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Girardi: “You’ve got to find a way to overcome it”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 04, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’ll be hosting a chat on the blog today at noon, and I’m sure it will include plenty of Mariano Rivera talk. For now, I’ll let the Yankees have their say. Here are several of the Yankees talking about last night’s stunning injury.

Derek Jeter
“Mo is Mo. There’s never been anyone like him. There won’t be anyone like him. You can’t go out there and try to compare yourself to him. You just go out there and try to get outs and do your job. … It was a freak thing. If it was someone out there that never really is out there and didn’t know what they were doing then it would be a different story, but Mo gets his conditioning when he’s out there shagging fly balls. He’s like a center fielder anyway. It’s a freak thing. There’s no other way you can explain it.”

Alex Rodriguez
“It’s hard to even talk about it tonight. Mo means so much to all of us on a personal level. Obviously there’s significance on the field, on the mound with his presence. The bottom line is, we’re the New York Yankees. Nobody is going to feel sorry for us. We have a very capable roster in here. Guys have to step up, see it as an opportunity.”

CC Sabathia
“There’s really nothing you can do. He was just shagging. It’s unfortunate. … It’s crazy. It’s tough, but we’re just going to do whatever we can to step up and try to fill the void of the best closer to ever play baseball. It’s going to be real tough, but we have to keep going.”

Dave Robertson
“He’s the anchor of our bullpen, and it’s a guy that’s always there, always consistent. For something like this to happen and this is how we lose him, it’s tough. It’s really tough. It’s just like snap your fingers and he’s out. … I don’t know if I’m prepared to do it or not. I’m going to go out there and give it everything I’ve got and hope for the best. I’m not Mariano Rivera. I’m not going to be able to go out there and do exactly what he does and get outs real quickly. I’m a different style pitcher. I’ve never done it. All I can do is say I’m going to try real hard.”

Mark Teixeira
“Accidents happen. That’s all I can say. You can get hurt getting out of bed, literally. You can get hurt doing anything. That’s Mo. Part of what makes him great is that he’s so athletic, and he loves to run around out there, loves to have fun. You don’t play this game for 15-plus years without having fun.”

Joe Girardi
“This is bad, no question about it. This is not what you come to Kansas City for to hear, but good teams find a way to overcome things. If we want to play in October, we’re going to have to find a way to overcome it. … It’s not what you want, but it’s not season over. We’ve got a lot of games left. You can win games a lot of different ways. Do I like having a deep bullpen, just like every other manager? Yes. Does this shorten it? Yes. Is it a big guy that you’re losing? Yes. But you’ve got to find a way to overcome it.”

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161 Responses to “Girardi: “You’ve got to find a way to overcome it””

  1. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Everyone moves up now. Robertson should get first crack at closer job. Soriano takes the 8th. Wade the 7th with help from Logan. Give DJ Mitchell a shot at the 6th inning. With his sinker and ability to get ground balls, he could become a key component. Hopefully at some point David Aardsma can help, perhaps after the All Star break, and maybe even Joba makes it back by late August or early September.. Its a little too much to expect a guy like Mark Montgomery to jump 3 levels this year though.. Bottom line is, everyone has to pick up the slack. Season is far from over

  2. Against All Odds May 4th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Against All Odds May 4th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    it could be a good thing because we all know he can set up.

  3. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    From the way he’s taking it sounds like somebody already talked to Robertson about the job. He does have the best arm out there but I wouldn’t question whatever they decide.

    I didn’t sleep very well and had a nightmare about Mariano. I think I even cried in my sleep a bit.

  4. Bret The Hitman May 4th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Even before Mo went down the achilles heal of this team is the flat, lifeless middle of the order with Teixeira and Arod not earning their paychecks. Those guys need to turn around their seasons or else this team will be a marginal playoff contender that can’t touch the Texas Rangers. The rejuvenation of Tex and Arod seems like too much of a longshot to me. Andy should energize the team and Cashman needs to be aggressive at this year’s deadline. He did nothing to add to the team last year at the deadline. He should think about bringing in a fan favorite in Melky Cabrera. Trade for him with a package centered on Eduardo Nunez.

  5. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Wonder if they now put Hughes back in the pen. But if they do, then leave him there permanently. No more flip flopping. They’ve messed him up enough

  6. Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....XILZ1yZMdP

    One executive who used to guarantee Montero could not catch in the majors saw him play recently and said: “He’s better than I thought. He certainly is better than John Jaso.

    Who knew that “experts” could be wrong?

  7. Melkmanisinhotlanta May 4th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Mo made a decision to reveal at the end of the year. He will retire if he believes the “lord” hastened his decision to retire by having a freak injury occur to him. When good things or bad things happen, it’s all part of the lord’s plan. Perhaps this is the plan for Drob.

  8. mick May 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    We should thank god we have Drob ready to go.
    If we didn’t the blog blows up.

    Speedy recovery for Mo. If any player could do this, it is he.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s back for the playoffs…

  9. Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    If this does turn out to be another 2008 type season do you think the Yankees might make a play for Ellsbury in the off season?

  10. Bret The Hitman May 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Three guys I’d like to see energize this 2012 team:

    1) Andy Pettitte

    2) Joba Chamberlain

    3) Melky Cabrera

  11. Melkmanisinhotlanta May 4th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    The experts can’t judge heart and that is why they failed with Montero especially Cashman. You don’t give up a crown jewel like Montero so that you can give your old has beens DH time. You work Montero in no matter what because he is a monster.

    Cashman will not be GM in the next 12 months.

  12. BIG AL May 4th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Bret -

    Are you serious? If the Yankees trade Nunez, they have no viable BU at SS.

    I don’t want to see Melky back, he has been bad for Cano in the past.

  13. Bret The Hitman May 4th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    I’m not to excited about Phil to the pen but it will be interesting what they do with their long term planning in the bullpen if anything with Mo down sooner than expected. Do they convert Betances as a reliever?

  14. BIG AL May 4th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Triple -

    Ellsbury is a very good player, but it appears he is injury prone.

