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Postgame notes: “It felt like I never left. It really did.”

Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Misc on May 13, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

From a results standpoint, Andy Pettitte’s return didn’t end as he’d hoped. He pitched 6 1/3 sometimes good, sometimes shaky innings in a 6-2 loss to the Mariners on Sunday. But other fears — things that were to be expected for a 39-year old pitching for the first time in 19 months, things like swirling emotions, rust and decreased velocity — were nonexistent.

“It felt good,” Pettitte said. “It felt like I never left. It really did.”

Once the game started, Pettitte fell into a familiar rhythm. His manager and teammates who were here in 2010 were caught up, too, welcoming back an old friend as if this was just another day at the park.

“To me, it looked like he hadn’t missed a beat,” Joe Girardi said.

That’s not to say Pettitte was perfect. He was decidedly imperfect and admitted so, particularly on a cutter to Justin Smoak in the fourth that caught too much plate and ended up in the left field stands. But he said a lack of command with his four-seam fastball took away the effectiveness of his cutter.

Pettitte also left with the belief he’ll regain that command as well some velocity. He already hit between 87 and 89 on the gun, but he expects to have more as he progresses deeper into the season.

Amidst nearly 20 minutes of questions and answers breaking down this one start, Pettitte was asked if he worried the sharpness and velocity might never return after so long away from the mound. Again, he said today wasn’t any different from a start in May or October of 2010.

He was simply playing along.

“I’m nitpicking this one start because I know that’s what we’re here to do today,” Pettitte said.

He knew this wasn’t a regular day. It just felt like it to him.

Andy Pettitte:

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• The money quote from Pettitte’s postgame? There were a few. But Yankee fans will like this one most. He was asked about whether or not the return has been a success, but, as a late 90s Yankee, he figured it was far too soon to judge that.

“I feel like I’ll be able to say if this was a success or not in October,” he said.

• According to Elias, Pettitte became the oldest player to appear in a game with the Yankees after not playing in the Majors the previous season since Bert Campaneris did at 41 in 1983.

Russell Martin caught Pettitte in a real game for the first time today. Martin called for some off-speed stuff in the sixth and Pettitte shook him off. He later regretted it, knowing that mixing up his pitches could’ve led to an earlier escape.

Russell Martin:

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• Girardi said the club will have a better gauge on Pettitte after it watches him recover for subsequent starts. He pitched on extra rest today, but will start again in five days.

Joe Girardi:

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• Girardi said he will not drop Mark Teixeira in the order despite the first baseman’s season-long struggles. He went 1 for 4 today, including a strike out with the bases loaded in the eighth and the Yankees down just 4-2. Even his hit only traveled about 50 feet.

“I’m going to leave him there,” Girardi said, noting that Tex’s 17 RBI are still good for fourth on the team.

• Teixeira hasn’t led his lack of hitting impact his defense. He turned a key double play in the sixth to help Pettitte escape a bases loaded jam in the sixth.

Of course, the Yankees grounded into three double plays of their own, including two by Derek Jeter. They were rendered ineffective by Kevin Millwood, who pitched seven strong innings to win his first of the year after entering 0-4 with a 5.88 ERA.

“He’s pitched a lot better than his numbers indicate,” Seattle manager Eric Wedge said. “He’s had a few bad innings, but he pitched a big ballgame for us. I thought he was outstanding today.”

• We’re accustomed to final lines on pitchers, but here’s the final line on Jesus Montero in his return to Yankee Stadium: 2 for 10, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 R, 2 BB, 2 K. He caught two games and the Yankees were 1 for 1 on stolen base attempts.

• Jeter went 1 for 4, recording career hit No. 3,142. He passed Tony Gwynn and tied Robin Yount for 16th place on MLB’s all-time hit list.

Curtis Granderson played in his 1,000th game today and is one of 10 Yankees on the active roster (or DL) with at least 1,000 games played.

Nick Swisher snapped a career-long 0-for-21 skid with runners on base with a fifth-inning single.

Robinson Cano went 0 for 3 and had his 10-game hitting streak snapped.

• Final line on Yankee starters this homestand: 40.2 IP, 4-1, 1.99 ERA, 35 H, 9 ER, 14 BB, 29 K.

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647 Responses to “Postgame notes: “It felt like I never left. It really did.””

  1. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    but Ive missed my mother dearly for the past twenty years. For those that still have mothers, cherish them.

    ———————-

    Very well said Tom.

  2. CompassRosy May 13th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    REPOST:

    randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    “luis-

    i could however see a veteran like millwood get ticked off at a young catcher if things keep going wrong for him.

    the catcher is an easy excuse when a guy like millwood does badly.

    not saying millwood would do that though.

    i don’t know anything about his character.

    but the rookie would be an easy target.

    every catcher goes through it though so it’s part of montero’s learning experience.
    the only way to get experience is ti play.”

    ~

    Interesting you should mention this Randy. I was just thinking back to Millwood’s last start in Seattle (a 4-6 loss to the Tigers) where he and Montero weren’t even reading the same book, let alone on the same page. Wedge commented after that game that it’s all part of the learning process and that it was good to see Montero go to the mound when he was unsure, etc.

    Then in today’s postgame, I heard Millwood mention that he and Montero had talked since that game as well as each talked to the pitching coach. Millwood said, [paraphrased]…
    “I don’t feel like I should have to call pitches from the mound and I didn’t have to do that today. He did a much better job and got locked in there for awhile.

    Of course, Millwood also gave credit to his DEE ~ as he should have.

    oh – Millwood also gave a tip o’ the cap to Pettitte and his perseverance.

  3. luis May 13th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    luis May 13th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    luis

    Repost

    You have to choose very carefully. ;)

    Overaggressive baserunning aside (a small deal in the scheme of things), I liked what I saw from Swisher today both offensively and defensively.

    ===============================

    Yup, Swish hit the ball very well today and made a couple of plays on the field. One to prevent a runner to advance and the beautiful cut he made to prevent a ball from going all the way to the fence. He should be protecting Cano.

  4. tomingeorgia May 13th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    AAO,
    Thanks.

  5. luis May 13th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Ditto Tom

  6. tomingeorgia May 13th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    You, too, luis.

  7. blake May 13th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    “blake…..Hamilton did whiff The Whammer, GB tells that story every once in awhile when it’s late here…..He was just a kid when he watched this event”

    Pat M,

    If you had to pick one for a season and were assured both eould stay healthy…..would ypu take Hamilton or Mr. Kemp?

    Happy belated mother’s day to all.

  8. blake May 13th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    For those that dont know….Hamilton probably could have struck out the whammer really…..he threw about 95 from the left side in high school…the only question about him as a prep player was if he was going to be a star pitcher or a star hitter.

  9. JobaTipsHisCap May 13th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Middle of lineup sucks, they are the worst in all the big league teams.

  10. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    “Middle of lineup sucks, they are the worst in all the big league teams.”

    No they’re not, but the bright side is that they have the pieces to reconstruct the middle of the order if they so choose.

  11. blake May 13th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    “Middle of lineup sucks, they are the worst in all the big league teams.”

    You really should watch some other teams play sometime….

  12. luis May 13th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Blake,

    Are you talking about Roy Hobbs? The Natural?…Is Hamilton that good?

  13. CompassRosy May 13th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    Not one word about Abe Almonte in Trenton – and his performance today. . . .

    ~

    3/4 with a homer and 2 RBI – not bad.

    Funny, the M’s have an “Almonte” too – Denny (not Danny, the controversial Little Leaguer)
    Looks like Abe and Denny have a lot in common (save for their frames)…
    they are about the same age, both switch-hitting OF’s playing for their org’s AA affiliate with similar numbers (looks like Denny needs to cut down on the K’s though)

  14. blake May 13th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    “Are you talking about Roy Hobbs? The Natural?…Is Hamilton that good?”

    Straight up ability hes about as close as you get just looking at tools……I wish his career had unfolded differently …..it coukd have been special…..but hey….Roy Hobbs lost a lot of years also…..

  15. Jerkface May 13th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Hamilton has/had it all. Speed, power, arm, glove, bat. He can even throw 94 as a lefty.

  16. tomingeorgia May 13th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    luis,
    I know your time is 1/2 and hour off any US time. What time is it in Venezuela? It’s 6:24 EDT here right now. Just curious.

  17. RMS May 13th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Straight up ability hes about as close as you get just looking at tools……I wish his career had unfolded differently …..it coukd have been special…..but hey….Roy Hobbs lost a lot of years also…..

    ————————————————————————————–
    I sincerely hope Josh will not relapse again.

  18. Pat M. May 13th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    blake……..You’re hypothetical scenario is rather interesting………I saw Mantle in the 60′s when much of his magical powers had abandoned him and the same holds true for Willie & Henry……I always saw the best ballplayer that I’ve ever seen was Ken Griffey Jr. and that all changed the day he shattered his wrist against the wall…….Now as for Kemp who is faster and the better athlete but hits from the right side or Josh Hamilton ????? For one year 2012, I’ll take the power and excitement that is Roy Hobbs ………I’ll forever remember the HR derby in 08 bat The Old Stadium……..Get the Hamilton kid, & get him now !!!!!

  19. luis May 13th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Tom,

    It is 5:57 pm right now

  20. blake May 13th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    “I’ll take the power and excitement that is Roy Hobbs ………I’ll forever remember the HR derby in 08 bat The Old Stadium……..Get the Hamilton kid, & get him now !!!!!”

    That was one of the most awesome things ive ever seen…..i cant stand the Rangers but Hamilton is one of my favorite players to watch….id love to see what he could do with that short porch…..Im certainly not expecting it but id love for the Yabks to get creative witha ckntract offer….

  21. tomingeorgia May 13th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Thanks, luis. so you”re half an hour behind US Eastern time. As I said, just curious.

  22. blake May 13th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    And if you think hes impressive now…..you shoukd have seen him hit a baseball with the -5 aluminum bats from the late 90s……scary.

  23. luis May 13th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Only in summer time, then i am half an hour ahead ;)

  24. tomingeorgia May 13th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    No daylight saving time?

  25. luis May 13th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Tom,

    Since we are so close to the equator, there is no need. Our days don’t change that much from winter to summer. The sun goes down about 5:30 pm in winter and around 6:15 in summer.

  26. mick May 13th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Jeter-Cano-Swisher-Grandy-Arod-Ibanez/Jones-Tex-Martin-Gardy

  27. NYY fan in NH May 13th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    On a bright note, Manny B. really looks like he’s regaining the form that made him the top pitching prospect.

  28. tomingeorgia May 13th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    luis,
    I should have known that. Thanks for the geography lesson!

  29. luis May 13th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Same thing with the sunrise there is an about half an hour change between seasons. Not that we have seasons down here, we only have rainy or not rainy season. Even though it hasn’t stop raining for three years now.

  30. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    ARod-Swisher-Jeter-Cano-Granderson-Ibanez/Jones-Tex-Stewie-Gardner

  31. lounge lizard May 13th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Stat flashed in Giants-Dbacks game:

    Most multi-hit games MLB 2012:

    Derek Jeter 17
    Melky Cabrera 17 (.348 BA)

    As desparate as the Giants have been for offense, and as much money as they rake in at the gate, hard to see them letting Melky walk in FA.

  32. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    If they could convince Tex to waive his no-trade and if they could find a taker for him, Josh Hamilton becomes more of a realistic possibility. But since it’s impossible to move Tex, it’s not realistic IMHO. He loves sucking in NY. He’s dedicated himself to it.

  33. tomingeorgia May 13th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    luis,
    Been raining all day, and is supposed to keep raining until Wednesday. We’ve been in a five-year drought, so it’s a blessing. See you tomorrow!

  34. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Jeter,Arod,Cano,Granderson,Swisher,Tex,Ibanez/Jones,Stewie, Gardy.

  35. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Take care Tom!, have a good one!

  36. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Who has more hits Josh Hamilton or Melky Cabrera? No peeking.

  37. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Melky will be the one to decide if he wants to leave.

  38. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    True. It’s been said that Cole Hamels is a SoCal guy so he might lean towards the West Coast teams. One can make a case that Josh Hamilton feels a sense of loyalty to Texas and they’re the team to beat. They have a small park and a great situation.

    But what about Melky? Where does Melky want to go? Nobody has pondered that question.

  39. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    As long as Girardi is the manager, i don’t think Melky makes it back to the Yankees.

  40. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    That may be true, luis, but I see resource allocation as a bigger problem.

    And if you’re right, I think at some point either him or Cashman will have to leave, because Cashman is capable of admitting mistakes, and the other guy seems unable or unwilling to do that.

  41. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    That may be true, luis, but I see resource allocation as a bigger problem.

    And if you’re right, I think at some point either him or Cashman will have to leave, because Cashman is capable of admitting mistakes, and the other guy seems unable or unwilling to do that.

    =================================

    Rich,

    I don’t think they will be able to afford him either, if he keeps raking like he is doing he is going to cost even more than Swisher. About Cash and Girardi, yeah eventually either or both of them will leave, but i don’t think is going to be in time to be able to sign Melky :(

  42. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Melky can’t possibly parlay a 2-year track record of production into a bigger contract than Swish because Swisher has performed at a high level for many more years. Melky won’t get much more than Alex Gordon who cashed in on one good year.

  43. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Bret,

    He is younger and i think he has more upside at this point, but i could be wrong though

  44. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Swish has a longer track record of proven production so he is a safer gamble to make a large multiyear investment. It’s not safe to gamble big dollars and long contracts on guys like Alex Gordon – that’s why he got 10 million instead of 15 which is what Swish will get. Swish will get 5 years 75 million.

  45. lounge lizard May 13th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Certainly will be Melky’s decision. But I think the Giants will make a very generous offer if he keeps it up. They have money and will have a hard time with the fanbase if they let a hitter walk.

  46. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Melky could get 5 years 55 million unless he wins the NL batting title. Then he gets a Swisher contract.

  47. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Probably true, luis. Unless he turns things around offensively, there is no reason to bring Martin back, so there would be savings there. He seems intent on hitting a HR as often as possible, which more often than not results in a ground out (53.0 % GB). Contrast that with Ibanez, who even at almost 40, can still square the ball up much, much better than Martin can, even if he overswings a lot.

  48. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Giving Swisher $15m for 5 is nuts.

  49. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Lounge Lizard,

    The Giants have lots of money tied up in Lincecum and Cain. They might be better off distributing the remains more evenly across the diamond. Also, notice how the Royals dealt Melky yet extended Franceour. Why would they have picked Francour over Melky? Or did they? Did they try to lock up both but hit a wall with Melky? Was Melky more inclined to test free agency and the Royals knew it so they dealt him?

  50. Niblick May 13th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Yanks rank in OPS within the AL, by batting order (1 – 9):

    1, 1, 3, 4, 12, 2, 1, 6 7

    Guess who’s the sore thumb sticking out in the fifth position? The same guy that Idiot Joe refuses to move down in the order.

  51. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Probably true, luis. Unless he turns things around offensively, there is no reason to bring Martin back, so there would be savings there. He seems intent on hitting a HR as often as possible, which more often than not results in a ground out (53.0 % GB). Contrast that with Ibanez, who even at almost 40, can still square the ball up much, much better than Martin can, even if he overswings a lot.

    ================================

    In my assumptions i was already discounting Martin out of the equation. I figured that they would give an extension to Cano (20 mil per year for six? on top of his current contract) and Granderson (17 mil per year for 3?), the length i am not sure. They save some without Martin, but still need to find a replacement, unless you are willing to go with Cervelli/Stewie combo.

