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Yankees prepared for Prince and the Tigers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When the Yankees first came home two weeks ago, it was to face the Angels and their new first baseman, Albert Pujols. This time it’s to face the Tigers and their new first baseman, Prince Fielder. Combined with Miguel Cabrera, the addition of Fielder might have given the Tigers the best one-two punch in baseball.

“They’re probably as good as it’s gonna get,” Joe Girardi said. “These guys can really swing the bats.”

Truth be told, the Tigers haven’t been overwhelmingly good this year, and Prince hasn’t provided the immediate impact most expected, but the Yankees are well aware that this is a dangerous team. It’s hard to forget last year’s division series.

“You better not make mistakes,” Girardi said. “Prince is dangerous because of the power. Miguel is dangerous because he has power to all fields. That right porch is short, and we’ve seen him use it many times. I’ve seen him use it when I managed him in 2006 and the stadium in Florida wasn’t a short porch. You have to be careful with both of them. There are a lot of guys in that lineup that, if you don’t make your pitches, they’re going to put big numbers up on you.”

Of course, the Tigers biggest weapon is the guy starting tonight’s series opener. Justin Verlander beat the Rangers in his last start, and he pitched at least eight innings each of his three starts before that.

“I’m sure we’ve beat him before,” Russell Martin said. “He’s definitely an ace — one of the best in the game, if not the best — but I’ll take our lineup against him any day.”

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132 Responses to “Yankees prepared for Prince and the Tigers”

  1. Melkmanisinhotlanta April 27th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Cashman needs to be fired. Pineda had “issues” in the second half of 2011 duh! It’s almost as if Cashman decided to trade for this defective pitcher to divert attention from his affair and impending divorce. His mind wasn’t clear when he made this trade and he hinted at his uncertainty by claiming that he could be trading away the next Cabrera. Fool! Fire Cashman now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Nova will outpitch Verlander.

    Our Ace is better than theirs.

    :dreamin’ big:

    :)

  3. Melkmanisinhotlanta April 27th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    2012 has been decided: The Rangers are going to the World Series for a third time. Too bad that Montero couldn’t have been part of the new core but it looks like Cashman will ride the old core until it withers off of the vine. New GM please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Benny Blanco April 27th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    This will certainly be fun watching verlander pumping 100MPH fastballs and knee buckling curves past our hitters today.

    I’m preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.

  5. Melkmanisinhotlanta April 27th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    It sure was worth it to trade away a generational hitting prospect for damaged goods visa vis collapse 2nd half of 2011 and to use old players as rotational DH’s. Just get a 40 year old has been to DH instead of a 23 year old? Yes clear minded thinking by cash dope!

  6. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    benny-

    maybe he’ll have an off day.

    ;)

  7. Melkmanisinhotlanta April 27th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Like someone said, maybe the A ball pitcher that came in the deal is the pitcher we need? Sure worth giving up Montero lolo. Total joke of a GM.

  8. Benny Blanco April 27th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    “generational hitting prospect”

    He’s batting 280 something with a total of two homeruns. His bat is not generational. Well not yet at least.

  9. Melkmanisinhotlanta April 27th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Mariners have gotten the better end of the deal period. Very sad but true.

  10. Benny Blanco April 27th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    MTU,

    if nova outpitches verlander I will not be shocked.

  11. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    MTU-

    I answered your very personal question on the last thread.

    Here’s the most recent article on what is used for Dye contrast shoulder arthogram studies. Both Gadolinium and Omnipaque/saline injections have had serious side effects.

    https://www.radiology.wisc.edu/sections/msk/interventional/Shoulder%20arthrogram/index.php

  12. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    During regular season games Gardner, Martin and Jeter have had the most success hitting only singles vs Verlander. Then there’s Pena’s .600 BA

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-verlander

  13. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    YT-

    I bow before your greatness.

    I, on the other hand, only stay at HIE.

    :(

  14. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    .they should never have to trade top 5 overall prospects for things they can get with money……it defeats the whole purpose of development in the first place.

    ——————————-

    They should never trade for something the GM claimed would be a strength when he took full control yrs ago.

  15. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    YT-

    If you got to know those folks I’m extremely envious.

    Especially if you met the great Bob Gibson.

  16. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    MTU-

    No greatness, just experience, like you with your terrific photos and love for the outdoors.

  17. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    YT-

    I hope you realize you’ve just made it lot harder for me to make fun of you.

    That kinda pisses me off.

    :)

  18. Tackelberry April 27th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    and the eternal Montero whining continues. Life goes on boys. Need to get over it now.

  19. Bo knows April 27th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Mariners have gotten the better end of the deal period. Very sad but true.

    ————————–

    You are a sad piece of trash, aren’t you. The Yankee fans are in tough shape and you keep piling on. No joy living in your skin.

  20. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    MTU-

    Don’t ever stop. I enjoy the banter.

    And remember, you’re never too old to learn something stupid! :)

  21. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    MTU-

    One thing I learned on this blog. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  22. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    YT-

    Now that you have finally come clean I have another question for ya’

    A while back I asked you for you e-mail address ?

    You seemed to side step it.

    One of my main reasons was because I wanted to send you a gift (no not a letter bomb).

    I have done so for various posters.

    I consider you a friend.

    My offer is open at any time should you change your mind.

    Hint: You’ll really like it.

    ;)

  23. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    YT-

    Then why do you persist in debating things with me ?

    I’m only trying to drag you down to my level Doc.

    ;)

  24. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Time to walk the Pupperazzi.

    They want to take some photos too !

    ;)

  25. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    MTU-

    I’d send you my e-mail, but then I’d have to have GB7 track you down while you’re on one of your hikes in Zion National Park.

    Who said anything about me being a Doc?

