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Robertson a worthy heir

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on May 01, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Robertson is looking like a worthy heir to Mariano Rivera’s closing throne. If Rivera retires after this season, wouldn’t you want to see Robertson in the ninth? He’s sure doing a wonderful job in the eighth again.

Robertson struck out the side in the eighth Monday night, setting up Rivera for his fifth save in the 2-1 win over the Orioles. Not only does Robertson own 18 strikeouts in 11 innings over 11 outings so far this season, he has yet to give up a run, earned or unearned.

In fact, he has now thrown 24 1/3 consecutive scoreless innings dating to Sept. 1, 2011, the longest current streak in the major leagues.

“He’s been lights out,” Russell Martin said with the view from behind the catcher’s mask. “He’s just got that sort of fastball that nobody seems to be able to put the barrel on. It gets on you quick and it has got some late cut action. His ball is moving. Guys just don’t seem to recognize it well. He’s got a good curveball to go with that. He’s got a changeup. We rarely have to use the changeup because there are so many guys who are just overmatched by his fastball.

“It’s just a luxury to have a guy like that in the eighth inning.”

Martin can see some of Rivera in Robertson.

“They have the same type of fastball,” Martin said. “It’s just heavy. It’s like a heavy ball and it bores in on left-handers. Righties, they start their swing and it’s just moving a couple of inches off the barrel. So it’s nice to have them.”

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203 Responses to “Robertson a worthy heir”

  1. CountryClub May 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Buchholz has good velocity on his FB but it’s very straight. It’s always been his main problem.

    Also, for the fans that still hang on to wins as an important stat: he’s 3 – 1 with a 8.69 ERA. 8.69. He’s won his past 2 games while giving up 11 runs in 12 innings.

  2. MTU May 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Nova and D-Rob are two of my favorite young Yankees.

    Each great in their own respective way.

    There will never be another Mo.

  3. sunny615 May 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am

    No… never another Mo, but DRob is a worthy replacement…

  4. MTU May 1st, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Sunny-

    About the best you could hope for coming after his Mo-ness.

    I love the kid.

    Just needs to stay away from empty boxes and basements.

    :)

  5. jacksquat May 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am

    wouldn’t you want to see Robertson in the ninth?

    No, I’d rather see Robertson used in the most difficult/high leverage situations in the 7th/8th.

    But everyone has been conditioned to think best reliever = closer = 9th inning = best setup.

  6. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Robertson also has, along with Lincecum, one of the longest strides in baseball, which makes his fastball even look faster.

    Have to go for a while.

    Cuban 26 yo Adonis Garcia is also a possibility for the Yankees.

    Until later.

  7. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2012 at 9:16 am

    As I said last night, I think he is arguably the best reliever in MLB.

  8. MTU May 1st, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Have a good day YT.

    :)

  9. MTU May 1st, 2012 at 9:20 am

    D-Rob = future closer

    Joba, Hughes, or Montgomery as future SU man ?

  10. Mike in Harrisburg May 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Importantly it seems like Robertson has the mental makeup, and he can spend some time getting groomed the rest of the year.

    I think (virtually) anyone brought in from the outside and told “Okay, go close for the Yankees” is going to bork.

  11. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Hughes’ future is probably elsewhere, MTU.

  12. MTU May 1st, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Time to create some pupdemonium.

    BIAW

  13. MTU May 1st, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Rich-

    Unfortunately, you may be right.

    :(

  14. blake May 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am

    MTU,

    I wish Hughes had Clay’s secondary pitches as well….I didn’t mean they weren’t good….its just the total package with hin that when out together im not sure how good it is….as mentioned his fastball isn’t anywhere head as good as Hughes despite the velocity.

    Betsy,

    What im saying is that a lot of Yankee fans aren’t like you or I and do care about the entertainment …..the Yanks have always tried to balance entertainment and winning…….I just wanna see them win…..there are a bunch of Yankee fans out there that didn’t even know who David Phelps was though until recently….I do think the team is going to need a bat or two and for the rotation to step it up to have a shot at the WS this year…..

  15. Tackelberry May 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Montgomery has been compared to Robertson. Wonder if he could fast track to the majors as quickly as Robbie. He is already dominating at Tampa in only his first full season in pro ball

  16. Tackelberry May 1st, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Who is Adonis Garcia/ Has he defected from Cuba?

