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Big day for Phelps

Posted by: vmercogliano - Posted in Misc on May 03, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here is a story that I wrote for today’s edition of The Journal News:

By Vincent Z. Mercogliano
vmercoglia@lohud.com

NEW YORK — As a St. Louis native, there was no American League team closer to Yankees rookie David Phelps’ hometown than the Kansas City Royals. With Freddy Garcia being bounced from the Yankees’ starting rotation due to ineffectiveness, Phelps will take the ball for his first major-league start in an ideal situation.

“I’ll try as much as I can to take it like it’s another game, but it’s a big deal for me (to start today),” Phelps said. “It’s going to be awesome. I’ll have a lot of family there. I’ll hopefully go out and do what I’ve been doing.”

The 25-year-old right-hander estimated that he’ll have at least 25 friends and relatives making the 3 1/2 hour drive to Kansas City to see him pitch in the first game of a four-game set against the Royals.

While Phelps seems thrilled to be pitching in front of his loved ones, manager Joe Girardi knows that the emotions that come with this type of moment can be overwhelming.

“I think you have to worry about that a little bit,” Girardi said. “But I think what has probably helped him is that he’s been thrust into a role that he’s never done before, and not in an easy situation, and he’s done OK. So he’s got that nervousness part (out of the way). Managing some of the other things can be difficult sometimes.”

After starting in the minors for the past four seasons, Phelps was asked to join the Yankees’ bullpen as their long reliever to start the season. He has a 3.57 ERA in 17 2/3 innings pitched with an impressive 1.08 WHIP, which earned him the opportunity to start.

“Being a long man, it’s kind of the same process as being a starter,” he said. “You want to go out there and give as many innings as you can and limit the damage as much as possible. You’re going to take that into a start, too. You want to go out there, throw as many as you can, save the bullpen and obviously give your team a chance to win.”

Phelps is among three starting pitchers who were effective for the Yankees’ Class AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre affiliate last season, but are considered to be second-level prospects. Along with D.J. Mitchell and Adam Warren, Phelps has had significant success in the minor leagues, but he’s never been viewed as a top-of-the-line prospect in the way that younger arms such as Manny Baneulos and Dellin Betances have been.

With Andy Pettitte on the fast track back to the majors, Phelps will have to be lights out if he has any chance of remaining in the rotation long-term.

“I learned early on, especially here, that if you start thinking about the future you’re just going to prove yourself wrong,” he said. “I’m just going to worry about tomorrow and go from there.”

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512 Responses to “Big day for Phelps”

  1. Giuseppe Franco May 3rd, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Giuseppe Franco May 3rd, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Translating tee work and BP to game action is not easy to do. People need to stop with the criticisms of Long.

    He’s one of the top hitting instructors in the game.

  2. Doc Iac May 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    anybody know about this cuban OF the yankees signed?

  3. superSwishion May 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I know Shallow Hal and Stank stupidly signed Soriano. But… this team is a Brian Cashman run team. This is Brian Cashman’s team. And this is Cashman’s organization. And its saddening. The only deal I can give him any credit for is Granderson.

  4. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Tex cannot continue with his swing from the left side and just try to walk and hit homers. “Every team is doing the same thing to him, breaking balls away, especially changeups. He tries to pull nearly everything so even other ptiches away he usually rolls over if not misses entirely. He needs to stop breaking down his back leg and get rid of that uppercut swing, like he is from the right side.”

    Of course if we could magic wand him that’s what he needs to do…..he needs a firmer back leg and he needs a shorter and flatter swing plane…..but its not as easy as just saying that…..that’s a big change and something that’s not all that easy to do at his age.

  5. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 9:26 am

    “anybody know about this cuban OF the yankees signed?”

    Not really…..from the reports he kinda sounds like an outfielder version of Jorge Vasquez…..exciting!

  6. Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Martin is a perfect example of “you can take a horse to water”. He is beyond the point of embarassment. Yesterday, he stroked a line drive to RF, to the wall, right at Markakis. Excellent at bat. The very next at bat, he rolled over an low outside pitch, a weak dribbler to the SS. This is totally brain dead. You keep hitting opposite field until pitchers change their pattern.

    Now bear in mind, that both these yollops have been very successful major leaguers. These aren’t some kids that are having a hard time adjusting to the Majors.

  7. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    I hope Phelps mows tonight and the Yanks can muster a few runs for him…..no hat tipping to Danny Duffy…..hit the ball.

  8. Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Teix is back to bobbing and weaving at the plate and he doesnt come set at any point in the pitcher’s delivery, it changes between at bats. So he’ll be mid bob and try to come set. Totally out of sync at times. In Boston I saw a few level swings that actually caught my attention. Then right back to the BS.

  9. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am

    So they have to make a roster move for tonight right?

  10. jacksquat May 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Tex doesn’t need to be magic wanded, he just needs to give in and want to change, then do it.

  11. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Montero up to .292 now…..would certainly be nice to have a contact bat in the lineup with power who could catch some…..yes the horse is beaten…..but……ugh.

    Martin and Stewart are basically the same player right now….

  12. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    “Tex doesn’t need to be magic wanded, he just needs to give in and want to change, then do it.”

    Major changes in season aren’t easy to do…..he’s always swung close to the way he does now from the left side…..its not his natural side…..its gotten worse the last couple of years but I don’t know if he can change at this point…..we called for AJ to be less rotational and more north/south for years…..wondered why he couldn’t repeat his delivery…..well after 20 years of doing something one way the muscle memory is tough to change……Im not saying its impossible for Tex to make some adjustments…..he can….but its a different situation than Granderson and there are much greater mechanical issues to overcome IMO

  13. LGY May 3rd, 2012 at 9:46 am

    No cheating.

    Who has the lowest OBP on the Yankees right now?

  14. Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I hope Phelps mows tonight and the Yanks can muster a few runs for him…..no hat tipping to Danny Duffy…..hit the ball.

    ———————————-
    Phelps is just a good, average Major League pitcher at this time with good secondary pitches. I would expect a six inning, three run outing. I doubt it’ll be enough.

    The pattern for the last two years has been – score first two innings and then wait for the tired starter and secondary relievers in the sixth/sevnth innings.

  15. HipHipHorHay May 3rd, 2012 at 9:48 am

    “The only deal I can give him any credit for is Granderson.”

    —————————————————————-

    Really? In Cashman’s whole tenure, with all the rings, the only positive thing he’s done is get Grandy?

  16. Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Who has the lowest OBP on the Yankees right now?

    ———
    I would say Teix, I don’t remember his last walk.

  17. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Cano?

  18. HipHipHorHay May 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Lowest OBP? I did cheat, but the answer didn’t surprise me. He’s like the only guy in the lineup that I have zero confidence in when he comes up in a big situation.

  19. Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Really? In Cashman’s whole tenure, with all the rings, the only positive thing he’s done is get Grandy?

    ————–
    Come on, you’re not really dealing with Mr Rational here. It’s the “Fire Cashman, Joe Binder” brigade.

  20. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    The largest wound on this team is $500,000,000.00 for Rodriguez and Teixeira.

    It’s a gash.

  21. Triple Short of a Cycle May 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    I love how it says Phelps will have to remain lights out to remain in the rotation and Phil Hughes continues to get the longest leash ever

  22. PacoDooley May 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 am
    Who has the lowest OBP on the Yankees right now?

    ———
    I would say Teix, I don’t remember his last walk.
    ————————

    Good guess since I assume that Martin’s walks put his OBP much higher than his BA. But I will guess Ibanez to make things interesting.

  23. LGY May 3rd, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 am
    Who has the lowest OBP on the Yankees right now?

    ———
    I would say Teix, I don’t remember his last walk.

    ——–

    Wow, surprised the first guess was right.

    Yep, Tex has a team low .270 OBP. Behind even Chris Stewart.

  24. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Wish Tex took the Red Sox money.

  25. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 am

    “Who has the lowest OBP on the Yankees right now?”

    Probably Tex or Cano.

  26. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Martin walked a lot early…..but his OBP his headed south…..

  27. Triple Short of a Cycle May 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Lets say Tex didn’t sign here and Swish played first that next year. Would Swish still be playing first today? Who would they have gotten instead?

  28. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Triple,

    They might have converted Montero to 1b.

  29. tomingeorgia May 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Triple,
    They would have tried to trade for Prince Fielder.

  30. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Joe Casale @sportsJC16 12h One thing to be a bad team. It’s another to be boring. Lots of empty seats at YS. Hal better look at that & fix this mess. #Yankees

    SJ is in panic mode a lot of the time but he’s right here…..there are two parts to making money…..one is expenditures (that Hal is ever aware of)….but the other is income and that’s the part where Hal is going to start noticing if things don’t change. The Yanks will play better….they’ll make the playoffs….but the fanbase seems stale…..and did last year also….the stadium isn’t loud……the fans seem bored…….everyone seems to think its the stadiums ‘s fault….that its not the old place…..maybe its the team isn’t all that exciting to watch?

