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“The great ones find a way to bounce back”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s pretty hard to find a perfectly objective opinion on Dave Robertson. For outsiders, his numbers speak for themselves, and there’s little question about his stuff, but that information doesn’t say much about his mental and emotional ability handle the ninth inning or bounce back from a night like last night.

For that, you need people who know him, and the people who know him, really like him.

“I think he’ll be right back here tomorrow ready to go,” Nick Swisher said. “He’s that type of guy. I’ve gotten real close to him the past couple of years and he’s a fighter, man. I mean, in a situation like that, I wouldn’t want anybody else out there other than him right now.”

Truth be told, I like Robertson too, which is probably obvious. He’s a stand-up guy, a good guy, a guy who’s made himself one of the best relievers in baseball. And my belief is that he can handle this job. He got off to a slow start in 2010 and bounced back. He got knocked around one night in July of last year, and he allowed one more run the rest of the season.

“I’ll see how he reacts,” Joe Girardi said. “Take a look at his eyes (today), at his face, and make an evaluation of what I have to do. Being the closer is a little bit like being that kicker with two seconds to go and you’ve got a 45-yard field goal. You either make it and you’re the hero or you’ve got to find a way to bounce back. The great ones find a way to bounce back.”

A lot happened last night: David Phelps was excellent through an extended stretch … The middle relievers did their jobs perfectly … The offense was once again punchless and ineffective.

But all of it was overshadowed by Robertson’s blown save. That’s the life of a closer, and that’s the kind of pressure and scrutiny that Robertson has to come back from if he’s going to stay in this role and be effective. Plenty of people think that he can. He has to prove that he can.

“You give up a lead in the eighth, you still lose the game,” Robertson said. “It feels terrible. I blew it tonight. I can’t really say anything else about it.”

 
 

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102 Responses to ““The great ones find a way to bounce back””

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    To be fair, I think we need to let DRob adjust to the life of a closer before we make unequivocal assessments about how he is as a closer. He didn’t come into the season with that as his title. Lesser pitchers have ended up in AAA when they haven’t been able to handle the pressure. I believe he will be fine, but we can’t overuse him. I hope Joe tries to alternate between him and Sori, just to see how it works out. You don’t want to do it when there is no other choice. The time to do it is when you can do it as an experiment.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Also, as much as I want to see him right back out there, is it a good idea to pitch him three nights in a row (if we have to)? I just don’t want to blow his arm out!

  3. JM May 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    I think DRob will be fine….

    DRob30 And look, it’s already after midnight, which means it’s a new day. Let’s take this series tomorrow! #GoYanks
    8 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    DRob30 Tonight sucked, but if there is one thing Mo has shown me it’s how important it is to turn the page.
    8 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    DRob30 I expected to be slaughtered tonight on twitter, but the support y’all have shown reminds me how amazing Yankee fans are.

  4. MTU May 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    If the greastest closer of all time can blow 3 of his first few saves I think we can cut D-Rob a little slack.

    Know what I mean Vern ?

    ;)

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Good for him!

    Class individual.

    JM I agree. DRob will be fine.

    Baseball players realize the worth of turning the page. I wish fans understood the same value!

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    “If the greastest closer of all time can blow 3 of his first few saves I think we can cut D-Rob a little slack.

    Know what I mean Vern ?
    ;)

    Ya think?

    :)

  7. RMS May 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    I, too, think Robertson will be fine. You have to give him a chance.

  8. upstate kate May 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    D-rob will be fine. It was good that he was successful in his first save opportunity. I loved Girardi’s support of him in the post game.

    I was surprised that last night’s game was so low scoring for both teams. Phelps did a good job of not unraveling when he got in trouble.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Upstate Kate – hooray!!!! I’ve been hoping you’d come back.

    :)

    We’ve missed you and your positive outlook.

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    “I loved Girardi’s support of him in the post game.”

    I felt the same way. It was really a balanced and objective way to look at things, totally sensible! You wish fans would have the ability to think through things the same way without running off the deep end. At least I wish they would!

  11. blake May 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    GM,

    Im not a big proponent of bunting in general ….but if ever there is a time to bubt then that was it…..nice blog post

  12. Tackelberry May 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Only issue I had with DRob was his throwing a fastball to Joyce when he was ahead on the count. The guy is a dead fastball hitter, has alot of trouble with breaking balls. Robbie’s curve was sharp last night. WOuld have fed him a steady diet of breaking pitches there. But he will learn from this. Sometimes failure is the best learning experience.

