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Pitching matchups vs. Orioles

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (1-3, 4.38)
vs.
RHP Jason Hammel (3-0, 1.73)
7:05 p.m. YES Network

Tuesday
RHP Phil Hughes (1-3, 7.88)
vs.
LHP Brian Matusz (0-3, 5.66)
7:05 p.m. YES Network

Wednesday
RHP Ivan Nova (3-0, 5.18)
vs.
RHP Jake Arrieta (1-2, 4.45)
7:05 p.m. YES Network and ESPN

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206 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. Orioles”

  1. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Hey, I’m not piling onto on Cahsman, I’m just saying:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....e_log.html

  2. MTU April 30th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Nova on ESPN Weds.

    I like.

    :)

  3. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    resposts:

    yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    BD, Cash said he reads the blog comments; I don’t have a quote and don’t know how regularly he reads them.

    yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    “meaning there is a lot of luck involved in developing a #1 guy if you’re not getting shots at the very top talent in the draft.”

    Blake, because we drafted low that is why our philosophy was to draft high ceiling/high risk types but the odds of those types succeeding have to be remote. They were still worth the risk though.

  4. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    *reposts, I meant :)

  5. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Randy, in AA will Dellin and Manny in the late part of season we really did make them work on fb command. We barely had Dellin throw any other pitches in later stages. So, that was a good thing. But I am not sure to what extend we do that and if there is a philosophy in place across the board aside for the individual approaches to respective pitchers. I also wonder about how early the changeup is implemented. Seems like pitchers who don’t have one often randomly learn one vs. there being a philosophy as to when it should be introduced and how much it should be thrown. It appears that is almost up to the individual pitcher. I remember when Rothschild was with Rays he pounded using the changeup in the minor leagues.

  6. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    *with Dellin and Manny (I need more matcha to wake me up!!)

  7. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    igotid, updated weather for Hughes game tomorrow night should be excellent.

  8. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “Blake, because we drafted low that is why our philosophy was to draft high ceiling/high risk types but the odds of those types succeeding have to be remote. They were still worth the risk though.”

    Sure….but given the high risk involved its not that surprisingly that they haven’t had a #1 type guy pan out yet…..

    Sabathia, Kershaw, Lincecum, Cain, Hamels, Halladay, Bumgardner, Price, Strasburg, Beckett, Greinke, Verlander….etc…..all picked before the Yanks ever had a pick.

  9. randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    “I guess if he’s read them at all he’s we’ll aware of the population that want him fired, stoned, killed (yes, there was one troll that went that far), etc.”

    BD-

    my position on cashman is that i’d like him to slide sideways in the organization.

    i don’t think one guy should have the power he has, but at the same time i think he has a lot of valuable experience that i’d like to stay in the organization if possible. lots of organizations bump gms up or sideways.

    i think the yankees have gotten kind of stale at the management level because hal took some time to come up to speed as an owner when george left. cashman was delegated a lot of responsibility that may have been necessary then, but isn’t now.

    time to do a management upgrade or at least a tune up..

  10. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    I heard from a friend’s friend’s cousin’s driver who sits in the Bleachers that Brian Cashman’s son threw so many quarters at Austin Jackson during yesterday’s game, that Jackson hesitated just for a second, costing him the Granderson HR catch.

  11. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    That Tuesday matchup is a battle of failed potential.

  12. sunny615 April 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Time to knock them O’s back to the cellar.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    IIRC, Cashman said he reads the blogs and that he wouldn’t dismiss an idea from a blog if he thought it was a good one.

  14. Tackelberry April 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Charleston leading 2-0 in the 6th against Hickory. Bryan Mitchell has not allowed a hit through 5. Mason Williams had 1 at bat and then was replaced by Anderson Feliz. Don’t know what happened. Hope he didn’t get hurt

  15. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I don’t disagree. But I think we could have done a better job with Hughes and Joba. As for Bumgarner, if he were our pitcher we likely would not have sent him down in 2010 and probably would have thrown him into the bullpen. And speaking of him, it’s early but I guess he isn’t get the swings and misses on his slider right now and his fb velo is a little down.

  16. sunny615 April 30th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    That Tuesday matchup is a battle of failed potential.
    ///

    Guess that means we get to see who failed the most.

  17. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    “IIRC, Cashman said he reads the blogs and that he wouldn’t dismiss an idea from a blog if he thought it was a good one.”

    There was a Mail Bag post at RAB in like November in response to someone who asked about possibly trading Montero for Pineda.

    :eek:

  18. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    2 at 12:27 pm
    That Tuesday matchup is a battle of failed potential.
    ____
    Both fly ball pitchers in tough home parks, but both still only 25 years old and Matusz seems to have regained some velo FWIW. Hopefully, we jump on Matusz early and give Phil something to work with so he doesn’t have to worry about pitching too fine. However, Baltimore will crush the ball if it is up.

  19. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “I don’t disagree. But I think we could have done a better job with Hughes and Joba. As for Bumgarner, if he were our pitcher we likely would not have sent him down in 2010 and probably would have thrown him into the bullpen”.

    Agree on Bumgardner….Joba always had injury concerns and some questions coming out of college which caused him to fall…Hughes has just been a variety of things which have been well documented ……what the Yanks haven’t had is the ability to draft Justin Verlander with the 2nd pick in the country etc…..

  20. UnKnown April 30th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    Hey, I’m not piling onto on Cahsman, I’m just saying:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c…..e_log.html

    ——-

    Those Colon stats are great, but come July he will be all worn out again. Unfortunately, for Cash, Colon even if washed up by July would’ve given more to the 2012 Yankees then Garcia ended up giving.

    So 2 out of 3 against the Birds. Yankees losing probably the middle game of the series.

    Kuroda needs to start to find some consistency starting tonight. Hammel’s has been good and Kuroda needs to be able to out pitch him.

    It’s time for the starters to pick up the offense a little bit. Exactly what CC did yesterday. That Win was all him.

  21. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    “….Joba always had injury concerns and some questions coming out of college which caused him to fall…”

    Which was why he was a particularly poor candidate to put in the pen at the end of 2007.

    Developing high-end pitchers is hard. Trading for them when you have a ton of resources shouldn’t be so hard.

    Cashman has been poor at both.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Yankeefem – A good thing we saw in LHV was Aldred coming to the mound in the fifth with Dellin having BB’d ‘em up and nearing 100 pitches.

    Instead of taking him with him, he left him out there to get out of that jam, ending it with a beautifully moving fastball that caught Domonic Brown looking (after missing inside on fb, and having two previous curves refuse to break at all).