    I told you yesterday: To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research. I do the research.

  26. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Tackelberry April 27th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    and the eternal Montero whining continues. Life goes on boys. Need to get over it now.

    —————————–

    We can always look forward to Campos

  27. Bo knows April 27th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Well, let’s hope most of the violent catharsis has passed.

  28. Tackelberry April 27th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    SHOULDA TRADED TEX AND SIGNED PRINCE! ANOTHER CASHMAN BLUNDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  29. PittsburghYankeeFan April 27th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    YT: I am not from USF, but Pittsburgh, like my name. The USF article is pretty good, and not bad for a kid’s honors thesis.

    There are basically no real risks from a gadolinium arthroscopy.

    James Andrews is also right–you can’t diagnose a labral tear from a normal MRI. It is also sometimes hard to diagnose from a dye study MRI–no wonder Fern Cuza asked for another opinion.

    If the M’s did indeed tell Pineda to shut it down over the winter, and given their experience with labral tears in other pitchers, I now am even more suspicious that they had an inkling about this. Whether it was documented or not, that’s an open question.

    Given Pineda’s hesitancy to let everyone know he was pitching with shoulder pain back in March, don’t you think he was sensitive to the issue already? And exactly who made him sensitive? Someone during the winter, or before?

    Not sure there are labral tear shoulder experts in the Dominican. So again, that leaves before.

    Call me crazy, but this just may be heading to a hearing with Bud, the player, and his agent. Not sure what’s to come of it.

    I’ll ask just one question, to clarify: if the shoe was on the other foot, and the Yankees traded Dellin Betances for Justin Upton (I know, ridiculous, but bear with me), and Betances shows up in ST with decreased velocity and then a labral tear, don’t you think the rest of MLB would be screaming bloody murder and asking for the trade to be rescinded?

  30. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Got to go also.

    Have a great day all. Until later.

  31. jacksquat April 27th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    My guess reading between all of the lines is that Micheal Pineda was brought up to the bigs a bit early by Seattle before his delivery could be completely fine tuned (as Randy L and others have mentioned). Violent delivery + perhaps not the greatest conditioning (note this spring training) + lots of innings prior to the ASB = some shoulder weakness and perhaps a bit of velocity loss (despite what Cashman et al are saying).

    There was minor, gradual velocity loss in 2011, not anything that couldn’t easily be because of a young pitcher getting tired as he approached and passed his previous workload.

    However, when a guy who usually throws 96-98 starts ST throwing 90-92, something is up, and was up, prior to him showing up. There is no way to spin this differently. Did Pineda even pick up a ball in the offseason? I remember talk that he didn’t. If your shoulder was hurting when you threw too hard, you wouldn’t pick up a ball either.

    Lots of pitchers start spring training not at full velocity. In fact it may be a smart thing to do, if you haven’t played winter ball and you haven’t worked your way up to full speed with extensive offseason throwing. So yeah, he certainly did not have to be injured prior to spring training.

    The real question (I hate to be corny) is what did Seattle know, and when did they know it? Sorry, Compass Rosy–something fishy is going on here. Why get rid of your #2 so quickly, and offer him to both the Jays and the Yankees?

    Nothing fishy has to have been going on at all. Are you saying it’s highly unusual for a team that had the most anemic offense in the game would look to trade pitching for hitting, when they have at least what they consider excellent pitching depth in the minors?

    Selig nullified a trade in 2003 due to an undiagnosed labrum tear (it’s in the Slate article). Does he have the balls to do it again, especially when it would favor the Yankees?

    ROFL

    Seems a lot of people spin things so that they can be right, or their buddies can be right, or they can criticize people in the org like Cashman who they already previously disliked, rather than take an objective approach and consider all possibilities.

  32. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    OH OH

    Delmon Young, Detroit Tigers outfielder, arrested for assault outside New York hotel
    Slugger was drunk and pounded man, police said

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1068508

  33. Bo knows April 27th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    SHOULDA TRADED TEX AND SIGNED PRINCE! ANOTHER CASHMAN BLUNDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ——————–
    I’ve actually seen signs of a normal Teix. He stroked a line single to left the other day and of course there was the Boston HR. A glimmer for sure.

  34. PittsburghYankeeFan April 27th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Tackleberry: I’m certainly not a Montero whiner. I thought the trade was bold and a good one.

    What is starting to concern me is that the M’s may have potentially knowingly sold the Yankees damaged goods in a manner that was nearly impossible to figure out beforehand.

    Slick, yes. Ethical? If this is true, that’s an open question.

    The M’s are owned by Nintendo. I think the Japanese don’t go for this sort of thing, if true.

    This has yet to play itself out completely. The condition of the shoulder at surgery could potentially tell a lot about how long the injury has been present.

  35. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Pittsburgh-

    Your early morning post was very good and raised a lot of questions from the excellent research you put into it.

    BTW, Gadolinium is a metal and can cause a Nephrotic type of syndrome and shut down the kidneys, especially in someone with underlying kidney disease.

    The Mariners have had experience with Gil Meche and another hot prospect with glenoid labral tears. I suspect that the Mariners might have feared that one day Pineda would be a prime candidate to suffer such an injury, and knowing they had at least two other prime pitching prospects in the minors and needed batting help, were only too glad to make the trade.

    My question is whether Pineda was not forthright with the Yankees when he started to pitch in ST, since the only offseason workout he had, according to Nick of SF, was lifting a fork a few thousand times. Was Pineda afraid to speak up that he felt something was wrong when he didn’t have the velocity, after a few weeks in ST?

    You posted some very interesting scenarios. I don’t however think there’s any chance this trade will be overturned.

  36. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Pittsburgh-

    I was going to go, but will await your response.

