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Pregame notes: Garcia sent to bullpen

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Apr 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Freddy Garcia has been removed from the rotation and moved to the bullpen. Hes not going on the DL, and the Yankees still have not announced a move to add D.J. Mitchell. My guess is that Cody Eppley will be optioned (UPDATE: Yankees  just announced that Eppley has been optioned).

Also no official word on who will take Garcia’s spot in the rotation, but Joe Girardi acknowledged earlier today that David Phelps is the most obvious candidate.

Phelps said he hasn’t been told anything, but he’s been using all four pitches out of the bullpen and doesn’t think moving into the rotation will be all that different from pitching multiple innings out of the bullpen.

As you might expect, I’ve spent all morning standing around the clubhouse waiting for news on Garcia, so I’ll just add some quick pregame notes to this post.

• Garcia was obviously disappointed, but he also seemed to fully expect this sort of move. “I didn’t pitch the way I’m supposed to pitch,” he said.

• Garcia said he does not believe there’s anything physically wrong, he’s just not pitching very well. There’s nothing specific he wants to work on during his time in the bullpen. “I just try to feel right,” he said.

• During his pregame press conference — before anything had been announced involving Garcia — Girardi said Phelps is the top candidate to takeover a spot in the rotation. There’s been no official announcement saying Phelps is now a starter, but Girardi seemed to make it clear that Phelps would be the guy. We’ll probably hear something official after the game.

• A Yankees official said no roster move has been announced because the player involved hasn’t been informed. Eppley has pitched well, but I’m guessing he’ll be option strictly because he’s not going to be available for a while. That’s just the way these things work from time to time.

• Brett Gardner went to the cage to take swings for a second consecutive day. He said yesterday’s tee-and-toss session went fine, no problems with his elbow. “Step in the right direction,” he said.

• Chris Stewart is getting another start with CC Sabathia, but Girardi quickly dismissed the idea that Stewart is Sabathia’s personal catcher. Girardi said he likes to have his backup catchers stick with one or two guys, and it’s just worked out that Stewart’s starts have come with Sabathia. There’s not much difference between that and a personal catcher, but Girardi indicated that it’s more coincidence than anything.

• Mitchell found out about the call-up yesterday, before the big league game was even finished. Obviously the Yankees knew they would need another arm, but they didn’t settle on the actual move until this morning.

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134 Responses to “Pregame notes: Garcia sent to bullpen”

  1. Bret The Hitman April 29th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    What, no takers for Freddy at 4 million? Imagine that.

  2. ac1 April 29th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Freddy is a waste in the pen too.
    He wouldn’t be able to give mop-up innings giving up runs the way he does.
    may be worth just releasing him and going with the Phelps/Mitchell/Warren trio….

  3. Frozen Rope April 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    now they just have to get rid of Hughes and that should take care of some of the dead weight.

  4. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Every move shoulda been planned yesterday. Cashman running the Yankees like he’s managing a Walmart. Seat of the pants , “what time’s coffee?”, style.

  5. jmv April 29th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Seems Eppley is *going* down…

    JAP,

    Never been to a minor league park… It’s a must do in the future

  6. UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    So Cashman calls up Mitchell but they have to wait until Cash gets to the park to announce he is being sent down???

    Wow talk about avoiding a question. Why does Girardi even have sessions with the media anymore? It’s all a bunch of hogwash and spin all the time anyways.

    My goodness answer a question.

  7. UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    he* who

  8. jr1212 April 29th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    DONNYBROOK,

    Maybe this was planned yersterday. How would Mitchell be here if it wasnt? Cashman probably wanted to talk Garcia personally regarding the demotion before announcing it to the media.

  9. jmv April 29th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Gotta go. See you in a while! Go Big Man!

  10. ac1 April 29th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    still no word on who is getting demoted in place of mitchell

  11. Villa Nova-Ya April 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    You do realize this is not Fantasy Baseball or a videogame, don’t you?

    Just because you did not receive advanced notice of what the Yankees would or would not do does not mean they are flying by the seat of their pants. Just because you are not privy, does not mean there is no Plan B, C, D.

    There are actual people involved here. You talk to the people involved first; you do not tell your plans to the media first and then do them. It works the other way around.

  12. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Thank god !

    Now all they have to do is get rid of Hughes and the rotation will be upgraded. And why keep Garcia in the pen when he can’t pitch ? Just get rid of him.

  13. jacksquat April 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am
    So Cashman calls up Mitchell but they have to wait until Cash gets to the park to announce he is being sent down???

    Wow talk about avoiding a question. Why does Girardi even have sessions with the media anymore? It’s all a bunch of hogwash and spin all the time anyways.

    My goodness answer a question.

    Yep, it’s like the White House (under any President). They treat you like mushrooms, keep you in the dark and feed you a bunch of s*#t.