    Aldred was the guy who had success with Chamberlain, had Nova on his watch while he fine-tuned his slider, and Phelps-Mitchell-Warren most recently. I give Aldred credit for understanding that Betances does have some Pettitte in him; he digs down and finds that pitch to get out of dodge, but they were not allowing that in Trenton once he was upon the magic pitch count number. Maybe Aldred has a little more autonomy, since it’s the last step in the minors. That would make some sense (wouldn’t know as I don’t get out to Scranton games).

    In any case, I give Aldred credit for intuiting that the kid had enough left to get out of it, and that those kinds of situations are the ones that will help these guys grow the most. He said, ‘here – you finish it,’ and that’s what he did.

    Aldred was passed over for Yankee PC in favor of Rothschild, but maybe he’s exactly where he needs to be to help these kids most. Not his fault, for example, that Joba was never sent back to him, and that he was the one who could reach him best. Who knows what might have happened, while Eiland was spinning his wheels on him?

  23. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Bryan Mitchell just lost his no hitter with Charleston. His control got a little shakey in the 5th inning with a walk and a base runner safe on and an error. In the 6th, 2 walks and the first hit have bases loaded and no outs.

    Just gave up a 2 run double and third run scored on a throwing error on relay by Culver.

    3-2 Hickory over Charleston. austin is 1-2 with an RBI single.

  24. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    There is one ace of a staff that the Yankees did draft in the first round…..he’s just with another team.

  25. ac1 April 30th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    That Tuesday matchup is a battle of failed potential.
    ///

    Guess that means we get to see who failed the most.

    ____

    I almost wish they would do a straight up trade with Matusz for Hughes.
    New scenery for both.
    I still think Matusz has potential and he is a lefty.
    O’s would never do that but for the sake of thinking….

  26. ac1 April 30th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    There is one ace of a staff that the Yankees did draft in the first round…..he’s just with another team.

    ___

    I doubt Kennedy would be having that success pitching for the Yankees.
    He is perfect for the NL West, pitchers ball parks, no DH, few power threats that see him on a regular basis…

  27. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Mason Williams jammed his shoulder making a diving catch in left center yesterday.

  28. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Bryan Mitchell is one pitcher whose fb command has improved a lot and his stuff is electric.

    Tackel, are you listening to broadcast?

  29. ac1 April 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    So 2 out of 3 against the Birds. Yankees losing probably the middle game of the series.

    ___

    Yankees have pounded Matusz every time they see him, so Hughes still has a chance…

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    “IIRC, Cashman said he reads the blogs and that he wouldn’t dismiss an idea from a blog if he thought it was a good one.”

    There was a Mail Bag post at RAB in like November in response to someone who asked about possibly trading Montero for Pineda.
    ///

    LOL

  31. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Gammons on the radio

    “There’s not a manager in baseball that their players trust more than Don Mattingly…..they play their souls out for him”

  32. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    or GB? Are you getting a broadcast from the Dogs online station? I couldn’t get any sound.

  33. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    “I doubt Kennedy would be having that success pitching for the Yankees.”

    He wouldn’t have a 2 ERA but he’d still ne really good……he’s a good pitcher…..he’d still be a good pitcher in the AL east.

  34. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Blake, Gammons reads the blog and is trying to rub it in.

  35. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    “I doubt Kennedy would be having that success pitching for the Yankees.”

    He wouldn’t have a 2 ERA but he’d still ne really good……he’s a good pitcher…..he’d still be a good pitcher in the AL east.
    ___
    Agree. It is convenient to say IPK wouldn’t be able to pitch in the AL East, but it is bull.

  36. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “Blake, Gammons reads the blog and is trying to rub it in.”

    Lol probably..

  37. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “I doubt Kennedy would be having that success pitching for the Yankees.”

    If he received a sustained opportunity, he would pitch very well. There is nothing magical about pitching here, except patience and instruction. Now, maybe the instruction isn’t good?

  38. ac1 April 30th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    He wouldn’t have a 2 ERA but he’d still ne really good……he’s a good pitcher…..he’d still be a good pitcher in the AL east.

    ___

    I’ll agree he couldnt possibly be worse than Garcia or Hughes have been….

  39. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Once again, I’m the keeper of the Donnie Baseball flame:

    only one of the top 10 moments in the histroy of the old YS-
    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

  40. MTU April 30th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Randy-

    Where ya’ been ?

  41. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Bryan Mitchell is one pitcher whose fb command has improved a lot and his stuff is electric.

    Tackel, are you listening to broadcast?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Mitchell seems to run out of gas around the 5th/6th inning. He doesn’t have a lot of innings in, do, that may be part of his problem. He’s only got 122 innings since signing in June of 2009.

    Ugly inning with 6 runs. Ben Paulis blew the game open for the 2nd day in a row.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    “I doubt Kennedy would be having that success pitching for the Yankees.”

    He wouldn’t have a 2 ERA but he’d still ne really good……he’s a good pitcher…..he’d still be a good pitcher in the AL east.
    ///

    I agree in terms of talent, but wasn’t the PC in Arizona responsible for finding something mechanically that caused a positive change? Don’t know what it was, but apparently it never occurred to Dave Eiland. Seemed like Kennedy had the aneurism and then was gone.

  43. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    “Aldred was passed over for Yankee PC in favor of Rothschild, but maybe he’s exactly where he needs to be to help these kids most. Not his fault, for example, that Joba was never sent back to him, and that he was the one who could reach him best. Who knows what might have happened, while Eiland was spinning his wheels on him?”

    This suggestion George Steinbrenner-esque, but maybe he understood something about the unconventional environment in NY.

    Would about two pitching coaches (or give them different titles for the sake of appearances), one for veterans and one for kids.

  44. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Kennedy had 1.95 era and sub 1 WHIP in 248 minor leagues innings with the Yankees…..he was always really good but because he got roughed up a bit in NY as a 22 yearcold he was written off as an “NL pitcher”…..Yankee fans still talk about him like that and then at the same time wonder why they can’t develop pitching…..

  45. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    YankeeFem, go to the Hickory site to get the game.

  46. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    randy

    It may pain some people here, but randy has been proved right on a number of recent issues.

  47. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    “I doubt Kennedy would be having that success pitching for the Yankees.”

    If he received a sustained opportunity, he would pitch very well. There is nothing magical about pitching here, except patience and instruction. Now, maybe the instruction isn’t good?
    ____
    Also a precision pitcher needs to be given more than 10 minutes to figure out the mlb strike zone. IPK was very close on many pitches that didn’t get called strikes, but either still needed to slightly refine some of them or got squeezed and therefore had to adjust. Had he been given a little time, he would likely have made those necessary adjustments. Plus we preferred the power arms over IPK’s…

  48. Tackelberry April 30th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Bryan Mitchell is one pitcher whose fb command has improved a lot and his stuff is electric.

    Tackel, are you listening to broadcast?

