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Yankees lose an ugly one in Toronto

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 16, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees search for consistency continues. They’ve lacked it in the rotation, they’ve lacked it in the lineup and tonight neither was working in an ugly 8-1 loss to the Blue Jays. The Yankees went 1-for-8 with runners in scoring position, one night after going 1-for-9 in those pivotal at-bats. Hiroki Kuroda allowed seven runs in five innings, the most runs he’d allowed all season. Kuroda got through the first inning with no problem — the first had been his worst inning this season — but the Blue Jays went on to hit four home runs in the game, three of them off Kuroda. Their first six runs came with two outs. The Yankees only run came on a two-out RBI single by Mark Teixeira, one of just three Yankees hits.

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299 Responses to “Yankees lose an ugly one in Toronto”

  1. Hassey May 16th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Jack Curry on Twitter – loading up the ice packs because Kuroda’s neck is going to hurt in the a.m.

  2. NYY fan in NH May 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Ugly no matter how you slice it.. Tough team to watch right now. High expectations, but really maybe they aren’t built for this year.

  3. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Sorry, it’s neither polite nor repsectful to post a non-stop Montero eulogy. Really, do you need to flood the board with the same point worded 1000 different ways? Just because you’re not calling for someone to die or get cancer, you think that makes it ok? And don’t say just skip over the posts, the posts dominate the threads.

  4. luis May 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    luis May 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    comet May 16th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Hey Luis good to see you here!

    =============================

    Hey Comet!! What’s up? I would think that you would be at Rogers stadium!! ;)

  5. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for the post game comments from Baghdad Joe.

  6. rr212 May 16th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    repost
    —-
    BigOut, i agree that the “troll” label is overused and not accurate. I’m ok w/ venting and I do it myself. If not here, where else?

  7. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Kuroda did not make Pineda unessential. He may have the 2nd best stats in the rotation but he is not a #2, not even close.

    Look close enough at this staff overall moving forward and you can see the San Andreas fault line running through it. Something needed to be done about the staff long term. You can argue that Montero was worth more and maybe that he should have been traded for someone like Gio instead of Pineda but the fact remains, the staff needed an infusion of talent for some long-term stability. They sold Montero after he hit. 328 or something? They DH’d him. They gave him plenty of AB’s against lefties. They sold high. Pineda was maybe the wrong choice but that still is an open debate because he’s injured. It’s stupid to pound that point because we won’t know for a year. An honest argument looks at Montero vs. Yankee pitching needs. Kuroda doesn’t cut it.

  8. JobaTipsHisCap May 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    The worst game of the season so far.
    They just wanna collect checks tonight

  9. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    mick May 16th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    BigOut, i agree that the “troll” label is overused and not accurate. I’m ok w/ venting and I do it myself. If not here, where else?
    =======================
    rr-
    did you ever think that the ones that yell troll are the trolls?

  10. Hassey May 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    who makes a longer, stronger run later this summer – Yanks or Tigers?

  11. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    NEXT—->>>>

  12. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    SORRY that was meant for the last thread

  13. rr212 May 16th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    rr-
    did you ever think that the ones that yell troll are the trolls?
    —-
    I honestly don’t know and i’m in no position to say one way or the other. my only definition/example of a troll is what the poster (Marshall?) was doing on saturday. That, to me, is an example of a troll.

  14. rr212 May 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Hassey, i was thinkin the same thing. I hope (obviously) that it is the Yanks, but I think the Tigers have the easier path.

  15. Hassey May 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    girardi beginning to line up his rotation for the one game WC playoff

  16. Niblick May 16th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Can’t wait for Joe to say “you’ve got to give the credit to the other pitcher”.

  17. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    so if “PITCHING WINS” why not trade cano for PITCHING?

    the yankees have the power to trade him for a pitcher.

    why not do it?

    personally,i wouldn’t trade him for kind felix straight up.

    what about you “PITCHING WINS ” advocates?

  18. luis May 16th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    rr,

    Stoneburner is our resident troll. Let him be, i rather see him commenting about Marshall but without the Montero bashing meme.

  19. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    montero=cano?

  20. sunny615 May 16th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Yankees look like crap warmed over.

  21. rr212 May 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    luis, will do.

    G’nite all.

