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Injuries adding up in Yankees clubhouse

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees didn’t only win last night’s game. They survived it.

“Barely,” Joe Girardi said.

How well the Yankees survived is still a little unclear. The team’s closer is going for tests, last night’s starting pitcher has a bad ankle and the game-winning homer came from a player who hasn’t been healthy in a month.  Here’s a quick look at last night’s injury report, along with what each situation might mean in the immediate and distant future.

Mark Teixeira
Inflamed airway
Teixeira has been sick since the Welcome Home dinner early last month. He got on some new medication for it last week, but admitted last night that it hasn’t gotten much better. “I wish I could say yes,” he said. “I’m trying to be really positive, saying it’s not worse. It’s not a lot better.”

Short-term: For now, Teixeira is playing through the coughing fits and the trouble breathing. He says he’s healthy enough to be productive, and last night seems to be proof. Girardi said he might give Teixeira a day off during this road trip to help him get healthy.
Long-term: If this thing lingers much longer, it’s hard not to wonder whether it will have a real impact on Teixeira’s production. If Teixeira has to miss some time at some point, the Yankees could shuffle things around to play Nick Swisher or Eric Chavez at first. Also, their hottest hitter in Triple-A right now is first baseman Steve Pearce, who could theoretically help fill the gap if necessary. But it seems unlikely that it will come to that.

Dave Robertson
Sore left side
On his left side, around the ribcage — could be in the oblique — Robertson has felt soreness for the past four days. He’s expected to go for tests to day to see if there is any real damage or if it’s just a little bit of pain that will go away with time and treatment.

Short-term: If Robertson is going to miss a few more days, the Yankees have Rafael Soriano has a more-than-capable fill-in as closer. Cory Wade and Boone Logan have been awfully good this season and would naturally slide into setup roles. Might even see David Phelps get a look in some of the late innings while Freddy Garcia becomes the regular long man.
Long-term: The possibility of an oblique injury is pretty significant, and if Robertson has to miss significant time, it would be the third blow to the bullpen this year. First Joba Chamberlain’s return was pushed back, then Mariano Rivera was lost for the season. Brian Cashman has said so far that he has no desire to trade for relief help. Wonder if that tune would change if Robertson were going to miss a more than a few days.

Ivan Nova
Sprained ankle
Being hit by a comebacker wasn’t enough. Nova also twisted his right ankle when he fielded a comebacker in the sixth inning. It was his last play of the game, and he hobbled off the field. He was still hobbling in the clubhouse, admitting that he was in significant pain.

Short-term: David Phelps pitched last night, and he would seem to be a natural spot starter if the Yankees needed to skip Nova this next time around. Having Freddy Garcia would be another option. Either way, the fact the Yankees have two true long relievers right now means they’re in a good spot to fill in for a starter on time through the rotation.
Long-term: If this is more than one start, it would see that Phelps would immediately move back into the rotation, Garcia would become the only true long man, and Cody Eppley or D.J. Mitchell would return to flesh out the bullpen for a while. Manny Banuelos has been awfully good his past two starts, but I’m not sure it’s time to put him into the big league rotation conversation just yet. Especially not with Phelps pitching like this.

Raul Ibanez
Bruised right elbow
Hit by a pitch in the ninth inning, Ibanez was pulled from last night’s game and replaced by Dewayne Wise, who was going to come in and run for him regardless of the injury.

Short-term: The Yankees are facing a left-hander tonight, which means Ibanez almost certainly wasn’t going to be in the lineup anyway. If he has to miss a game or two — which he didn’t think was likely — the Yankees have Wise in place as a left-handed hitting outfielder who could start in left field against righties.
Long-term: Pretty much impossible to imagine this being a long-term situation, unless Ibanez is hurt much, much worse than he let on last night. Seems like a game or two. Max. If it’s more than that … hurry back Brett Gardner.

Clay Rapada
Viral infection
The Yankees lefty specialist is sick. No real mystery here.

Short-term: If Rapada’s needs to miss a game or two, the  Yankees can probably get by with a short bullpen and only one left-hander. This seems to be the most likely scenario: A game or two with Rapada unavailable.
Long-term: Hard to imagine this taking a month, but if it takes a week the Yankees might have a decision to make, especially if they need Phelps or Garcia to make a spot start for Nova. If the bullpen gets thin, the Yankees don’t have anyone on the roster who’s easy to send down like Eppley or Mitchell. Might have to sacrifice Wise if they badly need another reliever at some point.

