Game 24: Orioles at Yankees
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YANKEES (13-10)
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Alex Rodriguez DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez RF
Eric Chavez 3B
Andruw Jones LF
Russell Martin C
RHP Ivan Nova (3-0, 5.18)
Nova vs. Orioles
ORIOLES (15-9)
Endy Chavez LF
J.J. Hardy SS
Nick Markakis RF
Adam Jones CF
Matt Wieters C
Chris Davis 1B
Nick Johnson DH
Mark Reynolds 3B
Robert Andino 2B
RHP Jake Arrieta (1-2, 4.45)
Arrieta vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES Network and ESPN
WEATHER: It’s around 50 here in the Bronx with fog and drizzle in the forecast. It’s not raining now, but there is a chance of showers.
UMPIRES: HP Hunter Wendelstedt, 1B Dan Bellino, 2B Jerry Layne, 3B Bob Davidson.
THE GRANDY MAN: After last night’s homer, Curtis Granderson enters tonight’s game tied for the AL with Texas’ Josh Hamilton with nine long balls. He leads the majors with eight home runs at home.
SEVEN YEARS ON THE JOB: It may be hard to believe, but today marks the seventh anniversary of Robinson Cano’s Major League debut. He played his first game against Tampa Bay and went 0 for 3.
ON THIS DATE: Lou Gerhig’s streak of 2,130 consecutive games played ended on May 2, 1939 when he did not play in the Yankees’ 22-2 win vs. Detroit at Briggs Stadium.
(NOTE: I’ll be updating here every so often, but I’ll definitely be more active on Twitter. Follow me @vzmercogliano to join in the conversation.)
UPDATE, 7:30 p.m.: Girardi did have a good point about Nova — the guy sure knows how to wiggle out of trouble. After giving up a single to Hardy and double off the LF wall to Markakis with one out, Cano made a great over-the-shoulder catch in shallow RF and Nova struck out Davis to get out of the jam without allowing a run. A-Rod singled in the bottom half of the first for the Yankees, but that would be it. We’re scoreless heading into the second.
UPDATE, 7:45 p.m.: Relatively quick second inning. Nova allowed a walk and no more, while the Yanks went down 1-2-3.
UPDATE, 8:00 p.m.: After another quiet inning in the third, Wieters led off the fourth with a solo shot to RF. It’s 1-0 O’s.
UPDATE, 8:14 p.m.: Through four innings, A-Rod is 2 for 2, and the rest of the Yankees are 0 for 12. A-Rod sharply drove another single to CF, but nothing came of it. Cano continues to struggle. He was completely fooled by a breaking ball well out of the strike zone in an 0-2 count. Not a good sign.
UPDATE, 8:34 p.m.: Very strange fifth inning for the Yanks. With Chavez at the plate, he took a pitch to make the count 1-2. Suddenly, the Girardi and a trainer came out and had to help him off of the field. He looked dizzy, but it’s impossible to tell what caused it. Eduardo Nunez came into finish the at-bat, and struck out — but the strikeout is charged to Chavez, since he started the at-bat. No word on what Chavez’s injury is yet. The Yanks have a very thin bench now, with only Chris Stewart remaining among position players. Still 1-0 Orioles.
UPDATE, 8:49 p.m.: Nova’s penchant for putting runners on finally comes back to bite him in the top of the sixth, as two walks and a groundout put runners on the corners. Andino drove in a run on an infield single, but Nunez snagged a liner and threw out the runner at first for your typical 5-5-3 inning ending double play to limit the damage. Nova is at 97 pitches, so I doubt we’ll see him come out for the seventh. It’s 2-0 O’s.
UPDATE, 8:56 p.m.: A-Rod grounds into an inning ending double play to end the sixth. The Yankee bats have been awfully quiet tonight…
UPDATE, 9:10 p.m.: After giving up a solo homer to Markakis and a double off of the top of the LCF wall to Wieters, Nova is done with one out in the seventh. I was surprised to see Girardi keep him out there after the homer. Clay Rapada is into pitch. It’s 3-0 Orioles.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: The Yanks have managed just five hits through five innings and haven’t had a runner get past second base. And into pitch the eighth is… Freddy Garcia. It’s 5-0 O’s.
UPDATE, 9:48 p.m.: The Yankees go down 1-2-3 in the eighth. Arrieta has gotten through eight innings on 108 pitches. A great performance, but the Yankees have looked flat-out bad at the plate.
Let’s take the series tonight. C’mon Nova.
Play tonight, win tonight!
Is there a reason Jeter and Cano refuse to play defense behind Nova this season?
Saw that double coming a mile away lol
Never mind then
Come on Nova..
Nova!!
Yessss
Now let’s put a couple of early runs on the board.
You gotta love Nova….he battles
Cano so far OPSing .400 with RISP, .400 vs LHP, and .500 with men on.
OPSing .800 vs righties and bases empty.
Cano is just lost right now. He’s in between on everything. Late on the fastball, early on the offspeed stuff. He’s killing them in the middle of the order.
theREALkevin May 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Cano is just lost right now. He’s in between on everything. Late on the fastball, early on the offspeed stuff. He’s killing them in the middle of the order.
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they really need him to get going
Hey guys!
Good job by Nova in the first, better yet in the second. It’s good not to be down in the second inning for a change
Go Yankees!
Ball 4 Tex
4-32 skid for Tex.. This has been going on for a long time now.
Ball 4 Tex
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He should have been struck out on ball 3
Cano needs a day off. Since the beginning of ages, a slumping guy takes a rest. It could be a fresh start. Of course, we don’t have enough bench right now
Triple, I know, I thought that was strike 3 also.
Yankees with 3 runs in their last 20 innings.
Time to pick the lineup out of a hat.
Its dead in here tonight
Two things from Girardi’s pre-game:
1. Love how this is supposed to appease everyone re Tex: “The law of averages usually catches up.” Sorry, but that’s wishful thinking. Does Girardi mean he’s going to just produce worse than last year because his averages have been going straight downhill. He’s certainly not someone I want anywhere near the “heart of the order”.
2. He talks about Stewart’s offensive struggles when we have our regular catcher hitting even worse?
CHAD — how does that get discussed? And why do only catchers batting WAY below the Mendoza line seem to be able to please that manager?
I’ve gotta stop reading anything Girardi says. Talk about having ZERO power to instill confidence.
Can you imagine how many runs Jeter would have now if the middle of the order did something? They are just brutal. Tex is completely lost.
Banuelos just wiggled out of a jam Ivan Nova style.
Nova’s breaking stuff seems to be great tonight
Yanks went down 1-2-3 pretty quickly.
but they will win tonight
Yea he made a nice athletic play on that high hopping comebacker to throw the guy out.
Trying to watch him, The Son, and The Vato at the same time. The screen keeps doing that funky start and stop thing, probably have too many windows open.