  15. Bret The Hitman May 4th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    BIG AL,

    Melky could make a huge impact on this team. I’d rather be short a backup shortstop (I mean, look at the way Jeter looks right now) than short a clutch hitter, sparkplug guy. Melky could hit second behind Jeter. If he starts goofing with Cano, you just take let him walk at the end of the season and take the draft picks.

  16. Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Ellsbury is a very good player, but it appears he is injury prone.

    —————————————————————————-

    True. It is a shame because he would fit perfectly on this team

  17. Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Melky put up the numbers he did last year because he accumulated nearly 700 st bats hitting at the top of the Giants lineup. He really is pretty much the same hitter he was with us

  18. RadioKev May 4th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    I think clearly Robertson is the new closer, they just didn’t want to say it yesterday. Not really the time for that.

  19. Bret The Hitman May 4th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Melky is now a .300 hitter. He finished top 10 in TB’s in 2011. In 2012 he is one hit shy of being top 10 in hits. The guy knows how to hit a baseball. If you slot him into the 2 spot behind Jeter you can drop Granderson in the order and maybe even swap Swisher and Tex. Adding Melky changes the whole look of the lineup and gives the fans a player who is exciting to watch because he’s clutch.

    Jeter
    Melky
    Rodriguez
    Cano
    Swisher
    Granderson
    Tex
    Martin
    Gardner

  20. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..XILZ1yZMdP

    One executive who used to guarantee Montero could not catch in the majors saw him play recently and said: “He’s better than I thought. He certainly is better than John Jaso.

    Who knew that “experts” could be wrong?
    _________________________________________

    God forbid we don’t bring up Montero in a thread

  21. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Seems like the Dodgers picked up Abreu.

  22. RadioKev May 4th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Melky is now a .300 hitter. He finished top 10 in TB’s in 2011.
    ————-

    One year does not a career make.

  23. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Bret:

    I think Betances in the pen would be worse with his control issues. Had 6 BBs last night.

  24. Bret The Hitman May 4th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    He’s 12th in hits in all of MLB in 2012. So he’s chalking up year 2. And he always got big hits for the Yankees. If he’s buzzing around .300 at the deadline, he should be a target because the lineup desperately needs a jumpstart.

  25. Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    I think Betances in the pen would be worse with his control issues. Had 6 BBs last night.

    —————————————————————————–

    Was he pitching in cold weather?

  26. Bret The Hitman May 4th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Tack,

    Well we don’t know what his conversion would entail. Would the Yankees scrap one or more of his pitches? What would be their plan to simplify him? How would simplification affect his go-to pitch(es)? How would simplification impact his confidence? Would he see an uptick in velocity? Would that uptick make him effectively wild?

    Leaving him as a starter does not solve anything.

  27. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Bret:

    His main problem is not his pitches, its his mechanics. He just can’t seem to repeat his delivery, so I don’t know if converting him to a releiver is gonna solve that either

  28. bruceb May 4th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I disagree that Robertson should be the closer, even if his performances have earned him the right. We all know there is a world of difference between pitching the 8th and 9th innings. Soriano has already proven he can do that job; he’s paid to do that job; so now is the time to let him go out there and earn his money. This is his chance to follow in the footsteps of a great Yankee and become a pitcher worthy of wearing the pinstripes.

  29. Bret The Hitman May 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Tack,

    But would an uptick in velocity, a boost in confidence, and a simpler arsenal impact his mechanics? Could he be Armando Benitez at the very least or Kyle Farnsworth? I’d rather see him end up like an effectively wild reliever than like Andrew Brackman.

  30. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Not sure about Soriano. I know he has closed before, but closing here in NY is alot different than closing in TB and Atlanta, where the pressure isn’t anywhere near as great. Does he have the mentality and the stomach for it here? Not sure.

  31. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Saw on twitter that Campos went on the DL. Anyone know what happened to him?

  32. darbodla May 4th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Robertson’s words above did not exactly exude the supreme confidence one would want to see in a closer.

    “I don’t know if I’m prepared to do it or not.”

    “I’m not going to be able to go out there and do exactly what he does and get outs real quickly. I’m a different style pitcher. I’ve never done it.”

    I also think Robertson walks could be problematic; coming in with with runners on base in the 9th is a far cry from coming in to start the 8th. Good luck David, you’re going to need it.

  33. muwarriorsfan May 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    This franchise is deteriorating rapidly.

    How do you stem that tide?

    Things will get really ugly if Montero proves he’s an OK catcher who can hit.

  34. bruceb May 4th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Tackleberry:

    Right now, I have a lot more confidence in Robertson than Soriano. But seeing as we signed another closer when general opinion was that we didn’t one, let’s at least put that money to good use now. If he fails, he fails, but if he was pitching for any other team right now, he’d be their closer.

  35. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Saw on twitter that Campos went on the DL. Anyone know what happened to him?

    Mourning.

  36. sunny615 May 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    No thanks on Melky. Last thing you want to do is trade a middling IF like Nunez for a middling OF like Melky. If you want to reinvigorate the offense, you could do a lot better than Melky Cabrera. The team is what it is at the moment and the DL list will hopefully end here. Gardy will be back in a few days and Swish in a week. Taking a wrecking ball to the team seems a little overreactionary. The rotation will (hopefully) get a boost next week with the return of Pettitte (tho I anticipate a few rocky outings as he gets his feet wet again). Pettitte will take Phelps’ spot and Hughes will probably get a few more chances. After that tho, I’m betting the Yanks will take fliers on Phelps and Mitchell getting chances. Nova will hopefully continue his improvement and start preventing big hits. After that – you can only hope Cano, Arod and Tex will get going – They’re probably pressing… it should break sooner or later. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

  37. sunny615 May 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    B and B are in the minors to work on their control issues. They’re not ready. Probably another late season call up if the need arises.

  38. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    I think DJ Mitchell should be given a fair shot at 6th inning type role. His ability to get ground balls could make him an effective weapon out of the pen. Last night he was unusually wild, getting falling behind to a hot hitter like MOustakis, but he got a ground ball. UNfortunately it found the hole.

