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Rodriguez: “We’ve just got to get better”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alex Rodriguez had two hits last night, and it was the bunt single that seemed to grab everyone’s attention, but it was his next at-bat that really defined the game and the state of the Yankees lineup. With the bases loaded in the seventh, Rodriguez got a pitch to hit and popped it up.

“I had a situation to get us back in the game, we needed a big hit, and I couldn’t come through,” he said. “Beautiful pitch to hit. That’s exactly the pitch you want, right down the middle. Hanging slider. I should have done a lot better than popping up to the catcher. That’s the perfect pitch to hit and hit hard somewhere.”

No team can give up seven runs and expect to win, but a team like the Yankees can expect to put up more of a fight than it did last night. Derek Jeter and Brett Gardner (when he was healthy) have been getting on base, and Curtis Granderson and Nick Swisher (when he was healthy) have been run producers, but the heart of the Yankees order has been a disappointment.

Rodriguez has four home runs, but he’s hitting just .256 with a .419 slugging percentage. Robinson Cano has been even worse at .255 and .372, and Mark Teixeira is hitting .233 with a .378 slugging. Cano has just four RBIs, one more than Chris Stewart.

“It’s strange to see,” Joe Girardi said. “Whenever you see Robbie struggle, it’s strange, whether it’s a two-week period in the middle of the season or whatever.”

The Yankees could have Gardner and Swisher back within a week — Gardner within a few days, possibly — but what this lineup really needs is better production from its middle-of-the-order sluggers. That would go a long way toward solving some of the offensive consistency issues that have been a problem so far.

“We’ve just got to get better,” Rodriguez said. “There’s no question in my mind that all three of us are going to get better. There’s no question. Robbie’s going to end up, when it’s all said and done, north of .300, 25-30 (home runs), and 100 RBI. He’s just too good, and I think Tex and I will also be very productive.”

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92 Responses to “Rodriguez: “We’ve just got to get better””

  1. MTU May 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    It’ll come.

    Fix the SP.

    ;)

  2. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    “So it’s sounds like you agree that Hughes needs to go to AAA to learn a split or sinking FB ?”

    mtu-

    hughes is just one pitcher.

    how about the yankees realizing that they are going about this all wrong, and changing the way they do it?

  3. PRDENTIST May 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 am

    I hope that they think of mixing up the line up a bit to see if that sparks some offense from the three amigos.

  4. MTU May 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Randy-

    Even better. I’m all for it.

    :)

  5. blake May 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Cano will hit…..I have no doubt about that…..Alex I think will hit if he stays healthy…..Tex Im less and less sure about…..with him its just starting to look like decline of skills and he doesn’t have a swing that’ll accept that very well……hope Im wrong.

  6. Doc Iac May 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    hughes actually pitched ok last night,

    but i still have little faith in him,

  7. muwarriorsfan May 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    “It’ll come.”

    Sure it will, lol.

    Keep telling yourself that. Just because Tex and Arod are Yankees, age won’t affect them and they will magically turn it around! Do you watch the games? ARod’s bat is now molasses slow. Tex has structual problems with his swing which he refuses to fix and his failing approach at the plate never changes.

    They are what they are. Occasional HR’s and short hot-streaks will come, but will be followed by much longer dry periods. Neither will even hit .275 when all is said and done.

  8. Doc Iac May 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am

    muwarriorsfan May 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    “It’ll come.”

    Sure it will, lol.

    Keep telling yourself that. Just because Tex and Arod are Yankees, age won’t affect them and they will magically turn it around! Do you watch the games? ARod’s bat is now molasses slow. Tex has structual problems with his swing which he refuses to fix and his failing approach at the plate never changes.

    They are what they are. Occasional HR’s and short hot-streaks will come, but will be followed by much longer dry periods. Neither will even hit .275 when all is said and done.

    —–

    im sure u were one of the ones cryin about jeter too

  9. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am

    If Jeter keeps hitting like this, and the “big three” don’t , he should bat in the middle of the order.

    Tex should bat 6th when Swisher gets back if he continues to look this bad.

  10. Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am

    If Jeter keeps hitting like this, and the “big three” don’t , he should bat in the middle of the order.

    ————————–

    Really not a bad idea..I always preferred him in the 2 spot though. Maybe when Gardner comes back you try:

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Granderson

  11. MTU May 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Randy-

    But we both know that the “win now” mentality is incompatible with development because of the time and patience required.

    And we also know the Yankees are not very good at it.

    :(

  12. cigator May 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Arod should just retire and put himself and the fans out of their misery. I can’t recall a so called Yankee star player that is less clutch than Arod. I don’t care if he hits .275 if many of those hits are productive. Problem is he will hit .275 while leaving a league leading number of runners in scoring position. He may hit 25-30 HR’s, most in late innings off scrub pitchers when the game result is not in question. He looks old, slow and worn out 1 month into the season. Coming out of spring Girardi said he was in great shape and was looking for a big year, guess not. The Yanks will have to work around Arod’s contract for years to come.