Cano’s timing is off….doesn’t look like he’s getting his foot down on time…..he will be fine……I don’t know what to say about Tex….im seriously worried that he fell off a cliff two gears ago and is now slowly declining from where he fell to….
Hi blake! Tell us more about Manny!
The offense is only going to get worse over the next few years especially if they let Nick walk
Wang,
Girardi is crap. I’ve been saying it since day 1. A title that was bought in 2009 and aided by Damon & Matsui still being good doesn’t change the fact that Girardi is mediocre. Unfortunately it seems to have bought him a ridiculously long leash and Cashman seems to love him for some reason. Either that or he can’t admit he made a mistake in the first place by hiring him.
Girardi sucks at in game management, he’s stubborn, he never admits his mistakes post game (it’s always bad luck according to him), and it doesn’t seem like he’s very good at firing up the players. He defers to veterans too much also. I’d love to see him go, but who knows if that will ever happen at this point. Obviously they are OK with first round exits in the playoffs so the manager will not be a victim this year again I’m guessing as long as they make the playoffs (it’d be a joke if they didn’t with the payroll & talent).
Joelsherman1
Can confirm Baseball America report that #Yankees signed 26-yr-old Cuban OF Adonis Garcia.
Nova is really good….people will notice one day. Montero is starting to hit…..shocker.
Why isn’t Tex trying a revamp ala Grandy with K-Long? Or maybe he tryed and didn’t work?
So Gardner has a pain in his elbow??
Um, it’s Yankee fans who have the pain, a pain in the ASS, and that pain is General Manager Brian Cashman.
I’ve tried to keep it under control, but it’s just too much. I know you read this board, Mr. Brian Cashman, sir, so you need to know that I have had enough of you monkeying with the team I grew up loving.
From this moment forward, Mr. Brian, sir, I am dedicating myself to using any means necessary to galvanize fan opinion against you and your reign of error in the Bronx, up to and including the use of bitingly ironic Twitter hashtags.
I will not stop until you have been replaced as General Manager, Mr. Brian Cashman, sir.
Although I may reconsider if the team does well.
Bitterly yours,
Nick in San Francisco, formerly of New York, New York.
Its the managers fault that Arod is broken down, Tex is just broken and Cano has 4 RBI’s this season?
Jmv,
I just saw the second inning….command still isn’t there…..but he Kd a guy on a 3-2 CU and made some big pitches to get out of a jam…..he’s got the stuff and intangibles to be special if he will just challenge guys and pitch ahead…..that’s what he’s trying to learn
Blake,
LoHudders already noted Nova as “El Hombre”
“Why isn’t Tex trying a revamp ala Grandy with K-Long? Or maybe he tryed and didn’t work?”
I think the changes he’d need to make would be much more significant …..Granderson just shortened up and reduced some movement …..Tex would have to change his entire swing plane and approach from the left side and that’s tough to do at his age…..he needs to do something though.
Triple- no. But players sucking doesn’t preclude him the manager from also being crap in the first place.
jmv May 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Why isn’t Tex trying a revamp ala Grandy with K-Long? Or maybe he tryed and didn’t work?
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Exactly — that was his big talk after his bad season last year. He was going to work on his swing bla, bla, bal — instead, he comes into spring training and talks about bunting?! What?
I thought this guy was intelligent. Instead, he appears to be a very selfish player — swinging for his HRs and that’s about it. Or perhaps he’s just a steriod guy after all who who looks less than average without the help…I’m starting to seriously wonder.
“Triple Short of a Cycle
says:
May 2, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Its the managers fault
that Arod is broken
down, Tex is just broken
and Cano has 4 RBI’s this
season?”
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Maybe he could avoid putting all three in a row in the lineup?
“LoHudders already noted Nova as “El Hombre””
Pujols isn’t using it these days…..so why not.
man that weiters is good
Will the yankees ever score again this season?
Maybe he could avoid putting all three in a row in the lineup?
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Who do you want to move there Martin? Jones?
“I thought this guy was intelligent. Instead, he appears to be a very selfish player — swinging for his HRs and that’s about it.”
Trying to walk and hit homers might be the best strategy for Tex now……its not what they want for that money….but it may just be what it is.
Maybe he could avoid putting all three in a row in the lineup?
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Just one more way “the donkey” hurts the team’s chances to win.
Thanks, Blake!
3-2 CU… Youk remembers that, LOL
I hope that he learns to attack hitters in AAA. Also hope the Yankees don’t give up on him
blake,
Then get him out of the middle of the order.
I’m sure that Nick J. Is injured after that slide
“Then get him out of the middle of the order.”
They should vs rhp
Well, you could make it sort of a meritocracy:
Gardner
Jeter
Granderson
Swisher
Cano
Rodriguez
Teixeira
DH
Catcher
(when all healthy obviously)
Wow — remember when they Yankees couldn’t get rid of Tino fast enough so they could bring up Nick Johnson, the batting phenom?
I hated him at the time, because I was a loyal Martinez fan, but honestly, Nick’s gotten a raw deal in terms of his health.
willwill May 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Will the yankees ever score again this season
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Usually I don’t agree with a troll statement, but I got to say this is actually a good question.
So frustrating this club is becoming…
“Who do you want to move
there Martin? Jones?”
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I’ll go with whoever is hotter those days. Or at least give someone a day off. Or slot someone between them. But just watch them fail over and over doesn’t seem to work
Where’s Trisha who has kept up the mantra that pitching is what’s important? You gotta score some runs or you’re going nowhere — even if your SP pitches a shut-out.
I like your idea, jacksquat.
Torre would go with the hot bat. But I hate to even bring up Torre’s name because HE’s the reason we’re stuck with wonderboy Manager in the first place.
Wang,
I support more MTU’s approach: balance is the way
Hey, a clean hit…
Banuelos is out after 60 pitches…..after retiring the first two hitters in the 3rd…..I knkwnits his first start off the DL but good grief coukd he not finish the inning….they drive me crazy with these arbitrary pitch counts and innings limits……he was starting to find a groove a little bit and they pull hin because he’s thrown 60 pitches……he struck out 5 in 2 and 2/3 innings.
A-Rod can keep his spot, by the way, LOL
Cano is terrible..
Guess the famous home run drill with K Long this afternoon didn’t work.
3 and 2/3 sorry….
What is robbie swinging at…..
Blake,
Do you know how was the weather?
Will Tex pop up or ground into the shift?
Cano has not looked this bad since first half of 08.
Tex lives in the 1-2 count
they need to start booing
7 against the royals and orioles, you gotta do at least 5-2 6-1 to feel its successful
Jmv,
Not sure about the weather……id call today a positive outing though…..hopefully they start letting him go deeper and stretching him out.
Every time I see Tex whiff a CU in the outter corner… mmm actually I can’t say or think anymore about that
this team looks completely lost. Pitching and hitting. Only the BP is pulling its weight. I’d bench Cano for a couple games cause he is swinging at everything again.. old crappy habits
Attention new york yankee offense, this isn’t the post season yet.
