ———-

    The FA market changed a long time ago.

    Cashman wanted full control of the day-to-day operations back in 2005, and got it, so the organization could focus more on developing their own guys – primarily pitchers (and catchers, too).

    That was 8 years ago. You’d think they’d have somebody in the organization who knew how to manage these kids by now.

  90. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    GF-

    I agree. I’m at a loss for words on that one.

    Mick makes a good point.

    The Yankees have, up till lately, had the ability to just buy it. It’s like always having the ability to fly and then suddenly you have to walk and use your legs instead.

    They are between models because of the 189 I guess.

    It’s a problem.

  91. Frozen Rope April 26th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    only a matter of time before this clueless organization ruins Mitchell just like all the others.

  92. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    I don’t understand why. This shouldn’t happen.

    Obviously, young arms are fragile by nature. That’s just the way it is. But you’d think a top tier organization would have a better success rate given the talent they’ve had over the last several years.

    —————

    Some organizations are better in some areas than others. I know it sounds too simple but seriously that’s what it boils down to. The ppl in charge have to hire individuals that perform well when it comes to a certain craft. Switching sports a bit there is a reason the NY Giants have a knack for acquiring / finding WRs and pass rushers. They not only identify the talent but develop it properly. When it comes to the Yankees and pitching there is too much going on. Win at all cost, different coaches with different philosophies, lack of patience, sometimes no clear plan, weird development process, short term goals instead of a long term out look(we believe we have starters that can relieve – Cashman), etc

  93. mick April 26th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    That was 8 years ago. You’d think they’d have somebody in the organization who knew how to manage these kids by now.
    =================
    Makes you wonder.
    I’m sure they think they are doing a good job with Banuelos, Betances, etc…
    Question is: Is it for the Big Team’s consumption or good enough to trade them?
    NY’s success thru the years has not been based on patience.
    Why many have a problem with this and yet have enjoyed the fruit of our successes is puzzling.

  94. Giuseppe Franco April 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Oops. That’s 7 years ago.

    I’m so disgusted by these turn of events that I can’t do simple First Grade math!

  95. mick April 26th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    They are between models because of the 189 I guess.
    ================================
    If Hal is looking to reinvent the Yankees he is prolly doing it for the wrong reasons.
    Saving and making even more money has never been the reason the Yanks have enjoyed success.
    Success , in and of itself, was always enough before big business took over.

  96. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    That was 8 years ago. You’d think they’d have somebody in the organization who knew how to manage these kids by now.

    ———————-

    That’s what ppl forget it’s not yr 3 or 4 we’re going on 7 -8 yrs here. No one said they should have a nee core 4 but cmon now.

  97. Against All Odds April 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    New not nee

  98. mick April 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Phelps is an example of a prospect who might not be here much longer.
    If he is viewed here as a 4-5 starter and elsewhere as a 1-3, consider him gone.
    This could very well be his audition out of here for a “proven” starter.

  99. GreenBeret7 April 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    after striking out in the first inning, Tyler Austin bombs one to left center. Bichette continues his slump after a hot start. Sanchez is 0-2 an is williams. sanchez is 1 of 2 throwing out base stealers.

  100. austinmac April 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Tyler Austin just hit a homer off the Astros former first round pick who was throwing 92-93. He hit a fastball a long way.

  101. austinmac April 26th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    GB,

    I’m watching too. Sanchez looks pretty good throwing.I want to see Williams hit one in the gap.

  102. mick April 26th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    What I don’t understand is the “decision” to start Freddy just 3 days after Hughes.
    Phelps can’t be both of their caddies.
    Again, why should CC be continually pushed back a day to accommodate Freddy?
    Give Phelps 3 days rest between longman appearances.
    Basic Little League 101.

  103. GreenBeret7 April 26th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Mac,

    Is your video sort of stop and go, jumpy? Austin really smoked that pitch. Sanchez hit that ball foul to right but just flipped his bat at the ball.

  104. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Mick-

    We agree on this. Hal is not his Father.