  13. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    mtu-

    the yankees have put a spotlight on them with the pineda/montero trade.

    we get to watch two different organizations develop players.

    montero is given an opportunity to catch and he goes 4 for 4 and catches a game where the opposition only gets three hits.

    montero out hit the rays.

    think about that.

    if he’s so bad at receiving the ball, how did his pitchers manage to give up only three hits?

    the yankees gave up on montero catching.

    seattle is encouraging him to catch. they are mentoring him.

    all the difference in the world.

    the yankees management is really off right now. it’s covered up by them spending so much that they still win, but they are a mess.

    some personnel changes need to be made to really change the way the yankees do things. the present people have been doing things one way for too long.

    montero ( and maybe noesi) is going to expose the yankees management as incompetent at developing young players.

    if montero really takes off during this month he’s going to catch a lot, and yankee offense in the middle of the order continues to struggle thngs are going to get uncomfortable for cashman.

    he made a trade that has the potential to put a big spotlight and a bullseye right back on him depending how things go.

  14. blake May 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Shame,

    They should try that…..though you hate to mess with Jeter the way he’s hitting. They need to get Gardener and Swisher back and they need Cano and Alex to get going….Tex will hit a homer every now and then but at this point Im not expecting much else from him….hopefully he’ll pleasantly surprise me……also they need Martin to actually be a better player than Stewart…..right now they are basically the same player.

  15. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 am

    MTU

    If the payroll is really going to start shrinking, their win-now mentality could lead to not winning. (I realize you know this.)

    I have a meeting. Later.

  16. MTU May 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Randy-

    Yes. But he is tight with Hal and unless the team sinks like the Titanic he’s goin’ nowhere.

    I’m all for some change by the way.

  17. blake May 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    “montero is given an opportunity to catch and he goes 4 for 4 and catches a game where the opposition only gets three hits.”

    Who is Montero? (Ignorance is bliss)….

  18. MTU May 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Gotta run soon.

    Or is that hike.

    I hope to make it back in time to see some Noavtude this evening.

    :)

  19. MTU May 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    edit: Novatude. sorry.

  20. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    At this point I don’t think it’s too harsh to say that Eduardo Nunez makes Alfonso Soriano look good defensively.

  21. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    just watched fox news discuss pettitte testifying in the clemens case.

    it’s pretty funny watching professional news people talking about something they obviously know so little about.

    yet they act like they do.

    for someone who didn’t now much about pettitte or the yankees it would sound like they knew what they were talking about.

    since most people don’t follow pettitte and the yankees the way we do, fox newspeople come off like they know what they’re doing and what they are saying is really truthful news.

    in reality it’s just fluff which works for most people from their point of view.

    it makes me wonder how much of what else they( or another news network) do is really just winging it with fluff like banter.

    since i don’t know as much about other things as baseball,how much “news” do they do that sounds good to me?

    the simple solution is to get your news from a myriad of sources.

  22. pkyankfan69 May 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    I have a feeling the Yanks really break out tonight against a pretty good pitcher in Arrieta.

    Tonight’s going to be the start of a nice run through KC and into TB next week.
    Hopefully Gardner and Swisher are both back int he lineup for the TB series.

  23. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    “Yes. But he is tight with Hal and unless the team sinks like the Titanic he’s goin’ nowhere.

    I’m all for some change by the way.”

    mtu-

    what hal needs is a month with you hiking some really tough trails, eating burritos while drinking some good coffee while he reads the blog.

    at some point, you need to sit him down and buzz his head. juts get rid of the old and start fresh.

    when he went back to new york, he’d be a changed man :)

  24. cigator May 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    We have 3 starters that deserve to be in the rotation, CC, Nova, Kuroda. The other 2-3 spots should be be a training ground for prospects. The Yankee organization always says the younger players aren’t ready, but how many times have the Yanks been shut down by young opposing pitchers? I think we bore young prospects to death waiting to come up so maybe their performance in the minors starts to decline. If I were a young prospect I would want to be anywhere but with the Yanks.

  25. Tackelberry May 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Banuelos returns tonight. Looking forward to his start

  26. longtimefan May 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Hughes didn’t pitch all that bad, quick hook by Girardi and his micro managing didn’t work, Logan is average at best and thats all he will ever be, of more concern is complete lack of offense since juggling the line up, Cano seemed comfortable at 5, Tex at 3 and Arod, although not the ideal 4 hitter seemed comfortable as well, since that change noticeable decline from all three hitters–using Martin as a DH while struggling didn’t make any sense at all even with a lefty pitching

  27. Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am

    blake – I guess my issue with Martin is that this is the player I always thought we were getting. That April he had last year was great but it didn’t really fool me. I just saw him having Molina-like production, and I think that’s what we should expect for the duration. (I won’t mention why this makes the other moves at the C position that much more questionable because I’m afraid my head might explode). When you get a hit from him, it should be a pleasant surprise but it can’t be something you count on.