    I am a little concerned with Grandy k rate…Do you think it would make sense to sign him and Melky and let go Grandy?. You move Gardner back to CF. Just an idea

  52. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    To sign Swisher and Melky?

  53. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    The Braves would be ecstatic to give Swisher 5 years 75 million. And Swish would love playing in the South. He’s from West Virginia.

  54. YES May 13th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Jeter-Gardner-Alex-Cano-Swisher-Grandy-Tex-DH-Martin

  55. blake May 13th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    If Swisher is going to cost 5/75 then spend the extra 10 million per and sign Roy Hobbs…..again i doubt they sign either…..i think a stop gap of Hunter, Ichiro, Jones…..etc is more likely.

  56. lounge lizard May 13th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    BTH, yes the Giants pay good money to Cain and Lincecum. The fans are tired of seeing them pitch well and lose 1-0 or 2-1.

    Giants were second in the National League in attendance last year, 3.3 million through the gates racking up concessions. That’s a lot of dough to play with and management knows the fans are restless. I think they ante up for Melky.

  57. blake May 13th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    West Virginia isnt the south……..Im not sure what it is…..its just West Virginia

  58. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    luis

    I posted this the other day:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dEt3NklTNjQzc1lRQUJZcnBHMHBfTHc&output=html

    2014: $75.125m (A-Rod $26m, Tex $23.125m, CC $23) It also includes $3m for Jeter, but as Jerkface pointed out, there are negative increased payroll implications to reworking his contract.

    But for the purposes of discussion, they would probably be near $100 for 4 players with Jeter. If Cano gets $20m, and Granderson gets $17m, it would be nearly impossible to fill out the roster without a lot of players not making the minimum.

    So it is really complicated and it may mean a year of taking a step back.

  59. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    If the Yankees wouldn’t sign Swisher for 15 million I don’t see them giving 25 million to Hamilton – and he probably loves Texas.

  60. blake May 13th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    “If the Yankees wouldn’t sign Swisher for 15 million I don’t see them giving 25 million to Hamilton –and he probably loves Texas.”

    I dont think theyll sign anybody at all

  61. Jerzz May 13th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    I’d love to see Ichiro here replacing Swisher

  62. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Rich,

    Wow! I don’t think they can afford either Swisher or Martin and maybe even Granderson. If they sign him, then i don’t think they’ll be able to keep Hughes. Am i wrong?

  63. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    They’re an old team as is. Why make it even older?

  64. blake May 13th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Swisher is better than Ichiro now…..so unless they are going to use the money saved between the two to sign Cole Hamels then i wouldnt.

  65. luis May 13th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    I’d love to see Ichiro here replacing Swisher

    ========================

    Thanks, but no thanks. Ichiro is declining before our eyes and the team is already old as it is.

  66. blake May 13th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Projected 2013 lineup.

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Cano
    Arod
    Teixera
    Hunter
    Ibanez/Jones
    Martin
    Gardner.

  67. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    luis

    It really makes me mad that as Hughes finally emerges (at least I hope so), they may not be able to keep him.

    Again, it may be impossible and even stupid to some, but Shame talked about finding a way to AJ Tex’s contract, and it would certainly help a lot, barring a turnaround.

    He was brought here to mitigate the declining of aging players, but instead he may be declining more (maybe much more) than guys pushing 40.

  68. blake May 13th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Projected 2013 lineup as it should be:

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Hamilton
    Cano
    Arod
    Teixera
    Montero
    DH X
    Gardner

  69. ron May 13th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Manny b,

    LHP Manny Banuelos: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 5/3 GB/FB — 61 of 89 pitches were strikes (68.5%) … 15/0 K/BB in 14.2 IP since coming off the DL … healthy Manny is good Manny

    Can’t wait til he,and betances are in our rotation.

  70. Yanks78 May 13th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    “It really makes me mad that as Hughes finally emerges (at least I hope so), they may not be able to keep him.”

    That’s a great point. Pitchers always get overpaid on the market. Edwin Jackson got $11 mil for 1 year.

    Hughes doing well and warranting an extension complicates matters even further – I think most of us were assuming that he’d be gone regardless, so it makes Granderson’s status even more iffy.

  71. luis May 13th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Rich,

    Who would want Tex and his contract? Unless you take a big chunk of it ( 10-15 mil) i don’t see any takers. I must say that i liked the signing when it happened, but i never expected for Tex to decline so steeply and so soon.

    If Hughes comeback is for real, and i think it is. I would take the risk to try to negotiate his last control year and try to get a team friendly contract.

  72. Rich in NJ May 13th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    luis

    IDK, and it seems highly unlikely, but they have to get very creative (and cold-hearted) if they are serious about the $189m (which according to RAB is really $179m which you include benefits/insurance)

    I agree that Hughes should be a priority, if it’s real.

    Anyway, I have to go. Later.

  73. luis May 13th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Tex’s OPS for the last 4 years 948,846,835,648….There must be a correction this year, but it is ugly.

  74. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    blake May 13th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Projected 2013 lineup as it should be:

    Jeter Granderson Hamilton Cano Arod Teixera Montero DH X Gardner

    ——————

    :( unfortunately it won’t happen

  75. luis May 13th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Later Rich

  76. luis May 13th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Blake,

    As it should be…… :(

  77. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    “Interesting you should mention this Randy. I was just thinking back to Millwood’s last start in Seattle (a 4-6 loss to the Tigers) where he and Montero weren’t even reading the same book, let alone on the same page. Wedge commented after that game that it’s all part of the learning process and that it was good to see Montero go to the mound when he was unsure, etc.

    Then in today’s postgame, I heard Millwood mention that he and Montero had talked since that game as well as each talked to the pitching coach. Millwood said, [paraphrased]…
    ” I don’t feel like I should have to call pitches from the mound and I didn’t have to do that today. He did a much better job and got locked in there for awhile.”

    compass rosy-

    nice info on that dynamic. every catcher knows pitchers have their preferences. the key is for the catcher and pitcher to talk and communicate. it goes without saying a veteran like millwood would have a strong opinion about montero.

    it’s nice that they worked towards each other and had a great outing today.

    well not so great for the yankees that is :)

  78. blake May 13th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    “Who would want Tex and his contract? ”

    maybe the Dodgers? That’s about the only team I could think of with the money and need…..but the Yanks would have to eat some of the contract and Tex would have to wave his no trade…..probably not happening….

    they just have to hope he plays better. He’s still great defensively ….and I still think he’ll hit right handed…..the Yanks may just have to realize that he’s not going to be a cornerstone bat vs RHP….he’s more of a complimentary player that can hit homers and hopefully walk…..that’s not the end of the world if the offense isn’t build around him…..it’s a much bigger issue if they continue sticking their heads in the sand thinking he’s going to be a super productive middle of the order bat (unless things change)

  79. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    I dont think theyll sign anybody at all

    —————-

    Which is a shame but it’s as alright because there is nothing to worry about with Tex and Arod is still Arod -__-

  80. luis May 13th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Not likely Blake…I would say they will demote him by the end of May if things keep going the way they are.

  81. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    • Girardi said he will not drop Mark Teixeira in the order despite the first baseman’s season-long struggles. He went 1 for 4 today, including a strike out with the bases loaded in the eighth and the Yankees down just 4-2. Even his hit only traveled about 50 feet.
    ===================
    Why?
    He is loyal to a fault.

  82. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Pettitte vs Cinci this Friday.
    Sounds cool.

  83. RMike May 13th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    The thing is, you can’t really negotiate with Hughes until next year anyway – you want to see if he can finish the whole season strong AND back it up with a strong start to the season next year. If they lock him up prematurely, it will carry huge implications in this new budget era, so they can’t take that risk either.

    Cano is the one they need to lock up immediately – every dollar counts now. He is the only guy who is certainly not going anywhere, it is just a matter of what it will take to keep him.

  84. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    If Tex comes down to 20 HRs then you might see him dropped.

  85. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    How Tex can play with this respiratory problem is weird.
    He says he has trouble breathing.
    The way Jones is hitting rightys you can spell Tex with Swish at 1st and play Jones.

  86. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Not going to happen with Cano. There was an article on RAB about the Yankees not budging on their policy. Smh sure why pay Cano now and save money when it’s better to wait so instead of getting 140 he’ ll get 200.

  87. blake May 13th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    “There was an article on RAB about the Yankees not budging on their policy.”

    their policy is outdated

  88. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Smh sure why pay Cano now and save money when it’s better to wait so instead of getting 140 he’ ll get 200.
    ===============
    why would cano take 140 when he can get 200?

  89. blake May 13th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    They’d have to offer Cano market value to extend him….the hope would be that’d you save a year or two on the length of the contract.

  90. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    You never know Mick everyone thought Cargo, Weaver, and Kemp would all reach the market but they extended with their team.

  91. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    • We’re accustomed to final lines on pitchers, but here’s the final line on Jesus Montero in his return to Yankee Stadium: 2 for 10, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 R, 2 BB, 2 K. He caught two games and the Yankees were 1 for 1 on stolen base attempts.
    =================================
    Altho some are accused of not showing up because they were wrong about Cash, the same can be said for the Montero lovers who are not showing the same zeal after his anemic weekend.

  92. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    You never know Mick everyone thought Cargo, Weaver, and Kemp would all reach the market but they extended with their team.
    ==========================
    Why th Yanks aren’t more aggressive is beyond me. Maybe they feel I player could have a career threatening injury. Call it the Igawa Pavano Syndrome.

  93. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Altho some are accused of not showing up because they were wrong about Cash, the same can be said for the Montero lovers who are not showing the same zeal after his anemic weekend.
    ====================
    But that’s just me , trying to stir things up.

  94. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Yea I think the injury concern is the issue. They would hate to extend a player and then see him get injured. Problem is by the time they extend a player he’s more than likely on the wrong side of 30.

  95. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Blake brings it up all the time about how much money Kemp left on the table and Weaver did the same thing. Yankees have nothing to lose by at least trying to extend him now.

  96. Eroc May 13th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    There is no way for them to make this budget thing work if they are going to wait till the very last minute to lock up their own talent and pay market value for it.

    They have to save $$ somewhere. They can’t keep paying everyone market value if they want to stay under $179 (which is the real number).

  97. luis May 13th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Mick,

    He had a 333 OBP and 836 OPS those are not bad numbers for a rookie

  98. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Maybe they think Cano could have a bad year so they can get him cheaper.
    Maybe they think if they extend him he will lose incentive.
    We all know how players are better in their walk year.

  99. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    He had a 333 OBP and 836 OPS those are not bad numbers for a rookie
    =========================
    Yes luis but nowhere near the projections offered by some who called him the next Babe Ruth.

  100. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    There is no way for them to make this budget thing work if they are going to wait till the very last minute to lock up their own talent and pay market value for it.
    =================
    Why would a player allow himself to be lowballed when he can wait and get market value?
    It works both ways.

  101. theREALkevin May 13th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Lol @ judging Montero on one weekend

    By the way how many home runs would Montero have hit to that short porch in YS?

    Its cringeworthy.

  102. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    That’s true Mick but the flip side is waiting and Cano having a crazy off the charts yr. You give him a bump in pay now and if he has a bad yr so be it.

    @ Eroc how is that the real number? Can to explain not.saying your wrong

  103. mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Lol @ judging Montero on one weekend
    ======================
    I wasn’t impressed.

  104. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    You’re*

  105. luis May 13th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Still, he is going to be very good (all star catcher). let’s wait until the end of this season. Nobody called him the next Babe Ruth, an impact bat yes and he will be, there is agreement throughout baseball about it.

    But time will tell….Got to go Good night

  106. blake May 13th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    In the past the Yankees could “afford” to allow players to reach free agency and take the risk out of extending them early….they could do this because they would just pay more than everyone else to keep the player if they wanted them at that point……well they are on a set budget now so in keeping that policy they are likely going to cost themselves money in some cases that they could spend elsewhere…….

    if they are going to operate on a budget then they need to stop pretending that they are the old Yankees…..they need to be more efficient and run things case by case like every other team does……either that or they need to just say screw the budget and be the Yankees again.

  107. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Why would a player allow himself to be lowballed when he can wait and get market value?

    ————-

    But the player is also looking for protection. They could get hit in the head and have a hard time regaining their form

  108. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    That’s true Mick but the flip side is waiting and Cano having a crazy off the charts yr. You give him a bump in pay now and if he has a bad yr so be it.
    ===================================
    They have a win now philosophy.
    Look at the year Swish is having.
    It’s because he’s in his walk year.
    Why jeopardize that.
    He is locked in, focused.

  109. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    But the player is also looking for protection. They could get hit in the head and have a hard time regaining their form
    =================
    They don’t think that way.
    In their minds they are immortal.

  110. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    Just finished watching Banuelos pitch….the process of today what as good as his line….attack attack attack on most every hitter….this is what we’ve been waiting to see from him….challenging hitters….getting ahead….pitching off his fastball….his breaking ball is really really good.. Great to see…hopefully he’ll keep it up.

  111. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “Altho some are accused of not showing up because they were wrong about Cash, the same can be said for the Montero lovers who are not showing the same zeal after his anemic weekend.”

    mick-

    if you were a golfer you’d be barely breaking 100.

    no one want wants to play with you because you’re playing so badly.

    you need to practice and get a better game.

  112. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    If Cano signed an 8/160 extension tomorrow…..he’d be set for life….his kids and their kids would be set for life…..and if he broke his leg the day after that then he’d still be set for life because MLB contracts are guaranteed……that’s why a guy would sign an extension if he’s playing where he wants to play and the team is offering close to market value…..sure he could hold out and potentially get more…..but he could also get hurt and wind up with less also.

  113. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    if you were a golfer you’d be barely breaking 100.
    ================================
    who pronounced you judge and jury?

  114. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    They don’t think that way. In their minds they are immortal

    —————–

    If that’s the case then the market wouldn’t be as bad as it has been the past few seasons. More and more players are forgoing FA.

  115. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “They don’t think that way.”

    they don’t always…..but Matt kemp, Joey Votto, Ryan Braun, Tulo, Weaver, Cargo, etc all did…..the Yankees should at least discuss it with him…..there is no harm in that.

  116. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    “They don’t think that way.”

    they don’t always…..but Matt kemp, Joey Votto, Ryan Braun, Tulo, Weaver, Cargo, etc all did…..the Yankees should at least discuss it with him…..there is no harm in that.
    =============================================
    How do we know they aren’t?
    Maybe they are lowballing him.
    They could piss him off and lose him too.

  117. theREALkevin May 13th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Montero .283/.325/.483 for his career so far. Dude can flick his wrists and hit one out to the opposite field. He’s 22 years old. He’s only going to get better. Probably much better.

  118. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    That’s true Mick but the flip side is waiting and Cano having a crazy off the charts yr. You give him a bump in pay now and if he has a bad yr so be it. =================================== They have a win now philosophy. Look at the year Swish is having. It’s because he’s in his walk year. Why jeopardize that. He is locked in, focused

    ——————-

    As someone sais earlier take each situation on a case by case basis. You extend the right guys and let others prove it

  119. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    “How do we know they aren’t?”

