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Pregame notes: Pettitte returning to Yankees rotation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on May 08, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Fact is, Andy Pettitte’s minor league results haven’t been particularly inspiring. He was good during his early starts in Tampa, but as his pitch count grew, he was knocked around a little bit. Last time out he allowed five runs (three earned) on eight hits through five innings in Triple-A, but the Yankees believe they’ve seen enough.

After one more turn through the rotation — leaving all options open for a corresponding move — Pettitte will return to the big league rotation for Sunday’s series finale against the Mariners.

“At some point, you make a call,” Brian Cashman said. “Especially with veterans, it’s kind of difficult. You’ve seen as you go through the process, there’s only so much you’re going to see at a certain level. It’s not necessarily always performance-related. You have to see stuff, you have to see a lot of different things (including) endurance. Sometimes it’s hard to judge on the results. You’ve seen it at minor-league camp during spring training. They send a guy across the street, you think they’re going to dominate a Double-A team or something like that, and they get whacked. It’s like, ‘Oh my gosh, how does this guy get whacked against a bunch of minor leaguers?’ The intensity, the adrenaline, the focus, it’s all a little bit different. It’s not that someone’s not trying, but it’s just not the same.”

Basically, the Yankees believe Pettitte is as ready as he’s going to get. Cashman acknowledged that there’s another step to take, but he said that will have to come at the major-league level. That said, Cashman said he wouldn’t have made this decision if internal reports weren’t positive.

“There’s still the unknown,” Cashman said. “There’s a gap between what the old Andy Pettitte is and what we’re going to get, I just don’t know yet (what it is). We’re looking forward to adding another healthy arm to the mix here because our depth has been challenged and some of our healthy starters have been inconsistent.”

As for the timing, Pettitte would have been on normal rest for Friday, but the Yankees are going to let every starter make one more start before inserting Pettitte into the mix. That means they could take anyone out of the rotation to open a spot. Ivan Nova starts tonight’s game — Sunday would be his normal day — and David Phelps pitches tomorrow. Phil Hughes will pitch Saturday.

“I’m not saying that anyone’s turn in this rotation is going to determine if they’re in the rotation as we go further,” Girardi said. “I’m not saying that. We have guys that we want to go out and pitch very well, and we’ll make a decision on Sunday who we’re going to take out.”

For now, the only definite decision is who’s stepping in. Pettitte is coming back, and he’ll be here on Sunday.

“I think all of us probably kind of expect that we’re going to see Andy Pettite, what we’re used to seeing,” Girardi said. “A guy that grinds out starts. That has the ability to get double plays. That doesn’t panic out there. I think you can only go back on what you’ve seen from him. It’s not like he’s trying to reinvent himself. I think his stuff is going to be pretty similar to what he had when he walked away in 2010. That’s kind of what I feel. Will I be right? I hope so, but we’ll find out.”

• Cashman was coy in confirming a report that Mariano Rivera encountered some sort of complication when his knee was evaluated yesterday. “It’s something I think Mo can talk to you about when he gets here (tomorrow),” Cashman said.

• Although he wouldn’t give details, Cashman said the complication with Rivera has no impact on his ability to pitch next season. Sounds like, though this is nothing more than a guess, that Rivera discovered some other problem that basically wipes out any slim chance of returning this season. “What he’s got is correctable,” Cashman said. “At a date yet to be scheduled, they’ll have surgery and fix it. He’ll go through the rehab process and we’ll have the player next year.”

• Waiting this long to have ACL surgery is not unusual. “You never see one take place immediately,” Cashman explained. “Usually a week to 10 days after they get the inflammation out, so it’s currently standard procedure on that aspect. He wouldn’t be having surgery by now.”

• Cashman said he has not made a single call trying to trade for a reliever in the wake of Rivera’s injury.

• Pettitte won’t join the team immediately. He can come here to throw bullpens, but he’s not allowed to be a full-time part of the clubhouse until he’s actually on the roster. Cashman said Pettitte will stay at his home in Westchester and will probably workout in White Plains. He’s expected to throw two bullpens between now and Sunday. “He knows exactly what he needs to do to get it done,” Cashman said. “That’s not the issue.”