    1st and foremost he is a number cruncher.

    He probably dreams of the # 189 in technicolor.

    :)

  105. austinmac April 26th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    gB,

    No my video is pretty good for a change.

  106. theREALkevin April 26th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    For people saying Montero cannot catch. You are wrong. He caught for the Yankees last season against the Angels & he looked fine. He caught Felix Hernandez last night & did fine. No one expects him to be a elite defensive catcher. He doesn’t have to be. But look at Mike Piazza. Look at Mike Napoli. Montero can definitely at least be as good as these guys. Yes, he will have to hit, that is for sure.

    And for saying he is not a DH? Um, what? Any player can DH. All you do is bat and you don’t play the field. I don’t even know what that means. You won’t think he will hit enough to DH, is that it? Well, time will tell on that I guess.

    Most people who were against the trade were not against it because they think Montero will be the next Mantle. They thought he would be very good & the Yankees lineup is aging & inconsistent at times. And they would have been more OK with it if the trade had netted a more proven pitcher like Felix or a young impact bat that in the Yankees’ eyes had a position (even though they could have found ABs for Montero).

    The plain fact is that anyone against that specific trade, for any reason, was right. It has completely blown up in their face and looks like a disaster right now.

  107. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    If anyone is bored and gets WGN. The Sux vs. the White Sox is on.

    And Humber is pitching.

  108. austinmac April 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Nice double off a curve by Austin. Impressive.

  109. raymagnetic April 26th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Wonder which pitcher the Yanks will get when they trade Austin :???:

  110. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Is there a way to sign up for a LoHud alert email whenever there’s a vent thread?

    Is it on twitter?

  111. tomingeorgia April 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    MTU,
    Thanks a million, past bored and almost pissed off.

  112. GreenBeret7 April 26th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Austin’s double off of the left field wall and scores on Bichette’s single

  113. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    sure thing Tom.

    Nothing is as calming as watching the sux implode.

    :)

  114. tomingeorgia April 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    MTU,
    That, and a little Early Times.

  115. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Noesi beat the Tigers tonight.

    :)

  116. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Sounds like Carl Crawford might need surgery.

    Talk about a disastrous move.

    :)

  117. tomingeorgia April 26th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    MTU,
    “But it only cost money, not prospects”!

  118. CompassRosy April 26th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    MTU April 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Noesi beat the Tigers tonight.

    ~

    Actually, he got the ND.
    But, he did have a no-hitter through 4, limited the damage in the 5th and then got “Cabrera’ed” in the 6th

    I’m sure he and his team are happy with the sweep though (especially after being perfecto’ed and swept at home)

    ;)

  119. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Tom-

    Did you hear the Sux DL list ?

    Wow.

    Almost the whole team.

    :)

  120. blake April 26th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Nova’s winning streak is going to be tested against Verlander tomorrow

  121. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    What has happened to the Halos ?

  122. tomingeorgia April 26th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    MTU,
    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    I am sorry I’m missing Nova-Verlander. Wish the Tigers hadn’t been swept by Seattle. Law of averages and all that. But I have confidence in the Vato.

  124. CompassRosy April 26th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    theREALkevin April 26th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    “For people saying Montero cannot catch. You are wrong. He caught for the Yankees last season against the Angels & he looked fine. He caught Felix Hernandez last night & did fine. No one expects him to be a elite defensive catcher. He doesn’t have to be. But look at Mike Piazza. Look at Mike Napoli. Montero can definitely at least be as good as these guys. Yes, he will have to hit, that is for sure.”

    yep.
    here’s the plan…

    http://tinyurl.com/74xkb6m

  125. jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    NEW YORK — Nearly two decades after suffering a similar injury to his throwing shoulder, former pitcher Curt Schilling said he thinks Michael Pineda could return from surgery in less than a year — and that Pineda might be even better.

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....um=twitter

  126. CompassRosy April 26th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    tomingeorgia April 26th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    MTU,
    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.

    ~

    I need a “like” button.

