Postgame notes: Girardi, Nova down on West
Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Misc on Apr 28, 2012 
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For two completely different reasons, Joe Girardi and Ivan Nova weren’t thrilled with Joe West after Friday night’s 7-6 walkoff win over the Tigers.
Girardi didn’t appreciate the combative home plate ump’s decorum in the seventh inning. That’s when Girardi was tossed for the 18th time in his career and 13th time as Yankee manager.
He had hopped from the dugout to argue a called third strike on Russell Martin and kicked some dirt around in an otherwise subdued protest. But West flashed a few smiles and eventually ejected Girardi, who was none too pleased with the way it all unfolded.
“I just didn’t care for the way it went,” Girardi said. “These games are very serious. Every game is serious stuff. That’s how I approach it. You’ve seen too many times where one game costs a team a playoff spot.”
It was West’s strike zone that drew Nova’s ire. The young right-hander felt he threw low strikes that West called balls. He subsequently elevated his pitches and was hit.
The Tigers touched up Nova for six earned runs on 11 hits in 5 1/3 innings. He never quite blamed West, but it clearly had some impact on his command.
“I was trying to put it higher and that’s when I got into trouble,” Nova said. “My fastball especially, if you don’t throw it where you want to throw it you can have a lot of problems. Today, I got hit, but I was feeling pretty good.”
Joe Girardi:
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Ivan Nova:
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• Tight strike zone or not, Nova’s charmed existence on the mound continued. He left down 6-4 and in line for the loss, but the bullpen pitched 3 2/3 scoreless and the offense rallied for three runs. That kept Nova’s winning streak to live another day. He remains unbeaten in his last 20 starts dating to 6/10/11. And he is still just one win shy of tying Roger Clemens’ club record for 16 straight winning decisions.
• Yes, Nova is 3-0, but his ERA ballooned to 5.18 and his WHIP an unsightly 1.68.
• Yankee Stadium continued to vex Justin Verlander, who is now 0-2 with a 4.50 ERA in five starts here. He’s allowed 12 earned runs in 24 innings after surrendering four in six innings tonight. He also surrendered his first home runs of the year to Alex Rodriguez (fourth) and Russell Martin (fifth).
“That’s a real tough lineup to get through,” Jim Leyland said. “I didn’t think he really had his off-speed stuff going well tonight, particularly his changeup. He just didn’t seem to have a real good feel for it tonight, at least that’s the way it looked anyway. He left a couple of fastballs over the plate where you can reach the seats here in right field. They might have been out almost anywhere. It’s a pretty good setup for guys like A-Rod that can hit it out that way, and Derek. He still pitched, obviously, well enough to win.”
Here’s Martin on his team’s apparent hold over one of the game’s best…
Russell Martin:
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• Of course, after scoring off the Detroit bullpen to tie it, the Yankees won by virtue of a wild pitch and a passed ball in the ninth. Derek Jeter said he couldn’t see the ball get passed Alex Avila on the 2-0 pitch to Rodriguez, so he actually retreated back slightly at first. A-Rod then waived him home so Jeter took off. He narrowly beat the throw by Avila to the plate.
“That’s how you win games sometimes,” Jeter said. “You have to be aggressive, but we caught a break.”
Listen to Jeter and A-Rod explain the final play…
Derek Jeter:
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Alex Rodriguez:
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• Lost amid the wild finish was the end of Jeter’s 15-game hitting streak. It ended with an 0-for-4 night that dropped his average 20 points to an even .400.
• The Yanks now have a remarkable seven comebacks out of their 11 wins this season. Their offense has carried them, and had to again tonight. Their starters entered tonight next-to-last in baseball with a 5.73 ERA and 30th with a 1.52 WHIP.
I asked Girardi if living on this edge concerns him.
“You don’t want to fight that battle every night,” he said. “But I think our starting pitching will get better.”
• Player notes: Rodriguez hit his 633rd home run and his 288th as a Yankee. He passed Bernie Williams for sole possession of sixth place in club history, but next is Yogi Berra at 358. … Curtis Granderson reached base safely for his 18th straight game. … Nick Swisher now has 13 extra-base hits after picking up a pair of doubles. He did not have 13 XBHs until 6/14 of last year. … The bullpen’s line was superb: 3.2 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K. It has now held opponents scoreless in seven of its last nine games. … Mariano Rivera earned the win and appeared in his 1,050th game in the process, tying Kent Tekulve for eighth on baseball’s all-time list.
It really is incredible.
The Yanks went from having perhaps the most pitching depth in baseball to one of the worst rotation ERAs in the game.
It’s early, and when Cano and the rotation get rolling…. the Yanks are going to run away with this division.
It’s short lived, I’m sure. ( SP )
on another note, what the hell is up with David Ortiz?
he has never looked this good at the plate. it’s ridiculous.
Whats up with Ortiz? Injections.
Hope you are right Boston Dave… CC and Nova’s Era will get back to where they usually are here in a few starts….
What are people’s thoughts on the Angels start? Wow I did not see that coming…living in DFW I was hoping they would hang in there with the Rangers but my goodness…
i still think maybe at some point they would want Soriano and parts for a starter (Haren) that could help us?
The umpires dictate far too much of who gets the advantage in a game. I can accept bad calls on close plays in the field far more than I can accept lousy strike zones. The media is fixated on instant replays, never mind that it will take a lot of re-writing the rules of the game especially when runners are on base. The larger concern should be the strike zone calling as that affects the batters as well as the pitchers to a much larger extent than close plays ever will.