  39. RadioKev May 4th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am
    I think DJ Mitchell should be given a fair shot at 6th inning type role. His ability to get ground balls could make him an effective weapon out of the pen. Last night he was unusually wild, getting falling behind to a hot hitter like MOustakis, but he got a ground ball. UNfortunately it found the hole.
    —————

    I think Mitchell should remain a long man so we don’t entirely waste his development as a starter. I think Hughes will be in the pen soon enough now, and he’ll have his inning.

  40. Hassey May 4th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    I wish I could think of something appropriate from Confucius, but he never waxed poetic about baseball. I think the Yankees bullpen can overcome this on a baseball level, but the team as a whole? It sure seems like the wheels are falling off the cart and we are now sparking all the way down the highway….

  41. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    In terms of morale this is a huge hit, and one of the worst things that can happen to a Yankee team (Outside of like…CC going down). In game terms, Mo is still a reliever so they only need to cover 60 innings. I’m sure the 3-4 relievers that end up rotating in / being traded for / picked off the waiver wire can combine to approximate close to Mo’s output, but it will not be anything like the kind of consistency the Yankees have enjoyed.

    They are going to be playing a lot more russian roulette with the bullpen. The best move would be to use Soriano for the easy saves and Robertson in the high leverage/difficult saves.

  42. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    In terms of morale this is a huge hit, and one of the worst things that can happen to a Yankee team (Outside of like…CC going down).

    —————–

    Dude….bite your tongue!

  43. Benny Blanco May 4th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    CC will pitch a complete game tonight.

  44. yanks 27 May 4th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    The worst part that is with how streaky this offense is, plus their underwhelming pitching, we’ll be playing/in position to win a lot of closer games than we have in the past.

    Girardi no longer has the luxury of bringing in Logan with a 5 run lead in Fenway but having MO in reserve.

  45. Game of Inches May 4th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    I hate to say it, but maybe this is the kick in the ass the team – especially the offense – needs.

    Sometimes I think they just run on cruise control thinking everything will be OK & get done somehow.

  46. mick May 4th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    drob to rescue.

  47. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    you may be right. Maybe they will dedicate the rest of the season to Mo and play witha chip on their shoulders now

  48. Mike_Boston May 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    It says so much about Mo, the human being, that in probably his darkest professional hour, he chooses to stay with the team because THEY might need his guidance and presence.

    He’s simply the best there ever was in every possible way…

  49. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    I hate to say it, but maybe this is the kick in the ass the team – especially the offense – needs.

    I don’t really buy this. Its going to be a struggle and the team has to play. They didn’t seem all that fired up yesterday in terms of production. Though A-rod seemed more animated than normal.

  50. Hassey May 4th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Tackel – Emotion should give a short term adrenaline rush, but I don’t think there’s a big enough chip out there that can correct most of our lineup’s shortcomings. With or without Mo, Cano will eventually start to hit (even though his month-long sabbaticals kills us), but what else do you see any chip changing?

  51. mick May 4th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    This isn’t football it’s baseball.
    It’s a long, long season.
    Not a quarter or a set of downs.
    The team is what it is.
    Mo’s going down , more likely, will depress them even more than they appear to be now.
    Wait for Drob’s 1st blown save…watch this blog implode.

  52. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    “In game terms, Mo is still a reliever so they only need to cover 60 innings.”

    More like 45-50 innings at this point.

  53. mick May 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Hopefully, Andy will give us a lift.

  54. Hassey May 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    what a story this would be if D-Rob comes in and saves 40 games a year for the next 10 years

  55. ac1 May 4th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Wait, did i just read that Campos is going to the DL now too?
    So Pineda AND Campos now on the DL.
    Ok this is just getting ridiculous now….

  56. charlestonchew May 4th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Alex looked like he looked in 2007 at the plate in that final at-bat. Calm and ready to mash any 100mph fastball Broxton threw his way. Put together a fantastic at-bat considering the despicable call on strike 2. I think this team comes out today and scores 15+ runs, allows 0 in an absolute outburst.

    This team is going to wake up. And Robertson is going to transition to the bullpen without a problem. He already pitches like a closer and is often used for more difficult hitters than MO is just by virtue of the weird idea that closers pitch the 9th regardless of who is batting in the 8th.

    Not to mention that Robertson is current a better pitcher than Mo. I love Mo to death and it breaks my heart to see him injured this way. The only silver lining is that Robertson might be the best reliever in baseball. I’ll take my chances with him closing. Soriano needs to find some fire because he pitches like he simply couldn’t care less about what he’s doing out there. If Joe makes him the closer, I will be infinitely disappointed in his leadership. Robertson is the only logical answer.

  57. charlestonchew May 4th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    *transition to closer

  58. darbodla May 4th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    The team needs to pull together and for it’s “name brands” to lead by example. But does anyone look like he cares less than Teixeira and his .227 BA and .276 OBP? That’s what a $22.5 million dollar deal with a no-trade will do for some players I’m afriad. You know his stock answer when a reporter sticks a mic in his face, “look at the back of my baseball card.”

  59. blake May 4th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    “The best move would be to use Soriano for the easy saves and Robertson in the high leverage/difficult saves.”

    absolutely….but there is no way Girardi will do that…..Robertson will the the 9th inning guy and Soriano will be the 8th inning guy and I have no idea who will be the 6th and 7th inning guys……

  60. blake May 4th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    I predict Mo signs a 1 million dollar contract for 2013 to come back and finish on his terms…..I just can’t see him going out like this….I do think he was going to retire…but a big reason why IMO was because he wanted to do it on his terms and still on top….this threw a wrench in that.

  61. mick May 4th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Don’t rush Andy or you will see a real letdown…

  62. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I’m worried this is going to accelerate Hughes to the bullpen, but there isn’t really much in the way of reinforcements bullpen wise. I think they can get by with Wade as the 7th inning guy. Eppley can be the new Ayala.

  63. mick May 4th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    The team needs to pull together and for it’s “name brands” to lead by example. But does anyone look like he cares less than Teixeira and his .227 BA and .276 OBP?
    ===========================
    Tex has become Giambi with a glove…except Giambi got a clutch hit now and then.

