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Yankee regulars back Pettitte

Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Lineup on May 13, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi will send all of his regulars out in support of Andy Pettitte, who makes his first start since the 2010 ALDS vs. Texas.

Jeter SS
Granderson CF
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Teixeira 1B
Swisher RF
Ibanez LF
Chavez DH
Martin C

 
 

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92 Responses to “Yankee regulars back Pettitte”

  1. RC May 13th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    ALCS! Not ALDS.

  2. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    I never cared much for Pettitte’s annual “will I pitch or won’t I drama” and his recent “I’m retiring” to be followed a year later by “I want to play.” I hope Pettitte has enough in the tank to not embarrass himself, today and the rest of this season. That would be an ignominious end to a great Yankee career.

  3. luis May 13th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Good morning,

    I would tend to trust in Pettitte’s judgement…If he thinks he can still pitch at this level, i would say he can…Go Pettitte!, Go Yankees!

    Happy mothers day and to all those soon to be!!

  4. mick May 13th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    happy mothers day luis. ;)

  5. GreenBeret7 May 13th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Here’s a message from beyond: To quote Phil Rizzuto: “Happy Mothers Day to all you mothers out there.” Actual quote during a Yankee broadcast back in the day.

  6. GreenBeret7 May 13th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    David Adams is playing at Trenton today (finally) and DHing.

  7. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Fact: The Yankees have encouraging signs that they can develop young pitching w/ Nova, Robertson, Hughes, and Phelps making contributions to the major league club and pitching well of late. Add to Manny Banuelos’s recovery from back spasms – the young pitching development shows signs of promise.

    Fiction: Joe Girardi had some personal insecurity about allowing Montero be a catcher with the Yankees because he was jealous that Montero could potentially hit at the major league level.

    Fact: The Yankees ended up winning the Javier Vazquez trade versus the Braves. While Javier did not prove to be anything great as a player, his FA compensation led to Dante Jr. – who is starting to turn it on at Charleston. Further, Boone Logan has been a solid contributor. For the Braves – Melky flamed out for Atlanta and they cut him loose. Arodys Vizcaino is not on the major league roster yet and has had continued injury worries.

  8. 86w183 May 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Stoneburner —-

    Careful…. it can be dangerous pointing out anything Brian Cashman has done that worked out in a positive way for the Yankees.

  9. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    ah i see we have some cashman supporters sticking their head out of their turtle shells because the yankees have won a few games.

    don’t be so timid when the yankees are losing.

    your posts would carry more weight than juts being a fair weather fan.

    that’s to you fathers and not mothers by the way

    happy mother’s day to all of you

    the fact is brian cashman has always been a good scrambler.

    my criticism of him is he’s a control freak who lets few other creative opinions exist in the organization. this creates a bunch of yes men who “are on the same page”, his page.

    cashman is the kind of manager who does things trial and error. for example he hires marty miller and totally mucks up the team with hamstring injuries. then he has to fire the guy. but then because there was such a commotion a dana cavaea emerges out of the chaos. and cavalea is good.

    eventually cashman gets these things right, but he doesn’t do them on the first try.

    he won’t rush betances and manny b because he learned from hughes and joba.

    he didn’t treat posada and jeter and mariano like crap after he learned from treating bernie like crap.

    cashman catches on eventually.

    nunez was a dumb idea at third, but brian won’t try it again. trust me no more guys will learn third base at the mlb level under brian. he’s a whiz at these things.

    as for teaching a change up at the mlb level he’ll still try that because his guy never got through brian’s spring training non plan for him.

    pineda was on the wang plan, you know, the one where there’e sign of injury but they just let the guy pitch with everyone else until something blows out and they can know what was wrong.

    that’s one we may see again.

    anyway, happy mother’s day to brian’s mom.

    someone had to love him.

  10. DONNYBROOK May 13th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Yankee hitters should have it their way vs Milwood.
    Tampa shot-the-wad with their SP in the Yankee Series. They have been paying the price for that vs Balt. Yanks will have a lotta momentum heading into the Balt. series, and will make a statment by winning both series vs Divison leaders within a week. Toronto remains the last hill to climb.