West is a jerk. A class A jerk who should be retired along with a number of his other buddies who think the game is more about them than it is about those who play the game.
Verlander got a lot of calls going his way. It is a problem that has gotten worse over the last few years. Yet the media only seems to worry about the few calls a game that the umpires get wrong in close plays.
A few hundred pitches with 10 to 15 being called wrong can turn a game on it’s head over the one or two plays a game that might be missed. How is this not a bigger issue with the talking idiot heads? It changed the outcome of the playoff game with CC. It changes the outcome of a lot of games, yet that is one area they don’t ever comment on, even when they know some of these umpires call a crappy strike zone.
Ortiz is benefiting from a slower bat giving more opposite field hits.
Elijah, I agree, if our bullpen continues to thrive while the rotation keep pitching poorly I think we’ll need to entertain a trade.
West really is a jerk. I mostly think umps do a good job of calling the games, but this was the worst called game I’ve seen of the year. .
Old, but a good read. Seems like everyone in baseball is fed up with Joe West.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....west052710
Most major league umpires do a good job of calling the strike zone. There will be some missed calls, but that’s just due to random error of calling over 200 pitches in a typical ballgame. I can accept that.
But then there’s a group of umps who are very bad at their jobs. A lot of times their k-zones play out like systematic errors. Joe West has been bad at his job for as long as I can remember.
I don’t blame Nova’s frustration.
Looks like the Angels are trying to find a spark for its dormant club. Trout is as highly touted as they come. Perhaps he can inject some life into them.
The Yanks second gift win of the season after their first one over Boston last Saturday haha.
Nova gets a pass for being 15-0 in his last 19 (now 20) starts. He was ehhh, it happens, and at least he was that against one of the better offenses which has a pretty lethal 1-2 punch in Cabrera-Fielder who will be scary in a five-game ALDS or any postseason series for that matter.
Thinking realistically, I’m looking for a split of the next two games then a 5-2 or 6-1 feasting on the Orioles and the hapless Royals, although the Royals are kinda dangerous in that they suck so bad all the pressure to win (and sweep) is on the Yanks as KC is so despondent and even one win over the Yanks would be a big moral boost for them.
Good Morning y’all. I had to head to sleep after the 8th inning but this sounds like a fine ending to me.
If only we could have done this last October.
At least we don’t hear any of the whining this year that the Yanks are unable to come back in games they fall behind. That seemed to be a consistent meme on this blog last year.
Good morning.
I could not see the game but it looks like Nova was not at his best, and the umpire sucked.
Glad they pulled out the victory.
It’s a good day when you can beat Justin Verlander.
Tonight let’s wipe the Smyly face off Smyly.
You can’t predict baseball.
Right now our O is better than our SP.
Who would have thunk it ?
MTU,
It was a combo if Joe West being senile and horrible and just that Detroit hit about 10 15 hoppers that found holes…….Ibanez in LF didn’t help either.
Verlander didn’t have his best stuff but the yanks battled him tough……it was a nice win.
MTU-
Talking to yourself again? I put in the request with Chad and when it comes thru I’ll discuss it with you.
Ever-Optimistic-Me isn’t surprised the offense is doing as well as it is. Jeter’s been a huge surprise, but I figured Swisher would have a strong walk year. Teixeira’s shown some encouraging signs, A-Rod still hasn’t fully clicked but at least he’s healthy, and Cano will come around.
Now we just need Pettitte and either Hughes or Garcia to figure it out, or get Mitchell/Phelps into the rotation.
Corey Wade has been surprisingly effective. So much for spring training.
Just saw the replay of the wild pitch that enabled Jeter to go from 1st to 3rd.
Give Joe West an assist-it hit his right ankle and the ball was deflected. Maybe he felt bad for tossing Girardi.
Thanks Blake.
I’ve got a growing faith in Ivan Nova.
He seems to have that AP quality about him. A real competitor.
You cannot teach that.
YT-
Sounds great. I’m looking forward to it.
The bullpen has held teams scorless in 7 of the last 9 games.
Phelps is the only one, I believe, who has been scored upon.
Here’s Verlander’s line against current Yankees, before last night:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-verlander
Obviously Verlander is not an Ace.
He gave up 4 runs.
Even with Pettitte returning, the Yankees might still need one more starter, especially if Garcia continues to falter. Roy Oswalt, if healthy, might be a good Plan B for a return sometime in June.
The Angels, if they want to get back in the race, need a bullpen arm. Would Dan Haren, who is off to a slow start,be available. Throw in Garcia and the monies are close to a match. I don’t think they’d part with Haren but maybe??
He has a club option for 2013.
This year’s team is starting to look like it has that 2009 quality of coming from behind and rarely ever being out of games because of it.
A very good sign.
They’d want DRob for Haren.
Nova would have won the game if there had been a competent umpire behind the plate. In player polls Joe West has consistently been rated the worst umpire in the league. His game calling and stupid comments about teams/managers/players are just related to his constant self-promotion or if his actions are motivated by even less noble causes. One has to wonder if he’s the umpire version of the Black Sox or just has an abnormally small penis
Garcia is ours until the middle of June, unless he agrees to go somewhere else.
Rich-
Forget it !
RadioKev-
That line, BTW, is regular season games. JF schooled me on that a few days ago.
Verlander has a Koufax 12-6 curve and a bionic arm.
I didn’t see most of the middle innings, but Nova wasn’t as bad as the line shows for the first three runs scored off him. Cabrera, the best hitter in baseball, poked one thru the right side, and I believe, Fielder went the opposite way also for a hit, and of course Ibanez played a routine Gardner out on a short fly to left, into a triple.