  64. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Just looking for opinions.

    Who would you rather have as our #5 as of now.

    Hughes or Phelps ?

    I’d like to the reason(s) for your choice.

    TIA

  65. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    ac1 May 4th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Wait, did i just read that Campos is going to the DL now too?
    So Pineda AND Campos now on the DL.
    Ok this is just getting ridiculous now….

    ——————–

    Speechless.

  66. mick May 4th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I predict Mo signs a 1 million dollar contract for 2013 to come back and finish on his terms…..I just can’t see him going out like this…
    ======================
    Will there be a clause stating no BP CF adventures?

  67. bruceb May 4th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Boy, right now I wish we still had Ayala and Maxwell. How quickly a baseball team’s resources can be depleted.

  68. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    edit: I’d like to know. Sorry.

  69. blake May 4th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    I think they should give Hughes a little more rope as a starter….see if he can figure it out and be productive….if he can’t and they are unwilling to send him down to rebuild him then they should put him in the set up role. He could still be dominant there IMO and the trio of Soriano/Hughes/Robertson….wouldn’t be as good as what they had….it’d still potentially be very good and even better if somehow Joba made it back for the stretch run.

  70. mick May 4th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Hughes or Phelps ?

    I’d like to the reason(s) for your choice.
    =========================
    Joe will give them both another start and if Phil fails, he could be the 7th or even 8th inning man.

  71. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    “I predict Mo signs a 1 million dollar contract for 2013 to come back and finish on his terms…..I just can’t see him going out like this”

    I’d like to see Mo come back, but I’m somewhat doubtful at this point. He’s 42, it’s a long, painful and difficult rehab, and he won’t be close to 100% when and if he does come back. This way he goes out on top.

  72. Game of Inches May 4th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    And here I thought Andy coming back was a luxury…..

    Now with Mo down his role is even more vital.

    With CC, Nova, Kuroda & Andy pitching well (& hopefully deep into games) it puts less of a strain on the BP, which (although probably the biggest team strength) now has to really step up.

    Give Phelps a shot at #5, he earned it last night (no worse than Garcia or Hughes have been). If not him, then DJ Mitchell. What the hell, it’s a 5 spot.

    I think any thoughts of sending Hughes to AAA just vanished – welcome to the 7th inning, Phil.

    Now either Robertson & Soriano have to step up for the EIG/closer role – maybe you revolve the spot based on high leverage, low leverage situation.

    It still comes down to the offense producing like it’s supposed to – if ARod, Tex & Cano have down years (especially if ARod & Tex are symptoms of a more permanent decline) than the team, at best, is going to make it a lot harder on itself to grab a playoff spot this year.

  73. blake May 4th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “Who would you rather have as our #5 as of now”

    honestly it just depends on who pitches better….if Phelps pitches as good as Hughes then I’d go with him because he’s got 6 years left of team control and because Hughes could really help them in the bullpen.

  74. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Blake-

    Your forgetting Aardsma.

    If he is healthy he has a very good power arm.

    He could help too later on.

    ;)

  75. Chip May 4th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Curious how many people are blaming Girardi/Cashman for letting Mo shag fly balls

    I think Soriano should be the closer over Robertson to start – see if he can return to the form he had as a closer for the Rays. Then you have an allstar set up guy and all star closer.

  76. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    It’s better to burn out than to fade away?

  77. mick May 4th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    If MO planned on going out after this year then why would he do an ego-driven thing like making a comeback.
    If he really wants out, in fact , he knew a few years back when he signed his last contract that this was it.

  78. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    So it sounds like most of you think that both Hughes and Phelps will get at least one more start and winner takes all.

    I’m pretty much down with that.

    Thanks.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “God forbid we don’t bring up Montero in a thread”

    Thought the same thing as soon as I saw it. :D

    Well though life outside is sure unpredictable, in here it is entirely predictable.

    Doom and gloom from the doom and gloomers, Yankee trashing from the troll trashers, general whining from the whiners, and overall hopefulness from everyone else – and thankfully, that is the vast majority. Yay for that!

    MTU – your tribute photos were astoundingly beautiful. I took a lot of meaning from them because Mo is so in tune with the ultimate creator of that beauty.

    I disagree with anyone who said the season is over. To me, the season of our Yankees officially began when Mo went down. This is not a team of pansies. I look forward to the transition that I know is coming.

    GO YANKEES!!!!!

    Great day, all. Mo is alive, and he will heal. And to borrow from Conan – HE’LL BE BACK!!!!!

    :)

  80. blake May 4th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “He’s 42, it’s a long, painful and difficult rehab, and he won’t be close to 100% when and if he does come back”

    it just depends on if he wants to or not…..he could probably come back close to 100% if he wanted to….Jamie Moyer rehabbed TJS and came back at 49…..just depends on what he wants…..

  81. raymagnetic May 4th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Tex wishes he was Giambi at this point.

    Even when Giambi was bad he was never as bad as Tex has been recently. Look at Giambi’s last few years with the Yanks. The BA doesn’t bother me but the OBP is putrid.

    Anyway, losing Mo won’t impact the team nearly as much as some people think it will. 50 innings just really isn’t a lot of innings in the grand scheme of things.

  82. Chip May 4th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    If the Yankees hadn’t traded Montero he could have DH’ed and closed out games now that Rivera’s hurt.

  83. Game of Inches May 4th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    I think Mo was at peace with this year being his last.

    Except I don’t think we wants to go out on a golf cart. I think the greatest closer ever wants some real closure.

    And only for the team, not for himself.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am
    Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..XILZ1yZMdP

    One executive who used to guarantee Montero could not catch in the majors saw him play recently and said: “He’s better than I thought. He certainly is better than John Jaso.

    Who knew that “experts” could be wrong?
    _________________________________________

    God forbid we don’t bring up Montero in a thread
    ///

    Listening to Joel Sherman wake up and smell the coffee on the Trade is sickening.

    Hey Joe Genius, you’re only about four months late with that revelation.