You can tell every other team has the book on Tex.
Cano trying to hard but my question is why? He’s not a yr from free agency, he’s not hurt(unless he’s playing through it which he could be the case), he’s not trying to justify a big pay day, he isn’t being asked to carry the team besides being the best player/ hitter
Blake – you gotta figure that was all they were going to let Banuelos go. That is about what Stoneburner had in his first start back in AA.
There is still plenty of season and you don’t want to mess with his back, so today in particular I am fine with handling it that way.
It seems like CC is the only starting pitcher who can have a 1,2,3 inning
K Long is overrated.
Looks like Ivan the Terrible tonight than Supernova.
yeesh….
“Will the yankees ever score again this season
Usually I don’t agree with a troll statement, but I got to say this is actually a good question.”
Hamels, Matusz, and now Arieta have all pitched great this series. The Yankee offense has issues, that I agree with, but you can’t take anything away from the way the O’s have been pitching.
Speaking of Cano, Girardi said. “I haven’t seen him chase. It’s not like I’ve seen him be overaggressive.”
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Welp scratch that after Cano’s last AB swinging at a ball that went about 58 feet.
Blake,
Let’s be patient
Don’t give this monster anything good. Put him on like in the 1st inning.
Offense, offense, offense.
Isn’t anybody impressed with the way the O’s have been pitching?
Ok maybe Ivan the Limit The Damage.
Cano definitely needs a day off, he is in swing at anything mode right now. It’s annoying how he is the only player on the team who never gets a game off. Tex is just a gigantic disaster. We always hear about the adjustments that he made and it’s always the same bs with him pulling the ball to the 1st or 2nd baseman.
jmv May 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Wang,
I support more MTU’s approach: balance is the way
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JMV, Agreed. That was implicit in my statement. I should have said it directly. Balance is CRITICAL!!
Tar,
I am. But that can’t hide the middle of the order struggles. It’s beyond this series
Tar, come on. Obviously they have pitched well but the Yankees lineup is underperforming right now. 3 runs in your last 22 innings is not good enough. I don’t care what pitchers you’re facing. These guys aren’t all Roy Halladays.
Tex could learn a lot watching Ibanez hit
I was being mocked yesterday by a Red Sux buddy because the O’s beat us, but that’s what I said: their pitching is not to be scoffed at this season.
We’re still not hitting, though…
what the hell?
There goes Chavez
Jeez. Chavez is actually one of the only guys hitting OK lately.
Hilarious. We are now operating with a 1 man bench.
joy their best hitter gets dizzy
Eric Chavez and Nick Johnson on the same field, something had to give.
Sudden flu? Please let it be something quick. I LIKE Chavez!
Good thing it’s not an injury…
can anything else go wrong?? my goodness.
Now Girardi and Cashman look like even bigger idiots than they are.
has a batter ever puked after stepping out?
I can not believe it
Nunez in the middle on an XBOX inning, give him a minute.
Bad AJ aka Normal AJ has made his first appearance of 2012.
Nick in SF May 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Eric Chavez and Nick Johnson on the same field, something had to give.
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Really tempting fate there.
Chan Ho Park explains what happened to Eric Chavez.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t.....8gQ42AjQCg
Joe just told everyone that he is not going to DL Chavez and they are going to play with 23 this weekend in KC. Everyone is busting a gut.
AndrewMarchand
Dizziness, swallowed chewing tobacco and jaw are the leading candidates as to what happened to Chavez.
might as well go to bed. This is pretty bad. Meanwhile, I watch Montero go 4-4 last night and is 1-2 tonight.
That was below the belt, LGY.
“Tar, come on. Obviously they have pitched well but the Yankees lineup is underperforming right now.”
I agree they are under-performing but why does everybody expect them to break out against some very good pitching performances?
Sometimes you have to tip your hat. The fact that you may been previously struggling is unfortunate, but irrelevant.
What happened, Chavez got sick?
”
Captain Clutch says:
May 2, 2012 at 8:33 pm
AndrewMarchand
Dizziness, swallowed
chewing tobacco and jaw
are the leading
candidates as to what
happened to Chavez.”
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I vote the curse of the Andino
“Dizziness, swallowed chewing tobacco and jaw are the leading candidates as to what happened to Chavez.”
That’s what I suspected. What if this was a playoff game? Jeez, just say no.
“Joe just told everyone that he is not going to DL Chavez and they are going to play with 23 this weekend in KC.”
Might as well get used to it, the Yanks have to be down to 22 by 2014 as per the new CBA.
At what point will the Yankees address their problem at the catching position? Even Girardi wasn’t this bad as a hitter.
Joe says he’s going to call up another reliever and just go with 8 men on the field.
Nunez please don’t throw any balls away
Where is the offense?
Chavez got backs spasms.
Where is the offense?
Good pitching?
Arrieta had a 4.45 ERA going into this game, a 5.05 ERA last year, and 4.82 career ERA.
“Where is the offense?”
Charleston?
At what point will the Yankees address their problem at the catching position? Even Girardi wasn’t this bad as a hitter.
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The sad thing is Chris Stewart is a better hitter right now
“Joe just told everyone that he is not going to DL Chavez and they are going to play with 23 this weekend in KC.
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All joking aside would anyone be surprised if they decided to do it.
“Good pitching?”
I don’t care what the stats say, how would you characterize his outing so far tonight?
Or Matusz or Hammels outings?
this is getting out of hand a bit. Let’s see what Nova’s made of here.
Where is the offense
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*shrugs shoulders* Seattle ?
Sorry had to go there
Maybe Mo will get his chance to play CF…
i would characterize it as they didn’t give up a lot of home runs, thus, the Yankees don’t score b/c we all know that they are a HR or bust team.
Tar May 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
“Good pitching?”
I don’t care what the stats say, how would you characterize his outing so far tonight?
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I would characterize it as the Yankee lineup making him look better than he is.
infield back in again. two runs would be a very large mountain to climb with this offense right now
Tar, the Yankees ineptitude right now is contributing to them looking good.
They are pitching well but the Yankees should be hitting better than this, period. I don’t care who the pitcher is who or how well they’re throwing.
Believe it or not, the Yankees batters do actually somewhat dictate how they perform. It’s not just 100% how the guy is throwing out there.
I have bit my tounge long enogh. Arod and Tex are the worst signings in the history of the Yankees. They represent all that is wrong with this team. I dont need another ground ball you are getting paid millions to get hits. They are rally killers. Watching this team make me want to puke. For Gods sake dump these over paid bums and start from scratch.
This is way beyond a joke as are the lame fans who sit there and stare into space or the freaking Sushi and dont boo or scream or cheer. The new stadium sucks, the team sucks and that jackasss playing the organ he sucks too. For Gods sake can you learn a new tune besides DAYO.
this is where I don’t like the Montero trade because when the offense goes stale like it is now, Jesus would have injected some young and power to the lineup and elevate others in the offense.