  17. blake May 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am

    “Who is Adonis Garcia/ Has he defected from Cuba?”

    Yea…he’s not as highly touted as Soler though….

  18. austinmac May 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I do see a number of empty seats at the games. Perhaps, most of these tickets are purchased, but non-attendance still costs a lot of money. George, for the better or worse, did understand fan excitement. It makes money.

    For example, had they signed Darvish, he would have helped the team and created a buzz. That would be a good use of money. Winning trumps all, but excitement does make money which we could hope would be used for further team improvement.

  19. randy l. May 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Pat M. April 30th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
    “Ghost Town”

    the elephant in the room is something a large number of posters do not want to talk about including pat m.

    “PITCHING WINS” is not working as orchestrated by brian cashman.

    rather than talking about cashman being wrong in general with this strategy in general and specifically with monetro/pineda , these posters are just staying quiet.

    judging by the vocal vitriol directed at me throughout the winter , there are a large number of cashman supporters. where are they? are they going to show up only when things go their way?

  20. Shame Spencer May 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Um…..

    I think winning is entertainment.

    The most valuable form of entertainment, probably.

  21. CountryClub May 1st, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Blake,

    Where do you see the need for a bat or two? Obviously none of the starters are being replaced. The bench has Nunez, Chavez, Jones & Ibanez. Other than MAYBE Ibanez, i dont see any of them being replaced either.

    I dont include Stewart in this discussion because Girardi has made it very clear (see his quotes after Sunday’s game) that he looks at catcher as a defensive position.

  22. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am

    George, for the better or worse, did understand fan excitement. It makes money.
    ===============
    George was a fan. He thought like a fan and acted like a fan would. When Reggie was available, he got him. Same with Catfish.
    If Hal were the owner we never would have won those championships. In fact, he never wanted this job. I’m sure Hank did , chip off the old block, but he is gone too, prolly bought out or told to STFU.

  23. Stoneburner May 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am

    “PITCHING WINS” is not working as orchestrated by brian cashman.

    *********

    It did last night. . . .

  24. austinmac May 1st, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Randy,

    During your absence from the board, I acknowledged you were right about Pineda. He was an injury waiting to happen. Kudos to you, sadness to me.

    That admission is almost as painful as Pineda’s injury. :)

  25. hardwired7 May 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Fingers crossed that the surgery goes well for the big guy today. Hopefully it’s arthroscopic only.

  26. austinmac May 1st, 2012 at 10:08 am

    There is still no word on Soler. Bud is probably making sure he doesn’t sign before the new agreement regarding international free agents goes into effect. I doubt the Yankees would have been in on him anyway.

    Adonis Garcia? Did I miss something?

  27. jacksquat May 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Last I heard, scoring more runs than your opponent is what wins, no matter how you do it.

  28. blake May 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am

    “Where do you see the need for a bat or two?”

    They could use a corner outfielder that would push Swisher to DH or a DH bat that can really hit RHP. Cashman should be looking…..both for this year and for the future.

  29. Bo knows May 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I’m waiting for Cashman to write a book after this is all over in which he reveals that he was against the Montero trade and was railroaded by the suits.

    How else can you explain all his praise of Montero? Eh, eh.

    On another note – Girardi is at fault that the Yankees are playing boring baseball. All his other faults and to top it off he’s boring. Teix can’t hit a lick, Martin might set a new low for catcher offense, A Rod is a non factor, But Girardi is boring.

    I’ve never met a boring Italian before.

  30. Jerkface May 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Cuban 26 yo Adonis Garcia is also a possibility for the Yankees.

    I didn’t click your bleacherreport link (because I never click those), but I don’t think they should sign him. Compared to Soler he is like half as good and apparently still as expensive. Short with no plate discipline and terrible defense? PASS.

    The longer this Soler thing goes on, the closer he gets to losing 25 million dollars and a major league deal. If it gets down to just minor league deals I think the Yankees can sign him, because then it will just be about who maxes out the new IFA cap (everyone gets the same amount) and who is willing to go over.

    One of the strats the Yankees can employ, because they generally do not spend big on 1 player each season, is going over the IFA cap in a year that there is a player worth it (like G. Sanchez or Montero, 2 big bonus guys). You pay tax on the overage & then you lose the ability to spend over a certain amount per player in the next year. And the limit is like 500k or something crazy high if they don’t go over 15%. If they go over that the limit is 250k. The great thing for the Yankees is that IN GENERAL they do not really go over those limits anyways, choosing to sign a handful of players for 100-750k rather than 1 guy for 2+ million or whatever.