    :-)

  127. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    It’s a sad state of affairs when half of LoHud is clinging to the Schilling article like the last life preserver.

  128. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “For people saying Montero cannot catch. You are wrong. ”

    ——-

    I’d say anyone who says definitively that he can or can’t right now is wrong.

    He’s caught a handful of games in his career. He may very well be just fine. He may turn out to be a weak defensive catcher.

    But people have a way of making final decisions/judgments/opinions here on anything and everythign and then changing them when the wind does…. so it goes.

  129. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    JAP-

    Unfortunately, I am going to miss it too.

    :(

  130. blake April 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    “What has happened to the Halos ?”

    They’ll play better…..but they never were as good as everyone thought they were…..they never were as good as Texas….much weaker lineup…..much weaker bullpen……I do think they’ll get it together and fight for a WC spot beforebits over though.

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    MTU,

    That’s what they make DVRs for, I guess.

    I’ve got an appointment with Dealin’ Dellin. Hope he can feel his fingers, this time.

  132. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Youk has started to care???

  133. blake April 26th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Humber has not been perfect tonight….Pukelis just hit a grand slam.

  134. j9d April 26th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Hmmm…seem to remember CB being a little more optimistic about this trade when it happened.

  135. MTU April 26th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Oh well.

    :(

  136. blake April 26th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Sox been killing the ball on their road trip.

  137. Yogi Mantle April 26th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Humber getting creamed. Sometimes when a pitcher gets a no-hitter (in this case a perfect game) they just do lousy in their next game.

  138. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Jacksquat-

    Thanks for the link this morning to the article where Dr Romeo transplants the biceps tendon outside of the capsule. Found it very interesting and I see where Dr James Andrews has performed it. Still seems too early to tell how long a pitcher will be able to pitch successfully with their biceps tendon screwed into place.

    Boston now clobbering Humber with GS by Youkilis followed by a Salty homer 7-1

  139. tomingeorgia April 26th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    JAP,
    Where are they playing tomorrow? Weather decent?

  140. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    j9d, are you sure? I remember him being pretty down on the trade then too, and for the same basic reasons he’s written about today.

    The difference is that he now seems a lot angrier about it now, undoubtedly because Barcelona lost its Champions League semi-final to Chelsea on Tuesday.

  141. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    “seem to remember CB being a little more optimistic about this trade when it happened.”

    ———

    I think he was ok with the trade but I do remember him talking about the inherent risk that pitchers carry, as was discussed by many.

    If Pineda can “Schilling” this injury, we’ll all be a little more optimistic about it.

  142. Jerkface April 26th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    CB January 14th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    I can intellectualize this trade and understand the trade offs and value propositions abstractly. And from that point of view it makes “sense.”

    But the baseball person in me has a sinking feeling about this trade. It’s not one I’m supportive of or would have made.

    Case closed.

  143. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    “The difference is that he now seems a lot angrier about it now…”

    Oops, sloppy writing due to Rangers Game 7 distraction. Awful. Sorry to those I let down. :oops:

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    tom,

    Lehigh Valley, Pa. Probably going to be another windy, cold one – supposed to feel like 47 because of wind. His first outing there was actually generically OK. Didn’t really have his good stuff and kept blowing on his hands. It’s gotten worse since that night, but also he’s pitched in worse conditions. Either way, I’ll be a witness :D

  145. jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    YT, no problem.

    The biceps tendon reattached by artificial means could actually make it even stronger, similar to how TJ surgery usually strengthens that area.

    I just hope Pineda takes his rehab seriously. This might be a wakeup call for him. Seeing as how he came into camp a little out of shape, he may have relied mostly on his natural ability up until now.

  146. jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    For the people making weather an excuse for Betances, isn’t Mitchell pitching in the same weather?

  147. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Anyone know why they are waiting until next Tuesday-waiting for insurance to approve the surgery? :)

  148. Jerkface April 26th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    You guys realize that Pineda isn’t getting that biceps type surgery right?