  14. Bret The Hitman April 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Eppley will be demoted probably.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock April 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    JAP,

    Never been to a minor league park… It’s a must do in the future
    ///
    jmv,

    If you can stomach the bean bag races, rafflels, goofy mascots, karaoke, and getting hit in the face with rolled-up t-shirts, you’re good to go!

    I er..pick my spots ;).
    ///

    The wind is crazy down here. Hope it’s milder in the Bronx.

  16. UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Andrew Marchand ? @AndrewMarchand
    Girardi says Mitchell is leading candidate to join rotation. Nothing official yet.

    42 minutes later this tweet

    Andrew Marchand ? @AndrewMarchand
    Freddy is going to pen. Phelps is not official yet, but it seems obvious he will be in rotation

    ——-

    So the first tweet must have just been made up by Marchand. Nothing changes in 42 minutes that would take Mitchell away from being the leading candidate to be put in the rotation.

    Nice reporting ESPNNY, pitiful.

  17. jacksquat April 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Garcia in the pen is like throwing gas on a fire. I’d prefer someone who at least preserves some chance of the team making a comeback or a chance in extra innings.

  18. blake April 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Eppley can’t pitch for a few days so im pretty sure it’ll be him…..not sure what good freddy will be in the pen either thouh

  19. ac1 April 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Now all they have to do is get rid of Hughes and the rotation will be upgraded. And why keep Garcia in the pen when he can’t pitch ? Just get rid of him.

    ___

    I agree……
    He cant get through 2 innings without giving up 7 runs.
    What good is he even in mop up?
    Bring up the kids and eat garcia’s salary.
    At least Phelps, Mitchell and Warren have upside and potential.

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Villa – thrilled about everything going on. And yes, it does remind me that we have an active organization. :)

    I’m starting to feel a sense of relief. Hopefully the moves are good ones and our rotation rounds into shape. I’m still hoping that Phil is not in the rotation next time around.

    Bret – can you be allergic to something that you take full strength but not be allergic to it in time-release form? Figured you’d know that stuff.

  21. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    repost:

    yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 11:48 am
    Yeah, figured they wouldn’t give up on Freddy yet. To bp makes more sense and Eppley down.

    jmv, come on out and we’ll give you the whirlwind Yankees milb affiliate tour or at least the NY metro version.

  22. BD (Boston Dave) April 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Freddy in the pen is a waiting game.

    I imagine they’ll find a way to get him on the DL.

  23. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Cashman signed Garcia Extremely early in the offseason, and the Yankees are Now paying the price for his “jumping the gun”. Cashman had a choice between signing Garcia or Colon, and obviously chose poorly. The negative side of the Cashman Ledger continues to grow.

  24. jacksquat April 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
    Andrew Marchand ? @AndrewMarchand
    Girardi says Mitchell is leading candidate to join rotation. Nothing official yet.

    42 minutes later this tweet

    Andrew Marchand ? @AndrewMarchand
    Freddy is going to pen. Phelps is not official yet, but it seems obvious he will be in rotation

    ——-

    So the first tweet must have just been made up by Marchand. Nothing changes in 42 minutes that would take Mitchell away from being the leading candidate to be put in the rotation.

    Nice reporting ESPNNY, pitiful.

    You missed, or left out, this one in between:

    AndrewMarchand Earlier I should have wrote Girardi said Phelps, not Mitchell, was favorite to join rotation. My apologies.

  25. jmv April 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “I er..pick my spots”

    Nice advice! I’ll keep it mind. But I have to get to NY first

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I hope everything is okay in randy’s life. It’s unusual not to have seen him around, especially after the Pineda diagnosis. I know his dad is elderly, so I’m hoping he’s okay too.

  27. jmv April 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    YF,

    We got a deal! But as a said to JAP, I have to get to NY first

  28. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    What will it take for Cashman to finally can Garcia ? Does Garcia have naked photos of Cashman or something.

  29. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Villa, QFT.

  30. Betsy April 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Poor Freddy…..I love the guy, but it wasn’t working this year.

    Next move: Phil out, Andy in

  31. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    jmv, we’ll at least you are covered on the second aspect. You just have to solve the first part… Just do it! :)

  32. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am
    I hope everything is okay in randy’s life. It’s unusual not to have seen him around, especially after the Pineda diagnosis. I know his dad is elderly, so I’m hoping he’s okay too.
    _______
    RANDY, please call your Lohud home to at least check in.

  33. LockDown April 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    I’m guessing they only use Garcia in blowouts because he can’t seem to get through 1 inning. And maybe they can avoid using him all together in hopes of trading him before his value crashes even more. Yeah, I know his value is shot, but imagine if he can’t even get through 1 inning of relief :?

    Even worse imagine him relieving a Hughes start. :shock:

  34. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    My goodness, logically you take a guy out of the rotation when he struggles for a month. When you start, you can effect an entire game.

    But eat his 4 million dollar salary to send a potential starter to the mop up role instead?