• Assuming the Yankees dump a starter into the bullpen when Pettitte is activated, Girardi explained that he didn’t want to make that move right away because it would have left the team thin in the bullpen for a few days. That’s part of the reason for letting the rotation go a full turn before adding Pettitte. It lets them keep a full bullpen throughout.

• Brett Gardner will play only one game of today’s Triple-A double header. It’s almost certain he’ll need to play at least one more game and won’t be ready to join the Yankees tomorrow. “I doubt it, but we’ll see,” Girardi said. “We’ll see how he feels as he goes through it.”

• Eric Chavez has to go through some standard concussion tests, but if he comes through those with no problems, he should be back with the team on Thursday.

• Girardi on giving Eduardo Nunez another start in left field: “I wouldn’t put him out there if I didn’t think he could do the job. Nuney’s had a lot of plays out there, and he’s made some good plays as well. I know he had the one play that he misjudged a little bit, but he went back on some balls very well, eh had some tough line drives, he went and ran a ball in the gap, so I feel good about Nuney out there.”

• Craig Tatum has been placed on the Triple-A disabled list. Gustavo Molina was called up from Trenton to replace him on the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre roster.

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99 Responses to “Pregame notes: Pettitte returning to Yankees rotation”

  1. blake May 8th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    “blake, I don’t think it is obvious at all. Before the new CBA came along they signed Soriano, they tried to trade for Lee which would have blown the budget, they really didn’t appear to me to be in a cost-saving mode.”

    Payroll stayed the same though…..they couldn’t reduce without reason…..now they have that reason….I think Hal likes the new CBA…..he didn’t oppose it..

  2. Ys Guy May 8th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    jennings is out for tonight and word is that joyce is sick, though still in the lineup. could be a late scratch, though…

  3. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Odds, which is an odd thing for them since finances are particularly important to them now. You can’t afford to be emotional in sports; Cashman has always said that. At some point, you have to cut ties. I just can’t believe how many HRs Phil gives up.

    —————————

    Cashman has said that but when it comes to Hughes it’s different. He wants him to succeed so bad and we all do because in the end it helps the team. But you can tell when he talks about Phil it’s almost like he’s talking about his son.

  4. Duh Innings May 8th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    The Yanks should get rid of Kuroda.

    I’d rather Hughes or Phelps suck than Kuroda cuz they’ll be on the Yankees next year, Kuroda won’t.

    Sabathia / Nova / Pettitte / Hughes / Phelps

  5. Ys Guy May 8th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    leaving a rotation spot to phelps/mitchell/garcia/whoever is just not going to happen.

  6. Wave Your Hat May 8th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “I think Hal likes the new CBA…..he didn’t oppose it..”

    I don’t think you can tell anything at all by the public stance on the CBA. It was passing with or without the Yanks, so there was no reason to antagonize Bud and the other owners.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    People advocating for Hughes to go into the bullpen after his ST and his last two starts have to be nuts.

  8. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    but how long do you give him?

    ————————

    As long as Cash is here for a while. Think bout it they went to a 6 man rotation for Phil and it threw off their ace who they pay a lot of money too.

  9. Wave Your Hat May 8th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Hughes has been pitching better so he’s staying in the rotation and the junior guy will go to the pen after his next start. You don’t need to be a nuclear physicist to figure that out.

  10. blake May 8th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Wave,

    Its just my feeling….Hal can feel free to prove me wrong.

  11. Ruby Wednesday May 8th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Lots of good info………………..cool.

  12. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Duh Innings May 8th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    The Yanks should get rid of Kuroda.

    I’d rather Hughes or Phelps suck than Kuroda cuz they’ll be on the Yankees next year, Kuroda won’t.

    Sabathia / Nova / Pettitte / Hughes / Phelps

    ——————————-

    For the millionth time Kuroda has a full no trade which means he’s not going anywhere.