  31. Triple Short of a Cycle May 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    maybe its the team isn’t all that exciting to watch?

    ——————————————————————-

    Or maybe its the fact that they make the playoffs pretty much every year so there is no drama left in the regular season. Its not new and exciting anymore

  32. Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    The thing is that this offense has put an inordinate amount of pressure on the pitching, who most of the innings are sitting with a one or two run lead or behind. High pressure pitching where you can’t give up a run. Nova was tiring but you could see him deflate with that HR. Ballgame over.

  33. May 2nd Exodus May 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Doc Iac says:

    May 3, 2012 at 9:20 am

    anybody know about this cuban OF the yankees signed?

    ___________________________________

    He’s montero lite.

  34. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am

    i feel like we go through this same thing every april, but it doesnt make it less frustrating….

  35. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am

    ” Who would they have gotten instead?”

    Matt Holliday.

  36. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Really? In Cashman’s whole tenure, with all the rings, the only positive thing he’s done is get Grandy?

    ___

    Scott Brosius?

  37. May 2nd Exodus May 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    After the Yankees lose 3 out of 4 I’m Kansas I’m sure that Hal will finally wake up and let C-A-S-H-C-L-O-W-N seek employment elsewhere.

  38. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    “They might have converted Montero to 1b.”

    Yup

  39. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am

    After the Yankees lose 3 out of 4 I’m Kansas I’m sure that Hal will finally wake up and let C-A-S-H-C-L-O-W-N seek employment elsewhere.

    ____

    The only one that will be in danger here is Long…..
    Need a coach that cares more about hitting .300 and less about homeruns.

  40. Doc Iac May 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am

    May 2nd Exodus May 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    After the Yankees lose 3 out of 4 I’m Kansas I’m sure that Hal will finally wake up and let C-A-S-H-C-L-O-W-N seek employment elsewhere.

    —-

    they will not lose 3 of 4 with sabathia and kuroda goin, i think pheleps will pitch decent, hughes…well, maybe they will hit that game

  41. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am

    “They might have converted Montero to 1b.”

    Please stop because I’m gonna cry….. Seeing his name makes me want to cry (I hear Nick in SF’s version of ‘Montero in the Wind’ every time I see it written).

  42. pat May 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Jayson Nix gets the call-up from AAA for tonight

  43. May 2nd Exodus May 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am

    The only positive thing Cashman has done in his tenure was getting George’s coffee as the humble self degrading sevant he was.

    All of his other moves were out of desperation.

    If I put a gun to any of your heads I’m 1000% sure you couldn’t make worse personnel moves than he has.

  44. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Jayson Nix gets the call-up from AAA for tonight

    _____

    HA. Wouldnt surprise me.

    Or Ramino Pena. (That would be the boost we need)

  45. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am

    They almost certainly would have made Montero a first baseman if Tex hadn’t been blocking him……or at least they should have.

  46. fiveironfromfenway May 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am

    For this year and the next couple would you rather be the Yankees or the Red Sox?
    The difference in style between the two has been narrowed tremendously the last couple of years.
    The Red Sox signed “older” stars to monster contracts – Crawford. Have some agin players – Youkilis. Are up against the salary cap. Have a few interesting pieces in the minors – Middlebrooks, Lavarnway (hit but no catch catcher), Iglesias (catch but no hit shortstop).
    The teams look and feel really, really similar right now.

  47. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am

    They almost certainly would have made Montero a first baseman if Tex hadn’t been blocking him……or at least they should have.

    ____

    1B could have also be a landing place for Jeter when his time at SS was over.
    He’d probably feel better about moving to 1st base than Left field.

  48. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am

    The heart of the order long term hinges on Teixeira and Arod. A half-billion dollar investment basically squandered. That cost froze the budget and annihilated Yankees competitive advantage of spending power.

  49. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 am

    “For this year and the next couple would you rather be the Yankees or the Red Sox?”

    Yanks easily…..

  50. backbench May 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Sense is that the Yankee fan base is fragile. They start playing breakeven baseball and there will be a huge drop off in attendance and YES viewing numbers.

  51. Bo knows May 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Tell me about Long and his teaching. I remember a Martin at bat where he swung really hard at three 95mph FBs. I remember back when, a coach telling me “Don’t swing harder, swing faster, let the ball do the work” I think I was about twelve at the time.

    Ya can’t fix stupid.

  52. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    If Cashman has any creativity at all he would find a way to trade one a bit of our monster contracts like he did with Burnett.

    Someone out there must want Tex.

    Cano? Well i think something is up with him because he has never looked THIS lost before.

    A-Rod, well i think we know that no one is taking that deal, unless you convince the Miami Marlins that he would bring in money for them.

  53. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    That half billion dollars sunk into Rodriguez and Teixeira was supposed to provide the Yankees with a lethal heart of the order and a competitive advantage over the rest of baseball. The two of them won’t provide anything close to that for the next 5 years.

  54. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Martin pulls his head out a lot at the plate……little league coaching 101…..I feel like someone should tell him to watch the ball after every pitch…..

  55. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Sense is that the Yankee fan base is fragile. They start playing breakeven baseball and there will be a huge drop off in attendance and YES viewing numbers.

    ____

    I believe if they are going to play 500 ball then they should be playing the prospects. Yankee fans will tune out if the team of stars shows no life, but i think there would still be an interest in watching OUR guys, guys we watched develop, come up and play and get better……

  56. Tackelberry May 3rd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    “He’s montero lite.”

    No, thats Gary Sanchez

  57. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 am

    “Someone out there must want Tex”

    Would you with that contract? Plus he has a full no trade……

  58. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Someone out there must want Tex.

    ———————

    They might but Tex doesn’t want anyone else. He seems to love being a Yankee

  59. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 am

    dont think Sanchez is Montero lite:
    I think he is Montero-LIKE….

    Regarding Cashman, I generally defend him however i think it may be fime for a full organization change.

    Get Andrew Friedman, offer him whatever he wants, and let him build the organization, minors, pitching coaches, etc…..

  60. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 am

    The silver lining in Martin tanking is he will have to accept a one year deal now and he won’t affect 2014. By then maybe Romine is healthy and geared to outhit Martin, not to mention Sanchez will be a lot closer to the majors.

    I suspect Martin is swinging his way out of a multiyear deal.

    That’s a good thing in a way.

    #soundinglikearoyalsfaniadmit

  61. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 am

    I think the Yankee fan base would put up with struggles if they felt like ownership was doing all they could……not sure that’s the case.

  62. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 am

    What about Tex for Zito?

  63. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Bret, do you even want Martin on this team next year, even at a 1 year deal?
    He is hitting worse than Chris Stewart.
    There has to be someone better we can get on a one year deal…..
    Hell at this point the combo of Jose Molina and Cervelli would work better than Martin is right now. How bout Bengie Molina? :)

  64. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:28 am

    We keep hearing, we should be able to win with 189 M.
    That ignores that more than half of that goes to 5 players…..
    And the only two that are producing anything right now are CC and Jeter….

  65. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 am

    They need to sign Miguel Montero and Hamels this winter……they wont though…..that directly helps two areas…..then let the rest of the club develop and try and do the rest from within….they have bats on the way and they have pitching on the way…..the issue is bridging the gap between now and when they are ready.

  66. Wang IS Taiwan May 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    One more “Tex should change his batting stance/swing” comment from me: He needs to get rid of his pyscho face when he bats. He is scaring the children.

  67. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I do think Martin would be a good gamble on a 1 year deal because he has the most incentive to reestablish his value.

    We’re talking about a player who thinks highly of himself. Since his days with the Dodgers, he has had a chip on his shoulder about salary. He just turned down the yanks 3 year 21 million offer because he thought he is worth more.

    If he thinks he’s so great, he will have to prove it. It could be his last chance to do it.

  68. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    If they sign Hamels they will lose either Cano or Granderson.
    Also, I think the Dodgers are going to be big players on Hamels….

  69. May 2nd Exodus May 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    To be honest the Knicks have a better shot at winning one of the next two games than the Yankees have at splitting this series.

    Such a shame.

  70. darbodla May 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    After 2012 – four more years of Tex at $22.5 million

    After 2012 – five more years of Alex at $22.8 million

  71. Niblick May 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Why do some think that Long is “one of the top hitting instructors in the game”?

    What evidence supports that? He was successful getting Granderson back on track, but Grandy is an extremely bright individual who is obviously a great student. Other than that, have any Yankee hitters improved since coming to the Yanks? I can’t think of any.