  11. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    i don’t have a clue what pettitte will do today but i know he’ll grind on every pitch.

    it may take a few starts to get back into things.

    it doesn’t hurt that he’s pitching against the mariners for an opening start.

    a win today would be very nice to complete the sweep.

  12. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    “Careful…. it can be dangerous pointing out anything Brian Cashman has done that worked out in a positive way for the Yankees.”

    why the melodrama and sarcastic overreaction to criticism of cashman? it’s an american right to be distrustful of leaders.

    we who don’t trust cashman are just exercising our right to question leaders.

    you don’t have anything against that do you?

  13. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “For years, I didn’t have to think,’’ said Lowe. “Tek did the thinking for me. But since I’ve been gone, I’ve done a lot of preparing before games. I do my homework. I know what I want to do out there.

    “I’ve been with a lot of good catchers since, like Russell Martin and Brian McCann and Carlos Santana. I didn’t know them as well as I knew Tek, but at this stage of my career, I know what I’m doing out there. If things go wrong, it’s me.’’

    ——

    Additional confirmation that Russell Martin is a good catcher – Derek Lowe – a professional baseball player of multiple seasons – affirms that Martin is more than backup catcher as some have alleged here.

  14. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    we who don’t trust cashman are just exercising our right to question leaders.

    ******

    Where is this constitutional protected right you speak of?

  15. luis May 13th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Hi Randy,

    Yup very good post on Cashman and the organization. Even though i frankly think that the FO needs some new blood, i don’t think Cashman is the man to lead the organization going forward. Especially if they are serious about going down to 189 MIl in payroll by 2014. He no longer has the financial flexibility to cover his blunders.

    About Pettitte, he has been there before. I do think we can expect some rust today. But as you say, there isn’t a better team in the MLB to make your first start than the M’s. If he gives us 6 innings of 3 runs allowed, i would call it a success.

  16. Giuseppe Franco May 13th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    86w183 May 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Stoneburner —-

    Careful…. it can be dangerous pointing out anything Brian Cashman has done that worked out in a positive way for the Yankees.

    ————

    There are many of us who defended Cashman against his critics for years in this place – myself, Rich, Jerk, Blake, CB, luis, YF, etc., etc….

    But there comes a time when you have to re-evaluate such staunch support for him after a number of bad decisions have really hurt the ball club going forward – both in the short and long term.

  17. luis May 13th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    It’s called Free speech Stonedburner

  18. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    both in the short and long term.

    ******

    The long term – there is no way to know how things will play out years down the road – that is based on speculation and assumptions.

    But – how in the short??????

  19. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    uis May 13th, 2012 at 11:47 am
    It’s called Free speech Stonedburner

    *******

    Free speech only applies to protection of speech against the government. Free speech against private corporations like the Yankees – there is no such amendment.

  20. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    And Luis – thanks for taking the bait. . . . .

  21. luis May 13th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Giuseppe Franco May 13th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    86w183 May 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Stoneburner —-

    Careful…. it can be dangerous pointing out anything Brian Cashman has done that worked out in a positive way for the Yankees.

    ————

    There are many of us who defended Cashman against his critics for years in this place – myself, Rich, Jerk, Blake, CB, luis, YF, etc., etc….

    But there comes a time when you have to re-evaluate such staunch support for him after a number of bad decisions have really hurt the ball club going forward – both in the short and long term.

    ========================

    +1

  22. luis May 13th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Stone,

    In this blog i can say anything i want. And I will keep on doing it in a respectful way. I hope you can keep it the same way.

  23. Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Luis, so those who don’t want to string up Cashman can’t post without getting lectured ? I’m not a huge fan of him myself anymore, but the idea that one has to defend oneself from a swarm of Cashman haters because they may not agree is ridiculous. Why not just create a board only for everyone who agrees?

  24. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    luis May 13th, 2012 at 11:51 am
    Stone,

    In this blog i can say anything i want. And I will keep on doing it in a respectful way. I hope you can keep it the same way.