  13. Bronx Jeers May 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Alex has a .200 BA w/ RISP but a .400 OBP/RISP.

    ————————————

    Says a lot about what opposing pitchers think about the guy hitting behind him.

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    “Sometimes failure is the best learning experience.”

    ;)

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Well I’ll leave the morning crew to interact with each other. Hopefully Kate will add more to your mix.

    Later y’all.

  16. upstate kate May 10th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    an OT comment
    We saw the ES Yankees in Rochester this weekend. What a beautiful stadium and a great opportunity for those of us in northern, central and western NY to see the AAA team. Unfortunately, we didn’t get to see either B or Andy, but we did see baby Twin Scott Diamond, who shut out the Angels this week when he got called up.

    thanks for the kind words Trisha

  17. blake May 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    “Girardi should give Tex an ultimatum:

    1. Go the other way against the shift
    2. Bat RH against RH pitching
    3. Become a platoon player”

    1. He cant mechanically
    2. Im on the fence as to whether this would help or actually screw up the side he can hit from.
    3. 23 million a year says the Yanks wont do that.

  18. blake May 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Robertson will be fine…..the fanbase needs to support this guy and be patient because even though Mo is coming back next year….at some point there will be a permanent new closer…..and Robertson is their best hope and option right now for that being a strength in the future.

  19. blake May 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    JAP and YF must be happy this morning with Betances havibg his best start in forever……hopefully he and Manny start rolling now.

  20. yanks61 May 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    And an interesting review of Manny following Blake’s comment above:

    FanGraphs Prospect Stock Watch – 5/9/12

    by Marc Hulet – May 9, 2012

    Manny Banuelos, LHP, New York Yankees
    Current Level: AAA
    2012 Top 15 Prospects Ranking: 1st
    Current Value: Monitor Closely

    Banuelos, 21, returned from a brief stint on the disabled list with an impressive performance that saw him strike out five batters in 3.0 innings of work. He gave up two hits but did not allow a walk or a run. He followed that up last night with another five innings of one run ball. It was a far cry from his first two starts of the 2012 season when he allowed 14 hits, seven walks and six runs in 5.1 combined innings. With the starting rotation in a state of flux in New York, the triple-A prospect could be a sight for sore eyes come mid season. Banuelos’ control still needs a fair bit of fine tuning but he has the ceiling of a No. 2 starter with a little more polish.

  21. blake May 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    “Banuelos’ control still needs a fair bit of fine tuning but he has the ceiling of a No. 2No.1 starter with a little more polish.”

    I really believe thats his ceiling…..he may not reach it but i think hes got a chance to be special.

  22. blake May 10th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I also think they need to try and avoid going to Banuelos this year…..he needs innings and he needs to polish off his development……they need to have the goal of potentially having him ready to enter the rotation in 2013.

  23. Tackelberry May 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    If Banuelos and Betances can continue to make steady improvement this year Yanks would be ecstatic. I agree they should both spend the entire season in AAA. I thought Warren would step it up more since he excelled last year at Scranton but he can’t seem to get untracked. Hope he can get it together cause he’d be next inline for call up if they need a starter at some point

  24. 86w183 May 10th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Blake you keep insisting Teixiera can’t hit the other way “mechianically”.

    What are you talking about? He wasn’t a dead pull hitter most of his career.

    In 2009 Tex’s line vs RHP was .282 (BA), .373 (OBP), .579)

    In 2010 it was .244, .342, .457

    In 2011 it was .224, .325, .453

    This season it’s .205, .284, .346

    To me its more the pull mentality. I see nothing “mechanically that can’t be changed — the main thing (to me) is he’s dropping his back shoulder. That’s not correctable?

  25. blake May 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “Blake you keep insisting Teixiera can’t hit the other way “mechianically”.”

    Because unless he changes the way he swings…..he cant effectively…..he cant let the ball get deep enough the way he swings now.

  26. Jerkface May 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    To me its more the pull mentality. I see nothing “mechanically that can’t be changed — the main thing (to me) is he’s dropping his back shoulder. That’s not correctable?

    His swing, besides being complicated from the left side, has gotten an even bigger upper cut. If you look at video from 2009 and then from 2011-2012 you’ll notice it has changed quite a bit from the left. With his swing now, he isn’t going to be driving the ball to left with any kind of authority.