  85. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    If the Yankees hadn’t traded Montero he could have DH’ed and closed out games now that Rivera’s hurt.

    If they didn’t trade Montero this sequence of events never happens because Jayson Nix won’t be hitting a stupid flyball to the track in Kansas City, and Mo lives.

    If Skynet were a Yankee fan he’d be sending terminators back to January 13th.

  86. blake May 4th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “I think Soriano should be the closer over Robertson to start – see if he can return to the form he had as a closer for the Rays. Then you have an allstar set up guy and all star closer.”

    personally I don’t think he can….I think 2010 was the Rays horseshoe up their butt with relievers thing and I don’t think he is that good or will probably ever be that good again…..but I would close him probably at times (if they have bigger leads) just to keep Robertson available to get out of jams if need be.

    I don’t blame anybody for Rivera getting hurt.,….he’s been doing that for 20 years and it just was a freak thing that happened…..it sucks but it’s nobody’s fault

  87. 86w183 May 4th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I also don’t see him coming back at age 43. That’s a lot to overcome at any age, let alone such an advanced age.

    He’s not going out on his terms, but he is going out on top and there’s something symmetrical about # 42 retiring at age 42 with 42 career post-season saves.

    I’d go with Robertson and move Hughes to the pen once Andy comes back.

  88. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “t just depends on if he wants to or not…..he could probably come back close to 100% if he wanted to….Jamie Moyer rehabbed TJS and came back at 49…..just depends on what he wants…..”

    Sure, blake, he could do it. But, he’s a very different pitcher from Moyer, and he is old. I guess we’ll see but I’m not getting my hopes up. As far as I’m concerned it’s the Robertson Era until I learn otherwise.

  89. Game of Inches May 4th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am
    Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..XILZ1yZMdP

    One executive who used to guarantee Montero could not catch in the majors saw him play recently and said: “He’s better than I thought. He certainly is better than John Jaso.

    Who knew that “experts” could be wrong?
    _________________________________________

    God forbid we don’t bring up Montero in a thread
    ///

    Listening to Joel Sherman wake up and smell the coffee on the Trade is sickening.

    Hey Joe Genius, you’re only about four months late with that revelation.

    _____________________________________________

    And now Campos is DL’ed too? SMH

    Just gets better & better.

  90. darbodla May 4th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Glad Mo got 600 last year.

  91. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    “I disagree with anyone who said the season is over. To me, the season of our Yankees officially began when Mo went down. This is not a team of pansies. I look forward to the transition that I know is coming.”

    Well surely Cano, ARod and Tex can’t keep on hitting the way they are now. But the Yanks have been sleepwalking through an easy part of their schedule and they need to wake up before they are 10 games back of the Rays.

  92. Game of Inches May 4th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    If the Yankees hadn’t traded Montero he could have DH’ed and closed out games now that Rivera’s hurt.

    If they didn’t trade Montero this sequence of events never happens because Jayson Nix won’t be hitting a stupid flyball to the track in Kansas City, and Mo lives.

    If Skynet were a Yankee fan he’d be sending terminators back to January 13th.

    _________________________________

    Heh :)

  93. darbodla May 4th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    So after that bad call on A-Rod in the 9th when he argued a bit, better half turns to me and asked this.

    “If A-Rod hit a home run on the next pitch and cursed at the umpire leaving the box and was thrown out of the game before rounding the bases. Home run wouldn’t count?”

  94. Chip May 4th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    blake May 4th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    I don’t blame anybody for Rivera getting hurt.,….he’s been doing that for 20 years and it just was a freak thing that happened…..it sucks but it’s nobody’s fault
    ————————–

    I agree – but never let it be said that logic rules the day on Lohud – I’m sure we’ll hear from Randy about how this should be the final straw for Cashman.

  95. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    “I agree – but never let it be said that logic rules the day on Lohud – I’m sure we’ll hear from Randy about how this should be the final straw for Cashman.”

    I was waiting for the “blame Cashman” brigade to explain it all to us.

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    RadioKev May 4th, 2012 at 9:36 am
    Melky is now a .300 hitter. He finished top 10 in TB’s in 2011.
    ————-

    One year does not a career make.
    ///

    Anyone who watched Cabrera as a Yankee could have predicted he had a bat. Sorry, only the folks invested in him as a “loser” would fail to see what was there.

    Alex Rodriguez, George Brett, and Robinson Cano have all attested to how good his bat is. Bill Massey, his one-time manager, once predicted he’d win a batting title.

    The guy didn’t just hit .300 last year, he did it from BOTH sides of the plate. There was a thing on MLB where they were showing Giants BP, and the commentator remarked that Cabrera’s teammates always comment with admiration on Cabrera’s ablity to have such a level, true swing that is almost identical from both sides of the plate.

    The Melky sucks meme, the Melky is a 4th OF meme, was made up by impatient, clueless Yankee fans who couldn’t see he was brought up too early and missed an important developmental phase in the minors, especially being a switch hitter. He’s an excellent curveball hitter and is a very good situational hitter. Think the Yankees couldn’t have used him? Rodriguez “begged” them to sign him, but they chose not to.

    I can only think what this order might look like with Melky and Jesus Montero in it. Even if they had them in the lower third, lower third and it would be good times with youth, bat speed, situation hitting and once again, the circular lineup Cashman just threw away.

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “If they didn’t trade Montero this sequence of events never happens because Jayson Nix won’t be hitting a stupid flyball to the track in Kansas City, and Mo lives.”

    Others, like Mo himself, think this is part of a plan by someone much bigger than Montero (I know you can’t imagine anyone being bigger and mightier than Montero – but some actually are!)

    How exactly do you know that Jayson Nix wouldn’t be hitting a flyball to the track in Kansas City? No other confluence of events could have caused that same thing? That might be the most ludicrous statement I’ve seen you make on this forum.

    ************

    Whether Mo comes back or doesn’t remains to be seen.

    The Yankees have a season to play. That’s what counts right now.

  98. MattR May 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Long time Cardinals fan, but Mariano Rivera has always been one of my favorite non-Cardinal players ever.