    So if Soler runs into the new IFA rules, that would be quite bad luck for him & a good opportunity to see if the Yankees know what they are doing.

  31. DONNYBROOK May 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am

    I thought Showalter’s appraisal of the Kuroda performance was accurate. Lotta balls squared up, and hit hard. Thus far, Kuroda is no 2 Slotter facing AL East or probable Playoff teams. MO continues to get hit hard, and soon will Not get the close corner calls he has previously merited. I feel Far more confident in the inning that Robertson throws, than the inning Mo throws. I thought the O’s gambling on that play at the plate in the 7th, was their attempt to tie the game Before Robertson was summoned to relieve Kuroda. A Robertson appearance inna game is Now dreaded in the other dugout. Yanks need to promote a defensive RF’er. Ibanez looked like Abreu on that ball he mangled against the RF wall.

  32. Jerkface May 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Adonis Garcia? Did I miss something?

    He was rumored to have been signed for 16 million by the Yankees somewhere in the middle of the offseason, but he isn’t very good so that rumor was shot down pretty quick. He seems like a Juan Miranda type-guy, who might get a 4 million dollar major league deal or a decent-expensive minor league deal.

    Definitely not in Soler or Cespedes range.

    Cespedes really has been as advertised btw. Lots of power, pretty good defense, decent plate discipline, strikes out a boat load, and probably no ability to hit for average.

  33. randy l. May 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am

    austin mac-

    i’ll be the first to say that it could have turned out differently.

    what’s important though is people showing up both when they are right and when they’re wrong.
    baseball is a probability game. it takes a long time sometimes for things to play out.

    look at when red sox fans were saying garciapparra was a better player than jeter. the national media even took that position. the truth became obvious over time. the same thing will happen with pineda and montero.

    it is possible that pineda will come back and pitch well- maybe even win 20 games, but it’s a long road now for that to happen.

    kudos to you for showing up when things went in the other direction. i would hope i’d do the same thing.

    as a long time supporter of cashman, what is your feeling about him now? any change or do you think it was a calculated risk that went bad?

    personally, i think they need to slide him sideways so that his voice is one among many in the organization.

  34. Bo knows May 1st, 2012 at 10:17 am

    judging by the vocal vitriol directed at me throughout the winter , there are a large number of cashman supporters. where are they? are they going to show up only when things go their way?
    ——————
    The Yankees are 13/9 with a missing in action 3.4,5. and starting pitchers – to whom it may concern.

    They’re playing winning BP. Thirteen pitchers can’t be wrong.

  35. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:22 am

    No doubt, you don’t have the cast of characters from the late 90′s.
    Gone are the dynamics of the Strawberry’s, Raines, Fielder’s, O’Neill’s,Boggs,Tino,Bernie,Posada’s,todays names are more limited to the HOF IF and Granderson.

    But those teams had tons of pitching too: to name a few, Clemens, Wells, El Duque, Cone.
    Today our key element for success is the bullpen.
    Make no mistake about it :pitching is the key.
    We should have enough hitting.

  36. jacksquat May 1st, 2012 at 10:27 am

    randy, just because someone doesn’t agree with everything you say, that does not make them a “cashman supporter”. It’s not a black and white thing.

  37. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Cashman is not running this team.
    He is given his marching orders from the suits and just following them.
    If he didn’t , he would be gone.
    So much for autonomy.

  38. DONNYBROOK May 1st, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Interesting, that of the Chuckers sighted by “Mick”, NONE are home grown. Another LoHud Fallacy that just doesn’t hold water. And don’t try and cheat by sighting El Duque as home grown. The guy was almost there when he Supposedly stepped off the raft.

  39. austinmac May 1st, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Randy,

    I don’t know that I have been a big Cashman supporter but willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. At this point, I do think my dart board and I have a better chance of selecting a new pitcher who would succeed.

    From the beginning of the off-season, I wanted Darvish as he seemed like the most probable to succeed. Cashman had no money to spend so he went another route. He has never had particular success in the trade department. He may be good in running the baseball operations, but I would reinstall someone like Gene Michaels for player evaluation.