    Get a clue, it’s a very small sample size and Garcia’s sample size in the bullpen is 0. Let him pitch his way off the roster, but to call for his head in situations where every valuable reliever has already been used or the starter is blown out, is senseless.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock April 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    It’s possible Hughes is being sent to Tampa to work on his secondary stuff.

    I am in favor of this, because unlike those who want to just “get rid” of 25-year old Hughes, I think this would be good for him and for the club. Hughes with a third pitch could be extremely effective.

    Could also see them keeping Phelps in the long role as Hughes Tuesday night cadde and giving DJ a start. DJ’s been exceptional at AAA.

  36. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    DONNYBROOK
    Another example of cashman’s inability to evaluate talent. Colon struggled in the second half because he didn’t pitch a full season for a few years so it was clear to everyone that he was tired. Cashman chose the junk baller for a one year deal over the strike, good fastball throwing pitcher. The excuses have run out for Cashman, the guy is clearly over his head.

  37. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Hughes in the Pen makes sense, as he has been successful there previously. Garcia is currently the baseball version of a “shot fighter”. There aint nothin’ there, and worse yet, HE knows it. You could see it all over his face, and in his body language yesterday PM.

  38. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Andrew Marchand ? @AndrewMarchand
    Girardi says Mitchell is leading candidate to join rotation. Nothing official yet.

    42 minutes later this tweet
    _______
    Not surprised by that. I’ve always wanted him to start vs. be in the BP and DJ can be very successful. But fans have to realize he may have some growing pains and deal with it.

  39. Bret The Hitman April 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Trisha,

    I have no idea. I’m very weak in immunology. What I know about allergies is very basic – reactions are more likely when the body has body-wide inflammation.

    Are you saying you are allergic to one version of an over-the-counter medication but not the other? Could the ingredients be different?

    I used to drink Red Bull all the time and switched to sugar-free red bull. I had a severe allergic reaction to the sugar-free version and couldn’t figure out why. They use Aspartame. But there has to be an accumulation of aspartame for me to have a reaction. And the reaction is on a 24-48 hour delay.

    The immune system is not very predictable with the way immune cells respond to different molecules. You can have inflammation/negative reaction to something you ingested or were exposed to weeks ago or maybe even months, we don’t know for sure with the immune system and its difficult to pinpoint combinations of molecules and levels of those combinations that trigger immune response.

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock April 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Hear that, Randy??

    You’ve got the ladies worrying over you (he probably likes that ;) ).

    Check in, why don’t you.

  41. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “There ain’t nothing there” was “there” a month ago. Likely the look on Garcia’s face is that of a pitcher who hasn’t made it out of the 2nd inning in back to back starts. Hughes in the pen does not make sense until you have exhausted your options. Replacing him with a lower ceiling prospect with no MLB experience is not an option. Now if he’s still struggling when pettitte is available, I agree you throw him in the bullpen or get rid of one of he and Garcia.

  42. Chad Jennings April 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Things went so late in the clubhouse, I just added some notes to this post.

    Still no word on an official move. We’ll probably get that in the next half hour or so.

    Hard to say whether the Yankees were truly undecided on a move — could be that they wanted to check with Freddy before making a decision — or if they simply wanted to let Cashman tell Garcia personally that he’s moving to the bullpen. I know for certain that Garcia hadn’t been told a thing as of roughly 10 o’clock this morning, but around 11:30 he came into the clubhouse and announced to a group of reporters that he was going to the bullpen, so certainly some conversation happened during that hour and a half.

  43. Chad Jennings April 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Yankees just now announced that Eppley has been optioned.

  44. jmv April 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    YF,

    I will! Promise!

    JAP,

    Hughes to Trenton… I like!

    C ya in a while!

  45. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Phelps deserves the opportunity he will get. I hope he runs with it.

  46. UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    After that start on May 3, the Yankees can utilize an off day on May 7 to insure that they won’t need that spot in the rotation again until May 12. By then, Andy Pettitte will have made two more minor league starts and would presumably be ready to return to the Yankees.

    http://web.yesnetwork.com/news.....;oid=36019

    I like that paragraph above from Curry. I hope the Yankees actually take advantage of their next off day and skip over that 5th starter unlike what they did this past week.

    By May 12th Andy would have to be ready, of course he might be needed for Hughes’s spot so it could be irrelevant.

  47. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    And Colon is out of shape and lost velocity as the season wore down. There’s no proof at his age now, he’s going to all of a sudden work his way to a 200 inning workhorse. Of course his velocity is there now, it’s the start of a new season, but arms don’t work the way his was just described. You don’t magically, at the age of 38, condition yourself for 200 innings.

    Colon is performing because he pitches in Oakland, which is an airport and it’s April.

    It was wise going with Garcia who doesn’t rely on velocity, without the benefit of hindsight.

  48. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Or not.

  49. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Why do we need to see Garcia in the pen ? If he can’t get hitters out in the rotation why put him in the pen where the results will still be the same. Garcia has already pitched himself off the roster by currently being the worst starting pitcher in the AL.