  72. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Id bring Martin back on a one year deal and hope Sanchez is knocking on the door by 2014…..but there’s no way id go multi year with him…..if its going to take more than a year or two to sign Martin then sign Montero

  73. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Get Andrew Friedman, offer him whatever he wants, and let him build the organization, minors, pitching coaches, etc…..

    —————————-

    Wouldn’t mind seeing that. Friedman will make mistake but you have to believe he would improve the young pitching.

  74. darbodla May 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Niblick May 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
    Why do some think that Long is “one of the top hitting instructors in the game”?

    What evidence supports that? He was successful getting Granderson back on track, but Grandy is an extremely bright individual who is obviously a great student. Other than that, have any Yankee hitters improved since coming to the Yanks? I can’t think of any.

    B I N G O !

  75. Triple Short of a Cycle May 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Other than that, have any Yankee hitters improved since coming to the Yanks? I can’t think of any.

    ——————————————————————-

    Swisher

  76. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am

    What evidence supports that? He was successful getting Granderson back on track, but Grandy is an extremely bright individual who is obviously a great student. Other than that, have any Yankee hitters improved since coming to the Yanks? I can’t think of any.

    ___

    Average wise no………

  77. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Forgetting Tex for a minute, i am way more stunned about Cano having 1 homerun and 4 rbis on May 3……

    Cano is supposed to have the swing that doesn’t allow this stuff to happen…

  78. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 am

    ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Forgetting Tex for a minute, i am way more stunned about Cano having 1 homerun and 4 rbis on May 3……

    Cano is supposed to have the swing that doesn’t allow this stuff to happen…

    ————————

    Maybe trying to hard or favoring an injury

  79. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am

    I would rather have Hamels plus a bright green Mason Williams in CF in 2014 than no #2 pitcher behind CC and Granderson in CF.

  80. mick May 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am

    I remember the 60′s. Talk about a dropoff. And no one saw it coming.
    I mean 1st to last. And what are we 1-2 games out of last?
    Talk about a big series. Against KC , no less.
    I have put things in perspective as I am a new Grandfather, how about the rest of you?
    This place seems like utter immature nonsense and that is exactly what it is.
    A place to waste precious time…

  81. Niblick May 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Swisher had a down year with the white sox in 2008, but otherwise his production for the Yankees in 2009-2011 is pretty equivalent to his production for the A’s in 2006 and 2007. I don’t see any material improvement there.

  82. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Congrats on being a grandfather Mick. Lucky grandchild.

  83. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 am

    I would rather have Hamels plus a bright green Mason Williams in CF in 2014 than no #2 pitcher behind CC and Granderson in CF.

    ____

    Even if they wanted Hamels, i dont see him coming here.
    I see him pulling a Cliff Lee and keeping the Yankees guessing until he chooses the Dodgers….
    And then the Yankees having no Plan B other than patience, whose ship sailed a year ago.

  84. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am

    I agree that Granderson is the only player to improve under Long and also that Granderson’s baseball IQ has more to do with his improvement. Certainly Granderson must be credited with some self-improvement here.

    Long is way overrated.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am

    I don’t trust them at all the “bridge the gap.”

    This is how it usually goes when management that makes a catastrophic move is allowed to hang around: they exert themselves trying to distract people from the move, or they attempt to erase the move by causing more harm.

    Within the group of people who knew the trade was an error, there were different factions. I disagreed, for instance, that losing Montero was a next season/season-after-that only affair only.

    I feared the loss would be felt this season. Sure, it would help to have Gardner and Swisher back; but my concern was never the regular-season “offense.” My concern then and evermore is the postseason. I don’t like generally the approach of these hitters and I don’t care for a lineup that has a zero bat at catcher. J

    When it finally dawns on the Yankees that they threw away a slam-dunk 3/4 fire-breathing mid-order combo of Cano/Montero to cause pitching headaches for opponents for the forseeable future, they’re going to start dancing backwards to try and “fix” this; probably with a move that will trade on the future to band-aid the present: they’ll give up a guy like Sanchez with no regret; they’ll throw in Dellin Betances (which would make people here shrug, I realize, until he goes somewhere and dominates lineups).

    They’ll likely hang onto Mason Williams, but others will go…and what we get back will be a very poor man’s answer to losing Montero. We’ll give up loads of potential for something that superficially “solves” lineup problems, but isn’t a long-term answer; as long-term answers will march out the door to placate the present.

    Unless they can find a bat that’s a well-kept secret and worth the price it takes. Somehow, I doubt it.

  86. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am

    And if the Yankees really are open to all options, then they should NOT be so stubborn about putting Joba back in the rotation in 2013 to see if he is worth holding onto when he can become a free agent.

    They do have young options behind CC (and Pettitte if he continues to come back). Joba, Pineda (if he is ever healthy), Phelps, Mitchell, Nova, MannyB (hopefully sooner than later)….

  87. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 10:50 am

    ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am

    And if the Yankees really are open to all options, then they should NOT be so stubborn about putting Joba back in the rotation in 2013 to see if he is worth holding onto when he can become a free agent.

    ———————–

    It makes all the sense in the world of course it would mean they would have to be smart enough to do it which they aren’t lol.

  88. pat May 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am

    “That ignores that more than half of that goes to 5 players…..”

    That’s the way it works, especially with high payroll teams. Take the 5 top salaries off every team and how many teamsn are spending more than the Yankees on the remaining 20 guys?

    Boston has a $175M payroll and $87M invested in A-Gon, Crawford, Beckett, Lackey and Ortiz.
    Angels have a $151M payroll and $89M invested in Wells, Pujols, Hunter, Weaver and Haren
    Phillies have $172M payroll and $96M invested in Lee, Halladay, Howard, Utley and Hamels

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am

    ac1,

    It seems an obvious move if Joba fully recovers. Unless they’re too hung up on being called out for not seeing the light in the first place.

    This is why new management is important, IMO. New management has no baggage attached to Cashman’s moves. There likely won’t be overtures to “justify” what’s gone wrong, here. Even if they bump up Oppenheimer, he’s not the guy who ultimately made these calls. If Pena succeeds Girardi, for example, he certainly isn’t going to get residual blame for Girardi’s questionable moves.

  90. JobaTipsHisCap May 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am

    glad I missed last night’s game.
    It must be pathetic and miserable.

    1-2 lost series to Birds. Well done.

    LOL

  91. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 10:57 am

    If Pena succeeds Girardi, for example, he certainly isn’t going to get residual blame for Girardi’s questionable moves.

    ___

    Seems the logical choice, but I would still pull for Lou Pinella.

    I think he has a fire in him that will not allow these superstars to just sit back while they stink up the joint…..

  92. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    “the fans seem bored…….everyone seems to think its the stadiums ‘s fault….that its not the old place…..maybe its the team isn’t all that exciting to watch?”

    blake-

    people don’t like to watch a sinking ship.

    there’s something weird going on with the yankees right now.

    look at this blog .

    all kinds of posters are posting. they say it’s because of the constant montero/pineda posts, but maine yankee, gb7, trisha, joe form long island ,pat m, crawdaddy, m, etc are all die hard yankee fans who simply can’t stomach a team falling apart and then listening to the debate about why.

    they’re not far weather fans, but they and others won’t show up when the team sucks.
    they’ll say otherwise probably, but i guarantee if this team was winning we’d be hearing from most of these people.

    it’s the losing that drives people away for various reasons. the point is they don’t post on the blog and they in the end don’t watch the yankees as much.

    this is a real problem for the yankees.

    at some point , this comes across hal’s desk.

    he can’t sit obliviously indefinitely while fans head for the exits.

  93. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    *all kinds of posters aren’t posting.

  94. JobaTipsHisCap May 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    the excuse for Tex and A-Rod is they are getting old (blame their moronic contracts)
    what about Cano? LOL

    To me, he wants to end his every AB as quickly as possible so he doesn’t have to wait in line for buffet.

  95. DONNYBROOK May 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Cashman simply does Not learn from his previous mistakes. For whatever reason he continues wasting Yankee $$$ on China Dolls. He did it with Nick Johnson, and Now Chavez TWICE. I’ll take a grind-it-out, ham-n-egger, in the mold of Mickey Morandin\ Phil Linz Anyday. Just gimme a bench guy that when called on will not wither under fire.

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 11:04 am

    ac1,

    What I like about Lou is he was a hitter who appreciates and understands hitting is important.

    I am just flabbergasted how Girardi’s moves, and even rhetoric lately, demonstrate how cavalier he is about the hitting part of the game.