  40. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:33 am

    The Yankees have never believed in the “homegrown” theory.
    That is a figment of the imagination of so-called “fanboy elitists.”

  41. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Pettitte and Stottlemyre are homegrown.
    Short list.

  42. randy l. May 1st, 2012 at 10:37 am

    “Today our key element for success is the bullpen.
    Make no mistake about it :pitching is the key.”

    mick-

    “PITCHING WINS” advocates usually mean “STARTING PITCHING WINS”

    i agree that yankee relief pitching is a key to the team.

    someone has to close out those 6-5 or 7-6 games .

    the strategic mistake cashman is making is that even if he was right that””STARTING PITCHING WINS” he’s no good at developing it.

    he can buy it like with CC but he can’t develop an ace or even a number two. he can destroy a god two like wang , but he can’t develop one unless he happens to get really lucky like he did with wang where he had nothing to do with turning wang into a two time 19 game winner.

    all cashman did was fire the guy who singlehandedly created wang and his sinker. think about that. why would any gm fire the one guy who created his best pitcher?

    seriously, is that not a major blunder?

    the reason it matters now is that he fired wang’s pitching coach because the pitching coach was not one of cashman’s guys. that eliminating the opposition is exactly the problem the yankees have now.

    there is no one to stand up and say ” brian, pineda for montero is BS”.

    there is groupspeak going on that is orchestrated by brian cashman.

    there is zero independent thinking going on. if anyone thinks this isn’t true, name the last yankee management personnel to go counter to cashman on anything?

    this just isn’t healthy in an organization, and it has to change.

    slide him sideways.

  43. CountryClub May 1st, 2012 at 10:38 am

    They could use a corner outfielder that would push Swisher to DH or a DH bat that can really hit RHP. Cashman should be looking…..both for this year and for the future.

    ———

    I won’t complain if they some how bring another bat in. I just dont see it happening. Also, I dont see any way that they make Swisher a semi full time DH.

  44. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am

    All the names mentioned were your Yankee “star quality.”
    If they didn’t win they would be remembered like Winfield and Henderson.
    Even Mattingly.

  45. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am

    someone has to close out those 6-5 or 7-6 games .
    ====================
    don’t forget last night’s 2-1 game.

  46. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:41 am

    the strategic mistake cashman is making is that even if he was right that””STARTING PITCHING WINS” he’s no good at developing it.
    =======================
    Name a Yank GM that did.

  47. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am

    there is no one to stand up and say ” brian, pineda for montero is BS”.
    ===================================
    That is where you come in, randy.

  48. DONNYBROOK May 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Cashman’s problem is that Jack Z has simply got his number. Hal should IMMEDIATELY Veto any possible trade brought to him by Cashman involving the Mariners.

  49. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:49 am

    As far as Montero goes: I was shocked at the trade like most here.
    It has to come down to the Arod and Jeter contracts.
    I , personally would have kept him and given him as many AB’s as possible and let him spell Martin, at least at the beginning.
    Their first choice was an Ace, but no team was buying.
    Perhaps, the GM’s thought we were pulling a heist with overhype as we do with all of our prospects.

  50. CountryClub May 1st, 2012 at 10:49 am

    there is no one to stand up and say ” brian, pineda for montero is BS”.

    ———-

    Almost nobody in the industry (scouts, GM’s, etc…) thought the Yanks made a mistake with that trade. The Yanks were pretty much applauded by everyone except for some fans. Right now it looks like those fans were right. Only time will tell.

  51. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Make no mistake about it: Girardi is running this team.
    It’s his philosophy to rest players and have a defensive catcher 1st.
    He comes with his own baggage in Fla, and if he doesn’t get his way, he will bolt, unlike Cashman who carries out orders.
    To put the blame all on Cashman is wrong.

  52. Patrick May 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Are people still complaining about the Pineda Montero trade? Enough is enough…

    I was against the trade to begin with, you just don’t trade a player like Montero who is as close to a sure thing as they come for a pitcher. Simply due to the risks involved with any young pitcher.. It was a bad value trade for the Yankees, increased risk with no increased reward.

    That being said, we’ve been over this a million times. The people who were against the trade win this argument, there is literally nothing you can say if you were in favor of the trade. So, eat your crow and we can discuss this again when Pineda is healthy enough to get back on the mound. Maybe it ends up looking good for the Yankees but as it stands right now it’s pretty much a disaster.