    Cashman just said yesterday they weren’t…

    Cashman: No extension talks or search for bullpen help ongoing
    By Mike Axisa

    Via A.J. Perez, GM Brian Cashman confirmed that the Yankees are not currently negotiating a contract extension with any players, including Curtis Granderson and Robinson Cano. That’s not terribly surprising; the team’s policy is to wait until current contracts expire before discussing new deals, and those two are under club control (via option years) next season. Russell Martin and Nick Swisher are the other notable extension candidates and are both due to become a free agent this winter.

    http://riveraveblues.com/page/2/

  120. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    “who pronounced you judge and jury?”

    your score says it all.

  121. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    “Montero .283/.325/.483 for his career so far. Dude can flick his wrists and hit one out to the opposite field. He’s 22 years old. He’s only going to get better. Probably much better.”

    but the “scouts” say he can’t catch

  122. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    He’s only going to get better. Probably much better.
    =========================
    Again. All I am saying is that those who lauded him are now backing off.
    He is no longer the “generational” hitter, he now is “probably” going to get better.

  123. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    your score says it all.
    =============
    trisha has you nailed.

  124. raymagnetic May 13th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Who’s paying Cano 140?

    Maybe they let Cano walk and replace him with NewKnee.

    Anyway, worrying about what the team will look like in 2014 is just silly.

    Enjoy today. Tomorrow may never come.

  125. yankee 221 May 13th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    The most hilarious thing is seeing people gloat about Ibanez and how his success means we don’t need Montero.

    Not that one is 40 years old and the other is 22….

    Montero is a elite hitting talent. Every scout, writer, talent evaluator said as much. Even those who didn’t think he could catch. He would help us immensley in the future as Jeter/ARod approach 40, Granderson approaches FA, and Tex approaches oblivion.

  126. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    mick do me a favor and team up with trisha.

    with friends like you who need enemies :)

  127. theREALkevin May 13th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Lol blake. I know right? Your groupthink comment earlier nailed it I think. It just became common opinion…. Wasn’t scrutinized enough.

    Mick you’re a troll. Not going to waste my time responding to you any longer buddy.

  128. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    “Anyway, worrying about what the team will look like in 2014 is just silly.”

    well we should hope the Yankees are planning for it…….this is just like anything else….you can’t just lop off 30 million bucks off of your payroll and keep the same level of quality without proper planning….

  129. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    He would help us immensley
    ===================
    The word immensley made me think of Hensley “Bam Bam” Meulens.
    Potential is immense. Let’s see him earn it.
    So far, he can’t hit rightys.

  130. raymagnetic May 13th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Maybe it’s group think now that the Yankees traded Montero because of group think.

  131. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    with friends like you who need enemies
    ========================
    why, because I “question authority.”

  132. Giuseppe Franco May 13th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    He’s only going to get better. Probably much better.
    =========================
    Again. All I am saying is that those who lauded him are now backing off.
    He is no longer the “generational” hitter, he now is “probably” going to get better.

    ——-

    I think you’re on another planet with that comment. Name one.

    There are no smart baseball fans on this board who “lauded” Montero and are now backing away from high expectations after roughly 30 games into the season.

  133. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    anyone on the blog wondering what they saw with their own eyes with montero catching and how this is in contrast to the way the yankees evaluated him?

    how does cashman keep spinning it that there was no room for montero?

  134. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    If starbucks cut their budget by 20% and it started to affect the quality of their products then folks would start choosing to spend their money elsewhere….especially if the drop off was quick and noticeable……if the Yankees drop payroll and the team doesn’t play well then the same thing will happen with them….attendance and YES ratings will plummet…..I hope Hal gets that….

  135. theREALkevin May 13th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Watching Tino yankeeography. Guy was psyched at replacing Mattingly. Most would be intimidated by those big shoes to fill. What a player he was.

  136. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Mick you’re a troll. Not going to waste my time responding to you any longer buddy.
    =====================
    Why, because we disagree? Maybe you are part of the groupthink and should wait for results before annointing.

  137. LGY May 13th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Enjoy today. Tomorrow may never come.

    ——

    I’m surprised the world didn’t end after Montero caught two games this weekend.

  138. raymagnetic May 13th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “well we should hope the Yankees are planning for it…….this is just like anything else….you can’t just lop off 30 million bucks off of your payroll and keep the same level of quality without proper planning….”

    By the end of 2013 there are several scenarios that could happen.

    Nunez could emerge as a legitimate contender to replace Cano or Jeter. Tyler Austin could emerge as a legitimate outfield contender replacing Granderson. The Yankees could simply move Gardner to CF.

    By 2015 Mason Williams could emerge as Gardner’s CF replacement.

    A-Rod could be the team’s primary DH by 2014 and the Yankees could trade some pitching for a replacement 3B.

    I could go on and on with different scenarios on how the team could be comprised by the time 2014 rolls around.

    Way too early in the game now for me to sit here and worry about how they’ll ever construct their roster with “only” 189 million dollars to work with.

  139. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    .attendance and YES ratings will plummet
    =========================
    it already is.

  140. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    ‘why, because I “question authority.” ‘

    the only problem is that there’s no authority here on the blog.

    the yankees are the ones in charge.

  141. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    randy, you seem to think you are the authority.

  142. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    “Nunez could emerge as a legitimate contender to replace Cano or Jeter.”

    huh?

  143. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    “Nunez could emerge as a legitimate contender to replace Cano or Jeter. Tyler Austin could emerge as a legitimate outfield contender replacing Granderson. The Yankees could simply move Gardner to CF. ”

    I certainly hope Nunez doesn’t replace Cano…..and Austin is in A ball…..he’d have to really move fast to get to the bigs by 2014.

    “Way too early in the game now for me to sit here and worry about how they’ll ever construct their roster with “only” 189 million dollars to work with”

    you don’t have to…..but the Yankees should be

  144. yankee 221 May 13th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    “Who’s paying Cano 140?”

    There’s always someone

    Tex was offered $200 mil by the Nationals and $150 by the Orioles
    A 32 yr old Werth garnered $120 million
    Crawford approaching 30 reliant on his legs got $140 million
    Pujols got $250 mil
    Vernon Wells got $130 mil
    Howard got $130 mil
    Fielder got $180 million
    Votto got $225 million
    Braun got $150 million; Kemp got $165 million
    Mauer got $180 million
    Holliday got $150 million
    Beltran got $130 million
    Soriano got $130 million
    Arod got $250 million

    etc. etc. Someone will always pay

  145. theREALkevin May 13th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Randy

    I think Girardis bias got in the way. He didn’t like Montero. Wasn’t in the mold of his type of catcher. He loved Martin, teachers pet. Hated Jorge. Hated Montero. That either blinded his judgment of Monteros catching or he flat out lied. I think he got in cashmans ear and helped get Montero out of town.

  146. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Attendance is already taking a step back

  147. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    There are no smart baseball fans on this board who “lauded” Montero and are now backing away from high expectations after roughly 30 games into the season.
    ==================================
    Look at the comments or lack of them.
    That is a form of backing off.
    They won’t admit it but he has looked pedestrian and again cannot hit rightys.

  148. LGY May 13th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Eduardo Nunez replacing the best 2B in MLB is a terrifying thought.

  149. raymagnetic May 13th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    ““Nunez could emerge as a legitimate contender to replace Cano or Jeter.”

    huh?”

    We’re talking about future scenarios and why the Yankees have to resign Cano now. I don’t believe this to be the case because 2014 is too far away for me to think about it right now.

  150. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    “Eduardo Nunez replacing the best 2B in MLB is a terrifying thought.”

    it’s kinda scary to think about him replacing Jeter also to be honest.

  151. raymagnetic May 13th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    “I certainly hope Nunez doesn’t replace Cano…..and Austin is in A ball…..he’d have to really move fast to get to the bigs by 2014.”

    Historically 2nd base isn’t an offensive position and Cano has a lifetime .347 OBP which isn’t exactly sparkling.

    “you don’t have to…..but the Yankees should be”

    You don’t have to either but you seem to enjoy doing it on a regular basis.

  152. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    “Maybe it’s group think now that the Yankees traded Montero because of group think.”

    well if the cashman supporters weren’t so chicken sh%t after losses and running for the hills there’d be more balance on the blog.

    i can’t believe they leave poor mick to defend their position.

    i agree he’s a bit out numbered.

  153. 4time May 13th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    The 2014 season (when they have to get to the budget number) is less than 2 seasons away. It is not that far in the future as some may think.

    They also need to start planning heavily right now – what they do with Swisher, do they extend Cano, do they extend Grandy, do they sign Hamels, do they re-sign Martin or go after another C, extend Hughes, go after Hamilton/Melky, etc. So we’ll be seeing the results of the budget as early as next year anyway. It’s not just going to happen magically all at once. Careful planning needs to go into it and the results will slowly start to manifest itself, for better or for worse.

    All their impact hitters are in Low-A, so projecting anything of them to step in when the budget goes into effect is a scary thought.

  154. raymagnetic May 13th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    “it’s kinda scary to think about him replacing Jeter also to be honest.”

    This is my team and in my 2014 the Yankees can replace Cano and or Granderson with someone internal and save themselves 15 to 20 million a year.

  155. ron May 13th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Montero better be a phenominal hitter because he is an absolutely terrible athlete.
    Now he might be able to survive at catcher for a while,but if he does not,even in a few years down the road,he better hit 35 or more hr a year,minimum as a dh,with a real good obp,and pretty even splits,because a 30 hr dh,or 1b,who can’t run,is no big deal.

    His .227 ba,.247 obp,.588 ops will have to change against righties or he simply can’t possibly be the hitter scouts rave about.

    Hitters face rh pitchers 75% of the time,or 2/3 of the time.

    Montero’s numbers,as of now are simply ugly against rh pitching.
    It could change.He is young,but if they don’t,he will fizzle out,very quickly.

    They have to get a lot better against rh pitching,not a little.

  156. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    A lot of coulds in that post

  157. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    again randy you give too much credit or lack of it to cashman, he is the messenger, Hal is the dictator as George was.
    perhaps because he fired your buddy you have become vindictive?

  158. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    This is my team and in my 2014 the Yankees can replace Cano and or Granderson with someone internal and save themselves 15 to 20 million a year

    ——————-

    And they can be worse……a lot worse.

  159. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Montero better be a phenominal hitter because he is an absolutely terrible athlete.
    ==========================================
    I would think they know much more about Montero than we do.
    When Stick Michael says he was lazy and no one here says a word back about that,
    it shows just how weak your game is randy.

  160. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Let’s not make Cash out to be a person just following orders. He’s in complete lock step with the plan. He’s tired of the he only wins with Yankee money talk.

  161. 4time May 13th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Unless Hal dictated to Cashman that Montero can’t catch and needs to be treated, that awful trade was his responsibility.

    I don’t doubt that parameters are handed down to Cashman, but he is to blame for the execution of Hal’s orders. There are a million other ways to get pitching and/or slash the budget without trading Montero. If Cashman isn’t creative enouth to do it, that isn’t Hal’s problem.

  162. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    “You don’t have to either but you seem to enjoy doing it on a regular basis.”

    so

  163. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Alex Rodriguez tried to take him under his wing and he didn’t work with him.
    This kid believes the hype and the problems are more in his head than with his “generational” bat.

  164. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    “This is my team and in my 2014 the Yankees can replace Cano and or Granderson with someone internal and save themselves 15 to 20 million a year.”

    Hal probably likes it…..but those are the Yanks two best players.

  165. yankee 221 May 13th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Everyone the Yankees throw out the door is supposedly “lazy”.

    Based on the results, it is the Yankees who are the problem, not the players they trade away.

    And it is pretty funny that the guy they traded this “lazy” player for himself showed up 20 lbs out of shape and throwing 87 MPH in spring training and now faces long odds to ever pitch in the majors again. Seems like it came back on the Yankees for their libel.

  166. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Rangers just pounded Weaver

  167. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    It’s not.even about just the 189 the Yankees have been cutting back for the past fee seasons. It seems like you have to beg Hal to.open the wallet even if the money their taking on isn’t that big. Hell didn’t they make the pirates pay a part of Hinske’s(spelling) contract back in 09.

  168. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    If and when Hal ruins this team because of his frugality, there will still be some that will blame Cashman.

  169. Pat M. May 13th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    blake……I think that Hal is getting the club ready for sale

  170. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Everyone the Yankees throw out the door is supposedly “lazy”.
    =====================
    Can you name a few?
    Arod and Stick have spoken, that’s not good enough?

  171. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    blake……I think that Hal is getting the club ready for sale
    ==========================
    Pat M….Hal never wanted to be the new elephant in the room, as George would call them.

  172. yankee 221 May 13th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    “This kid believes the hype and the problems are more in his head than with his “generational” bat.”

    As late as 2008, almost 4 years into his career, people here were destroying Cano for playing lazily and wanted him gone for Kemp or Ethier (the hot name at the time). Girardi even pulled him from a game against the Os if you remember.

    If they expect every young player to act like Jeter, they are mistaken.

  173. Giuseppe Franco May 13th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    There are no smart baseball fans on this board who “lauded” Montero and are now backing away from high expectations after roughly 30 games into the season.
    ==================================
    Look at the comments or lack of them.
    That is a form of backing off.
    They won’t admit it but he has looked pedestrian and again cannot hit rightys.

    ———-

    As I said, there are no SMART baseball fans (YF, CB, Jerk, Rich, luis, myself, JAP, etc., etc) that were high on Montero for the last few years and have now jumped off that bandwagon.

    Some of us want to see what happens with this guy (and Pineda too) over the next several years. Nobody can make any legit evaluations about his future from watching him one weekend.

    All I know is the kid did poke one out to RF in the first game of the series, which is something that he was simply born to do, especially in that ballpark. How many times did he do it last season in limited time? Several.

    Writing him off in the middle of May during his rookie season is short-sighted to say the least.

    Even the “experts” and scouts all agreed on one thing – the kid is going to mash. The only question was whether he’d be doing it from behind the plate or in the DH role.

  174. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    mick-

    montero is doing fine this year.

    you really need to slow down and pay more attention.

    just curious. how old are you?

    how long have you been following the yankees?

  175. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    “blake……I think that Hal is getting the club ready for sale”

    you’ve been saying that for awhile…..I used to think no way….now I’m not so sure

  176. ron May 13th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Montero absolutely crushes lefties.
    If he ever hits righties,even remotely similar,he will be a monster.

    But the trend he is setting against rh pitching is troubling.

    I’d like to look at his minor league splits.

  177. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Lazy, attitude problems, didn’t work hard, goofed around, etc. They tag everyone with those lines but yet when they leave the success they have comes with an asterisk.

  178. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Look GF, all I am saying is that nobody here who loved him spoke in less than glowing terms.
    It was certainly not a wait and see approach.
    I too bought the hype after seeing him belt a few in ST.
    It just seems that some of those that went nuts over him are quieting down, that’s all.

  179. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    If I’m a Mariner fan then I’m really happy with Montero right now…..because he’s showing that he can catch in the big leagues….at least well enough to have value there given his bat….which will play….he’s still adjusting….probably trying to do too much….and on top of that he’s been a slow starter the last couple of years…..he’s going to mash….it’s just a matter of time and if he can catch then he’s a potential MVP candidate one day.

  180. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    randy don’t be a troll.

  181. theREALkevin May 13th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    I wonder what the deal is with Hank. Has he been bought out? If not are they equal owners? And I wonder if he would be on board with selling the team. He has been out of the news for a really long time. Thought Hank would be more vocal.

  182. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    “I wonder what the deal is with Hank”

    don’t you follow him on twitter?

  183. yankee 221 May 13th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    At this point, I’d prefer Hank to Hal.

  184. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    The Hank who gave Arod that great contract?