  27. bruceb May 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I hope that all this talk of Robertson blowing the save doesn’t mask the fact that our offense flat out stinks. I look at the Mets with a AAA lineup putting up 10 runs against Cliff Lee and the Phillies, then I turn over the TV and watch our so-called superstars striking out or grounding into double plays bat after at bat. Guys, Jeff Nieman really isn’t that good. And Felipe Paulino had never thrown six shutout innings in his goddam life, and probably never will do again. If these guys were doing normal jobs, they’d be given an official warning. But I can’t exactly see Joe G calling them into the Binder room this morning and asking them to explain their shortcomings. I guess the fat cats are just not hungry anymore. Robbo was failing one time in many tens of outings. These guys – notably Teixeira, A-Rod and Cano – are failing night after night.

  28. blake May 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    “To me its more the pull mentality. I see nothing “mechanically that can’t be changed — the main thing (to me) is he’s dropping his back shoulder. That’s not correctable?”

    Its his swing plane….and the way he collapses his back side is part of that…..the reason Jeter can go the other way so well is because of how flat his swing plane is and how long he keeps the bat in the zone…..it akways him to let the pitch get really deep in the zone before he makes contact…..Tex is the opposite…..his swing is down and up amd only in the zone for a split second……for him to hit the other way it would require such perfect timing that its not really practical …..

  29. blake May 10th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Tex has two options IMO…..he can try and actually change his swing so that he can hit the ball to LF (just changing his approach wont do it because his swing doesnt allow it now)…..or he can just say screw the opposite field……swing the way he does now and try to hit homers and walk left handed…….honestly i dont know if he can do the first one at his age so the second might be the only way to go…..its sucks but perhaps thats the reality.

  30. 86w183 May 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    I understand what he’s doing wrong, I just don’t accept your notion that it can’t be fixed. If he had good swing mechanics before 2010 he can have them again.

    His uppercut gets bigger and bigger because he has a mindset to pull EVERYTHING. I’ve talked with college and pro hitting coaches about this, one of whom is a current hitting coach in MLB who has watched him. He says the first thing he would suggest is to get balance into his stance which now has about 80% or more of his weight on his back foot.

  31. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Tex needs to bat 6th v. RHP, now.

  32. blake May 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “I understand what he’s doing wrong, I just don’t accept your notion that it can’t be fixed. If he had good swing mechanics before 2010 he can have them again.”

    He didnt have good swing mechanics before 2010…..they were just slightly better and he was in his physical prime and could overcome a lot more……hes always had an ugly LH swing……and Im not saying it cant be fixed…..just saying it would take pretty significant changes……and at 32…..thats not as easy as it sounds.

  33. darbodla May 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    This isn’t brain surgery, weight on his back foot and more movement than anyone I can think of. Bat waggle, hip sway, front thigh rock, he’s a picture of how not to set up.

    But just as importantly it’s his attitude; you’ve heard it in interviews. He’s arrogant, defensive and smug. “Look at the back of my baseball card in October.” (but pay no attention to the games my lousy situational hitting cost the team before then).

    And he sees himself as a home run hitter. He likes the uppercut swing He is stubborn as a rock.

    Of course, if you really do take the time to check the back of his baseball card; you will see that the last four years his BA and OBP has dropped steadily. But what beat reporter is actually going to ask him about that? Right. No one.

  34. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    The other thing that maybe should be considered at some point is to bat RH against all pitching.

  35. willwill May 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Has tex ever thought about giving up batting left handed? this is pitiful

  36. 86w183 May 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    darbodla — bingo!

  37. blake May 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    ‘He says the first thing he would suggest is to get balance into his stance which now has about 80% or more of his weight on his back foot.”

    I agree…..but actually the first thibg youd have to do is convince him that he has to totally remake the way he swings the bat left handed…..and thats not always easy to do.

  38. willwill May 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    wow… crazy Rich, i was just thinking that i didn’t read previous replies

  39. mick May 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    nobody has lost faith in robo.
    that is a figment of the imagination of the pollyanna brigade.
    as usual, it has been blown out of proportion by the likes of the anti-troll(s) who serve that same purpose.

    it’s a cause for concern and discussion re: our new closer (co-closer?) concerning his high pitch count.