  50. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Or yes.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Bret, I’m trying to isolate the cause of an allergic reaction I’m having. I take a supplement that I used to take in time-release form but now I am taking it full strength. Ingredients are the same. Just trying to figure out if the full-strength form could be causing it. Thanks though. Hopefully I get it figured out because I’m itching like crazy and benedryl isn’t helping too much.

    :)

  52. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “Why do we need to see Garcia in the pen ?”

    Contract size matters.

  53. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Trisha, how long have you been taking the curcumin? Because another possibility (just guessing here) is that if you have taken it for a long time you may now have become overly sensitive to it, and need to get off it for a while. Some herbs and supplements over time cause skin rashes because of the amount you’ve taking, a healing reaction or because you are taking multi-anti-inflammatory types of supplements, etc. Curcumin is pretty powerful, so the rash may also be a way your body is detoxing through the skin. You also can help flush out the toxins by drinking a lot of water, lemon in water, taking soothing things like aloe (if you aren’t allergic to that).

  54. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Unknown, they didn’t skip the 5th starter for this exact reason. Another chance to let a struggling pitcher pitch out of it. In this outcome, neither one has yet and now both are in hot water. Garcia and Phelps will switch spots and Mitchell will get a taste in the majors, just like Phelps out of camp. If Hughes continues to struggle, likely he replaces Mitchell and Pettitte comes into the rotation. It’s better to have Mitchell and Warren as insurance policies than force them into ill conceived roles like long-man.

  55. Bret The Hitman April 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    What supplement?

  56. UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    CC needs to pitch around Cabby all day today. That is the key.

  57. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Trisha, try oatmeal baths, Aveena perhaps?

  58. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    You don’t know Garcia in the pen produces the same results. First of all, your sample size is one month. That’s 1/6th of one season. Second of all, remember Hughes and Chamberlain in the bullpen compared to the rotation? It’s almost never the same results. You have a lot less responsibility as a long-man compared to as a starter. If the results were the same, every solid long-man would become a starter instead since they’re more valuable over 200 innings instead of 50.

  59. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Vince
    Colon is still better that Garcia. You can make all of the excuses in the world : Colon is old, Colon is out of shape, He pitches in Oakland.

    Garcia is the worst starting pitcher in the AL based on the stats.

  60. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Cashman is dribbling out information like Nixon at the height of Watergate. Absolutely ridiculous that 1 hr before game time, and NOBODY knows what is going down with the 25 Man Roster. And to think Hal just re-upped this guy. For the Yanks to win a Championship, they gotta be twice as good as everyone else, and spend twice as much\$$$ also.

  61. pkyankfan69 April 29th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Phelps (likely) first start will be in KC vs the Royals.

    Looks like the prefect opportunity to get his feet wet as a stater.

    I agree with the general sentiment in here that Garcia in the BP is a waste of a spot… They should either DL him with dead arm or something (just to keep depth with Pettitte still somewhat of a ?) or just DFA him and get it over with already.

    Congrats to DJ!

  62. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Vincent
    So please explain how Garcia will be more productive out of the pen with his 85 mph slop ?

    Also hughes and Chamberlain are not old like Garcia and they are not junk ballers. The comparison is ridiculous.

  63. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Jeremy, your logic would work if this were football. It has been one month. You’re talking about 12 innings and four starts. That’s 1/8th of a season and that’s ignoring all of last year and the types of pitchers they are. You can make every ridiculous quick trigger reaction you want, it’s not going to make you any more logical.

  64. UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    I will say I am surprised that the Yankees made a move today, considering that with CC on the mound I don’t think they have to worry about bullpen depth for today.

    Last time Garcia started in front of CC in Baltimore and blew out the pen it was questioned whether Phelps would be sent down for a fresh arm. However, he was not because CC was that day’s starter.

    I am a little surprised they didn’t take this same approach this time around. With that said, I would rather see Mitchell up in the bigs instead of Eppley

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Bret – curcumin. I never had trouble with it before.

    YF – that’s my next move. Leaving to buy some, plus oatmeal soap.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Thanks, both.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock April 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    trisha,

    turmeric is an aggressive blood cleanser. You may be itchy because it’s cleaning you out. It’s potent as a liver detoxifier. I’d go off it for several days and then cycle it back in if you choose to.

  68. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Being old doesn’t mean you can’t generate more velocity in 1-3 innings as opposed to 6-9. Naturally when you have less work load in less stressful situations you’re going to throw harder and perhaps more effectively. I can’t tell you why Garcia has been awful and I don’t think anyone else can right now. He had velocity in spring training, he hasn’t had it now. Maybe it’s the weather, who knows?

    The point is you can’t use April as your sample size for an entire year comparison completely based on hindsight being 20/20. Just like you can’t claim bullpen results will always be the same as starter results, the most absurd statement anyone has made yet.