  37. jacksquat April 27th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    At most, I think the Mariners could have had suspicions. I don’t think they told him to “shut it down” in the offseason, most pitchers don’t throw a lot or even at all until spring training gets close.

    And there is zero chance imo Selig reverses the trade. He hates the Yankees, I think that has become pretty obvious over the years. He would only do something in their favor if it was clearly obvious that he must, like some irrefutable evidence surfaced that the Mariners knew something.

  38. PittsburghYankeeFan April 27th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Jacksquat: I said it once, I’ll say it again. I liked the trade, I like Cashman. I think from the Yankees standpoint this was done in good faith.

    What I will not say is that this magically happened last week.

    Sure, guys come to ST not throwing as hard as they can. But (1) scouts noticed it from day 1, (2) the velocity never came back, even late in ST, and (3) the velocity drop with intermittent shoulder pain (which Pineda had from week 2-3 in ST) is the primary symptom of a SLAP tear of the labrum.

    From the above it is a reasonable conclusion (perhaps wrong) that this was present (or at least close) before Pineda was traded.

    What is the probability of the “other possibilities” that you briefly mention? That from 4 starts in ST and a rehab start his shoulder magically popped from overwork? ROFL back.

  39. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Have to go now for real.

    Have a great day.

  40. PittsburghYankeeFan April 27th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Jacksquat and YT

    I fully agree that Bud will never overturn this, given his Yankee hate.

    I also agree that there had to have been some suspicion, and the M’s played it as smart as they could. There will be no smoking gun of irrefutable evidence.

    Can’t blame Cashman and the Yankees–you don’t see this on normal testing, and they thought it was normal rookie fatigue.

    The only hope is that Nintendo doesn’t want to lose face over this. It’s a long shot, and I doubt it. I hope modern medicine and shoulder repair has advanced to where we can look back at “Micheal Pineda” surgery when he has a full recovery and is throwing 96 again.

  41. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    From the above it is a reasonable conclusion (perhaps wrong) that this was present (or at least close) before Pineda was traded.

    ———————-

    Didn’t ppl always praise Billy Beane for trading pitchers before they were going to break down or trend in the wrong direction. Can any of us sit here and say for a fact that MP was damaged goods? No, but could the Ms have thought to themselves given his delivery and pitching repertoire at some point MP was going to have issues? Sure, it’s not crazy to think that.

  42. PittsburghYankeeFan April 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Against All Odds: Nice name, since I am currently at the Wynn in Vegas.

    I agree, but doesn’t this go a bit beyond that? The more I see, the more I think he had a partial tear (or pretty close) last season. Isn’t that a bit different from someone thinking that perhaps in the intermediate to long term that someone will break down? Especially in an organization with a very recent history of labral tears in young pitchers?

  43. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    PittsburghYankeeFan April 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Against All Odds: Nice name, since I am currently at the Wynn in Vegas.

    I agree, but doesn’t this go a bit beyond that? The more I see, the more I think he had a partial tear (or pretty close) last season. Isn’t that a bit different from someone thinking that perhaps in the intermediate to long term that someone will break down? Especially in an organization with a very recent history of labral tears in young pitchers?

    ————————-

    He could have had a partial tear last season of course there is no way to know for sure and with Cashman saying it happened in the rehab it took everyone off the hook. I will say though that it happening on the last pitch seems like a stretch to me.

  44. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    YT-

    Now you really have me confused.

    You’re a medical researcher but you got to meet and help Gibson, Sutter, etc. ?

    OK not a medical Dr.

    A PhD. perhaps ? A physical therapist ?

    Anyway, no need to be mysterious about it.

    Have a good day.

    ;)

  45. jacksquat April 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    PYF, my “ROFL” was at the prospect of Selig reversing the trade, not you entire post. I guess I should have made that more clear.

  46. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    AAO-

    “I will say though that it happening on the last pitch seems like a stretch to me.”

    It was. It was from a full windup.

    :)

  47. jacksquat April 27th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Most of the tear had to happen the last time he pitched, because you can’t throw with a significant tear of the labrum, certainly not 90+ mph. There could have been some damage earlier, sure, probably was, the only question is when it started.

    It could have started last year, but it could have just as likely started after Pineda came into camp out of shape, maybe with zero preseason preparation, and then tried to get after it, especially after all the media attention to his velocity and then even Yankee management wondering where it was.

  48. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    PYF-

    My bro-in-law is a pit boss at Mandalay Bay.

    :)

  49. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    MTU April 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    AAO-

    “I will say though that it happening on the last pitch seems like a stretch to me.”

    It was. It was from a full windup.

    :)

    ———————–

    I’ll give you this you always know how to lighten the mood.

  50. MTU April 27th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    AAO-

    IMO laughing beats crying and saves a precious desert resource all at the same time.

    ;)

  51. DONNYBROOK April 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Why would Bud even consider reversing the Montero trade, when Cashman himself claims he was NOT sold damaged goods??? Cashman is the best witness Jack Z has. Once again, Cashman needs to shut the hell up, and realize he got “played” once again.
    Impossible to get “jazzed” about Detroit or Verlander or Fielder, in April. What’s going on now, issa dress rehersal with a star, (Pettitte) on hiatus. The stand-in, (Freddy Garcia) simply can’t handle the lines.

  52. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Didn’t ppl always praise Billy Beane for trading pitchers before they were going to break down or trend in the wrong direction. Can any of us sit here and say for a fact that MP was damaged goods? No, but could the Ms have thought to themselves given his delivery and pitching repertoire at some point MP was going to have issues? Sure, it’s not crazy to think that.
    _____
    What is crazy is to think that the Yankees accepted such risk here, especially with the red flags all over the place.