  13. Nick in SF May 8th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    “Hal can feel free to prove me wrong.”

    And he would do this how? You can give a long answer or just say by signing Cole Hamels if you want to save time. ;)

  14. blake May 8th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    I think Hughes has to stay for now……that said I would like to see Phelps get a real shot at some point…..hopefully not because of injury though.

  15. blake May 8th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    “And he would do this how? You can give a long answer or just say by signing Cole Hamels if you want to save time.”

    Sign Cole Hamels.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    but how long do you give him?
    ///

    Did you see his last start?

    Why are we talking about “how long” a guy gets when the guy threw 6.2 very convincing innings? Isn’t that more of a question you ask if he got knocked hammered and knocked out early?

    Doesn’t everyone who posts here watch the games?

  17. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Odds, then Cashman is wrong. He simply can not allow himself to get attached to a player like that.

  18. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Welcome back, Andy! Sunday is Mother’s Day and my mom is a huge Pettitte fan. She doesn’t know it yet, but guess where she is going to spend Sunday?

    Hughes stays in the SP right now. No brainer.

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    I think Phelps an help but he’s not pitching at Phil Hughes’ expense. Not the Phil Hughes who pitched the other night, in any case. Different ballpark of pitcher.

  20. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Cole Hamels is a punk.

    Well I guess we’ll have to see, won’t we WYH? I may very well be a nuclear physicist for all you know.

  21. Nick in SF May 8th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Hamels might be willing to take less money now to get out of that pesky National League. :grin:

  22. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    JAlfred, you’re not really interested in a conversation about Phil, so I’m not going to bother responding except to say – sorry, one start doesn’t cut it for me.

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Hughes stays in the SP right now. No brainer.
    ///

    Um…ye-ah. Not even a question.

    Fem, you have a cool mom :D .

  24. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Odds, then Cashman is wrong. He simply can not allow himself to get attached to a player like that.

    ————————

    He already has….It’s already happened. At the moment Phil has been given more chances than any other homegrown starter in recent memory. Hopefully Hughes can continue to take steps forward and prove Cashman right.

  25. Wave Your Hat May 8th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    “Well I guess we’ll have to see, won’t we WYH? I may very well be a nuclear physicist for all you know.”

    Betsy, you prefer Phelpsy to Hughesy? I can’t believe it.

    But really, leave out the names, the Yanks almost always prefer the guy with seniority over the guy without seniority. When the guy with seniority has also been pitching decently, I don’t see the debate.

  26. Ys Guy May 8th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    the good news is that j montero qualifies as a C in my fantasy league. the bad news is i can’t start him there or at DH…(santana and dunn)

  27. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Hughes is 25 and the Yankees value him. They will give him every chance to succeed. If they don’t learn to be patient with young pitchers and have knee-jerk reactions like fans do, then they will never develop any pitchers. And good luck these days either buying pitchers or trading for pitchers in their primes. I bet fans here would want Matt Moore sent to the BP right about now.

  28. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Wave, I don’t have any preference, but I’ve learned that you have to go start by start with Phil because he simply is not consistent in the slightest. I’m totally fine leaving him in the rotation, but as I said, Phil gets a very short leash.

  29. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Yankeefem, you make it sound like Phil has never had any chances. Removing him from the rotation would hardly be a knee jerk reaction after how poorly he’s pitched for so long.

  30. jacksquat May 8th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    I don’t think you can tell anything at all by the public stance on the CBA. It was passing with or without the Yanks, so there was no reason to antagonize Bud and the other owners.

    George would have antagonized.

    Hal obviously was not spanked enough as a child.

  31. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Betsy has a point he has been given a lot of chances. They have been patient with him. A knee jerk reaction would have been after his second start when some fans said put Phelps in his spot. That was premature IMO because it was only 2 starts into the season.

  32. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Betsy, coming off the arm fatigue et al, considering his potential and his age, Hughes gets more slack than an older pitcher who shouldn’t be on a learning curve or a similar aged pitcher who does have Hughes’ upside. Further, there is progress; he actually now has a viable change up and he has his velocity back. And most importantly, Hughes is still the Yankees best bet at the back end. Moving him to the pen now would be premature and short-sighted.