Rich-
I know the Angels would want someone like DRob for Haren. That’s why the Smiley face, or is it the Smyley face today??
MTU
Especially with Mo probably retiring (and his age).
Phelps and Mitchell will get a shot, and one or both could be pretty good.
YT
Missed that. My bad, just got up.
Rich-
I’d like to know what they can do.
Especially Phelps.
His command is just terrific and the stuff is good.
Mitchell shows promise too.
All of this with West and others who call a terrible game is made possible by Blind Bud Selig who’d rather make behind-the-scene deals with his favorite managers than to do things to bring about desperately-needed improvements to the game. Just the fact that Fatty Ortiz is killing the ball is proof enough that he has been less-than-vigilant about MLB’s congress-forced steroids policy. Every since Ortiz had the full-support of the player’s union in his being able to hide from any accusations of his failed milkshake tests (with Ortiz already having set up plausible deniability by saying he wasn’t sure what was in the milkshakes and whether he could have “accidentally” ingested something illegal) his real estate continued to rise. Coincidence? I think not. The only thing we can wait around for is his fall that will come from the body breakdown of those who abuse steroids.
Interesting that Blind Bud said that the MLB would be taking a look at the use of more instant replays in the off season – but nary a word was heard about that.
I guess the lack of any kind of meaningful or significant complaining about MLB’s shoddy operations is just a microcosm of everything else happening in our society. With a depressed economy, people tend to feel helpless and so they focus their attention on the small things over which they have any control. Unfortunately that atmosphere plays right into the hands of slimeballs like West and Selig. They screw over players and policies unfettered.
AJ had another quality start last night vs the improving offense of the Braves. Tommy Hanson just pitched a little better. He came back from a small rotator cuff tear that occurred last August-no surgery.
My hope for the worst case scenario for Pineda was a (very) small rotator cuff tear.
Trisha-
I didn’t see the entire game. Was Verlander getting the same treatment on balls and strikes?
Garcia is due for a correction. He’s not a 9 something pitcher. I look for him to have a bounce back game. Although I hope the weather has warmed up for game time.
West is typical of umpires who can do as they damn well please with no concern about the ramifications. MLB should view it as a major concern, but it doesn’t.
Nova pitched in some bad luck during the three run inning with four grounders getting through, but he was awful in his last inning and they were hitting rockets.
I didn’t think West was one-sided except when he rang up Martin on an awful pitch… probably retribution for something he said to his royal assness. That’s what got Girardi tossed.
YT, it looked like Verlander was given a wider zone than Nova.
I’ve enclosed a very recent short article on Platelet rich plasma therapy and it’s uses. It might help Pineda in the healing process from his upcoming surgery for what is believed to be a glenoid labrum tear.
It was used, along with stem cells by a surgeon in Miami, on Colon, which rejuvenated his career, and on the knees of Kobe Bryant and A-Rod.
http://www.shoulderdoc.co.uk/a.....ticle=1324
I’m happy Girardi spoke out about the consequences of poor umpiring and the ramifications it can have. Not that it’s going to do any good or change anything, but at least he had the integrity to do it.
I was also happy some reporter drew attention to something I’ve been hammering at ad nauseum when he asked Girardi about the potential effects on the offense of having to continually come back in games to bail out poor pitching. I hope people are at least thinking about the ramifications of that. Yankees are NEXT TO LAST in the majors in SP ERA. The offense – and bullpen – has been doing yeoman’s work in keeping the team’s head well above water. To me, only a true dimwit would be either questioning or taking shots at the Yankees offense while they continue to find ways to win games.
They don’t have the luxury to have the kinds of hits that posters want them to have or to play “small ball” when they are spending their lives bailing out starting pitching. They need to win the game any way they can, and if long-ball is the more immediate answer, then so be it.
Hopefully they’ll catch a break when SP evens out and they are able to start playing differently. In the meantime, be thankful for the offense you have. When you’re third in runs in the majors with an SP ERA next to last, you know you have a potent offense. Put away the microscope and breathe.
YT-
Can’t hurt and it might help.
I say do it !
Trisha-
Good morning.
Spot on !
Trisha-
This article was posted yesterday:
Yanks vying for worst monthly starters’ ERA in a decade
By Larry Koestler
http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ade-67617/
trisha-
that’s also why I said earlier you can’t predict baseball.
I was expecting the SP to be excellent ( it will be) and the O to be more middle of the pack.
Morning, everyone!
MTU, I’m here to pay my promise
jmv-
Great. Lay it on me !
MTU-
Where’s Erin these days? Miss her additions to the Breakfast Club.
YT and MTU – pretty amazing. I too expected our SP to be the real deal. Only Kuroda was a question mark in my mind. I was convinced that Hughes and Freddy were going to be just fine. I still have questions about how much the continuing “competition” may have taken a toll on either or both of them, but in terms of cold hard stats, they’re not panning out. I am hoping that Freddy turns it around today but I don’t know how defeated he feels at this point. Unfortunately the organization hasn’t done much to make either feel warm and fuzzy. All they continued to hear about was fighting for a rotation spot.
I have faith in CC and Nova, hope for Kuroda after his start against Texas, and small hope that Freddy can turn things around. I think Hughes is a lost case at this point and the sooner the Yankees take him out of the rotation and find a way to either fix him or let him go, the better.
Andy can’t return soon enough.
MTU, two weeks and I’m in the air heading your way!!!
YT-
If I had to guess ( which I am) I’d say that she is taking a blogcation due to all the recent negativity.
