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Pregame notes: Gardner suffers setback in right elbow

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on May 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Expected to come off the disabled list today, Brett Gardner is instead getting an MRI after suffering a setback in last night’s rehab game.

“I can’t tell you when he’s going to be available to us,” Joe Girardi said. “But I can tell you it won’t be today.”

Girardi said Gardner had no problems during last night’s game, but when it was over, his right elbow was swollen and sore. The problem is in the muscle and doesn’t seem connected to his bone bruise, and the Yankees believed the previous muscular injury had completely healed.

“It could be new,” Girardi said. “But he had the bone bruise plus the muscular part before. The muscular part had healed, but he’s feeling it in that area and he had some swelling. He played the whole game yesterday without a problem. It was after. … We miss him, there’s no doubt about it. The way he was swinging the bat, his defense, the way he puts pressure on defense. We miss his presence in left field, but we have to find a way to get it done without him. I don’t know when we’re going to get him back. I’m sure today will be much more revealing after he goes through the tests and probably gets examined by the doctor, see how it responds and feels tomorrow. For right now, we don’t have him.”

For now Dewayne Wise is the Yankees extra left-handed outfielder and seems to be their backup in center field.

• Eric Chavez took the concussion test again today and hopes to be activated tomorrow. “I felt better about it,” he said. The Yankees are still waiting for clearance from the league office for Chavez to be activated from the disabled list. Today’s test results were sent to the league office along with more information than the Yankees sent yesterday. “He has not been cleared yet,” Girardi said. “I don’t know how long it takes. As soon as he’s cleared, we’ll probably put him in there.”

• Andy Pettitte did a conference call this afternoon to discuss his upcoming return to the Yankees rotation. There wasn’t any real breaking news out of the conference call, but Pettitte said he feels ready despite the so-so results in his minor league starts. “It’s time now,” he said. “I’ve got my pitch count up and it’s time to get up here and try to get going up here now.”

• Pettitte said he’s been coming to the stadium every day around 11:30 in the morning to work with Larry Rothschild. He’s been throwing his bullpens here, and he’s been working out in White Plains with the Yankees strength and conditioning coordinator. “My preparation for this game has been exactly like it normally would have been,” he said.

• Although he didn’t watch many Yankees games last year, Pettitte said the only games he’s missed this season have been on days when he was pitching himself. He got the YES Network added to his hotel TV package while he was staying in Tampa.

• Girardi said it’s possible but unlikely that Dave Robertson will be available tonight. “I need our guys to play catch and see how they feel,” Girardi said. “For me, he’s doubtful, but I’ll talk to him after he goes out there today.”

• Same thing for Rafael Soriano. It sounds like he’s slightly more likely to be available, but Girardi wants to check with Soriano as well before deciding who would handle a save situation tonight. “Sori has worked more in this role during his career, in a sense,” Girardi said. “I’ll check to see how he feels. There were a couple days last year I was shocked that he said he felt good. I’ll talk to him and see how he feels.”

• Girardi once again insisted that Chris Stewart is not CC Sabathia’s personal catcher, it’s just worked out well for Stewart to catch Sabathia so that Russell Martin has regular days off. Girardi said that, if this were a playoff game, Martin would catch Sabathia. “I choose my days to give Russell off,” Girardi said. “A lot of days, I’ll catch Stew against left handers as well, in a sense. Yeah, he’s caught him three or four starts, but I’m not saying it’s going o be that way the whole year. Everyone is going to want to make something of it right now, but it’s not going to be that way the whole year.”

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110 Responses to “Pregame notes: Gardner suffers setback in right elbow”

  1. Warning Track Power May 10th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Warning Track Power May 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

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  2. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    “Why anybody would want to grade a trade after 1 season is beyond me?”

    Because the recovery rate from surgery for labrum tears is very low.

    ———————–

    Also add in him keeping his weight in check, learning the change-up, pitching in NY, and eventually becoming a number 1 or 2. We are all pulling for him but he has a long road ahead

  3. Warning Track Power May 10th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Funny how some people here was to describe Montero as the early candidate for
    the AL MVP.
    His numbers are nowhere near that.

  4. tomingeorgia May 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Orioles today: 5 hits, 5 homers. 6- 1 O’s

  5. DaveD May 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    If Pineda were 4-0, it still doesn’t help the offense or stop the decline of the core players. The move was never about talent for talent. It was the idea that a maybe pitcher was more important than a high upside young bat, of which we have none of within 3 years of the majors.