  40. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    “wow… crazy Rich, i was just thinking that i didn’t read previous replies”

    I don’t think it will happen though. Making $23m a year and hitting 30+ HR probably enables him to think that things are good enough. Now, if the is ever benched v. RHP, but they have no one better right now.

  41. blake May 10th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Tex looks like right handed person swinging with the wrong hand……just a super talented one that made up for it for years because of talent and strength.

  42. blake May 10th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    “The other thing that maybe should be considered at some point is to bat RH against all pitching.”

    I used to be opposed to it…..it may come to that at some poibt though.

  43. 86w183 May 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I don’t know how to research this, but I’d bet his percentage of hits to CF & LF prior to 2010 is a helluvalot higher than what it’s been the last 3-plus seasons.

  44. blake May 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    If youre right handed….try and swing somethibg left handed……the first instinct is to drop you back shoulder and swing up because it feels more natural.

  45. Cashmoney May 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    NY sports coverage are it’s new low this morning…. I see 20 retarded headline reassuring or doomsaying over a rookie closer’s one blown saves, yet almost zero questions was posed to Joe about not bunting Thurman Martin in a tight game and the continuing lack of adjustments from tex. Honestly are we all watching the same f’king ballgame or is the entire media and Joe just rather look the other way and are too afraid to ask the pertinent and salient questions.

  46. DONNYBROOK May 10th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    1st off, let’s Stop the word games. Sure, it’s a “blown save”. But more importantly, it’s a “blown GAME”. And it’s a “blown game” against a team in your own Division. Now let’s get down to the “flash point” of the Game. 9th inning, tie game, 2 out, 1-2 on the hitter, and a base open. NO WAY does the Chucker serve up a Meat Ball in that scenario. NO WAY. ALL the pressure is on The Stick. Last night’s failure on the part of Robertson was strictly Mental. He basically Folded a Royal Flush, Before allowing his opponent to Muck his own hand. Resolving between-the-ears issues, are Far easier to fix than physical ones. Robertson will be fine.

  47. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    86w183

    I don’t have time right now, but that data is on MLB.com

  48. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    “Last night’s failure on the part of Robertson was strictly Mental. He basically Folded a Royal Flush”

    What’s Robertson having for breakfast right no?

  49. ac1 May 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    The other thing that maybe should be considered at some point is to bat RH against all pitching.

    ______

    Suggested this should be a consideration weeks ago….

  50. Cashmoney May 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    OT, I was at a table when a guy took literally 10 mins to call an opponent’s all in while holding quad queens cuz he thought the guy might have a royal flush for grand sum of 70k, it turned out he was right.

  51. Bo knows May 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    1st off, let’s Stop the word games. Sure, it’s a “blown save”. But more importantly, it’s a “blown GAME”. And it’s a “blown game” against a team in your own Division. Now let’s get down to the “flash point” of the Game. 9th inning, tie game, 2 out, 1-2 on the hitter, and a base open. NO WAY does the Chucker serve up a Meat Ball in that scenario. NO WAY. ALL the pressure is on The Stick. Last night’s failure on the part of Robertson was strictly Mental. He basically Folded a Royal Flush, Before allowing his opponent to Muck his own hand. Resolving between-the-ears issues, are Far easier to fix than physical ones. Robertson will be fine.

    ———————-
    Communication is transmit – receive – clear signal.

    I would say your transmission is garbled. Strength – 6 readability – .05.

    Between all the schmozzle, the Caps, the cutesies – I don’t know what the hell you’re saying.

  52. randy l. May 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    “If youre right handed….try and swing somethibg left handed……the first instinct is to drop you back shoulder and swing up because it feels more natural.”

    blake-

    take a look at this video and see if you notice something different from the next one i’ll post:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  53. randy l. May 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUcay7VQUv0

    watch this one too

    and then watch the next one with the yankees.

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    They think he’s Thurman Munson. Wouldn’t you let Thurman Munson swing on 2-0?

    ///

    Would have let Phelps keep going last night. He’d already used Sori/DRob the night before. Latter threw 25 pitches in the Nova game, probably a little tired. No concerns at all about DRob.