  33. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    “People advocating for Hughes to go into the bullpen after his ST and his last two starts have to be nuts.”

    I’d call it short-sighted and perhaps it is at least partially based on a skewed view of the role that a 7th inning reliever plays.

  34. Tabbert May 8th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    The yanks should sign that josh hamiltlon guy and put him out in right field. Imagine cano and hamilton hitting back to back. WOW.

  35. Ruby Wednesday May 8th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Time to set up the diving board on the bridge ?

  36. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    *doesn’t have Hughes’ upside (should read)

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    JAlfred, you’re not really interested in a conversation about Phil, so I’m not going to bother responding except to say – sorry, one start doesn’t cut it for me.
    ///

    I just find it to be an odd conversation starter, to ask “how long” a young pitcher gets, who just pitched resoundingly well. Wasn’t the point to see real progress? Of course, the answer is, he will get another start, at the very least.

  38. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    “Betsy has a point he has been given a lot of chances.”

    I think those “chances” are misleading because he was never given the chance to develop his secondary pitches when they disappeared after 2007. So those chances are illusory.

  39. Ys Guy May 8th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    idk if the city that never sleeps is the right place for hamilton….

  40. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Yankeesfem, I don’t really know what his upside or potential is, but I’m fine with leaving him in the rotation for now………but this is sink or swim for Phil now. He has to consistently give the team quality innings.

  41. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Rich, in my case it has nothing whatsoever to do with how important or not the 7th inning is. It’s based simply on performance as a starter, pure and simple.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    “People advocating for Hughes to go into the bullpen after his ST and his last two starts have to be nuts.”

    I’d call it short-sighted and perhaps it is at least partially based on a skewed view of the role that a 7th inning reliever plays.
    ///

    Listen. Even Francesa seems to understand you don’t do this.

  43. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Thinking about it, its kind of silly to think it’s about giving Hughes chances. They are really giving themselves a chance to benefit from his talent, because they don’t have many starters that can do what he can potentially do.

  44. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Has anyone been watching Manny’s game? I just got home, but checked the boxscore. About to tune in now. I see where Gardy is 2 for 2. Hopefully, he is back by the end of the week.

  45. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    “Rich, in my case it has nothing whatsoever to do with how important or not the 7th inning is. It’s based simply on performance as a starter, pure and simple.”

    Betsy

    As I have posted more than once, his performance needs to be viewed in the context of how few innings he has pitched as a starter since 2007, and how little opportunity he has been given to develop his secondary pitches.

    He still has a unique skillset. They would be crazy to throw that away based on some arbitrary time limit.

  46. Ruby Wednesday May 8th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Fantasy Lohud Blog today ? More silliness, signing Hamilton and Hamels ? Sure Hal is going to add huge amounts of payroll and ignore the $ 189 mil. cap so he can fork out millions more for the LT. Funny stuff.

  47. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Betsy, right now he just has to make progress and give us a chance to win. He is after all filling the 5 slot.

  48. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    “Betsy has a point he has been given a lot of chances.”

    I think those “chances” are misleading because he was never given the chance to develop his secondary pitches when they disappeared after 2007. So those chances are illusory.

    ———————————

    Has he never been given a chance or has he tinkered with his repertoire to much. It’s not illusory when he has started games every single season since he was called up. How many homegrown Yankee pitchers in the last 16 yrs have started games every yr over a 5-6 season time span.

  49. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Yankeefem, I would agree with that.

    Rich, I’m not sure what his unique skillset is. The only thing he does that is above average is throw a FB. Still, I can’t disagree about your main point. As long as he’s decent, I’m sure he’ll remain in the rotation. He just has to avoid sucking.

  50. Tabbert May 8th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    If he doesnt fork out the money, he wont win with this core. And by the time they get luxuary tax relief, this entire team will be old and out of its prime. Sign hamilton now, your almost a lock to win a championship. Dude would put up barry bonds numbers playing in yankee stadium.