“Tar, the Yankees ineptitude right now is contributing to them looking good.”
respectfully—- Bull shi#
For some perspective the Yankees offense is top 5 in all of baseball for
Avg
Runs
OBP
SLG
OPs
The O’s have been pitching there arse off this series.
Keep the infield in Andino is too fast to double up
DP, please.
Jesus would have injected some young and power to the lineup and elevate others in the offense.
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Yep, before Nunez came in, Martin was the youngest guy in the lineup, i believe. OLD!
Freakin’ luck.
It will probably take the Yanks 10 more innings to score 2 runs
Two guys who were hitting better, Gardner and Swisher, are not in the lineup, plus some guys have sunk into slumps, so this is not the same lineup that was scoring runs earlier.
Ugh. Fricking Nova…
Can Montero pitch too? ***facepalm***
Better freakin’ luck.
I really think Jennifer Lopez gets hotter with age! You?
The play that saved the season?
Only time will tell.
This team is a joke. Glad they can all have a good laugh despite their horrible play. This is pathetic. Dont say we need gardy, or swish. This lineup still has cano, tex, arod, jeter, grandy, no reason to not score 3-6 runs each night.
I didn’t say “they need Gardy and Swish”, my point was a reply to Tar, that this is not the same lineup as earlier and it is not Arrieta pitching especially well.
so this is not the same lineup that was scoring runs earlier.”
JackSquat
Good point. They will be better with those two guys back
Everybody around here has taken up the mantle (
) of posting how bad the offense is. It’s just not accurate. Are there concerns hell yeah, but the last three games has been all about pitching. Not an inept offense.
They’re not this bad. It remains to be seen whether or not they can be a very good team but things will get better.
Tar,
Yawn. Yanks overall stats are always propped up by huge games with some stretches of crap hitting in between.
Same way last season & their lack of consistent hitting killed them in the Detroit series when they got knocked out.
Need Granderson to hit a 3 run homer with no one on base.
Captain Clutch May 2nd, 2012 at 8:47 pm
It will probably take the Yanks 10 more innings to score 2 runs
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Scored only 2 runs in 23 innings in this series, so only giving them 10 innings to score 2 more might be generous.
They may not be able to score, but they’ve got the biggest bullpen in baseball. So they’ve got that going for them, which is nice.
Giambi has been able to hang on for a long time.
“Get a good pitch to hit”
First pitch double play by A-Rod.
Yup, that’s all awesome pitching.
Doesn’t even TRY to work the count for a pitch he could drive. Bails the guy out.
Nope, that’s all Arrieta folks. That’s not on A-Rod. Not one bit.
LOL
Well that ended quickly…
The lineup doesn’t have enough guys hitting well to get a rally going for anyone to be able to kill it.
“Yawn. Yanks overall stats are always propped up by huge games with some stretches of crap hitting in between.
Same way last season & their lack of consistent hitting killed them in the Detroit series when they got knocked out.”
Yawn– really. They had the 2nd best record in all of baseball last year.
But I see your point— May 2nd is the time for Lohud to worry about post-season offense production.
Tar, I’m sorry to say it, but you’re missing the point.
The Yankees’ offense has just been a bunch of runs this season.
Take away those runs and there’s literally nothing left.
Think about it.
I am surrpised that Nova is starting the 7th inning. But I guess binder Joe doesn’t want to use the bullpen.
Second best record in all of baseball, so what?
They got knocked out in the first round. Their hitting disappeared.
It’s the same lineup this year. They’ll put up good numbers overall in the regular season, but let’s see what they do in the postseason against Detroit & Texas this season.
I bet nova loves that arod, and cano are having a jolly ole time. Must be fun to lose. This team has people hitting in the .100-.200 in their lineup. Think about that. And people said our pitching sucked.
The montero trade is going too be extremely one sided in seattles favor.
Also this particular yankee team is terrible against rh pitching.Last years also.
We need a better pitching staff,and a more balanced team against rh pitching(splits).
Release garcia,send hughes to aaa,pettitte takes hughes spot,and have tryouts for the last spot,phelps,mitchell,etc…
Get a 3b next year,and dh arod.
Nic ejob Arod. You are an automatic out. Bat eight and or work the beer stand for all I care. Every time you get up I want to throw a rock at the TV. Biggest piece of crap in MLB history. Hey if Arods cuz the drug pimp is reading why dont you call me like last time to debate his career. Oh that was before he admitted cheating.
Still got my number you dirty pimp drug dealing scum?
“Yawn. Yanks overall stats are always propped up by huge games with some stretches of crap hitting in between.
Same way last season & their lack of consistent hitting killed them in the Detroit series when they got knocked out.”
100% correct.
Soon, they’ll score 13 runs a game and make the stats look not that bad. This is what they are.
By the way, your comments reek of “cap tipping”
106th pitch, I think he’s done Joe.
Nova is tired. With our BP this shouldn’t happen
Nova’s OPS against this season is atrocious. Hitters are hammering him.
wtf joe?
Why is Nova in this game at 106 pitches. Use your strength Joe which is the Pen
Yeah that homerun is real surprising. If Logan is warming up why isn’t he in to face the lefty? Binder Joe sleeping on the job once again. Nova and Hughes just can’t keep the ball in this ballpark to lefties.
The SP this year has giving up a ton of homeruns.
The yankees hit more homers than the rangers. Does that mean we have a better offense? NOPE. They have a lineup filled with .300 hitters. Thats the difference. We have a all or nothing offense. They have a consistant offense. They have a 2009 yankees offense. We have a 2011 yankees lineup. Which is not good enough to win a world title.
“Take away those runs and there’s literally nothing left.
Think about it.”
Does that mean we have to give back the the victories against the Sox?
Once Nova gets hammered twice in a row, you know is tired (line out last inning). Why is he still pitching?
Why does is matter if nova gave up
Another run? Game is already over. Yanks checked out a LONG time again. We wont score.
Girardi is absolutely the worst at knowing when a pitcher is done. He has absolutely no feel for that and I guess Rothschild doesn’t either.
they got a plane to catch.
Girardi this is embarassing, get your butt out there and make a move.
Career high pitches for Nova. Last was 100 pitches last May, the next start he got rocked.
Oh lets go for more Chard and Sushi dear.
Don’t worry, Joe. He can go 200 pitches. We have a lot of SP. We can allow an injury.
*110 pitches
Last year the horrible offense was overshadowned by the stellar pitching. Now that our pitching isn’t carrying us, you see just how bad the offense really is.
Don’t give me that crap about scorring run last season. stats are misleading. we’ve scored a lot of runs this season and look at our offense. One of the worst in baseball.
It means without runs, there is no scoring!