    Still, I’d prefer Pena, especially as a sort of mentor to Gary Sanchez, when his time comes. Sanchez may well be the most important bat to emerge from the next wave of position players. The fact that he’s a catcher would restore the historic advantage we’ve enjoyed at the position that Cashman and Girardi so willingly relinquished. Pena also is spanish-speaking first; that might help Sanchez and he relate well, as it might have with Montero.

    I also don’t think the Yankees would hire Piniella. I could see them bringing in Mattingly, although Donnie Baseball may be too comfortable to budge. It would also point up they might have erred in choosing Girardi over him (as I did :( ).

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:06 am

    randy, I continue to read, hoping that some of those you mention will come back and make the place more inhabitable. You can go back to every time this team was losing games in the past seasons. I never left the place.

    The other stuff has made it unbearable for me. I can only speak for myself.

  98. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am

    The whole Montero thing comes down to whether he can actually be an acceptable full time catcher. If he can, then the Yanks screwed up. If he can’t, then it’s just another bad luck trade. Remember, the Yanks were determined to rest their aging regulars quite a bit by playing them at DH, and if they sat instead you have to deduct from Montero’s production the production those other players would have provided at DH.

    The problem is the aging, super-expensive roster.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am

    I can also say that when the Yankees were losing in the past, the people you mention never abandoned ship.

  100. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am

    bret-

    while you’re on here, what was that you were saying?

    Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    Randy I pray for your sake that crow has an ideal fatty acid profile and nutrient composition.

    Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    I have a feeling you’re going to be eating alot of it, breakfast, lunch, dinner, desert and snacks in between.

  101. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 am

    “I can also say that when the Yankees were losing in the past, the people you mention never abandoned ship.”

    when has it ever looked so dismal for the people who root for yankee management and the status quo.

    this reminds me of partisan politics when people opt out when their side loses.

  102. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “when has it ever looked so dismal for the people who root for yankee management and the status quo.”

    2008 comes to mind. Lots of people posted then.

  103. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am

    there may be some individuals who have reasons why they’re not on like they usually are, but with the numbers who are sitting on the sidelines, i think it’s really they were simply wrong and they don’t like admitting it.

  104. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Randy,

    1) You were fixated on the changeup/third pitch

    2) You have Montero overrated

    3) Despite the injury, still bullish on Pineda’s ace upside

    *You were spot on about him being a project but without an injury who knows?

  105. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 am

    “2008 comes to mind. Lots of people posted then.”

    good point.

    what’s different now?

  106. jacksquat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Here we go again. The Curse of Montero! The Yanks won’t win another World Series for at least 20 year!

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am

    It’s looks dismal for Yankee management because that’s the drum you’re beating? This is hardly the first time that the Yankees have gone through losing spells. But your Montero/Cashman tandem is the fuel for your fire. That’s part of the problem. Taking the approach that it’s your way or the highway. But it really started long before that when we couldn’t stop having the Montero/Cashman stuff shoved down our throats. That didn’t stop when the Yankees were winning this season. What works for you doesn’t always work for others.

  108. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am

    The problem is the aging, super-expensive roster.

    *********

    That’s exactly right. The tumor on the team is the half billion sunk in Arod and Tex. Clearing DH and trading Montero is just a symptom. Having severely restricted payroll flexibility is another symptom. The owners made a bad investment that impacts the whole roster long-term.

    Look no further than the heart of the order.

  109. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “what’s different now?”

    For me, no SJ44 to debate with, not much CB to discuss things with. Otherwise, things seem about the same, there are the rah-rah types, the ones who hate Cashman, the experience guys vs. the sabermetric types…

    I suspect everyone has different reasons for posting or not.

  110. RMS May 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I am just flabbergasted how Girardi’s moves, and even rhetoric lately, demonstrate how cavalier he is about the hitting part of the game.
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    Well, what can you do, Yankee management picked him over Pena and Donnie.

    ================================================================
    AJ rounding into form. 2.2 innings, 12 earned runs, 72 pitches.

  111. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am

    That didn’t stop when the Yankees were winning this season.

    —————————-

    Yes it did the Montero thing died down when the Yankees were clicking off games especially against the Sox.

  112. DONNYBROOK May 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am

    WHO in their right mind roots for “Yankee Mgt”? Usually, we root for the players. This fixation with Mgt and how they View and Do things, is NOT what a fan is into.There is a dis-connect between some of you and your Avg. fan.

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
    The whole Montero thing comes down to whether he can actually be an acceptable full time catcher. If he can, then the Yanks screwed up. If he can’t, then it’s just another bad luck trade. Remember, the Yanks were determined to rest their aging regulars quite a bit by playing them at DH, and if they sat instead you have to deduct from Montero’s production the production those other players would have provided at DH.

    The problem is the aging, super-expensive roster.
    ///

    I just don’t agree, on several fronts.

    First, I don’t think Montero being a “full-time” catcher would be a great idea, even if he can become Jorge like. While this future scenario was still in play, I was looking forward to a fairly democratic split between Sanchez/Montero behind the plate – to preserve both their bats and have both in the everyday lineup.

    Montero splitting DH/catching chores would have made a world of sense, and on the days he’s DH’ing, you simply sit Alex Rodriguez, if he can’t play 3B. Yes, aging players can become bench players. His presence in the lineup every day should not be compulsory, no matter what he’s being paid.

    In fact, this very notion the Yankees “had” to preserve the DH for ALex and Jeter should be subject to way more critical thinking than it has been; it’s faulty logic from “Go.” It continues to demonstrate their curious lack of regard for putting the best bats in the lineup.

    Yes, the problem is the aging, expensive lineup. How convenient, that you had a young, uber bat, perfect for your ballpark, with six years of control ahead of him.

  114. Tackelberry May 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Nice job you loyal “fans”. lets keep piling it on.

  115. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 am

    bret-

    learning a new pitch like the change up can contribute to injury problems because there is different finger pressures and grips and even arm slot changes even though there isn’t supposed to be.

    i could answer each point you make , but the real point is maybe it would be better for you to not be so flip with your words when clearly you weren’t right about me eating crow.

    you and i have a lot in common with how we look at something like health. why isn’t there more common ground with baseball? why the antagonism?

  116. ac1 May 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 am

    No matter how serious the pitching situation is, ill give Cashman a little credit for finally finding some schmuck to dump Burnett on…

  117. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Donny,

    Well the product on the field doesn’t just magically appear there. It’s kind of reactionary to think otherwise.

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
    That didn’t stop when the Yankees were winning this season.

    —————————-

    Yes it did the Montero thing died down when the Yankees were clicking off games especially against the Sox.
    ////

    That’s a momentary emotional salve. It doesn’t die down if you know it’s a bad, big picture move. Of course, I want to win, but a winning streak doesn’t erase the systemic issues they’re likely looking at when October rolls around. It only waves those away for the fan who never saw the issues in the first place, IMO.

  119. MTU May 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    I fit in neatly between the rah rah, Hoo rah, Boo Yah, Yee hah, and Ah hah types Wave.

    ;)

  120. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:25 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
    That didn’t stop when the Yankees were winning this season.

    —————————-

    Yes it did the Montero thing died down when the Yankees were clicking off games especially against the Sox.
    ////

    That’s a momentary emotional salve. It doesn’t die down if you know it’s a bad, big picture move. Of course, I want to win, but a winning streak doesn’t erase the systemic issues they’re likely looking at when October rolls around. It only waves those away for the fan who never saw the issues in the first place, IMO.

    ————

    Understood just making it known that even those that were against the trade didn’t throw darts when the Yankees were playing well even though they still thought it was a bad deal.

  121. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Randy,

    BS I’m antagonizing you. Again, you were right about Pineda being a project, but without the injury it’s tough to know.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am

    “Yes it did the Montero thing died down when the Yankees were clicking off games especially against the Sox.”

    No it did not. We had the nightly reports of what Montero was doing and the Cashman crap never stopped. If the Yankees were winning and the DH didn’t hit, Montero was brought up. Because Martin isn’t hitting, Montero is brought up. When Chris Stewart came on board, the jokes about the catcher in the top 50 were relentless. The Montero stuff has NEVER stopped. And because the Pineda stuff intervened, winning didn’t matter. Montero not being here mattered.

    All the posters Randy mentioned have been here through thick and thin over the past seasons. Mel and Kate have headed for the hills. Both were optimistic posters who never abandoned ship.

  123. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am

    “Yes, the problem is the aging, expensive lineup. How convenient, that you had a young, uber bat, perfect for your ballpark, with six years of control ahead of him.”

    My beef with the pro-Montero faction is that it refuses to look at both sides of the coin. Yes, Montero is likely to be a very good hitter. How likely, we don’t know. How good, we don’t know. But on the Yanks, he had to be the full time catcher. Otherwise he is going to be taking at-bats away from ARod and Jeter. And you have to subtract ARod’s and Jeter’s production at DH from what Montero would provide, whatever that turns out to be.