  22. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    luis-
    Is this too troll-like for you?

    mick May 16th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Read my posts for the past 3 months and you will have an idea of what i mean by plenty of pitching, to the point tha we suffered several injuries on that front and we still have plenty of depth to spare. If you so choose not to see it, well i can’t help you with that.
    ==================
    luis.
    what you don’t under stand is that i do see what you are saying but disagree.
    you refuse to accept that.
    what you call depth, i call potential.
    garcia, phelps=depth?
    pettitte=not a given yet.
    kuroda=good and bad.
    nova=hurt
    hughes=maybe

  23. bruceb May 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Hassey May 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    girardi beginning to line up his rotation for the one game WC playoff

    I know it’s still early days but I think even that may be beyond this team. Wait until we start blowing leads in the later innings without Mo and Robbo.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    mick, Singleton and Leiter seem concerned about Kuroda too.

    This could be a problem.

  25. Hassey May 16th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    I wonder which AL teams have the lowest “% of overall innings played in which they’ve scored”

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Night rr212.

    :)

  27. RMS May 16th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    “You are the only person on this blog that makes randy l not post about Montero.”

    what do you want to know about him?

    ——————————————————————————————————–
    How did he do tonight?

  28. Jerzz May 16th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Possibly the worst thing that could have happened to Granderson was hitting 41 homers last year. He’s fast becoming a pull-crazy strikeout artist. 42 so far and getting ready to challenge Adam Dunn.

    ————-

    yeah, I noticed that as well. He needs to get back to what he was doing. We don’t want him becoming the CF version of Adam Dunn, it just compounds our streakiness/boom or bust persona.

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Kuroda’s allowed the first run in 7 of his 8 games. – Newman and Curry

  30. luis May 16th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Mick,

    I am not accusing you of trolling, even though sometimes you get on my nerves. Fine we disagree and that’s all. ok?

  31. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    mick, Singleton and Leiter seem concerned about Kuroda too.

    This could be a problem.
    ================
    He hasn’t been a #2.

  32. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Joe G: “He’s a ground ball pitcher and we couldn’t lay off the sinkers…”

  33. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    sure luis…

  34. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Luis

    Make no mistake, he’s trolling.

  35. bruceb May 16th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    “This kid has good stuff” – Girardi. Didn’t have it any of his last four games, Joe, before we gave him the kiss of life.

  36. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Luis

    Make no mistake, he’s trolling.
    ======================
    That woke you up from your coma?

  37. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    “How did he do tonight?”

    I am sick of this discussion myself, but how did he do for the Yankees in Sept, if you want to quote sss. Just keep the discussion going ad nauseum even though you claim that you don’t want to discuss him.

  38. Hassey May 16th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Mick – No, but he smells like #2 every other start

  39. comet May 16th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Hi GB and Luis:

    the Sky Dome is one of the worst places to watch a ballgame. The seating is bad, they have really load annoying music blaring all over the place and the fans are a bunch of drunks.

    GB I Visqual could help Nunez who I think will be a major leaguer with someone if not the Yankees. He could also help our other infielders as well defensively and could likely teach bat control as well.

    Things up here are a little rough. We lost a very dear close friend to lung cancer today. She was 59.

  40. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Tar,
    Ask trish if she thinks i’m a troll?
    You could still ignore me…

  41. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Everyone knows who is and isn’t a troll here.

  42. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    “mick, Singleton and Leiter seem concerned about Kuroda too.

    This could be a problem.”

    well since kuroda has the second best starter era on the team maybe there are a few other problems too.

    just curious.

    what is your solution to the really bad overall starter era?

    new pitching coach?

    even cc hasn’t been his usual self?

    why is everyone underachieving?

  43. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Thats tough, Sorry for your loss comet.

  44. Hassey May 16th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    is this like poker, where if you don’t know who the troll is then it’s you?

  45. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Everyone knows who is and isn’t a troll here.
    =================
    speak for yourself.

  46. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Comet, so sorry to hear that. You have my heartfelt condolences.

  47. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    “Everyone knows who is and isn’t a troll here.”

    yes

    mick-

    i don’t think anyone thinks you’re a troll

    just misguided :)

  48. comet May 16th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Thanks Tar!

  49. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Mick, you can’t tell?

  50. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    just misguided
    =========
    vague. please explain, if you care to…

  51. luis May 16th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Comet,

    Very sad to hear about your friend, hopefully she is in a better place. RIP

  52. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    YF
    i have a more liberal view of what a troll is.