  6. Betsy May 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Hope it’s not a TJ situation…..

  7. luis May 10th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    luis May 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    WTP,

    Again you are missing my point….I don’t care how the players perform now or in the future, i am not objecting to the talent exchange in a vacuum, in that regard it was fair. I am objecting the thought process and analysis that lead to the trade. I think it was wrong on so many levels, we are already suffering from this move, and it has nothing to do with Pineda being hurt. It has to do with the offense, it has to do with the new CBA, it has to do with the fact that we have suffered incredible injuries on the pitching side but still we are more than ok in that department. But Gardner is hurt and we have to call up Wise!

  8. Bronx Jeers May 10th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    • Although he didn’t watch many Yankees games last year, Pettitte said the only games he’s missed this season have been on days when he was pitching himself. He got the YES Network added to his hotel TV package while he was staying in Tampa.

    ————————————–

    And I thought I was livin large when I got a Korean manicurist to change the channel to FOX when the Yanks were spanking the Sox a few weeks back. :shock:

  9. yanks 27 May 10th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    “Also add in him keeping his weight in check, learning the change-up, pitching in NY, and eventually becoming a number 1 or 2. We are all pulling for him but he has a long road ahead”

    His own GM called him a “project” this spring. He could be the next Pedro, or could be the next Edinson Volquez who had an all-star first year with filthy stuff, only to flame out. Baseball is littered 10x more with Volquez’ than it is with Pedro’s.

    It was a dumb, unnecessary risk and most people here said it at the time. The surgery just adds gasoline to the already raging fire, so that shouldn’t even factor into the evaluation of the trade.

  10. mick May 10th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Luis,
    You are expecting for Montero to carry the team.
    With his #’s he would be the righty DH, when Arod wasn’t.
    C’mon…

    If Tex, Cano and Arod aren’t hitting a month from now, we can talk.

  11. luis May 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    mick,

    Thank you, didn’t know what it meant. But no, it wasn’t because of that….It’s just that bringing his numbers have no bearing in my position about the trade.

  12. Nick in SF May 10th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    “I am objecting the thought process and analysis that lead to the trade.”

    You mean you are objecting to the conclusions you have drawn about the thought process and analysis that led to the trade based on your incomplete knowledge of them, no?

  13. mick May 10th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    t’s just that bringing his numbers have no bearing in my position about the trade.
    =====================================
    numbers don’t count?

  14. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    mick May 10th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Luis,
    You are expecting for Montero to carry the team.
    With his #’s he would be the righty DH, when Arod wasn’t.
    C’mon…

    If Tex, Cano and Arod aren’t hitting a month from now, we can talk.

    ===========================

    Again missing my point….I would have understood trading him for a bat, but never for another pitcher that we never needed. Besides, we don’t know how he would have performed in our line up, in YS that plays so well to his skills.

  15. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    If we have to rely on Martin’s #’s then we are in trouble.
    All because we didn’t hit a sac fly in the ALDS…

  16. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    His own GM called him a “project” this spring. He could be the next Pedro, or could be the next Edinson Volquez who had an all-star first year with filthy stuff, only to flame out. Baseball is littered 10x more with Volquez’ than it is with Pedro’s.

    ———

    Let’s hope he is the next Pedro. It would calm the fears ppl have about the rotation. Unfortunately the offense would continue to take a dip.

  17. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Again missing my point….I would have understood trading him for a bat, but never for another pitcher that we never needed.
    ===================================
    We might need him next year.
    Montero not hitting rightys luis, are you saying he would at the Staduim?

  18. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Nick in SF May 10th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    “I am objecting the thought process and analysis that lead to the trade.”

    You mean you are objecting to the conclusions you have drawn about the thought process and analysis that led to the trade based on your incomplete knowledge of them, no?

    ========================================

    Yes….Could you please enumerate other possible reasons that we may not be aware of??

  19. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    You downplay pitching.
    That is a wrong thought process.

  20. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    .I would have understood trading him for a bat,
    ==============================
    Which player(s) would you trade him for?

  21. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Montero not hitting rightys luis, are you saying he would at the Staduim?