    ********

    Technically – Lohud – another private corporation could hypothetically delete your posts – if you try to sue them and claim a first amendment right to speech – good luck with that – now if this were a government run website – well – - – - -

  25. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Why not just create a board only for everyone who agrees

    —————–

    There would be no fun. ;) . It would be like the Yankee front office everyone agreeing.

  26. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Stoneburner go back to school. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws.

  27. Giuseppe Franco May 13th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    There’s a big difference between “Cashman haters” who simply come here to call him a moron or demand his firing and those who criticize his [predictably] bad decisions.

  28. YES May 13th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Montero wasn’t a short, squatty, no offense catcher like Girardi. Russell Martin is more of Girardi’s cup of tea. Short, offensively limited, & batting under .200, a match made in heaven.

  29. Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Odds, there are some people here who don’t tolerate disagreement very well and they probably would like a board where only people who agree all the time congregate. Of course, they would then be unable to use their lecturing ability, which might make them unhappy.

  30. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    She’ll have the Crow Pie please . . .

  31. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Remember – when you criticize Cashman – you are also criticizing Newman, Eppler, Michael, Livesey, to a degree Opennheimer (who would fall under the lack of developing young pitching), the same scouts who found your precious Montero, essentially – major components who helped restore the Yankees to what they have become since ohhhhh – Jeter was drafted in 1992 and Roberto Kelly was sent to Cincy for Roberto Kelly. . . . .good luck guys on that one – and also – as other fan bases have found out – be careful what you wish for AND the grass is not always greener on the other side

  32. Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Stone, Cashman should be criticized for a lot of what he’s done, but what’s objectionable is the idea that if you don’t want to string him up for everything he’s done, you need to arm yourself with a shield and an asbestos suit.

  33. luis May 13th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Luis, so those who don’t want to string up Cashman can’t post without getting lectured ? I’m not a huge fan of him myself anymore, but the idea that one has to defend oneself from a swarm of Cashman haters because they may not agree is ridiculous. Why not just create a board only for everyone who agrees?

    ===========================

    Hi Betsy,

    I am surprised by your post. Because i have defended your right to your opinion consistently. I believe in intelligent and respectful debate, so if you post an opinion here, it’s bound to be challenged by those who don’t agree with it. As long as it is in a respectful way, i don’t think you should mind.

  34. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “Yup very good post on Cashman and the organization”

    luis-

    i was just warming up for a day of doing battle on the blog with the opposition.

    kind of like warm up exercises the players do :)

    it’s funny how that all yankee fans want a win each game , but we go at each other with vengeance on how that happens.

    it used to be just red sox fans who were the problem. now it’s also the other side of whatever position you’re on within yankee fandom.

    it’s like a civil war on some levels, yankee fan against yankee fan.

  35. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 11:53 am
    Stoneburner go back to school. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws.

    *******

    You go to school – the Bill of Rights – which the first amendment is included – is there only for protections of the government restricting the public from free speech. A private corporation such as lohud could restrict your speech. . . .

  36. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Crow pie ? why would she have that

  37. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    be careful what you wish for AND the grass is not always greener on the other side

    ============================

    Tell this to cashman who is so enamored with everything the others have.

  38. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Betsy, yes they would like it for a while but then like most things get bored with it.

  39. Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Odds, don’t ask. Apparently I’m the only one who ever criticized Phil’s pitching, lol. Even when I wasn’t posting, plenty of people were doing that – but it still comes down to only me. Who cares what that guy thinks?

  40. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    be careful what you wish for AND the grass is not always greener on the other side

    ============================

    Tell this to cashman who is so enamored with everything the others have.

    ———

    Yes – thank goodness he was enamored with Raul Ibanez this past offseason and did not release him in ST b/c he was supposed to be second coming of Randy Wynn (odd though that those two are former Mariners as well)

  41. Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Odds, I doubt it – but if they got bored, that would be their own problem.

  42. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “it’s like a civil war on some levels, yankee fan against yankee fan”

    Sad but true. What i don’t get is why the lack of civility, the amount of snark comments is off the roof. There has always been debate in this place, just not so many personal attacks like nowadays.

  43. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    . . . . .good luck guys on that one – and also – as other fan bases have found out – be careful what you wish for AND the grass is not always greener on the other side

    —+————

    So they should just stay status quo?