    ________________________________________________

    I was but lost the feed and can’t get it back. Anyway, looks like roof caved in on Mitchell in the 6th. Walk, single, single 3 run double and he’s out of the game. 6 run inning for Hickory

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    If it were Campos, instead of Mitchell, who had a no hitter going, there’d be universal internet buzz about it.

  50. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Thanks, GB. Did they giving any details on Mitchell’s pitches?

  51. hardwired7 April 30th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Yeah for Brian Matusz tomorrow!

    The Yanks hit him like a piñata (minus the blindfold).

  52. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    I think the only thing they changed with Kennedy was that they got him extending a little more so he was releasing the ball closer to home plate….staying closed a little better….its impossible to know if he would have developed the same and been AS good in NY…..but he was a good pitcher before he left…..

  53. Cashmoney April 30th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    what the Yanks haven’t had is the ability to draft Justin Verlander with the 2nd pick in the country etc…..

    if we finish with worst record we can… I am not absolutely sure but it seem to me the new CBA effectively put away the Yanks ability to throw money at multiple high ceiling high risk players. this might be a foreign idea since 96, but with money tied up in aging players, a seemingly set budget in 14 and limited inflow of talents both via IFA & amateur draft under the new CBA… perhaps it’s not such a bad idea to have couple transitional years and restock.

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Feliz 2-out BB :D

  55. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    GB, yep a lot of the walks this year for many of our milb pitchers have come late when their arms are tired. Understandable.

  56. blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    “It may pain some people here, but randy has been proved right on a number of recent issues.”

    Randy goes overboard at times and sometimes just plays theybare contrarian just for fun I think……but as I’ve said before…..he knows the game as well as anyone who posts here.

  57. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Yankeefem, a couple of 93 MPHs, a few chage-ups and curves, but that was through the first 5 innings. everything else in the 6th was markedly different. I think this season for most f the year 5-6 innings will be his limit. 2 years of arm miseries haven’t cost him his stuff, just the endurance and strength.

  58. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Threw out Feliz at the plate. Booooo!

  59. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    Kennedy had 1.95 era and sub 1 WHIP in 248 minor leagues innings with the Yankees…..he was always really good but because he got roughed up a bit in NY as a 22 yearcold he was written off as an “NL pitcher”…..Yankee fans still talk about him like that and then at the same time wonder why they can’t develop pitching…..
    _____
    QFT. I can’t find the quote and forget who said it but a Yankee milb guy before IPK was traded said that IPK would be a very good mlb pitcher but unfortunately would never be given the time to adjust because of the way things are done in Yankeeland. Sad but true.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    “Aldred was passed over for Yankee PC in favor of Rothschild, but maybe he’s exactly where he needs to be to help these kids most. Not his fault, for example, that Joba was never sent back to him, and that he was the one who could reach him best. Who knows what might have happened, while Eiland was spinning his wheels on him?”

    This suggestion George Steinbrenner-esque, but maybe he understood something about the unconventional environment in NY.

    Would about two pitching coaches (or give them different titles for the sake of appearances), one for veterans and one for kids.
    ///

    Feliz out at the plate :(

    Rich, sorry, not sure what you mean? Aldred understood something?

    About two coaches: there might have been some proprietary feelings regarding Joba’s development….maybe that’s another reason he never made it back to Aldred.

    The thing about Betances and Banuelos is, neither has “third pitch issues”. They are already 3-pitch guys, with all of those in the plus category. Dellin has issues with his release point and both have to gain better command in general and just be allowed to pitch and build their arms.

  61. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    GB, we just want Mitchell to get stronger, stay healthy and to improve fastball command. Smart not to push him.

  62. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Pruf, hopefully Aldred will be good for both B’s. And yes, I want to see both Dellin and Manny be challenged more in AAA and be given the chance to get out of trouble.

  63. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Culver may start to be finding the range after being in the .180s most of the year until last week. 3-3 with a double today and up to .242.

  64. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    “Anyway, looks like roof caved in on Mitchell in the 6th. Walk, single, single 3 run double and he’s out of the game. 6 run inning for Hickory.”

    I’ll take the first five. I am not too concerned about milb results, just process and development. And like GB said, he likely tired as well as lost his focus after being stellar through 5.

  65. luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Hello everyone,

    Randy good to see you around.

    My two cents: IPK wasn’t given the chance to develop and at the time of the trade for Grandy they chose the power arms over him. But in essence the Yankees have picked very low on the drafts and with the new CBA is going to be harder to even find those high risk/reward guys. They should invest in scouting to find the diamonds in the rough that may be overlooked by other teams.

    About Cashman reading the blogs….Hey you should be fired, at least have the decency to quit and move laterally if you will, but you suck at handling the team.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    blake April 30th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    I think the only thing they changed with Kennedy was that they got him extending a little more so he was releasing the ball closer to home plate….staying closed a little better….its impossible to know if he would have developed the same and been AS good in NY…..but he was a good pitcher before he left…..
    ///

    Yes, he could pitch when he left, but he may have better mentoring in Arizona than what Eiland could have provided. Three talented arms, none a starter for the Yankees.

  67. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    intangible alert – maybe there was a clubhouse problem with IPK that will never be divulged? I mean, he seemed to have a big ego, which isn;t a bad thing, but maybe it didn;t play well in that particular clubhouse or with that coachign staff?

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Primo!

    What country are you in now? :D

  69. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    GB, every time Cito gets a hit, I check to see if it is vs. a lefty or a righty. I think his lefty hitting has improved a lot even though the numbers aren’t good. Overall in his last 10 he is batting @ .300 with a 400+ OBP. It’s a-coming. Would love to get to see his AB’s game in and game out. Ditto, the rest of this team.

  70. metalhoops April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Is Roy Oswalt still out there?

  71. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    YankeeFem, one thing the need to do is get some weight on Mitchell. He’s about 6’2″ and 170. A really outstanding arm, but, he was another of the late round gambles that NYYs were signing to build that pitching surplus.

  72. luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    JAP my man!!

    Still in Ireland.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Hassey, link please.

  74. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    At the risk of dating yourselves, anyone care to share the name of the guy whose signature was on your first mitt?

  75. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Hola, Luis! Yes, I have been saying the same re: IPK. The finesse arm was considered more expendable.

  76. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    JAP – no, I’m sorry, there’s no link to the IPK thing. Just me wondering aloud

  77. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Two run homer for Rey Nunez!

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    JAP my man!!

    Still in Ireland.
    ///

    yeah? how’s the food?

    Are you aware of Girardi’s observation in the post-game that catchers who hit 24 HR and drive in 100 runs don’t matter?

  79. blake April 30th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    “Yes, he could pitch when he left, but he may have better mentoring in Arizona than what Eiland could have provided. Three talented arms, none a starter for the Yankees.”

    We’ll never know…..

  80. luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    GB7,

    Hello! haven’t seen you in a while either. Good to see you posting again. I haven’t seen Mitchell, but if the he has a wide body, the weight is not an issue. He will gain it as he ages, the important thing is that he has the pitcher’s frame.