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103 Responses to “Injuries adding up in Yankees clubhouse”

  1. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Up to date Free Agent starting pitchers:

    Starting pitchers
    Scott Baker (31) – $9.25MM club option
    Erik Bedard (34)
    Joe Blanton (32)
    Fausto Carmona (29) – $9MM club option
    Bartolo Colon (40)
    Aaron Cook (34)
    Kevin Correia (32)
    Doug Davis (37)
    Jorge De La Rosa (32) – $11MM player option with a $1MM buyout
    Ryan Dempster (36)
    R.A. Dickey (38) – $5MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Zach Duke (30)
    Scott Feldman (29) – $9.25MM club option with a $600K buyout
    Jeff Francis (31)
    Gavin Floyd (30) – $9.5MM club option
    Freddy Garcia (37)
    Zack Greinke (28)
    Jeremy Guthrie (34)
    Cole Hamels (29)
    Rich Harden (31)
    Dan Haren (32) – $15.5MM club option with a $3.5MM buyout
    Livan Hernandez (38)
    Tim Hudson (37) – $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Edwin Jackson (29)
    Hiroki Kuroda (38)
    Colby Lewis (33)
    Francisco Liriano (29)
    Kyle Lohse (34)
    Rodrigo Lopez (37)
    Derek Lowe (40)
    Paul Maholm (31) – $6.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Shaun Marcum (31)
    Jason Marquis (34)
    Daisuke Matsuzaka (32)
    Brandon McCarthy (29)
    Kevin Millwood (38)
    Brett Myers (32) – $10MM vesting option with a $3MM buyout
    Ramon Ortiz (40)
    Carl Pavano (37)
    Jake Peavy (31) – $22MM club option with a $4MM buyout
    Joel Pineiro (34)
    Anibal Sanchez (29)
    Jonathan Sanchez (30)
    Ervin Santana (30) – $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Joe Saunders (32)
    James Shields (31) – $9MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
    Chien-Ming Wang (33)
    Jake Westbrook (35) – $8.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout if club declines
    Randy Wolf (36) – $10MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
    Chris Young (34)
    Carlos Zambrano (32)

  2. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    The Yanks are probably going to have to make a hard decision on Hughes sometime in the next year……especially if he continues to pitch well and starts to look like hes finally coming around.

    They have evaluate how much they need him….how much itll cost to re-sign him….where that fits in the budget…..and what his trade value would be…..

    These are the decisions they havent had to make in the past…..but will have to make and be good at making if they want to run things differently.

  3. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Trader,

    There are some interesting names on that list……Peavy will likely be bought out even though hes pitching very well…..

  4. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Robertson-

    Sounds more like a latissimus dorsi muscle [lat] on the side of the rib cage and not an oblique which is more abdominal. Injections might ease the discomfort. Hopefully no DL

    Nova-sprained ankle. Depending on severity, will probably miss one start

    Teixeira- Could be Bronchial Asthma-playing everyday around triggers like dust will not help him. Go home get on inhalers and corticosteroids. DL

    Rapada- Stay away from the guys in the bullpen while you are a carrier. Youll be fine!

    Just my 2 cents.
    :)

  5. yanks61 May 15th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Blake, Yt, thanks for your input – appreciate it.

    Man, YT, I had NO idea that there were that many FA pitchers next year. If the NYY can’t grab Hamels, I wonder if they’d be able to find a diamond in the rough amongst the other group. Does Greinke scare you, or is it a matter of just too much money?

    I have to agree, with great regret, that probably both Hamels and Hamilton are not going to be coming to NY.

  6. PacoDooley May 15th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 8:54 am
    Yanks61-

    Find 1 or 2 pitchers from this up to date FA list that you like that might fit under the 2014 LT, figuring Cano and quite possibly Granderson will be signed to extensions:

    Starting pitchers

    Fausto Carmona (29) – $9MM club option
    ———————————-

    Who? Still being listed as Carmona – very odd…

  7. NYYROC May 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    With their low budget and the way they develop SP, not sure TB will pick up Shields $9MM option. He’d look good in pinstripes.

  8. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    “With their low budget and the way they develop SP, not sure TB will pick up Shields $9MM option. He’d look good in pinstripes.”

    Theyll pick up the option…..but i bet either he or Price gets traded within the next year or so….Price is gonna get really expensive in arbitration.

  9. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Haren, Santana, Peavy, Floyd, Shields, might all be bought out.

    Which one would you be able to fit in the payroll for 3 years at no more than 14-15M/year and would be an upgrade?

    or go with McCarthy, Anibal Sanchez?

    Revisit signing Greinke?

  10. Tackelberry May 15th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    I’ve always liked Ervin Santana. If Angels decline his option, he’d be worth pursuing

  11. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    “I have to agree, with great regret, that probably both Hamels and Hamilton are not going to be coming to NY.”

    Dont worry…..Im sure Randy Levin has his eye on the FA relievers list.

  12. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    “Haren (no), Santana,( maybe) Peavy (yes) , Floyd,( traded this summer) Shield (no) might all be bought out.”

    My guesses…..Shields is worth too much in trade value to not pick up a 9 million dollar option…..

  13. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    The Rays will probably pick up Shields option and then shop him this winter…..

  14. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Blake-

    There could potentially be a lot of holes to fill next season. If Rivera does not come back and Boras finds a lucrative 3 year contract for Soriano to close elsewhere, the Yankees could be looking for multiple players from FA.