    I think we need to start slotting Tex in the 6 spot and getting Martin in the 9 hole where he belongs. Enough of Gardner batting behind him when he gets back.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 am

    igotid88 May 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 am
    Betsy May 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
    Phil is just not a good starter, period. Yet another start where he couldn’t get out of the 5th inning – and clearly Girardi has no confidence in him anymore. I can’t say I blame him. Don’t care about the 6 strikeouts either. This was an “ok” start for him, but at this point in his career, he has to be doing better. It’s not a big deal, though, because his time is up as soon as Andy returns.
    —————————————————

    He dd get out of the 5th. And he was 1 out from getting out of the 6th. But Girardi had to play matchup. If the Yankees were winning 5-3 the perception of this game is very different.
    ///

    Fortunately, there are fans like you, Igotid88, who can see beyond results and their own subjective lens.

    Hughes has not met expectations that were set long ago, but he has no present obligation to fulfill what’s anticipated for him now: which is to shrivel up and die, just because of people’s attention spans can’t accommodate or notice incremental progress.

    I feel good about that start and think it can be a springboard for better things for Hughes. His fastball is alive and well and the needle moved on his curveball last night. The Orioles are actually a decent hitting team. It’s not like they faced the A’s, so let’s throw that out the window. Hughes has a long way to go but he got going last night. Those who can’t at least see the progress are all about confirmation bias and just wanting him to disappear.

    I hope he gets another start, but would really like them to be proactive in helping him expand his arsenal. I am adamantly against another incarnation in the BP. Send him to Tampa, if they’re inclined to repeat Hughes’ 2009 role.

  29. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 am

    “Who is Montero? (Ignorance is bliss)….”

    blake-

    the yankees could really put montero fiasco in the rear view mirror just by playing really well and having a dominating team, but that’s not happening right now.

    cashman really needs the yankees to play well.

    there’s more pressure than usual in yankeeland right now.

    i think we’ll be seeing some odd things if this pressure increases.

    you know, things like ibanez and nunez in the same outfield :)

  30. NYYanksFan May 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am

    The middle of the order went 2 for 12 last night and the guy with the 2 hits is answering for their failures. It’s good to be A-Rod’s teammate.

  31. 86w183 May 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Alex had a bunt single and a flair that barely got out of the infield. He didn’t hit the ball solidly all night and had the worst at bat of the night when he popped up with the bases loaded.

    In fact other than Granderson’s bomb and two of Jeter’s hits no one hit the ball solidly, even for an out.

    Hughes was acceptable. Really just one terrible pitch for the second HR. Thought he should have been allowed to finish the 6th.

    Carrying 13 pitchers continues to be the most baffling, brain dead management of a roster I’ve ever seen…. at least since the last time they went with 13 pitchers.

  32. Against All Odds May 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Send him to Tampa,

    —————————–

    No way are they going to send him to Tampa

  33. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    j.a.pru-

    doesn’t it feel kind of odd posting our respective points of view without having the opposition suggesting therapy and/or medication?

    hopefully some things will go right for the yankees and some of those laying low will return.

    either that, or you and i are going to have to start disagreeing about something to liven things up :)

  34. NYYanksFan May 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 am

    “there’s more pressure than usual in yankeeland right now.”

    Where are you seeing this pressure?

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I think we bore young prospects to death waiting to come up so maybe their performance in the minors starts to decline. If I were a young prospect I would want to be anywhere but with the Yanks.
    ///

    cigator,

    As a fan who has traced Montero’s steps through the system for six years, a part of me is happy for him that he escaped Girardi and Cashman. He’s on a team that gets the big picture with this kid.

    He’s about to go nuts at the plate, and the Olivo injury has given him a chance to actually learn on the job behind the plate.

    Had he been retained, he would have barely seen the light of day behind the plate, and the odd start he would get back there, as soon as there was a passed ball, they’d consider it a wrap on his catching career.

    They’re not teachers and mentors. They are fanatically about the status quo. Good luck with that under the current system.

  36. ac1 May 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Last year we all wanted Cano and Tex to switch in the lineup, but right now it may be worth it to go back to last years 3-4-5 and see if that sparks those three. If not, i agree Gardner-Jeter-Granderson should be 1-2-3, though it seems that Gardner hits better in the 9 hole.