  53. comet May 16th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Thanks Luis. She is in a better place, pain free at last. Knew her and husband for forty years!

  54. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Mick, http://www.google.com/search?c.....8;oe=UTF-8

  55. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    trish, you don’t have to explain why you think kuroda has been mediocre, don’t get caught in that trap where some like to think they are elite baseball minds and put you to the test.

  56. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Who is down for the Rays? Passed out?

  57. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Comet

    It puts the blog nonsense and even baseball in perspective. Again sorry

  58. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Is it Rhymes?

  59. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    YF
    this blog is like watching paint dry when there are no arguments.
    call them discussions, it is so common here.
    if your definition were true then Randy is the biggest troll here…

  60. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    “so if “PITCHING WINS” why not trade cano for PITCHING?”

    Ah randy, do you want a real answer to this question?

    Because the real answer is that the Yankees will obviously not be trading Cano for pitching because, despite little catch phrases and slogans, they have not abandoned and are not abandoning trying to have a balanced team with a powerful offense.

    They traded one offensive player to improve the pitching. Before that they traded a pitcher (among others) for an offensive player. They’ll probably do more of both in the future, but Cano isn’t likely to be involved.

  61. RMS May 16th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    “How did he do tonight?”

    I am sick of this discussion myself, but how did he do for the Yankees in Sept, if you want to quote sss. Just keep the discussion going ad nauseum even though you claim that you don’t want to discuss him.
    ————————————————————————————————-
    This question was in response to randy l’s comment to me.

  62. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    And the short answer is because they have a good idea Montero will never be as good as Cano.

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    “trish, you don’t have to explain why you think kuroda has been mediocre, don’t get caught in that trap where some like to think they are elite baseball minds and put you to the test.”

    Thank you mick!

    I’m good with that.

    :)

  64. sammiejohnson May 16th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Who is down for the Rays? Passed out

    ___________

    Rymes. Hit by pitch. But in the arm. Went to 1b. Stood there a minute. Went down.

  65. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    “Because the real answer is that the Yankees will obviously not be trading Cano for pitching because, despite little catch phrases and slogans, they have not abandoned and are not abandoning trying to have a balanced team with a powerful offense.”

    nick in sf-

    have they signed him yet for the future?

  66. yankee 221 May 16th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Worse trade – the Vazquez one or Pineda one?

  67. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    sammie, Thanks. I hope he is OK; that was scary the way he just suddenly collapsed while standing at 1B.

  68. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    randy l.-

    As far as I know, they have an option on Cano for the 2013 season. I think they’ll probably pick up the option, but you can predict otherwise at any time.

    Have they traded Cano for pitching yet?

  69. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    You would think AGon would have made some move to help Rhymes when he was going down? He just watched the 3rd base coach try to hold him up. IDK I guess I have to watch it again.

  70. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    what i find amusing is the cowardice displayed by some who consider themselves judges.
    they bait and run.
    make a caustic comment and then back down by remaining silent.
    ludicrous…

  71. luis May 16th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Trisha and Mick,

    I don’t think JAP was in any way trying to take sides here. I think he asked an honest and fair question, tried to explain why he thought he wanted an answer. He just wanted to talk baseball and why not change the tune of the blog from Montero and Randy.

    I think he made a fair point if you ask me. JMHO, there is no need to get mad.

  72. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    The Vazquez trade looked horrible after year one. Cashman can redeem himself for the Vazquez trade by signing Melky for RF. This way he has Logan, Melky and Bichette instead of A. Vizcaino, a first round pick and Melky money.

    Montero is a DH hitting .248 in baseball Siberia. Pineda has a 50/50 shot to return to his 2011 form. So judgment for that trade should be put on hold. Noesi would get pounded in the AL East. We’ll have to see what happens with Campos.

  73. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    hey, if everyone is dissatisfied with yankee pitching then good for me in my wish that cashman be slid sideways in the organization. he’s the one who puts the rotation togther.

    i’m simply saying i think people are overreacting to kuroda’s bad game tonight.

    every yankee starter is underachieving.

    it has to change or you have to start looking at the pitching coach.