    Feliciano, Garcia, Ibanez, Jones, Martin, Swisher, Kuroda, Pettitte, Rivera, Soriano all “possibly” gone.

    With good healing Rivera[not gone],Chamberlain, Pineda, Aardsma in.

  15. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I still wanna know how we were planning on fitting in Felix….

    To some that’s a moot point. But it might also be a ray of hope that Hal does have some of his father in him, knowing there are some players breaking the bank for.

    Maybe I’m being naive but I have to hang onto hope where I can lol.

  16. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Shame,

    Maybe they are playing possum….

  17. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Blake-

    Let’s say the Yankees do go all in for Hamilton, who finishes healthy and is the AL MVP, while extending Cano, while exploring and trading Granderson. Where do they cut corners to stay within the 2014 LT threshold of 189M.

  18. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Yeah blake, I’m hoping this is some conspiracy lol.

    I just can’t wrap my head around it. And I understand we aren’t privy (nor should we be) to internal discussions about this stuff but the attempt to literally gut the farm for Felix makes such little sense….

    We would have had a $20 million pitcher (another one!!) and very few cheap options that were close to being big league ready going forward. By trading so many young guys it would almost require you to spend more money to fill holes….. I just can’t figure that out. I couldn’t from when Cash first said so and I still can’t.

    The $189 million BS was definitely in play when they were trying to get Felix.

  19. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    If Hamilton or Hamels, Cano, A-Rod, Teixeira, Sabathia, Jeter comprise the core of the “expensive” players on the team in 2014 you’re probably looking, based on AAV a minimum of 130M toward the LT, of 50% on the amount over $189M.

  20. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    “Let’s say the Yankees do go all in for Hamilton, who finishes healthy and is the ALREADY MVP, while extending Cano, while exploring and trading Granderson. Where do they cut corners to stay within the 2014 LT threshold of 189M.”

    I miss when the Yankees didnt have to cut corners…..

  21. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “I miss when the Yankees didnt have to cut corners…..”

    The worst part is they still don’t…

  22. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Felix Hernandez is signed thru 2014. He’ll be 29 at the start of the 2015 season.

  23. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “The $189 million BS was definitely in play when they were trying to get Felix.”

    Especially when you also consider the cheap talent they would have had to trade as well…..

  24. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Blake and Shame-

    Me too :(

  25. blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    To fit Hamilton/Hamels, Granderson, and Cano in……theyd need most of the rest of the team to be homegrown and cheap. Theyd likely need Sanchez to be ready…..theyd need Mason to be close to ready…..theyd need Banuelos to be holding down a rotation spot etc…..its doable…..but the Yanks would have to be ok with the risk that it may not happen…..

  26. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Felix Hernandez is signed thru 2014. He’ll be 29 at the start of the 2015 season.

    ——————–

    Our 2014 team isn’t anything to get excited about but our 2015 team looks SICK!! :)

  27. Bret The Hitman May 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Trader,

    The FA list of pitches is intriguing. What we do know is that the Yankees have concerns about Greinke being a good fit in NY so strike him off the list. Cole Hamels has makeup issues going back to his comments in 2009 and his more recent altercation with Harper. The Yankees gave CC big money because he’s a dominant lefty but he also had a reputation of being a competitor and a great clubhouse guy. I don’t see them investing in a hot dog like Hamels so strike him off the list.

    The Yankees will most likely go bargain hunting and try to pick up a guy with a lower contract value like McCarthy, E. Santana, Anibel Sanchez or even Bedard if they want to take the plunge.

    It’s looking more like the Yankees need to add one more starter long-term so it will be interesting to see what they do. CC, Pineda, Nova, Banuelos is looking more risky long term than the Yankees envisioned I would imagine.

    Me personally I wish they would just fork up the money for Greinke as the #2. He’s the most consistent of the bunch, a good character guy and has a healthy track record. I think the social anxiety stuff is overblown and does not affect him on the field. I think by this point Greinke can separate baseball as a game vs. the off the field stuff.

  28. Bret The Hitman May 15th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    blake May 15th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    To fit Hamilton/Hamels, Granderson, and Cano in……theyd need most of the rest of the team to be homegrown and cheap. Theyd likely need Sanchez to be ready…..theyd need Mason to be close to ready…..theyd need Banuelos to be holding down a rotation spot etc…..its doable…..but the Yanks would have to be ok with the risk that it may not happen…..’

    ***********

    Much easier to fit Melky, M. Montero, Granderson and Cano.

  29. blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “Much easier to fit Melky, M. Montero, Granderson and Cano.”

    Not really ….Montero +Melky will add up to cost as much as Hamilton or Hamels would…..

  30. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Have to go. Randy asked about what the Yankees are on a scale of 1-10 so far this year on an Excitement Factor scale.

    For me the most exciting time preseason are the addition of new Yankees either thru trades, FA signings, or promotion of potential young impactful players from the minors. Can’t wait for the season to start. In season its the late inning comeback wins and the trading deadline.