  44. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Betsy,

    I like you very much. You have your opinions and you stick to them. I respect that.

  45. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Odds, don’t ask. Apparently I’m the only one who ever criticized Phil’s pitching, lol. Even when I wasn’tposting, plenty of people were doing that – but it still comes down to only me. Who cares what that guy thinks

    ————–

    You had every right to criticize him because he wasn’t doing well. Yesterday was his best game of the season and hopefully he continues to build on it. But ppl need to calm down with the I told you so’s.

  46. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    You had every right to criticize him because he wasn’t doing well. Yesterday was his best game of the season and hopefully he continues to build on it. But ppl need to calm down with the I told you so’s.

    =========================

    QFT

  47. EA May 13th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “But there comes a time when you have to re-evaluate such staunch support for him after a number of bad decisions have really hurt the ball club going forward – both in the short and long term.”

    Bingo.

    The Montero trade was the last straw for most people. And signing minor pieces like Ibanez, Wade, Ayala, etc. won’t make up for losing a top young bat.

  48. Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Luis, I like you very much as well. We don’t always agree, but that’s ok. I just get frustrated when other people tell me or anyone else how to post – or when it’s implied that our opinions are wrong just because we might be in the minority. I believe that people are entitled to feel any way they want to and don’t need to validate them to anyone else.

    Anyway, enough for the fighting. Hope you are doing well!

  49. EA May 13th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    “You had every right to criticize him because he wasn’t doing well. Yesterday was his best game of the season and hopefully he continues to build on it. But ppl need to calm down with the I told you so’s.

    Absolutely. He gets lit up in Toronto, a team he has historically struggled against, and we’re back to square one. A little overboard after a good start against the Mariners…

  50. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Randy,

    JAP, made a post yesterday that pretty much sums it up very well. I would try to do what he suggested.

  51. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    “it’s like a civil war on some levels, yankee fan against yankee fan”

    *******

    It has to happen every so often to clear out things. Back in 2000 and 2001 – it was about clearing out the 96ers and band wagon fans. Now – it is about these fanboys who have taken prospect watching to a drastic new level. They treat one prospect as the savior – the one who will ensure franchise stability – and now that he is gone – the franchise is doomed. I find this just absolutely short sighted and turns me off as someone who has followed the minor leagues before there was even the internet and you had to rely on BA and Sports Weekly to get the stats from Albany – from Columbus – from Greensboro. The Yankees will go on – they did after Gil Patterson – they did after Brien Taylor – I am just not gloom and doom b/c Montero will not bat 4th behind Cano as some fantasize about – I have been through too many of those in the past and know that the future moves you cannot anticipate and know how it will all work out. It is this certainty that is the most off- putting – I mean – my goodness – people were even criticizing the Granderson trade a few weeks ago – - – -

  52. Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Odds, the “I told you so’s” are a sign of immaturity, so while they need to stop, I doubt they will.

  53. Betsy May 13th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    EA, I don’t see anyone overboard, do you? People are allowed to be happy with the progress Phil has shown. He’s not always going to pitch a good game, who does? If he gets bombed by the Jays like he always does, then what you want to see is him bounce back next outing. If he does, then his Jay start doesn’t matter.

  54. Yank1 May 13th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “Arodys Vizcaino is not on the major league roster yet and has had continued injury worries.”

    He pitches in relief for the Braves last year, at age 21. He is one of their top prospects, which is saying a lot considering how many good ones they had.

    And arms like Logan are a dime a dozen and Dante Jr is years away from even being on the ML radar.

    Also, citing guys like Hughes, Nova, Phelps, and Banuelos coming off the DL as “success” stories proves the point about lack of development. That is embarrassing, actually.

  55. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Betsy,

    LOL…I believe in different opinions, i just don’t like the way some frame their comments. As you very well say, we don’t always agree, but we manage to keep it civil. Why can’t we argue like that all the time?

  56. rl1856 May 13th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Pettitte this year: 5-6 ip mid to upper 4 ERA. Whip and K-BB both worse than career norms he will have good run support so he will get to 10+W. He will be a servicable back end starter. I hope I am proven wrong. Today will be abt adrenalin and good vibes. He’ll get a W today.