    In 2001, I made my one and only trip to the old Yankee Stadium. I wanted to see/witness four things that day – Monument Park, Bob Shepherd’s voice, Mariano Rivera entering the game to Enter Sandman, and Sinatra singing at the end of a Yankees win.

    Things were looking grim on the final two until Bernie Williams hit a go-ahead HR in the 8th inning to give the Yankees a one run lead over Rays. Mariano promptly began warming up in the bullpen. A few minutes later, Metallica started the intro. Greatest intro of all time…Tom Emanski would be of no help to the left – handed hitting Fred McGriff on that day.

    Got to witness all four things on my list on that hot Saturday.

    Tip of the hat to the greatest closer of all time. Hope he comes back from this injury.

  99. Tackelberry May 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    trisha:

    YOu catch alot of flack here but to me you are a breath of fresh air between all the Montero whiners and Cashman bashers and doomsayers here. Season is far from over. We’ll see what this ballclub is made of.

  100. jmv May 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Hi, everyone. I don’t remember a sadder day at Yankee world. I know that we can survive without Mo, but no team is better without him as a person, as a teammate, as a closer.
    If he’s out for the season, he’ll be back next year, al least for half a season. He won’t finish this way

  101. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Trisha-

    I’m glad you enjoyed the Mo tribute.

    You saw it as I intended it.

  102. 86w183 May 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Blake —

    You’ve got to be kidding me! It’s Cashman’s fault Mariano got hurt.

  103. jmv May 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    MattR,

    Thanks for your kind words. You are always welcome here, at least for me.

  104. jmv May 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Hi. MTU!

    You made a new Mo’s tribute? Where can I find it?

  105. Howe Farr May 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    If they didn’t trade Montero this sequence of events never happens because Jayson Nix won’t be hitting a stupid flyball to the track in Kansas City, and Mo lives.
    _______________________________________________________________–

    OR, if they would have kept Montero, he would have been catching the 9th inning of a game earlier on this year for the yankees. With the Yankees up by 1 and 2 outs with a runner on 3rd, Montero would have had a passed ball. They run would have scored and tied the game, the game would have lasted in the wee hours of the night with the Yankees catching a flight at 4 in the morning. A mechanic on that flight is sleep deprived and forgets to tighten a screw. 5 minutes after takeoff, the plane crashes and all the yankees die.

    How is skynet gonna fix that?

  106. BIG AL May 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    MTU -

    I’d prefer Phelps because I feel he’ll be more consistent than Hughes, give up less runs, thus giving the team a beeter shot at winning.

    In his first ML start Phelps was trying too hard, by his own statement. He had a large group of family and friends at the game, and just lost site of keeping within himself. I believe future starts will be much better, with lower pitch counts.

    As you are aware, I’m a big fan of Hughes, but sadly I think his time with the club is nearing an end, which is sad given his talent.

  107. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Others, like Mo himself, think this is part of a plan by someone much bigger than Montero (I know you can’t imagine anyone being bigger and mightier than Montero – but some actually are!)

    How exactly do you know that Jayson Nix wouldn’t be hitting a flyball to the track in Kansas City? No other confluence of events could have caused that same thing? That might be the most ludicrous statement I’ve seen you make on this forum.

    Mo’s belief in a higher power is surely one of his defining features, and it looks like he draws a lot of strength from it, but thats not for me and I don’t really believe in that (or karma). I do believe in cause and effect though, and the reason Jayson Nix is probably not hitting that flyball right that moment in Kansas City if they don’t trade Montero is because the entire DH & bench situation would be changed. It would be an entirely new time line. Mo could get hurt in any of the time lines, but until they are observed its merely probable. In our time line Mo was hurt and that can’t be changed (Until we invent time travel).

    Its exactly like the moves that cashman made resulted in Hughes going to the bullpen in 2009 and Joba in 2007/2008. Had different moves been made, Joba or Hughes might be better positioned now than they were. Lots of little things add up to 1 big thing.

  108. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    How is skynet gonna fix that?

    Send more terminators. There is always a risk in creating divergent timelines, but we all we KNOW is that Mo is 100% hurt in ours. The plane crash is only a probability (and a small one at that).

  109. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    jmv-

    Previous thread. You’ll see it. let me know if you don’t and I’ll repost it.

    It has exactly 42 photos.

    Enjoy.

    ;)

  110. DONNYBROOK May 4th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Robertson Should be the Closer. When that position is open, the guy chuckin’ the best should get it. This aint the Long Shoreman’s Union where seniority reigns supreme, or that guy that “coulda been a contender” gets the spot cause he is “in” with Girardi. Robertson’s performances of late vs MO’s, reminded me of MO’s early days when he was preceeding Wetteland. The pupil had advanced beyond the teacher back then, and the same had happened here. Mo going down is certainly sad, but it aint like he got killed. Once Pettitte comes back, Hughes goes to the Pen and gets 7th Inning duty, Soriano the 8th, and Robertson the Save Opportunities. As for last night, you leave 10 guys on base, and you got nobody to blame but yourself for the Loss. A-Rod continues to come up Snake Eyes in the 9th, with the tieing or winning runs on base.

  111. jmv May 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Thx, MTU!

    I’ll catch it later at home, and let you know

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    ike_Boston May 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    It says so much about Mo, the human being, that in probably his darkest professional hour, he chooses to stay with the team because THEY might need his guidance and presence.

    He’s simply the best there ever was in every possible way…
    ///

    Yes, he is. His glass is always full, so I don’t waste time feeling “sorry” for him. I pray for him, and I feel “sorry” for us, who’ll miss seeing him. I hope he decides, after his rehab, to come through that swinging bullpen door a few more times. But, it’s up to him.

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Bronx Jeers,

    Beautiful post about your sleep deprived night. I hear you.

  114. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Al-

    Thanks for your take.

    I’m fine with a 1 game pitch-off.

    I just hope they give Phelps another shot because I agree that he did not stay within himself.

    I think he offers more than Hughes at this point in terms of stuff and consistency.