  69. pkyankfan69 April 29th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Jeremy, your logic would work if this were football. It has been one month. You’re talking about 12 innings and four starts. That’s 1/8th of a season and that’s ignoring all of last year and the types of pitchers they are. You can make every ridiculous quick trigger reaction you want, it’s not going to make you any more logical.
    ————————————

    Have you watched Garcia’s starts?

    It is if 83MPH meatball and 83MPH meatball… He might as well be throwing batting practice

  70. blake April 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    They could always go with secret option C and put Phelps AND Mitchell in the rotation.

  71. hardwired7 April 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I’m still amazed at Joba and his amazing pain threshold/accelerated healing process.

    They need to check that guy for wolverine DNA.

  72. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    blake, as if…

  73. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “They could always go with secret option C and put Phelps AND Mitchell in the rotation.”

    I would rate the odds at 70% or so at some point during the season.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock April 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Yeah, maybe if we were running the team…

  75. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Speaking of “generating velocity”, watched Aveves consistently throwing 96-97 MPH last night in Chi town. Yanks let Aceves go, and hang onto “Old Man River”\ Garcia. Cashman Continues to pull the wrong levers, and the Yankees pay the price monetarily and on the field.

  76. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    I have, and like I said, it’s diminished velocity. Velocity doesn’t just magically disappear in a week (the end of spring to the beginning of the season). Likely, there is another factor at play here. The Yankees seem to be ruling out health, so perhaps it’s something like weather, or a discomfort, or a mechanical reason. I can’t tell you because I’m not a baseball expert on pitchers, much like none of you are, which is why I defer to actual baseball experts on pitching to make these decisions. It’s silly to throw away a four million dollar pitcher who was a solid middle of the rotation guy a year ago and who had velocity a month ago because of four bad starts. Let him try to work it out in the bullpen, there is no confident replacement yet.

    Like I said, when Pettitte is ready he replaces Hughes or Phelps and one of those guys can replace Freddy if he’s still struggling and you still have Warren and Mitchell as insurance policies.

    Getting rid of a track record of talent based on four starts is reactionary and nonsensical.

  77. West Coast Yankee April 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    I just don’t get it. What good can Garcia do in the bullpen? He’s just taking up a roster spot. If they think something’s wrong with him, put him on the DL and get him a rehad assignment in the minors. Otherwise, release him.

  78. 86w183 April 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    You make the Mitchell move today so Phelps can go on a physical routine based on starting in 4 days rather than being able to pitch out of the pen on Tuesday.

    I too see ZERO sense in Garcia to the pen. He’s never done it. They could easily put him on the DL with a “tired arm” and let him try to build up some arm strength.

    Garcia was better than Colon last year and i s 3 1/2 years younger. Virtually everyone would have chosen him over Bartolo after last season especially with the rest of the rotation slated for power arms. Hindsight is 20/20.

  79. xcv April 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    garcia needs to be DFA’ed. bullpen is too good for him. hopefully when gardner comes back genius cashman will come to his senses and DFA him then. there’s absolutely no need to waste good money on bad money spent already by keeping him in the pen. this is just a @#$%&ing disaster.

  80. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Donny, so then you admit you can generate more velocity in the bullpen? Aceves doesn’t throw 96-98 as a starter. The Yankees also resigned Garcia a full year after Aceves was already with the Sox.

    They also doubted Aceves’ health due to his back. Also, look at Aceves’ stats as a reliever nevertheless a starter.

    You strike me as the type who blame Cashman for Pineda’s health and yet in the same breath with they took a risk with a guy who had a known medical history. Such a fan.

  81. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    If Garcia insists that he isn’t hurt, they can’t DL him.

  82. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    You want to get rid of Garcia because he has never performed in the bullpen? What experienced reliever is replacing him as the longman from the minors?

    You give him enough rope to hang himself. He did it as a starter, now you give him chances in low leverage situation as a long-man. The Yankees are going about this logically.

  83. UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Sure looks like to me Stewart is CC’s new personal catcher. Hard for Girardi to keep denying that fact.

  84. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Worst case? He performs poorly in what was already a blowout. Best case? He builds some semblance of trade value where maybe a team eats his salary rather than DFA him. Or maybe he figures it out and someone goes down in the rotation and you give him a shot. Either way, to get rid of him now is bad business sense and not good for the roster.

  85. 86w183 April 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    You can DL a guy who insists he’s healthy if you have a legitimate reason. Garcia’s velocity is down 2-4 MPH from last year and that can be an indication of a problem.

    Many a pitcher has been put on the DL who insisted he just needed a couple of days.

  86. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Obviously the Yanks think Freddy’s loss of velo is curious (esp. since he had normal velo in ST) and want some time to evaluate what is going on with Freddy. So, that’s probably why they don’t want to prematurely DL him. We have ample time to make moves, so I wouldn’t put what we do today in stone. We have flexibility. As for Hughes, I would think how he pitches on Tuesday will weigh into our evaluation of him, so Yanks aren’t making a knee-jerk moves for the hell of it on either Freddy or Hughes. I am on board with that. And we have Phelps and Mitchell to shore us up. Pitching depth.