She’s such a sweetheart. I don’t think she digs that sort of thing.
And you’re right. She is always missed around here as far as I am concerned.
From yesterdays RABs article:
They’ve been striking a ton of men out — second-highest K/9 in the AL, behind Chicago by 0.01 — and walking almost no one. The team’s biggest bugaboo has been the home-run ball. Surprisingly the starters haven’t even given up the most total home runs in the AL, but on a rate basis they’ve been abysmal, with a second-worst-in-MLB 1.73 HR/9, and a 17.3% HR/FB% ranking third-worst. They also have the highest BABIP in the league by a not-small margin, and all three of these figures are way, way above league average.
Nova:
Undeserved ugly line, fro two reasons: he was a BABIP victim (lots of soft grounders that found holes) and was squeezed down in the zone (as posted in the blog). There are things to like, though: he stranded a bizillion runners and kept the ball on the ground. Other than Cabrera and Fielder and a couple of hits, he wasn’t hit well. He got tired in the sixth.
JCPD-
It will be here before you know it.
When on an evening photshoot yesterday with a few friends. Thought of you.
Came out of the place with flashlights.
It was fantastic though.
I’d swear there were a million stars, and the high desert was cool and inviting even at that hour.
Magic.
I predict you will fall in love. Head over heels.
trisha-
Again I find myself in complete agreement.
jmv-
Thank you for taking the time to do that.
You are indeed a man of your word.
I owe ya’ one.
MTU, I’m armed with plenty of cameras, film, digital chips and lenses.
Trisha,
I’m with you. Total faith in CC and Kuroda. The others, not so much, hope they find it soon. And Andy is coming! Good things to come.
JCPD-
You’re gonna need ‘em.
Don’t forget your helmet.
MTU,
No problem, although it seems you already knew all of that stuff about last night, LOL
Also can’t wait for Pettitte to come back. It’ll be nice to add another lefty to the rotation. Little surprised by Sabathia’s start, although his velocity and location seems to be returning. As a Yankee, before this season, his April ERA is 3.30, so April has not been a bad month for him.
Garcia, just seems to be worn out. Maybe he has something physically going on with him. I don’t remember him throwing anything above 84mph his last outing, and he’s been at 88 before.
Nova has terrific stuff. Once he improves his location, he’ll be fine.
Kuroda is a good pitcher. Hoping this streak of one very good game followed by one very bad game ends.
Hughes I don’t understand. Comes to camp in great shape, has everything working for him in ST, and can’t duplicate it in the real games, nor pitch deep into games.
YT-
Hughes has AJ syndrome right now.
Any Predictions what the rotation will be once Andy returns in the middle of May, if Hughes and Garcia don’t improve, and everyone is healthy?
Time to walk the mops.
BIAW
If Andy vets back just close to where he was then I think the front 4 the Yanks have will be pretty solid…..CC and Kuroda will be fine and although Nova’s numbers don’t look all that good Im becoming increasingly confident when he’s on the hill…..I really think he’s going to be a rock in the rotation for several years…..he didn’t get hit hard at all yesterday until the 6th and he just has a mound presence I like…..
The key though is the sudden lack of depth if Garcia or Hughes doesn’t turn things around…..today is a pretty big start for Freddy……he needs to get the train moving back in the right direction……if not then they need to start looking g at Phelps or as Trader has mentioned…..even call Oswalt and see what he’s up to
“MTU April 28th, 2012 at 9:46 am
YT-
Hughes has AJ syndrome right now.”
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
CC
Kuroda
Nova
Andy
Hughes (yes, even if he doesn’t improve. Scary)
MTU-
If Hughes has AJ syndrome then the best thing for him will be to get out of NY and go to Pittsburgh, where Burnett has returned to his Toronto pitching magnificance, before becoming a Yankee.
Nova has the highest BABIP against in MLB so far this season.
Hi, Blake
Yeap. The key is that fifth spot. And the next year we only have CC and Nova all over again
” Nova has the highest BABIP against in MLB so far this season.”
Yea….he’s clearly pitching a lot better than his numbers indicate and so long as he keeps throwing well he’s do for a correction……it was amazing how many balls found holes yesterday ….Ibanez didn’t help him any (get well Gardy)
Hughes doesn’t have AJ syndrome…..actually if he had AJs curveball he wouldn’t be having a problem at all most likely.
That stat is among qualified pitchers.
If you put them minimum at 10 innings pitched, Nova has the fifth highest.
jmv-
Seems that Sabathia, Kuroda, Nova, will anchor the rotation. I’m not convinced Hughes will still be there if he can’t turn it around. Could it be Phelps, the only reliever to give up runs in the bullpen in their last nine games? An untested Mitchell? A trade?
“Yeap. The key is that fifth spot. And the next year we only have CC and Nova all over again”
Hal needs to be a “true yankee” and sign Cole Hamels.
Sabathia is from SoCal as well and everyoneon said he wanted to go back there…..the Yanks wouldn’t take no for an answer because they needed him…..they should quit screwing around and do the same this winter with Hamels.
YT,
Precisely I did spot Hughes in the fifth spot because of the AJ memories… he was left to get bombed every five days for an entire season. It’s the strange Yankke way that I’m scared of. But I wish they give the chance to Phelps, but I think that they won’t do anything fancy until trade deadline if they are around the first place. Now, if the rest of the SP doesn’t get results, I expect Roy’s phone to ring
“blake April 28th, 2012 at 9:57 am
“Yeap. The key is that fifth spot. And the next year we only have CC and Nova all over again”
Hal needs to be a “true yankee” and sign Cole Hamels.”