  37. Tackelberry May 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
    I think we bore young prospects to death waiting to come up so maybe their performance in the minors starts to decline. If I were a young prospect I would want to be anywhere but with the Yanks.
    ///

    cigator,

    As a fan who has traced Montero’s steps through the system for six years, a part of me is happy for him that he escaped Girardi and Cashman. He’s on a team that gets the big picture with this kid.

    He’s about to go nuts at the plate, and the Olivo injury has given him a chance to actually learn on the job behind the plate.

    Had he been retained, he would have barely seen the light of day behind the plate, and the odd start he would get back there, as soon as there was a passed ball, they’d consider it a wrap on his catching career.

    They’re not teachers and mentors. They are fanatically about the status quo. Good luck with that under the current system.
    ________________________________________

    Very true. Problem with this fan base and this media market is that there is no patience for a learning curve. If a prospect does hit the ground running, fans and media are calling for him to be traded or sent back down right away. NY demands instant sucess, like it nor not

  38. Tackelberry May 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am

    meant to say doesnt

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 am

    randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am
    j.a.pru-

    doesn’t it feel kind of odd posting our respective points of view without having the opposition suggesting therapy and/or medication?
    ///

    That’s because our “opponents” have checked themselves into therapy and are now on anti-depressants. I remember reading about Art Janov’s primal therapy years ago. One guy’s story was, he spent the day screaming on the floor, went through different eras of his childhood, and finally had a breakthrough.

    One of his first revelations was this: “You know what? I don’t give a damn whether or not the Minnesota Twins win the pennant this year!”

  40. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    A team is never as good as it looks when it is playing its best and never as bad as it looks when it is playing its worst.

    The Yankees are battling some significant injuries, they’re very thin right now on the bench as a result, and they have gotten spotty performances (to be kind) out of the rotation.

    It’s a long season and we’ve barely scratched the surface of it.

    The Red Sox are terrible and also dealing with injury issues
    The Rays are average and dealing with injury issues

    I expect Cano to hit, I expect Tex’s power to come and I expect the rotation will settle down. I think the only thing they should do that they’re not doing is shut Swisher down to make sure his legs aren’t a lingering problem all season rather than examining him on a day-by-day basis and leaving the bench as thin as it is.

  41. LathamJoe May 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    “Girardi on Nunez’s error: “He got a good jump on it.” Huh? Was he at the same game I was watching?? Nunez broke back on Johnson’s fly, stopped, then came in and butchered it…just like he has at shortstop, third and second base. He’s a defensive disaster and reminds me of the legendary smooth fielding Hector Lopez of the early 60s. Since Roberto Duran was nicknamed “Hands of stone”, Eduardo Nunez should be called “Gloves of stone”.
    I’m so sick of spin doctor Girardi and his excuses for his managing blunders. With 2/3 of your starting outfielders injured, you need to bring up a legitmate outfielder until either Gardner/Swisher return to full health. Gardner’s elbow is probably still a week away and Swisher’s hamstring will not heal overnight..despite the Yankee Brass continuing to paint a rosy picture of these injuries. Dewayne Wyse has been tearing up AAA pitching and deserves a shot – even if its temporary. With days off in April and May, 13 pitchers are unnecessary given the current dire state of the Yankee outfield. The use of Ibanez and Nunez defensively has already cost them significant runs and probably 2 or 3 ballgames.

  42. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    To JAP and Randy

    Oh I still think you’re both nuttier than fruitcakes, I’m just tired of getting sucked into the same argument over and over again.

    To clarify, the Montero trade looks bad at the moment because Pineda got hurt. That doesn’t mean Cashman did the wrong thing at the time making the trade.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 am

    NY demands instant sucess, like it nor not
    ///

    Don’t like it :D

    It’s also exceedingly boring. Even if Montero comes back in six years, for instance, he’ll have spent his growth years in another organization (not that I wouldn’t want him to come home).

    He should have been learning under Jeter and Alex. That’s what they should have done; hire Posada to mentor him as a personal coach, or just let Pena work with him and keep Girardi at bay; and let Jeter and Alex raise him in terms of the day-to-day and lineup concerns.

  44. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 am

    I also find it interesting that people think the Yankees lack patience with young players – they were patient with Hughes, Cano, Melky…they just didn’t believe Montero could catch and didn’t believe he would get enough reps as a RH DH so they traded him for something they needed – pitching.

    It’s got nothing to do with a dislike of young players or a strict win now mentality. If they were interested in just winning now they would have kept Montero and signed CJ Wilson. They thought dealing Montero for Pineda helped them now and also helped build them better for the future. A future where they will need an open DH spot for Alex Rodriguez and others.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Chip,

    I was just having light fun with Randy.

    I don’t give a good GD about Lohud’s mood or view on the trade. I’m too busy ruing the day I ever wanted Girardi as manager (ironically, I thought he was going to actually be a nurturer for high-end kids like Montero).