    Phelps pitched a very good game, although admittedly I was half attentive, as was watching Betances outing, which was comically dominant. The difference between the earlier starts and now is he did not really have his fastball yet. Last night had that riding/rising action and getting the customary swings and misses on it that had been missing while he built arm strength, and set against his other stuff diving down in the zone, it’s overwhelming for hitters, especially when he’s throwing strike one like that. Offsetting the curve and change up, which was very good yesterday, having the fastball coming back I would expect and look forward to one of those unhittable stretches. What I liked too was on the first pitch of the game, when he gave up the homer, he was leaning on the back leg a bit. He corrected that pretty well the rest of the game and it was 2010 all over again.

    Have no idea what velo was, but my guess is that’s also on the rise.
    ///

    Getting ready to go to the city for a four-day Yankee weekend. Looking forward to a C-Price duel tonight (watch it be a 7-5 game, lol: as long as we have the 7), the return of The Son, of course on the weekend games, and that of the Legendary Andy Pettitte on Sunday. Glad I will be there for all of it.

  55. randy l. May 10th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    42 seconds into video for his teixeira’s left handed at bat

    there is a totally dramatic difference between his old left handed swing with the braves and rangers and his new yankee swing.

    you’ll see it immediately

  56. blake May 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    “take a look at this video and see if you notice something different from the next one i’ll post:”

    He didnt collapse as badly then….but the main difference to me is he looked younger and his bat speed looked better in that Braves uniform…….i dont think his LH swing has ever been really set up to go the other way with regularity ……he can hit the ball in the air that way….tough for hin to hit line drives or ground balls to beat rhe shift.

  57. longtimefan May 10th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Only time will tell if Robertson can handle the 9th inning. Physically he certainly has the ability putting up tremendous numbers in the 8th but closing is two dimensional-ability and mental
    toughness–no one will ever replace Mo–he was blessed with both of the ingredients to be successful. Many other pitches of great ability could not handle the pressures of closing especially in NY–hopefully Mo mentored Robertson well enough for him to bounce back on his next turn. It didn’t help that once again the offense took the night off.

  58. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Good morning,

    My two cents:

    1) Even though i don’t like to bunt. With Martin on the plate and two men on base with no outs, i think he should have bunted. It was the second or third inning so i don’t blame Girardi for not doing it. In hindsight is very easy to second guess him. One thing is clear, he can’t hit a lick.

    2)I am not worried with Drob, he will be fine. The only regret i have is that by losing Mo we actually lost two pitchers ( our closer and our best High leverage situation pitcher ). Girardi wil be forced to either go longer with the SP or Wade will have a significant more important role, let’s hope he is up to it.

    3) About Tex, I’ve said it many times so i am not going to re-post it. But he is what he is, he should be dropped in the line up against RHP or bat only right handed.

    4) I am very concerned on how one dimensional this offense has become. They no longer take long at bats and their situational hitting approach is poor to put it kindly. They have become an all or nothing offense with very few exceptions ( Jeter, Arod, Swisher at least for now and finally Cano).

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    I see no issues with Robertson’s “mental toughness.” He’s just got a lot of Kerry Wood in him.

    Tex’s LH swing seems like a caricature of what it once was; more back foot weight and more severe uppercut. His bat is slower now, too. If he wants to remake it, and let the ball travel deeper to help him use more of the field, he’s going to have to rediscover some batspeed. Maybe luis’s suggestion to become exclusively RH is actually less radical than it would be to think he could undergo a complete makeover.

  60. blake May 10th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Randy,

    Yea….he was a little more closed back then and stayed upright better…..but the thing that jumped out at me more than anything….especially from the Braves video was the decrease in bat speed frow then to now…..its pretty drastic…..some of it might be because hes collapsing more and its creating a longer path to the ball…..but some of it might just be physical decline.

  61. Cashmoney May 10th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    What I think what surprised Drob about last night was how aggressively the Rays swung bat early against him. Honestly I would not want to be in a deep count against drob either. the pitches he execute against Pena was almost impossible to defend against. I cant totally discount closing 9th does have dif mental effects on some more than other,in that aspect of it, it is my opinion that drob are more than apt to handle. but, time will tell indeed. Just a opinion from this one particular Yankee fan.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    The focus on Robertson sort of misses the point, but what else is new. :roll:

  63. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Randy,

    The main thing is that his back leg didn’t collapse like it is now, which in turns exacerbates the uppercut tendency he naturally has. If it is due to age or wanting to clear the short porch, i don’t know.