  87. randy l. April 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    “Trisha, how long have you been taking the curcumin?”

    yankeefeminista-

    i’ve been using tumeric for years on my food.it’s a natural anti inflammatory among other things.

    i’m pretty sue the problem trisha is having is that curcumin , a key ingredient in tumeric is reacting with her late night expeditions to kentucky fried chicken… yes , yes , i know… grilled chicken…

    … of course it could also be trisha getting hives with the red sox winning 6 straight and getting larger in the rear view mirror.

    … and trisha, thanks for the concern for my father. he’s fine …except for that red sox 6 games winning streak :)

  88. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Also, we may be waiting to see how Andy comes out of tomorrow’s rehab start.

  89. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Dude Garcia is done. He has a bag of tricks to fool hitters and he has finally run out. He is not the same pitcher he was years ago because if he was he would be a front line starter.

    Right now Garcia serves no purpose on this team, and Hughes can’t cut it as a starter. The Yankees have improved themselves now all they have to do is remove hughes from the rotation.

  90. blake April 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Freddy will likely get cut loose if he doesn’t show improvement by the time Andy gets back….I agree though he’s not bringing much value as a reliever…..they should try and get him on the DL to see where his velocity went.

  91. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Garcia probably wants to get cut so he has a chance to pitch somewhere in the ML. If he agrees to go on the DL, he reduces of chance of doing that.

  92. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Hi Randy, glad to hear you are alive and well. I use tumeric as well on food from singapore noodles to biryani to health drinks, but curcumin may be a bit of a different beast. Probably a detox effect…

  93. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    All you gotta do concerning the evaluation of Cashman is the old + – onna sheet of paper. The minus side of the ledger far exceeds the pluses. My guess concerning Aceves is that the R\Sox altered his delivery\mechanics. We saw the same thing dating back to Ted Lilly.I don’t believe the difference in MPH is due to shifting to the Pen. As for Aceve’s health\back, the Yanks coulda gone the incentive route in his contract, if that was truly their main concern. We got Chavez, Garcia, and Ibanez, ALL mistakes on Cashman’s part.

  94. blake April 29th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    What up Randy….where you been?

  95. blake April 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    I don’t think anybody is picking up Freddy the way he’s pitching…..its not just bad luck….he looks terrible.

  96. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Maybe not, blake, but he knows he will never get much of a shot here.

  97. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    How can you not credit the bullpen to velocity? Aceves is throwing one inning compared to the swingman/spot starter role on the Yankees. We saw increased velocity with Hughes and Chamberlain just like Bard and Feliz had it in the bullpen compared to the rotation with their teams. It’s downright insane not to know that’s where the increased velocity is especially since nobody, anywhere, in Boston or otherwise, has claimed to change Aceves’ mechanics.

    And Jeremy, get back to me when you start watching baseball before 2012.

  98. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Plus, do they owe the entire remaining balance of his contract if they cut him?

  99. jacksquat April 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    They can put Garcia on the DL with lack-of-velocity-itis.

  100. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    So are you saying putting Garcia in the Pen will increase his velocity ??? Aceves did NOT consistently throw 96-97 MPH while in the Yankee bullpen at ANY time.

  101. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    At Garcia’s level of velo, velo probably doesn’t matter.

  102. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    “How can you not credit the bullpen to velocity?”
    _____
    You of course do. I assume that was a rhetorical question…

  103. randy l. April 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    yankeefeminista-

    had biryani last night :)

    there is this wholeasle spice place near where i live on cape cod where you can get a pound of a spice like tumeric for like $6/pound, so i get all kinds of spices .

    http://www.atlanticspice.com/s.....tegory.asp

  104. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    As per Garcia’s velocity, I doubt they are putting him in the pen to see if it increases. They are probably buying time, and want to give him a chance to straighten out if he can. I doubt he would be used at all except in low leverage situations. We are just buying time.

  105. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    I agree with Yankee and yes, Donny, I’m saying it’s POSSIBLE just because naturally when you have less of a work load you can throw harder. That said, I don’t know why his velocity is diminished from the norm, so I don’t know if that is going to effect it.

    But Yankee is right in that that’s not why the Yankees are moving him there.

  106. tucker April 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    With the uncertainty in the rotation, they probably feel they need two long relievers. If Hughes continues to struggle, you need a long reliever available for his starts. That leaves another long reliever in case Phelps or any of the other three starters have an off night. Probably the right move putting Garcia in the pen and callin up Mitchell.

    It now becomes a competition between Phelps and Hughes for the fifth slot when Andy returns.