  53. mick May 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Girardi’s devotion to “Small Ball” fits right in with Hal.
    Cashman is the middleman.
    If he embraced the “George” philosophy, he would be gone.

  54. comet May 1st, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Randy I’m guilty as charged. I did support Cashman. Now I don’t my support changed when the Montero trade was announced.

    I also want a new manager.

    C

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Betsy May 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
    Blake, I don’t find our players uninteresting……..are you referring to off or on the field? I don’t care one iota about personality off field and on field, it’s all about results. I just don’t agree with Rich at all. I think Yankee fans want to win -period – and don’t care how they go about it.
    ///

    I have to disagree with your original take on Rich’s post. And I also have to disagree somewhat with Blake.

    I think, actually, rather than the “entertainment” (obviously meant pejoratively) oriented fan needs to be differentiated from the fan who “just wants to win”, and the fan who is interested in interesting players (per Blake).

    My take is, the more nuanced baseball fan is actually the fan who most mourns the loss of a Montero, rather than the “entertainment” fan, because the former has more aptitude to appreciate the difference between that kind of hitter and Raul Ibanez (in the DH spot, for instance), more interest to watch that hitter evolve, and also interest in watching a rough catcher try to develop his skills behind the plate.

    My objection to the term “entertainment” in this regard is that it really evokes the taste of the fan who does not appreciate subtlety, nor even how to recognize it, as that fan is more interested in results than process or how the player achieved success (like Montero hitting a HR, rather than how Montero’s power manifests itself, for example, which may be unknowable at a certain level for the “entertainment’ fan).

    By my definition, the “entertainment” fan has much more in common with the fan who “just wants to win,” because the two are focused on end result much more than process or how success was achieved.

    Not to presume, but I think Rich is talking about a third kind of fan – clearly a fanbase that is vocal but a minority – who cares about winning, of course, but who is riveted by process. That’s what is interesting; watching the young player evolve, and I think maybe Rich’s “flashy” player reference is taken the wrong way.

    “Flash” I take to mean youth, potentially transcendent or exceptional skill that hasn’t reached its apogee but that is potent while still developing. That is always exciting. It’s exciting, for example, to watch Nova pitch, because Nova has demonstrated that he can be a dominant force in the rotation but he is also not complete, yet. There is excitement in witnessing his genesis.

    It was exciting yesterday, to watch Nunez play left. The fan considers his athleticism, tools, and youth, and then wants to watch to see how those elements serve him in an unfamiliar spot: playing left field. He never had to chase one down into the LCF gap, but that would have been interesting. Would he have gotten off the ball quickly enough to use his speed? Would his speed preclude that need? (I would say not, but just hypothetically speaking). It’s not simply that one hopes he makes the play!

    Losing Montero is crushing practically (for reasons enumerated here often enough to not repeat them), but it’s also crushing to the fan who understands the team’s history of OPS catchers (invoke Randy’s Yankee “DNA” term), the legacy of great bats in Yankee stadium, the constant opposite field threat he posed, etc.

    Again, it is the less thoughtful fan who “doesn’t care” what the team’s composition is, as long as it “wins”, IMO. Having said that, though, the thoughtful fan will always find baseball and the Yankees interesting, any way, because it’s baseball and it’s the Yankees. Even the idea that the Yankees are somewhat rote is interesting to this fan.

  56. Duh Innings May 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Ok I’m claiming this idea for Robertson to be the heir to Rivera because I proposed a Robertson or Soriano and David Aardsma dual closer for 2013 if Rivera retires on River Avenue Blues early in the year or just before it and some guy from that blog Tweeted my post about it like I was crazy when I am not. I think I proposed a Robertson/Soriano or Aardsma dual closer and by “dual closer” I mean Robertson doesn’t close all the games as I think Soriano or Aardsma would be good enough to close 7 to 10 games.

    Robertson is a solid reliever and has been since day one with the Yankees who is making only $1.6M this year (arbitration avoided) with a chance to make up to $1.625M total after performance bonuses (so a pithy $25K in performance bonuses.) He would be the closer for at least 10 MLB teams and I’m probably selling him short. It’s probably more like 15 MLB teams. Boston would sure kill for him now haha. He will have four full years of experience pitching for the Yankees and four full years of watching Mo close after this season. If Mo Heaven or whatever place forbid fell to injury, I would want Robertson, not Soriano, to be the closer until Mo returns.