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Of course! I couldn’t care less about 189
Gosh! I meant *Yankee* way
blake April 28th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Sabathia is from SoCal as well and everyoneon said he wanted to go back there…..the Yanks wouldn’t take no for an answer because they needed him…..they should quit screwing around and do the same this winter with Hamels.
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Sounds good but we all have to take
http://www.wmrhsd.org/WWW_FILE.....budget.jpg
I agree with Blake.
Hughes might be best served going back to AAA, if he is to remain a starter to work on his secondary pitches. I however thought with his preconditioning this offseason and a good ST, that he was ready to contribute. Therefore I’m not sure that he’ll improve with the Traveling SWB Wilburys!
If the Yankees feel that Phelps needs to go down then Hughes might return to the bullpen, and his days as a Yankee starter, might very well be over.
Doesn’t ground ball pitchers have higher BABIP’s? (Real question)
Sabathia, Hamels, Nova, Pineda, Banuelos
“Hughes might be best served going back to AAA”
Yes, please!!!!
“can’t wait for [the season] to end.”
I can’t get past that comment in regards to Hamels.
“blake April 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Sabathia, Hamels, Nova, Pineda, Banuelos”
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+100000000000000
AJ stayed in the rotation because he was a 16.5M/year pitcher. Heaven knows why though-a two pitch pitcher who either couldn’t or wouldn’t trust his CU.
Not sure if we should pencil in Pineda. I’d hate to see them rush him back even if it’s the middle of May.
I’m a proponent of signing Hamels but I don’t see Hal agreeing to that.
blake April 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Sabathia, Hamels, Nova, Pineda, Banuelos
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I’m not at all a negative ninny but that rotation seems like a pipe dream.
I’m going on record, this time officially, that if Cole Hamels doesn’t resign with the Phillies, that he stays in the NL, and goes back to southern California and is signed by the new ownership Dodgers.
His parents still live in San Diego, he has two young sons, 3 and 1 that could easily be uprooted.
Yeah, he’s gone, even if the Phillies win the WS this year!
“AJ stayed in the rotation because he was a 16.5M/year pitcher”
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Good point. But Hughes falls into the “I don´t now what else to do” category
“that rotation seems like a pipe dream”
Yes, but dreaming is for free, LOL. And ten years ago it would come true
AAO,
We have to pencil Pineda. It’s our way to wish him well. Front office? Should get another pitcher, and if Pineda returns strong, even better
Joe West > Gerry Davis
Blake-
I meant in the sense that he doesn’t seem to be carryin pen work out to the mound, and in having the tendency to have innings get away from him of late.
Also, the command isn’t what it should be.
YT,
I also think that Hamels is gone. Too much money commited to Halladay and Lee. And they need bats. Coming to the Yankees? Sadly, I don’t think so. 189
Unless Pineda has a minor tear and the healing process is helped along with platelet rich plasma, he won’t be throwing for 12 months.
Then he has to develop the changeup, learn how to pitch without a high nineties fastball and learn to rework his mechanics. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the beginning of the 2014 season before he’s a starter again, although a 2013 September call-up might happen.
This scenario isn’t at all like Curt Schilling who already knew how to pitch and get hitters out.
That said, I hope I am wrong.
*committed*
Really amazing how bad the Knicks luck is. Can’t believe Chandler has the flu.
And of course, Toney Douglas, is probably the one who passed it to him.
I don’t think Toney Douglas has an assist to Chandler all season yet he successfully passed him the flu.
Will Delmon Young be playing today? He’ll certainly get a warm welcome if he does! Not.
Ant then there was this:
After Washington Capitals forward Joel Ward sent the defending-champion Boston Bruins home for the summer with his overtime goal in Game 7, a number of fans unleashed racial slurs toward Ward following the loss.
Disgusting.
LGY-
Which east team will likely be in the finals? Miami? Chicago?
*And*
Have to go soon. As always I enjoy the Breakfast club posts.
Joe West is a fat blind idiot.
jmv April 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
AAO,
We have to pencil Pineda. It’s our way to wish him well. Front office? Should get another pitcher, and if Pineda returns strong, even better
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You made a good point
Maybe Cashman can package up Banuelos and Betances for another block buster.
Seems that Delmon Young will be out for the weekend. Serious charges. And one tourist with some scratches doesn’t help
“Yankee Trader April 28th, 2012 at 10:34 am
*And*
Have to go soon. As always I enjoy the Breakfast club posts”
My favorite LoHud time of they day, LOL
I though that A-Rod was going to point some “only Jeter can finish a streak this way” stuff in his interview. The Captain always has a special way to do things
jmv-
really ?
You like my morning humor that much ?
“MTU April 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am
jmv-
really ?
You like my morning humor that much ?”
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I always like positive and measured attitude! LOL
A homeless Jewish guy? Well that definitely is bizarre but come on Delmon Young, join the team and fight the real enemy.
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jmv-
Don’t look to me then.
GF,
It is a pipe dream…..it wont happen …..they’ll pass on Hamels and say everything is fine and wonderful and continue on as is because Hal is going to be under that soft cap……Im just saying what they should do…..it would stabilize the rotation and would also inject some energy into the fanbase which is becoming complacent IMO…..not that they should be….but Yankee fans need excitement …..95% of them coukd care less about player development …..they want to see winning and stars on the field.
AJ hasn’t even pitched for the Pirates and if he has, it’s been one start, and he’s magnificent?