    “Winning” at Lohud is as boring as a Raul Ibanez AB. Sorry to disappoint you.

  46. Stoneburner May 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Interesting – interesting – the fake, kettle calling Yankees fan boys strut around all proud because a player on another team goes 4 for 4 and the Yankees lose a game in early May – and continue their crazy conspiracy theories of Joe G and Montero. Oh the poetics – the wax poetics of it all – and now the double standard – it is this: Montero has a bad game – it is just one game – Montero catches and has a good game – case closed – it is over – declare victory. But no – oh no fake, elitist fan boys – the same ones that were disgusting in their criticism of Romine last September – just disgusting – your favoritism of some prospects over others – it is terrible – a search of the blog shows that not one of these fake fan boys raised concern when Ivan Nova was selected by Kevin Towers in the Rule 5 draft – not one – these fake fan boys – they have their favorites and how they want to see them turn out – oh Joba’s a starter – and when things do not go their way – they pout – they make up conspiracy theories.

    Here is one conspiracy theory you cannot disprove – Joe Girardi has won a championship as a manager – you on the other hand have not – - – - -

    Oh the wax poetics these fan boys will have tonight with Banuelos going – but they will not give Marshall the time of day earlier this week with his best performance of the season – or even wax new poetics about Turley – why? B/c they have their favorites – rather than rooting for an entire farm system – they select – they choose – they play an elitist game – and when a prospect does not turn out the way they want him to – they blame management, Girardi, the media, the development – rather than their own self-assessment – that maybe – just maybe – not all prospects turn out. . . . .

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Cue the lunatic.

    Why not? It’s crazy times in Yankeeland.

    Wax on, dude.

  48. mick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Maybe Montero told mgmnt to go eff themselves last year when he wasn’t brought up from ST?

  49. Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    The Yanks were patient with Cano? Chip.. sorry.. no dice on that one. They didn’t even know what they had with him and only called him up when we were totally desperate.

  50. DONNYBROOK May 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Hughes was being diplomatic when he said that was the “best stuff” he has had all season. Translation- “These guys mucked up my best game of the season”. Sometimes, it’s not where your at, but where you are headed. Last night was a step forward for Hughes. A pitching coach can work with a Chucker who is getting bit with big\crucial homers in key situations. Hughes problem is between the ears. You guys can talk about needing a 3rd, 4th, or 5th pitch all you want. The problen is Hughes has no clue how to breakdown a lineup, or approach an offense hitter by hitter, inning by inning, and his caddy that day also is culpable.
    I understand the O’s are enjoying success for the 1st time inna long time at this level, and in general are young and full of piss-and-vinegar. But celebrating a victory in early May, on somebody else’s field in the fashion that was displayed last night, is the kinda “stuff” that Showalter himself would respond to somewhere down-the-line were he witnessing this display from the other dugout. That kinda behavior should be confined to the clubhouse when a team is on the road.

  51. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Chip,

    I was just having light fun with Randy.

    I don’t give a good GD about Lohud’s mood or view on the trade. I’m too busy ruing the day I ever wanted Girardi as manager (ironically, I thought he was going to actually be a nurturer for high-end kids like Montero).

    “Winning” at Lohud is as boring as a Raul Ibanez AB. Sorry to disappoint you.
    ————————

    Well that is something you and I have in common because I also don’t care about “winning” an argument on the blog.

    That said, my point is simply that dissent may have died down because people are just tired of having the same arguments day after day after day.

    There is a lot more that has gone wrong with this team than could have been fixed by the presence of Jesus Montero.

    As for the assertion that the Yankees (Girardi in particular) don’t nurture young players – I respectfully disagree. The Yankees didn’t move Montero because they don’t like young players, they moved Montero because they believed he was another DH on a team with far too many DH’s and he was the one that they could move and could get something of (at the time) great quality back for.

  52. bruceb May 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Talk is cheap. Unfortunately, A-Rod’s contract is not.

  53. mick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 am

    people people people, you can’t have it both ways. You are denying 100 years of success the Yankee way now you want to slowly develop prospects. I get it. We have both prospects and HOFers. The HOFers are aging . It’s a weird chemistry in Yankeeland. It’s actually a transition period.

  54. Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am

    “..they just didn’t believe Montero could catch and didn’t believe he would get enough reps as a RH DH so they traded him for something they needed – pitching.”

    I want to get off this carrousel lol…I really do… and I think if you’d acknowledge that the problem isn’t with the move as much as the logic behind it that’s being viewed as flawed, I think I could…

  55. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    The Yanks were patient with Cano? Chip.. sorry.. no dice on that one. They didn’t even know what they had with him and only called him up when we were totally desperate.
    ——————-

    You’re right – they didn’t know what they had with him, but they also didn’t seek to replace him when he struggled to put it all together. They kept running him out there – passing up on signing veterans like Orlando Hudson or dealing him away for someone more polished. They worked with him, worked on his attitude, got rid of those players they felt were a bad influence on him and have been rewarded for it.