    ‘Say Robertson receives as much as double his salary this season next or $3.2M which is what Phil Hughes is making this season. That’s still $11.8M less than what Mo is being paid this year. Making Robertson the closer might anger Soriano enough for Soriano to opt out of his contract. I doubt Soriano would opt out considering he’s due $14M for 2013, but maybe he’d think he can still close and get a three or four year deal for elsewhere or he could get the Yanks to give him a one-year $14M extension. While he is being paid a handsome $14M for 2012, the downside to that is he’d have to sing for his supper (next payday) as it’s his walk year. Does Soriano really want to do that? It’s better for him to opt out, make an easy $1.5M then sign a three or four year deal elsewhere where he probably makes less than $14M total in the first year than make a ton for only one year and pitch for his next payday. Cashman was so ridiculous for signing this guy with Mo still the closer and as if Mo was nearing the end after 2010. Mo wasn’t retiring after 2010 and how could he think, in 2010, that Soriano would be the closer in 2013 if Mo retires after this year? Insurance for Mo? Ok, but $35M? Three years?? Giving Soriano the power to walk or stay after the first or second year of the contract??? What an idiotic signing.

    If Soriano declined to opt out of his contract after this season, that’s $9.5M off the books ($11M he’s being paid this season – $1.5M his buyout if he opts out) and the Yanks are spared paying him $14M for 2013. That would be $28.5M off the books after 2012 in reliever salary alone (Mo’s $15M + Soriano’s $9.5M + Feliciano’s $4M for 2012) minus a $1.6M raise for Robertson (again he makes $3.2M if he was given hat) for $26.9M off the books after 2012 from Mo retiring, Soriano opting out and signing elsewhere, and Feliciano being let go, more if Robertson was paid less than $3.2M. The Yanks would clear $14M for 2013 if they traded Soriano’s 2013 (walk year) which I think they could certainly do considering they somehow someway unloaded Burnett. Soriano would be a low risk-high reward acquisition despite his $14M because he’d be a one-year commitment.

    If Mo retires and Soriano opts out or is traded after this season, Robertson was made the new Yankees closer with Aardsma saving some games (Aardsma saved 38 games in 2009 and 31 games in 2010 for 69 career saves and turns only 31 on December 27), Chamberlain comes back, and Wade has a good enough 2012 to be re-signed, the 2013 Yankees bullpen could be a nice and cheap Robertson / Aardsma / Chamberlain / Logan / Wade / Mitchell or Phelps / Second lefty TBD or Rapada re-signed if he has a good enough 2012 to be) where none of the relievers are beyond 2013 commitments money-wise and Robertson would be the most expensive reliever. Maybe Pineda is made into a setup man (for good or before he returns to starting) and the Yanks go with just one lefty reliever (Logan.)

  57. randy l. May 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “Are people still complaining about the Pineda Montero trade? Enough is enough…”

    patrick-

    you get the concept of an iceberg.

    only a small part is above the surface.

    the montero/pineda trade is the part of the iceberg that you see above the surface.

    there is a whole lot below the surface that you are not seeing.

    why don’t you and other’s see it?

    it’s really simple .

    you don’t look underneath things.

    you have jobs, you’re going to school, etc. it’s easy to go along when the yankees are winning without putting much mental energy into it and saying what a grand job cashman is doing.

    the yankees are an easy team to like because they win more than they lose, but right now they are heading towards major underachievement simply because management is mediocre.

    cashman needs to be slid sideways.

    that’s the issue, not simply montero/pineda

  58. MTU May 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Randy-

    I was a fence-sitter.

    I expected it to take a realtively long time to decide the merits of the trade.

    Always believed Montero would be good.

    Hoped Pineda would be too.

    That all changed in almost the blink of an eye.

    I did not think the risk with Pineda was so great.

    I only considered it but you actually seemed to see it.

    Cash has been good at getting the trout pond stocked but the organization doesn’t seem to have a clue how to grow fry to full-sized fish.

    Might be good if they decide to make some changes.

    Sliding Cashman sideway might be one of them.

    Hal runs the Yankees like a CPA not like a passionate fan.

    Only the Titanic will open up the wallet for now.