  124. MTU May 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 am

    trisha-

    Perspicacity required.

    ;)

  125. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am

    “I fit in neatly between the rah rah, Hoo rah, Boo Yah, Yee hah, and Ah hah types Wave.”

    Dang I forgot to mention the all-around nice guys like MTU. Sorry about that! :)

  126. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:29 am

    “I suspect everyone has different reasons for posting or not.”

    wave your hat-

    once the pineda injury happened things changed.

    for me personally, the constant sniping stopped from a lot of posters who have stopped posting.

    right now , one side and the neutrals like blake and mtu are still here.

    people like m juts stop posting.

    gb7 stops posting.

    big al stops posting

    joe form long island stops posting

    trisha mostly stops

    tomingeorgia mostly stops

    pat m mostly stops

    and there are many more

    they can come on here and respond , but i think it’s mostly things didn’t go their way.

    yeah some people simply have other things come up.

    but mostly i think its the former reason.

  127. DONNYBROOK May 3rd, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Sure, Mgt puts the product on the field, but your avg fan could care less about the thought process going into that, or the individuals involved. You ever see Anyone atta game wearing a Cashman or a Hal jersey?
    Barely a month into the season, and the die-hards around here are already evacuating the Nakitomo Building. John McClain you people aint.

  128. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 am

    “The whole Montero thing comes down to whether he can actually be an acceptable full time catcher”

    Nah…..it comes down to whether he becomes a true impact bat…..if he does then it doesn’t matter if he catches and that’s why Seattle wanted him. He coukd have taken over at first base for Tex in 4 years at age 26 even if he never caught……

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 am

    By the way, J Al has it right about P and Lost being the same person. Both of them were always West Coast Sux Fan, who is now Hebrew Hammer. And that’s the other thing. The atmosphere has been fertile for the influx of trolls.

  130. yankee 221 May 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 am

    The Montero trade drained the life from the fanbase. The team has no excitement now, nothing compelling to watch/post about. After a while, it gets tedious to keep bashing Tex, Cashman, Girardi, ARod, etc. It kind of turns into indifference.

    In the Jeter era, the Yankees have never been as boring and ambivalent as a team, as they are this year. They are a bore to watch, they can’t do much to change the team, any youth infusion involves 3rd tier guys no one gets excited about, they are tied in to many of these guys. Still, with the 2nd WC, the chances of them not grabbing a playoff spot are slim. They’ll heat up in the summer and pound the As, Indians, Royals, etc. as they always do.

    They have just become a very predictable, bland, team that has likely cause indifference among the fanbase, as far as a game to game following. Do fans want to see the broken down body of A-Rod get 500 ABs or the ghost of Ibanez…. or Montero? They screwed up that trade from and on-the-field and off-the-field standpoint. The ballpark is as dead as it has been since its inception and I don’t think it is a coincidence.

  131. austinmac May 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I do agree this team has no pizazz. Excitement is brought by acquisitions or young players with a lot of tools coming up. Perhaps, they have that in the pitching area, but it will be at least three years before any of the lower level bats are ready.

    I have noticed empty seats as well even in the non-absurd price areas. Yes, if they win interest will reignite, but right now, the fan base has little confidence in the team. They don’t pitch, at least the starters, and half of the regulars are in season long slumps.

    But, they have Nix coming up. Whew. He is a 32 year old let go by the Nats. Wouldn’t it be interesting if the team actually had a young player to bring up?

    Everyone loves to glorify the Yanks minor league system and make fun of the Sox. I wish the Yankees had Middleton or someone like him.

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am

    “they can come on here and respond , but i think it’s mostly things didn’t go their way.”

    Yeah, like that ever stopped me in the past. I think you know better than that about most of the people you mentioned. Maybe you don’t want to deal with the possibility that the other stuff really drove people away. I don’t know.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Understood just making it known that even those that were against the trade didn’t throw darts when the Yankees were playing well even though they still thought it was a bad deal.
    ///

    Odds, I think they’re going to be alright in the regular season. The pitching is actually deep enough to get through the marathon and the bullpen is lights out. With CC/Kuroda/Andy/Nova, I think they also have a great chance to not tax that good bullpen over the long haul.

    Once Cano warms up and Swisher and Gardner return to add more oomph in the first case, more variety of approach in the second, they’ll score enough runs to be in and potentially win most nights.

    That’s the issue: the Montero effect is a more insidious, underground one unless you’ve really been paying attention. That’s why we hear the “3rd highest runs total” stuff. The effect is more insidious can’t be really grasped in the short term. So there really is not point to debating it. Those who understand, already do. Those who don’t, can’t.

    I’m out.

    Have a good one, pal.

  134. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:34 am

    “My beef with the pro-Montero faction is that it refuses to look at both sides of the coin.”

    wave your hat-

    do you get it that many of us think that the people with the thought process that made the montero decision are still there making what we think are bad decisions?

  135. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:34 am

    “Nah…..it comes down to whether he becomes a true impact bat…..if he does then it doesn’t matter if he catches and that’s why Seattle wanted him. He coukd have taken over at first base for Tex in 4 years at age 26 even if he never caught……”

    I disagree blake, that’s a general argument but it doesn’t work for this particular Yankee roster. You can’t just say there would be a place for Montero in 2017, and you can’t ignore the need to rest Jeter and ARod. Montero had to catch on this particular Yankee team.

  136. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Excitement is brought by acquisitions or young players with a lot of tools coming up.

    ———————————

    Unfortunately the next wave of young players are yrs away and the acquisitions are coming to an end.

  137. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “do you get it that many of us think that the people with the thought process that made the montero decision are still there making what we think are bad decisions?”

    Sure randy, I get it. Do you get it that I think it’s to soon to agree with you?

  138. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Nope. The heart of the order has drained the life from the fan base. There is no energy in Tex and Arod and we’re stuck with it for the next 5 years.

  139. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    “Montero had to catch on this particular Yankee team.”

    He needed to catch some…..not full time…..he just needed to catch enough to allow Arod and Jeter some DH time…..that was doable as Seattle is showing…

  140. DONNYBROOK May 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    The Yankee team, And the fan base, AND this Blog, will getta shot-in-the-arm when Pettitte returns.

  141. yankee 221 May 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am

    When you see the Rangers with Darvish/Feliz throwing smoke in the rotation with the backdrop of an elite lineup with Hamilton looking like Babe Ruth… or the LA Dodgers with the best pitcher/hitter combination in baseball along with exciting rookies like Dee Gordon, or the Nationals with Harper/Strasburg/Zimmerman plus other young players like Desmond. Or the Tigers with Verlander at the front with Cabrera/Fielder/Jackson. Or even the Mariners with a young developing core, an elite ace, and some young developing pitchers…. or the D’Backs with a young staff and guys like Goldschmith/Upton to watch, etc. or the SF Giants watching 4 homegrown hard throwing studs in the rotation along with a franchise player in the lineup plus guys like Pablo, Belt, etc.. I could go on. Hell, even the lowly Mets fans are as excited about their team as they have been in years and haven’t even brought up their 3 stud pitchers.

    Baseball at its core has always been seeing exciting players and guys to come to the ballpark to see, players to attach and follow, and monitoring the progress of guys who were with your system from their teenage years blossom into contributing pieces of a winning team. Guys you could put a poster of in your room and buy their jersey. And with their new “budget”, the acquisitions are going to be coming to an end, so there is no point in even following the hot stove anymore or get excited about what new faces will be on the team.

    George has to be rolling in his grave seeing Hal’s flawed business model and a chump like Cahsman trying to execute it….

  142. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Take care JAP you made a good point about the long term effect.

  143. tucker May 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am

    A question for the morning crew: Do you feel Hal secretly embraced the 189 million cap during CBA negotiations?

    Recall how George defied the luxury tax, criticized it and, frankly, defied it. There has been no such resistance from Hal. Lowering payroll is a path he has pursued since taking over. The CBA just gives him a hard number to go after — an excuse if you will to justify the path he prefers. Granted, it makes financial sense considering the escalating penalties and the carrot of recouping some revenue sharing.

    I just find his silence on the topic an illustrative difference to the old man.

  144. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Actually, there’s nothing wrong atound here that a 6 game winning streak wouldn’t fix.

  145. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 am

    I’m perfectly happy. Ladies out the wazoo but I’m a slut.

  146. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 am

    “Yeah, like that ever stopped me in the past.”

    you’ve pretty much been dealt a body slam with what happened with pineda. it’s kind of unprecedented.

    it’s probably a tipping point or cashman and the yankees.

    this whole thing is a big deal.

    i’m kind of say what is happening in the larger picture with the yankees is maybe playing out on the blog.

    i think it’s worth talking about because somethings going on more than just aversion to montero/pineda talk though i’ll give you that might be a factor.

    but it can’t be the whole thing.

    and even if it was a factor why did it have so much impact once pineda got hurt?