  56. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am

    “The Yanks were patient with Cano? Chip.. sorry.. no dice on that one. They didn’t even know what they had with him and only called him up when we were totally desperate.”

    not to mention trying to trade him several times.

  57. mick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am

    They worked with him, worked on his attitude, got rid of those players they felt were a bad influence on him and have been rewarded for it.
    ================================
    Now they clamor for Melky…

  58. Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 am

    “We have both prospects and HOFers. The HOFers are aging . It’s a weird chemistry in Yankeeland. It’s actually a transition period.”

    I have long believed the perfect roster construction of any team should be comprised of: 1/3 rookies, 1/3 prime players, and 1/3 vets.

    It’s the formula for success and consistency without ever needing a full rebuild. Few teams have managed to do it for as long as the Yankees.. or Devils ;) (sorry, couldn’t help it, I’m still flying high from last night!)

  59. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am

    “..they just didn’t believe Montero could catch and didn’t believe he would get enough reps as a RH DH so they traded him for something they needed – pitching.”

    I want to get off this carrousel lol…I really do… and I think if you’d acknowledge that the problem isn’t with the move as much as the logic behind it that’s being viewed as flawed, I think I could…
    ————————

    That’s just it Shame, I don’t have a problem with the logic behind the move. The thought process was 100% sound on Cashman’s part. Pineda got hurt. That’s the problem with the move. Cashman didn’t trade for a broken player, he didn’t trade for a bad player, didn’t trade for an old, expensive player. He traded for a young pitcher that every evaluator and their mother said was on his way to being a super-stud…and then the pitcher got hurt.

  60. Niblick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    OPS for 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012:

    Tex: .963, .962, .948, .846, .835, .656

    Arod: 1.067, .965, .933, .847, .823, .779

    Consistent downward trends for both. Why would these trends suddenly reverse?

  61. mick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Believe me , if Pineda were in the rotation with CC Kuroda Nova and Andy and was 3-0 with even a 4.0 era there would be poets waxing all over themselves.
    Still could happen.
    That could be where the patience comes in.
    Montero alone would not have put us over the top.
    They have an entire farm system below that will be more important than one man.

  62. austinmac May 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am

    There is no one size fits all in player development. However, I do think the Yankees should stop babying their pitchers and let them throw more than five innings in the minors as seems to be their practice.

    I noticed the attendance was 37,000 last night. Folks who diminish entertainment value fail to see the economic consequences. Of course, it would be entertaining if Cano, Tex and AROD actually hit.

    While letting others continue to harp about Montero, I will repeatedly harp on the stupidity of saving dollars while losing the team’s place on the back pages and in the World Series. The teams of the last two years have not been good enough. This one isn’t either at this point. New blood brings excitement and perhaps new enthusiasm on the aging team. They will regret this policy. I already do.

  63. Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Chip – I give Larry Bowa full credit for Cano.

    But the kept ‘running him out there’ because we really didn’t have many options. And they did consider trading him. A lot, I think.

  64. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am

    ” The Yankees didn’t move Montero because they don’t like young players, they moved Montero because they believed he was another DH on a team with far too many DH’s”

    chip -

    but montero should not have been able to catch last night with the rays only getting three hits if he couldn’t catch at an acceptable mlb level.

    i don’t pay much attention to it but montero had a mid three catcher era for 2012.( of course catching king feliz doesn’t hurt)

    the real point is that heads need to roll for this bad decision.

    you don’t get to make really bad decisions that affect a franchise future and keep your job.

    because if you do, it tells the whole organization it’s ok to f^%k up.

    you want whoever said montero can’t catch to make another yankee decision?

    i don’t.

    fire his ass.

  65. Tackelberry May 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Just imagine the screaming and the pulling out of one’s hair our fan base would have experienced if we had to endure Austin Jackson and his mega strikeouts the last 2 years. Would have been worse than the crying about Nunez’s defense. Tigers have stuck with him and now this year he seems to be making more consistent contact

  66. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am

    austnmac-

    so you think the yankees should have signed darvish ?

    i never tuned in on him for some reason.

    i know jerkface was all over him, and it appears he was right.

  67. mick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 am

    fire his ass.
    ========
    like he fired neil allens?

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am

    mick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 am
    people people people, you can’t have it both ways. You are denying 100 years of success the Yankee way now you want to slowly develop prospects. I get it. We have both prospects and HOFers. The HOFers are aging . It’s a weird chemistry in Yankeeland. It’s actually a transition period.
    ///

    mick, I guess you missed the most dominant recent period in Yankee history: the late 90s. I seem to recall a rookie, up-the-middle player being given the starting job at SS.

