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Garcia: “What are they supposed to do?”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Freddy Garcia didn’t make a convincing argument on the field, and he didn’t try to make one in the clubhouse either.

“When you don’t do your job, what are they supposed to do?” Garcia said late this morning, not long after the Yankees finalized their decision to demote him into the bullpen. “That’s what happened. They’re honest. I don’t pitch the way I was supposed to pitch. It’s reality.”

That reality became impossible to deny after four starts, during which the Yankees gave Garcia the benefit of the doubt after last year’s success and this spring’s impressive results. Back-to-back starts that ended in the second inning, though, were too much to ignore.

“Sometimes you can go and try to find a way to fix things down in the bullpen,” manager Joe Girardi said. “It happens for a lot of guys, so we’ll put him down there as a long man, and we’ll make sure he gets some work, and we’ll try to get him back to where he wants to be.”

To this point, Garcia hasn’t been where he wants to be — or where the Yankees need him to be — and he couldn’t argue with their decision to move him elsewhere.

“When you play here, you play in New York, they expect you to pitch good,” Garcia said. “It’s not like when you pitch somewhere else. We play to win here. We don’t play to develop a player. Everybody here knows how to play. They don’t wait for anybody to (play better). One day, they’ll be good? No. If you’re good, you’re good, you know? It’s not like they wait for you to be good. That’s not how it works here.”

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61 Responses to “Garcia: “What are they supposed to do?””

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    repost:

    Finished perusing the posts, well really kind of speed-reading them, so of course I missed some context I’m sure. But on some of the topics that were discussed, I’d like to add my two cents, FWTW – and I’m sure there would be some (many?) who’d say not much! But that’s never deterred me before. :)

    1. If I had to have either defense OR offense in my catcher, I’d take defense 7 days of the week. If I could have both, well then that’s awesome. If one has to take the back seat to the other, offense will always be the one to take the back seat. I liked reading someone say that they felt Stewart was a good choice, that he was better defensively than Cervelli and also added some offense. That works for me. Give me the better D all the time.

    2. I’m starting to think more and more that muwarriors is an iteration of that Sux fan who’s had 100 different identities – and probably finally figured out that the fastest way to get ushered off here is to act the way he acts AND have a Sux screenname. I think he was once ER but then went to Ruby Red Sux and a variety of other names. Remember that multiple’s modus operandi is to every once-in-a while throw a pretend bouquet at a Yankee player but then follow it up with reams and reams of trashing. Take a bow “muwarriors”.

    3. You know Hebrew Hammer’s an “old soul” definitely of the West Coast Sux Fan genre. Pretty quick read to think to send Chad posts to try to get someone banned. Geeze I had to hang here a good long while before I knew that people even did that kind of thing. Also though, you have to be really dim to goad a person and then try to send off their posts as bannable. Welcome back (well not really) West Coast Sux Fan. Hope your stay is good and short!

    4. If your pitcher gives up 2 runs, you need how many to win the game? (Hint: the answer is 3). Don’t get all twisted if there are ducks left on the pond, especially after your offense has been singlehandedly handing you win after win after win. When your offense is near the top of the heap in offense in the majors, be gracious on the days when they show they’re actually – yes, you’ve got it – men, not machines.

    Happy that the Yanks made the moves they did. Hoping that Phil doesn’t get another start, but if he does and screws up, hope that Joe has a quick hook and puts it one of our new acquisitions – and then does something about Phil, be it a trip to AAA, Tampa – or different pastures.

    :)

  2. LGY April 29th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    @karlravechespn: michael Young is like the Steve Nash of baseball..incredibly reliable and consistent

    This guy can’t be serious.

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    “When you play here, you play in New York, they expect you to pitch good,” Garcia said. “It’s not like when you pitch somewhere else. We play to win here. We don’t play to develop a player. Everybody here knows how to play. They don’t wait for anybody to (play better). One day, they’ll be good? No. If you’re good, you’re good, you know? It’s not like they wait for you to be good. That’s not how it works here.””

    And therein lies the Catch 22. The Yankees AND THEIR IMPATIENT FANS play to win NOW. That basically precludes developing players on the job!