  147. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “Actually, there’s nothing wrong atound here that a 6 game winning streak wouldn’t fix.”

    that would be true :)

  148. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “A question for the morning crew: Do you feel Hal secretly embraced the 189 million cap during CBA negotiations?”

    Yes….I bet he loves it to be honest…he’s been wanting to lower the payroll for years and the new CBA gives him the perfect cover.

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “You can’t just say there would be a place for Montero in 2017, and you can’t ignore the need to rest Jeter and ARod. Montero had to catch on this particular Yankee team.”

    To quote J Al, those who understand, already do. Those who don’t, can’t.

    While the Yankees may have problem areas and places where they need to improve, not freeing up DH that’s needed for other players and not thinking that Montero was their best bet for BUC – and recognizing the need for other starters in the rotation in the meantime – are not some of them.

  150. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Has CB posted since the Pineda news?

    Would like to hear their take (incidentally, I don’t know if CB is male or female, but they always make some stellar observations).

  151. pat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 am

    The MIA have a track record here and never had a problem admitting they were wrong in the past so I’m not buying that’s the reason they have gone missing.

    I think we used to have friendly debate and civil disagreement here and that was fun. The antagonism and personal attacks have stopped people from posting because that’s not fun.

    We used to have a baseball blog that felt like a community and now it’s a baseball blog that feels like a battlefield.

  152. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 am

    : Do you feel Hal secretly embraced the 189 million cap during CBA negotiations?

    ————————-

    Of course he’s a;ways been a conservative money guy so he probably did a backflip when this was brought up. Problem is though any money they recoup isn’t going into the minors or development staff.

  153. RMS May 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Actually, there’s nothing wrong atound here that a 6 game winning streak wouldn’t fix.

    —————————————————————————————
    That’s right, winning stops complaining.

  154. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “Actually, there’s nothing wrong atound here that a 6 game winning streak wouldn’t fix.”

    In the short term yes….long term though no….there are cracks forming in the foundation. I think the front offices current plan is to 1) get below 189. 2) hope like crazy the current team can fend off age 3) hope the great Charleston team becomes a great Yankee team in 3 years

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Pineda getting hurt didn’t change my perspective one whit. Montero needed to go because he didn’t fit into the current Yankee scheme. It’s that simple. And changing the whole team around to accommodate Montero was not going to happen. They didn’t value his catching ability, they needed pitching, and they needed the revolving DH spot. So Pineda getting hurt merely slowed things down. It didn’t crash the team. Montero is a monster who had no place on the team. And your saying otherwise randy, as well as anyone else who is saying otherwise, doesn’t change my mind at all about it. That simple.

  156. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am

    blake May 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “A question for the morning crew: Do you feel Hal secretly embraced the 189 million cap during CBA negotiations?”

    Yes….I bet he loves it to be honest…he’s been wanting to lower the payroll for years and the new CBA gives him the perfect cover.

    ——————

    blake’s spot on as usual.

    I think the team is taking a turn to some degree. I’m not going to go so far at this point to say that winning isn’t the #1 priority long term.. but I think its fair to say that the top priority at the moment is $189 million in 2014 – something that, by the way, isn’t a requirement despite the financial benefits it may provide. Getting under in 2015 would reset the luxury tax as well.

  157. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am

    he was always*

  158. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am

    “Has CB posted since the Pineda news?”

    Yea he posted….talked about the risk of the deal and basically how dumb it was in short.

  159. austinmac May 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am

    I used to make sure to be in front of the TV when Alex, Cano or Tex came to bat. Now, their is no belief we are about to see something exciting. Now, I just groan as they strike out, ground oud or pop up. They haven’t even been making loud outs.

    I would say take Cano out of the four hole, but who would go there? Swisher upon his return?

  160. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am

    ” Do you get it that I think it’s to soon to agree with you?”

    wave your hat-

    yeah, i get that too. i was very aware that pineda could have been the one pitching right now and montero hurt. montero could get run over tonight and break a leg and be out for the rest for the rest of the year.

    or pineda could come back and be lights out while montero is lights out and it’s still a debate.

    the problem here is it seems like there is a whole lot of bad decisions happening that go beyond just bad luck.

    at a certain point it’s not bad luck that keeps happening.

    i think thats the issue right now, and yeah if the yankees roll out 6 straight wins the the talk changes.

    but until that happens, there are questions about how things are being done.

  161. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am

    No it did not. We had the nightly reports of what Montero was doing and the Cashman crap never stopped.
    ///

    Trisha,

    The “nightly” Montero reports, as you call them, are not understood by you.

    There are people among us here, me being one, who really have affection for Montero because we watched him grow in the system and looked forward to his career in pinstripes.

    We’re not Mariners’ fans, and as nice as Rosy is, I especially sit up and take notice of her Mariners’ musings when they’re concerning Montero, who I continue to be interested in.

    The group that discusses him and roots for him enjoys the mutual comraderie we can’t have any more as Yankee fans; but we can still cheer for hi from afar.

    I find your harping on this to be egotistical. No offense, but I don’t really care to tweak you, Trisha. Getting a reaction from you, and others here, has never been my MO. I’m interested in cheering Montero on in those 10 p.m. West Coast games with fellow fans who want to see him do well and want to witness it.

    No one has asked you to join in rooting for the guy, but telling me to shut up about him is not within your rights here.

    As for criticizing Cashman, he brought that on when he made this trade. I don’t need the likes of you to tell me how to root for my childhood team, who my father raised me on, thanks. My interest is seeing new management in place, and I’m going to say so until something changes, or until Cashman finds a way to convince me he’s made amends for losing that special bat.

    And it figures someone who never got that Jorge Posada was special, and wanted him removed, even, would not grasp the cost of losing a guy like Montero.

    Good day.

  162. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am

    randy-

    By the way, I agree with you about a lot of things, in particular the Yanks seeming inability to develop starting pitching the way other teams do. And their seeming inability to identify the best pitchers, such as keeping Garcia and letting Colon go (I don’t know if you’ve mentioned that), or choosing to have dealt Ian Kennedy while keeping Hughes and Joba. I just don’t agree with putting it all on Cashman, who I think as done at least as well as the next GM, and probably better than most.

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am

    pat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Absolutely and unequivocally that.

  164. DONNYBROOK May 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am

    The farm system for the last 40yrs has NOT excited the fan base. It’s George’s spending on Free Agents that had fans buzzing. The $189 Mill\2014 that Hal has bought into has brought that excitement to an end. Having Little Lord Fauntleroy call the shots, has resulted in stagnation on the field and boredom in the stands and on this Blog.

  165. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    3) hope the great Charleston team becomes a great Yankee team in 3 years

    ——————–

    SMH that’s hoping for a lot but hey they told us that Generation Trey would anchor the staff for yrs to come and Brackman would have done before or right after Price if he didn’t need TJS.

  166. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    “Has CB posted since the Pineda news?”

    CB April 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
    A devastating turn of events for the Yankee’s franchise. There’s no question about it. it has an enormous material impact on the next 10 years of the franchise’s future at least.

    I said this immediately after the trade. Yes it’s true that Pineda and Montero could be considered almost equivalent assets in terms of value. But there was never a doubt that the yankees were the party absorbing the overwhelming risk in the deal. That was clear from teh start.

    I also said that there was a non-trivial chance that Pineda would get seriously injured this spring and that if he does you don’t get to go back and say wow what a surprise who could have predicted this? Doesn’t work that way. This isn’t any shocking surprise.

    That’s not knowledge of anything in particular on my part. It’s just the general probability that’s at play with a pitcher at that age.

    It’s always unfortunate but never truly surprising if a young pitcher get seriously injured. It literally is just math.

    And right now I don’t particularly believe the Yankees “explanation” of this. Sure it’s possible that he could have torn his labrum worse during rehab (which makes them look completely incompetent in another dimension…)

    But there is absolutely no way they can “definitely” say that’s when it happened.

    This is why I was so infuriated that last spring training start Pineda threw. That’s when he said he shoulder really started to hurt.

    It was just so blatantly obvious that something was broken with him. His mechanics were just awful. His front shoulder kept flying open and his back shoulder dragging as he tried to reach for velocity he clearly didn’t have.

    And Girardi and Rothschild just sat in the dugout and literally did nothing as he threw one pitch after another after another.

    This after Girardi made it clear that in order to make the team Pineda would need to show that he could throw 95. What a incredibly perverse thing to say. What else is the kid going to do other than try to throw the ball through the catcher’s glove in order to stay in the bigs even if he physically can’t handle.