    The Raissman article YT linked was very interesting and apt, I thought. And MTU you nailed it about the “favored politician.” No media person/Yankee beat writer either questioned what was a very controversial deal in the first place or criticized Cashman in this aftermath. Very curious and telling.

  53. 86w183 April 27th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I would love to be able to grill Pineda on what if anything he said to Mariners officials about his arm. If he gave them any indication of a problem and they didn’t share it with the Yanks that would be a problem.

    I’m just stunned Cashman has publicly cleared the Mariners of any possible wrongdoing.

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Drive-by because I didn’t get time to catch up on all the posts. But I did see this one from my dear friend MTU:

    “Some of our commenters were all over not making this trade.

    I compliment them and give them credit.

    Me. I was a fence-sitter and expected it to take years to decide the merits.”

    I do want to say, as I have said before, that I think the trade was the right move. There was as much chance that Pineda would not have injuries as there was he would have injuries. In other words, there was no way to tell, and lack of velocity is just not enough for a red flag, when it’s known someone has had a lot of extra innings. Again I harken to Alexi Ogando, who is absolutely fine after having gone through the same kinds of things. Had we traded for Ogando, nobody would be saying boo at this moment, other than people who just didn’t like the trade at all, not because of potential pitching problems.

    I think it was the right move for the needs and design of the organization (the typical reason for making trades) and am hoping/hopeful that in the end, Pineda will be able to show that he was worth trading for. I’ve always thought that Montero would end up being a monster hitter. That hasn’t changed. But it wasn’t enough for me to believe the trade was the wrong decision, once I was able to put all the pieces together.

    While Pineda certainly doesn’t solve the current pitching problems we have, his getting back to good health will help us in the future. Without top-rate starting pitching, this team goes nowhere.

  55. darbodla April 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    DONNYBROOK April 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Cashman needs to shut the hell up, and realize he got “played” once again.

    What a ridiculous statement. Pineda’s injury was a fluke, it happens all the time. Almost ever baseball professional, scouts, GM’s etc, check ESPN article in New York section, thought the Yankees made a very good deal. Young, great arms like Pineda has do not come along that often and the Yankees certainly don’t do a good job developing many. Montero has potential, you have to give to get and pitching is more important. There was no room on this team for him. The DH has to be available to older players with long term contracts. We have Martin and depth at catcher and after seeing Montero for years the Yankees had doubts.

  56. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “I’m just stunned Cashman has publicly cleared the Mariners of any possible wrongdoing.”
    _______
    But if our doctors didn’t find anything than how can we claim otherwise. Maybe the Yankees should do more thorough physicals or maybe they just blindly accepted the risk because they were so head over heels over getting Pineda.

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock April 27th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Instead of clearing Seattle of all knowledge/culpability, Cashman and the Yankees should be poking around to see if they can turn up any evidence that this happened before he pulled the trigger on this deal. Sure, it’s remote that they’d find something tangible or that would stick, even if Seattle was disingenuous, but if they could produce something that would indicate damaged goods, MLB would have to at least look into it, wouldn’t they?

    Of course, they could be poking around any way, despite Cashman’s remarks. But it sort of defuses the possibility, that he’s already gone on record to get Seattle off the hook.

  58. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    MTU April 27th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    AAO-

    IMO laughing beats crying and saves a precious desert resource all at the same time.

    ;)

    ——————————-

    Lol

  59. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Our pitching situation would have been fine had we trusted Noesi, plus Phelps and DJ to fill in. Let’s face it, the Yankees wanted the power arm and accepted the risk in spite of the injury matrix.

  60. 86w183 April 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    There were not “red flags all over the place” regarding Pineda. It’s not unusual for a rookie at any position to have a tougher 2nd half of the season.

    Pineda had three bad starts in mid July, but his final eight starts saw him pitch to a 3.99 ERA with 50 K in 47 1/3 innings.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock April 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    yankeefem – Oh woe is us! CC, Nova, Kuroda and Pettitte! How can we possibly get anyone out with that front four?

  62. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    *Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwn*

    Morning folks. Funny how much easier it is to recover from a hangover when your team comes off a win :)

    No baseball last night but that’s okay because I’m on a hockey break until Sunday. Tonight I can finally enjoy a baseball game in peace, anxiety free.

  63. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    The weather in the Bronx will be similar to that at the SWB game, 20mph winds and it’ll feel like 47 at first pitch.

  64. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Shame, congrats.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “No media person/Yankee beat writer either questioned what was a very controversial deal in the first place or criticized Cashman in this aftermath”

    Again I apologize for just picking certain things that are getting my attention without having had the opportunity to go through all of the posts, but today does not allow for it. So if I end up taking things out of context – something I really don’t like done to me – I apologize.

    All I want to say about the above is that what you are calling a very controversial deal many people called a steal for the Yankees.

    And I will say again about the media, when someone else made the same kind of comment about Cashman’s treatment by the media, it is possible that the media did NOT consider this a controversial deal and it is also possible that the media does not consider Cashman to blame for the way this ended up. That would be as possible a conclusion in this as the other is.

    If things come out and it looks like there should be heavy blame assessed, then I will certainly be ready to change my perspective. But for now, I just don’t see it.

    If this is just one bigt unfortunate accident, then it is. If it isn’t, and things should have been done differently, then I’d like to know about that too. But my history on lohud is never to accept anything based on a groundswell of emotion.

    But I’m also willing to change my opinion if something comes out to show I should. And so I wait.

    *********

    Again, if I’ve missed anything critical that I should have read, I apologize. The best I have today is a very cursory glean :) but I did want to check out what was happening.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock April 27th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I agree with MTU, on the “favored politician” observation.

    I thought the custodian of this blog wrote a decidedly favorable take on this trade, even with Pineda scheduled for shoulder surgery. That I must call into question, as I do the media’s willingness to go along for the ride.