  81. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Kelvin DeLeon has been a major disappointment so far in his time.

    Reymond Nunez homers to dead center for 2 runs. 6-4 Hickory in the 8th inning

  82. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Pruf

    One (Aldred) whose primary responsibility is kids, and Rothschild for the veterans.

    They could consult, of course.

  83. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    GB, I like the moves to build pitching surplus and think we really have some electric arms in every level of the system; just will have to hope those arms keep evolving and stay healthy. As for Mitchell, I still remember when both Dellin and Manny were scrawny kids, but now they are both physically formidable. Expect to see Mitchell get stronger as well.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Hassey,

    I remember the post-game that everyone was up in arms about. Can’t remember what Kennedy said, but it was innocuous enough, just a young kid trying to stay balanced and keep the vultures trying to tear at him at bay.

    The entire blogosphere erupted about Kennedy being some kind of egotistical spoiled brat.

    I don’t remember any source alluding to Kennedy having any “clubhouse issues”.

  85. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Come on people. If it isn’t Montero, it’s IPK. STOP looking back. Oh, and say “Hi” to McFly for me.

  86. luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    JAP my man!!

    Still in Ireland.
    ///

    yeah? how’s the food?

    Are you aware of Girardi’s observation in the post-game that catchers who hit 24 HR and drive in 100 runs don’t matter?

    ===============================

    The food….it’s ok, lots of potatoes!!

    I wasn’t aware of his comment….Not surprised though, it only confirms what we already knew :angry: … This is another guy that should go and fast…There isn’t a worst thing than having a Manager or a GM unaware of the teams success formula, they are not good guardians of the team’s legacy.

  87. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    JAP – Yes, I remember it well also, but assumed it was addressed in-house (as only Torre and Jeter can do). Then again, maybe it was a lingering concern and they felt it best to move him (getting Grandy, who I didn’t like much at the time, was also a plus, of course)

  88. luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Hola Yankeefem!

    Mitchell will beef up with age. I wouldn’t worry about that. Does he has a good pitching body frame?

  89. NYYROC April 30th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I remember when Rothschild was interviewed for the PC job. He was given video of 3 NYY pitchers, AJ, PH and I’m not sure but maybe Joba. He was asked what he could do to make them better. He can’t help Joba’s injuries but look at the great job he’s done with the other two. He helped AJ all the way to Pittsburgh and PH to the pen or AAA. Pitchers have to pitch but no confidence in LR helping with development.

  90. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    DonnyB – Please pick the next topic for us, and I promise, I’ll go on and on and on about anything else…

  91. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    One thing in Mitchell’s favor is his age. He just turned 21 last week.

  92. NYYROC April 30th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    After a game in which IPK struggled he was asked about going back to the minors. He said he didn’t have anything to learn in the mL. People took that as arrogance.

  93. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    IPK was confident and showed belief in his stuff; I don’t think he was a problem child or potential clubhouse cancer… This ego stuff is not the reason we trade everyone we trade!

  94. rr212 April 30th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    YF—-Was it Damon Oppenheimer (sp?) That said that quote about IPK?

  95. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Mitchell is built along the lines of Lincecum..just a couple of inches taller.

  96. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    One thing in Mitchell’s favor is his age. He just turned 21 last week.
    _______
    Yes, and I like that we started him in SI in 2011 even though we thought his stuff could play in A- because we wanted to have him work on his FB command and we wanted to go slow with him.

  97. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    - FIRST MITT SIGNATURE -
    Bobby Shantz

  98. Game of Inches April 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Interesting to see what would have happened if Donnie won the job in ’08 (yeah, more “what-ifs”, I know :wink:)

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Pruf

    One (Aldred) whose primary responsibility is kids, and Rothschild for the veterans.

    They could consult, of course.
    ///

    Yeah, from a limited viewing place, that sounds like a good relay team. I should say that Warren has complained about intractable pitch counts and not being allowed to work out of trouble at AAA level. I don’t, however, see his AAA starts, so I can’t say whether he was justly frustrated last season. In Dellin and Manny’s cases, at AAA they were yanked regardless of how they were pitching, and at the slightest hint of trouble, if the count was nigh or if they hit the bulls-eye. But what I saw from Aldred on Friday with Betances, just didn’t happen at AA under Phelps (PC), who likely was under a strict pitch count mandate, regardless of circumstances.

  100. blake April 30th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    The Kennedy trade was an unproven pitcher for a 40 homer threat CFer in his prime…..the Yanks rook on less risk in that deal than the other clubs……kinda different than the most recent one.

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Sorry, I meant at *AA they were yanked regardless of how they were pitching.

  102. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    rr212, likely could have been. I wasn’t sure if it were he or Nardi or Newman, but I am inclined to think DO. Though not sure.

  103. NYYROC April 30th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Also in regards to pitching, what makes Nova so good these days? His slider. Where did he learn that? In AAA, under Aldred I believe.

  104. luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Mitchell is built along the lines of Lincecum..just a couple of inches taller.

    ==============================

    Then i might worry that he won’t be able to remain as a SP long term. I don’t think Lincecum will be an effective pitcher in five years, due to his size. I could be wrong, but most guys with those body types break down as soon as their joints stop growing and they finally fuse ( around 25 or 26 years) and lose flexibility.

  105. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    first mitt signature – for me, my first glove that actually HAD a signature on it was Rod Carew. Still have it in pretty good shape

  106. G. Love April 30th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Kennedy had lasted like an inning or two against the Angels for us and when he did his post game said something to the effect that he wasn’t going to lose any sleep and wasn’t upset over the loss. He was borderline delusional and arrogant when he delivered his post game presser and it was shocking to see a Yankee so cavalierly talk about a loss and how it didn’t phase him.

    Contrast that with Freddy who looked shaken the other day and you see why people got upset.

    We weren’t used to a me first attitude in a Yankee player who called a loss that was mainly on his shoulders no big deal and nothing to lose sleep over.

    I think he was demoted the next day by the team because there were reports that Yankees in the clubhouse heard his comments and were stunned by them.

    He then went on to say, I believe, that he had nothing to learn at AAA.

    He was a bit out of control and the Yankees needed to reign in the ‘tude.

  107. austinmac April 30th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    First glove- the superstar Jerry Lumpe. :)

  108. NYYROC April 30th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Hassey,
    I had Doc Medich, Rick Dempsey & Dick Howser. Met them at a baseball camp in New Paltz.

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    NYYROC April 30th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
    After a game in which IPK struggled he was asked about going back to the minors. He said he didn’t have anything to learn in the mL. People took that as arrogance.
    ///

    People decide entire histories based on two-minute sound bites. Probably because that’s the length of their attention spans.