    =======================

    Mick,

    All i am saying is that we don’t know how he would have performed in our lineup. Remember that the M’s have a very weak offense, it would very easy to pitch around him. plus some of his outs would have been homers in YS.

  22. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    “Also add in him keeping his weight in check, learning the change-up, pitching in NY, and eventually becoming a number 1 or 2. We are all pulling for him but he has a long road ahead”

    Pulling for him is implied. Expecting anything out of him is not something I am doing right now.

  23. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    All i am saying is that we don’t know how he would have performed in our lineup.
    ==============================
    Your lack of confidence in this potential HOFer is shocking.

  24. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    The Yanks are trying to build something here.
    How do we know they expected Pineda to be a #2 this season?
    Like Randy said he might have been better served in AAA this year.

  25. austinmac May 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    “It’s like listening to a Mussolini speech during World War II.”

    Wonderful imagery. Despite my ignorance of his speeches, it still makes sense.

  26. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    No Mick,

    I don’t downplay pitching. As we discussed many times, we had/have plenty of depth on that department. We have none on the offensive side. They basically enhanced a strength at the expense of a weakness, you never do that.

    I can’t think of a single bat worth Montero….We should have kept him, but if an opportunity appears to get a Kemp type of bat, you pull the trigger.

  27. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    “Also add in him keeping his weight in check, learning the change-up, pitching in NY, and eventually becoming a number 1 or 2. We are all pulling for him but he has a long road ahead”

    Pulling for him is implied. Expecting anything out of him is not something I am doing right now.

    ——–

    I’m in the same boat. I’ve already seen ppl pencil him into next years rotation…..slow down ppl moving way too fast.

  28. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    “Like Randy said he might have been better served in AAA this year.”

    Yet they had him auditioning for a spot in the rotation until the very end of ST, even with his troubling (except perhaps to Girardi, at least according to his public statements) reduced velo.

  29. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    The Yanks are trying to build something here

    ———

    Build what exactly?

  30. tomingeorgia May 10th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    AAO,
    A cheap, champion-quality team.

  31. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    I don’t downplay pitching. As we discussed many times, we had/have plenty of depth on that department.
    ========================================
    Depth?
    Who would our 6th starter be.
    If one of an iffy Hughes, a criticized Kuroda or an old Andy don’t work out?
    Garcia, Phelps?

    Meanwhile we have Pineda, Banuelos and Betances down on the farm.
    The future looks bright, might have to wear shades.

  32. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    @ Tom good luck with that

  33. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    A cheap, champion-quality team.
    ===================
    Hal’s wet dream.

  34. yanks 27 May 10th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    The depth would be exactly the same, except minus Pineda.

  35. Nick in SF May 10th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    “Could you please enumerate other possible reasons that we may not be aware of??”

    You mean, could I make something up that could have even less basis in truth than what you premise your conclusions on?

    The other possible reasons (and there are probably a combination of reasons that went into the final decision) involve internal evaluations that we can only speculate on and maybe even some that no one here has imagined.

    That doesn’t make those reasons correct, of course.

    I haven’t found the arguments made by the strong proponents of the trade to be so deeply compelling either, but they also don’t know what the real thought process and analysis was that led to the fateful events of January 13, 2012.

  36. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Ppl have been saying the future looks bright since generation trey

  37. tomingeorgia May 10th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    All I said was, that’s what they’re trying to do.

  38. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    The Yanks are trying to build something here.
    How do we know they expected Pineda to be a #2 this season?
    Like Randy said he might have been better served in AAA this year.

    ===========================

    He can correct me any time, but i think Randy didn’t like the trade either. I was in the camp of leaving him in triple A as well Mick. Yes, they want their pitching to carry them through the next three season until those bad contracts start to end. The problem is that they already have plenty of talent to do just that, plus they keep Montero to enhance the offense. Again, very dumb move.

  39. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    et they had him auditioning for a spot in the rotation until the very end of ST
    =======================
    maybe because the uproar at Lohud would be overwhelming

  40. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    “maybe because the uproar at Lohud would be overwhelming”

    If the uproar matters, why does Cashman still have a job?

  41. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    they want their pitching to carry them through the next three season until those bad contracts start to end. The problem is that they already have plenty of talent to do just that,
    ================================================
    You haven’t named the pitchers that would do that yet.