  51. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    I’m sure he’ll remain in the rotation. He just has to avoid sucking.

    ————————-

    Yep if he’s decent he’ll stay and more than likely have as spot for next yr as well.

  52. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Betsy, if Hughes were another pitcher, I think most would be thrilled with his evolving change up. I have higher hopes for him than his “avoiding sucking.” I have seen real progress and I expect it to continue as long as he commands his pitches.

    Rich, I completely agree about the lack of consistent innings and the chance to develop secondary pitches. I think his change up has been impressive. Let’s hope he continues to improve on his CB.

  53. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    “Has he never been given a chance or has he tinkered with his repertoire to much. It’s not illusory when he has started games every single season since he was called up. How many homegrown Yankee pitchers in the last 16 yrs have started games every yr over a 5-6 season time span.”

    At then end of the day, does it really matter? He only pitched more than 86 innings once since 2007.

    If they had a bunch of ML ready young pitchers with a similar skillset, or had an unlimited budget, they could afford to remove him from the rotation.

    They don’t. They need him, especially since Pineda may never see the ML again, let alone be what they hoped.

  54. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Betsy

    Having an above average FB is a very rare skill.

  55. austinmac May 8th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    I haven’t been able to watch the AAA game because of my stupid account, but, that aside, Banuelos pitched five innings, four hits, one run, three Ks and NO walks. He has thrown 75 pitches so I am guessing he is finished or close to it.

  56. Ruby Wednesday May 8th, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    The Great Phil Hughes debate lives on, kind of like Pearl Harbor.

    One way or the other, Phelps will be the odd man out.

  57. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Pruf, did you watch Manny pitch? Thoughts?

    And yeah, my mom is a diehard Yankee fan.

  58. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    “Has he never been given a chance or has he tinkered with his repertoire to much. It’s not illusory when he has started games every single season since he was called up. How many homegrown Yankee pitchers in the last 16 yrs have started games every yr over a 5-6 season time span.”

    At then end of the day, does it really matter? He only pitched more than 86 innings once since 2007.

    If they had a bunch of ML ready young pitchers with a similar skillset, or had an unlimited budget, they could afford to remove him from the rotation.

    They don’t. They need him, especially since Pineda may never see the ML again, let alone be what they hoped
    ——————

    True they do need him but it has to be based on results. If he continues to pitch well then he should stay.

  59. austinmac May 8th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Hughes can succeed if and only of he can retain the arm speed for 94. That allows for a tighter curve and more deception on the change. Whether he can is the question. He couldn’t in 2010, but he is evidently in better shape now.

  60. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Thanks for the update, austinmac. 2nd game in a row since coming back with no walks. Good to see. What’s wrong with your account?

  61. Chad Jennings May 8th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Tarp coming off the field.

  62. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Chad, good news!!! Thanks! I checked the weather report and it looks like the chance of precipitation going forward isn’t very high.

  63. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    austinmac May 8th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    I haven’t been able to watch the AAA game because of my stupid account, but, that aside, Banuelos pitched five innings, four hits, one run, three Ks and NO walks. He has thrown 75 pitches so I am guessing he is finished or close to it.

    ————————

    Blake would be happy to hear that

  64. Betsy May 8th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Rich, but he’s been injury prone – so far, you can’t rely on him to be an innings eater.

    Being able to throw one pitch doesn’t help much unless you’re a reliever…….if it could, Phil would have much better career numbers

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    The only thing he does that is above average is throw a FB.
    ///

    :facepalm:

  66. Yankee Trader May 8th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Flashback to October 24th, 1996 with Any Pettitte on the mound vs the NL pennant winners the Braves.

    TF- You and your mother will like this trip down memory lane:

    http://www.baseball-reference......0240.shtml

  67. Ruby Wednesday May 8th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Baseball on Tuesday evening, sweet !

  68. Ruby Wednesday May 8th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Let’s see DRob as the closer tonight to seal a Yankee win.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    Pruf, did you watch Manny pitch? Thoughts?