  64. randy l. May 10th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “but the main difference to me is he looked younger and his bat speed looked better in that Braves uniform…”

    blake-

    sorry, didn’t mean to be cryptic about it, but teixeira was totally letting go with his top hand in the old swings with teh braves and angels, and rangers.

    in the 2011 yankee video, he’s holding on with both hands on all left handed swings.

    this is a dramatic difference and it had to be a conscious change. we know long has granderson holding on with two hands which has worked out great. did he make this change with teixeira?

    or did teixeira do it on his own?

    but this is a huge change that only happens when the hitter on purpose decide to make that change.

    in the old videos he held on with both hands righty and let go with one hand lefty

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Trying to go the other way out of the current stance and swing is actually a disaster for Tex. He should just try to hit the ball over the shift or use the offseason to put his shoulder to the wheel and totally change it up. Or become a strictly RHB.

  66. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    The focus on Robertson sort of misses the point, but what else is new. :roll:

    ==========================

    Hi JAP!,

    Right on point….The focus should have been on how the offense have become so one dimensional, to the point that they no longer take long, good at bats. The only highlight offensively speaking was how well Cano went the other way to bring Jeter home and what a heads up base runner Jeter is.

    The rest of the game was about most of the hitters trying to pull pitches only to roll over them and hit them softly to the right side of the infield, with very few exceptions (Arod and Swisher).

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Hey gang, something makes me think I’m one of the only Yankee fans following the Clemens trial. Anyway, just read this interesting tidbit:

    Yankees GM Brian Cashman is outside courtroom, apparently preparing to testify in perjury trial.

    Obviously no idea what his testimony will be.

  68. djsunyc May 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    i’ve been saying this for the past 2 years, the heir apparent to mo is hughes…not drob…

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Primo!

    Yup, since ALDS, these problems have persisted (and even before that). No Posada against RHP and no Son, though, so it’s worse now with no real relief in sight. Hoping some youngster fast tempos his way to the Bronx or they find something out there without coughing up the farm….

    Good news, though: Dellin looked like Dellin last night; Manny’s healthy…. :D :D

    Heading out soon.

  70. darbodla May 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Cashman’s going to be under oath? That’s funny.

  71. blake May 10th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    “in the 2011 yankee video, he’s holding on with both hands on all left handed swings.”

    Yea…but im not sure thats thr primary issue…..thats after contact…..all the main issues IMO are leading up to and through contact…..again the first thing that jumped out at me whwn i watched that first video with the Braves was how much more bat speed he had then….

  72. blake May 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Trying to go the other way out of the current stance and swing is actually a disaster for Tex. He should just try to hit the ball over the shift or use the offseason to put his shoulder to the wheel and totally change it up. Or become a strictly RHB.”

    Totally agree. Did you see Betances last night? Give us a report.

  73. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Primo!

    Yup, since ALDS, these problems have persisted (and even before that). No Posada against RHP and no Son, though, so it’s worse now with no real relief in sight. Hoping some youngster fast tempos his way to the Bronx or they find something out there without coughing up the farm….

    Good news, though: Dellin looked like Dellin last night; Manny’s healthy…. :D :D

    Heading out soon.

    ==========================

    Did you see them pitch?…You were right about that once the weather heats up, they would be fine. Let’s just hope they don’t find anything appealing out there, i want this kids to play for the Yankees for a change. I still remember my comment in January, that they would have to trade them for a bat come the trade deadline. I am praying that i am wrong and this offense starts to hit the way they are supposed to hit.

  74. blake May 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    One way or another…..if Tex cant improve then the Yanks need to stop pretending and replace the production they thought they were going to get with him……

  75. Against All Odds May 10th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    djsunyc May 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    i’ve been saying this for the past 2 years, the heir apparent to mo is hughes…not drob…

    ———————

    What makes you feel that way?

  76. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Blake,

    The main issue is the collapsing of the back leg….look at the braves video how leveled the stance was at contact…Nowadays, the collapsing has increased and in turn the uppercut is more pronounced.

  77. Bronx Jeers May 10th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    @YankeesWFAN: AAA Yankees have a day game and Brett Gardner is not with them. Might be safe to assume he’ll be activated tonight.

  78. blake May 10th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “The main issue is the collapsing of the back leg….look at the braves video how leveled the stance was at contact…Nowadays, the collapsing has increased and in turn the uppercut is more pronounced.”