    You cannot have that cake and eat it too kids. So you have to just get over it. Let reality jump in. You can’t biotch up a storm when you don’t like the way the games are going and then become the Joan or John of Arc about giving guys a chance, letting them learn on the job.

    So if what you are after is better player development down below, so that they’re ready to get tje job done when they arrive, then things have to improve down below, si? It ain’t changing in the Bronx.

  4. Bo knows April 29th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Re Post

    Its actually amazing that the Yanks are 12-9 right now with the schedule they have played and with the starting pitching they’ve gotten…..its a testament to how good their bullpen is and also just their pedigree as a winning club…..now is the time to start making progress without the schedule softening and hopefully the pitching improving.

    ——————————-
    Joe has done a good job managing this team. Don’t give me pedigree as a winning club, we’re not talking horses here. Girardi, Pena and Rothschild put the BP together including Rapada, Eppley and Phelps, they’ve been great. Robertson was behind, breaking ST and they built up his innings – today he was throwing mid nineties.

    It’s Politically Incorrect to say Joe has done and continues to do a good job?

  5. Nick in SF April 29th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    I think Girardi is considered one of the conspirators in the Assassination of Jesus, so that trumps game results.

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Bo – it’s also a testament to how strong the offense actually is since they had to put up all the runs that SP gave up in order to win!

    I don’t know if it has anything to do with being PC. I think it’s more taking your life in your hands in the face of the angry hoardes who are less than happy with a variety of things.

    I admit that I’ve been uneasy with the starting rotation and started to become antsy. But after seeing the moves that were taken, I am feeling much better about things.

    I too think Joe has done and continues to do a good job. If he makes mistakes, it probably proves that he’s human, much like all the other managers. Where he has a step up is managing under the huge spotlight in the Bronx and already having pulled off a World Series. I think the guy is sincere and bright, and I think he manages well.

  7. UnKnown April 29th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Sounds like Garcia gets what the deal is from the quotes above.

  8. Bo knows April 29th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    I think Girardi is considered one of the conspirators in the Assassination of Jesus, so that trumps game results.

    —————
    Sorry lost my head for a moment there. Let reality get in the way of fiction. What was I thinking? Gotta work on that. Let’s see now, Vinegar – check, spikes – check, thorns – thorns?.

    Hold it, hold it – wrong script.

  9. blake April 29th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    “Don’t give me pedigree as a winning club”

    veteran teams know how to win games….sometimes how to win games they shouldn’t win…..the Yanks have a lot of guys that have been winning games for a long time and I certainly think it helps them over the course of a long season.

  10. superSwishion April 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Do you guys really think that Rondo is going to be suspended?

    Dont be foolish.

    The broadcasters were already making excuses, saying he tripped over his foot.

    It was clear he bumped the referee, he has a history of it, was suspended earlier this year for throwing a ball at the referee, and there’s no justification for laying a body part on a referee. BUT, Im sure David Stern and the league will find a way to let him get away with it.

  11. Bo knows April 29th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Other than Jeter, the guys with the pedigree ie 3,4,5 are sucking slough water.

    Aww Hell, the team skated lightly over treacherous ground in the month of April playing the top teams. I’m glad they came out the other side in reasonably good shape. In this division your SP has to be seven deep, more is better.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Just call me Mr. Cellophane, right Bo?

    :lol:

    LMAO!

    “But I’m not worthy!!!!!”

    Night all.

    :)

  13. Bo knows April 29th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Bo – it’s also a testament to how strong the offense actually is since they had to put up all the runs that SP gave up in order to win!

    ———————–
    I’ll give you that Jeter suddenly got better than in his youth. He’s even faster. Swisher has toned himself down. But watching Teix and Martin at bats still has me reaching for the anti foam meds.

  14. HebrewHammer April 29th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Trisha . I am concerned for you, not worried, just concerned. There’s a lot of places in many cities to find people to socialize with. We are just baseball fans here. It’s not a dating site, or a site to live vicariously thru. That’s the sum of it really. it’s a baseball blog.

    You are actually the worst poster on this blog since all you do is constantly point out why you’re the best poster here and everybody is wrong. Worst of all you post more about non baseball related issues than anybody here. Leave it to a weirdo to do that. Not to mention your baseball knowledge is far less than the average 5 year old playing tee ball. Wow.