Hughes, IMO, can not be fixed as a starter because the material isn’t there. I know we want to believe it is, but it’s been enough. I have no problem with the Yankees at some point just sticking him in the pen and leaving him there. He’s not going to be re-signed and he’s not going to bring back anything of value, so just let him lie in the pen until it’s time for him to leave
The Knicks do have the worst luck. It wasn’t bad enough that they played the Celtics with half their team missing………….
“Maybe Cashman can package up Banuelos and Betances for another block buster.”
Doubt Betances has much trade value as most of baseball sees him as a relievers…..and you’re not going to get fair return for Banuelos either most likely.
Like Hamels would be the savior of the rotation? Like it’s guaranteed, as it was with Lee, that he would want to come to NY because everyone wants to come to NY? No way I’m signing any pitcher to 6 or 7 year deals and that’s what Hamels will want, like they all want. Let some other team give that to him.
“Hughes, IMO, can not be fixed as a starter because the material isn’t there. I know we want to believe it is, but it’s been enough. ”
I think he coukd…..but probably not in the big leagues……the talent is there…..the pitches aren’t….they should send him to Tampa and start from scratch.
Wait, so the Yankees should make moves just to placate spoiled fans who need excitement? Blake, I’m surprised that you would think that way. In a way, you’re perpetuating the notion that the Yankees have to spend millions more than anyone else just to field a WS-type of team……..that doesn’t speak well for how well-run you think the team is or isn’t, unfortunately.
“Like Hamels would be the savior of the rotation?”
It’d be like adding another Sabathia almost…..it’d help. It won’t happen though.
Yankee Trader April 28th, 2012 at 10:31 am
LGY-
Which east team will likely be in the finals? Miami? Chicago?
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Knicks
“Wait, so the Yankees should make moves just to placate spoiled fans who need excitement? Blake, I’m surprised that you would think that way”
No…..they should make the move for baseball reasons because Hamels is good…….they should.make the move for business reasons because stars make money.
“……..that doesn’t speak well for how well-run you think the team is or isn’t, unfortunately.”
Im not sure anymore to be honest…..
Blake, based on what do you think he can be fixed? Not everyone has the talent to be a competent major league starter. If the Yankees want to committ to Phil by sending him all the way down, I’m fine with it, but I’m also fine with them washing their hands of him as a starter. He is about to turn 26, not 22 – he’s not THAT young anymore. I’m just asking really why it’s a truth that Phil has all this talent that can be worked with. He can throw a FB, but that’s about it. Haven’t we seen many pitchers come through the majors doing that? They don’t last very long. I really like Phil and I thought he was going to have a good year this year. I’m rooting for him and I feel bad for him that his career has turned out like this. However, if his name were John Smith, I just wonder if we’d really be wanting to spend this much time on him. What saves Phil, I suppose, is that our pitchers in AAA are struggling, even our stud prospects; there’s no guarantee that they will ever have even the type of success Phil has had in the majors.
Blake,
I don’t disagree with that.
I’m with you on Hamels but I just don’t see it happening. They are going to have to get starting pitching from somewhere because they don’t seem to be having much luck developing their own for the exception of Nova (to this point).
They’ve had their hands on several good young arms but they obviously have a knack for mismanaging them.
Aren’t there 140+ games left in the 2012 season?
Has anyone made more than 4 starts yet?
Doesn’t anyone on this blog ever enjoy the moment like last night’s win against Verlander on the most unusual set of circumstances I’ve ever seen in 55+ years of watching baseball?
The Yankees are 11-8 with absolutely the worst starting pitching you could ever imagine out of a strong rotation. In a couple of weeks they will have Andy back and the only question mark will be the #5 starter.
Peace… Out…
Betsy,
I don’t know for certain he can…..just think its possible…..he’d have to change the way he pitches …..its been done before. I doubt the Yanks will pursue it though….he will be in the pen by the ASB
Blake, are you a proponent then of Hal being more like George and just spending like there’s no tomorrow? I admit that it’s frustrating that he has a budget (even a large one) because we’re not used to it, but he’s not his father – and I don’t blame him. If Hal starts to nix moves based on finances, though, he’s going to have to realize that he may pay the price when it comes to playoff succes and he’s going to have to get people who really know how to develop young talent………and find that talent in lower rounds because the Yankees are never going to be bad enough to get the minor league studs that other teams have been able to draft.
Blake, Hamels is very good, but the only FA signing that has completely worked out for them has been CC. Everyone else has had issues to say the least.
Morning, nice comeback yesterday. Garcia isn’t going to matchup well against these guys. It could be a bad one today. My son is at the game, he was hoping for CC to pitch and wasn’t overjoyed to hear it would be Freddie.
GF,
I think Banuelos is a final exam for the Yanks front office….this kid has the stuff and delivery to be a front line guy…..if they can’t get it out of him (and there is still plenty of time)…..then I think its time to think about a change.
-Tim Lincecum
-Max Scherzer
-Clay Bucholz
-Francisco Liriano
Each of these guys has an ERA higher than 8.00 so far this season.
Why is Hughes considered a complete worthless POS if each of these guys isn’t?
Talk amongst yourselves…
MG April 28th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Aren’t there 140+ games left in the 2012 season?
Has anyone made more than 4 starts yet?
Doesn’t anyone on this blog ever enjoy the moment like last night’s win against Verlander on the most unusual set of circumstances I’ve ever seen in 55+ years of watching baseball?
The Yankees are 11-8 with absolutely the worst starting pitching you could ever imagine out of a strong rotation. In a couple of weeks they will have Andy back and the only question mark will be the #5 starter.