  110. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    GLove, you could read it multiple ways. He was not used to being in the Yankee fishbowl, and he was asserting his sense of belief in himself and defying reporters looking for a story. I don’t think that was a reason he was traded and I think multiple interpretations were and are possible.

  111. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    NYYROC – Beautiful downtown New Paltz! I’ve enjoyed time at Lake Minnewaska – still clean?

  112. randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “Randy goes overboard at times…”

    how can you see what’s under the boat if you don’t? :)

  113. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    I guess Yanks lost the memo when it came to reining in Swish then. Anyone could perceive of him as a “me” first type if they wanted to because he too individualistic. Just sayin’

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    G. Love April 30th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    Kennedy had lasted like an inning or two against the Angels for us and when he did his post game said something to the effect that he wasn’t going to lose any sleep and wasn’t upset over the loss. He was borderline delusional and arrogant when he delivered his post game presser and it was shocking to see a Yankee so cavalierly talk about a loss and how it didn’t phase him.
    ///

    Or, he was being reflexively defiant, protecting himself from the unfamiliar feeling of pens and microphones bearing down on him. It’s interesting how his milb coaches had nothing but great things to say about Kennedy, after he had already left.

    These are young guys who are suddenly thrust into the limelight, and virtually right after they come off the field.

  115. blake April 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Im sure most of us said some dumb stuff when we were 22….especially if we had just pitched poorly and had a bunch of NY vultures with microphones in our faces…..that attitude is probably why he’s good now…

  116. NYYROC April 30th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Hassey, I don’t live there. I attended a camp when I was a kid. Stood next to Medich in line for lunch. He was huge guy. All I could think of to say to him was, “So where’d you go to college?” (Pitt) Doh! :)

  117. blake April 30th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    “how can you see what’s under the boat if you don’t?”

    True….I always said if they traded Montero Id join team Randy ;)

  118. G. Love April 30th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    yanksfem,

    I didn’t send him right back down based on those comments. The Yankees did.

    It wasn’t to appease the fans. I think there was a major reaction in the clubhouse that day that Kennedy needed to be humbled immediately.

    It was one of the most bizarre post game interviews you’ve seen. The media was just looking for the guy to say I’ll work hard and go out and get after it next time and he instead was defiantly telling everyone he threw the ball great and didn’t care about the loss.

    It was a strange moment.

    That said, maybe without YES in the clubhouse immediately after the game it wouldn’t have blown up like it did.

  119. austinmac April 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    If one decides what pitchers to keep based upon post-game comments, they are very foolish.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    GLove, you could read it multiple ways. He was not used to being in the Yankee fishbowl, and he was asserting his sense of belief in himself and defying reporters looking for a story. I don’t think that was a reason he was traded and I think multiple interpretations were and are possible.
    ///

    I bet if he was in that position now, he’d be more careful in his responses.

  121. G. Love April 30th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    JAP –

    Kennedy was pretty far along in his Yankee career at that point to be that green. He had that magical September run and then started the next season in the rotation before flaming out.

    He had gone down to the minors, had a nice stretch in AAA, and then was promoted again when this happened.

    These quotes happened in the middle of the August penant race in 2008. Every loss at that point counted big time and he was smirking and calling it no big deal.

    The Yankees sent him right back down for Billy Traber I remember. They were not happy.

  122. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    I think it built up to that moment for IPK, after a bunch of repeatedly dumb interviews questioning him about his pitching. He had a bizarre smile on his face I recall; he was likely overwhelmed and protecting himself. Also because he had “failed” over and over he was likely defensive. Joba was similarly raked over the coals as was Hughes because they didn’t say “my stuff sucks” and bow before the press and the demand for self-effacement and humility. Reading the psychological into these stuff is pretty subjective though, so we can come up with multiple versions depending on our position.

  123. luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Well guys have to go…I’ll try to join the game thread or the pregame one.

  124. ADam April 30th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    So I guess they’ll see if Hughes can get through 3 innings against the O’s?

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    JAP – Yes, I remember it well also, but assumed it was addressed in-house (as only Torre and Jeter can do). Then again, maybe it was a lingering concern and they felt it best to move him (getting Grandy, who I didn’t like much at the time, was also a plus, of course)
    ///

    Eh, I don’t buy it. Oppenheimer and Newman waxed poetic (correct use ;) ) on what a great kid Kennedy is, after he was traded and having success in Arizona. They were genuinely happy for the kid, and also proud of him. They’d have nothing to gain, with him out the door, by talking up his character.

    The only logical conclusion is that they thought Kennedy was a good kid, not some clubhouse nemesis created by an over reacting fanbase. Oppenheimer and Newman probably have a better idea of who he is, I would say.

  126. Chip April 30th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    I still find it hilarious that The Yanks could NOT make a Freddy roster decision yesterday, till Cashman showed up at the park. What’s next? Fans lined up, waiting for Cashman to show up and unlock the doors to Yankee Stadium??? The man is a control freak.
    _________________

    My guess is that Brian and Joe wanted to have a face-to-face conversation with Freddy before making him face the media.

    I think it’s less about being a control freak and more about trying to be classy in helping a vet handle an awkward situation.

  127. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    *this stuff

  128. JobaTipsHisCap April 30th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    2-1
    The game started by Hughes will be lost

  129. randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    “Where ya’ been ?”

    mtu-

    gathering my thoughts :)

    rich in nj-

    there’s been a gathering consensus developing that the yankees need to have better management. you and others no doubt say it more diplomatically than i do, but the message is similar.

    when there are so many posters from opposing viewpoints having the same conclusion about the montero/pineda trade something is going on. from CB to jerkface there is agreement that things need to be done better.

    even cashman himself , if he were reading this , would have to agree that he can do a better job. he really, if he’s going to stay the gm, needs to rethink his everyone on the same page mentality. the yankees need some fresh ideas , and they aren’t going to get that if disagreeing with the boss gets them demoted or fired.

    some people mock montero’s early numbers, but they are solid for a rookie. when he heats up he’s laid a good base to add some big numbers to. the bottom line is you don’t make a trade where most of the risk is on you.

    that’s what the yankees did. i also totally question why someone didn’t see with thier own eyes the way i did that something didn’t look right with pineda being an ace. forget the stats and numbers from last year. there is nothing ace like about his motion.

    as i said after watching a video of him. i saw potential injury and the possibility of being a very good reliever more than i saw ace.

    now of course if i could see something that bothered my eye, there were people in the yankee organization that saw it too. my guess is that they are not free to speak up. this is just a guess. i have no inside info on this.

    there are just so many signs that there is not a lot of internal discussion going on that questions cashman. maybe it happens , but i don’t see it. i really think it possible that when brian gets an idea, people are afraid to go against him.

  130. JobaTipsHisCap April 30th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Zero confidence on hughes

  131. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    “I bet if he was in that position now, he’d be more careful in his responses.”