    Thank you, btw, Trader for posting that article, and for the research you’ve shared here on surgical technology. Good contributions from Pittsburgh also, with the Seattle track record stuff.

  67. Benny Blanco April 27th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    who are you guys kidding? Noesi is 1-2 with a 8.83 era. If he was perfoming like this with the yankees you all would’ve been killing him calling him a bust.

    You all flip flop more than John kerry. LOL

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    “Pineda’s injury was a fluke, it happens all the time. Almost ever baseball professional, scouts, GM’s etc, check ESPN article in New York section, thought the Yankees made a very good deal.”

    Definitely what I remember in terms of the reaction to the trade. The general feeling was that the Yankees had pulled off something big.

  69. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Didn’t ppl always praise Billy Beane for trading pitchers before they were going to break down or trend in the wrong direction. Can any of us sit here and say for a fact that MP was damaged goods? No, but could the Ms have thought to themselves given his delivery and pitching repertoire at some point MP was going to have issues? Sure, it’s not crazy to think that.
    _____
    What is crazy is to think that the Yankees accepted such risk here, especially with the red flags all over the place.

    ————————-

    Someone asked me a similar question on another board back in March and this was my response:

    Duped maybe not Jack Z knew a couple of things 1) Cash wanted to vastly improve the rotation, 2) he had no problem giving up Montero, 3) Pineda fit the needs Cashman was looking for(cheap, flame thrower under control for 5 seasons) 4) Brian was obsessed with getting Felix so he knew he would try more than once to get acquire him, and 5) no matter how outrageous the M’s have been over the yrs: wanting Hughes for Washburn and then next yr wanting Ajax for Washburn Cashman never cut them off completely. Think about it even after the Lee fiasco he was still trying to trade for Felix months later . In a way Jack used Brian’s desire to strengthen the rotation against him. If you know for a fact someone has no problem giving up their big chip and after failed attempts at getting your prized possession how hard would it be to steer them toward another possession that isn’t as great(due to being a rookie) but could be one day. From Cashman’s point of view it’s a win because Pineda costs less in money and prospects. But the risk comes with some question marks based on how he finished last season and moving to a market like NY.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock April 27th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:03 am
    The weather in the Bronx will be similar to that at the SWB game, 20mph winds and it’ll feel like 47 at first pitch.
    ///

    I know. Not great conditions for Betances, nor the Vato. We have had a habit, of late, of forcing Verlander to throw more pitches than even he’s comfortable with, so may that trend continue. I’ll be listening to the latter part of game on radio on the drive home. Leaving the “Empire Yankees” game as soon as Dellin is pulled.

  71. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Benny, not flip flopping. Same opinion I have always had. I would have been happy with CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pettitte fronting my rotation. Noesi, Phelps, DJ, Freddy at back-end. Montero still with the club. Same as I have always said.

  72. Hassey April 27th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Cashman is now Fredo?

  73. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    “Let’s face it, the Yankees wanted the power arm and accepted the risk in spite of the injury matrix.”

    Yeah I think the part that people seem to overlook is that while Montero could get injured as well, there is a much higher chance of young pitchers succumbing to injury than young position players and in many cases when the pitchers get injured it keeps them out for longer periods of time.

    So, no.. no one could predict Pineda getting injured, but if you check this blog from the day of the trade there were plenty of people accurately assessing that as the biggest risk well before we knew he had any velo issues.

  74. DONNYBROOK April 27th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Again, Cashman should Shut Up and move on. He is doing Hal no favors by telling the press whatever the Yankee Drs told the Yankees upon their intial examination of Pineda. The 1st thing a lawyer tells a client, is to say NOTHING to the press. Cashman continues to be a public relations nightmare for the Yankees Both on and Off the field.

  75. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    I’m just stunned Cashman has publicly cleared the Mariners of any possible wrongdoing.

    —————————–

    He has an obsession for Felix and he probably still wants to acquire him one day. All joking aside when Cash gets fixated on a player he won’t stop until he gets him. It doesn’t matter how many yrs pass.

  76. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    fem – Thanks, much appreciated. I hope to give the Flyers some pay back for you.

    I know most of the country is having a hard time deciding between the cesspools of Jersey and Philly but I hope your loyalties lie with us ;) Its going to be a really nasty series.

  77. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Shame, I am rooting for you by default at least against the Flyers. As for the Cup, I will root for anyone who comes out of the West. ;) :mrgreen:

  78. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “He has an obsession for Felix and he probably still wants to acquire him one day. All joking aside when Cash gets fixated on a player he won’t stop until he gets him. It doesn’t matter how many yrs pass.”

    Russell Martin!

    I still don’t get where Felix’s $20 million a year fits in….

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “Benny, not flip flopping. Same opinion I have always had. I would have been happy with CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pettitte fronting my rotation. Noesi, Phelps, DJ, Freddy at back-end. Montero still with the club. Same as I have always said.”

    But YF, we had no idea Pettite was coming back until well after the deal was made.

  80. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Odds, QFT about Cash and fixations.

  81. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Pruf, RE: wind. I am almost tempted to sit in the Club area with the heated lounge at LHV. Man, that wind is a-howling. I think right now at 25 mph; the drive won’t be fun. I am re-thinking going anywhere…

  82. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    trisha, I still wouldn’t have made the deal, but no use rehashing the reasons ad nauseum.

  83. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Fem – Understandable!!

    I’m really hoping we meet the Rangers in the Conference finals. It’d be the first time since ’94, I think. It’d be really great for the metro-area. Hockey never gets enough love around here. If we have to play the Rangers to grab a couple back pages I’m all for it!

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    And it just goes to show the diversity of opinion and how we really can’t know things until they happen.