  59. Tank May 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I absolutely think there is some truth to the ‘entertainment’ factor with this team. Yankees have become boring. Fans are used to winning in conjunction with controversy, headlines, and flashy players.

    This team just has a bland feeling to it. They just kind of quietly go about their business and win enough to where their playoff spot is not in jeopardy. They are not dominating their competition, they are not doing it because of their elite players, it is more the cumulative effect of having solid ballplayers all around and a deep roster. As the summer goes on, they’ll probably start to separate themselves from most teams. The team kind of just has a “ho-hum” feel to it. The lineups are all just names at this point. Aside from Jeter, do we even have a deserving all star at any other position? Before, we used to have like 7 guys who were top 1-3 at their position.

    No MVP A-Rod to watch or “Murders Row & Cano” lineups we trot out there anymore. No Roger Clemens making a comeback. No wathcing guys like Wang and Melky give us a big boost like in 06 after all the injuries, or watching Joba strikeout 10 in Fenway in 08, or the craziness and emotional roller coaster of 09 with the walkoff wins, steroid scandal, new additions adjusting to NY, etc.. No Montero to eagerly await all his ABs. Not even watching both Killer B’s develop together at the ML level. No high ceiling youngsters, nor any elite performing veterans.

    Maybe winning in 09 took the edge off for some fans to where it isn’t always about the destination (WS), but rather, the journey. Yankees-Sox games have completely lost their edge too. We’re going to win our 90+ games every year and win the division or WC and with the 2nd WC, it is virtually assured. And it’s not even reasonable to scoreboard watch for the division until late in the summer.

    They’ve kind of come just became a solid, steady team. They used to be the Lakers, now they are the Spurs. It’s nice to win, but there should be some compelling reasons to watch too, some players to attach to, something/someone to get excited about when they do win. Montero would have been one of those guys. I mean, what is exciting about watching Granderson, Chavez, Ibanez, Kuroda, Martin, etc? To get excited that these veterans finally won rings? To get excited that Jeter won 6 or A-Rod won 2? It’s kind of ho-hum without compelling reasons to watch or root for guys.

    To see how young kids that you developed handle adversity and grow with you into a winning core is special. If not that, at least have some exciting controversial veterans to add some juice. This team has neither. Unexciting veterans, few kids. Even the kids, we’re watching lower-seeded guys like Nova, Nunez, Phelps, etc. hopefully outperform their mediocre projections, not watching guys with sick tools like Betances, Montero, Banuelos, etc. flash their brilliance and potential.

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  61. Duh Innings May 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am

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    If Mo took that year and $20M, he would retire the first $20M reliever as well as the greatest : )

    DO IT CASHMAN (or whoever the GM is after this season is haha.)

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2012 at 11:23 am

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    there is no one to stand up and say ” brian, pineda for montero is BS”.

    ———-

    Almost nobody in the industry (scouts, GM’s, etc…) thought the Yanks made a mistake with that trade. The Yanks were pretty much applauded by everyone except for some fans. Right now it looks like those fans were right. Only time will tell.
    ///

    This is another thing that constantly pops up here. Those who want to think this was some slam dunk clever trade by Cashman are forever pointing up that “everyone” said the Yankees won the trade.

    I’ve said this before: I would have been SURPRISED if the mainstream did not embrace this trade. It’s the same thing that happens in hockey: a skill player is exchanged for a “physical” player, and all the pundits applaud how “toughness” wins. This is the same cliched thinking that is rampant in baseball: the unconsidered cry that “pitching wins,” without any real context.

    Well, here’s the context: we already have pitching, and could have just signed Kuroda (if Darvish was out of their realm), and kept Montero, and have been better for it. The idea that people against this trade don’t know that pitching is important is just too stupid to even reply to.

    People who think don’t need MLB talking heads to weigh in on whether this trade was good for the New York Yankees. Those guys may be former players, but how closely do they follow the Yankees, really? They have no idea what’s in the system, for example. They know way less than the fan who follows the team super seriously. Just because some can’t think for themselves, doesn’t mean we all can’t.

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    I have to admit I am a Longoria fan and would feel plenty bad for him if he has a torn meniscus.