    No doubt.

  132. G. Love April 30th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    It wasn’t just comments with Kennedy in 2008. He was horrid to start the season. Worked things out in AAA and then came up and got blasted again and looked like the guy who started the season.

    He had a lot to learn mentally about the game and I think the Yankees tough love with him actually probably helped him become the guy he is now.

    That said, he was a throw in the Grandy trade and if Cashman ever tries to say anything other than that it’s a lie. That trade was Jackson and fluff for Grandy and that’s how it was lauded.

    Kennedy is another guy he missed the boat on in the end.

  133. Tackelberry April 30th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Come on people. If it isn’t Montero, it’s IPK. STOP looking back. Oh, and say “Hi” to McFly for me.

    _____________________________

    MCFLYYY!! HELLOOOOOOO!! ANBODY HOME????????????

  134. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    “My guess is that Brian and Joe wanted to have a face-to-face conversation with Freddy before making him face the media.

    I think it’s less about being a control freak and more about trying to be classy in helping a vet handle an awkward situation.”
    ____
    I agree.

  135. Tackelberry April 30th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    metalhoops April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    Is Roy Oswalt still out there?

    ___________________________________

    Yes, and with good reason!

  136. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    And good observation by blake, that Kennedy’s push back probably shows a belief in himself that is part of his pitching makeup.

    Last year, Kim Jones asked Montero what it was like to be around Rivera, etc. Montero gave an honest response, obviously not trained yet to take the bait and play the humble rookie. He said ‘yeah, it was fine” or something like that. He also said “This is MY house,” about Yankee Stadium.

    Give me that guy over the candied tongue licking absurd pomp. That’s the guy I want at the plate under pressure, and I want the pitcher who says ‘um, I think I have a better idea about what I need to do to succeed than you do, Mr. Soundbite”.

  137. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    It’s official. Matsui is a (milb) Ray:

    “Hideki Matsui has signed a minor league contract with the Tampa Bay Rays, and the two-time AL All-Star will report Wednesday to extended spring training in Port Charlotte.”

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....eague-deal

  138. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Man….just keeps getting worse for andrew Brackman.

    Scott Miller?@ScottMCBS

    RT @DKnobler: One-time Yanks 1st-rounder Andrew Brackman today w/ Reds’ AAA Louisville: 34 pitches, 8 strikes, 3 WP, walked 5 of 8 batters.

  139. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    G. Love April 30th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    It wasn’t just comments with Kennedy in 2008. He was horrid to start the season. Worked things out in AAA and then came up and got blasted again and looked like the guy who started the season.

    He had a lot to learn mentally about the game and I think the Yankees tough love with him actually probably helped him become the guy he is now.
    ///

    He wasn’t getting outs, but that’s a separate issue. I don’t think the comments reflect that he didn’t get he needed more work. I think he was just telling a bunch of people who were not the Yankees or his pitching coaches to back off. I have no problem with that.

    Phelps is perfectly low key in interviews, for instance. Unlike Derek, he also manages to be thoughtful. Good for him. But not every young guy has the self possession to give appropriate answers when the adrenaline is still pumping and the cameras are flashing in your face.

  140. blake April 30th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    I think that’s why Nova has had success….he believes in himself…..in the big leagues you better throw the ball with conviction….you had better believe you’re gonna get the hitters out ….

  141. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    “Where ya’ been ?”

    mtu-

    gathering my thoughts

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    How long could it take to gather your thoughts? About 3 minutes, tops?

  142. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    “Contrast that with Freddy who looked shaken the other day and you see why people got upset.”

    Garcia is in his mid-30s and has the security of once being a star and having become multi-millionaire; IPK was in his early to mid-20s and hadn’t done anything.

    So the contrast is illusory.

  143. Stoneburner April 30th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    And good observation by blake, that Kennedy’s push back probably shows a belief in himself that is part of his pitching makeup.

    Last year, Kim Jones asked Montero what it was like to be around Rivera, etc. Montero gave an honest response, obviously not trained yet to take the bait and play the humble rookie. He said ‘yeah, it was fine” or something like that. He also said “This is MY house,” about Yankee Stadium.

    Give me that guy over the candied tongue licking absurd pomp. That’s the guy I want at the plate under pressure, and I want the pitcher who says ‘um, I think I have a better idea about what I need to do to succeed than you do, Mr. Soundbite”.

    **********

    Finally – an original thought not borrowed from plus pinestripes of the scouts.com. Finally – unfortunately – the original thought is based on pure speculation – offers no analysis – completely does not understand the Ian Patrick Kennedy quote – which dealt with media/fans overreacting to one start in Anaheim (Yankees regular season is not 162 games Mr. Kennedy – it is 162 individual seasons) – a google search does not reveal anything regarding Montero saying it is my house – meaning YS – please post a link. Additionally, rookies need to know their place – if anything – the fake fan boys did more harm than good – maybe if guys would stop treating these prospects like your kids and pumping them up like special snow flakes – they will not believe their press clippings and say silly stuff re: meeting Mo. . . . .

  144. 86w183 April 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Kennedy was far from a throw in. Arizona wasn’t making the deal without him.

    The Yanks’ lack of patience with young pitchers has bitten them on the butt more than once. Think Ted Lilly for Jeff Weaver.

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    G. Love April 30th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    JAP –

    Kennedy was pretty far along in his Yankee career at that point to be that green. He had that magical September run and then started the next season in the rotation before flaming out.

    He had gone down to the minors, had a nice stretch in AAA, and then was promoted again when this happened.

    These quotes happened in the middle of the August penant race in 2008. Every loss at that point counted big time and he was smirking and calling it no big deal.

    The Yankees sent him right back down for Billy Traber I remember. They were not happy.
    ///

    He wasn’t polished and didn’t convey the humility the fanbase wanted to see. Fans want their players to be contrite when they fail, I get that. Is it the worst thing in the world, though?

    I’ve been around these milling microphones and little tape recorders…some of these guys are ridiculous. Yeah, they come with the territory and the best thing to do is give boilerplate replies, like Jeter; give them nothing to chew on and spit you out with. I would imagine he has learned since then. I can’t imagine, though, that he was moved because of this kind of thing. If that’s the case, then that’s just more disappointment I have in the Yankees’ DM process.

  146. blake April 30th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Speaking of the IPK trade…..Max Scherzer is like the real life AJ Burnett 2.0…..too bad he was good Max in the playoffs last year.

  147. superSwishion April 30th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Yep. Just like I said last night…

    “We have a hard and fast rule,” Stern said. “Unless somebody trips you and sends you into him, nobody touches a referee. That’s the proposition.”

    The excuse has already been lined up.

    Dick Rivers and Rajondo have already lied and claimed he tripped.