    In 2008 who would have thought that bringing up Hughes and Kennedy would blow up in our faces? I don’t care how much confidence you have, until the kids are brought up and tested out, you don’t know how they’re going to turn out.

    I’m all for leaving the kids in the lower levels until they have had more than ample opportunity to put all the innings on their arms that they need. History with the Yankees shows me that’s the way to go.

    We might now be in another desperation situation where we have to pull a kid who isn’t necessarily ready to be a starter. I pray that doesn’t happen.

  85. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Andy is an asshole. This is all his fault.

  86. Benny Blanco April 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    Benny, not flip flopping. Same opinion I have always had. I would have been happy with CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pettitte fronting my rotation. Noesi, Phelps, DJ, Freddy at back-end. Montero still with the club. Same as I have always said.

    =======================

    I understand. My problem is with people that act like both noesi and montero are killing it right now And they’re not. I admire them both and I’m sorry their gone. I’m also sorry that pineda is hurt but we have to move on and deal with the current situation. It’s not you, it’s just the blog has been unbearable the last 4 months. I understand that montero is a tremendous talent but what’s done is done.

  87. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “He has an obsession for Felix and he probably still wants to acquire him one day. All joking aside when Cash gets fixated on a player he won’t stop until he gets him. It doesn’t matter how many yrs pass.”

    Russell Martin!

    I still don’t get where Felix’s $20 million a year fits in….

    ————————-

    I don’t either especially if you he was willing to empty his farm for him. What did he offer Dellin, Manny, Montero, and someone else right and then he was going to pay 20 million a yr on top of that. Is the 189 million a yr real or just talk. Would getting Felix mean no 10 million for Kuroda and Grandy doesn’t get resigned?

  88. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Shame, I wish I had more enthusiasm for it all. Unfortunately, I do not. However, I may peek in here and there, but honestly right now, all I can do is follow the Baby Pens in their playoff series and look forward to Malkin playing in the World Championships… :(

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “trisha, I still wouldn’t have made the deal, but no use rehashing the reasons ad nauseum.”

    YF – and I absolutely respect that.

    I guess I’m trying to point out that there are a lot of ways to look at it. I didn’t want the deal but thought it was the right thing after I had time to think about it. There is definitely not universality of opinion on this – nor does there need to be, right?

  90. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    In 2008 who would have thought that bringing up Hughes and Kennedy would blow up in our faces?

    ———————–

    A number of ppl. Breaking in one kid is hard but breaking in two while playing for the Yankees is harder.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    “Andy is an asshole. This is all his fault.”

    :lol:

    I have to tell you that I was miffed on some level when he swooped in and changed the entire complexion of the rotation by merely announcing his presence. But I am now nothing but relieved.

    :)

  92. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    “We might now be in another desperation situation where we have to pull a kid who isn’t necessarily ready to be a starter.”

    But…. isn’t that the type of pitcher we traded for?

    I’m not trying to downplay Pineda’s success last season, either. But there is a big cohort of fans and posters that (rightly so, IMO) believe the AL East is a different animal completely.

    Then again, I’m not even sure Hughes is ready to be a starter ;)

    I think this is just one of those things that people will never see eye to eye on, and I think it revolves around expectations. Felix, Halladay, and Lee were the names thrown around with Montero’s in trade talks… not a guy who hasn’t even completed his sophomore season. If people are upset with the Yanks for moving the guy for less than the elite pitcher they claimed they wanted, they really only have themselves to blame for that – they were the ones that set the expectations.

  93. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Odds, might as well have allocated the money for Yu… and kept Montero…

    Trisha, Hughes and IPK (and Joba) blew up in our faces because we had no idea what we were doing and went on a let’s infuse young pitching binge. Had we more methodically and wisely worked the kids in instead of bringing all of them up at once, we might have had better success.

  94. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Odds, exactly. I was posting the same.

  95. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    “I have to tell you that I was miffed on some level when he swooped in and changed the entire complexion of the rotation by merely announcing his presence. But I am now nothing but relieved.”

    Oh I’m 100% on board. Even though I’m now perpetually annoyed by Andy I knew what a weapon he’d be. He really sures up the rotation. But this whole thing, from Lee to Pineda….. its Andy’s fault.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    “A number of ppl. Breaking in one kid is hard but breaking in two while playing for the Yankees is harder.”

    Well I don’t remember any hue and cry when it happened. And it was one of those unfortunate things where it happened out of total necessity and not out of team stupidity. But it was horror show.

    There’s a price to pay when you rush a player up. Pineda is paying it big time (and so are we unfortunately), Texas is luckier with Ogando – at least at this point in time.

  97. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    trisha, agree.

  98. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Odds, might as well have allocated the money for Yu… and kept Montero…

    ————————

    Could have done that but apparently the Igawa move gave them some cause for concern.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    “But this whole thing, from Lee to Pineda….. its Andy’s fault.”

    I don’t want to make excuses for him. He thought he was through with baseball.

    But yeah, he did cause all of this.

  100. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    I was thrilled Andy was coming back, and expect him to seamlessly fit in and be the Andy on the mound that we know and love. :)

  101. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Odds, how does Igawa in any way, shape or form compare to Yu except that they both have some Japanese blood? I understand they didn’t want to spend the exorbitant amount, but to make the comparison based on ethnicity, well I have never gotten that. Different pitchers, different physical beings, different ceilings…

  102. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Well I don’t remember any hue and cry when it happened. And it was one of those unfortunate things where it happened out of total necessity and not out of team stupidity. But it was horror show.

    ——————–

    Yea it was pretty bad.

    In a way it was team stupid though. They banked an 08 season on 3 guys with limited experience of this level. Joba pitched 20 innings the yr before, Kennedy won a couple of games in September, and Hughes missed most of the yr but turned it on in September. They foolishly thought these guys are going to lead us not taking into the pit falls that many young players have.