  185. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Hank is the bad George.

  186. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    blake-

    monetro will go on a tear at some point like cano just did and his numbers will jump up.

    the good hitter get hits in bunches when they get hot.

    he hit a rocket to jeter and just missed a double down the line that alex made a nice play on.

    he could have easily been 3-4 today.

  187. ron May 13th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Kemp is younger,better,and will cost a lot less than cano,it seems,and some are getting killed for wanting to trade cano for kemp?

  188. Giuseppe Franco May 13th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Look GF, all I am saying is that nobody here who loved him spoke in less than glowing terms.
    It was certainly not a wait and see approach.
    I too bought the hype after seeing him belt a few in ST.
    It just seems that some of those that went nuts over him are quieting down, that’s all.

    ———–

    We aren’t quieting down at all.

    We defend him everyday in here from those who like to kick the kid when he has a rough night and are quick to let us know it.

  189. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    randy,

    he’s going to hit….I’ve watched a lot of their games and he’s getting himself out a lot of the time by swinging at pitches that he can hit instead of pitches he should hit….he’s a lot like Cano that way….he can hit pitches he shouldn’t and that gets him into trouble at times….he’s so young still….

  190. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    mick

    i’ve been following the yankees since berra and mantle and ford.

    who did you watch as a kid?

    i think it gives a good reference point with posters if you know what era they grew up with.

  191. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    a rough night?
    he isn’t hitting rightys.

  192. RMS May 13th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    • We’re accustomed to final lines on pitchers, but here’s the final line on Jesus Montero in his return to Yankee Stadium: 2 for 10, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 R, 2 BB, 2 K. He caught two games and the Yankees were 1 for 1 on stolen base attempts.

    ———————————————————————————————————-
    If he were 5 for 10, this blog would have been full of pro Montero comments. He hit 1 fly ball (HR.) Caught 2 not 3 games (he is young, can’t catch 3 in a row.) Yankees 1 for 1 stealing. Let’s see how he does against a running team. He looks like he’s running in quicksand.

  193. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    randy you know i go back as far as you do

  194. theREALkevin May 13th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Blake, lol no but I have read some of his fake Stein tweets on here. Guessing thats what ur referring to. Some of those were actually sorta funny.

  195. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    They put Hank on time out since 2008. Everyone blames Hank for the Arod deal but Hal was the money guy during that time too. He signed off on it

  196. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    “Kemp is younger,better,and will cost a lot less than cano,it seems,and some are getting killed for wanting to trade cano for kemp?”

    I think both teams are ok with the hypothetical trade not happening…..Cano was better than Kemp when it was being discussed and both are top 10 players in the sport…..Kemp will likely only be cheaper because he signed a pretty team friendly deal for his talent level…..he may not have done that with the Yankees….who knows.

  197. Giuseppe Franco May 13th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I definitely don’t want Hank making any big decisions for this team.

    The few he’s made have been disastrous and he loves saying stupid things when a camera or a mic is in front of him.

    He embarrassed the organization on several occasions when he was viewed as the voice of the Steinbrenner Family.

  198. blake May 13th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    actually Kemp wouldn’t have done it because the Yankees have their dumb policy….he would have become a FA and probably signed for 250 million dollars.

  199. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    We defend him everyday in here from those who like to kick the kid when he has a rough night and are quick to let us know it.
    ========================
    If he were 5 for 10, this blog would have been full of pro Montero comments. He hit 1 fly ball (HR.) Caught 2 not 3 games (he is young, can’t catch 3 in a row.) Yankees 1 for 1 stealing. Let’s see how he does against a running team. He looks like he’s running in quicksand.
    ————————————————–
    I’m tired of repeating myself…

  200. luis May 13th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    I leave and all hell breaks loose!!

    Mick,

    Those fans that you are pointing out are still on the Montero bandwagon. Most of them were at YS the whole weekend. Some of us that couldn’t make it, are here. We are “ALL” in on the kid.

    What i meant to tell you in my previous post is give it a rest. I was suggesting to you to wait and see, since you can’t tell how good the kid really is right now.

  201. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    He embarrassed the organization on several occasions when he was viewed as the voice of the Steinbrenner Family.
    =================
    If you have seen the movie Pulp Fiction, picture Hank as the Gimp, locked up in the basement.

  202. mick May 13th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    What i meant to tell you in my previous post is give it a rest. I was suggesting to you to wait and see, since you can’t tell how good the kid really is right now.
    ================================
    Exactly. I have a wait and see attitude.

  203. luis May 13th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Then stop trying to stir the blog up by making silly comments about Montero, especially thinking that by not commenting we are backing off our positions. ;)

  204. Wang IS Taiwan May 13th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    What happens when Tex is hitting .200? Is Girardi still going to refuse to move him? Just curious.

  205. luis May 13th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Sorry guys and had to say it….Good night

  206. Eroc May 13th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    People keep trying to find the rationale for trading Montero… well, I’d say the A-Rod deal was more justifable than the Montero one

    A-Rod’s box office appeal along was worth it. Their attendance numbers all increased significantly after the acquisition of A-Rod from 04-07. YES Ratings, revenues, etc. everything were at the highest levels they ever reached. He was supposed to break all the HR records and bring attention and revenue to the team during the whole chase and break the HR record in pinstripes. Not to mention, he was the best player in baseball at the time.

    The terms of the deal was dumb, but the signing itself was not. Do we win in 09 without him? It was unfortunate that the value of the deal went down the drain when he was outed for steroids, but at the time, it was totally defensible to sign him. I’d say that signing was far more understandable than trading Montero.

  207. lounge lizard May 13th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Alex never “spoke” about Montero. Montero told the story himself about Alex getting on him about taking extra batting practice. And Montero did so after that.

    I saw negative quotes from Mark Newman about Montero after the trade but don’t recall anything from Gene Michael.

  208. mick May 13th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    We defend him everyday in here from those who like to kick the kid when he has a rough night and are quick to let us know it.
    ===================================
    Did you ever think this is a response to the incessant proclamations by those who have pronounced him the greatest since the one and only Babe?

  209. mick May 13th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Then stop trying to stir the blog up by making silly comments about Montero, especially thinking that by not commenting we are backing off our positions.
    ======================
    You sure aren’t waxing poetics like you used to… ;)

  210. luis May 13th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Did you ever think this is a response to the incessant proclamations by those who have pronounced him the greatest since the one and only Babe?

    ===============================

    Nobody has ever compared him with the Babe. With Pujols and Cabrera, yes…..Cashman among others.

  211. CashmanLovesPsychoHookers May 13th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    The more I think about it, the more I think Nick Swisher was stat hunting with his contract year in mind when he tried for 3rd in the 9th while the team was losing by 4.

    It’s the same reason he suddenly took the time to get in great shape. Why did we have to wait for a contract year for Nick Swisher to get in great shape?

  212. Duh Innings May 13th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    The Yanks need to trade Martin and Swisher midseason so they can get something for both players before both players sign elsewhere because they’ll want more years and money than the Yanks will want to give them then pick up the 2013 club option on Granderson, trade him, Rodriguez, and Teixiera, and let go of Ibanez in the offseason.

    2013 Yankees

    C- Romine
    1B – Jeter
    2B – Cano
    3B – Ronnier Mustelier
    SS – Nunez
    LF – Gardner
    CF – Mason Williams (bat him ninth and let’s see what he can do)
    RF – Melky Cabrera re-signed
    DH – Juan Rivera re-signed if the Dodgers buy him out for half a mil

    Bench: Cervelli, Brandon Laird, Ramiro Pena, Jones re-signed

    Rotation: Sabathia / Pettitte re-signed / Nova / Hughes / Whoever in the AAA rotation

    Bullpen: Rivera / Robertson / Chamberlain / Logan / Phelps / Randy Choate re-signed / Soriano

    Jones, Sabathia, and Soriano would be the only non-homegrown players.

  213. Eroc May 13th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    After the trade was made, Cashman was still running with the Cabrera and Piazza comparisons while mentioning the big risk he took making the deal.

    It’s not like these comparisons were pulled from air. No one said he was Ruth or Bonds.

  214. CashmanLovesPsychoHookers May 13th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Nobody has ever compared him with the Babe. With Pujols and Cabrera, yes…..Cashman among others.
    ====================
    True… But in Cashman’s defense, he’d probably trade those other two for a guy with no shoulder, too.

  215. mick May 13th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    After the trade was made, Cashman was still running with the Cabrera and Piazza comparisons while mentioning the big risk he took making the deal.
    =================
    when cashman writes his book, he will tell us that he said those things because he was against the trade and was forced to make it.

  216. luis May 13th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Mick,

    You now why we no longer have to do it? Because it is so obvious nowadays, that the kid is speaking for himself.

    He can’t catch….He is catching

    He does have attitude problems….Just look at the way he handles himself

    He can’t bat…..Nobody in all the world has question his ability to hit

    So why do we have to go on, when it is so obvious to those that can actually see.

  217. mick May 13th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    The more I think about it, the more I think Nick Swisher was stat hunting with his contract year in mind when he tried for 3rd in the 9th while the team was losing by 4.
    =================
    Agreed.
    He is a rock and will prolly pull something and ruin it for himself.

  218. mick May 13th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    So why do we have to go on, when it is so obvious to those that can actually see.
    =========================
    you just don’t get it, do you?
    tired of spelling it out.

  219. CashmanLovesPsychoHookers May 13th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Trade Teixeira and ARod??? Are you SERIOUS??? That might actually be dumber than Mason Williams being in the majors next season. Why would ANYBODY trade for Teixeira or especially ARod?

  220. blake May 13th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    I have to say that I’m totally shocked Pujols has a .503 OPS in mid May….I mean I thought maybe he’d need an adjustment period…..but with this guy’s swing this is just unbelievable how bad he’s struggling…..

  221. luis May 13th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Again good night.

    By the way GF if you are still around, thank you for including me in such good company, i don’t think i deserve it, but thank you.

  222. Melk Man May 13th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    “when cashman writes his book, he will tell us that he said those things because he was against the trade and was forced to make it.”

    Of course he will – he doesn’t want to look bad. Even if the trade was all on him, he isn’t going to be able to tell the world he traded away the next Lou Gerigh for a unproven pitcher with a bum shoulder. He will pin it on someone else. Just like he can conveniently pin all of the pre 2006 signings on George, even if he was the one in favor of it.

    And unless Hal specifically told him to trade Montero, which I find hard to believe that Hal could even pick Montero’s name out of a lineup card, Cashman should bear all responsibility. Why should Hal care how they get under the CBA threshold as long as they do? Trading away Montero isn’t the only way to do it.

  223. jacksquat May 13th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Every time Montero does something good, people are posting about it here, so I don’t see a problem with the counterpoint.

    I don’t see either as useful myself. Montero is not a Yankee so I don’t need blow by blow updates unless he is doing something spectacular. And if he is struggling it’s not to be unexpected. Not every prospect can be like Arod, Pujols or Cabrera at that age.

  224. jacksquat May 13th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    blake May 13th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
    I have to say that I’m totally shocked Pujols has a .503 OPS in mid May….I mean I thought maybe he’d need an adjustment period…..but with this guy’s swing this is just unbelievable how bad he’s struggling…..

    Last big contract signed, he can switch from illegal juice to legal juice a la Teixeira?

  225. Eroc May 13th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    “when cashman writes his book, he will tell us that he said those things because he was against the trade and was forced to make it.”

    Cashman has been obsessed with pitching for years. He’s tried to trade Montero numerous times for pitching. We all feared Cashman would eventually do this and he finally did.
    What would Hal’s motivation be for forcing Cashman to trade Montero? I don’t see it. Hal cares about the bottom line, not how it is reached.

  226. Giuseppe Franco May 13th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    luis May 13th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Again good night.

    By the way GF if you are still around, thank you for including me in such good company, i don’t think i deserve it, but thank you.

    ———

    My pleasure, luis. But don’t short change yourself – you belong in that group.

  227. mick May 13th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Montero lovers love and live to be right and initiated this entire argument.
    What they are getting back is a dose of their own medicine and they don’t like it.
    If he does come around they will be the 1st to stick it in your face and say I told you so.

  228. blake May 13th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    I think it’s more likely that Pujols is really 35 years old than on the juice…..

  229. mick May 13th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    What would Hal’s motivation be for forcing Cashman to trade Montero?
    ==================
    This was an organizational decision.
    Many have gotten into Hal’s ear and convinced him to get rid of Montero for reasons which are starting to come out.

  230. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    “He hit 1 fly ball (HR.) Caught 2 not 3 games (he is young, can’t catch 3 in a row.) Yankees 1 for 1 stealing. Let’s see how he does against a running team. He looks like he’s running in quicksand.”

    add up the ops .

    .333on base percentage

    .500 slugging

    that would be .833OPS

    not too shabby

  231. blake May 13th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    “What would Hal’s motivation be for forcing Cashman to trade Montero?”

    As I’ve said before….I doubt Hal forced Cashman to do anything….but wouldn’t surprise me if he told him to improve the rotation and to do so without spending any money…..

  232. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Duh Innings May 13th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    The Yanks need to trade Martin and Swisher midseason so they can get something for both players before both players sign elsewhere because they’ll want more years and money than the Yanks will want to give them then pick up the 2013 club option on Granderson, trade him, Rodriguez, and Teixiera, and let go of Ibanez in the offseason.

    2013 Yankees

    C- Romine
    1B – Jeter
    2B – Cano
    3B – Ronnier Mustelier
    SS – Nunez
    LF – Gardner
    CF – Mason Williams (bat him ninth and let’s see what he can do)
    RF – Melky Cabrera re-signed
    DH – Juan Rivera re-signed if the Dodgers buy him out for half a mil

    Bench: Cervelli, Brandon Laird, Ramiro Pena, Jones re-signed

    Rotation: Sabathia / Pettitte re-signed / Nova / Hughes / Whoever in the AAA rotation

    Bullpen: Rivera / Robertson / Chamberlain / Logan / Phelps / Randy Choate re-signed / Soriano

    Jones, Sabathia, and Soriano would be the only non-homegrown players.

    ———————————

    Unrealistic and this team wouldn’t sniff the playoffs

  233. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    it’ll be interesting when some time goes by and people have jobs in other organizations to hear what really went on behind the scenes with what yankee management thought of montero.

    it’ll come out some day.

  234. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    blake May 13th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    “What would Hal’s motivation be for forcing Cashman to trade Montero?”

    As I’ve said before….I doubt Hal forced Cashman to do anything….but wouldn’t surprise me if he told him to improve the rotation and to do so without spending any money…..

    —————–

    But Cashman has been chasing King Felix for yrs and Hal would have to be ok with adding that type of payroll. It seems like there is double talk going on. Improve the rotation but don’t spend money unless we can get player X.

  235. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    for reasons which are starting to come out.

    —————

    Such as?

  236. blake May 13th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    “But Cashman has been chasing King Felix for yrs and Hal would have to be ok with adding that type of payroll. It seems like there is double talk going on. Improve the rotation but don’t spend money unless we can get player X.”

    yea I don’t know….we don’t know for sure how hard they have pursued Felix…..but if they were willing to trade half the farm for Felix AND take on his 20 million dollar salary then it makes zero sense to me why they wouldn’t pursue Hamels for just money….we’ll see.

  237. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    mick May 13th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    After the trade was made, Cashman was still running with the Cabrera and Piazza comparisons while mentioning the big risk he took making the deal.
    =================
    when cashman writes his book, he will tell us that he said those things because he was against the trade and was forced to make it.