    I don’t care if you invented this blog, you should find another place to “make glorious social time” with. All you do daily is humiliate and embarrass yourself. If that is what you are aiming for then. Bravo! Go see a parade or something or a circus. LOL. sheesh woman. Really? How old are you 11 ?

    I know.. here comes your childish tattling and blathering.. sigh. I’ll just pray you work out your issues.

    See ya tomorrow. Goodnight and really, give a call to a loved one will ya?

  15. David in Cal April 29th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    It’s striking that the Yanks have been so successful at building a relief staff, yet relatively unsuccessful at building a starting pitching staff. No doubt luck played a big role. However, I wonder whether anything specific can be identified that helped lead to this result.

    The team has made a lot of mistakes in the area of SPs. In retrospect, they undervalued Kennedy. Perhaps they should have given Chamberlain more chances to start. Signing Garcia this year turned out to be a bad decision. I don’t know whether trading for Pineda was a mistake or just bad luck.

    Does the team lack judgment about how to evaluate and build young SPs? Are there people in baseball who are better in this area than anyone on the Yankee staff?

  16. pongo April 29th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Hammer, how’s your mamma?

  17. yankfan April 30th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    garcia another 4M wasted down the drain this year

    nice job cashman

  18. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    When you kill Cashman for marginal roster moves, you obscure the important mistakes he has made. So try to gain a little perspective.

  19. LGY April 30th, 2012 at 12:17 am

    NBA officials are so bad.

  20. Duh Innings April 30th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Trisha get off your high horse re: Yankee fans being impatient. ‘Really sick of you coming off like you are the end all be all of Yankee reason and fandom. I’ve ignored you for a long time – prepare for me to stop ignoring you if you keep posting about Yankee fans and Lohud posters instead of just talking about the Yankees. Do you really want that?

    Freddy Garcia ran his mouth in spring training about how he should be in the rotation and now he’s eating humble pie as he should. He wanted to be in the rotation, got the job, and did a horrible job, so horrible Cashman and the organization with input from Girardi has removed him from the rotation.

  21. Against All Odds April 30th, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Does the team lack judgment about how to evaluate and build young SPs? Are there people in baseball who are better in this area than anyone on the Yankee staff?

    ——————————————–

    When it comes to SP there seems to be a disconnect. No one doubts that the guys they sign/draft are talented but implementing them into the rotation hasn’t gone as smooth as they probably thought it would. Joba being bounced around, Hughes according to some fans being rushed, etc. They are lacking in the area of development. The handling of pitchers over the past few seasons have left many fans scratching their heads.

    In any walk of life there are going to be ppl that excel in certain areas while others struggle. Switching sports for a second there is a reason why teams like the Steelers and Ravens not only find premium defensive players but develop them as well. There is a reason why the Colts outside of 1 Superbowl run never had a dominating defense but superior offense. Some ppl want to write it off as luck and sure it plays a role but time and time again when mistakes are made it’s not bad luck. They could have individuals that are good at evaluating and developing pitching but the philosophy of those in charge can negate their strengths.

  22. Duh Innings April 30th, 2012 at 12:38 am

    Rich in NJ

    I won’t obscure the important mistakes Cashman made.

    Here are those mistakes:

    - Not re-signing Colon for a year and the paltry $2M the As gave him.

    - Giving Ibanez and Garcia guaranteed contracts to the tune of $5.1M when he should’ve offered them minor-league contracts. Neither had incentive to make the club in spring training because they were getting paid no matter what they did there and it has shown. Ibanez’s defense has contributed to two Yankee losses and he is atrocious in the outfield. Yeah he’s hit some homeruns but he will not last the year as a Yankee if he keeps posting up the BA / OBP part of his slashline especially if his SLG declines.

    - Trading Montero and Noesi for Pineda. I like Pineda but did not like the trade at all.

    - Signing Kuroda for $10M.

    Montero should’ve been the DH and the rotation to start the season should’ve been Sabathia / Nova / Hughes / Colon/ Noesi. Petitte still could’ve been re-signed.