  149. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    “I just hope Pineda takes his rehab seriously. This might be a wakeup call for him. Seeing as how he came into camp a little out of shape, he may have relied mostly on his natural ability up until now.”

    ———–

    true…. if he’s going to have a real shot, I imagine he’ll need to put in the work in rehab (also as stated in the Schilling article.)

    I’d really hope a hard worker like Andy could offer some guidance but we’ll see.

  150. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    “Anyone know why they are waiting until next Tuesday….?”

    They don’t want to pay Workers’ Comp for April.

  151. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    JF,

    do you personally think he should? I read the articles and of course it sounds pretty good… but every dr has an opinion.

    I’d say they did seem to have their minds made up on the course of treatment pretty quickly. Wouldn’t have killed them to do some research IF they didnt.

  152. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    here come those pesky White Sox

    7 -2 now…. 2 men on, 2 outs

  153. jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    It’s a sad state of affairs when half of LoHud is clinging to the Schilling article like the last life preserver.

    Schilling isn’t the only one who said he came back as good or better. Leiter said he came back and was throwing 97. Others have come back succesfully. It’s important to balance the panic caused by one 8 year old article with one guy thinking there is only a 3% chance of a pitcher coming back from a labrum tear.

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
    For the people making weather an excuse for Betances, isn’t Mitchell pitching in the same weather?
    //

    What exactly is your problem, bud?

  155. tomingeorgia April 26th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    JAP,
    You’re a better man than I, Gunga JAP.

  156. jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    jacksquat April 26th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
    For the people making weather an excuse for Betances, isn’t Mitchell pitching in the same weather?
    //

    What exactly is your problem, bud?

    Is that your best answer?

    I guess my problem would be faulty logic? Or is Mitchell pitching in only warm weather?

  157. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    BD-

    It’s probably because there haven’t been long term results with the procedure.
    Maybe Altchek and Ahmad should inject some plasma enriched platelets thru the scope before they finish their procedure

  158. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    jacksquat, I know, I’m not critical of the article, it’s just funny (to me) that a dozen different people have posted links to it. I have no doubt that it’s possible for Pineda to come back as good as he was before.

    It still stinks, however. Very bad development.

    I’m a big fan of Mew Mexican cuisine, btw. Red or green? Christmas tree.

  159. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    17-20 mph winds, Pruf.

    Jacksquat, Betances is a different pitcher than Mitchell and Betances is moving up in class. Banuelos has a 11.81 walk rate and Yanks said weather has been a big factor. Nardi complained about it, so read him if you have neither sat in or pitched in the bad weather and need an official source.
    http://minormatterstrenton.blo.....reras.html

  160. Jerkface April 26th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    do you personally think he should? I read the articles and of course it sounds pretty good… but every dr has an opinion.

    Well.. probably not? I read the article but I don’t know if the surgery is applicable to every situation… or only some.

    But it would be awesome if that doctor really did make a break through and shoulder surgeries become less iffy in the future.

  161. Nick in SF April 26th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    :arrow:

    Tense final seconds in the MSG!

  162. BD (Boston Dave) April 26th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    YT,

    of course I defer to Ahmad and Altchek…. just curious about some of the alternative procedures and whether the Yanks explored them(including the PRP though not sure how that works with a labrum/cartilage)

    I’ll hope for the best. Like… really hope.

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Speaking of Mitchell, I’ll try to get back out to Lehigh on Sunday for that start, since he seems to be the next in line for a callup.

    I happened to see the back page of the DN at the supermarket this afternoon. A picture of Pineda with the headline: “We Hardly Knew Ye”. I guess that was sarcasm, but I felt very sad for that kid. Of course, I also thought of Montero, because we hardly knew him, even though we raised him.

    The elegiac quality of all this is not lost on me.

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock April 26th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Is that your best answer?

    I guess my problem would be faulty logic? Or is Mitchell pitching in only warm weather?
    ///

    How’s this answer – your shrill Cashman apologist act has grown thin, as has your peculiar trolling of me. I don’t care what the boy from Stepford Conn. “thinks” , if that’s what you do in here.

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