    Its clear as day to me that he intentionally does it.

  148. tomingeorgia April 30th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Hassey,
    First good glove I had was a Wilson 2000 with Nellie Fox’s name on it.

  149. Bo knows April 30th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    97 wins with a patch job SP staff. Just went 12-9 through a very tough part of the sched with the SP all over the place.

    Just saying:

  150. Chip April 30th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    86w183 April 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Kennedy was far from a throw in. Arizona wasn’t making the deal without him.

    The Yanks’ lack of patience with young pitchers has bitten them on the butt more than once. Think Ted Lilly for Jeff Weaver.
    —————

    I have no problem trading a decent OF prospect and a decent pitching prospect for an All Star CF in his prime with a reasonable contract.

    Ted Lilly for Jeff Weaver is about the only recent instance where the Yankees traded a young pitcher who was better than what they got back.

  151. superSwishion April 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Every one of these leagues is the same. He’s just gonna get away with his 2nd offense this year of physically abusing a referee.

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    luis April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    JAP my man!!

    Still in Ireland.
    ///

    yeah? how’s the food?

    Are you aware of Girardi’s observation in the post-game that catchers who hit 24 HR and drive in 100 runs don’t matter?

    ===============================

    The food….it’s ok, lots of potatoes!!

    I wasn’t aware of his comment….Not surprised though, it only confirms what we already knew :mad: … This is another guy that should go and fast…There isn’t a worst thing than having a Manager or a GM unaware of the teams success formula, they are not good guardians of the team’s legacy.
    ///

    Missed this, luis.

    I see you’ve already signed off.

    I hope to see you in here later, my friend.

  153. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    blake April 30th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
    Speaking of the IPK trade…..Max Scherzer is like the real life AJ Burnett 2.0…..too bad he was good Max in the playoffs last year.
    ///

    Haha. True. Did a good job driving up his PC yesterday, though. And C outpitched him. Hey, we had trouble hitting AJ, too.

  154. theREALkevin April 30th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    I want to believe Kennedy could have succeeded for the Yankees, but I’m not sure that would have been the case. The expectations were massive, he looked overwhelmed albeit he did not pitch many innings for them. He also made some ridiculous postgame comments which did not endear him to either the fans and quite possibly the front office. I honestly have no reason to believe Kennedy would have ended up any differently than Hughes has so far if they had kept him.

    He was used as a chip to acquire Curtis Granderson, who has turned into an absolute stud for us and one of the best outfielders in all of baseball. So, I don’t think anyone can really question getting rid of Kennedy when you consider what we got in return, unless you say you would have been fine with just keeping Jackson (and then we get into it again about how Kennedy would have turned out). I will say that at the time, I recall most people being in favor of the trade, seeing as how we got Granderson. It’s only been since Kennedy has thrived in a weaker hitting division with MUCH less pressure that people have started showing remorse over the trade.

  155. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    TominGA – You still have that Nellie Fox, or might we see it turn up on an episode of Storage Wars?

  156. G. Love April 30th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I will say this much; I think the days of other GM’s looking silly at what they took from the Yankees for their stars they didn’t want to pay are over.

    Arizona and Detroit both got quality for Granderson. Seattle, barring the hand of God repairing Pineda’s shoulder, won the trade in year one for Pineda. The Nats won the deal for Clippard. Heck, the Braves would’ve won the trade for Vazquez already if Vizcaino could stay healthy.

    The days of an in prime Abreu for CJ whatever his name was appear to be over and I just wonder if opposing GM’s are licking their chops when Cashman calls to talk trade these days.

  157. yankeefeminista April 30th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I don’t think most people are regretting the deal for Grandy as much as some are pointing out that IPK is a good enough pitcher to have been successful in the AL East.

  158. blake April 30th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “It’s only been since Kennedy has thrived in a weaker hitting division with MUCH less pressure that people have started showing remorse over the trade.”

    I don’t have any remorse over the trade….but that doesn’t change the fact that Kennedy is a good pitcher and if you’ve watched him pitch there is no real reason to think he wouldn’t have success in the AL as well…..great change up….plus plus command of both it and his fastball…..and a workable breaking ball…..

  159. blake April 30th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    “I don’t think most people are regretting the deal for Grandy as much as some are pointing out that IPK is a good enough pitcher to have been successful in the AL East.”

    Yes.

    I do wonder what the club would look like if the trade hadn’t been made though.

    My guess….

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Cano
    arod
    Holliday
    Teixera
    Montero
    Martin
    Gardner/Jackson

    Sabathia
    Kennedy
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Hughes/Phelps

  160. tomingeorgia April 30th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Hassey,
    Still have it, where I’m not sure, but it was oiled before I put it where ever it is! Greatest Christmas present I ever got!

  161. Chip April 30th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Blake -

    I don’t think Holliday was lost because they picked up Granderson – I think Holliday was lost when they signed Tex.

    More likely it would have been:

    Jeter
    Gardner
    Cano
    Alex
    Tex
    Swisher – DH
    Melky
    Martin
    Jackson

    Pitching would still be a mess because IPK would be in AAA.

  162. jacksquat April 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    After a game in which IPK struggled he was asked about going back to the minors. He said he didn’t have anything to learn in the mL. People took that as arrogance.

    So which is it:

    IPK didn’t have anything left to learn in the minors.

    IPK wasn’t given enough time to develop.

    IPK (and pitchers in general) can’t develop in the major leagues, especially if they don’t have a plus 3rd pitch.

    So many contradictions here and people are falling over themselves patting each other on the back for being right about all of them.

  163. randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    “How long could it take to gather your thoughts? About 3 minutes, tops?”

    gb7-

    once they get out of the barn, you’d be surprised how long it takes to catch them :)

  164. blake April 30th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    “Pitching would still be a mess because IPK would be in AAA.”

    Only if they never gave him a chance……and I think they would have been more aggressive on Holiday without the Granderson trade….they wouldn’t have lost both Damon and Matsui and not replaced that offense….

  165. tucker April 30th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Blake, I’d take that team over what we have now.

    I also think IPK would do just fine in the AL East. He knows how to pitch, change speeds and locate. He would not have the same low ERA and WHIP, but he would win his share of games.

  166. blake April 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “IPK didn’t have anything left to learn in the minors.”
    ” IPK (and pitchers in general) can’t develop in the major leagues, especially if they don’t have a plus 3rd pitch”

    Both of these things usually aren’t true at the same time.

  167. Jerkface April 30th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Pitching would still be a mess because IPK would be in AAA

    No, because he’d be the first called up. On the 40 man and dominating the minors.

  168. blake April 30th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    “Blake, I’d take that team over what we have now.”

    I would as well….of course that’s just one outcome if there had been no trade….no guarantee that would have actually been what happened.