    ——————-

    Forced to trade a player he has been trying to trade for yrs. How does that work?

  238. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    “I think it’s more likely that Pujols is really 35 years old than on the juice…..”

    how long is that contract for?

  239. jacksquat May 13th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Personally I think if Girardi insisted on keeping Montero, he would still be here.

    But I think the opposite happened, based on his (now) very public opinion on what catchers should be first and foremost.

    But still people mostly blame Cashman. Cashman is not a former player, he is an executive, and like in many companies he has to rely on the opinion of people who should know more than himself about particulars, scouts, manages, coaches, etc.

  240. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    “when cashman writes his book, he will tell us that he said those things because he was against the trade and was forced to make it.”

    any chance brian will dedicate his book to me ?

  241. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    blake May 13th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    “But Cashman has been chasing King Felix for yrs and Hal would have to be ok with adding that type of payroll. It seems like there is double talk going on. Improve the rotation but don’t spend money unless we can get player X.”

    yea I don’t know….we don’t know for sure how hard they have pursued Felix…..but if they were willing to trade half the farm for Felix AND take on his 20 million dollar salary then it makes zero sense to me why they wouldn’t pursue Hamels for just money….we’ll see.

    —————–

    Yes we will see but unfortunately I don’t think anything will happen.

  242. blake May 13th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    “how long is that contract for?”

    forever…..that contract is much worse than Alex’s….because there were questions about his real age….because Albert already was showing some signs of decline…..and because history has shown that contracts of that nature aren’t very good after age 30…..

  243. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    This blog is hysterical, whining about Joba starting, whining about Jeter not batting lead off, now whining about trading Montero. Joba was a mediocre starting pitcher, Jeter is one of the best baseball players of all times and a great leadoff hitter and pitching is what wins championships. The Montero trade was a good one, any good GM makes that deal every time. Two superb young arms for a promising hitter and average catcher/DH on a team with plenty of hitting and catching and DH’s. (yes really, go read the AL batting stats for 2012)

  244. CompassRosy May 13th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    “Yankees 1 for 1 stealing. Let’s see how he does against a running team.”

    ~

    Jesus does needs work in that department…
    the top base-stealing teams in the AL are OAK, CHW and CLE. He has faced each once and they have gone 3/4 against him (he got Beckham). There is the thought that base-stealers steal on the pitcher, not the catcher (one was off Millwood, two off Noesi and Iwakuma was pitching for the CS) so hopefully, they can work together to improve.

  245. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Joba was a mediocre starting pitcher,

    ———————

    He started for a yr and half

  246. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    You are entitled to your opinion.

  247. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    2012 32 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $12,000,000
    2013 33 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $16,000,000
    2014 34 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $23,000,000
    2015 35 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $24,000,000
    2016 36 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $25,000,000
    2017 37 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $26,000,000
    2018 38 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $27,000,000
    2019 39 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $28,000,000
    2020 40 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $29,000,000
    2021 41 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $30,000,000

  248. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Not an opinion it’s fact he started for a yr and half. If he’s mediocre what has Hughes been for his career?

  249. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    blake

    and then : 10-year, $10M personal-services contract begins once player contract expires

    angels are screwed.

  250. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    How are they paying him 30 million dollars at 41 yrs old.

  251. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    “How are they paying him 30 million dollars at 41 yrs old.”

    good point, they’ll be bankrupt by then.

    that hundred million personal services contract might be a little problem too.

  252. jacksquat May 13th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    The Angels are more screwed than the Rangers were, because Hal ain’t takin’ that contract.

  253. Your Worst Nightmare May 13th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    He started for a yr and half

    =============

    And was crap………………….

  254. Tar May 13th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    “cashman is not a former player, he is an executive”

    Actually he was a second baseman for Catholic University, Played all four years.

  255. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Yes he started for a year and a half and in that second year he gave up more hits than innings pitched, 21 home runs, had a WHIP of 1.54, had an ERA just south of 5 and in only 4 games out of 31 he started did he go seven innings. No thanks.

  256. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    “The Angels are more screwed than the Rangers were, because Hal ain’t takin’ that contract.”

    hopefully hank is locked up somewhere.

  257. blake May 13th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    How are they paying him 30 million dollars at 41 yrs old.

    At least Alex’s contract decreases with age…..Albert will hit again but right now that deal is looking like a disaster…..the Angels have to win now to make it worthwhile…..

  258. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    blake May 13th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    How are they paying him 30 million dollars at 41 yrs old.

    At least Alex’s contract decreases with age…..Albert will hit again but right now that deal is looking like a disaster…..the Angels have to win now to make it worthwhile…..

    ——————-

    Exactly at least with A-rod it starts to decrease the older he gets.

  259. Eroc May 13th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Who is the last GM who traded an elite young bat for a pitcher?

    Young hitting has become the premier commodity. Too much fragility, unpredictability, and risk in young pitchers.

  260. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Yes he started for a year and a half and in that second year he gave up more hits than innings pitched, 21 home runs, had a WHIP of 1.54, had an ERA just south of 5 and in only 4 games out of 31 he started did he go seven innings. No thanks.

    —————————————

    Lol are you forgetting at one point they truncated his starts with the stupid rules. There were games where they asked him to get 6 outs and then hit the showers. I’m not doubting that there were times he struggled but let’s be honest he was never given a shot. It’s fine though he has made a fine career being a middle reliever.

  261. blake May 13th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    “The Angels are more screwed than the Rangers were, because Hal ain’t takin’ that contract.”

    Also because the Rangers signed a 25 year old SS….not a 31 (maybe older) 1b…

  262. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Eroc May 13th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Who is the last GM who traded an elite young bat for a pitcher?

    ————————-

    Who was the GM that traded The Natural to the Rangers?

  263. blake May 13th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Who is the last GM who traded an elite young bat for a pitcher?”

    Besides Cashman?

  264. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Your Worst Nightmare May 13th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    He started for a yr and half

    =============

    And was crap………………….

    ——————–

    Most young pitchers are crap at that age

  265. blake May 13th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    The Brewers traded Lawrie for Marcum….that was pretty dumb.

  266. Jerzz May 13th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    “It’s fine though he has made a fine career being a middle reliever.”

    Yep – and Cashman wonders why they haven’t developed even a consistent major league starter outside Wang in the last two decades.

  267. Your Worst Nightmare May 13th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Joba the trampoline man, back in the rotation ? That dream are is the alternate reality. AAA guys will be in the rotation before and ‘IF’ he gets another crack, which is a ‘HUGE IF’

  268. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    “How are they paying him 30 million dollars at 41 yrs old.”

    good point, they’ll be bankrupt by then.

    that hundred million personal services contract might be a little problem too.

    ————————

    Looks like the Halos bit off more than they can chew

  269. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    “Who is the last GM who traded an elite young bat for a pitcher?”

    volquez for hamilton?

  270. Tar May 13th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Smoak for Lee

  271. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Nova is not a consistent major league starter? 21-7 doesn’t work for you huh?

  272. Jerzz May 13th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    “Who was the GM that traded The Natural to the Rangers?”

    Hamilton for Volquez.

    Lawrie for Marcum

    Not surprisingly, those are two of the dumbest trades over the past 5 years.

  273. blake May 13th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    ————————-

    Who was the GM that traded The Natural to the Rangers?

    Wayne Kristy

  274. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Nova is not a consistent major league starter? 21-7 doesn’t work for you huh?

    ———————–

    Fausto Carmona was 19-8 at one point and I like Nova but he still has a ways to go.

  275. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    “That’s how you win – pitching and defense.”
    - Derek Jeter

    Think that guy knows anything about winning world championships?

  276. Jerzz May 13th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Find me a Jeter quote that isn’t a cliche, it would be the first.

  277. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    I mean Roberto Hernandez :D

  278. yankee 221 May 13th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    AAO,

    Yep. The game is littered with guys who had success early then fizzled out.

    If they were intent on trading Montero, they would have been far better off getting a Lee or Halladay, someone they could slot right into the top of their rotation from day 1 with no durability or performance questions, rather than a young unpredictable starter, regardless of upside.

  279. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Jeter happens to be right and thats why the Montero trade was a good one. Good pitching shuts down good hitting. The injuries were unfortunate but have nothing to do with evaluating whether the trade made sense at the time. Also, the Yankees have plenty of hitting and their rotation was very iffy. You deal away strength to fill weaknesses.

  280. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    yankee 221 May 13th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    AAO,

    Yep. The game is littered with guys who had success early then fizzled out.

    If they were intent on trading Montero, they would have been far better off getting a Lee or Halladay, someone they could slot right into the top of their rotation from day 1 with no durability or performance questions, rather than a young unpredictable starter, regardless of upside.

    ——————–

    They took all the risk. The GM himself admitted it.

  281. jacksquat May 13th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Tar May 13th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
    “cashman is not a former player, he is an executive”

    Actually he was a second baseman for Catholic University, Played all four years.

    I meant major leagues. :)

    He wasn’t a long time minor/major league player, not a scout (that I know of), he is an executive that needs to rely on the expert opinions of others, which isn’t unusual.

    So Girardi likely told him he didn’t think he could be an above average catcher defensively, and that is what he wanted, and we all also know about his “rotating dh” strategy. It’s only logical to conclude that he was a major driver of the Montero decision.

  282. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Jeter happens to be right and thats why the Montero trade was a good one. Good pitching shuts down good hitting. The injuries were unfortunate but have nothing to do with evaluating whether the trade made sense at the time. Also, the Yankees have plenty of hitting and their rotation was very iffy. You deal away strength to fill weaknesses.

    —————————

    Weren’t we suppose to reach the point when the pitching was a strength on the team?

  283. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    If Pineda comes back from the injury and is a dependable starter who wins 12-15 games for the next ten years, no one is going to call this a bad deal. If he doesn’t become a productive starter, it can be called a bad deal.

    To evaluate this trade after a month and a week is just ridiculous.

  284. UnKnown May 13th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    mick May 13th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    Pettitte vs Cinci this Friday.
    Sounds cool.

    ——

    Keep that ball low and away from Votto. Dude says he found the little that was wrong with his swing this year and is really heating up.

  285. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
    Weren’t we suppose to reach the point when the pitching was a strength on the team?

    I don’t know who said that was supposed to happen. Every team tries to put together the best rotation they can. Things happen, injury, poor performance, etc.

  286. UnKnown May 13th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    So if Hal were to sell the team would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I mean I suppose there are a lot of factors that enter into answering that question.

  287. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
    Weren’t we suppose to reach the point when the pitching was a strength on the team?

    I don’t know who said that was supposed to happen. Every team tries to put together the best rotation they can. Things happen, injury, poor performance, etc.

    ——————–

    Cashman did. His vision was to grow the starters. He’s been talking about this since Generation ‘trey.

  288. UnKnown May 13th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    It would be so nice if Tex started putting up numbers that resemble the back of his baseball card like he always claims that he will do.

  289. rm May 13th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    They now have a rotation that can win in October. If Andy is close to what he used to be the rotation could quickly become a strength. All 5 starters are very capable going forward. Phelps and Garcia are probably better than most 6/7 starters around the league. I am very optimistic about this pitching staff there are a lot of options and at least 3 of them are likely to be pitching well in October.

  290. yankee 221 May 13th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    “So if Hal were to sell the team would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I mean I suppose there are a lot of factors that enter into answering that question.”

    Depends who he sells it to. Someone like Mark Cuban – absolutely. Someone young and fresh who knows the game, who is invested in the team, has the pulse of what the fans want, and wants to win at all costs.

    If its someone like James Dolan who just wants to make money and has no clue who to entrust with decision making and knows nothing about the sport, well, then it will be a disaster.

    Ideally, it would be something like the Nolan Ryan group . Someone who knows the game and what the fans want combined with someone willing to spend the money to make it happen, a ying-yang effect. Also need smart decision makers in place.

    They need to sell the team to a maverick, not a suit.

  291. austinmac May 13th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    For the first time the sale of the team doesn’t sound like a bad idea. A new Yankee owner would want to win and reenergize the fan base.

    It should be noted the Sunday game with Pettitte returning “only” drew 41,000. I believe it is indisputable the buzz about the team is less. That may be the biggest loss from Montero’s departure. He brought hope of a new star. We all love that.

    The Yankees, I believe, better beware alienating their fans. No longer do we feel no stone will be unturned or dollar spent to try to better the team.

  292. CompassRosy May 14th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    “angels are screwed.”

    ~

    and this is a GOOD thing ;)

    ****

    boy, sure hard to imagine anyone getting past the Rangers…

  293. Yank1 May 14th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    It should be noted the Sunday game with Pettitte returning “only” drew 41,000. I believe it is indisputable the buzz about the team is less. That may be the biggest loss from Montero’s departure. He brought hope of a new star. We all love that.

    The Yankees, I believe, better beware alienating their fans. No longer do we feel no stone will be unturned or dollar spent to try to better the team.

    ————–

    yeah, I agree. Buzz is subjective obviously, but I don’t think anyone can deny that this team is far less exciting, compelling, and interesting than in years past. They have just kind of settled into a solid, consistent unit. Nothing flashy about them, they’ll win their 95 games and pound on the Jays, Orioles, and As, going on a couple hot streaks in-between their typical streakiness and cold streaks. They’ll be in the mix for a division or WC and be playing in October.

    That sounds good in theory, but it’s not enough to keep fans interested. If they can’t get more than 40K for a Mothers Day Sunday game with Andy making his debut, when will they get that? The place looks like the Trop on most weeknights. George understood business and realized it’s not always about lining his own pockets. The team has become stale and needs to be re-energized. They are living off their reputation now. That won’t last forever and it’s already showing in the dead ballpark.

    Someone said it a couple of weeks ago and it is the perfect analogy – Yankees used to be the Lakers, now they are the Spurs.

  294. jacksquat May 14th, 2012 at 2:56 am

    You mean Jeter can’t fill the stadium by himself? :)

    Seriously, I doubt the Montero trade has much to do with it at all.

  295. blake May 14th, 2012 at 6:56 am

    Id be interested to see what the actual attendance and TV ratings are as compared to last year and say 3 years ago…..if they are in fact falling then does Hal continue on this cost cutting endeavor?

    Cutting expenses doesnt necessarily mean more profit if revenues fall faster than the cutting……the Yankees arent the cubs….the fanbase expects a certain level of performance….

  296. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    blake

    i watch almost every game on either iphone or on computer.

    i’m out of market and i’m assuming the yankees only get a 1/30 share for this.

    there are probably more yankee fans nationally then there are in the in market area.

    the yankees need to figure out a way to monetize me and yankee fans like me

  297. blake May 14th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Randy,

    Me too….i watch on MLB.TV unless its on national TV or MLBnetwork……i dont know how all that really works but as you say i doubt its as good for the teams as it could be…..if you watch on the conputer does that factor into YES ratings? Youre still watching a YES broadcast but the advertising is different…..anyway….i think Hal should be careful with the cost cutting …..Yankee fans will only accept a cheaper team if the quality remains the same……

  298. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Good morning Randy and Blake-

    Funny read probably posted by a disenchanted LoHud blogger:

    Yankees News and Notes – I’mGivingYouACaseOfTheMondays
    by I’mGivingYouARaise on May 14, 2012 6:00 AM EDT in New York Yankees News

    The Yankees decided to ruin Mother’s Day for all the mothers out there by losing 6-2 to the Seattle Mariners.