  103. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “I understand. My problem is with people that act like both noesi and montero are killing it right now And they’re not. I admire them both and I’m sorry their gone. I’m also sorry that pineda is hurt but we have to move on and deal with the current situation”

    This is the trade right now and why it doesn’t matter if Noesi and Montero are lighting it up:

    Gained ~4 years of service from Pineda

    vs.

    Lost 6 years of service from Montero and Noesi

    How many years do we have control over Campos?

  104. LGY April 27th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    We have Martin and depth at catcher and after seeing Montero for years the Yankees had doubts.

    ———-

    What catching depth do the Yankees have?

  105. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Trisha, I think it happened not out of necessity or stupidity but ignorance. I hope at some point we learn something about young pitching.

  106. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Depth at catcher when? In 3 years?

  107. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    “But this whole thing, from Lee to Pineda….. its Andy’s fault.”

    I don’t want to make excuses for him. He thought he was through with baseball.

    But yeah, he did cause all of this.

    :lol: !!!!!!

  108. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Odds, how does Igawa in any way, shape or form compare to Yu except that they both have some Japanese blood? I understand they didn’t want to spend the exorbitant amount, but to make the comparison based on ethnicity, well I have never gotten that. Different pitchers, different physical beings, different ceilings…

    ——————————

    Listen to the Cashman interview from a while back. He let it be known that whether it was Yu or Cespedes the Igawa move played a role when it came to acquiring foreign talent. It’s not the main reason but it’s a factor. He also said the money involved and how their numbers transition to MLB is a factor as well.

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    The one that will continue to stick in my craw is Joba. I believe the organization really dropped the ball on that kid, partly because it failed to recognize that he had needs that transcended the basic baseball stuff, and they left him on his own without any kind of guidance or counseling. I also believe that Eiland favored Hughes (for all the good it did Hughes) and left Joba out to dry. And Joba’s a big kid who probably believes everything he’s told, and so he just went along with the program. He probably still does. All that talent, and they managed to totally screw it up.

    I wish I could erase the memory of Joba and the midges, and the kid telling the press it was his responsibility to get the outs, when he should have been immediately taken out that situation. I think about it and I get emotional. He needed protection and was thrown to the wolves.

  110. LGY April 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Still a long way off but with Pineda possibly dead, it looks like the Yankees will enter the 2013 winter in a very similar way the Red Sox did this past one.

    Need to fill 2-3 rotation spots, RF, DH, C, and possibly Closer. With 189 looming that’s not an encouraging situation.

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Against, wasn’t one of them brought up when Karstens broke his leg in the first game, something like that? I think one was definitely an emergency situation.

    2008 turned out to be the year that the Yankees broke the record for starting pitchers in one season.

  112. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    2008 turned out to be the year that the Yankees broke the record for starting pitchers in one season.

    Was that the year of Shawn Chacon and Brad Halsey?

  113. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    LGY April 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Still a long way off but with Pineda possibly dead, it looks like the Yankees will enter the 2013 winter in a very similar way the Red Sox did this past one.

    Need to fill 2-3 rotation spots

    This is the part that really grosses me out… I know most teams are always going to be looking for rotation help in the off season but this has become some sort of sick carousel ride we find ourselves on every year.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    “Need to fill 2-3 rotation spots, RF, DH, C, and possibly Closer.”

    If they don’t mess with our kids, it’s possible that the rotation spots can be filled from down below. DH is not going to be filled, especially with Jeter and Arod one year older, so it will be bench players again.

    YF – what are the chances that Dewayne Wise could be shifted over to right and brought up? I know you’re a lot more familiar with the kids down below than I. But he sure looked good to me.

  115. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Well Karstens stuffed the leg injury in 07 and Hughes was called up a few days before that happened. They did a disservice by starting both kids in the rotation in 08 with no back up plan. It wasn’t like Hughes was the number 5 guy and IPK is the longman no they decide Hughes is the number 3 and Kennedy is the number 4. WTF in NY no less.

  116. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    trisha, they have filled in before with older pitchers, see Lieber, Chacon, etc. but they decided to plug in youth. It wasn’t necessary but it was sexy and exciting at the time, but perhaps naive. Just too much too soon and with unfinished products who had pitch limitations. Hopefully, the Killer B’s are the beneficiaries of that knowledge and will get all the innings they need. On the other hand, if we hadn’t been gun shy with the more ready Phelps and DJ’s of the world and/or underrated them, maybe we could have waited to make a trade of this magnitude. Or saved the “trade chip” for a more established pitcher… Hard to say.

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    “Was that the year of Shawn Chacon and Brad Halsey?”

    Think Chacon might have been earlier and don’t even remember Halsey! But it’s possible since there were so many that season!

  118. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    This is the part that really grosses me out… I know most teams are always going to be looking for rotation help in the off season but this has become some sort of sick carousel ride we find ourselves on every year.

    ——————

    True every team needs pitching but as you said I thought by now we would reach the point where we aren’t looking under every rock for a pitcher.

  119. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Except the RS don’t have the pitching depth we have.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    YF – I think a lot of things shifted when the Yankees were getting all the criticism about buying championships, especially in the NY press, and Cashman decided to make an about face and start looking for other options. I don’t remember the exact year it happened but I do remember him saying that the Yankees were going to start to look to using players from within. That could have kicked off a lot of that stuff.

  121. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Wise is essentially an AAAA player; he’d never start for us.

  122. G. Love April 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    This is why the sooner Cashman gets axed the better, guys.

    He has the media in his pocket. They all know that if they go after him on this, they’ll be lucky to get bread crumbs and their editors will badger them with why don’t they ever get the story first.