    The Yanks gave him huge incentive to throw max effort even if he physically couldn’t do it. You know what can happen with that combination? Shoulder injuries. Huge stress to throw gets transmitted to the shoulder.

    And what makes all of this even worse it’s not as if the Yankees or the coaching staff had ever worked with Pineda or knew him. He’s a 22 yo kid going through his first spring training camp after a full major league load. He doesn’t know how his body will react. He’s never done this before. He’s not Pettitte or Mo. The Yankees don’t know him either so it’s not like they know what to look for if something goes wrong.

    But rather than be cautious they just kept going along despite the fact that he had absolutely no life on the ball.

    There is no way the Yankees can say definitely that he didn’t tear his labrum the night of his last spring training start. Or earlier in the spring. It could have been last year though with the MRI it makes it less likely.

    But Pineda was broken from the beginning of spring training. And they just kept letting him throw and throw and throw while spitting out cliches.

    This franchise is simply incompetent when it comes to young pitching. There’s is no two ways about it. Grossly negligent.

    Someone needs to held accountable for this. It’s mind boggling.

  167. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 am

    “i think it’s worth talking about because somethings going on more than just aversion to montero/pineda talk though i’ll give you that might be a factor.”

    If we’re getting deep (I love it when we get deep on LoHud!), I think it could be described as a touch of disillusionment. I hate comparing it to politics but Cash is sort of like the President… you campaign on promises and once he got control the people expect him to deliver and for his ideas to pay dividends. They simply haven’t. Now it could be a lack of support from other front office (congress?) members, but it could also be that the plan he campaigned on was simply flawed.

  168. Bret The Hitman May 3rd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am
    randy-

    By the way, I agree with you about a lot of things, in particular the Yanks seeming inability to develop starting pitching the way other teams do. And their seeming inability to identify the best pitchers, such as keeping Garcia and letting Colon go (I don’t know if you’ve mentioned that), or choosing to have dealt Ian Kennedy while keeping Hughes and Joba. I just don’t agree with putting it all on Cashman, who I think as done at least as well as the next GM, and probably better than most.

    *********

    All true. I agree with Randy on these things. Still, I hold hope for Nova and Manny. I think management consider them keepers and I think both will pan out.

  169. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “We used to have a baseball blog that felt like a community and now it’s a baseball blog that feels like a battlefield.”

    pat-

    yeah, whose fault is that?

    as a member of the minority position, i don’t remember you being too friendly and civil from your majority position.

  170. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “The farm system for the last 40yrs has NOT excited the fan base.”

    It certainly did when it produced a core that won 5 titles……what if some of those guys had been traded away because they needed pitching and didn’t want to pay for it?

  171. tucker May 3rd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    The $189 million figure certainly seems to justify all of the owners’ individual interests. Hal gets to run the team more like a business. The limited partners are happy.

    And cashman loves the figure because he gets a chance to knock the perception that he can only win by flexing the payroll muscle. He desperately craves respect from his colleagues. He figures winning at 189 million will buy him some respect.

  172. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am

    “And it figures someone who never got that Jorge Posada was special, and wanted him removed, even, would not grasp the cost of losing a guy like Montero. ”

    Comments like that one. And you show your total lack of knowledge when you say I never got that Posada was special. You have the ability to go from A to Z in an instant. It’s not fair, and it’s not fun for whomever you happen to be pummelling.

    Because I don’t see losing Montero exactly the same way you do does not necessarily make you right and me wrong.

    And your comments about fans who do not follow the minors assiduously being less optimistic and understanding fans than those who do also strikes me as totally off base.

    As Pat aptly pointed out, the discourse has gone from civil to antagonistic.

  173. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I think the $189M soft cap was an anti-Yankee measure crammed down the Yanks’ throat.

  174. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 11:55 am

    “By the way, I agree with you about a lot of things, in particular the Yanks seeming inability to develop starting pitching the way other teams do. ”

    I agree also, but it’s not enough to make me want to jump into the current minefield.

    I’m out.

  175. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    “I just don’t agree with putting it all on Cashman, who I think as done at least as well as the next GM, and probably better than most.”

    wave your hat-

    in the best of all possible worlds, i’d like to see cashman slide sideways so the yankees keep his experience and expertise. i just don’t want everything to go through him.

    i’d like him to be bumped like they do in other organizations. the twins did it with their gm. cleveland did it. lots of teams do it. it helps with continuity if the gm stays in the organization.

    i don’t think i’m taking an extreme position on cashman with this. i think it’s a fair one given the situation and the new baseball world the yankees are entering into.

  176. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I think the $189M soft cap was an anti-Yankee measure crammed down the Yanks’ throat.

    ———————————-

    Maybe but they have been talking about lowering the payroll for yrs. Hell Cash had to beg Hal to sign Tex.

  177. G. Love May 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 am

    The blog is cyclical. You know, as well as I do, the second Texeira hits a HR posters will be tripping all over themselves to come in here and say I told you so to the one’s who are looking at his 4 year decline as something sobering and frightening.

    It’s not the blog that’s the problem.

    It’s this team. They stroll into Boston and crash the Red Sox’s birthday party like a band of marauders and then fall asleep for 2 weeks like the games don’e count.

    The worst thing that happened was the Sunday rainout in Boston. That broke our momentum.

    Still, there are larger problems with the Yankees. The team is boring. It’s tiresome watching Texeira and Martin play this way.

    The bright spots are the occasional Mo, Robbie sightings, Jeter, Nova and Grandy.

    Other than that, it’s a chore to watch this team scuffle. The manager constantly telling us “It’s okay with me”, “Nothing to see here”, etc. doesn’t help.

    The Yankees have taken a patient approach where troubling trends are completely ignored and shot down in the hopes that players will revert to their baseball cards by season’s end.

    It seems like the team does not care whether they win or lose since it’s a long season and these things work themselves out.

    There’s no passion. It’s soulless baseball and it’s working it’s way through the fans.

    I go to a ton of games and the people in the seats almost seem primed to see Tex, Martin, Arod fail when the team needs them.

    We’ve lost confidence in the majority of the batting order.

    But all we hear from the Yankees is, “it’s a long season”. “It’s fine”. “It’ll work itself out”. Blah blah blah.

    What I’m talking about has nothing to do with Montero. It’s a reaction to the team we’re watching. Phil Hughes is applauded for mediocrity. Tex is cheered by the manager for hitting a ball hard foul.

    The bar has been lowered and we’re all sensing it.

    You want to call the people who can articulate this fake fans or trolls, go right ahead. But I love the Yankees, love baseball and watching this team is boring me to sleep most nights. They’re more predictable than a sitcom that’s been on the air too long.

    And the fact is, the juice Darvish and Montero would have brought to the stadium as a tandem this season is undeniable.

    Hopefully, Andy comes back and helps tip the attitude back in the right direction.

  178. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “I agree also, but it’s not enough to make me want to jump into the current minefield.

    I’m out.”

    until kuroda has a bad game and you’re back in? :)

  179. Melk Man May 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “The farm system for the last 40yrs has NOT excited the fan base. It’s George’s spending on Free Agents that had fans buzzing. The $189 Mill\2014 that Hal has bought into has brought that excitement to an end. Having Little Lord Fauntleroy call the shots, has resulted in stagnation on the field and boredom in the stands and on this Blog.”

    They used to have a healthy balance of both. now they have neither. no exciting free agents, trades, nor any youngster that has panned out nor that gets the fanbase excited with Montero’s departure.

  180. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am

    randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    “I just don’t agree with putting it all on Cashman, who I think as done at least as well as the next GM, and probably better than most.”

    wave your hat-

    in the best of all possible worlds, i’d like to see cashman slide sideways so the yankees keep his experience and expertise. i just don’t want everything to go through him.

    i’d like him to be bumped like they do in other organizations. the twins did it with their gm. cleveland did it. lots of teams do it. it helps with continuity if the gm stays in the organization.

    i don’t think i’m taking an extreme position on cashman with this. i think it’s a fair one given the situation and the new baseball world the yankees are entering into.

    —————————-

    Some ppl think he’ll eventually slide into Levine’s position and Eppler will take Cash’s job.

  181. austinmac May 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Folks, we can all be hopeful about the low Class A players, but the odds of any one of them being a productive major leaguer are not great. They have three minor league levels to prove themselves and then the hardest jump of all to the majors. It not as simple as saying they don’t need to worry about catching in the future because of Sanchez or center field because they have Williams.

    But, wait, they do spend money. They spent $400K on an older 5’7″ outfielder who will fill in nicely on the older, non-prospect AAA team.

    I also think Hal was thrilled with the new agreement because it justified cost cutting. He does not see the repercussions.