Wang is Taiwan – I’ve been staying away from posting but have been reading the forum. This place has turned into a cesspool of negativity, Montero chest-thumping, and Cashman bashing such that I have no desire to subject myself to the thrashing that posters get who disagree with the “prevailing winds.”
But to answer your question – my mantra that good pitching stops good hitting is evident right now. It won’t always be the Yankees with the good pitching. So two runs – those two by Baltimore – could end up telling the tale. Which is why I say that all an offense has to score to win is one run more than the opposition.
Anyway, I also believe the more negative you put out there, the more effect it has on the universe. This forum alone could stop the Yankees from ever winning again. Not everyone of course, but it seems that the powerhouse force running the forum right now isn’t necessarily of the flowery optimistic breed. I do best with positivity and never losing hope. Not much of that in them thar hills!
Ciao
“Girardi is absolutely the worst at knowing when a pitcher is done.”
That’s one of the oddest things. For a guy who played the game and did have smarts on the field and did the best with the talent he was born with, Girardi has zero feel for the game as a manager.
Maybe we would win game at home if people in new york would show up to the damn games. What a joke this stadium has become.
Wow Girardi had to have been the only guy in the world who didnt see that coming. WTF
Girardi is the real Clueless Joe. I can’t wait for the Yanks to get a new manager with a feel for the game.
Tabbert May 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
The yankees hit more homers than the rangers. Does that mean we have a better offense? NOPE. They have a lineup filled with .300 hitters. Thats the difference. We have a all or nothing offense. They have a consistant offense. They have a 2009 yankees offense. We have a 2011 yankees lineup. Which is not good enough to win a world title.
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The Texas Rangers have scored 5 runs or more in 11 of their 24 games.
The Yankees have scored 5 runs or more in 16 of their 23 games.
Leaving Nova in was STUPID. Wow.
I like Joe, but that was quite a dumb move.
And Nova has always given up a ton of hard hit balls. He got pretty lucky last season when many were caught. He’s more like a number 5 starter in reality.
“This forum alone could stop the Yankees from ever winning again.”
Oh man. I knew I frequented this blog for a reason.
A total and complete joke. If you see the girl CAshman had an affair with and her actions in court it explains EVERYTHING. You put a man in charge of a business worth several billion dolars and he gets involved with an insane woman, well how well do you think he is going to do at his job. CAshman makes very bad choices off and on the filed.
A person with his judgement I would not give the keys to an ice cream shop to run.
Thats right Brian Cashman is a fool and acts like one in public. You trust him??
Girardi cost them 2 runs tonight by leaving him in there. This team has no will tonight. It’s frustrating as a fan to see them play like this.
LGY, let’s see that stat at the end of 162 games. I have a feeling Texas will pass us in that.
Oh great..When he dove for a double down the line….
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Andrew Marchand?
Eric Chavez left tonight’s game with a whip lash and a possible concussion.
“By the way, your comments reek of “cap tipping””
My cap gets kind of rank, so yeah it does reek.
But again, have you not watched the Orioles pitch this series, or is it all on inept top 5 ( actually probably 2 or 3 in all of baseball ) Yankee offense?
Anyway whatever… carry-on…. the Yankees offense sucks now, will suck in the first round, and is only good for blow out victories. Okie dokie.
Coming into this game opponents were wrapping Nova to a tune of .343 avg.
He has done this with smoke and mirrors. Lots of run support.
We scored 15 runs in one game. Thats a week worths of runs. So, yes… Our numbers Are misleading.
“Eric Chavez left tonight’s game with a whip lash and a possible concussion.”
Whoa! Amazing. I hope he is ok.
I could possibly giving Joe a pass on the Markakis homer, but then he needed to make a move to the pen.
Letting Weiters bat against Nova after he plunked Jones was just brain dead.
Chavez saw what was coming and got out. Maybe he’s the smart one.
Tabbert May 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 pm
We scored 15 runs in one game. Thats a week worths of runs. So, yes… Our numbers Are misleading.
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That doesn’t address my comment at all. My post was not about runs per game, but which offense was more consistent.
This is what bugs me about Girardi sometimes. Hughes pitched muched better last night and Joe didn’t let him get 1 more out.
ONE out guy, Girardi. ONE.
Tar
Happy to take bets on where the Yanks will end up in the playoffs this year & Baltimore’s starting rotation ERA at the end of year
In 2011, the Yankees scored 5 runs or more in 85 times
In 2011, the Rangers scored 5 runs or more 85 times.
Ugh. More fricking Nova… And where’s the fricking offense?!?!?!?!?
Lgy, the rangers have like 6 guys hitting .300, have scored more runs than us than us this season, and face better pitching than us to this point. So, what are u getting at?
Yet, their hitting failed them drastically in the playoffs, when it matters most.
So I guess that says that regular season stats may be slightly overrated.
Their lineup construction & approach against the Tigers killed them.
Don’t care about the overall consistency, right now they are missing two guys who were hitting well, and the middle of their lineup is AWOL.
Tabbert May 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Lgy, the rangers have like 6 guys hitting .300, have scored more runs than us than us this season, and face better pitching than us to this point. So, what are u getting at?
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That your comment about the Rangers offense being more consistent has no basis in fact.
Cashman really should have traded whatever it took to get Halladay.
He’s the only pitcher you can really count on to be lights out every single time out.
“Cashman really should have traded whatever it took to get Halladay.”
CC was the better choice, but they have to let him hit………..
We beat a strggling tigers team, angels team, and redsox team. We lost series to both the rays, and rangers. Lost a home series to the o’s and split a 4 game series vs the twins. This team has been anything but impressive this year.
If the Yanks don’t come back they will be 4th and the Sux 5th in the East and we are into May already. YIKES
Nick! Halladay just got rocked tonight, LOL
In 2011 the Red Sox scored 5 runs or more 77 times.
The Tigers did it 79 times.
Cardinals 78 times.
Blue Jays 76 times.
LGY
You have no baseball IQ if you think the yankees lineup is as gold as the rangers.
The rangers offense leads the majors in
Runs
BA
Ops
Obp
I can keep going if you want. But, your yankees bias in blinding your from reality.
C’on… This team is not as bad as it seems tonight… But there are serious issues that have to be solved. The all or nothing approach, for instance
here comes a DP
“Happy to take bets on where the Yanks will end up in the playoffs this year & Baltimore’s starting rotation ERA at the end of year”
theREALkevin
Look my whole point is how good the O’s pitched “THIS SERIES”.
I agreed the offense has a lot of questions that still need to be answered. But right now—- watch the freaking game! The O’s have been lights and it’s not because of an inept offense, or how the Yankees did in the first round last year.
Cano!
“Nick! Halladay just got rocked tonight, LOL”
What?!??! But… but… aw, man. No one can be trusted.
In 2011, the Rangers scored 2 runs or less 38 times.
In 2011, the Yankees scored 2 runs or less 28 times.