    You can tell Cashman is well liked by these guys. Maybe not well liked, but there’s an understanding. Don’t go after him on anything. He got a pass on the sordid stuff this off season and he’s getting a pass on his inability to properly GM his team.

    Taking all blame off Seattle immediately was a closed minded stance and the speed in which he did it tells me that he knows he was negligent, didn’t listen to the right voices and screwed up. If the truth comes out that Seattle knew something could be up with the shoulder and Cashman got schooled it would turn him into a eunuch of a GM who would get laughed out of the business.

    Which, by the way, is what I think he really is. He needs to go. Soon. He should not be allowed to handle any other player acquisitions. Especially when it deals with any kind of pitching.

  123. CashmanLovesPsychoHookers April 27th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Prediction for how (according to Cashman & the Yankees on Tuesday evening) the Pineda surgery went.

    “The surgery was successful. In fact, the surgeon said he’d never seen such an easy case as this one was and the tear was not nearly as bad as first feared. Additionally, the muscle is actually better than it was BEFORE the injury. Michael should be back on the mound in 4 to 6 months and ready to pitch for the Yankees in spring training next year! In two years he’ll lifting cars, one-handed… OVER HIS HEAD!”

    “Moreover, we would just like to remind everybody that Michael Pineda was A-Okay right up until he threw that very last pitch in that rehab start… That’s when he got hurt. Ignore the sudden drop in velocity in his final start last year… Ignore the shutting down of him all winter… Ignore the drop in arm angle and all those 89mph fastballs throughout spring training… And most of all please ignore that we had already shut him down in March… He was fine then. We promise. Remember, he was not hurt until that very last pitch of his rehab start.”

    Thanks in advance for the consideration of all the Kool Aid-guzzling sheep in the media and in the stands.
    Brian Cashman
    General Manager, New York Yankees Baseball Club

    PS. If you are still reading this, please see me about a wonderful opportunity to own a peice of the Brooklyn Bridge!

  124. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    The one that will continue to stick in my craw is Joba. I believe the organization really dropped the ball on that kid, partly because it failed to recognize that he had needs that transcended the basic baseball stuff, and they left him on his own without any kind of guidance or counseling. I also believe that Eiland favored Hughes (for all the good it did Hughes) and left Joba out to dry. And Joba’s a big kid who probably believes everything he’s told, and so he just went along with the program. He probably still does. All that talent, and they managed to totally screw it up.

    I wish I could erase the memory of Joba and the midges, and the kid telling the press it was his responsibility to get the outs, when he should have been immediately taken out that situation. I think about it and I get emotional. He needed protection and was thrown to the wolves.

    —————–

    The mistake they made with Joba was trying to serve two masters: he’s a starter but he can relieve too. Plus having him pitch out of the pen in a lost season months after was injured was stupid as well.

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Wonder if Delmon Young plays tonight. He’s really a terror. But a terror with so much talent. The Rays got rid of him because of his temper. I remember Dmitri Young saying that of all the brothers (I think there were three in the game) Delmon was the most talented.

    It’s also the tenth anniversary of the riots in LA (after the Rodney King verdict). I saw some news clippings this morning and I guess I had forgotten just how horrible that was and all the damage that was inflicted (especially with the looting and burning.) Billions of dollars of loss with the businesses alone. And so many people killed. Wow, just awful.

    Okay, my conscience tells me I’ve had enough of a break and it’s back to work.

    Beautiful day here, but windy and cool. I have all the windows open but think I’m going to have to shut them because I’m getting cold!

    Later all.

    :)

  126. yankeefeminista April 27th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Later, trisha.

  127. Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “True every team needs pitching but as you said I thought by now we would reach the point where we aren’t looking under every rock for a pitcher.”

    Yeah its the amount of desperation… do we honestly expect Andy to know if he’s coming back by the end of October? No. So that’s one question mark. Kuroda is on a one year deal. There’s another question mark. Hughes and Garcia…. one or the other likely won’t return, so that may be yet another question mark. That’s three spots we may need to fill (2 almost for certain), and it hinges on Nova not having any setbacks.

  128. DONNYBROOK April 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    It still bugs me that Detroit bam-boozled MLB into allowing them to add Young to their Playoff Roster in spite of the fact he was acquired AFTER the July 31 trade deadline. The Yanks-Got-Shanked by Bud on that one.

  129. Against All Odds April 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Shame Spencer April 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “True every team needs pitching but as you said I thought by now we would reach the point where we aren’t looking under every rock for a pitcher.”

    Yeah its the amount of desperation… do we honestly expect Andy to know if he’s coming back by the end of October? No. So that’s one question mark. Kuroda is on a one year deal. There’s another question mark. Hughes and Garcia…. one or the other likely won’t return, so that may be yet another question mark. That’s three spots we may need to fill (2 almost for certain), and it hinges on Nova not having any setbacks.

    —————–

    It’s asking a lot for Nova not only repeat what he did but also pick up the slack for other slots in the rotation occupied by ppl who are under performing or only here for a 1 at the most. A lot of questions need to be answered.

  130. DONNYBROOK April 27th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Back in the day, Cashman refused to part with either Hughes or Chamberlain inna Johann Santana deal. Now whatta we got? One guy onna trampoline headed to the ER, and the other onna head trip headed to PalookaVille.

  131. CashmanLovesPsychoHookers April 27th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    “Hughes and Garcia…. one or the other likely won’t return, so that may be yet another question mark.”
    ==============================
    Hughes is going to have to improve quite a bit to make it up to “question mark” status.

  132. matzcrorkz August 6th, 2014 at 1:50 am

    EDyCjN Thanks-a-mundo for the article.Really thank you! Fantastic.

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