  57. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Andy Pettitte’s impact of the team can’t be measured in stats alone. His work ethic and baseball IQ will help raise the level of pitching for other guys on the staff – Nova, Hughes, Phelps, everyone. Now that Ibanez is outhitting Montero by a longshot across all statistical categories, it’s hard to imagine where Montero would fit in at least this year.

    Stoneburner,

    I used to like Martin and I still love his defense but he’s got to go. Why pay him big dollars for defense alone when you can get that with some combination of Romine, Cervelli and Stewart? They can save money at catcher and I hope they don’t resign him unless it’s for a 1-year deal to reestablish value. He rejected 3 years, 21 million. He obviously thinks highly of himself.

  58. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    And signing minor pieces like Ibanez, Wade, Ayala, etc. won’t make up for losing a top young bat.

    ————

    I’ll say no one can minimize the minor moves buy whether it’s this board or another one ppl always bring up the minor moves. I guess they have to be brought up to balance things out.

  59. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    The Melky trade was the last straw for most people. And signing minor pieces like Ibanez, Wade, Ayala, etc. won’t make up for losing a top young bat.

  60. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    ———

    I’ll say no one can minimize the minor moves buy whether it’s this board or another one ppl always bring up the minor moves. I guess they have to be brought up to balance things out.

    ==================

    This is called a Pirric victory :(

  61. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    . . . . .good luck guys on that one – and also – as other fan bases have found out – be careful what you wish for AND the grass is not always greener on the other side

    —+————

    So they should just stay status quo?

    *******

    We are in the playoffs practically every year – and the playoffs are crapshoot – the frickin Cardinals got hot at the right time – and beat a better team in Texas last year – just like the Tigers beat us – even though the Yanks were better – vice versa – Yankees in 2000 and 2001 beat the A’s – who were a heck of a lot better with their pitchers and young hitters – anything can happen in the playoffs – and if you do not know that – and you are frustration is due to that – after you just won a championship in 2009 – then you are spoiled an

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 13th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Quib – which number has been worn the most often on the Yankees, and who has that number currently? (I just learned the answer myself)

    :)

  63. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Absolutely. He gets lit up in Toronto, a team he has historically struggled against, and we’re back to square one. A little overboard after a good start against the Mariners

    ——————

    I’m not even going to discredit it because it was the Ms. But after the game you had ppl asking where was Betsy and is Hughes still going to the pen? If he pitches like he did yesterday he will probably start game 2 in October. But we’re still in May anything can happen.

  64. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    See ya at game time…I have to wax my poetics before the game. ;)

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 13th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    OOPS – QUIZ, NOT QUIB!

  66. darbodla May 13th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Offseason 2012 – Brian Cashman’s Excellent Job

    1. Resigned Sabathia (A+)
    2. Resigned Garcia For No-Risk Pitching Depth (B)
    3. Letting Posada Go (A)
    4. Not Overpaying For Darvish (A)
    5. Getting Rid Of AJ Burnett (A)
    6. Sticking With Phil Hughes (B+)
    7. Re-signing Andy Pettitte (B+)
    8. Not Dealing Banuelos, Betances and Phelps (A+)
    9. Monero – Pineda Deal (Needs Long Term Evaluation – No Rating)
    10. Signed Ibanez (A)
    11. Brought Back Jones (B+)
    12. Brought back Chavez (B+)
    13. Demoted Cervelli and Signed Stewart (B)
    14. Signing of Kuroda (A-)

  67. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    “What i don’t get is why the lack of civility, the amount of snark comments is off the roof. There has always been debate in this place, just not so many personal attacks like nowadays.”

    luis-

    i think blogs are a new public space where the rules of civility haven’t quite ben worked out yet.

    there’s no such things as a private conversation. but people converse as if they are in a one on one like you and i are doing right now. if we were in a restaurant having lunch no one is liekley going to jump in even if they overhear the conversation.

    no such luck on blogs. that’s why the other night i told pat m i’d send him an email. basically the boundaries aren’t clear on a blog, so it’s kind of a free for all.

    theres are other factors too. i can tell a lot of the people i also butt heads with are of a certain political persuasion. let me put it this way. i don’t watch fox news unless i want to see what stupid looks like.