  169. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    “How long could it take to gather your thoughts? About 3 minutes, tops?”

    gb7-

    once they get out of the barn, you’d be surprised how long it takes to catch them

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Some thoughts can be a lot like Nurse Karloff, Randy. Some things are better off being locked in the barn for the safety of others.

  170. Jerkface April 30th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    IPK’s best pitch is a change up, and those play anywhere.

  171. ac1 April 30th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Arizona and Detroit both got quality for Granderson. Seattle, barring the hand of God repairing Pineda’s shoulder, won the trade in year one for Pineda. The Nats won the deal for Clippard. Heck, the Braves would’ve won the trade for Vazquez already if Vizcaino could stay healthy.

    ______

    If Vizcaino could stay healthy?
    Then you could say Yankees would win the Pineda/Montero deal IF Pineda stayed healthy.
    Can’t say IF HEALTHY to justify leaning one way on a deal and not on the other one….

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    I’m not regretting the Granderson trade.

    Granderson: lefty power, doubles, triples slugging and speed, plus defender in CF, 30 year old. Hits LHP, too.

    That said, AJack is the best OF defender in the American League, IMO, still young, and contributing to the Detroit offense.

    & IPK can pitch.

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    If Vizcaino could stay healthy?
    Then you could say Yankees would win the Pineda/Montero deal IF Pineda stayed healthy.
    Can’t say IF HEALTHY to justify leaning one way on a deal and not on the other one….
    ///

    ac1,

    Sure, except Montero was in the Pineda/Montero trade.

  174. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    tucker April 30th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    Blake, I’d take that team over what we have now.

    I also think IPK would do just fine in the AL East. He knows how to pitch, change speeds and locate. He would not have the same low ERA and WHIP, but he would win his share of games.
    ///

    IPK can pitch, and he and other pitchers would always have the potential back-to-back redemption of Cano/Montero :D

  175. blake April 30th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    “IPK’s best pitch is a change up, and those play anywhere.”

    True dat

  176. Chip April 30th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Jerkface April 30th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Pitching would still be a mess because IPK would be in AAA

    No, because he’d be the first called up. On the 40 man and dominating the minors.
    ———

    Yup, he and Mark Melancon would be dueling it out for minor league pitcher of the year :-)

  177. randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    this is not a good time for cashman.

    he can’t have anything else go wrong right now that’s he’s responsible for.

    cashman really needs the yankees to win now and be maintain firm control of first place.

  178. tucker April 30th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    IPK also has a nice running two-seamer that creeps back over the inside corner on lefties. He also is not afraid to go up and in on hitters. I would like to see Hughes do that more.

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Cashman will survive because of the good pitching we already had.

    The good pitching that was here, and didn’t require the sacrifice of Montero to fill in for.

  180. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Hughes did it in ST and in his starts already. He just hasn’t had the breaking pitch to mix it up, and hasn’t had consistent command.

  181. Bret The Hitman April 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    One thing Cashman deserves credit for is accumulating surplus pitching in the minors. Nova came up big for him. Phelps has a shot as does DJ Mitchell. After all that, Banuelos might pan out to be a frontline starter.

    He did lose IPK, Melky, Jackson, Vizcaino, Clippard, and Montero and he only has Granderson to show for it, a project in Pineda and another project in Campos.

  182. UnKnown April 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Can Joe at the very least keep Nuneeez out of the field until Swish or Gardy get back. I don’t want to have Jones and Ibanez manning the OF corners and Nunez in the game as well.

    Alex on right now with Kay

  183. Against All Odds April 30th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    One thing Cashman deserves credit for is accumulating surplus pitching in the minors

    ———————

    True he deserves credit for turning the farm around

  184. Chip April 30th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    this is not a good time for cashman.

    he can’t have anything else go wrong right now that’s he’s responsible for.

    cashman really needs the yankees to win now and be maintain firm control of first place.
    ———————-

    How is Cashman responsible for anything that has gone wrong thus far?

    Did he trade for an injured player and ignore the medicals? No
    Did he put Joba on the trampoline? No
    Did he have a hand in the injuries to Swisher or Gardner? No
    Is he responsible for Hughes being bad? No
    Did Freddy Garcia show enough last year to earn the contract he was given? Yes

  185. blake April 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    “IPK also has a nice running two-seamer that creeps back over the inside corner on lefties.”

    People who don’t think he can pitch haven’t seen him pitch much.

  186. Chip April 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Against All Odds April 30th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    One thing Cashman deserves credit for is accumulating surplus pitching in the minors

    ———————

    True he deserves credit for turning the farm around
    ————–

    Except for the fact that the more highly rated a pitching prospect is the less likely he seems to be to succeed in the Yankee system.

  187. Hassey April 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Can you guys keep it down for a minute? There’s a Knick playoff series that everyone’s busy trying to ignore

  188. Chip April 30th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    blake April 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    “IPK also has a nice running two-seamer that creeps back over the inside corner on lefties.”

    People who don’t think he can pitch haven’t seen him pitch much.
    —————-

    I will go with the old standby that there’s a difference between pitching well in the NL and pitching well in the AL East – Mark Melancon is more proof of this.

  189. blake April 30th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    “I will go with the old standby that there’s a difference between pitching well in the NL and pitching well in the AL East – Mark Melancon is more proof of this.”

    There is a difference……but its greatly overstated

  190. Against All Odds April 30th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Chip April 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Against All Odds April 30th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    One thing Cashman deserves credit for is accumulating surplus pitching in the minors

    ———————

    True he deserves credit for turning the farm around
    ————–

    Except for the fact that the more highly rated a pitching prospect is the less likely he seems to be to succeed in the Yankee system.

    ————-

    I never said he was perfect :D

  191. Chip April 30th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    blake April 30th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    “I will go with the old standby that there’s a difference between pitching well in the NL and pitching well in the AL East – Mark Melancon is more proof of this.”

    There is a difference……but its greatly overstated
    ————

    I’m not sure about that – some very smart pitchers like Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux spoke openly about not wanting to pitch in the American League (especially towards the end of their careers) – but even if it is overstated, I would still rather have Curtis Granderson than a pitcher who may or may not be an NL only guy.

  192. randy l. April 30th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    “How is Cashman responsible for anything that has gone wrong thus far?”

    i guess you could say the same for the person in charge who sent a trailer truck to make a delivery out behind my business.

    it’s now in a protected wetland lying on it’s side. the tow truck driver told me it’s costing them $7,000 to get it out.

    of course i’ve said all along that no deliveries should be made out there because sometimes sh$%^#t happens.

    people act surprised when low probabilities happen, but eventually they do happen.

    yeah, the business owner next door, the truck driver, and the truck company all said they’ve gone a few years with no problem, so i guess you could say it’s not their fault.

    but it is.

    just like it’s cashman’s

    the yankee “truck” isn’t over on it’s side, but it’s leaning a little :)

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