    All Cashman had to do was keep Colon, Montero, and Noesi, instead he blew $10M on Kuroda, $4M on Garcia, and $1.1M on Ibanez fo $15.1M blown on three guys who will not be Yankees next year where two of them may not make it to June (Garcia) or June/July (Ibanez.)
    He has general managed like an idiot and the whole thing with him and his alleged extorionist / stalker mistress and the divorce his wife filed for because of her and his serial philandering are one of the big reasons why. His mind was clouded by off the field stuff he created as his mistress never approached him in a hotel lobby to pick him up and his wife never cheated on him.

    If the Yanks get swept or win only one game in the ALDS or ALCS, Cashman and Girardi should be fired. Enough is enough.

  23. muwarriorsfan April 30th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    “I’m starting to think more and more that muwarriors is an iteration of that Sux fan who’s had 100 different identities – and probably finally figured out that the fastest way to get ushered off here is to act the way he acts AND have a Sux screenname. I think he was once ER but then went to Ruby Red Sux and a variety of other names.”

    100% wrong and, again, the IP addresses can be checked.

    Trisha is one weird woman.

  24. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:49 am

    Obviously, the major trade of the season was reckless (and he has made horrible trades for starting pitchers and has been unable to develop them as well), but why was Kuroda a bad move?

  25. Jerkface April 30th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    No way Kuroda is a bad deal. 1 year deal for a pitcher that has succeeded very well the past 3 years.

  26. pkyankfan69 April 30th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Duh Innings,

    I agree with almost everything you said except for Kuroda being a bad signing.
    I still think he puts up 15+ wins for the Yanks this year despite his inconsistent start.

    I also don’t think Girardi really deserves to be on the hot seat either.
    Cashman may have in fact earned that right though.

    To look on the bright side the Yanks finally reached the soft part of the schedule:
    Upcoming series against:

    Balt
    KC
    TB
    Sea
    Balt
    Tor
    Cincy
    KC
    Oak

    Especially considering Freddy is out and Pettitte will be available shortly, the Yanks should go on a nice little run in May.

  27. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Against All Odds April 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    JOE: we tell all our catchers your first job is defense

    Against All Odds April 29th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
    Yes he did. A reporter asked him about Stewart calling a good game and if him swinging the bat well is a plus. Joe replied by saying what I posted and then added doesn’t matter if you hit 24 HRs….100 RBIs.
    __

    If AAO got this right from Girardi’s postgame, he is the wrong person for the job.

  28. Ruby Red Sock April 30th, 2012 at 1:40 am

    Nice outing by CC today, even better sending Freddy to the pen, he got what he deserved and acknowledged it.

  29. CompassRosy April 30th, 2012 at 2:08 am

    “To look on the bright side the Yanks finally reached the soft part of the schedule:
    Upcoming series against:

    Balt
    KC
    TB
    Sea
    Balt
    Tor
    Cincy
    KC
    Oak”

    ~

    - the 7 teams the Yanks have coming up have gone a combined 79-76
    - the 7 teams the Yanks have already faced have gone a combined 78-74

    just sayin’

  30. Nick in SF April 30th, 2012 at 2:27 am

    “the 7 teams the Yanks have coming up have gone a combined 79-76″

    Yeah, but they haven’t (all) played the Yankees yet.

    “the 7 teams the Yanks have already faced have gone a combined 78-74″

    Yeah, but they had to play the Yankees.

  31. Ruby Wednesday April 30th, 2012 at 2:43 am

    Duh Innings April 30th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    True dat ! !

  32. Pat M. April 30th, 2012 at 2:55 am

    Yanks go on a roll and win 30 of the next 42 games or so and will establish themselves as THE club to beat in the AL Eastern Division…………..Take a 3-4 game lead and never really look back……Come July Cashman will have identified the areas that are to be strengthen and go from their…….The Loss of Michael Pineda does leave a void as we run into September and especially October…..Yanks are a 100 win club

  33. bardos April 30th, 2012 at 3:48 am

    >>Pat M. April 30th, 2012 at 2:55 am
    >>Yanks go on a roll and win 30 of the next 42 games or so…

    Nice, maybe so…

    But if you’re into it, we could smoke that stuff together.

  34. darbodla April 30th, 2012 at 4:24 am

    I’m going to agree with the comments above. Trisha is without a doubt the worst poster here and I’m embarrassed she calls herself a Yankee fan. One had to wonder why a woman who is in her sixties (if she is to be believed) can spend so much time engaged in hostilities and childish posturing on a sports blog. How sad.