  42. yanks 27 May 10th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    But they didn’t even get a sure thing as a pitcher. The way it is being portrayed, they got King Felix. They got a project pitcher who had development ahead of him who wasn’t even certain to be an answer.

    If they had to have pitching, they would have been better off with Gio Gonzalez. At least he has somewhat of a track record, back to back 200 inning seasons, and doesn’t need to be developed.

  43. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    OTOH. if randy has the control over opinion on Pineda that he deserves, there would be no uproar.

  44. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    @ Tom sorry if my response was rude

  45. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    I don’t downplay pitching. As we discussed many times, we had/have plenty of depth on that department.
    ========================================
    Depth?
    Who would our 6th starter be.
    If one of an iffy Hughes, a criticized Kuroda or an old Andy don’t work out?
    Garcia, Phelps?

    Meanwhile we have Pineda, Banuelos and Betances down on the farm.
    The future looks bright, might have to wear shades.

    ======================================

    At the moment of the trade we had CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pettitte,Garcia, Noesi, Phelps, Mitchell, Warren and Joba if he was given the chance. that’s TEN pitchers for 5 spots.

    Kuroda had two bad starts and has had three very good ones, two of those has been his very last.

  46. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    You haven’t named the pitchers that would do that yet.

    CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pettitte,Garcia, Noesi, Phelps, Mitchell, Warren and Joba if he was given the chance. that’s TEN pitchers for 5 spots.

    Plus Betances and banuelos, that’s 12 pitchers for 5 spots going forward.

  47. BTX May 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    luis,

    Don’t forget Burnett. They didn’t have to trade him.

  48. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    But they didn’t even get a sure thing as a pitcher. The way it is being portrayed, they got King Felix. They got a project pitcher who had development ahead of him who wasn’t even certain to be an answer
    =================
    if not enough already, could you imagine the uproar here if Montero were actually hitting?

  49. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pettitte,Garcia, Noesi, Phelps, Mitchell, Warren and Joba if he was given the chance. that’s TEN pitchers for 5 spots.
    ==============================
    I know the staff. It is still iffy for now.
    We are talking about the future.
    They are trying to build something.

  50. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    If they had to have pitching, they would have been better off with Gio Gonzalez.
    ===========================
    Evidently the A’s and others didn’t think Montero was worth it.
    Stick Michael called him lazy.
    He was going for somebody.
    Pineda was the best they could get.

  51. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Nick,

    To be fair. I understand your position, i don’t share it but i do understand it. Most of the logic i have used is based of known facts ( Farm depth, Current roster construction, potential talent exchanged/risks, CBA, public objective to go below the 189 mil mark and current FA contracts signed ), i find it very hard that their decision process was not based on this parameters. I could be wrong, and maybe it was made because Cashman didn’t like his haircut.

  52. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    luis

    Cashman telegraphed his position: pitching holds the keys to the kingdom; they had excess offense.

  53. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    who was going to trade us a guaranteed frontline pitcher for a prospect?
    even if some had inducted him into the hall of fame.

  54. tomingeorgia May 10th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    AAO,
    Compared to some things I’ve read here, that wasn’t even close to rude!

  55. BTX May 10th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    But what were they building towards becoming? A slightly-better offensive version of the ’10-11 Phillies or Braves, with slightly worse pitching?

    And it is highly unlikely that their plan would manifest in the form of “super rotations” like the Rays, Phillies, Giants, or Angels either that were 3-4 deep with all-stars.

  56. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Mick,

    That’s where we differ….i do think we have a very good staff, with plenty of depth in triple A. It’s matter of opinion.

    BTX,

    thank you, even though i have run out of Maalox to watch his starts ;)

  57. austinmac May 10th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Mick,

    Good point.

  58. tomingeorgia May 10th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    luis,
    I din’t like his haircut, either.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    “who was going to trade us a guaranteed frontline pitcher for a prospect?
    even if some had inducted him into the hall of fame.”

    Absolutely nobody. When his name was mentioned as a chip in the Lee trade, his name was one of several.

  60. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    For those who don’t think we have enough hitting, trying to convince Yankee brass of this would be difficult.
    We know the HOF IF is going nowhere and being paid accordingly.
    Grandy and Swish and even Gardy have carried their weight.
    The problem has been the lack of timely hitting in the playoffs.
    Something a fly ball could have remedied.