The more consistent Rangers offense got completely shut down 10 more times than the Yankees last year.
the all or nothing approach is and has been a concern since 2010. Nothing new here…it is amazing that anyone is surprised. HR or bust.
since 2009 this team is down 60 home runs per season their BA has dropped 65 points
yet we are such a good offense.
Tex obviously was a steroid user, if not then he suffers from sever mental issues.
“But there are serious issues that have to be solved. The all or nothing approach, for instance”
The Yankees do not address any offensive problems because they don’t believe there are any problems, which is a problem!
Tar
I always watch the games. Trust me. I never said the O’s aren’t pitching well. Yanks are better than this though. And despite their overall stats I think their lineup has more flaws in its construction than you do I guess. It’s OK, I’m willing to move on from it if you are….
Tabbert May 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
LGY
You have no baseball IQ if you think the yankees lineup is as gold as the rangers.
The rangers offense leads the majors in
Runs
BA
Ops
Obp
I can keep going if you want. But, your yankees bias in blinding your from reality.
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I thought we only care about consistency because overall numbers are misleading?
The Rangers, after all, scored 18 runs in one game.
“The rangers offense leads the majors in
Runs
BA
Ops
Obp
I can keep going if you want. But, your yankees bias in blinding your from reality.”
Haha this is funny. keep going— where do the Yankees fall Mr. Yankees suck in offense?
The Rangers have gone to the WS the last 2 years. What is w/ the comparisons? They are and have been a better team the last few years. Nuff said.
Seriously I understand this is a game and everything but the laughing when your playing like this is kind of a turn off.
They’re showing the ESPN broadcast over here. They just showed video of Nunez getting in the game. The guys were all laughing because after he’d done his whole pre-batting routine (crosses himself, kisses his bat, etc.), he then discovers a crack. So he has to go back all the way back to the dugout for another bat.
I get the idea that Nunez is either intentionally funny or just fun to laugh at (in a good way). They guys definitely like to tease him.
unknown, that should fall on Girardi, don’t you think?
you have to blame Cashman for this 200 million dollar lineup loaded with no trade clauses preventing any moves to make. because of that we have to ride it out. Don’t think for a minute that the empty seats a tthe new stadium are just because of price and economy… this team has been dreadfully boring to watch snce 2009..
when we win, it’s usually just one big inning and8 sleeper innings. George understood HR’s sell tickets. Hal doesn’t know anything about baseball so he listens to Cashman, aside from $$.
LGY – interesting stat. Surprising to the point where I’m wondering if you made it up.
Oh dear, Freddy’s out there…
I hope whoever they call up to replace Chavez gets the memo about not putting in any effort whatsoever.
This team is absolutely pathetic.
Always sad. The end of a career in a meaningless role.
i love getting served by the Orioles.
repeat.. that is bad. i mean really bad. Yet the millionaires go home at night and don’t care.
Tabbert I will help
Yankees 2012 offense for all of baseball.
BA– 4th
OPS–2nd
OBP–3rd
SLG–2nd
Runs–4th
Wow they suck.
Oh wait it’s because of stat padding with the 15 runs against the sox–right?
Carlo
http://www.baseball-reference......ubmitter=1
Yay, Freddy! Happy that this worked for him.
“Anyway, I also believe the more negative you put out there, the more effect it has on the universe. This forum alone could stop the Yankees from ever winning again.”
You’re out of your mind and you should just stop posting for good.
” I’ve been staying away from posting but have been reading the forum. This place has turned into a cesspool of negativity, Montero chest-thumping, and Cashman bashing such that I have no desire to subject myself to the thrashing that posters get who disagree with the “prevailing winds.”
what you really mean is that when kuroda gets hammered you post 100 times.
when kuroda pitches great you post zero times.
i turned the game on in the 7th but this O’s SP is not impressive, he has made some good pitches but he’s hung a few breaking balls that this dreadful offense is missing. then again this offense makes any SP look like an ACE!
There were 1,976 occasions last season when a team scored 5 runs or more.
Those teams had a .794 WP.
“Anyway, I also believe the more negative you put out there, the more effect it has on the universe. This forum alone could stop the Yankees from ever winning again.”
yowza
beedogs May 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
“Anyway, I also believe the more negative you put out there, the more effect it has on the universe. This forum alone could stop the Yankees from ever winning again.”
You’re out of your mind and you should just stop posting for good.
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ditto
randy – no not at all. you’re not calling me a liar are you? It’s because you and your pals have now taken over the forum with all of your nonstop Montero oozing and constant whining about Cashman. It may be fun for you. I guarantee you it’s not for a bunch of posters who haven’t been showing up anymore, and it’s not because they don’t believe in their position. It’s that they’ve grown tired of the fight. I know I have.
Yanks are already losing ground compared to previous seasons by getting thumped by Minnesota and Baltimore at home.
But keep telling yourselves that all is well.
5 runners in scoring postion the entire series.
this guy has never had a complete game.. of course his first is from the yankees. I hope the yanks lose 2 back to back perfect games… give these bums some humility.
jacksquat May 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 pm
5 runners in scoring postion the entire series.
well you say this is a good offense all the time. maybe you’re waking up.
OK so the Yankees have not had a runner to second base all night, there are thousands of empty seats in the lower bowl and our GM is paying for breat implants for an employee he is banging who is clinically insane.
Are any of you awake out there and can you add two plus two?
There were 2,882 occasions when a team scored 4 runs or less.
Those teams had a .298 WP
Teams that scored exactly 4 runs in a game had .519 WP. Teams that scored exactly 5 runs had a .650 WP.
Being able to consistently get over that 4 runs per game hump is what separates the elite teams.
since when is it a fight to post an opinion on a blog?
This place is Weird!!!!! It is just a game, grow up.
that’s Arrieta’s longest outing of his career. Congrats.
gotta tip your cap
“It’s because you and your pals have now taken over the forum with all of your nonstop Montero oozing and constant whining about Cashman.”
i showed up all winter when i was a solitary voice against the montero/pineda trade because i thought he was injury prone and would likely end up a reliever.
now you and others because circumstances have made your position less defensible are taking the cowards way out and not showing up.
i say show some guts and speak out for your beliefs the way i did.
HebrewHammer May 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
jacksquat May 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 pm
5 runners in scoring postion the entire series.
well you say this is a good offense all the time. maybe you’re waking up
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It is a good offense when everyone is healthy and in the lineup, and they are playing like they should for the most part. Right now they are scuffling.
“This place is Weird!!!!! It is just a game, grow up.”
Good advice for the posters who have shanghaid the forum because the Yankees had the audacity to trade Montero…
Randy
Was that last post neccessary? You could have added to the conversation by talking about Nova or the O’s or the offense. Instead you try and tweak Trish, lamely I might add.
Maybe you should practice what you preach to Nick—- when it comes to Trish.
KC Royals are more exciting to watch hit then this team. I miss George so much.. Girardi would be gone and cashman probably would be too. Point is you know he’d shake this team up. He was the only person with the balls to walk in to the clubhouse and call people out.
now we have who to do that ? what was that juding thing they did with Mo being the judge or something ?