  35. blake April 30th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    The Orioles have been in first place long enough…..time to sweep them and knock them back down to earth.

  36. blake April 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    The Yanks are 12-9 with the 2nd worst starting pitching ERA in baseball…..I guess that’s a good thing because it has to get better.

  37. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Good morning Blake-

    This is an interesting article on Hughes after his last outing that he has become too predictable.

    “In his four starts of the 2012 season, Phil Hughes‘ best offspeed pitch has been his changeup, yet with 89 two strike counts in his favor, he’s thrown only 3 changeups.”

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....ikes-40797

    Is some of that predictability the fault of the catcher, Martin, or has Hughes been shaking him off in those counts?

  38. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    It’s not nearly as pathetic as the punk who continues to return to LoHud under different monikers because he was banned several months ago due to his behavior.

    Those who live in glass houses……

  39. blake April 30th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Trader,

    Morning……I actually think Phil’s CU is his best secondary pitch right now……it would be a good third pitch for him if he had a better breaking ball….

  40. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Obviously, not everything is perfect in Yankeeland but they did manage to play fairly well overall during a very tough stretch.

    Now they should be able to separate themselves a bit against a soft part of the schedule.

  41. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Baltimore right now is no pushover. Their team ERA is remarkably 3.06, earning them 7th place in the entire league, and they are in the top 3 in homers hit so far.

    2012 mlb team stats:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching

  42. blake April 30th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    May schedule is very favorable….hopefully the pitching gets better and they can get on a nice little roll here.

  43. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    The Yankees starting pitching needs to improve, or there will be no soft part of the schedule this month. Look at Oaklands team ERA, 8th in the league so far. How do they do that after trading away and losing to injury their entire starting staff this offseason?

    Now the subtraction of Garcia from the rotation will help the starting pitchers ERA, I hope.

  44. sunny615 April 30th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    How does someone just lose 5-6 mph off their fastball? It has to be an injury of some sort. Why don’t they just run some precautionary scans/mri’s and make sure it’s not something similar to what Hughes had last year?

  45. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Sunny-

    If you are talking about Garcia, I agree. His velocity was 74-84 the last two outings. Of course it’s a very small sample size, when you can’t get out of the 2nd inning. :)

    Maybe the Yankees are exploring trade opportunities for him and don’t want to ruin those chances be putting him thru a battery of tests, when he has said that physicallly he feels fine?

  46. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    The Orioles are just pretenders and are still the worst team in the division.

    They just don’t have the horses to sustain their early success.

  47. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Should the Yankees be exploring a trade, even with the return of Pettitte in about two weeks, or FA signing[Oswalt] if:

    Garcia is released, and
    Hughes is sent back to the minors.

    If that happens their cushion is Phelps, Mitchell and Warren

  48. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    GF-

    The Orioles do have two players that I wouldn’t mind see playing for the Yankees someday-Adam Jones and Matt Wieters.

  49. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Granderson insists his timing is off. Article from NJ.com just released a few minutes ago:

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._goes.html

  50. Against All Odds April 30th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Against All Odds April 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    JOE: we tell all our catchers your first job is defense

    Against All Odds April 29th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
    Yes he did. A reporter asked him about Stewart calling a good game and if him swinging the bat well is a plus. Joe replied by saying what I posted and then added doesn’t matter if you hit 24 HRs….100 RBIs.
    __

    If AAO got this right from Girardi’s postgame, he is the wrong person for the job.

    ———————————-

    http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....id=5869378

    There is the video from the post game. It starts at 1:57-2:38

    Below is another quote

    “I tell our catchers offense is second save runs for me”

  51. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    “No longer can the Yankees say they’re waiting on Michael Pineda, as he’s been lost for the season to a shoulder injury. There’s Pettitte, who nears 40 and was not lights out in Trenton last Wednesday, and a whole lot of question marks, including the man who was sent to the bullpen yesterday, saying, “I don’t know. Is there a role for me? I’ll just have to wait.”