    And yeah, my mom is a diehard Yankee fan.
    ////

    I’m just tuning in now.

  70. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Betsy

    As I said, now that Pineda is gone, who do they have with similar upside that has a chance of being a #2-#3? Just Nova, and because of their budget projections, that’s not enough.

    So they need to do everything they can to explore whatever Hughes can give them as a starter, like seeing if the improvement in the curve can be enduring.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Odds,

    You know I’d like to see them both in the rotation again in 2013. I must be one of those rare Yankee fans who roots for both Hughes and Chamberlain. Somehow, I figured two good young starters are better than one good young starter.

  72. kd May 8th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    looks like manban is healthy.

    how long before he’s ready?

    Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource

    Manny Banuelos since returning from DL: 8.2IP, 6H, 1R, 1ER, 0BB, 8K

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Good line from Manuelito.

    :D

    I’ll look at the archive after the Yankee game.

    kd, they’d do best to let this guy build his arm up. Maybe he gets a late-season call up if he keeps throwing up good numbers.

  74. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Odds,

    You know I’d like to see them both in the rotation again in 2013. I must be one of those rare Yankee fans who roots for both Hughes and Chamberlain. Somehow, I figured two good young starters are better than one good young starter.

    ————————–

    You’ve always rooted for both guys…I’ve been critical of Hughes but if he continues to pitch well then he’ll definitely be in there because they don’t want another off season of looking for pitching under every rock. Hughes could settle some concern they have for 2013 if he becomes what they hope.

    Joba unfortunately has no chance.

  75. Cashmoney May 8th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    I thought Chamberlain had better stuff than Hughes, I still do. whether or not Joba has the drive or physicality to be a starter that’s another story.

  76. blake May 8th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    “Blake would be happy to hear that”

    Blake is happy with zero walks……blake is mad he missed it because he thought it was at 7…….but blake will hopefully watch the archive when the kids go to bed :)

  77. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    blake May 8th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    “Blake would be happy to hear that”

    Blake is happy with zero walks……blake is mad he missed it because he thought it was at 7…….but blake will hopefully watch the archive when the kids go to bed :)

    —————————————–

    Blake with his impression of The Rock :)

  78. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Cashmoney May 8th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    I thought Chamberlain had better stuff than Hughes, I still do.

    ———————–

    At his best he certainly did. Joba’s stuff was scary. And that’s no diss to Hughes because you can pull games when his stuff was electric. The no near no hit game against the Rangers, the 8 inning shut out against the Rangers, the relief game in the post season The start in 08 when he went toe to toe with Burnett for 7 or 8 innings, etc. But Joba was nasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol.

  79. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Betsy, that Hughes is throwing a respectable change up even when behind is a big step forward. He threw 11 change ups last game. He is getting lefties out. That is huge. Curve needs to keep getting better, but he is a 3 pitch pitcher if he keeps this up. And he will still have some growing pains.

    Pruf, yeah I have always wholeheartedly rooted for both Hughes and Chamberlain. They both have the stuff to be good SP’s. I never appreciated the Alex vs. Derek fanbase either.

    Odds, re: Joba… never say never.

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Hughes could settle some concern they have for 2013 if he becomes what they hope.

    Joba unfortunately has no chance.
    ///

    Odds, I don’t think that’s necessarily true. And perhaps, if Phil can stay on point, that may steer them back in Joba’s direction. They’ve got more than enough 2007 “Jobas” in the minors: two-pitch guys who throw hard. Chamberlain did not give up throwing his secondary stuff last season ;) .

    Cashmoney – he gave them decent length as a starter in 2008. Boy, for all the world, he was a good looking one.

  81. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    near no hitter*

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Pruf, yeah I have always wholeheartedly rooted for both Hughes and Chamberlain.
    ///

    Are they not Yankees? :D .

  83. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Yep, Joba had 4 nasty pitches; he never should have gone to the pen. SMH.