A J Burnett is very grateful he doesn’t have to piich for this offense.
randy, i gotta admit something……i read this blog every day, but rarely post during work hours. I saw your posts about the trade and was hoping that you were dead wrong. I gotta give you kudos for sticking up for yourself and your position.
Hopefully, Pineda gets healthy again and still has the potential he had before the injury. Time will tell.
If the rangers got to play in yankee stadium 81 times a year… Do you realize how amazing their stats wouls be at the end of the year. Lgy and tar.. You guys are so bias is sad. We are not better than the 2 time defending AL champs. Sorry.
randy – I absolutely believe in my position. But this goes on from the morning through every game thread. I don’t think my position is any less defensible since Pineda is hurt because I thought that trading Montero was the right thing to do, regardless of his offensive prowess. And I don’t think we’ve seen the end of Pineda. My position hasn’t changed.
At the very least can we DFA Jones and call up ANYBODY else ????????/
AJ burnett gave up 12 runs in 2.2 innings tonite. Thought that may get you guys a bit of a chuckle.
At least we don’t have to watch that…right?
Trisha, because you know absolutely NOTHING about baseball.
just go away will ya ? LOL @ you’re so funny that you pretend to know baseball.
Nunie
They should keep Nunez in the outfield
At the very least can we DFA Jones and call up ANYBODY else ????????/
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Like who? DeWayne Wise? Jack Cust? I can’t think of anyone else who is close to ready yet.
Cashman should announce a leave of absence after tonight.
A permanent one.
rr212 May 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
AJ burnett gave up 12 runs in 2.2 innings tonite. Thought that may get you guys a bit of a chuckle.
At least we don’t have to watch that…right?
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he is sick.
Saying you think a young pitcher might get an arm injury is like predicting a traffic light will be green or red.
pretty pathetic game and series for the Yanks….they’ve scored what 3 runs all series? Not like they are facing Felix Hernandez 3 times here……and no clue what Girardi was doing leaving Nova out there….he battled all night and was clearly tired…..frustrating to say the least
lol @ Nick Glass Johnson is about to take Freddie deep watch !
That was the best splitter I’ve seen from Freddy this year
This team is the worst I’ve felt about a Yankees team since 2004.
This team doesn’t miss Montero. It misses Cano, Tex, and A-Rod. It you’re in love with Montero so much go root for the Mariners (who aren’t going to make the playoffs).
he is sick.
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physicall or mentally? Wait, I already know its the latter.
“i showed up all winter when i was a solitary voice against the montero/pineda trade because i thought he was injury prone and would likely end up a reliever.”
The Winston Churchill of LoHud!
Tabbert May 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 pm
If the rangers got to play in yankee stadium 81 times a year… Do you realize how amazing their stats wouls be at the end of the year. Lgy and tar.. You guys are so bias is sad. We are not better than the 2 time defending AL champs. Sorry.
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SMH
Multi-year park factors courtesy of baseball reference
Yankee Stadium: 109
Ballpark in Arlington: 110
Ranger coach complaining about a penalty call. Shocker
We might not seen the end of Pineda but he might not be the same pitcher as he was before. We are all hoping for the best but he has to rehab, keep his weight in order, learn a third pitch, eventually become a 1 or 2, and on top of all that pitch in NY. They are asking the kid to do a lot.
Oh great the other great antagonist. Should I lecture you too Nick?
I have seen it all: someone defending AJ Burnett after a 12ER performance. Wonder if you would give a shxt if he was “sick” if that game happened in NY
It’s just tough right now because I have zero confidence in the Yankees leadership. From Hal Steinbrenner to Brian Cashman to Joe Girardi. I have lost faith in these guys.
I will never stop supporting the Yankees. It just feels like Girardi & Cash have 100% job security and it bothers me.
Nick JOhnson is batting .088 and Freddie is struggling with him .. Classic yankee greatness.
What’s the point of being positive with this org ?
1) Can’t develop pitching
2) They’ve traded away their last 3 good young hitters (melk -austin- jesus)
3) the manager overmanages past the point of sensibility.
I could name more but I think finishing my beer is more productive than writting on this blog.
waka flocka May 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
This team doesn’t miss Montero. It misses Cano, Tex, and A-Rod. It you’re in love with Montero so much go root for the Mariners (who aren’t going to make the playoffs).
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Word.
Hey the Yanks are on a budget, they are officially the underdog.
“Was that last post neccessary? You could have added to the conversation by talking about Nova or the O’s or the offense. Instead you try and tweak Trish, lamely I might add.”
tar-
do you have any idea of the stuff that was sent my way from trisha and others simply because i took the lone position that pineda was a bad idea because of potential injury because of his delivery.
i could post some pretty ugly stuff if you’d like. i have a better idea. why don’t people who blasted me show up when it turns out they were wrong and lets keep the debate about the yankees keep going.
trisha is an attorney. she can handle herself. as can the others who felt comfortable to take shots when they were in the drivers seat. i reassert that people should show up whether their predictions work out or not.
had trisha simply showed up tonightwithout slamming those of us who are opposing the montero/pineda trade, i wouldn’t have reacted the way i did.
she came back with comments dripping with criticism. she opened the door. if she wants positive responses she can make positive comments or at least civil ones herself.
in short , my response was a verbal counter punch. let her not lead off with a verbal punch and she’ll get civility back.
I don’t know what everybody’s problem is here. Yankees are playing great baseball this offense is deadly, one of the best in baseball. you’re complaining now but you know will be in the playoffs this year. We have a great team and can win it all ! you are so negative.
Again let me remind you. Our leader Mr Cashman was having sex and paying for the breat implants of an insane woman who is not allowed to even see her own daughter. If that does not bother you, when he is in charge of a billion dollar business then the whole lot of your are idiots. Any employee of mine that had a position of such power would be fired in one minute. Are you aware his wife dumped him the day it came out. The team should have dumpled him as well.
Beltre hit 2, 3 run shots in that game to. 7 Rbi’s overall.
He should would be nice to have in the OF right about now.
Arrieta has been good….but I can’t really tell if he’s been that good or the Yankees just can’t hit right now
Tar, I always enjoy a good lecture, so go for it. But make it a different lecture than randy’s, I never said that I only come on here to talk baseball with 10 people and ignore everyone else.
Dusty old yankees getting shut out again.
Inflated #’s that boost up the old “top 3″ LOL ROFL •offense• In baseball.
Give me a break with these clowns.
blake ~
I thought you might appreciate a “non-Montero” Mariner update…
One of your fellow Tar Heels ~ Kyle Seager ~ is now batting .300 on the season
He’s had a 3/4 night so far in Tampa Bay with TWO homers … off James Shields
this team looks old and is done
200 million down the drain
LOL
fire cashman
“The Winston Churchill of LoHud!”
don’t make me post my original thoughts on pineda
but i will if you want me to nick
Really surprised that Buck didn’t go for the CGSO with Arrieta to stick it to the Yankees.