  61. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    hi trish

  62. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    “who was going to trade us a guaranteed frontline pitcher for a prospect?
    even if some had inducted him into the hall of fame.”

    So you stand pat?

  63. Nick in SF May 10th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Do you understand it, luis?

    Because you have said many times that it doesn’t matter to you if Montero doesn’t reach what people here imagine his ceiling to be and it doesn’t matter if Pineda comes back and turns out to be a stud; even if those things happen, the process and philosophy that led to the trade is flawed.

    To me that means that no matter what their internal evaluations were and even if they turn out to be correct, you think the conclusion was wrong. Is that your position?

  64. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    luis

    Cashman telegraphed his position: pitching holds the keys to the kingdom; they had excess offense.

    ===========================

    I know…But since we don’t have hard proof of what was going on in those meetings, it’s fair to doubt our reasoning

  65. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    That’s where we differ….i do think we have a very good staff, with plenty of depth in triple A. It’s matter of opinion.
    ===================
    I’m talking about depth.
    You might be thinking short term.
    Right now, there is nobody who could step into this staff and replace any of them.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Hi mick. :)

    I agree with your post about hitting also. For those who are upset about the Yankees roster, that same roster ended up with the second most runs in the majors last season – and that was with Jeter only heating up in the second half of the season.

    Timely hitting definitely could have solved the postseason. However, you wouldn’t have wondered about it based on last year’s roster.

  67. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    luis

    The hard proof standard is a slippery slope to shutting all discussion down.

  68. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    So you stand pat?
    ==========
    No I can’t stand Pat. Who is Pat?

  69. Nick in SF May 10th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    The slippery slope returns. :lol:

  70. theREALkevin May 10th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    “The Yanks are trying to build something here.”

    Wrong. Montero was a dead man walking. They couldn’t wait to trade him. It had nothing to do with building anything. It had everything to do with getting rid of Montero because they MISTAKENLY thought he was not capable of catching.

  71. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    “No I can’t stand Pat. Who is Pat?”

    So you agree?

  72. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    “The slippery slope returns”

    It’s omnipresent for a reason.

  73. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    For those wondering about the 189 budget: I have this question.
    Jeter is on his way to surpass Rose as Hit King.
    Do we pay the man after his 3 years are up?
    That could be the final straw for Hal. He could be run out of town.
    Maybe he’s saving his money for that day.
    Maybe Jeter is trying to make him pay.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    “Right now, there is nobody who could step into this staff and replace any of them.”

    Agree with that also.

    And for anyone who wants to mention a nice potential rotation absent the guys we traded for, (I just saw the end of the posts, seriously, so don’t know if any rotation has been proffered), the Yankees were NOT going into the season with CC and Nova with question marks with Burnett, Hughes, Garcia (who knew?) and they were not going to dump some prospects into it and call it a done deal. When they tried that in 2008 they missed the postseason.

    It’s all well and good for fans to feel comfy with this pitcher and that pitcher, but fans weren’t going to be bailing out the organization if suggested possibilities didn’t pan out. That’s why they went in the direction they did. (By the way, I was more than happy to go into this season with CC, Nova, AJ, Hughes, and a bring back. Boy would I have been totally wrong!)

  75. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Nick in SF May 10th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Do you understand it, luis?

    Because you have said many times that it doesn’t matter to you if Montero doesn’t reach what people here imagine his ceiling to be and it doesn’t matter if Pineda comes back and turns out to be a stud; even if those things happen, the process and philosophy that led to the trade is flawed.

    To me that means that no matter what their internal evaluations were and even if they turn out to be correct, you think the conclusion was wrong. Is that your position?

    =====================================]

    No…If something comes out that makes the trade logical, i would backtrack and recognize that they were right and i was wrong. But so far, every single piece of information points to a mayor blunder, regardless of how the players involved perform.

    For the record, I do think that Montero is going to be especial ( pretty much everybody agrees on that) and i hope that Pineda becomes a stud as unlikely as it looks right now.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    YAY!!!! O’S BEAT THE RANGERS!

    :)

    Take that Rangers!

  77. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    It had everything to do with getting rid of Montero because they MISTAKENLY thought he was not capable of catching.
    ===============
    We won’t know the real reasons until the book comes out.
    Stick Michael called him lazy the other day.
    Again, he would be the righty platoon DH with Ibanez and Alex right now.