  107. comet April 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Jeremy and Donnybrook it is easy to second guess Cashman at this point. Based on last years performance he had to go with Garcia. I wanted him to sign both, meaning Colon as well.

    There are lots of things to criticize Cashman about, but second guessing his every move is a fool`s game. None of us like the Yankees losing except maybe the Hammer and a couple of other posters.

    If the Yankees miss the playoffs for a couple of years and Delin and Manny are busts then we can talk about Cashman being replaced. Remember he has to run a lot of interference to do what he wants to do. Despite having all those dollars to spend he`s locked into two contracts that people above his pay grade in the organization decided. I`m talking about Soriano and ARod. There have been many other moves made by ownership or none baseball people over the years.

    The season is young and the Yankees are plying above .500. Give this thing some time.

  108. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    PS: Anyone have any idea why the Yankees are on TBS?

  109. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Tucker,

    Also don’t forget Garcia is unavailable since he just pitched. You need a long man the next 2-3 days not named Garcia anyway.

  110. charlestonchew April 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    There seems to be a combative nature to discussions today.

    Yes, we lost yesterday because Freddy yet again couldn’t put it together. It made Joe look bad, Cash look bad, pretty much everyone looked bad. But we all feel bad for Freddy and now we have a strike throwing kid in the mix to turn it around. We know Hughes stuff is in the realm of Phelps’ stuff, so we should not be too concerned.

    I think we need to look at the positives (as the beginning of the thread started out…).

    CC is pitching today, after all, and our offense found a way to rally yesterday against some very tough pitching. And it has been doing that consistently all year.

  111. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “There are lots of things to criticize Cashman about, but second guessing his every move is a fool`s game.”

    Yup, criticize the big moves, the track record, and his inability to carry out his plan. Marginal moves don’t matter, and he has largely been pretty good with them, but that’s mot much consolation.

  112. comet April 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Rich NJ, totally agree.

  113. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Nothing can be done about the “higher ups” making bad decisions. Cashman can be shown the door, though after just being retained, that is highly unlikely. The Delin and Manny routine, smacks of Hughes and Chamberlain back when Johan Santana was offered up. ANOTHER Cashman gaffe.

  114. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    I think if you evaluate Cashman has a GM you discount his role with the dynasty teams just like you discount his early 2000′s. He didn’t really have power until after that 2005 season.

    So you’re talking about 2006-2012.

    They made the playoffs every season except one and won a WS, reaching the ALCS twice. Their payroll is decreasing and he almost single handedly has rebuild the farm system to the point where not only do we have players performing in NY, but also all over the country on other teams.

    So he has made the farm system a strength, he has young talent on the team, he found an ace we were missing for years and NY still owns the Red Sox again.

    Is he the best? No, that’s probably Friedman because he does almost as much with far less. But for anyone to say Cashman is a bad GM or he should be fired, isn’t really doing their homework comparing this franchise to what it was right before he took power to what it is now and its outlook for the future.

  115. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Donny, there is no way on earth you can say you wanted Johan in hindsight given what has happened with him with the Mets. Especially since if you have Johan, you don’t have CC.

  116. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    That and not including Cano in any trades when he was sought after are some of the best non-trades in Cashman’s tenure.

  117. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Vince

    I’ve been watching baseball for a long while so why don’t you stop with the condescending know it all attitude. I don’t agree with your premise that Garcia will be better in the pen. His stuff does not translate there and he can’t get hitters out in general. You using Hughes and Chamberlain as examples of success from starter to reliever shows you are wrong because they are not junk ballers trying to fool hitters.

  118. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    If your reason is Garcia is done because he’s not the ace he was years ago and you can’t look back as far as 2011 to see his use, than I’m sorry if I mistakened you for someone who has not watched baseball as far back as 2011.

    I’m not comparing Hughes and Chamberlain to Garcia in terms of what they throw, I’m stating it’s a lot easier to have success in the bullpen than the rotation. Hence why relievers are considered “failed” starters.

    It’s silly to assume since Garcia struggled for one month as a starter, he is now useless to all of MLB baseball magically. And for 4 million dollars and given what he contributed last year and given there is no trustworthy replacement at the moment, letting Garcia pitch in low pressure games isn’t really anything but a smart move, both for the roster and from a business sense. If he continues to struggle the next two weeks when Andy is ready, then we can talk about cutting/trading/or doing whatever else with him.

  119. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Um, Cano was offered in trades. Luckily, Arizona didn’t want him.

    Anything of note in pregame show on YES?

  120. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Randy, a store after my own heart. If you really like turmeric you should find yourself some Singapore noodles or create your own dish. Some Malaysian restaurants make it wonderfully, but others go for the greasier downscale version. I go to a Malaysian restaurant near where I live that makes the best Singapore Noodles I have ever had. Addictive. My other weakness is ginger-cardamom tea made with young ginger and very fresh cardamom pods.

  121. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Comet
    Okay I agree that criticizing his marginal moves is a bridge too far.