    Yea i agree….its more pronounced now for sure….but Im afraid there is some physical decline involved as well….

  79. darbodla May 10th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “Replace the production”. How? The Yankees have Tex and his no-trade through 2016 not to mention the $90 million dollar obligation. All you can do is drop him in the order or nix the switch hitting. Hardly earth shattering benefits to the team with likely a sourpuss player.

  80. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Jeers,

    That’s music to my ears….We need some youth in that lineup

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    you see them pitch?…You were right about that once the weather heats up, they would be fine. Let’s just hope they don’t find anything appealing out there, i want this kids to play for the Yankees for a change. I still remember my comment in January, that they would have to trade them for a bat come the trade deadline. I am praying that i am wrong and this offense starts to hit the way they are supposed to hit.

    ////

    Wasn’t there, just watched their starts on milb. Wrote a little about Dellin’s start above. He had it going on last night but key is that fastball has returned. He wasn’t himself in the two starts I attended; weather, early, missing fastball, arm strength not there. All conspire to exacerbate mechanical issues for someone with Betances’ size …

    I’m pumped for C/Son/Pettitte weekend :D :D :D .

  82. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Blake,

    I wrote that i don’t know why is happening, i would tend to agree that aging has a lot o do with it. Usually when you age your tendencies take over, because you are no longer able to overcome them. If that’s the case, he should bat right handed only.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    If anybody’s watching the SWB games on milb:

    Francisco “The Babe” Cervelli
    Kevin “The Mick” Russo
    Brett “Dimag” Gardner
    Dellin “Ellie” Betances

    LOL.

  84. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    I’m pumped for C/Son/Pettitte weekend :D :D :D .

    =========================

    :( I envy you….If i didn’t have to postponed the trip to Europe due to the sickness i had, i would have been right there with you.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    blake,

    Agree age with its stealing steps is upon Tex LH, which makes him untenable from that side, at least in short term.

    luis, you were way out in front on him changing to a RH-only hitter.

    Heading out, folks. C brings it tonight and we take the series!

  86. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Teix’s collapsing from the left side has definitely increased and that upper cut doesn’t permit him to stay back. He has 3 hits to left this year out of 16. Thankfully, tonight he bats righty vs. Price.

    Very good game by Dealin’, but I was working, so I didn’t get a chance to watch it yet. Probably won’t until after this weekend, as I too am at the Stadium for most of the weekend.

    As for DRob, just media doing its usual hype job: he will be fine and as I have been saying I think Soriano will too; he has just needed reps to fine tune his command. I am not at all worried about the pen or the SP. On the other hand, the O is the same one minus Posada’s and Montero’s bats that we watched last year…

    C. needs to give us innings tonight and I expect him to be at his best. Last time I saw Price pitch at the Stadium was at Jeter’s 3,000 hit game. Pumped to win 2 of 3, then on to the young upstart Mariners and King Felix. #lovebaseballinthebronx

  87. blake May 10th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Test

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    luis, He Who Shall Not Be Named returns for an encore in early August. Didn’t realize they come in twice, this year.
    ///

    Good robust convo this morning, wish I wasn’t rushing out. Good to see discussion about the team (rather than about the posters). Thanks for the links, Randy, on Tex.

    Adios amigos (y mi primo, luis!)

  89. blake May 10th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “Replace the production”. How? The Yankees have Tex and his no-trade through 2016 not to mention the $90 million dollar obligation.”

    Well not trading Montero woukd have helped….but thats out….and they wont spend any money…so i have no idea….figure it out Cash….

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Last time I saw Price pitch at the Stadium was at Jeter’s 3,000 hit game.
    ///

    Yankfem – Jeter encore? :D
    Drop everything and watch Betances! The Dellinator! :D

    See you in the Bronx!

  91. luis May 10th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Take care my friend…Have a good one wherever you go.

  92. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Pruf, I would love to watch the Dellinator, but not on an iphone. Great weekend ahead. Pumped to see the lefty matchup tonight, the Son and King Felix tomorrow, and especially Andy back. And hoping Gardy is back. And yeah, Jeet does love hitting against Price: .317/.378/.512… 7/9/11 #magical day. See you there!

  93. luis May 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Hi YF!,

    Good to see you around!. I’ll try to watch in MiLB the games, i hope it doesn’t freezes on me in the second inning as usual ;) Right on point your assessment of last night game. I hope there are no panic moves in our future to try to fix the offense, i don’t think there is anything out there worth our pitching prospects.