    If it were me in an ideal world I’d send Hughes down to AAA and tell him he doesn’t come back until he has a viable 3rd pitch, and can throw any pitch in any count for a strike.

    Knowing the Yankees as we do if Hughes loses the competition to Phelps they will probably just stick him in the Pen.

    If that happens his career as a Yankee SP is over and I think that would be a waste.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    J Al – I believe the Yankees traded Melky because they saw him as a distraction to Robby and they valued Robby more. I personally was sick that they traded Melky away. He and Robby are the ones who breathed life into this team when they needed it the most. And I’ll never forget the catch he made to rob Manny the Needle of a home run in Yankee Stadium. And also the day he hit for the cycle.

    I always say that you can never know that what a player does outside of the Bronx would be replicated inside of the Bronx. But I can say I sure would have loved to know with Melky. We knew what we had in the field and at the plate because we saw it.

    :(

  116. jmv May 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Soriano as EIG is going to cause headaches… But it’s the logical move

    //////

    Phepls have looked better than Phil and Mitchell, no doubt. Right now, I agree with Phelps at SP5 and Phil at the 7th

  117. Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Thought the same thing as soon as I saw it.

    Well though life outside is sure unpredictable, in here it is entirely predictable.

    ————————————————————————-

    Trisha,

    Sorry but this is not same old same old Montero talk. This is an executive admitting he was wrong about Montero and admitting what many of us thought here that Montero could be good enough to catch.

    You like to bring up all these experts who said we won the trade but fall silent when they say something that you don’t agree with. Then they are called mediots

  118. BIG AL May 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    MTU -

    With Hughes it isn’t about having the ability to throw strikes, it’s about location. Hughes has good stuff right now, but even CC can’t live in the middle of the plate up, but, that’s the pitches that Hughes throws that get him hit hard. ML hitters will kill pitchers that throw middle up in the zone.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    And now Campos is DL’ed too? SMH

    Just gets better & better.
    ///

    That is very unfortunate. He’s only in A-ball, so plenty of time to heal. It could be minor and they don’t want to take any chances. Haven’t heard the details on that.

  120. G. Love May 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Save the stupidity and the conspiracy theories for something else.

    Mo is 42. We’ve been blessed to have him out there on top of his game for as long as we have.

    I mean, let’s be realistic; Every year people worried it was going to be his last. We knew were stealing moments from Father times these past few.

    It’s a tragic loss. My favorite Yankee can’t play and might not play ever again.

    That doesn’t mean it’s cause to blame Cashman, Girardi, Montero or Jason Nix like one particular lunatic did last night before back tracking when everyone called this particular lunatic out for that.

    We’ve had Mo for so long we became greedy. We were all hoping he’d finish the season and say “3 more years”.

    For whatever reason, we’ve lost him for now. If he comes back, I know it will only happen if he can be himself.

    If he doesn’t come back we still got to watch one of the best players every to throw a ball for a very long time.

    The team will miss him. The fans will miss him. Baseball is going to miss him.

    That said, we were all lucky to have him for as long as we did on the field firing bullets like the hand of God touched his right arm.

    I hope we get another chance to see him be the Mo we’ve all known, but if we don’t life goes on. This team needed a wakeup call. They’re boring, with few exceptions, lifeless and playing mediocre baseball almost night in night out.

    If any good can come of this it’s that something like this reminds some of the over privileged pampered millionaires that your time in this game is short, so make the most of it and play with pride and play to win while you still can.

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “YOu catch alot of flack here but to me you are a breath of fresh air between all the Montero whiners and Cashman bashers and doomsayers here. Season is far from over. We’ll see what this ballclub is made of.”

    Tackleberry – thanks! Every once-in-a-while it feels good to hear that.

    :)

  122. yanks 27 May 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    If this had happened last year, we could have signed Papelbon and kept Montero

  123. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Losing someone like Mariano is never a good thing but that is an area of our team that is a big strength.

    We have an excellent chance of being able to bounce back from it and fill the void with guys like D-Rob, Soriano, Aardsma, Joba, and possibly Hughes as well as others.

    Just be glad we’re not the Sux.

    Their DL looks like the aftermath of an F5 tornado.

    And the Rays can’t be too happy losing their best hitter for 2 months.

    Sad as it it is it could actually be even worse.

  124. qiantom May 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Season over. The only strength of the team was bullpen and it becomes a weakness as Mariano went down.

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Triple – I guess I’m just saying that maybe today isn’t the day to bring it up. If it has value, it gets lost in all of the other stuff about Mo and the team. Maybe a few days from now will be a good time to talk about it. I agree your input wasn’t just more of the same pouring it on.

  126. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    The Nix stuff is way out there especially coming from someone that I consider a staunch pragmatist.

    Maybe the a shoe factory worker in southeast Asia sneezed while she was stitching the cleat Mo was wearing. What about the groundskeeper whose job it was to take care of the warning track? Maybe he took a cell phone call just as he was raking that square foot of dirt. Who threw the pitch that Nix hit? What if it was thrown another half inch inside?

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Trisha,

    Sorry but this is not same old same old Montero talk. This is an executive admitting he was wrong about Montero and admitting what many of us thought here that Montero could be good enough to catch.

    You like to bring up all these experts who said we won the trade but fall silent when they say something that you don’t agree with. Then they are called mediots
    ///

    I don’t care what the “executive” says. I saw enough of Montero to see he was negotiable enough as a catcher. That “executive” probably trashed his catching skills in the first place because he was a Yankee, and guaranteed, he didn’t see him catch as often as some of us ‘spects’ followers have. Now that he’s not a Yankee,this unnamed “executive” has some ‘whoops, I take that back” moment to put the kid’s defense in a good light. But hey – the Yankees agreed with his phony first take of “expertise,” and never gave him a chance.

    So two peas in a pod, I guess.

  128. BIG AL May 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I think moving DRob into the closer spot is going to create new problems. The reason I believe this is because the majority of times, the EIG faces the middle of the order, in game on the line situations more often than the closer. More games are saved by DRob doing his job setting up, and I’d rather he stay there, and move Soriano into Mo’s spot, for now.