    The Yankees had a perfect opportunity to give some prime-time to the best bat in the system since Derek (I discount Cano, only because they were the last people, it seems, to discover how good he was) at his up-the-middle position, when Martin went down last year.

    They chose to whiff.

    They finally got smart and moved Posada behind the plate, and Bernie Williams, the CF, during those dynasty years, was a system guy.

    There’s no substitute for talented, home-grown players that rise together. Only way to have sustained success.
    Up the middle: Williams-Jeter-Posada.

  69. DONNYBROOK May 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am

    What is difficult for me to understand regarding the Montero Huggers, is why their endless daily diatribe does NOT include calling for Cashman to be Ned Starked. The guy that ochestrated this debacle remains inna position to repeat this heinous act.

  70. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am

    “Tigers have stuck with him and now this year he seems to be making more consistent contact”

    “stuck” is the operative word.

    detroit can fail to win the wrld series and its ok.

    the yankees have a different mission statement.

    unless they change the mission statement , they need to have a plan how to work in rookies.

    one thing that helped cano is that he wasn’t looked upon to be a savior at the time because there was so many offensive star veterans on the team.

    the yankees if they had 4 really good starters could designate the 5th spot to breaking in a new kid each year and live with bad games.

    the problem now is that they don’t have four really good starters so there is a lot of pressure in that spot for a young pitcher.

  71. mick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am

    jap=i missed nothing. it’s a blend brother. i get it. the harping , we get the point, nothing new under the sun. you are not the only one upset.

  72. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am

    randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am

    “The Yanks were patient with Cano? Chip.. sorry.. no dice on that one. They didn’t even know what they had with him and only called him up when we were totally desperate.”

    not to mention trying to trade him several times.
    —————-

    As far as I’m aware he was only ever brought up (not by fans) in one trade and that was when the Yankees offered the Diamondbacks their choice of him or Dioneer Navarro in the Randy Johnson deal.

  73. Bronx Jeers May 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I noticed the attendance was 37,000 last night

    ———-
    Is that good or bad?

    To me it’s good considering a cold, damp Tuesday night against Baltimore.

  74. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “like he fired neil allens?”

    mick-

    how’d that work out for brian?

    i know the rays are happy with allen instructing all their young starters who go through him.

  75. mick May 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    just seems like you hold a major grudge…

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am

    randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
    “The Yanks were patient with Cano? Chip.. sorry.. no dice on that one. They didn’t even know what they had with him and only called him up when we were totally desperate.”

    not to mention trying to trade him several times.
    ///

    3X I believe. Fortunately, the third wasn’t the “charm” like it was with Montero. The ones we know about, any way.

  77. austinmac May 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Randy,

    Yes, I do think they shold have signed Darvish. He was not the typical smallish Asian pitcher. He is 6’5” and throws 93-96 with a good variety of off speed and breaking stuff. His salary of about $10M per year wouldn’t totally screw the 2014 budget. If the Yankees are really worried about posting fees when the Rangers, A’s and Reds can pay them tells us winning is not the priority profitability is. In my view, they will ultimately get neither while going in the direction of no spending and risky trades.

  78. DONNYBROOK May 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am

    One thing that jumped out at me in the Kuroda game Mon. night, was that when Kuroda got 2 strikes onna hitter, the crowd did NOT come alive as they usually do for a pitcher on the verge of a K. These are NOT the Yankee fans of old in the majority of the seats at the New Yankee Stadium. I also agree with whoever posted This Yankee team has NO pizaz at present. Swish tries, but 1 outta 25 don’t cut it. This team is flat, and it starts with Girardi and those pre and post game pressers that put Everyone to sleep.

  79. blake May 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am

    ” If the Yankees are really worried about posting fees when the Rangers, A’s and Reds can pay them tells us winning is not the priority profitability is. In my view, they will ultimately get neither while going in the direction of no spending and risky trades.”

    +1. I think winning is still a priority …..its just maybe not the top one anymore

  80. Wave Your Hat May 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    The Yanks have a $210M payroll and a huge baseball organization, but are carrying 13 pitchers and playing an infielder in the outfield.

    Something is wrong there.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am

    ne thing that helped cano is that he wasn’t looked upon to be a savior at the time because there was so many offensive star veterans on the team.
    ///

    Randy, the one thing about the Montero kid is he seems to embrace the savior tag. Maybe he ruffled some feathers when he said the Stadium was “his” house, but I loved that. Look at his numbers in the place. He was really stoked about being a Yankee, being the “next” Posada. He said he wanted to be “just like Posada.” No wonder that didn’t sit well.

  82. Shame Spencer May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “The thought process was 100% sound on Cashman’s part.”