  94. randy l. May 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    blake -

    i believe letting go with one hand is a huge mechanical difference.

    your original idea about if you swing on your less dominant side you tend you drop the back shoulder got me thinking about it so i watched teixeira’s videos.

    a hitter can decide to make either hand dominant. for example when i hit lefty, i use my right hand as my dominant feel hand. my right hand or top hand goes along for the ride. i do let go being a charlie lau disciple .

    if i wanted to emphasize my right hand feel or top hand, letting go wouldn’t be a complimentary swing thought because i’m letting go with the top hand. so teixeira likewise way back when he let go with his top hand was almost for sure a right hand dominant(lower hand) hitter when hitting left handed.

    there are things that happen when you let go with one hand that affect the bat head. if a hitter lets go a beat too quick the bat head drops significantly and then goes way up high on the follow through creating the helicopter whirlybird effect. not good.

    this probably messes with the shoulders too. its complicated what the letting go does to shoulder plane , but i’d be really surprised if it didn’t affect it.

    here’s my simple premise which comes from starting to think about why teixeira’s shoulder drops which you prompted.

    teixeira has made a dramatic switch with the yankees to holding on with both hands as has gardner and granderson. it’s obviously worked for granderson and to a degree gardner, but it isn’t working for teixeira.

    i believe teixeira should go back to letting go with one hand because that’s what he did when he was really good. he should try it. nothing more complicated than that.

    if long is encouraging teixeira to hold on with both hands then there will be some conflict there, but like jeter found out, sometimes you have to do it your own way.

    i’m not blaming long for this . teixeira makes the final decision on how to hit. it’s his choice.

    i’ll have to watch more video . i ‘d like to know when teixeira stopped letting go with his top hand left handed and started holding on with both hands.

    i’ve hit both ways. holding on and letting go and they are very different feels. look at granderson. would you say it doesn’t matter if he lets go or not because you et go after contact ideally?

    we know long wants grandersin holding on with both hands. he seems to preach it. i’ve often seen long after a hitter holds on with a good hit , demonstrate the holding on with an air swing showing someone else in the dugout.

    i think at the very least, the question of when teixeira started swinging with both hands holding on lefthanded as a yankee should be found out. the next question would be why and who encouraged it if anyone.

  95. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    ” I envy you….If i didn’t have to postponed the trip to Europe due to the sickness i had, i would have been right there with you.”

    Luis, I know you will be in the Bronx in spirit. Looks like we should be getting some beautiful weather for once…

    Pumped to see Kuroda-san live. I have never seen him pitch. Hoping the Japanese contingent comes out to support him tomorrow. I am going to go check out my Japanese base ball buds over at Ennju (japanese cafe) in Union Square. #ennju plug! ;)

  96. Bronx Jeers May 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Cashman sworn in.

    Answering basic questions now.

  97. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “YankeesWFAN AAA Yankees have a day game and Brett Gardner is not with them. Might be safe to assume …” that Gardy is baaack!

    Does Binder Joe start him against the lefty Price though?

  98. luis May 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    YF,

    I would love a first hand report on Kuroda-san…I think he will do incredibly well. I will be right there with you guys…If you can, please take a sign that says the following:

    “Jesus, todos los Yankee Fans del mundo te queremos de vuelta. Regresa con nosotros en 6 anos por favor”

    Make sure he reads it

  99. blake May 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    “look at granderson. would you say it doesn’t matter if he lets go or not because you let go after contact ideally?”

    I think the primary reason hes better is because he reduced movement and shortened his path to the ball…..but that doesnt mean there isnt something to what youre saying……Tex is a bottom hand hitter left handed…he always has been….my guess is that they tried to gst him using more top hand by keeping it on the hand after contact…..maybe that is contributing to his struggles…who knows.

  100. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Luis, lol. We can call it the six year plan. ;)

  101. DONNYBROOK May 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    You Laymen attemting to disect the swing of a MLB player that hit 39 HR’s last season, is a notoriously Slow starter, and is Sick, makes me giggle. Reminds me of The Three Stooges in, “A Plumbing We Will Go”. Better confiscate the sharp object before someone gets hurt.

  102. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    The Charleston kids coming up to the show is the 3 year plan. :)


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