    Hopefully, Hughes has a good outing. I think he means he’ll have an RP mentality in terms of trying to aggressively finish off batters, not that he will pitch as if he were in the pen. I intend to attend the game and support him tonight. Also I assume DJ Mitchell will piggyback Hughes, although hopefully, we won’t need DJ tonight.

    As per what someone wrote, Matusz has good numbers at NYS career-wise. Matusz’s problem this year has been against righties though, not lefties who he has done very well against. So, looking for Teix and co. to do a good job and get Hughes a lead tonight.

    Again, I am not worried about our SP; as I have been saying even before they pitched this week, C and Kuroda would revert to top form, and I expect Nova and Pettitte when he returns to pitch well.

    As for hitting from DH, in a sss, so far our triple splits are .241/.303/.402, so those who applaud our revolving DH need to reassess.

    Pruf, good post and I might add that that fan who likes process anticipates process as ultimately being best for the long term health of the team, resulting in sustained winning. The year we won the WS, we had a lot of homegrown, energetic youth contributing to the cause. Now, not so much with the exception of Nova and occasionally Eduardo, who should get the start in LF tonight.

    Interesting article in BA on the new IFA rules and among other things, how they may affect being able to hide a player. Not sure if you need a sub: http://www.baseballamerica.com.....13333.html

    Aside from the special bat, the risk factor was a huge red flag in making the Trade.

    Good luck and Godspeed re: Pineda’s surgery today (fingers crossed).

  64. randy l. May 1st, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “The last 5 posts are going to be published in an omnibus”

    i had an omnibus back in the late 60′s in so cal. it got me in all kinds of trouble. we’d just stop at a corner at in hermosa beach and say ” anyone want to go to yosemite ?”.

  65. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am

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  66. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2012 at 11:31 am

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  67. Triple Short of a Cycle May 1st, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Those guys may be former players, but how closely do they follow the Yankees, really? They have no idea what’s in the system, for example

    —————————————————————-

    I have been on record with hating this trade but to say the Yankees have a ton of pitching talent coming through the pipeline is hopeful at best. Banuelos and Betances have been regressing for a while, Kuroda was never a long term solution so other then CC and Nova who were these other top of the rotation guys we have?

  68. darbodla May 1st, 2012 at 11:33 am

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    This brilliant evaluation of Mo is brought to you be the same brilliant baseball mind that said Doc Halladay was washed up a week ago. Yeah, that Halladay, with the 1.95 EA and 0.95 WHIP

  69. randy l. May 1st, 2012 at 11:38 am

    “Well, here’s the context: we already have pitching, and could have just signed Kuroda (if Darvish was out of their realm), and kept Montero, and have been better for it.”

    j.a.pru-

    the yankees really have relief pitching.

    i actually think relief pitching may be more important to the kind of team the yankees historically are because once they get a lead by bashing the ball, they need to close out the deal.

    mariano comes the closest to perfection the yankees could have ever gotten. even though starters throw more innings in a year. certain relief pitchers throw more important innings.

    i woud be more open to a “pitching wins” philosophy” if it differentiated starting and relief pitching.
    i love how strong the yankees are in the 7th , 8th , and 9th innings.

    cashman fell in love with the approach theo was taking. he thought that was the direction of baseball. well theo is out and cashman may be well on the way if one more big thing blows up in his face.

    there’s another nuanced trend going on. there are the stat guys in texas and tampa who seem smarter than the stat guys in new york and boston. all i know is that the yankees , even though they are still winning, are trending downward at the moment because of a management that is stick in five years ago and not really with it with the new realities of the game.

    the game has changed with all the young starts being signed up long term. the yankees can’t juts buy low hanging fruit the way they used to when they need an apple or orange.

  70. Shame Spencer May 1st, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “The Yanks were pretty much applauded by everyone except for some fans.”

    Doesn’t that say something, though?

    I mean, certainly it could mean nothing and prove only that the fans are out of touch with the reality of running a team. Or… it could be like when your watching a live sporting event and you listen to the commentators and they flat out lie about what you’re seeing.

  71. randy l. May 1st, 2012 at 11:47 am

    “it could be like when your watching a live sporting event and you listen to the commentators and they flat out lie about what you’re seeing.”

    you mean like how cnbc led the rally cries for the economy as they said nothing about the problems with credit default swaps and aig.

    it’s like i always say, “question authority”

    so how did our bet come out last night? there were some adventures out there in the outfield but all’s well that ends well :)

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