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/

  299. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    If I’m reading this 2012 club average attendance correctly the Yankees are filling 80.9% seats at home compared to the Phillies and Red Sox whose attendance is greater than the total number of seats.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

  300. blake May 14th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Trader,

    Good morning….i think th key isbif they are sold or not……if the seats are sold and fans just arent coming then the brass probably doesnt care.

  301. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Blake-

    If the all the corporate boxes are sold and most of the legend seats are too, then the owners are probably thrilled. I don’t know how many legend seats there are, but anytime I watch the Yankees, they never look to be filled to even 50% capacity, when the TV shots focus behind home plate and down the lines.

    I’ve never been to the new stadium, but any fan noise, which seems fairly non-existant, is muted by the vast openess of the stadium.

  302. jacksquat May 14th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Avg home attendance:

    2009: 45,364
    2010: 46,491
    2011: 45,107
    2012: 40,710

    I don’t know if “attendance” actually means sales.

  303. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    You guys are hilarious. So now Hal doesn’t care about making money?

    3 years ago Hal let Cashman spend 500 million on 3 players.

    The year before that this same ownership signed A-Rod to a stupid new contract with all types of stupid performance incentives built in.

    This winter they restructured CC’s contract without blinking an eye. The year before that they tried to sign Cliff Lee to a 25 mil a year contract.

    Now Hal doesn’t care about winning because they want to meet a budget so that they aren’t subsidizing the league for the next umpteen years and this is a bad thing?

    Got news for you guys, this new stadium is a cash cow. More concessions, higher priced items equate to more money, not less, despite their being less fans in the stands.

    The payroll has been virtually static the last few years. Where are all these new austerity measures I keep hearing about anyway?

    Who did the club not sign that they shoulda/coulda signed but did not because of monetary concerns?

    Last I checked the Yankees still had the highest payroll in the league as well.

  304. jacksquat May 14th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    I’d guess most of the corporate boxes and legend seats are bought and essentially paid for by our tax money as they are written off as business expenses. Enjoy.

  305. blake May 14th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    “You guys are hilarious. So now Hal doesn’t care about making money?”

    Who said that? I think thats all he cares about.

  306. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Usually attendance reported at game time means sales and not how many people went thru the turnstiles, I believe.

    Raymagnetic-

    They could have signed Carlos Beltran to share OF/DH and could have signed CJ Wilson who was practically begging to come to NY and not made THE TRADE.

  307. RSM May 14th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I know everyone loves to harp on the empty legends seats, but I’m going to rain on the working class hero parade. Legends seats come with access to 2 lounges and a huge club. Many people watch the game from these places rather than their actual seats.

  308. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    RSM May 14th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I know everyone loves to harp on the empty legends seats, but I’m going to rain on the working class hero parade. Legends seats come with access to 2 lounges and a huge club. Many people watch the game from these places rather than their actual seats.

    ————————

    That’s the problem though.

  309. blake May 14th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    “Who did the club not sign that they shoulda/coulda signed but did not because of monetary concerns?”

    Matt Holliday, Yu Darvish…..but the biggest issues with this may come in the future…..we’ll see what they do over the next couple of years. My only point was that Hal needs to be careful that the quality of the product isnt affected if he intends to cut payroll…..Yankee fans will tolerate lower payrolls so long as they win and are competing for championships……if they notice a lesser product or more importantly a lesser commitment to winning by ownership then they wont tolerate that and will show it by not going to games and not buying merchandise ……Hal has a cover with the new CBA to slash payroll….but he has to be careful about doing it IMO.

  310. blake May 14th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Oh and yes…..Beltran was the most recent example

  311. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    blake May 13th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    The Brewers traded Lawrie for Marcum….that was pretty dumb.

    ———————–

    Very dumb on so many levels

  312. austinmac May 14th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    The failure of people to attend gand games even if the seats are sold must result in a large income loss. People buy and spend at the games. Their absence means decreased income.

    I don’t suggest the Yankees are in any financial distress, but the trend is down. Why is attendance down 5,000 people or over 10 percent?

  313. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Attendance figures are based on tickets sold. I just checked. Here’s a link.

    http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com.....ance-watch

  314. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    “Who did the club not sign that they shoulda/coulda signed but did not because of monetary concerns?

    Last I checked the Yankees still had the highest payroll in the league as well.”

    the titantic was doing just fine if you look backwards from the time it hit the iceberg.

    the real point is what happens from now on.

    i don’t get the feeling the yankees are going to sign granderson because of his age when his fee agency comes.

    the yankees are trending back towards the pack as far as spending goes.

    i think a sea change is happening and the yankees are doing business with the same management as they had when they had money to burn.

    i doubt very much these guys will be innovative in the new financial environment.

    i’ve lowered my expectations with the yankees and my enthusiasm level for them based on their hitting the brakes as they go into a skid.

    if they had hit the gas to get out of the skid, i’d be a lot more interested.

    all other things equal, hal should make it fun to be a yankee fan.

    be bold.

  315. Giuseppe Franco May 14th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    People do have to understand that the attendance is always down the first roughly 6-8 weeks of the season.

    Once the weather warms up and stays warm, in addition to kids off from school during the summer, we will see fewer empty seats in the stands.

    Also, it is possible that the economy could be affecting ticket sales too. I wonder what ticket sales are like across MLB in comparison to the Yanks this season.

  316. jacksquat May 14th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    The transition is going to be tough no matter how talented the management is, because they are saddled with big contracts from the freer spending days.

  317. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    They didn’t need Yu Darvish or Matt Holliday or Carlos Beltran (lol on that one).

    I’ll take the outfield as presently constituted, thank you!

    Yu Darvish was a HUGE financial risk. The Year before however they were more than willing to spend the money on a PROVEN commodity in Cliff Lee.

    Sorry but I’m not buying into the whole Yankees are afraid to spend money until they actually start spending less money.

  318. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Again attendance figures released are based on ticket sales and not turnstile entry.

    GF-

    Here’s the up to date 2012 attendance figures for all major league clubs. You can scroll backwards for prior years.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

  319. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    “I don’t suggest the Yankees are in any financial distress, but the trend is down. Why is attendance down 5,000 people or over 10 percent?”

    austinmac-

    just think about all people on the blog. are you and i excited about yankee baseball this year?

    on a scale of 1-10, i’m at about a 6 on the “excited about the yankees” scale .

    personally i don’t like it when a team i root for doesn’t make sense long term to me. sensing a down trending team doesn’t inspire interest. i’ll do something else wit my time.

    had the yankees went all in with montero, i would have been more interested. i would have had a new kid to root for every game. what young yankee player are we rooting for every day ? as far as veteran players swisher is already gone and probably granderson too if he keeps going the way he is.

    hughes will be too expensive to keep if he does well. the yankees are stuck with the alex and teixeira contracts for years. it’s not an inspiring future at the moment.

    i would feel better if the yankees came out and said the new CBA was directed against the yankees and that this was causing a major shift in the way they do business, and that the yankees would be blowing the team up and starting over with the new rules.

    i would watch more to see a ship being built than watching a sinking ship.

  320. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    I don’t think the Yankees are “afraid” to spend money. They seem to want to stop funding the luxury tax pool. Now could the “1″ baseball sports valued franchise in the world, by Forbes, be looking for new investors with a plan to sell the team before 2014?

    Manchester United continue to top the Forbes list as the most valuable football club in the world but Real Madrid are gaining ground.

    United also remain ranked as the most valuable team in any sport, worth $2.24bn (£1.4bn), $385m more than baseball’s New York Yankees and the NFL’s Dallas Cowboys.

  321. blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    “They didn’t need Yu Darvish or Matt Holliday or Carlos Beltran (lol on that one).”

    Yea Beltran and his 13 homers and 1.058 OPS and ability to actually play the outfield wouldnt help at all on a 2 year contract……yea lol

  322. JM May 14th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Apparently the Red Sox sell-out streak may be a hoax anyway….

    http://deadspin.com/sellout-streaks-are-fake/

  323. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    “They didn’t need Yu Darvish or Matt Holliday or Carlos Beltran (lol on that one).”

    Yea Beltran and his 13 homers and 1.058 OPS and ability to actually play the outfield wouldnt help at all on a 2 year contract……yea lol

    —————-’

    And he exactly wanted to be here that’s the thing that’s weird.

  324. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Randy-

    You have a point about the excitement scale. For me the excitement scale coming into a new season, is based on “offseason” acquisitions or minor league promotions, that I look forward to seeing play as Yankees. It also is based on trades made at the deadline to bolster the team.

    The past two years I haven’t been all that excited.

  325. Yankee Trader May 14th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Have to go. Have a great day everyone.

    If you do indeed read the blogs with your morning coffee, Mr Cashman, please insist that Joe drop Teixeira down in the lineup, and start searching for another catcher. :)

  326. GreenBeret7 May 14th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Beltran had physical issues. He wanted to play anywhere that would pay him the most. And just because the papers and his agent said he was willing to play for less for the honor of being a Yankee, doesn’t make it fact, because as we know, agents and players never “stretch the truth” when going after a contract and the media has never lied or exaggerated to sell a story to the gullible public.

  327. blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    The Yanks SHOULD get creative with a contract offee to Hamilton this winter…..and they SHOULD pursue Cole Hamels as well……

    Hamilton vastly improves the offense and also hurts Texas at the sane time…..it would be risky yes…..but if you wanna talk about excitement at the stadium…..there you go….

  328. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    yankee trader-

    baseball is supposed to be entertainment.

    entertain us or else we’ll do something else.

    now there are different ways to be interesting and for something to be fun to watch, but there’s something about the way that the yankees are going about things that is kind of boring.

    yes, there are good moments. jeter’s resurgence is most welcome. seeing pettitte was must see.
    mariano being out is a real downer.

    even though seattle is a few games below .500, i get the feeling that is more fun to be a seattle fan right now.

  329. blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    “Beltran had physical issues. ”

    HAD….aside from the microfracture surgery hes been very durable in his career…..hes gotten the injury prone wrap from really one injury and two seasons with the Mets….he played 140 games last year and as I said all winter…..hes still really gold and can really hit RHP….

  330. 86w183 May 14th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Hamilton and Hamels combined would probably cost $ 45 M

    Mariano + Swisher + Kuroda + Pettite + Feliciano + Garcia = $ 45 M

    Doable if the payroll stays flat, but very difficult to pull off if $ 189 has to happen

  331. blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    “Doable if the payroll stays flat, but very difficult to pull off if $ 189 has to happen”

    Yea I agree…..but what if increased revenues made up for the difference in payroll and luxury tax? What if they won a couple of WS having the Cano/Hamilton and CC/Hamels combos? There are all kinds of ways to make profit……that way sounds more fun to me….

  332. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Yea Beltran lied twice about wanting to play for the Yankees :roll:

  333. GreenBeret7 May 14th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    You can stomp you feet and capitalize all the words you want, but it doesn’t make it so. He hasn’t been a 15 mil a year player in 4 years. Much of his value was his ability to play center field and steal bases. That isn’t there any more.

  334. blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    “You can stomp you feet and capitalize all the words you want, but it doesn’t make it so. He hasn’t been a 15 mil a year player in 4 years.”

    Hes certainly playing like it now…..and on a two year contract the AAV doesnt matter as much…..he woukd have been gone before 2014 anyway.

  335. blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    The Cardinals look like geniuses right now…..they got Beltran for 2/28 who is hitting like Pujols…..the Angels Pujols for 10/250 who is hitting like Ramero Pena……obviosly Albert will do better…..but the Cards made the right decision…..and made a very good move signing Beltran to that short term deal.

  336. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Hindsight is always 20/20. It’s 20/15 on this blog.

    Why sign Beltran when you have 3 healthy and capable outfielders?

    How do you know they didn’t try to sign him and he wanted too much money? Oh yeah, you don’t.

    I’ll start worrying about them spending less money when there’s demonstrable proof they’re spending less money.

  337. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Beltran has been worth 30, 13, 3, and 21 million the past 4 years. SO yes, he has been a 15 mil player.

    .300 .385 .525 .910 in 140 games isn’t 15 mil? Sorry yer dumb.
    .284 .376 .500 .876 in 151 games in CF isn’t 15 mil? Get out.
    He got hurt in 2009 but before that he hit .325 .415 .500 .915 in half a season.

    You pick the worst things to try and argue against.

  338. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    14 million per is a good move for a part time player which he would’ve been on the Yankees? Alrighty then.

    No, I’d rather pay half that for ibanez and Jones.

  339. yankeefeminista May 14th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    It felt very natural to see Andy back on the mound. If the “O” hadn’t tanked, Andy pitched well enough to win in spite of some iffy command, especially on the cutter. He just needs to get a little of the rust off. Pretty pumped crowd although a lot of empty seats. No way were there 41,000 in attendance. It looked like about a little over 32,000. A lot of huge expanses of empty seats especially behind the plate on all levels and in the OF grandstands. Loved the Creatures roll call chant of “Andy Pettitte.” The crowd typically didn’t pick up the chant. This isn’t OYS, but it was a beautiful day, and people were so happy to see Andy out there pitching. Not sure why we didn’t pull Rapada for Sori vs. Wells. I thought we had a shot to rally, but Swish had to try to stretch that double… But what matters is that Andy is back and he will have an impact on the SP. Watching the replay right now.

    Also while weather definitely affects attendance, it is unprecedented that in NYS, so many weekend season plans are available. People when they are buying would rather buy from the cheap Stubhub secondary market than pay face. So, I think people either have become jaded or it just makes better financial sense to no longer buy seasons.

    As for the acrimonious comments last night here about Montero, had he not had 3 line drive outs, he could have been 5 for 10 at the Stadium this weekend. FTR, no one is backing off on their evaluation of Montero’s ability. The kid caught and he hit some shots, and he keeps learning. And all the petty antagonism toward him isn’t going to in any way adversely affect his baseball career. So, just a response to the Montero trolls; glad at I was at the games and missed the petty stuff that escalates here for no good reason.

    Just getting caught up on the minor leagues. Nice outing by ManBan. Sanchez and Mason are back, and Abe keeps on hitting. Also saw David Adams played for Trenton. Good for him.

    Anyway, regardless of attendance, etc. it was a beautiful weekend for baseball and there was no where else I would rather have been. C beasting, Kuroda pitching well, Hughes doing what some of us expected he would do now that he is trusting his changeup, and Andy back! But as to the excitement factor, the offense is what it is. And the lack of speed adds to the one dimensionality of this offense. Add in that they looked a little tired and unable to deal with off speed pitches yesterday. I’d drop Teix down to take some pressure off him. And all I can say is thank God for Robinson Cano.

  340. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Why sign Beltran when you have 3 healthy and capable outfielders?

    How do you know they didn’t try to sign him and he wanted too much money? Oh yeah, you don’t.

    Because the Yankees really wanted to do a rotating DH and were targeting the outfield for this to work? And Beltran is an outfielder that might benefit from DH time and oh by the way is also one of the better hitters in the league and asked the Yankees to match the cardinals because he has wanted to play for the Yankees his entire career?

  341. GreenBeret7 May 14th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    And the Yankees looked like geniuses last year by picking up Colon and Garcia. Half of this place were screaming for Fielder and Pujols over the winter. They sure look like geniuses now, don’t they. The whining for every player that’s having or a hot season reminds me of a bunch of spoiled brats. I’m as sick of hearing that as I am about hearing every time Montero belches or farts.