  122. randy l. April 29th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    ‘What up Randy….where you been?”

    blake-

    been busy with my business and traveling between maine and cape cod.

    …also wanted to watch blog react to pineda news without my influence.

    … kind of let it sink in before reacting. there’s a tipping point quality of the whole pineda/montero trade that has been there from the beginning.

    to understand tipping points, sometimes watching is the best way to go to really see what’s going on.

    i had an interesting convergence of events with meeting neil allen before a durham game in pawtucket last week and having him give me a lesson on breaking the hands and linking that to a simultaneous knee movement that links the upper body and the lower body so they are in sync. he was doing this after i told him i was coaching an 11 year old pitching in little league. neil has a 12 year old , so he said above all else do this drill.

    i was thinking afterward driving to cape cod that night about what bothered my eyes when i first saw video of pineda. i realized that the thing that looked wrong to my eyes with pineda had to do with this breaking the hands/ raising the knee drill that neil told me was critical to having the upper half and lower half in sync.

    pineda spins open with his left side with the arm dragging behind i think because of this out of sync timing. it makes sense it would put huge stress on the shoulder. i don’t now enough to know why something doesn’t look right to me with a pitcher, but i could see right away that pineda’s motion didn’t look right to my eye.

    i still need to have neil explain the linkage of breaking the hands and raising the knee to me better. i’m going to do some reading on it to come up to speed and then get back to him with some better questions.

  123. DONNYBROOK April 29th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Kemp straight-up for Cano? I would make that deal.

  124. austinmac April 29th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Cabrera kills CC. I agree he should be pitched around. The right field stand is too close. He doesn’t even need to hit it well.

  125. Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Vince I said that he is not the pitcher he was years ago and not even the pitcher he was last year. He is a junk baller who has no command of the split with even lower velocity. Maybe you should pay attention to what I said and what I’ve said in previous posts regarding Garcia.

    Stop trying to paint me as some Johnny come lately.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock April 29th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    Vince

    I’ve been watching baseball for a long while so why don’t you stop with the condescending know it all attitude. I don’t agree with your premise that Garcia will be better in the pen. His stuff does not translate there and he can’t get hitters out in general. You using Hughes and Chamberlain as examples of success from starter to reliever shows you are wrong because they are not junk ballers trying to fool hitters.
    ///

    I think it’s fairly common knowledge by now that Cano was offered to Arizona for RJ, but the Diamondbacks said no:

    “Canó was nearly traded two other times by the Yankees in its attempts to obtain Carlos Beltrán from the Kansas City Royals, which was never realized, and Randy Johnson from the Arizona Diamondbacks. Even though the later deal was made, Canó was not part of it because he was rejected by the Diamondbacks.”

    http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s.....7&p=4

  127. Against All Odds April 29th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    The non Santana move was the right thing to do

  128. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Jeremy April 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    Dude Garcia is done. He has a bag of tricks to fool hitters and he has finally run out. He is not the same pitcher he was years ago because if he was he would be a front line starter.

    Your words, not mine.

    Garcia is done, he has run out and he is not the same pitcher he was “years” ago.

    As in, he’s finished in MLB and he is not the same pitcher he was years ago.

    As in, you couldn’t refer to 2011 whatsoever and you think he’s done because for one month, he struggled as a starter.

    Nothing I said is painting you anything other than what your own words imply. And I think I paid plenty of attention to what you had to say.

    The dude is throwing 5MPH less with his fb and is hanging his splitter. Those aren’t career ending issues when it’s a span of four starts in cold weather to start a season. And it demonstrates nothing to the fact we don’t know how he will do in the bullpen. Agree to disagree.

  129. Vince April 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Yeah Alfred,

    That was deceiving and I worded it poorly. It’s not so much a credit to Cashman since he initiated it, but it was indeed one of the better non-trades in his tenture, right there with Santana.

  130. randy l. April 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    “I go to a Malaysian restaurant near where I live that makes the best Singapore Noodles I have ever had. Addictive. My other weakness is ginger-cardamom tea made with young ginger and very fresh cardamom pods.”

    yankeefeminista-

    you’re making me hungry

    i’ll try the singapore noodles
    tea sounds good too :)

  131. yankeefeminista April 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Randy, I am making me hungry as well.

  132. charlestonchew April 29th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    See the way Cano got mad at himself and twitched bc he didn’t stay back?

    I’m thinking grand slam.

  133. charlestonchew April 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Aw, man.

    Well, we got a lot of free baserunners and runs that inning. Gotta feel bad for Scherzer.

  134. charlestonchew April 29th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    I’m a big fan of Ibanez’s approach at the plate. He’s patient and he doesn’t seem to let anything get to him. It’s like he erases a bad call or a missed opportunity and comes at everything anew with each pitch.

    Not a bad platoon player. Not a bad regular player, either. I don’t think he has proven himself yet, but he could threaten Brett Gardner’s job if he gets hot over the next week.

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