    For me, the excitement factor the last two years has been a disappointing 5!

    Until later. Have a great day and Yankees-excite me this year! :)

  31. Bret The Hitman May 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    I’d rather have 2 mid-sized contracts than one big one and distribute the risk though.

  32. blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    If the Yankees want to improve the offense…..hurt the Rangers….put butts in the seats ….and excite the fanbase….then roll the dice and sign Josh Hamilton.

  33. blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    “I’d rather have 2 mid-sized contracts than one big one and distribute the risk though.”

    Eh….Id rather have the star than two mid level players….especially when Sanchez might be better than Montero anyway……Id prefer your plan to what they will probably do though…..which is sign stop gaps.

  34. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    “The Yankees will most likely go bargain hunting and try to pick up a guy with a lower contract value..”

    Yeeeeep. :/

  35. Tackelberry May 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Banuelos has been lights out since coming back from his injury. We’ll see how the full year plays out before they make a judgement on him. Betances also was dominant in his last start, but he needs to start putting together a bunch of consistent performances before they can trust him. Same thing for Adam Warren, who has struggled but had his best start of the season last night. These guys will determine how much the Yanks may have to spend on pitching next year or whether they can put that money toward the offense.

  36. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I think Hamilton will be signed to an inseason extension, that will include clauses for any off field issues.

    Have to really go!

  37. Bret The Hitman May 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I think the Yankees have too much risk tied up in too few players – Arod, Tex and Jeter. If the Yankees add a 25 million/year injury risk on top of that, i’d be surprised. Injuries are just a reality of the game so someone with Hamilton’s track record should scare the Yankees. If you lose him then you don’t just lose his production, you lose a huge chunk of money to spend on other areas of weakness. Just like the stock market, you diversify risk in your portfolio, especially if you have too much risk tied up in too few stocks. It’s the wrong time and place for Hamilton.

  38. Bret The Hitman May 15th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Tackleberry,

    Even if Banuelos, Betances and Phelps perform, I think with Pineda’s injury they will have to take a hard look at the configuration of the rotation long term behind CC. I’m hoping for Greinke. He won’t get ace money. He could get a Lackey or AJ type contract but he’s a much better pitcher than those guys for 16-17 per year.

  39. ron May 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    No chance in h e l l they can sign hamilton,hamels,cano,granderson,with cc,tex,arod all making over 20 million.
    That is over 140 million for 7 players.

    Not possible.

    I would not sign any pitchers til we know about hughes,pineda,campos,betances,banuelos.

    If needed banuelos,and betances get a spot,now,or very soon,if needed.

    Banuelos is looking like he has turned the corner,and could be an ace in the making.
    Betances,i give him a shot at starting,before i doom him to the pen.

    If hughes starts getting better,and his changeup becomes a weapon,i sign him long term.

    cc
    hughes
    banuelos

    is a nice start,with nova,betances,pineda,campos,depaula,ramirez,phelps,warren,mitchell,and more.

    Pitching is not the issue.Getting to a more balanced team is.
    If hughes,banuelos,betances look good,i would trade nova for a position player.Maybe a 3b,rf,lf.

    Start turning the roster over,little by little.

  40. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    “Injuries are just a reality of the game so someone with Hamilton’s track record should scare the Yankees.”

    It really isn’t the substance stuff that scares me with Hamilton as much as it is the injury risk. He’s missed 30-40 games for the past two season if I’m not mistaken. Which isn’t even a lot really but for whatever reason I feel like he’s hit the DL a few times in the last 3 years.

  41. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    randy – You can’t trade Nova!! lol

  42. Against All Odds May 15th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    If the Yankees want to improve the offense…..hurt the Rangers….put butts in the seats ….and excite the fanbase….then roll the dice and sign Josh Hamilton.

    —————————–

    George would have done it :(

  43. blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Man if Im Josh Hamilton there is no way Im signing an extension now…..he gave them a chance this winter and they broke the talks off after his incident…..theyd have to make a big offer before Id even consider it….and I think Texas is going to try to use his drug history against him to try and get a discount.

  44. 86w183 May 15th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Well everyone will have to deal with drug/alcohol ramifications as it relates to Hamilton.

    I think Melky and/or BJ Upton makes more sense. both are 27 and won’t cost nearly as much, making the Yankees younger, cheaper and more athletic.

    I would be excited about a 2013 rotation of CC/Nova/Pineda/Hughes/Banuelos

    Behind them a bullpen of Phelps, Wade, Logan, Rapada, Joba, and D-Rob

    It’s not bad, not costly. Obviously can’t be sure that all the health issues will be solved.

  45. Your Worst Nightmare May 15th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Just wondering if anyone knows what’s up with the picture above of Robertson ?

    Looks like he he throwing left handed in the outfield and now his left side is bothering him, why is he throwing left handed other than goofing around in warmups,and now he is hurt on his non pitching side ?