  68. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 13th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Quib – which number has been worn the most often on the Yankees, and who has that number currently? (I just learned the answer myself)

    :)

    ===========================

    Wow! you got me there! 10?

  69. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Yank1 May 13th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    “Arodys Vizcaino is not on the major league roster yet and has had continued injury worries.”

    He pitches in relief for the Braves last year, at age 21. He is one of their top prospects, which is saying a lot considering how many good ones they had.

    And arms like Logan are a dime a dozen and Dante Jr is years away from even being on the ML radar.

    Also, citing guys like Hughes, Nova, Phelps, and Banuelos coming off the DL as “success” stories proves the point about lack of development. That is embarrassing, actually.

    ——

    Cannot discount Bichette b/c he is Charleston – he is a top 10 prospect in the system.

    Vizcaino is on the DL having Tommy John surgery – so the verdict is still out on that one.

    So that really leaves Logan and Bichette – and what Logan has done the past year and a half – if he is a dime a dozen – I would like to see how many GMs would drool at acquiring him for their bullpen on his salary – a lefty who hits 95 mph – yeahhhhhhhhh

  70. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Also, citing guys like Hughes, Nova, Phelps, and Banuelos coming off the DL as “success” stories proves the point about lack of development. That is embarrassing, actually.

    *****

    First -citing that Banuelos appears to be back to business as usual after coming off the DL is a success

    And how many young pitchers must the Yankees develop before it is a success? 10? 20? 30? Give us a number so that we can come back and embarrass this point to you some more – - – - -

  71. Abomb82 May 13th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    I’m not even going to discredit it because it was the Ms. But after the game you had ppl asking where was Betsy and is Hughes still going to the pen? If he pitches like he did yesterday he will probably start game 2 in October. But we’re still in May anything can happen.

    ————-

    Same thing with Ibanez. He could hit .180 the rest of the year. Martin looked like an MVP the first few weeks of the season last year and then proceeded to be one of the worst hitters in baseball statistically after that. 1st half vs. 2nd half Jeter were like night and day last year. Soriano looked like a bum early on then actually had a good year.

    “I told you so” in May is just a ridiculous proposition. Except in the case of Montero because of the circumstances.

  72. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    – just like the Tigers beat us – even though the Yanks were better – vice versa – Yankees in 2000 and 2001 beat the A’s – who were a heck of a lot better with their pitchers and young hitters

    —————–

    The Yankees weren’t better than the Tigers and the A’s were not better than the dynasty Yankees c’mon.

  73. Ghost of Steinbrenner May 13th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    I do hope and pray Andy pitches good today! One note, why was there no fan acknowledgement by Phil Hughes yesterday as he got an ovation coming off the field. No tip of the cap or anything.

  74. luis May 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Randy,

    I did understood the reasons you decided to make it private with Pat M. Your post makes a very compelling case as to why. Even though i would have loved to over hear your conversation with him! ;) It miust have beenn a very interesting baseball read!

  75. Bret The Hitman May 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    So that really leaves Logan and Bichette – and what Logan has done the past year and a half – if he is a dime a dozen – I would like to see how many GMs would drool at acquiring him for their bullpen on his salary – a lefty who hits 95 mph – yeahhhhhhhhh

    **********

    Logan + Bichette PLUS the Yankees could bring back Melky for RF. Reports are that he is looking at RF longingly.

    “I told you so” in May is just a ridiculous proposition. Except in the case of Melky because of the circumstances.

    He’s got more hits than Matt Kemp and ranks top 5 in hits in all of MLB.

  76. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    And how many young pitchers must the Yankeesdevelop before it is a success? 10? 20? 30? Give us a number so that we can come back and embarrass this point to you some more – – – -

    ———–

    Develop one that actually sticks for more than a yr and half. You can’t bows because guys have a couple of wins. I still see fans claim Kennedy as a guy we developed lol

  77. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    – just like the Tigers beat us – even though the Yanks were better – vice versa – Yankees in 2000 and 2001 beat the A’s – who were a heck of a lot better with their pitchers and young hitters

    —————–

    The Yankees weren’t better than the Tigers and the A’s were not better than the dynasty Yankees c’mon.