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    G. Love – your post really touched the deepest part of my emotions.

    Beautifully said.

  130. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    JAP-

    The mlb package is only $99. You could watch the Mariners every day.

  131. BIG AL May 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    The horse is dead already, please stop beating him!

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Have a good day gang. Life goes on and we’ll be here to continue to cheer our team on. I believe they will continue to give us their best (even when you don’t believe they are).

    Men, not machines.

    Later.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    yanks 27 May 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
    If this had happened last year, we could have signed Papelbon and kept Montero
    ///

    I need a pail.

  134. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Al-

    That’s partly true. Command has been a big problem but he definitely needs an effective third pitch.

    If he had that it would help make everything else better IMO.

    Even if the FB and the curve were perfect, which they are certainly not, he’d just be a better version of AJ Burnett.

    ML pitchers do not usually get by with even 2 plus pitches.

    As Hughes is right now he profiles better out of the pen.

    He needs that 3rd pitch and the only place he’s gonna learn it is in the Minors.

    If he falls out I think they’ll just shoot him over to the pen especially because a greater need has now developed.

  135. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    The Nix stuff is way out there especially coming from someone that I consider a staunch pragmatist.

    You know Joba possibly hurt his shoulder because I-rod was catching and threw a ball right at him that made him have to dive in the dirt. In hindsight getting I-rod wasn’t a good move. It was unavoidable without hindsight though, but its interesting to see the kinetic chain of decision making.

    This year that chain seems to be one explosion after another for the Yankees.

  136. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    “He needs that 3rd pitch and the only place he’s gonna learn it is in the Minors.”

    He could get by if he could just locate his two pitches where he wanted them consistently.

    But Hughes is only a Yank for another 1 year, 6 months anyway. Send him to the bullpen. He could be useful there.

  137. MTU May 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    New thread —–>

  138. BIG AL May 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    MTU -

    You’re most likely correct. If Andy comes up, and pitches well, I see Hughes going to the BP, and Phelps getting the #5 spot.

    Remember just a short while ago we had a problem of too many SP’s?

  139. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    And thanks Lovesong. It’s been a surreal last 18 hours hasn’t it?

  140. BIG AL May 4th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Later folks, Y’all have a great day.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am
    J Al – I believe the Yankees traded Melky because they saw him as a distraction to Robby and they valued Robby more. I personally was sick that they traded Melky away. He and Robby are the ones who breathed life into this team when they needed it the most. And I’ll never forget the catch he made to rob Manny the Needle of a home run in Yankee Stadium. And also the day he hit for the cycle.

    I always say that you can never know that what a player does outside of the Bronx would be replicated inside of the Bronx. But I can say I sure would have loved to know with Melky. We knew what we had in the field and at the plate because we saw it.

    ///

    I’ve really had just about enough of the Robi/Melky angle. By that logic, Cano is a complete stooge who can’t think for himself, and Melky gets credit for Cano’s season where he hit .342. Hey – maybe Robi was corrupting Melky? I’m joking, of course.

    I wish Alex were the Yankee GM or owner. There are certain guys these two management people just don’t like.

  142. UnKnown May 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Betsy May 4th, 2012 at 8:20 am
    Who cares what SJ thinks? The guy has already jumped off half the bridges in the world. Maybe the season is over or maybe it’s not, but he’s perfectly free to stop watching games. He’s an embarrassment and why people post his stuff here as if he’s anymore important than anyone else is beyond me.

    ——

    Because when he was posting on here regularly a lot of people would hang on his every word. Not saying you specifically Betsy, but the majority did. Even now that he has not posted here in a long time people wonder what SJ would think about this or that from time to time.

    Well he is a fraud. With that said I am bored with his comedic twitter timeline on a daily basis. But I wanted to point out how foolish people were for actually thinking he had a clue.

  143. UnKnown May 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    G. Love May 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    ——

    Awesome Post

  144. BD (Boston Dave) May 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Yeah, the trade of Montero caused this.

    If it were that easy, maybe the Yankees would have Matt Kemp, Kershaw, Bryce Harper and more if Jerkface’s parents didn’t conceive him. Maybe that mistake led to the Red Sox winning in 2004 and 2007.

    You are a disgrace JF. People upset about Mariano and all you can do is spew garbage.

    Typical scumbag.

  145. Jerkface May 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Chillax, BD. The scumbag here is you.

  146. PittsburghYankeeFan May 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    What a way to end the career of one of the greats of all time. They will be talking about this 100 years from now. Who knows, maybe he rehabs and comes back for another season–adding to the legends.

    For the Yankees, it means DRob is the closer. He can handle it. Soriano is the 8th inning. Hughes is the 7th inning–sorry Phil, you simply suck as a starter, and the club needs you until it figures out if Joba is completely toast.

    Front 5 are CC, Kuroda, Pettitte, Nova, and Phelps/Freddy. Unlikely to win more than 90-92 games with this mess. If Cano can’t step it up, they will be even worse.

    Tough luck–it happens. If Mo is out for the season, do they get his salary off of the CBA limit?

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Pittsburgh,

    We have no idea if it’s the end of his career.

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    btw, tell your guy Shero he’d better lose ideas about dealing away Staal, if he wants to win next year.

  149. PittsburghYankeeFan May 4th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    JAP

    Torn ACL at age 42? I’d love for him to come back, but realistically this could be it.

  150. PittsburghYankeeFan May 4th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    JAP

    I’m still getting over my Pens shock. I was at games 1 and 2, cursing Hartnell out (we were right above the visiting players tunnel). They really had the team to win the cup this year, but had too little time to readjust to Crobsy coming back.

    Word on the street is that this CBA is going to be a tough negotiation come the fall, and the NHL season may be delayed (even though they are making us pay for our tickets now).

    Given this, I think Shero holds on to everyone (like he should) for another year. The contracts to the defenseman are what is killing him.

  151. mick May 4th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    how is Mo?

  152. Dill Pickler May 4th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Hey Joe, you might be able to overcome losing Rivera, but can you overcome your black hole middle of the lineup???

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