    WTH ? ? ?

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 15th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    There are problems, and there are problems.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    If the Yankees want to improve the offense…..hurt the Rangers….put butts in the seats ….and excite the fanbase….then roll the dice and sign Josh Hamilton.
    ///

    It would hurt the Rangers and probably stimulate interest to be able to watch a guy who is that good every day, to go along with Cano, but I am pretty sick and tired of getting guys in their thirties to fill out the roster.

    You get stuck with another long-term contract that inevitably blocks a system guy who becomes ready to make the jump. Makes you wonder if any of the Charleston group will ever see the light of day in the Bronx, or will they just be shuffled off into a package of some kind, to grow and become productive in another uniform for another fan base to witness…getting pretty sick and tired of that worn out song.

  48. blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    “I think Melky and/or BJ Upton makes more sense. both are 27 and won’t cost nearly as much, making the Yankees younger, cheaper and more athletic.”

    I think it depends on what those guys actually cost and what Hamilton actually costs…..I wouldnt expect Hamilton to get many more years than either of them because of the drug history and risk. If we are looking at 4 years for Upton or Melky vs 5 for Hamilton then Id rather take the risk on Hamilton because hes a game changer……just depends…..again though I doubt they sign any of the above….

  49. PacoDooley May 15th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    86w183 May 15th, 2012 at 10:37 am
    Well everyone will have to deal with drug/alcohol ramifications as it relates to Hamilton.

    I think Melky and/or BJ Upton makes more sense. both are 27 and won’t cost nearly as much, making the Yankees younger, cheaper and more athletic.

    I would be excited about a 2013 rotation of CC/Nova/Pineda/Hughes/Banuelos

    Behind them a bullpen of Phelps, Wade, Logan, Rapada, Joba, and D-Rob

    —————————–

    I wonder how much Hughes will make – his track record sucks and so you would assume that he wouldn’t get too much of a bump, I personally hope he pitches lights out and therefore gets a decent raise (his track record will still dampen his 2013 salary).

    Funny to see Melky considered. He’s been a lot better than he was for the Yankees and Braves. He was young when traded and obviously the team wishes that they had hung onto him and never made that awful trade.

    It’s not bad, not costly. Obviously can’t be sure that all the health issues will be solved.

  50. pkyankfan69 May 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    86w183 May 15th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    I would be excited about a 2013 rotation of CC/Nova/Pineda/Hughes/Banuelos

    Behind them a bullpen of Phelps, Wade, Logan, Rapada, Joba, and D-Rob
    ———————————————–
    Don’t forget Mo and Aardsma likely in the BP also.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    I would not sign any pitchers til we know about hughes,pineda,campos,betances,banuelos.
    ///

    ron, I agree, in principle, but how is Campos in that group?? The others are in AAA or have already pitched in the majors. Campos is in A-ball, which means we won’t “know about” him as a contributor to the major league club for at least two or three years, and being injured, that development is currently on hold.

  52. blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    “You get stuck with another long-term contract that inevitably blocks a system guy who becomes ready to make the jump.”

    Hamilton wouldnt block anybody if healthy…..I get what youre saying and dont rhibk theyll sign him but if and when Mason or Austin or whoever is ready theyll be a place for them…..itd be a little different IMO if those guys were at AAA knocking on the door.

  53. Bo knows May 15th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Let’s see if I got this right – Fans want Hamel and Hamilton. Sign Cano and Granderson, bring up the kids for excitement (There’ll be no place to play them) and play exciting baseball.

    Fire Cashman and Girardi.

    I think I’ve got all that.

    This is like leafing through a Nieman Marcus wish book catalogue while sitting in a Double Wide.

  54. blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    “Campos is in A-ball, which means we won’t “know about” him as a contributor to the major league club for at least two or three years,”

    Same for the bats there as well……they will likely need offensive help before those guys are ready and they already traded their only potential bridge.

  55. blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    “This is like leafing through a Nieman Marcus wish book catalogue while sitting in a Double Wide.”

    Since when did Yankee Stadium become a double wide?

  56. bruceb May 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    There has to come a point when an injury list is insurmountable. Losing Joba was a blow; losing Mariano was a stake through the heart. If we have to do without Robertson on top of that for any significant amount of time I just don’t see this bullpen being able to cope with the workload. It will put a massive emphasis on the starters going seven innings on a regular basis. We know CC can do that and hopefully Kuroda too. Not so sure about the others.

  57. Bo knows May 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Yep, bring the weak willed Hamilton to the flesh pots of New York. Now there’s a success story right there.