  342. Triple Short of a Cycle May 14th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    The Cardinals look like geniuses right now…..they got Beltran for 2/28 who is hitting like Pujols…..the Angels Pujols for 10/250 who is hitting like Ramero Pena……obviosly Albert will do better…..but the Cards made the right decision…..and made a very good move signing Beltran to that short term deal.

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    and they have Allen Craig who isn’t even a full time player. I wish we had a guy like that

  343. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    14 million per is a good move for a part time player which he would’ve been on the Yankees? Alrighty then.

    Ibanez has played in 28 of 34 games and is a liability in the field, which Beltran is not. He could have covered in all 3 OF positions (CF in a pinch) and DH. He would not be a part time player, he would be a player that makes the rotating DH make sense.

  344. 86w183 May 14th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Signing Beltran would have taken the payroll over $ 220M. At what point are they spending enough money? With Gardner, Granderson and Swisher Beltran would have been a luxury.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see them try to replace Swisher with Melky or BJ Upton to get 4 years younger at that position.

  345. pkyankfan69 May 14th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    86w183 May 14th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Hamilton and Hamels combined would probably cost $ 45 M

    Mariano + Swisher + Kuroda + Pettite + Feliciano + Garcia = $ 45 M

    Doable if the payroll stays flat, but very difficult to pull off if $ 189 has to happen
    ————————————–
    Don’t forget about AJ!

  346. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    “Jerkface says:
    May 14, 2012 at 9:39 am
    14 million per is a good move for a part time player which he would’ve been on the Yankees? Alrighty then.

    Ibanez has played in 28 of 34 games and is a liability in the field, which Beltran is not. He could have covered in all 3 OF positions (CF in a pinch) and DH. He would not be a part time player, he would be a player that makes the rotating DH make sense.”

    Why has ibanez played so much? Oh yeah, the youngest capable outfielder they have is injured.

    Again though, how does not signing Beltran prove they’re not willing to spend money? Oh yeah, it doesn’t.

  347. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Signing Beltran would have taken the payroll over $ 220M. At what point are they spending enough money? With Gardner, Granderson and Swisher Beltran would have been a luxury.

    Beltran for 2 years would have given them leverage when Swisher departs.

  348. pkyankfan69 May 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    At the very least the Yanks should act interested in Hamilton and drive up the $$/years on the Rangers.

  349. blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    “Hindsight is always 20/20. It’s 20/15 on this blog.”

    Its not really hindsight when i was saying they should sign him in December……especially if they knew they werr trading Montero.

  350. blake May 14th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    “No, I’d rather pay half that for ibanez and Jones”

    Im not Hal’s CPA….so Id rather have the better players.

  351. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Why has ibanez played so much? Oh yeah, the youngest capable outfielder they have is injured.

    Ibanez or Jones played in every game up until Gardner got hurt. Beltran would have played in every game as well. Not part time player.

  352. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    “As for the acrimonious comments last night here about Montero, had he not had 3 line drive outs, he could have been 5 for 10 at the Stadium this weekend. FTR, no one is backing off on their evaluation of Montero’s ability. The kid caught and he hit some shots, and he keeps learning. And all the petty antagonism toward him isn’t going to in any way adversely affect his baseball career. So, just a response to the Montero trolls; glad at I was at the games and missed the petty stuff that escalates here for no good reason.”

    yankee feminista-

    no matter how montero trolls try to spin it , jesus had a really good weekend.

    yankee stadium is a very good ballpark for him to hit in.

    his catching didn’t surprise me, but you could tell there are a lot of people on the blog who thought he couldn’t catch( because they were told that so many times he couldn’t) are wondering what the hell the yankees were thinking when they put out the spin that he was only a dh.

    i’m hoping we’ll be seeing him back in pinstripes at age 28 :)

  353. yankeefeminista May 14th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    FTWC, Wang should be pitching for Syracuse in the mlb network game that is being televised at noon today.

  354. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    So not signing Beltran proves that the Yankees have stopped spending money?

    Which is my contention from the beginning. The Yankees have been spending money and there’s no demonstrable proof that they’ve stopped.

  355. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    By the way, I’d let swisher walk, sign Hamilton, let Grandy walk and let a rookie have the other Outfield spot in 2014.

  356. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I’m debating specific things. The things I replied to.

  357. yankeefeminista May 14th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Randy, I am frankly tired of the discussion, but it is interesting to see how much confirmation bias distorts perception. I doubt the Yanks will sign Montero as a FA. This crew, if they are still around, are too enamored of defensive catching at the expense of O. Plus we should have Sanchez in the fold by Montero’s FA years. Here’s hoping. Fittingly, while I was at the game, the video board flashed Martin’s stolen base stats along with Girardi’s 1996 13 SB stats. That essentially epitomizes what the Yanks want in a catcher…

  358. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Also, they didn’t sign Beltran the first time because the boss didn’t want to spend on both Beltran and Johnson so them not signing another player because of budget concerns isn’t anything new.

    Been like this for a while now.

  359. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Also, they didn’t sign Beltran the first time because the boss didn’t want to spend on both Beltran and Johnson so them not signing another player because of budget concerns isn’t anything new.

    Been like this for a while now.

    Was a mistake both times. The first time Beltran even offered them a discount, because who wants to play for the Mets?

  360. raymagnetic May 14th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    “Jerkface says:
    May 14, 2012 at 9:58 am
    I’m debating specific things. The things I replied to.”

    Well I was debating the Yankees willingness to spend. And they haven’t stopped spending yet as far as I can see.

  361. Stoneburner May 14th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Jeter happens to be right and thats why the Montero trade was a good one. Good pitching shuts down good hitting. The injuries were unfortunate but have nothing to do with evaluating whether the trade made sense at the time. Also, the Yankees have plenty of hitting and their rotation was very iffy. You deal away strength to fill weaknesses.

    ******

    QFT – good post – - – -

  362. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Well I was debating the Yankees willingness to spend.

    Not really, you posted some very specific arguments which I responded.

  363. yankeefeminista May 14th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Actually, the Yankees have pitching; it is their hitting that is iffy.

  364. Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Man, I know I’m gonna make the blog mad by saying this but I’m pretty sure every time Montero hits a solid line drive I’m going to want to throw up a little…

    Anyway, after watching Tex’s swing again this weekend I’m more committed to trading him than I was before lol. If we eat $10 million of it we are at least off the hook for another $13 million. I’d spend $10 million if it meant not watching that swing get any uglier. I really hope someone is looking at which of their bigger contracts can be moved.

  365. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Anyway, after watching Tex’s swing again this weekend I’m more committed to trading him than I was before lol. If we eat $10 million of it we are at least off the hook for another $13 million. I’d spend $10 million if it meant not watching that swing get any uglier. I really hope someone is looking at which of their bigger contracts can be moved.

    Don’t read the article by Ken Rosenthal where the only reason the Yankees didnt get to draft Mike Trout is because they signed Mark Teixeira :x

  366. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    “Which is my contention from the beginning. The Yankees have been spending money and there’s no demonstrable proof that they’ve stopped.”

    Nobody said theyve stopped spending all together….but they are clearly gearing towards new CBA….theyve said as much…..and thats fine…..but if they are going to operate differently then they need to be more efficient and smarter…..otherwise we will see a decease in quality on the field…..Im not sure they can run efficiently enough to make this work…..

  367. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    “Anyway, after watching Tex’s swing again this weekend I’m more committed to trading him than I was before lol.”

    You figure out how….and submit via email your thesis to Cashman ;)

  368. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    “Don’t read the article by Ken Rosenthal where the only reason the Yankees didnt get to draft Mike Trout is because they signed Mark Teixeira”

    Yea its a double whammy…..think if the Yanks had Montero at 1B and Trout in the outfield making league minimum ……and 23 extra million a year to spend…..thinking of it that way is hindsight thinking …..but it sucks either way.

  369. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Don’t read the article by Ken Rosenthal where the only reason the Yankees didnt get to draft Mike Trout is because they signed Mark Teixeira :x

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    crap lol

  370. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Yea its a double whammy…..think if the Yanks had Montero at 1B and Trout in the outfield making league minimum ……and 23 extra million a year to spend…..thinking of it that way is hindsight thinking …..but it sucks either way.

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    I guess the bright side is Tex helped us win a WS ring

  371. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    The Yanks could offer Teixera and about 20 or 30 million to the Dodgers……but hed nix it with his no trade even if they said yes.

    They are probably stuck with him…..what they can do is enjoy his defense…..hope he continues to be an elite hitter against lefties…..and then stop pretending hes a middle of the order hitter vs RHP and replace his lack of production with somebody else….

  372. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Tex hitting .230 with 30 homers and great defense is a lot less of an issue if hes hitting 7th and Josh Hamilton is in the middle of the order……

  373. Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    blake – I know it seems crazy but there have to be teams that would want Mark Teixeria’s 40 HR/100 RBI’s and first rate defense at 1B for $10-12 million a year.

    If you can trade AJ based on the fact that you know you can get 200 innings out of him than I think you can trade Tex on the same premise. And he doesn’t have the injury history Burnett had before he got to NY. He plays a good number of games every season, is a switch hitter, and a gives you guaranteed gold glove defense.

    Someone in the FO should be able to spin that for something we need: cap space. (UGH, I just threw up a lil again…)

  374. LGY May 14th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Don’t read the article by Ken Rosenthal where the only reason the Yankees didnt get to draft Mike Trout is because they signed Mark Teixeira

    ———

    Brutal.

  375. Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    “Don’t read the article by Ken Rosenthal where the only reason the Yankees didnt get to draft Mike Trout is because they signed Mark Teixeira :x

    I’m ignoring this lol. I can’t even take the thought…

  376. Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “…but hed nix it with his no trade even if they said yes. ”

    I really think the NTC is the least of the issues with moving that contract. When has a team made it clear they wanted to move a player and not been successful because of the player blocking it? Usually, it causes a clubhouse nightmare and despite the fact that it might take longer than either side would like, the player usually gets moved. You basically tell him his playing time is getting cut if he sticks around and they don’t have much of a choice.

    Not a nice way to do business but dear lord we need to move some pieces around that aren’t our young and cheap players.

  377. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Shame,

    You could try….but the problems are the no trade and the fact that Tex looks like a player that is free falling …….front offices are prerry smart on fhe whole these days….i think itd be tough to trade him without eating half or more of his contract….

  378. NYYanksFan May 14th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    The Yankees said they thought Montero could be an everyday catcher. It was other teams scouts and GMs who said he couldn’t.

    Beltran wanted to be a Yankee for the same reason Teixeira did. They wanted the big money without the accountability of having to carry a team.

  379. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Shame,

    Like i said….make it happen…..I like Tex…..I wish hed play better.

  380. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “…but hed nix it with his no trade even if they said yes. ”

    I really think the NTC is the least of the issues with moving that contract. When has a team made it clear they wanted to move a player and not been successful because of the player blocking it? Usually, it causes a clubhouse nightmare and despite the fact that it might take longer than either side would like, the player usually gets moved. You basically tell him his playing time is getting cut if he sticks around and they don’t have much of a choice.

    —————————

    They would never do it and if they did he’d never go for it. Look how much hang wringing it took to move him from the 3 spot.

  381. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    “The Yankees said they thought Montero could be an everyday catcher”

    They didnt truly believe this or they wouldnt have traded him….

  382. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    I think they should keep Tex and sign someone to replace his place in the middle of the order…..as I said if hes hitting 30 homers from the 7 hole then suddenly its a plus not a minus……but that either requires spending some money or finding a really good trade.

  383. 86w183 May 14th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    No team openly tries t trade a guy with a no trade. Sometimes they will make a deal and then ask for the waiver or will be approached about a guy and they’ll ask before trade talks get set serious.

    Sometimes it gets out, sometimes it doesn’t.

  384. darbodla May 14th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    You think Teixeira is overpaid? Dale Earnhardt Jr. made $28 million in 2011 and he hasn’t won a race since 2008.

  385. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    “You think Teixeira is overpaid? Dale Earnhardt Jr. made $28 million in 2011 and he hasn’t won a race since 2008.”

    Hes also voted most popular driver every single year and makes his owners and sponsors tons of money……value isnt always about who is best…..

  386. Benny Blanco May 14th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Montero was 2-10. That’s a 200.ba. He had a ok weekend. Let’s not go nuts. And yes he can catch.

  387. blake May 14th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Ive said over and over that the Yanks should sign Hamels this winter…..but if Banuelos continues to progress…..Hughes keeps pitching well…..Pineda looks like hes going to come back etc……then the should sign Hamilton instead if they have to pick one……i think Texas will low ball him…..he may be cheaper overall than Hamels and less years….and i thibk he may help thr team more

  388. Benny Blanco May 14th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Blake, looks like something might have clicked for manny. He’s been attacking hitters and not nibbling.

  389. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    “Montero was 2-10. That’s a 200.ba. He had a ok weekend. Let’s not go nuts. And yes he can catch.”

    benny , benny, benny how many times have i told you that a catcher with a lifetime.833 ops gets into the hall of fame.

    crunch the numbers for the weekend

    .333 on base percentage

    .500 slugging

    that’s an .833 OPS

    it’s amazing to me the spin ability people on this blog have learned to downplay the loss of montero.

    well done benny.

    what did you think of his catching by the way?

  390. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    .he may be cheaper overall than Hamels and less years….and i thibk he may help thr team more

    —————————

    You said earlier they should get creative with the contract if they went after him. What did you mean exactly?

  391. 86w183 May 14th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Any team that pursues Hamilton will want some sort of “relapse clause” in there to protect them from Hamilton spinning out of control.

    Also gotta remember he turns 31 next week. I’m not sure how well he’ll age.

    Bet he remains with the Rangers. I would like to see the Yanks pursue BJ Upton and Melky to replace Swisher and Andruw Jones. Should also look for less expensive options behind the plate with Martin earning $ 7.5 this year.

  392. ac1 May 14th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Hamilton and Hamels combined would probably cost $ 45 M

    Mariano + Swisher + Kuroda + Pettite + Feliciano + Garcia = $ 45 M

    Doable if the payroll stays flat, but very difficult to pull off if $ 189 has to happen

    ___

    Mo is coming back, to take his 15 mil out of this equation.

  393. ac1 May 14th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Should also look for less expensive options behind the plate with Martin earning $ 7.5 this year.
    _____________________________________

    Jose Molina?

  394. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Will it be exactly 15? He could come back for 10.

  395. mick May 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I find myself skimming over this entire blog….skipping and skimming. Spinning and winning.
    Self righteous indignation…. if this is talking baseball , you might as well just go watch a soap opera.

  396. ac1 May 14th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    I’d also assume there is a chance Pettitte is back in 2013 too…
    Add his salary which will be way more than 2.5 M.

  397. mick May 14th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    benny , benny, benny how many times have i told you that a catcher with a lifetime.833 ops gets into the hall of fame.
    ===================
    There’s that HOF talk again.
    Did you say you wanted this blog dedicated to you ?

  398. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Cat’s out of the bag for all, with eyes, to see: Montero can catch, Montero can hit, Montero should be in pinstripes, and Cashman and Girardi are the real Curly and Mo.

    Jesus scorched the ball right to Jeter, and drilled a LD that Cano made a diving stop on. Who cares that he was 2 for 10.

    Tex actually hit the ball deep to left yesterday from the left side. Just don’t think he can do it with any consistency because of his mechanical predisposition.

    It was telling, that the Mariners pitched around Cano to concede a run with the bases loaded, in favor of facing Teixeira. Pretty much says it all on how he’s perceived these days.