    We just disagree. He took on the higher risk. Why take on any risk when you don’t have to?

  83. Yank 97 May 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “The Yanks were patient with Cano? Chip.. sorry.. no dice on that one. They didn’t even know what they had with him and only called him up when we were totally desperate.”

    Those are pretty much the only type of players they develop – guys they call up and have no expectations for, but they need a body. Same reason Gardner, Aceves, Melky, Robertson, and Nova got their chances – all 2nd/3rd tier guys who were all brought up as “fill-ins” so they didn’t need to bring up their better prospects. Those guys can fly under the radar and the Yankees don’t really tinker with their development – they get adequate minor league time too. Basically, the Yankees took their hands off these guys so they succeed.

    The guys the Yankees have/had plans for…. those are the guys who the Yankees run into the ground because they are a trainwreck at developing guys intentionally.

  84. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Wave Your Hat May 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    The Yanks have a $210M payroll and a huge baseball organization, but are carrying 13 pitchers and playing an infielder in the outfield.

    Something is wrong there.
    ————————-

    Agree completely.

    I don’t understand the problem. You DFA Ramiro Pena or Cody Eppley, put DeWayne Wise on the 40, put Nick Swisher on the DL and call up Wise. He’s not going to hit the .368 with power that he’s hitting for AAA, but he’s a real outfielder capable of playing there.

    I get what they’re trying to do with Nunez – they want him to be a super utility guy like Ben Zobrist was for the Rays a couple of years ago – but he’s not good enough defensively at any of the positions he’s been playing to handle that role. And his bat has not justified the lack of defensive ability.

  85. TheStraw May 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am

    I think the Yankees were wary of the posting fee after having been burned on Igawa. I don’t recall if there was a posting fee or not on Irabu, but they got burned on that deal too. Lets just say they were wary of Japan League pitchers without a proven major league track record (which Kuroda has). So I don’t think it was just about the money. Scouts or no scouts, it is hard to guarantee how stardom in Japan will translate at the MLB level. When you lump that fear in with a $120 million investement, the decision becomes fairly obvious.

  86. Chip May 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 am

    and if you don’t like Wise, fine – I don’t care who it is – Garner, Pearce, Curtis – any one of the four of them.

  87. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “Maybe he ruffled some feathers when he said the Stadium was “his” house, but I loved that”

    japru-

    yes , montero does have an inner confidence about him that’s fun to watch.

    he seems to rise to the occasion.

    last night he was facing a tough pitcher in matt moore with all eyes on him with being the seattle catcher for a month or so and what does he do but go four for four.

    seriously , the kids something special.

  88. TheStraw May 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 am

    New post –>

  89. austinmac May 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    For all the Yankees have a fabulous farm system advocates, I must disagree. They do not have one top flight positional prospect above low A ball. Their AAA team is about as old as the major league team. The FSL team is awful, and no one except possibly Murphy is AA will ever see the field as a positional player.

    Despite these obvious issues, the team has reduced it’s international spending even before the limits. They did not go over slot in the draft last year when other teams did.

    It speaks to the fans that the team is not all about winning. Sure, they would like to win, but only at certain costs. That is their prerogative of the owners, but it will be the prerogative of the fans to reduce their spending if the team goes downhill.

    How will the team not go downhill without having anyone to replace the aging and soon to be departing players?

  90. randy l. May 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “If the Yankees are really worried about posting fees when the Rangers, A’s and Reds can pay them tells us winning is not the priority profitability is.”

    austinmac-

    this is a side issue i hadn’t thought about. so you’re thinking hal is possibly profit driven rather than winning driven like his dad ?

    i guess the question is how much is on hal and how much is on cashman.

    in the darvish case it sounds like it may be more on hal.

    in the pineda/montero case i think it’s more on cashman.

    if hal is trying to do things with less salary to players it really seems like he should get someone who specializes in this.

    the crap is going to hit the fan if a granderson walks away because of the yankees not coming with the cash and the farm system is still floundering.

    what i’m seeing is a change coming up for the yankees because something has to give.

    things are not going to just proceed nicely the way things are set up now.

  91. Poetkiosk May 2nd, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    One of the oddest moments in sports history that I have witnessed was the whole Arod signing debacle during the WS. I really really can’t fathom why we signed Arod to that monstrous contract when he was clearly, even then, on the decline. Arod has never shown a tendency towards meaningful moments. He has thrown up some gaudy numbers in years now past, but he was never the type of player you would consider the “go-to” guy.

    Why did we sign Arod? I think if you answer this one question, you really begin to see the current dysfunction of management.

  92. RobertGKramer@AOL.Com May 2nd, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    I wonder if returning to Tex 3rd, A-Rod 4th, and Cano 5th would make any difference?

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