    Ahem – Fantasy meet reality – Uurp

  58. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    The Mick was pretty weak willed…

    Hell, I have a hard time believing most of the players in the league aren’t. Might not be substance abuse issues exactly but everybody’s got a vice.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    There is some room in the OF going forward, although Mason could be two years away, due to his advanced approach. Hamilton is 31 this month, so a 5-year deal would mean we’d have him until age 36. That’s not terrible, but it doesn’t thrill me, either. He’s a singular talent right now, but who knows at what rate his skills might erode, especially if he doesn’t take care of himself… if he comes here, Tex needs to introduce him to wheat grass shots to replace the other kind…. I hated that feeling that we were the Las Vegas circuit for has beens…been there, done that…

    From a personal fan perspective, in terms of “excitement”, all I can say is, this weekend in the Bronx, with the bottom of the order looming, that this would be a great time to head to the bathroom, instead of making my usual dash during God Bless America. :D

  60. blake May 15th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    How is it weak willed to overcome serious drug addiction to become one of the best players in baseball?

  61. Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I’ll admit it, I’m weak willed…I can’t stop dreaming about Kim Jones and Trisha doing synchronized swimming in the Marlin’s new aquarium….

  62. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    “How is it weak willed to overcome serious drug addiction to become one of the best players in baseball?”

    To some people, wrong is right, up is done.

    That’s all I have.

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    blake May 15th, 2012 at 10:51 am
    “Campos is in A-ball, which means we won’t “know about” him as a contributor to the major league club for at least two or three years,”

    Same for the bats there as well……they will likely need offensive help before those guys are ready and they already traded their only potential bridge.
    ///

    That’s true, and I’d rather sign a FA then waste some of those guys, plus young pitching to get the offense they gave away. But still sick of getting position players in their 30s. And I should have said that we’d have Hamilton to at least age 37 – not 36 – since that clock would start next season, when he’s turning 32 in May.

  64. Bo knows May 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    The whole Yankee multi billion empire is driven by the on field team. Any prolonged drop in attendance kicks the glitz and glamor down the gold plated toilet which has to be paid for because it’s in hock up to the ears. Any drop in the team performance sweeps away all the glamor loge participants. The staunch baseball fans have been moved up, out and away. They’re not selling baseball, they’re selling sizzle.

  65. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I’ll admit it, I’m weak willed…I can’t stop dreaming about Kim Jones and Trisha doing synchronized swimming in the Marlin’s new aquarium….”

    ——————-

    I thought Brett had a monopoly on posting creepy sexual innuendos on the blog..

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    I have to say I find some of the comments about needing to feel excited about the team a little confusing. I think someone even said that if things went in a direction he didn’t like he’d just stop watching the Yankees and find something else to do.

    I watch the Yankees because they’re the team I love. I don’t need them to do anything special exist in order for me to be there.

    I don’t get too hyped up during the season, no matter what is going on, because the season for me is the time to enjoy watching them play baseball. I don’t flip out when they lose and I don’t get overly emotional when they win. If they have bad games, it’s all part of a season. I still love watching them play baseball because it’s my Yankees.

    The postseason is the time I enjoy the best because that’s when the real excitement begins. And as we all know, it’s unusual for the Yankees not to be in the postseason. (Another thing that allows me to enjoy the season with all its ups and downs. I always know they’re going to be in the hunt at the end of the season, so I just don’t fret the inbetween stuff.)

    If it’s your team, it’s your team. If you need a lot of excitement to feel good about watching them, I don’t know what to say about that. It just strikes me as strange.

    JMOOC

  67. Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Shame – One person’s creepy is another person’s romance

  68. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Shame – One person’s creepy is another person’s romance

    ————–

    Touché.

  69. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “I’ll admit it, I’m weak willed…I can’t stop dreaming about Kim Jones and Trisha doing synchronized swimming in the Marlin’s new aquarium….”

    That’s hysterical! I have to admit I laughed out loud when I read it!!!

    Pretty creative dreaming, Hassey.

    :D

  70. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “Any drop in the team performance sweeps away all the glamor loge participants”

    The Knicks have managed to keep the glamour peeps even when they were bad. Now that they are mediocre, they swoon for the team. Maybe the Yankees can do the same…sadly.

  71. Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    If he keep pitching like he is, Boone Logan is going to make people forget all about Felix Heredia

  72. 86w183 May 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I’d be thrilled to have Hamels and Hamilton, but you can’t have everything. It’s hard to see how another $ 20 M a year player worx with the quest for $ 189 M.

    I would like to see them get younger by adding Melky and/or BJ Upton in place of Swisher + Ibanez/Jones. Get cheaper at catcher, too.

    Biggest issues beyond 2013 are what to do about Cano/Granderson. Keeping both could cost close to $ 40 M a year.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Any drop in the team performance sweeps away all the glamor loge participants. The staunch baseball fans have been moved up, out and away. They’re not selling baseball, they’re selling sizzle.
    ///

    This is already in play at NYS or YS3 as it is more appropriately dubbed. More people stayed in their seats than stood when Pettitte took to the field for the first time on Sunday. That was disappointing, to say the least. I don’t know who those folks are, but they’re not the people who watched games across the street…

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Later y’all. Duty beckons.