    Nice to see Jeter tie Yount.

    Andy was Andy, which means the pitching is beyond solid: he may be the best No. 4 pitcher in all of baseball ;).

  399. hardwired7 May 14th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    unusual: every team in the AL East has a positive run differential, while every team in the AL Central has a negative run differential.

  400. austinmac May 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Why are we talking about how Montero did in three games? Good, bad or indifferent means nothing. He can and will hit. How well, only time will tell.

  401. tomingeorgia May 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Posada has a career 848 OPS. A lock for the Hall?

  402. 86w183 May 14th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I do not believe Mo will be back next year. Every athlete says he/she will come back from a late career injury. I’m just not buying it at age 43. He might try to make it back for October, but I’m betting against 2013.

    The Yanks have potentially $ 90 M coming off the books.

    That includes options on Granderson and Cano and several arbitration eligible guys. I just chose the ones I thought were most likely to not be back.

  403. tucker May 14th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    May 14, 2012 at 10:28 am
    “Don’t read the article by Ken Rosenthal where the only reason the Yankees didnt get to draft Mike Trout is because they signed Mark Teixeira ”

    I’m ignoring this lol. I can’t even take the thought…
    X xxxx

    The Yankees would have lost the No. 25 pick in 2009 anyway because they signed CC that year, too.

  404. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    The Yankees would have lost the No. 25 pick in 2009 anyway because they signed CC that year, too.

    But the Angels would not have had it. And they were other team hot on Trout.

  405. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    tomingeorgia May 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    Posada has a career 848 OPS. A lock for the Hall?
    ///

    Missed him over this four-game weekend. Oddly, somebody started a “Jorge” chant on Friday that actually gained some traction. Delighted, I joined in. Guess they miss him too. :(

  406. blake May 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    “You said earlier they should get creative with the contract if they went after him. What did you mean exactly?”

    Shorter term….more AAV….incentives…..and obviosuky as mentioned some language in the contract to protect them from drug relapses…..I think anyone who aigns him will do that

  407. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    “Posada has a career 848 OPS. A lock for the Hall?”

    he’d get my vote if i had one.

    you wouldn’t vote for him?

  408. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I see where you’re coming from.

  409. blake May 14th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    And I watched Banuelos pitch yesterday…..its night and day….hes attacking hitters….getting ahead in counts….no nibbling ….somebody hopefully has finally got him to understand that his stuff is good enough and that you cant pitch behind above AA and certainly not in the big leagues……hopefully he wilk take off now.

  410. Jerkface May 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Posada is a hall of famer. On all the catcher leaderboards he is surrounded front and back by HoFers. He has stats & rings. HoF.

  411. G. Love May 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Forget about trading Tex. The guy has his no trade clause, his house in Greenwich and he’s stubborn. He’s going nowhere unless the fans turn on him like rabid dogs and for that to happen, the Yankees would have to be losing more than they are winning and the fans would be looking for a scapegoat.

    This team is going to win more than they lose so the only boos he hears are like yesterday.

    What I’m ticked about with him is if he can’t breathe and has some brochial infection, go on the DL and let us put a healthy player out there. Let Swisher play 1b and put an OF’er out there who has the chance of getting a hit. Excuses are starting to pile up for Tex and Girardi is in full circle the wagons mode around him hoping his staunch defense of him will be rewarded by the back of the baseball card from 4 years ago.

    Without any major swing adjustments his contract becomes more of albatross than Arod’s because you can’t hide Tex at DH because his bat is so poor and trending downwards fast.

    As for watching Montero this weekend, it’s a disgrace that anyone on the Yankees acted like they didn’t have a position behind the plate for him while Martin hits below .200 and Romine doesn’t play with a back injury that was present before they traded Montero.

    Andy pitched good yesterday. He got squeezed on one of the walks to Montero that came before a HR. He should’ve struck Montero out but the ump wasn’t doing him any favors.

  412. blake May 14th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    “Posada is a hall of famer. On all the catcher leaderboards he is surrounded front and back by HoFers. He has stats & rings. HoF.”

    Yup

  413. UnKnown May 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Marc Carig ? @MarcCarig
    Yesterday’s game was the Yankees’ seventh without hitting a homer. They’ve averaged just one run in those contests. Their record? 0-7

    —-

    I have came to accept it that this team needs taters to win.

  414. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    austinmac May 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    Why are we talking about how Montero did in three games? Good, bad or indifferent means nothing. He can and will hit. How well, only time will tell.
    ///

    I was at all 3 games vs. Mariners. The blog writer posted his numbers:

    ” We’re accustomed to final lines on pitchers, but here’s the final line on Jesus Montero in his return to Yankee Stadium: 2 for 10, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 R, 2 BB, 2 K. He caught two games and the Yankees were 1 for 1 on stolen base attempts.”

    All I can say is, he’s a very dangerous hitter we could have used yesterday on our side. It struck me as ironic that he was in the building in the ALDS for Game 5, and it was just as unlikely he would help us that day as it was yesterday, because he was already gone.

    My sense is, he is about to take off, just off what I saw these past three days. It really hit home these last few days how egregiously wrong Cashman and Girardi were on this.

  415. tomingeorgia May 14th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Randy,
    No doubt he’ll go to the HOF.

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    Yesterday’s game was the Yankees’ seventh without hitting a homer. They’ve averaged just one run in those contests. Their record? 0-7

    —-

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    ————

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  419. Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am

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    Forget about trading Tex. The guy has his no trade clause, his house in Greenwich and he’s stubborn. He’s going nowhere unless the fans turn on him like rabid dogs and for that to happen, the Yankees would have to be losing more than they are winning and the fans would be looking for a scapegoat.

    ——————————–

    I already think he’s been targeted and it really is only going to get worse.

    As blake pointed out, if the guy is hitting in he 7 hole his production is great but for where he is supposed to be in his career and in our batting order, it just doesn’t cut it.

    Maybe I’ve watched too many NBA, NFL, and NHL teams beat guys down to accept trades but does this really never happen in MLB?

    If someone was willing to take the Vernon Wells contract (and give up legitimate players at the same time!!) someone in our FO should be trying to figure out which GMs would be most interested in Tex.

    Yes, we have to eat $10 million.. but in these budget conscious times, that’s better than paying $23 million a year for what we have. That $12-13 million could mean we can keep Swish at 1B without adding to the payroll. Or, maybe you find a cheap 1B option that doesn’t give you much D and use another $7-8 million on an OFer (or vice versa, of course). Either way, even if you still have to pay $10 of Tex’s deal you’re still giving yourself somewhat more flexibility than we have right now. It’s either that or hold our breath until the 2017 season, isn’t it?

  420. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    ”Cat’s out of the bag for all, with eyes, to see: Montero can catch, Montero can hit, Montero should be in pinstripes, and Cashman and Girardi are the real Curly and Mo.”

    J. Alfred Prufrock-

    isn’t it great being an early adopter .

    i remember when people would say around 2001, ” why are you buying a mac ?”

  421. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    stoneburner-

    who did you used to be before you were stoneburner?

  422. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    and NHL teams beat guys down to accept trades but does this really never happen in MLB?

    ——————–

    A-rod comes to mind but he was dying to leave Texas.

  423. blake May 14th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “who did you used to be before you were stoneburner?”

    Did it rhyme with lucky?

  424. Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Players force trades all the time. So do teams.

    Just tell Tex he’ll be splitting time at 1B with Swisher for the duration of the season and before you know it, it will have always been Mark’s dream to play for the Orioles – he just wanted a ring first and now that he has that experience he’s ready to bring it to a young, up and coming franchise ;)

  425. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    ”Cat’s out of the bag for all, with eyes, to see: Montero can catch, Montero can hit, Montero should be in pinstripes, and Cashman and Girardi are the real Curly and Mo.”

    J. Alfred Prufrock-

    isn’t it great being an early adopter .

    i remember when people would say around 2001, ” why are you buying a mac ?”
    ///

    We should be awarded Montero, just for calling it ;)

    Seriously, where are the “P.S. Girardi: Montero Can Catch” stories?? Cashman/Girardi aren’t the only dull wits, it would seem.

    BTW, as perhaps the only person in here who may know kinesthetically what it’s like to catch a power change with a split like finish, how’d Jesus strike you catching Hernandez?

  426. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    That could work Shame.

    Seriously though it would have to get really bad for him to waive it. He would have to hit rock bottom

  427. 86w183 May 14th, 2012 at 11:56 am

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    Does that come close? Probably not.

  428. blake May 14th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    The Yankees should have know that the offense needed a lift……they should have known that they have struggled against RHP recently……they should have known that Texas was hard after Darvish…..they should have realized that Texas is their main competition for championships…..

    Instead they traded their only homegrown option to help the offense……and allowed their main competition to sign a good RHP ……double whammy.

  429. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Montero struck out yesterday against Pettitte before the Smoak HR
    ///

    LMAO. Michael Young struck out against Pettitte in 2010 ALCS, TWICE (two lookings that the ump failed to call correctly). Still, Young wound up on base, and Josh Hamilton hit a HR and we lost what was a very well-pitched game, by Pettitte.

    Maybe the ump yesterday said, “If Mr. Montero doesn’t think it’s a strike, it must not be.” ;).

  430. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    blake May 14th, 2012 at 11:51 am
    “who did you used to be before you were stoneburner?”

    Did it rhyme with lucky?
    ///

    Norman Bates-like split? One ultra rational (though mired in superfluities) the other, wild, like Mama Bates down in the fruit cellar?

    You may have something. :D

  431. UnKnown May 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

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  432. Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    AAO – See, I’m not sure that’s the case. We all saw what they did to Jorgie last year, lets be honest. The guy barely got a chance to establish himself as a platoon player and decided to call it quits when they made it clear they were minimizing his role.

    If they can do it with Jorgie they can do it with Tex. Yes, the years on the deal are different. But I think its worth exploring. Have Swisher start playing first while Tex rides the bench against RHP and see how quickly the tides turn.

    He’ll either fall apart completely from the mental stress or work on his lefty swing and make some fundamental changes to his approach at the plate.

    I like Tex a lot, too, btw. I’m not trying to target him. I only do so because he’s got a giant contract and we can’t move CC’s or Arod’s. And Arod’s struggles aren’t nearly as pronounced at this point. I think he at least has a better chance to adjust as he ages.

  433. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “BTW, as perhaps the only person in here who may know kinesthetically what it’s like to catch a power change with a split like finish, how’d Jesus strike you catching Hernandez”

    that’s a unique pitch i never had the opportunity to catch, but i though montero did really well in general. i’ve maintained for a long time that he has quick hands. i once caught a knuckleball pitcher named danny boone who was with the orioles. i was danny’s personal catcher one spring training with the frank robinson orioles because the mlb guys hated catching him in practice. with a pitch that is really moving you have to have quick relaxed hands to catch it. it took me a while to be quick and relaxed at the same time. i see that happening with montero . he’s always had the quick hands but he wasn’t relaxed and it made him look awkward and clumsy. as he’s relaxing and letting his natural quickness with his glove take over he’s receiving the ball really well.

  434. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Shame, I think Tex is bedeviled by his own struggles. It must have hurt to see the Mariners shrug off putting Cano on with the bases juiced, so they could face him. That must have killed him. He had the one good AB to left (an out, unfortunately), but I don’t see that as a regular option. I hope I am wrong about that, and he finds a way to make use of the other half of the field, but I would guess that just being determined to hit over the shift is a more practical, short-term approach, given things are what they are.

  435. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    “Did it rhyme with lucky?”

    blake -

    yeah, kind of what i was thinking :)

  436. blake May 14th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Teams are going to start pitching around Cano all the time if they continue to hit Tex behind him…..they already are but its going to get worse…..

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  438. blake May 14th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    JAP,

    You catch any of Manny yesterday?

  439. yankeefeminista May 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    They really do have to drop Teix down vs. RHP.

  440. Against All Odds May 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

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    AAO – See, I’m not sure that’s the case. We all saw what they did to Jorgie last year, lets be honest. The guy barely got a chance to establish himself as a platoon player and decided to call it quits when they made it clear they were minimizing his role.

    If they can do it with Jorgie they can do it with Tex. Yes, the years on the deal are different. But I think its worth exploring. Have Swisher start playing first while Tex rides the bench against RHP and see how quickly the tides turn.

    He’ll either fall apart completely from the mental stress or work on his lefty swing and make some fundamental changes to his approach at the plate.

    I like Tex a lot, too, btw. I’m not trying to target him. I only do so because he’s got a giant contract and we can’t move CC’s or Arod’s. And Arod’s struggles aren’t nearly as pronounced at this point. I think he at least has a better chance to adjust as he ages.

    ——————–

    I understand what you’re saying. Difference between Jorge and Tex is the age as well. Jorge was what 39 or 40 while Tex is 31 or 32 yrs old. They are not going to treat him badly until he either causes some waves or falls off completely.

  441. randy l. May 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “Maybe the ump yesterday said, “If Mr. Montero doesn’t think it’s a strike, it must not be.”

    the umpire was probably thinking he seems like such a nice young man.

    hopefully jesus has begun the fine art of smoozing with umpires.

    it really does help.

  442. yankeefeminista May 14th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Blake, I was at the game, so am behind on my milb watching. But sounds like he is excelling. How has the CB looked and is he throwing the new cutter? He pitched opposite Archer; that must have been quite a duel. I plan to watch that and the Dellin last outing which Pruf raved about in which he supposedly threw like 25% changeups tomorrow.

  443. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    hat’s a unique pitch i never had the opportunity to catch, but i though montero did really well in general. i’ve maintained for a long time that he has quick hands. i once caught a knuckleball pitcher named danny boone who was with the orioles. i was danny’s personal catcher one spring training with the frank robinson orioles because the mlb guys hated catching him in practice. with a pitch that is really moving you have to have quick relaxed hands to catch it. it took me a while to be quick and relaxed at the same time. i see that happening with montero . he’s always had the quick hands but he wasn’t relaxed and it made him look awkward and clumsy. as he’s relaxing and letting his natural quickness with his glove take over he’s receiving the ball really well.
    ///

    Thanks for your perspective. I suppose it makes sense that soft hands with a bat could translate behind the plate; they seem to translate all other “glove” positions. You think of guys with flexible, strong wrists/soft hands (Mattingly/Cano/Jeter come to mind) and the surehandedness of those guys.

    The question then is, why is Wedge able to guide him, and why did Girardi throw his hands up on him?

  444. Shame Spencer May 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

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  445. blake May 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “How has the CB looked and is he throwing the new cutter?”

    CB is nasty…..an absolute hammer now that hes really back footing to righties a lot. I think he threw some cutters…..back door to righties…..but honestly with the angle on the broadcast and with no radar readings its tough to tell….he gets good downward plane on his fastnall for a little dude so its tough to tell ….most importantly though is hes attacking and not nibbling and walking guys.

  446. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

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    JAP,

    You catch any of Manny yesterday?
    ///

    No, man, I pulled an all-dayer, all-nighter in the city! Gorgeous weather, so we took advantage.

    I did see his great line, and I watched his start before this one on archive, where his command was great in and out and up and down, and didn’t even need his breaking ball. Did he have his curve in this one? I’m going to watch it later tonight or tomorrow.

  447. J. Alfred Prufrock May 14th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Ah, I see you just posted about his curve. Thanks. He didn’t have that going in the one I saw, but had his good fastball/change. When he gets on top of his pitches, he gets that depth and downward action that makes him very tough.

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