  182. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “I think the $189M soft cap was an anti-Yankee measure crammed down the Yanks’ throat.”

    Definitely an anti-Yankee measure….but I bet there was no cramming down anyones throats…..more like high fiveing in Hals office.

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Right, lady.

    You’re the most passive aggressive, self serving person in here.

    You called luis, who is back breakingly patient and nice, Laurel to my Hardy, when he could run circles around you in baseball aptitude.

    Sorry, but you take shots left and right at people with your sententious posting. We talk about the trade, the team.

    You talk, endlessly, about us.

    Later.

  184. randy l. May 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 am

    “The bar has been lowered and we’re all sensing it.”

    g.love

    yeah, this is the feeling i have.

  185. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    And also by the way, I don’t hold it against the pro-Montero side of the argument for doing a bit of a victory dance, because if Pineda were throwing shutouts I’m sure we members of the pro-Pineda faction would be doing exactly the same thing.

  186. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    The new CBA gives Hal a legit reason to cut like 50 million bucks off his expense report…..when you factor in the taxes….and he can do it and tell the fanbase about how its the CBA’s fault……all while he pockets the cash.. it’ll be fine if they win……if they don’t the fans wont stand for it.

  187. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “but I bet there was no cramming down anyones throats…..more like high fiveing in Hals office.”

    blake, I really don’t think so. I think the Yank management understands how important winning is to the Yank brand and business model, and I’m sure they understand that the soft cap is a real problem. But the penalties are so severe I think they are forced to live with it.

    The question is, will Yank management be sufficiently resourceful to succeed in the new environment? I have to admit I do wonder about that.

  188. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    But the penalties are so severe I think they are forced to live with it.

    ————————————

    Everyone would agree if they were not talking about lowering payroll for the past 4-5 yrs. The CBA gives them an out.

  189. DONNYBROOK May 3rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    This Blog has always been a cyber version of one of those OLD Bostonian Gentleman’s Club. You know, where the old geezers sit around, puffing on stogies, and commenting on the events of the day. Anybody New enters the building and says something that is unique or thought provoking, and they are immediately subjected to verbal attack and basically shown the door. And Newbes that Have departed, have commented on being bullied. I’m one of the few Newbes that Refuses to be run off.

  190. blake May 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    “blake, I really don’t think so. I think the Yank management understands how important winning is to the Yank brand and business model, ”

    I think they do…..but I think they underestimate the Yankee fans ability to hold them accountable…….I also have questions about the current front office’s ability to maximize a payroll number……because they’ve never had to do it before….they have never had to be truly efficient.

  191. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    “until kuroda has a bad game and you’re back in? :)

    Kuroda could give up 100 runs in the first inning and I wouldn’t come back to this forum. Without the people who made this place a better place IMO – all those who have left, the ones you mentioned – I wouldn’t want to be here.

    J Al – and we were such good friends until I wasn’t on board with your opinion about Montero. I called you two Laurel and Hardy because you spent your time making fun of peoples’ opinions and luis would just pile on.

    Some day in the future go back and read the forums. Maybe you’ll see what I’m talking about.

    In any event, you can keep up all the harshness you want.

  192. RMS May 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
    But some, I won’t name names, who complain about the Montero trade talk being run into the ground are the same people who every now and again-

    Rip Torre
    Said Posada shouldn’t catch
    Criticized everyone but AJ on his terrible pitching.

  193. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “Anybody New enters the building and says something that is unique or thought provoking, and they are immediately subjected to verbal attack and basically shown the door. ”

    It’s always been that way. Congratulations, you survived the ordeal…

  194. tucker May 3rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    I don’t see the $189 million figure as an anti-Yankees measure per se. The Red Sox sre dealing with that figure and so are the Phillies.

    I think the owners uniformly embraced the measure. I’m just surprised the players rolled over so easily.

  195. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “I also have questions about the current front office’s ability to maximize a payroll number……because they’ve never had to do it before….they have never had to be truly efficient.”

    True dat. Biggest question IMO.

  196. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “Right, lady.

    You’re the most passive aggressive, self serving person in here.

    You called luis, who is back breakingly patient and nice, Laurel to my Hardy, when he could run circles around you in baseball aptitude.

    Sorry, but you take shots left and right at people with your sententious posting. We talk about the trade, the team.

    You talk, endlessly, about us.

    Later.”

    Pot-kettle?

    If I talked endlessly, it was about the nonstop stuff about Montero and Cashman.

    Differs greatly from calling people names. Those who understand, do. Those who do not, can’t.

  197. Wave Your Hat May 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    I cannot believe GB7 and Pat M and some of those others have really left. GB7 has a hide as thick as an elephant, the razzing wouldn’t bother him.

  198. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    “are the same people who every now and again”

    Maybe the “every now and again” is the key here.

  199. MTU May 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    People are saying the excitment is gone, etc.

    And that will lead to problems.

    Has anyone checked the attendance figures for the season thus far ?

    I haven’t but I’d make a gentleman’s bet that it is not down signifcantly.

    And I’d also make the same bet that they will not be down signifcantly for the entire season with the proviso that the Yankees do at least as well as last season.

    Hal is not going to start losing a ton of money as long as this team stays competitive, and I think it will.

    my 2 cents.

    ;)

  200. austinmac May 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    I do remember one year George cast the sole dissenting vote on the collective bargaining agreement. Hal, must believe this agreement ties into his desire to reduce spending.

    It had been said for a long time Hal had no desire to run the team. He preferred to run the horses. When George’s daughter got divorced, the yleft Hank(as idiot) and Hal(a non-fan). It is a business to him as it was a business to CBS. That is nota good thing for we fans.

    Never once have I gotten excited because my team had a higher profit margin.

  201. MTU May 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    New thread ——>

  202. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    J Al – and we were such good friends until I wasn’t on board with your opinion about Montero. I called you two Laurel and Hardy because you spent your time making fun of peoples’ opinions and luis would just pile on.
    ///

    Trisha, we’ve been friendly because I have chosen to ignore some of your more nasty responses.

    And I like you, in spite of it. But you can’t just take wild swings when you feel like it and expect to garner respect. You’ve quoted lines from my posts and made sweeping generalizations that really wouldn’t stand up to any sober scrutiny. I’ve given you immunity – just like the rest of the blog, here, who seems to excuse you even when you’ve thrown the first salvo (Randy was right last night or whenever that was). You can’t have it both ways. Argue the baseball. If you can’t do that, don’t say anything. Attacking me isn’t going to dispose me to giving you more rope.

  203. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    J Al – and I like you too in spite of it. So let’s just put those differences aside. You’ve said things, I’ve said things.

    And I actually know a lot more about baseball than you want to give me credit for knowing.

    :)

  204. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    And you don’t want to use an isolated example with randy as an example that would stand up to scrutiny. Everyone here knows that I’ve been randy’s exclusive punching bag – when he isn’t on nick. Okay, maybe on jerkface too.

  205. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Trisha,

    New slate is fine with me. Internet hug. I hope you are feeling better. Out for lunchtime :)

  206. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Love in bloom, J Al. We’ll never be anything but good friends.

    :)

  207. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Trisha,

    I think Randy actually likes you and enjoys the sparring, although it gets very nasty. I think you sometimes overlook his sense of humor and an abiding humanity and humor he brings; he pokes fun at himself a great deal. Any way, you two have your “thing.” :D

    Take care.

  208. J. Alfred Prufrock May 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Trisha,

    I agree. Spat between close relatives, makeup the sweeter ;)

    Now, I’m really out! :D

  209. yankeefeminista May 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    repost (put it in pitching thread…oops)

    yankeefeminista May 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Blake, except so far, our hitting in a sss. vs. LHP as per Sherman:

    “Joel Sherman ? Joelsherman1
    Jeter is 19-33 (.576BA) with 5 XBH vs. LHs. Rest of #Yankees 29-149 (.195) with 8 XBH. Face #Royals LH Danny Duffy tonite.”

    Grandy’s another bright spot vs. LHP. Things will improve once Robinson gets away from his atypical lefty splits. Ditto, a few others. No time like the presence.

    Nice return appearance by ManBan!!!

    I am out to lunch too, but wanted to get in on the group hug. Go Yanks!

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    YF – you never left it!

    :)

    Now I’m really really really out.

  211. charlestonchew May 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Tex hit almost 40 homeruns last year and was extremely productive. He looks like this every year at the start.

    At least Alex is finding ways to get on base. We’ll see a Cano resurgence and Gardner/Swisher will be back soon. Things will turn around, just wait. Nothing needs to be changed except maybe our bench & rotation slightly. I think this is a great team with a very bright future this year. 1st place is very likely. Best record in baseball is possible, too.

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