    :(

  75. Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Why does everyone love BJ Upton, other than not being old and yes being cost-efficient? I mean, I know he had raw talent when he was even younger, but if he hasn’t been able to put it all together (for longer than the 2008 ALCS) under Maddon, then why would you think he’ll put it all together here? He’s way too inconsistent at the plate – isn’t that what we all want the team to get away form?

  76. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    “Biggest issues beyond 2013 are what to do about Cano/Granderson. Keeping both could cost close to $ 40 M a year.”

    That’s why I don’t understand why they aren’t trying to extend them now. They may not be successful, but in terms of money/years, it’s hard to believe it will ever be cheaper.

    I am starting to think that they may have a very top heavy team in 2014, with a ton of players making the minimum, which will probably cause them to take a step back, and then adding payroll in 2015.

  77. Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Huhuhuhuhuhuh – Trisha said “duty”

  78. Warning Track Power May 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Watching Nova limp off the field last night quickly reminded me about
    the Wang(lisfranc) injury he suffered several years ago.
    I guess we can be happy the injury is to the ankle only.

    Nice to see Tex hitting the go ahead homer. He continues to give 100% on the field. I loved the way he hustled to first and almost legged out a single.

  79. blake May 15th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    “That’s why I don’t understand why they aren’t trying to extend them now.”

    Because they are the Yankees and they will just outbid everyone to keep them if they want to keep them….oh wait

  80. blake May 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    I think i would rather put Mason Williams in the outfield next year than BJ Upton.

  81. Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    I am just DOMINATING this blog right now – long live the king!

  82. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    I think the way people make too much about the difference between OYS and NYS is the same as when people talk about the blog being so different now lol..

    A lot of Yankee fans have always been suits and ties. Won’t they always be?

  83. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    “That’s why I don’t understand why they aren’t trying to extend them now. ”

    Because we don’t have a solid 3 year plan.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    I am starting to think that they may have a very top heavy team in 2014, with a ton of players making the minimum, which will probably cause them to take a step back, and then adding payroll in 2015.
    ///

    Unless someone interesting from the system really fast tracks it, a combination of players even older, and marginal types, could mean a lost year. The “adding payroll” in 2015 may mean, again, that they don’t give the ready kids a real chance, because that’s probably a more realistic target year for arrivals of Sanchez, Williams, etc. …. I hope Williams is already here, but it might be asking a lot.

  85. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    “Nice to see Tex hitting the go ahead homer. He continues to give 100% on the field. I loved the way he hustled to first and almost legged out a single.”

    I like Tex a lot too… but I still think they should try and trade him lol. We need room in our budget (vomits).

  86. blake May 15th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    “Because we don’t have a solid 3 year plan.”

    I would talk a lot less about hating the budget if I was confident they had a real plan to become smarter and more efficient.

  87. Hassey May 15th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    I’m also not sure why people complain about how different the blog is now than yesteryear. It’s the laws of physics – it changed with the times like everythign else. Folks who miss the way it used to be can simply each mail with each other about the Yankees to avoid everyone they refer to as “trolls and idiots”. If they make a conscious decision to come back here even though they are perpetually disappointed, than it’s just a ploy to get attention.

    “…Boy the way Glenn Miller played…..Mister we can use a man like Herbert Hoover agaaaaiiin…”

  88. ac1 May 15th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Nice to see Tex hitting the go ahead homer. He continues to give 100% on the field. I loved the way he hustled to first and almost legged out a single.

    ___

    the question about tex is never whether he puts 100% in.

  89. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Me too, blake. That’s why I keep bringing up Tex. And Felix for that matter.

    There have been too many inconsistent decisions over the last 3 years to assume that they have a solid plan going forward whether it involves development, targeting free agents, or extending current players.

  90. Stoneburner May 15th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Tired of it – just tired of it. The continuous favoritism of certain prospects over others – the elitist view that there are only a few prospects to follow – the fake Yankees fan boys concentrate all of their attention this morning on waxing poetics about Mason Williams – yet they ignore that Angelo Gumbs is very much part of the equation and was the Sally League’s offensive player last week:

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....news_opotw

    And how no one is excited about Matt Tracy’s return to mound in 2012 and pitched a very good frist game for Tampa – a 6’3″ lefty mind you – these constant belief that these fake Yankees fan boys are certain which prospects are the goods because they say so – or for that matter – another publication or blog they frequent listed them on a top whatever list- I am tired of it. Remember – when the Yankees draft – they do not go by pundits top draft choice list – they form their own original opinions. Become original thought – fake Yankees fan boys – and perhaps then you will see the prospect game in an enhanced new light and not take everything personal when a prospect does not turn out the way you expected (and blame a Girardi or pitching development program or pitching coach) or is traded – - – -

  91. ac1 May 15th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    giants are already talking about extending melky.
    yankees need to learn about extensions and getting away from this wait til free agency crap.

  92. NYYROC May 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Not sure if this was answered, but that is DRob throwing LH in the pic. He does that in the OF during BP. He talked about it last year in a pre-game show. I saw him do that in Toronto last year.