The sad thing about HebrewHammer’s sarcastic post is that it is true and he’s too stupid to realize that. When the Yankees are in first or second place at the All Star Break you should be tied to a septic tank and shot to the moon.
And anyway, this game sucks. A little randy self-mythologizing should liven things up. So you go for it too, randy, it sure won’t make tonight any worse.
Compass,
yea I saw….good for him….I like when anybody hits homers off James Shields….tarheels are even better.
pitiful
Randy
I do understand the grief you took for your position ( in fact I may have been one of the few voices to stick up for you). But right now please take the high road.
I love your baseball posts ( even when I disagree), and right now this blog needs more baseball posts and less BS. And bottom line all that other stuff is just BS.
PS: I am not siding with any of the Axis of ( ??? Jeers I need some help to coin a phrase)- just enough with the pettiness, life is too short and Yankee baseball is too good.
UPDATE, 9:48 p.m.: The Yankees go down 1-2-3 in the eighth. Arrieta has gotten through eight innings on 108 pitches. A great performance, but the Yankees have looked flat-out bad at the plate
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nevah!!!!
The Yankees are three games out of first on May 2nd. Fire everyone! Trade Cano! Release Tex!
This team doesn’t miss Montero.
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Yea why would an aging line-up miss a young hitter.
Trade Cano! Release Tex!
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hahahaha, but really, can they release Tex?
Against All Odds,
No one would be crying about Montero if the middle of the order wasn’t slumping. Stop lying to yourself that Montero’s performance last year mattered. He was a September call up and the Yankees had the playoffs pretty much in the bag his entire time in the Bronx.
“I do understand the grief you took for your position ( in fact I may have been one of the few voices to stick up for you). But right now please take the high road.”
tar-
you’re right. the high road is the better way to go.
… and i do appreciate this post you made back then :
“Tar March 11th, 2012 at 12:19 am
My 2 cents
Sniping at Randy is becoming very boring. The amount of attacks/rebuttals/whatever is getting stupid. I know he can and does dish it out as well as anybody. I also know he’s a lighting rod but there is like 25 different people taking shots at him”
so what’s the high road?
i’d say that the people who disagree about montero/pineda should continue debating the issue.
it’s an ongoing issue because the people in yankee management who made the montero/pineda decisions are still deciding things and making decisions.
if they were this wrong on montero and pineda what else are they wrong about ?
this is the debate.
24 games in and they look like an avg team…bad starting pitching and an overrated lineup and this is what you get…bad contracts, poorly constructed bench…200 million does not get you what it used to
waka flocka May 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Against All Odds,
No one would be crying about Montero if the middle of the order wasn’t slumping. Stop lying to yourself that Montero’s performance last year mattered. He was a September call up and the Yankees had the playoffs pretty much in the bag his entire time in the Bronx.
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So A-rod being on the decline and Tex being terrible from the left side isn’t a concern. I’m not saying Montero would have been an MVP candidate or even ROY but he would have helped.
“A little randy self-mythologizing should liven things up. So you go for it too, randy, it sure won’t make tonight any worse.”
ok nick, here it is:
“at this point he’s a thrower with command. he’d probably be a very good closer. because of his falling off to the left in a very unbalanced way, i don’t expect a long career without injury for pineda. he uses a lot of arm to throw and if an injury occurs twhere he lost velocity he’d have trouble just like joba has.”
randy l. February 21st, 2012 at 7:39 am
mtu-
last night watched the sept 3rd game that pineda pitched last september against the a’s.
i highly recommend anyone being interested in pineda watching him for a whole start and to use their own eyes in judging him as a pitcher.
he wasn’t hit hard, but 97mph isn’t something i saw last night at all. more like 94-95. maybe a slow gun. pineda is very limited in what he does. he throws the ball hard with pretty good command. his slider is tough to hit, but a lot of the strikes are swinging strikes that are out of the zone.
pineda may have trouble with high pitch counts once hitters stop swinging at these out of zone pitches . this was one of joba’s problems. speaking of joba, i don’t really see pineda as a better pitcher than joba when joba was a starter and on his game.
pineda doesn’t have a lot of sophistication pitching. he throws hard. then he throws a wrinkle up there. one wrinkle. a slider. he did throw a few change ups . nothing special on movement. just simply a slower pitch for hitters looking for the hard to hit fastball.
at this point he’s a thrower with command. he’d probably be a very good closer. because of his falling off to the left in a very unbalanced way, i don’t expect a long career without injury for pineda. he uses a lot of arm to throw and if an injury occurs twhere he lost velocity he’d have trouble just like joba has.
he doesn’t look like a complete pitcher to me who is going to develop a lot of pitches. at times he remind me of jose contreras, but not totally. he throws a heavy fastball like contreras did. he’s a big guy who i don’t see developing touch.
if used right could obviously be very valuable to a team, but right now his biggest asset is his velocity and command of that velocity. i don’t see the creativity that a sabathia pitches with. i’d bring pineda along very slowly. just like with joba, pushing him too soon will just muck up the process.
like joba, pineda will have some success starting, but how long this continues is the question. i see him being thrown into the fire too soon by seattle and the yankees and don’t expect him to develop into a fully developed starter. i expect because of rushing him he’ll eventually end up in the bullpen where he may be very good as joba is.
randy l,
Because people refuse to acknowledge ANY good moves by the brass they insult. Sabathia, Granderson, Swisher, Cano, Robertson, Wade, and Gardner are all products of Cashman. Has he made mistakes? Yeah but show me a GM who hasn’t.
This team is one of the best in baseball year in and year out. Our fan base is so spoiled and they don’t even realize it.
As for the Pineda/Montero deal: no amount of complaining is going to make the trade go away. Get over it.
Tonight this team looked very old. Tex has just lost it over the last two years and is all or nothing. Big Hank Steibrenner really screwed this team over for the next 5 years with the Arod contract. Very disappointing.
AAO,
I am not saying he wouldn’t have helped. I am saying that once those three players get rolling (and their track records suggest they will) then people will realize that this offense is more than adequate.
Waka flocka
The problem with your argument is that the Yankees do have a $200 million dollar payroll so there shouldn’t be mistakes. Cashman for all he has done well is flawed when it comes to evaluating and producing home grown pitchers which is how he game is played now. Hughes, Chamberlain, Brackman, Betances not a great record. Also Cashman is too devoted to veteran players. This team needs to get younger. Why didn’t we give Jorge Vasquez a shot a dh?
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waka flocka May 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
AAO,
I am not saying he wouldn’t have helped. I am saying that once those three players get rolling (and their track records suggest they will) then people will realize that this offense is more than adequate.
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Understood but this is the Yankees when has the offense being more than adequate acceptable.
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