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I’m just curious on how you have it down to one question mark? I like Andy, but lets see how he pitches after being out of baseball for a year and nearing the 40 year old mark. Said differently Andy may or may not patch a hole in the rotation, no one knows until he gets out there.
Blake, it would take a true committment from the team for them to even do that with Phil……..they’d have to sign him beyond his FA year. Also, while I think it’s on the players, do we really have anyone in our system who is capable of trying to break down a pitcher and put him back together again?
“Blake, are you a proponent then of Hal being more like George and just spending like there’s no tomorrow”
More like George yes……exactly like George no…….the Yanks should never have to trade one of the best prospects in baseball for something they need because of money….which ks what they essentially did. Spending on elite talent and being reckless are two separate things.
Blake, I’m confused as well myself. One thing I have an issue with is the fact that they seem to be married to Girardi…………..
MG,
How are you? Well….Lincecum has a track record of being awesome…..Scherzer has may e the best stuff in baseball…..Bucholtz is about as awful as Hughes….and Liriano is worse than Hughes. Hughes isn’t worthless…..facts are though that he really doesn’t have the secondary pitches to get through big league lineups multiple times right now.
blake April 28th, 2012 at 11:29 am
GF,
I think Banuelos is a final exam for the Yanks front office….this kid has the stuff and delivery to be a front line guy…..if they can’t get it out of him (and there is still plenty of time)…..then I think its time to think about a change.
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We all know that young arms are fragile by nature. But there just seems to be a trend with the “bad luck” they’ve encountered with these young arms in recent years.
Sure, the kids do share some responsibility here but management has made quite a few predictably bad decisions regarding their roles and development.
OH geezus, come on. So you can’t criticize a player’s performance without saying he’s a POS? That’s beyond ridiculous and it’s insulting. Give me a break -and I NEVER NEVER said anything in any of my posts bashing Phil personally.
Blake, I was fine with the trade and I never thought it was about finances anyway. However, I don’t want to get into that. In general, I agree with you…
blake April 28th, 2012 at 11:32 am
“Blake, are you a proponent then of Hal being more like George and just spending like there’s no tomorrow”
More like George yes……exactly like George no…….the Yanks should never have to trade one of the best prospects in baseball for something they need because of money….which ks what they essentially did. Spending on elite talent and being reckless are two separate things.
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The Kuroda decision may well pan out to be the only good one. Right now letting Colon go, paying Freddie $4M, and the Pineda/Montero decisions aren’t looking so good.
“The Yankees are 11-8 with absolutely the worst starting pitching you could ever imagine”
Exactly what I pointed yesterday. CC and Kuroda are going to be OK. Andy is coming, he should be an upgrade over Phil/García, at least. No reason to panic now. The only thing that doesn’t look good right now is 2013 SP
Gary, that’s why you don’t make judgments 4 starts into the season.
I still think letting Colon go and re-signing Freddy was absolutely the right move.
What’s up with Jair Jurrjens? He’s is the same situation than Phil. Would be insane a change of scenery?
Giuseppe Franco April 28th, 2012 at 11:35 am
blake April 28th, 2012 at 11:29 am
GF,
I think Banuelos is a final exam for the Yanks front office….this kid has the stuff and delivery to be a front line guy…..if they can’t get it out of him (and there is still plenty of time)…..then I think its time to think about a change.
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We all know that young arms are fragile by nature. But there just seems to be a trend with the “bad luck” they’ve encountered with these young arms in recent years.
Sure, the kids do share some responsibility here but management has made quite a few predictably bad decisions regarding their roles and development.
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I happen to not believe in bad luck, but I do agree that sometimes you make your own luck. I think there might have been a couple times when something could have been different, but I also happen to think that expectations have been set off the map for guys that clearly didn’t have that type of talent.
I don’t have a problem with the Yanks imposing a soft cap on their payroll. The problem I have is the way management has decided to allocate some of those resources.
GF,
I’ve defended Cashman and Girardi for years here……im growing increasingly irritated with them both though…..I hope they prove me wrong.
I think Jair is hurt in some way
Betsy April 28th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Gary, that’s why you don’t make judgments 4 starts into the season.
I still think letting Colon go and re-signing Freddy was absolutely the right move.
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Hi Betty, I’m basing it not on his starts. but on what he has left. Just my opinion that he doesn’t have it left in the tank.
When you can’t make a ML batter remain honest with hard stuff, they just sit on the slow junk and pound it. Colon at least has velocity left, he can setup his pitches.
If Banuelos fails, though, I’m not sure why it’s on the Yankees. Either you execute your pitches or you don’t……..the Yankees can’t force someone to develop as they hope.
Gary, it’s still just a few starts…………but ok, we can agree to disagree.
. The problem I have is the way management has decided to allocate some of those resouRces”
If the Yanks are going to do it then they have to become more efficient…..and im becoming less confident that the current front office is going to be able to do that…….they have never had to squeeze the most out of a finite payroll number…..
jmv April 28th, 2012 at 11:37 am
“The Yankees are 11-8 with absolutely the worst starting pitching you could ever imagine”
Exactly what I pointed yesterday. CC and Kuroda are going to be OK. Andy is coming, he should be an upgrade over Phil/García, at least. No reason to panic now. The only thing that doesn’t look good right now is 2013 SP
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My gripes and concerns are not about this season and how the team is doing on the field right now. It’s about how management is going to construct the team going forward.
The Pineda injury is a much bigger deal for the future of the franchise going forward than people seem to think.
I still believe this is the best team in the AL East. The rotation will get better so these concerns of mine don’t mean I’m panicking about the 2012 season.