  93. ac1 May 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Stoneburner, let some of these guys fly under the radar. The more attention our prospects get the worse it tends to get, but someone like Nova made it and Phelps is on his way. Kennedy, A-Jax, Montero traded while Joba was all messed up and Hughes is still a mystery. I know we always tend to learn to a few prospects but i am fine if they play their tails off and no one knows who they are until they get here….

  94. DONNYBROOK May 15th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    I like TEX, but his homer did Not win last night’s game. The shoddy Balt. defense gave that game away.
    If Nunez were to butcher a pop-up like Chavez did in the 9th, the Yanks would Bury Nunez somewhere in Hoboken. I continue to wonder what Chavez is doing on this Yankee team. Nunez would be Far more valuable\versitile than Chavez.

  95. Warning Track Power May 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    DONNYBROOK May 15th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    I like TEX, but his homer did Not win last night’s game. The shoddy Balt. defense gave that game away.
    If Nunez were to butcher a pop-up like Chavez did in the 9th, the Yanks would Bury Nunez somewhere in Hoboken. I continue to wonder what Chavez is doing on this Yankee team. Nunez would be Far more valuable\versitile than Chavez.
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    You’re being quite picky here. Tex hit the go ahead, 2 run homer that gave the Yankees the lead for good. I’d like to think he was the difference.
    Of course the Davis error at 1st gave the Yankees 2 runs, but the game was still tied
    when Tex went deep to RF.
    Nunez today is not as good as Chavez on defense.
    So the ball fell for a single. Big deal. The ball could have been caught by Jeter or Chavez. Neither did, but the team still won the game.

  96. austinmac May 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Nova’s has not pitched well this year. His stats are quite awful. He is allowing far, far too many baserunners. He will not stay in the rotation at this rate. His winning record disguises his poor pitching.

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    ac1,

    The more attention our prospects get the worse it tends to get, but someone like Nova made it and Phelps is on his way. Kennedy, A-Jax, Montero traded while Joba was all messed up and Hughes is still a mystery
    ////

    This still strikes me as a logical fallacy, and I don’t see how it applies at all to A-Jax and Montero. The former was traded for Granderson – he didn’t fail in NY and then get traded. Kennedy was barely here, either and had the aneurysm. Montero got promoted and tore the cover off the ball, and wanted like hell to be the Man in the Bronx…. Chamberlain was never sent back to Scott Aldred, because the Yankees wanted to cash in on his arm in the bullpen. Hughes is 25 years old and is healthy for a change… Phelps got time to develop, Nova got the luxury of being sent back down (unlike Chamberlain) and worked on that slider….

  98. blake May 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    I posted a link about Gumbs this morning.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    I never heard an explanation about the Chavez play, but it might have been pouring at the time. Maybe he lost sight of the ball in the downpour. Not that it matters; these things happen.

  100. ac1 May 15th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    my point is sometimes it’s ok for talent to get undervalued. I like the surprise of someone like Nova or Robertson showing up on the team and kicking arse. honestly i would prefer a team of 24 yankees prospects and CC….

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Be interesting to see how this Gumbs/Feliz thing sorts out. If their bats keep moving forward, it would be stupid to lose one of them because of the position conflict. Both toolsy types who could also handle the OF.

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    ac1 May 15th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    my point is sometimes it’s ok for talent to get undervalued. I like the surprise of someone like Nova or Robertson showing up on the team and kicking arse. honestly i would prefer a team of 24 yankees prospects and CC….
    ///

    I’m with you on the latter. Good luck, though, with this management. Melky is one guy I would welcome back, being a system guy and a SH, can play all 3 OF spots, great arm, & would be only 28 until next August. But Giants love his whole game: he made a great running catch and then threw out of a runner from left field to first base in their 11-nnings win the other night, and is just a hitting machine. So I won’t be surprised if they do wrap him up, as per your post. Too bad Cashman didn’t listen to Alex.

  103. yankeefeminista May 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    No real update on Campos but Yanks like to keep these things close to the vest. FWIW Goldstein had this:

    Kevin Goldstein ? @Kevin_Goldstein
    They’re going to be cautious with it. Still going to be awhile. RT @YourSource123: @Kevin_Goldstein Any news on Campos?

    Interesting article in BP on pitchers, arm health and the debate about how Sale et al (Joba?) being put in the pen may contribute to lack of arm health vs. maintain it due to max delivery, erratic pitching sched, etc.

    http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=16877

    Heyer is now hurt; wonder if someone gets called up from Tampa to Trenton. Norris spoke to a Yankee insider that mentioned but doubted Turley would get the nod. I can see it down the road, but not just yet. I think Turley would have already been up in Trenton if not for last year’s season ending injury.

    Dellin goes in Toledo tonight. No rain there, gratefully.

    Rich, I agree.

    Which Gumbs article, blake? There have been a couple of different recent references to him.


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