    ******

    Do you know how lucky the 2000 Yankees were – a sub 90 win team going to the playoffs – taking on a Hudson in the prime Giambi led A’s team – to win that series in 2000 and 2001 – go back a look at your history – that 2000 Yankees got hot at the RIGHT time – and if not for CASHMAN trading for frickin David Justice – they probably do not make the playoffs – probably still do b/c the AL East was awful that year.

    And yes – the Yanks were better than the Tigers last year – you play them 162 times – Yankees win a majority of those games. . . . .

  78. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Same thing with Ibanez. He could hit .180 the rest of the year. Martin looked like an MVP the first few weeks of the season last year and then proceeded to be one of the worst hitters in baseball statistically after that. 1st half vs. 2nd half Jeter were like night and day last year. Soriano looked like a bum early on then actually had a good year

    —————-
    Exactly ppl wanted to lock up Martin in April lol. Good thing they didn’t

  79. Stoneburner May 13th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    And how many young pitchers must the Yankeesdevelop before it is a success? 10? 20? 30? Give us a number so that we can come back and embarrass this point to you some more – – – -

    ———–

    Develop one that actually sticks for more than a yr and half. You can’t bows because guys have a couple of wins. I still see fans claim Kennedy as a guy we developed lol

    *******

    So now you claim a year and a half – and then it will be three years – and four years – under the criteria – Yanks could not even claim Kennedy – b/c he did not break out until last year – and we are need even halfway through this year. In any event – Robertson fits that criteria (oh but he is a reliever) – yeah – take a look at how valuable relievers are in this Larussa run baseball world.

    Okay – so I have to wait until August – and if Nova is still pitching – and Hughes is still pitching then – they can move into the developed category (to say nothing that both Nova and Hughes have won in the playoffs) – alright – so August – got it. . . .

  80. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 13th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    luis, no it’s not 10!

    I don’t know how the heck I’d find the answer to it if asked the same question!

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 13th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I don’t care if Andy gets lit up like a Christmas tree today! Well, I care because I want him to do well. But I’m saying that if Andy doesn’t have a phenomenal first day out, I’m not going to worry at all. He knows himself and he knows his abilities, so if he’s feeling like he’s got it, I have to believe it will come even if it isn’t there today.

  82. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    “Even though i would have loved to over hear your conversation with him! It miust have beenn a very interesting baseball read!”

    luis-

    i haven’t had a chance to email pat m yet. maybe today.

    i’m genuinely curious why we have such different takes on the same trade.

    but because it is such a hot button topic on the blog, it’s simply easier to email and talk directly.

    it’s just a logistics thing. when you’re really trying to listen to someone it’s kind of annoying to have ten people butting in.

    pat m does a funny thing though. he’s not really that savvy with computers and when i get an email from him sometimes i get 15 other people’s email on the blog from him. in other words he sends out a group email when he doesn’t mean too. so they’re getting mine too.

    i even got trisha’s email address which is kind of funny when you think about it, though i don’t think we’ll be having any email conversations :)

  83. 86w183 May 13th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Hey Randy —-

    Sorry I stepped out for a while. I mostly have problems with posters who are completely negative (thus highly inaccurate) on any given subject, including but not limited to Cashman.

    I have agreed with some of your criticisms, clashed with you on others. That’s perfectly normal.

    There was some great stuff in your 11:31 post.

  84. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    The 00 Yankees were coming off 3 WS wins in 4 yrs. They struggled down the stretch in SEP. and turned it on at the right time. Let’s not make it seem like they were the little engine that could.

  85. Abomb82 May 13th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Rays develop 5 aces, Giants develop 3 aces, Angels develop Jered Weaver and Ervin Santana, Sox develop Lester, Rangers and Braves develop a million good young pitchers, Phillies develop Hamels and Worley, Oakland churns our good young pitchers every year. Dodgers develop Kershaw and Billingsly. Nationals develop two young monsters. Seattle develops King Felix. Just off the top of my head.