I”f Banuelos fails, though, I’m not sure why it’s on the Yankees. Either you execute your pitches or you don’t……..the Yankees can’t force someone to develop as they h”
If may not be…..as I’ve said before I think a lot depends on the player…..BUT a trend is forming and if he fails it’d be added to a pretty long list of failure.
I gotta run soon….GO freddy today!
Blake, that’s true – unfortunatley. I just now don’t think it’s a good idea to get too hyped about pitching prospects (any prospects really, but especially pitching) as they never seem to work out for us. Nova seems to have, so that’s our one pitcher per decade, lol.
blake April 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am
GF,
I’ve defended Cashman and Girardi for years here……im growing increasingly irritated with them both though…..I hope they prove me wrong.
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Ditto.
The Montero trade and now the Pineda injury has forced me to change my opinion of how this team is being managed – both on the field and in the front office.
I’m still not getting why Girardi hasn’t taken Ibanez’ glove away but he continues to run him out there. You’d think they would have learned their lesson with Thames a couple of years ago.
“I’m still not getting why Girardi hasn’t taken Ibanez’ glove away but he continues to run him out there.”
Its driving me crazy…..I don’t get it….especially at YS
West must be killed
Lol
I think Cashman and comlany have the right idea as to how they arr trying to run the organization ……but the plan is only part of if……the execution of the plan is just as important and that’s the part Im just not sure about ……we’ll see….enjoy the game and your Saturday everyone….I wont get to watch I don’t think…..gonna be FOX’d on the broadcast.
GF,
Sorry if I offended you with the panicking comment, wasn’t directed at anyone, I was speaking in general. I’m also worried about the lack of development, seems like the minor leaguers can’t take the next step to stablish in MLB. Something is wrong at the higher levels… I think that right now the goal is to make the minor leaguers look good in order to trade them
I think today’s game is outside the Fox blackout period.
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“blake April 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am
“I’m still not getting why Girardi hasn’t taken Ibanez’ glove away but he continues to run him out there.”
Its driving me crazy…..I don’t get it….especially at YS”
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Yesterday’s “triple” was special. Gosh
At least Thames did catch some balls. Of course, you didn’t know where the throw was going to land
jmv April 28th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
GF,
Sorry if I offended you with the panicking comment, wasn’t directed at anyone, I was speaking in general. I’m also worried about the lack of development, seems like the minor leaguers can’t take the next step to stablish in MLB. Something is wrong at the higher levels… I think that right now the goal is to make the minor leaguers look good in order to trade them
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Thanks, but no offense taken. Just clarifying my position.
It doesn’t help that the major league club doesn’t seem to have a lot of patience with the youngsters. Hughes has certainly been given a lot of rope, but he seems to be the exception.
Garcia has a chance to pitch effectively if he can regain control of his splitter.i have about reached the conclusion Hughes doesn’t have enough to be a starter. His fastball averages 91.8 which is MLB average or slightly above. However, he has no other pitches that are even average. I just don’t see how he can get out over the course of multiple innings with that arsenal.
I believe he must be sent down to work on secondary pitches. It worked for Nova is his slider development.
Jacksquat,
I think you’re correct that their is no Fox blackout. I say hooray now and hope Garcia can keep the game close.
Hughes should get one more start.If he gets bombed,he should be sen’t down til he can throw 3 pitches,for strikes,in any count.
JF posted links to hughes when he was plowing through every hitter with a nasty curve.
The hitters looked like little leaguers.
He is not even 26 years old.
Imo,hughes lost his confidence.
Austinmac,
Hughes should go down to AAA and relearn the slider. I don’t care if it takes 12 months. Get him off the roster – he is a ticking time bomb.
GF,
All Ok then. I think that Phil got his long rope because of his own success in the first half of 2010, combined with the fact that the Yankees were running away with the division last year. Also, they had A.J., so they could only hope that Hughes could get it together. I believe that this year it won’t be the case, and he’ll be dumped from the rotation if they manage a way to work on a trade (not necessarily involving him) or Phelps/Mitchell turn to be lights out
I would say learn the slider in AAA and then you get called up. Not a moment sooner. I don’t care if all they get out of him is 6 more months of service time as long as he has an out pitch (the slider) for that time period, however brief.
austinmac,
We all want Phil at AAA. But anyone can’t understand the refusal of the front office to do that.
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I don’t believe in the magic bullet of “one more start” for Hughes.
If he’s on with FB location and change, he can win a game for the Yankees; nothing magic about it. But, he hasn’t come far enough with the third pitch to just assume the next outing, if it’s good, precludes having to develop one. The need for a third pitch will remain.
For once in their lives, they need to do this right – by the player, and by their own little battle cry of “pitching wins.” Yeah? Let’s see you dirty your hands and put your money where your mouth is. You just wasted the best bat in your system for a “big” arm – how about actually doing something about one you’ve got who’s healthy in exchange for your unctuous lip service. Who knows: maybe if you right the ship and develop some of the arms that you’ve collected here, you won’t be gifting Gary Sanchez to some slick West Coast team on the take.
Send Hughes down. He might find something rapidly, since there is already the huge positive of arm strength regained and a commitment to throw his change.
The rotation is fine, with C, Nova, Kuroda and Phelps, if they’d just put Garcia in a long role. Phelps can handle a fifth spot, certainly until Andy arrives. The ERA stuff is a joke; it’s early, some guys are still rounding into pitching shape, and it’s been very cold.
If they send Hughes to Tampa, that’s one more arm that may be able to deliver down the road. Get him back in the lab and stop running to stand still on him.