    “Remember, there’s a new urgency in baseball to win division titles. The Yankees won’t mess around with starters who aren’t keeping them in games — not in a division like the American League East — where it could take 95-100 victories to win the division.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....incart_mrt

  52. Game of Inches April 30th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    I’m not so much worried about Granderson, as I am Teix (especially LH) and Hughes.

    Teix needs to stay after class for extra tutoring with Kevin Long and attend the Curtis Granderson School of Getting My Stroke Back, and Hughes needs a detention in AAA – you’re not coming out young man until you get your secondary pitches back. Right now he’s useless as a SP and there’s no place for him in the BP.

  53. Game of Inches April 30th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Against All Odds April 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    JOE: we tell all our catchers your first job is defense

    Against All Odds April 29th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
    Yes he did. A reporter asked him about Stewart calling a good game and if him swinging the bat well is a plus. Joe replied by saying what I posted and then added doesn’t matter if you hit 24 HRs….100 RBIs.
    __

    If AAO got this right from Girardi’s postgame, he is the wrong person for the job.

    ———————————-

    http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi…..id=5869378

    There is the video from the post game. It starts at 1:57-2:38

    Below is another quote

    “I tell our catchers offense is second save runs for me”

    So In Girardi’s world Posada is what? Off the team?

    SMMFH. Have Joe follow Brian out the door please. Enough.

  54. Game of Inches April 30th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Should have said Posada **would have been** what

  55. Against All Odds April 30th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Probably lol

    JAP’s head is going to explode

  56. MTU April 30th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Good morning.

    I like the Phelps move. Let’s find out what he’s got.

    Can’t be worse than what Freddy has been doing.

    Hughes had better pull it together soon.

  57. MTU April 30th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    There’s a new one ————–>

  58. disco stu April 30th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    “Should the Yankees be exploring a trade, even with the return of Pettitte in about two weeks, or FA signing[Oswalt] if:

    Garcia is released, and
    Hughes is sent back to the minors.

    If that happens their cushion is Phelps, Mitchell and Warren”

    I think way too much is made of the 5th starter … but in the case of the Yankees during this first month it has become increasingly more problematic that they have not yet found someone is who is half way effective because of how lousy the starting staff has been overall.

    Not just in the lack of quality of the performances but for how bad they have been with being unable to consistenly provide any length each turn thru the rotation (CC notwithstanding, of course).

    Maybe Kuroda will start giving us more length as he settles in … would sure help. But for all of his good karma, Nova has a hard time getting to 7th inning and Hughes/Garcia were a disaster in April … the bullpen needs a couple of games each week where they can essentially take the night off otherwise they will be fried by the All Star Break.

    Once Andy gets here, if the 5th starter spot is still a black hole, I think the Yankees should consider going to a 4 man rotation (CC, Kuroda, Andy, Nova). CC is a horse so he would probably love getting more opportunities to pitch … as far as the other 3 are concerned, you keep their innings down to no more than 6 per start and have as many as 3 long men who can come in during the middle innings and finish the blowouts (either winning or losing) … it would keep the situational and late inning relievers more slotted in their roles and would help avoid them being overused.

    I would rather they do something like this than throw away games because the back end of the rotation cant get out of the 3rd inning each turn thru the rotation, which in turn, kills the bullpen.

  59. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Should the Yankees be exploring a trade, even with the return of Pettitte in about two weeks, or FA signing[Oswalt] if:

    Garcia is released, and
    Hughes is sent back to the minors.

    If that happens their cushion is Phelps, Mitchell and Warren
    ————–
    Also:
    “In his four starts of the 2012 season, Phil Hughes‘ best offspeed pitch has been his changeup, yet with 89 two strike counts in his favor, he’s thrown only 3 changeups.”

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/…..ikes-40797

    Is some of that predictability the fault of the catcher, Martin, or has Hughes been shaking him off in those counts?

  60. sunny615 April 30th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Maybe the Yankees are exploring trade opportunities for him and don’t want to ruin those chances be putting him thru a battery of tests, when he has said that physicallly he feels fine?

    ///

    Trader – I’m not sure that makes sense because I don’t see how his trade value could get much lower. A 2 inning starter cannot have much value. I would think that getting him right and determining the issue would at least go much quicker if they would get him all sorted out and then trade him when he can establish some value.

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Something REALLY important


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