  84. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Odds, re: Joba… never say never.

    ———————-

    If Cashman wanted him to start he’d start.

  85. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Hughes could settle some concern they have for 2013 if he becomes what they hope.

    Joba unfortunately has no chance.
    ///

    Odds, I don’t think that’s necessarily true. And perhaps, if Phil can stay on point, that may steer them back in Joba’s direction. They’ve got more than enough 2007 “Jobas” in the minors: two-pitch guys who throw hard. Chamberlain did not give up throwing his secondary stuff last season ;) .

    Cashmoney – he gave them decent length as a starter in 2008. Boy, for all the world, he was a good looking one.

    ——————————

    Yea he was good in 08. It looked like we had a young ace in the making but unfortunately since then it hasn’t gone according to plan.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    SWB Yankees Blog ? @swbyankeesTT

    Gus Molina is back with SWB. Craig Tatum to the DL. Certainly, Molina will take the road over AA.
    E
    ///

    Dellin just lost his catcher :(

  87. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Odds, Joba’s arm feels better than ever. Than ever, Joba said. Ya never know. ;)

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    Odds, re: Joba… never say never.

    ———————-

    If Cashman wanted him to start he’d start.
    ///

    That was a weird 360 turn he made. Eppler/Eiland ganged up on him and he capitulated :( .

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    Odds, Joba’s arm feels better than ever. Than ever, Joba said. Ya never know.
    ///

    :D

  90. kd May 8th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    just my two cents: joba almost lost what he loves: pitching

    i think we’re gonna see a much different guy than we say before. he’ll be in shape, humble, and ready to be a consistent contributor

    my guess is that he’s bullpen bound as long as he’s a yankee

  91. austinmac May 8th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    YF,

    I keep asking for a password, they indicate they sent it but no receipt. It may be the Yankees prevent me from watching him as I may be a jinx.

    Hopefully, that only applies at the minor league level. :)

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    kd,

    Hope you’re wrong about the last part :D .

    Rest of it sounds right to me.

  93. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    kd, Joba was dedicated and kicking butt in his workouts before he injured the ankle. So, I wonder if he can be any more dedicated than he was after the TJS. Joba has had his head screwed on right for quite a while. If Joba’s arm is as strong as he says and he can hold up, to put him in the pen is a waste.

  94. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    austinmac, do whatever you have to do to guarantee the appropriate outcome. ;)

    But I am sure you can rectify the password issue, no?

  95. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    yankeefeminista May 8th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Odds, Joba’s arm feels better than ever. Than ever, Joba said. Ya never know.

    ———-

    If he still wants to start his best bet is to test the market in 2 yrs.

  96. Cashmoney May 8th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    to me, the management have some decisions to make from now to 2014, do they wanna maintain the unrealistic goal of winning the WS every year under this new CBA, or do Cashman and Co. starts to listen offers to pieces that might not be here in 14 or beyond. call it whatever you want ‘rebuilding’ or ‘transitional’ years but I think Yanks needs to do that to maintain long term success as they have in the pass 15 years or so. if the decision is latter, then you will have all the time in the world to give guys like Hughes, Joba and Phelps and many others time to show if they belong or more importantly time to hone their skills in the big. but that decision needs to make soon rather than later. personally, the success of 12 season is not that paramount to me as in comparison to the long term outlook of this franchise. my doubt is whether or not the management in place are apt to handle such task.

  97. mick May 8th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    So the ro is CC-Kuroda-Hughes-Andy-Nova.
    That’s ok for now, subject to change , of course, may the best man move up in the pecking order.
    One more start for Phellps?
    Phil is staying in.

  98. Against All Odds May 8th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Kd is right about the last part.

  99. ron May 8th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Betsy:
    The yankees aren’t going to yank hughes out of the rotation because you think he has had enough chances.

    He has to be given a certain amount of time to make it,and 472 major league innings is not quite enough,especially when those innings were scattered all over the place.

    Also,the bullpen is fine,nova is getting hammered,phelps is no ace.


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