  78. jacksquat May 10th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    The notion that Pineda was a “project pitcher” is preposterous.

    He had a 3.73 ERA last year in his first season. Don’t even go start nitpicking about the difference in halves,mostly the same people that do that defend Hughes’ 18 win season even though it was lopsided. He had one of the best fastballs and sliders in the league. He’s not a finished product, but he is not a “project pitcher”, and despite Randy’s bu11sh!t about him needing to have a “plus” third pitch as well, Pineda wasnot going to the minors if he were not injured and pitching normally.

    Criticize the merits of the trade if you want (ad nauseum), but let’s keep it real.

  79. Nick in SF May 10th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    luis, that’s good. You admitted the possibility that they were right and you were wrong.

    And all without anyone ever actually demanding hard proof of anything. Wonders never cease!

  80. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    “Right now, there is nobody who could step into this staff and replace any of them.”

    Agree with that also.
    ================
    You agree with almost everything I present even tho you won’t readily admit it.
    Even last night , if you go back and read what I said, you would agree.

  81. Cashmoney May 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Mick, Ibanez is here because Montero isn’t. I think Montero would have done the job as full time Dh and part time catcher and a pretty decent drawing card.

  82. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Those who think results are not important in a trade are whack.
    Disagreeing in theory is one thing.
    Only one side can be right and that can’t be determined for years.
    It’s the same thing with Presidents.

  83. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Mick, Ibanez is here because Montero isn’t. I think Montero would have done the job as full time Dh and part time catcher and a pretty decent drawing card.
    =====================================
    Not if he was hitting like he is now.
    Imagine the pressure he would feel if he didn’t produce?

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    While I agree with mostly everything you say, I am not ready to give over to the unequivocal ripple effect!

    :D

  85. Cashmoney May 10th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    I like Giancarlo Stanton on Marlins more than Montero though… wishful thinking I know. but He is more talented than Montero.

  86. theREALkevin May 10th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    mick,

    Well, Montero SHOULD be splitting the catching duties with Martin and DHing when Martin catches. But like I said. Montero had a target on his back put there by either Girardi or upper management or both.

    The “lazy” comment I guess could refer to those comments that scouts made about him being “bored” while he was being kept down in AAA for what seemed like forever. Maybe the Yankees didn’t have faith in his hitting or catching. I don’t know. I do know the trade was a mistake for a thousand reasons even before Pineda got hurt and I was against it from day one. And yes I know it’s been discussed ad nauseum but it still bothers me. It was a monumental mistake and one that honestly cannot be forgiven. It is the type of mistake that should get someone fired, period.

  87. luis May 10th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    That’s where we differ….i do think we have a very good staff, with plenty of depth in triple A. It’s matter of opinion.
    ===================
    I’m talking about depth.
    You might be thinking short term.
    Right now, there is nobody who could step into this staff and replace any of them.

    ===============================

    Quite the contrary….If you think 12 pitchers for five spots is not depth, i don’t know what depth means to you…Out of those 12, seven are in triple A or in the rotation ( Nova, Phelps, Mitchell, Warren, Banuelos, hughes and Betances) all young and cost control for the future.

  88. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    “The notion that Pineda was a “project pitcher” is preposterous.”

    Well…

    JIM BOWDEN ? @JimBowdenESPNxm
    Follow

    Brian Cashman told me last night that Michael Pineda better improve the change-up & develop into a #1 starter or he will have made a mistake

  89. Cashmoney May 10th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Not if he was hitting like he is now.
    Imagine the pressure he would feel if he didn’t produce?
    ———
    what pressure? the pressure would be on your aforementioned HOF infielders and the existing stars.. what do you think Montero is hitting…. last time i checked was 268 with 4 hr and 16 rbis ..hardly a disaster compare to Ibanez.

  90. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    While I agree with mostly everything you say, I am not ready to give over to the unequivocal ripple effect!
    ===============
    You got something against Cal Ripplekin?

  91. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    what pressure? the pressure would be on your aforementioned HOF infielders
    =======================
    please don’t use that word “aforementioned”. that was a Kay original and i hated it.
    he has since dropped it.

  92. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    last time i checked was 268 with 4 hr and 16 rbis ..hardly a disaster compare to Ibanez.
    =====================
    check out his splits vs Rightys.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    :lol:

    No, in fact I love him because he was a member of – THE ORIOLES!!!