    Meanwhile, we crow about developing Hughes and Nova. Yankees haven’t even developed someone as consistent a pitcher as Galvin Floyd, let alone an actual frontline starter. No one is saying Hughes/Nova won’t be that, but to proclaim them as already good reliable starters is crazy. That’s like the people who said Pineda was an ace off half a good season when the own GM said he had a lot of development ahead of him before he becomes a frontline starter.

    Actually, people forget about Wang, who actually should qualify as developed despite his unfortunate injury. 54 wins in less than 3 full seasons, back-to-back 200 inning seasons, ERA under 4 in over 500+ innings as a starter. That was a very good pitcher we developed.

  86. 86w183 May 13th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Good point about blogs and one-on-one conversation.

    I’ve been on other non-Yankee blogs where it’s easy to respond directly to a poster without sharing with everyone. That would be a positive addition to this blog.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 13th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    luis, I would have preferred to read what Pat M had to say in response to randy. randy’s good at beating up opponents he feels he can beat up. Pat M would be a formidible opponent. In addition, this is a position that randy is so married to that there is no dissueding him from it. Well to hear the arguments from someone equally schooled in baseball (something randy respects) would be extremely compelling.

    randy shows Pat M. a lot of respect. It’s too bad he can’t apply that same respect to posters he likes to dump on.

    I admit that I take the bait at times and go back at him, but his distorting of the truth causes me to feel the need to do it.

    If he had the ability to ask a question with civility rather than try to make someone look like an idiot in the process, he’d get the same civility in return.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 13th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    randy, what makes you think that Cashman made the decision to use Nunez at third?

  89. Against All Odds May 13th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    So now you claim a year and a half – and then it will be three years

    ———

    Just calling it like I see it. Cashman can’t sit here and say we have developed.pitching when that’s not the case. Hughes and Nova basically switched spots from 2010 to 2011.

  90. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    trisha-

    saw your nice compliments last night :)

    so far you have gotten pineda, kuroda, and hughes wrong this year.

    don’t you kind of see that as a weakness for someone who believes in”PITCHING WINS” that you aren’t very good at picking out pitching ? though it may explain why you support cashman so much.

    for the record, what’s your gut feeling about pettitte ?

    i don’t have a clue what he’s going to do, though as i said before, he’s grind out every pitch no matter what happens.

    the one thing we agree on is i’m sure we’re both hoping for a yankee win.

  91. randy l. May 13th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    ” randy’s good at beating up opponents he feels he can beat up. Pat M would be a formidible opponent.”

    i don’t take crap from baseball nitwits like you if that’s what you mean.

    as far as opponents, pat m and i are friends.

    i prefer to talk to him directly without having a chorus on both sides chiming in.

    you have pat m’s email address. once we talk, ask him for a copy of our emails if you’re so interested in our conversation.

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 13th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    randy, I have your posts where you didn’t even know what pitches Pineda threw yet went on and on about it, saying all the wrong things. You were also wrong about Posada catching in the postseason the year Molina and Cervelli were with the Yankees and you’ve gotten other calls wrong.

    NOBODY corners the market truth. I continue to say that.

    “so far you have gotten pineda, kuroda, and hughes wrong this year.”

    If I got Pineda wrong, I wasn’t in the minority. You guessed lucky on his injury. Come on now. What ends up happening with Pineda remains to be seen.

    I gave up on Hughes one week too early. BFD. Prior to that I was Hughes all the way.

    Kuroda remains out to the jury though it’s looking good.

    I don’t call pitching right all the time. So what? It hasn’t NOTHING to do with my understanding of the value of the starting rotation! I had AJ’s back until he left the game. Same with everyone else in the rotation. That’s who I am. Loyal to a fault.

    What you didn’t get, but I posted on extensively, was that when I saw Hughes and Freddy not getting the job done, it brought me back to the beginning of 2008 and how those losses between Hughes and Kennedy ended up keeping the Yanks out of the postseason, and how Girardi kept trotting them out despite that. So it was deja vu all over again for me. That’s why I got nervous about Hughes. So kill me.


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