    ;)

    “It was a monumental mistake and one that honestly cannot be forgiven. It is the type of mistake that should get someone fired, period.”

    Kev, here’s the difficulty with that position. There are many people who feel it was not a mistake at all and therefore no firings are necessary.

    The devil is in the details…

  94. mick May 10th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Quite the contrary….If you think 12 pitchers for five spots is not depth, i don’t know what depth means to you…Out of those 12, seven are in triple A or in the rotation ( Nova, Phelps, Mitchell, Warren, Banuelos, hughes and Betances) all young and cost control for the future.
    =======================================
    You don’t win now with hyped up farmhands who are not ready .

  95. mick May 10th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    No, in fact I love him because he was a member of – THE ORIOLES!!!
    ==================
    Your favorite team.
    What if they played the Yanks in the playoffs?

  96. mick May 10th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    ..hardly a disaster compare to Ibanez.
    =========================
    Raul Ibanez Statistics and History – Baseball-Reference.com
    http://www.baseball-reference.com › Encyclopedia of Players › I Listing
    1 day ago – 2012: 5 HR, .267 BA, 16 RBI

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    “Your favorite team.
    What if they played the Yanks in the playoffs?”

    I would want the Yankees to ultimately win but I would want the Orioles to make a good enough showing that they felt pride in what they did, once the postseason was over.

  98. luis May 10th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Nick in SF May 10th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    luis, that’s good. You admitted the possibility that they were right and you were wrong.

    And all without anyone ever actually demanding hard proof of anything. Wonders never cease!

    ==================================

    Nobody owns the truth. I’ve been wrong many times in my life, and if i am wrong on this one won’t be the first nor the last. But up to now, i think i am right about it. Very seldom do i take this kind of position, it comes after a long pondering process and analysis. Which in turns brings conviction. But if something comes up, that makes such analysis flawed, I’ll be the first to say so.

  99. mick May 10th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    I would want the Yankees to ultimately win but I would want the Orioles to make a good enough showing that they felt pride in what they did, once the postseason was over.
    =======================
    then you are not a fanatic

  100. jacksquat May 10th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    “The notion that Pineda was a “project pitcher” is preposterous.”

    Well…

    JIM BOWDEN ? @JimBowdenESPNxm
    Follow

    Brian Cashman told me last night that Michael Pineda better improve the change-up & develop into a #1 starter or he will have made a mistake

    Needing to improve your third pitch to become an ace does not make a “project pitcher”.

    Maybe some people have very different definitions of the word “project”.

  101. Cashmoney May 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    just checked mick, the splits are pretty ugly vs RHP… but hypothetically if he is on the team i probably trot him out there and see what he is got at season end cuz potential.

  102. mick May 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    cash
    ppl got carried away with the Jesus…trotting him out there wears thin if he doesn’t produce…setting yourself up for a fall, the prodigal child, as well….lots of pressure in the Apple.

  103. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    but he is not a “project pitcher

    +———–

    What else do you call a pitcher that the GM himself said needed to continue his development and learn a third pitch

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    “then you are not a fanatic”

    I am a fanatic with a heart. I would want them to kick the crap out of Detroit and Texas, for example, but teams that haven’t been there for a while, well I would want them to feel validated.

    I am always aware that the Yankees can afford to buy championships. Most teams cannot say the same thing. It’s about fairness.

  105. mick May 10th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    I am always aware that the Yankees can afford to buy championships. Most teams cannot say the same thing. It’s about fairness.
    ======================
    Now you sound like a Red Sox fan.
    Some of their propaganda wore off on you.

  106. Cashmoney May 10th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    cash
    ppl got carried away with the Jesus…trotting him out there wears thin if he doesn’t produce…setting yourself up for a fall, the prodigal child, as well….lots of pressure in the Apple.
    ——-
    Like I said I give him whole season worth of at bats to see what he is got, I have made no such proclamation. but he is not here… so i prolly send Garicia out there and ole skool him friday. well…maybe.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    “Now you sound like a Red Sox fan.
    Some of their propaganda wore off on you.”

    mick, do a study on teams’ payrolls and revenues and get back to me.

  108. hardwired7 May 11th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    test

    :D

  109. hardwired7 May 11th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    J:Dnes

  110. hardwired7 May 11th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    J:D nes


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