  74. JT May 16th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Its early.

  75. TheStraw May 16th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    It’s not a question of trolling vs. not trolling. It’s more that some porters here (and largely one’s who have already left for the evening) want to bang the “season is over” drum after every negative moment, yet disappear on the nights the Yankees win. There is a big difference between making targeted criticisms and making blanket statements like “this team sucks”, or “this is a last place club”, or the classic “game is lost” in the third inning. It’s tiresome. The infighting between the pro and anti Cash factions is less annoying, it actually leads to some good discussion. I hate that this place has become a personal venting board for the “sky is falling crew”. There is a way to indicate concern without being so damn negative and pessimistic all the time.

  76. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    it has to change or you have to start looking at the pitching coach.
    ======================
    maybe your buddy can try to get his job back
    but then we would have to get a new gm, hmmmmm………

  77. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “And the short answer is because they have a good idea Montero will never be as good as Cano.”

    Sometime after January 13 and before the season began, randy l. said that Montero would end up being better than Cano.

    I asked then what he meant by that; that Montero will be a better hitter than Cano? Better overall considering offense, defense, position, etc.? Better by what measurement?

    I received no reply, but I’m curious if randy l. still holds that opinion and what he means by it if so.

  78. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    t’s not a question of trolling vs. not trolling. It’s more that some porters here (and largely one’s who have already left for the evening) want to bang the “season is over” drum after every negative moment, yet disappear on the nights the Yankees win.
    ==================
    maybe they are redsox fans, would they still be considered these awful trolls?

  79. yankfan May 16th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    kuroda was a HORRIBLE signing…his nibbling stuff will not survive in the AL east….but cashman gave him 10M, what a joke!

    fire cashman

  80. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    You asked for it so here goes…

    Using multiple screen names you bullied a female poster on here way beyond the point of what’s right and decent. You took it to the land of creepy(over baseball). It got so bad that I felt compelled to intervene.

    Taking sides with WCYF in some sort of weird, anarchist, mob mentality way. You tried to not only bring the blog down with your arguments are what makes this blog interesting stupid meme, but also run over anybody who got in your way. ( BTW you all failed miserably as thugs, but did succeed in running off some good mature posters.)

    You have tried this tack “using” Trish before to try and get at me. When I agree to whatever stupidity your espousing, you than pull the rug out. OK whatever grow up—- dude.

    You are the definition of a troll

    How was that for an answer Mick

  81. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Nick, Cano–2013: 15M Team Option, $2M Buyout

  82. JT May 16th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Cut Cashman some slack on Pineda.

  83. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    I received no reply, but I’m curious if randy l. still holds that opinion
    ==========================
    randy does not need to elaborate.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    luis, I answered. And I was specific in my answers. But mick is right. I don’t have to tap dance for anyone here. If my answers aren’t good enough for someone, and someone continues to come back and say I haven’t supported my position, when I certainly feel I have, well hey. I mean, there are no authorities on this forum. Just a bunch of people behind keyboards giving opinions.

    Right?

  85. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Using multiple screen names
    =================
    wrong. don’t make statements you cannot prove or have not substantiated.

  86. TheStraw May 16th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Devils really took it physically to the Rangers in the third period.

  87. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    You are the definition of a troll

    How was that for an answer Mick
    =======================
    pathetic. i see you haven’t evolved.

  88. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    funny juxtaposition where people want cashman fired for signing kuroda and randy who would like nothing better than to see cashman fired, has to defend cashman’s signing of kuroda because randy was so in favor of the signing.

    but calm down everyone, kuroda will be ok. not great but ok. i was against the signing but i think he’s going to be mediocre to passable. we’ve got some problems, but kuroda is currently pretty far down the list of our problems.

  89. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    the word troll has no meaning here.

  90. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    I would trade Granderson for a young pitcher.

  91. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    “wrong. don’t make statements you cannot prove or have not substantiated.”

    It’s not that i’m wrong, it’s that I can’t substantiate it. HAHA

    Whatever….. Dude

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    hings up here are a little rough. We lost a very dear close friend to lung cancer today. She was 59.
    ///

    comet, please accept my sympathy. She isn’t really gone, though. It just seems that way. God bless.

  93. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    TheStraw May 16th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    It’s not a question of trolling vs. not trolling.
    _____
    Certain people are indeed being trolled in the true sense of the word. There is a difference between those trolls and the sky is falling brigade. There should be no censorship or blog bullying re: people expressing their opinions, no matter how divergent. However, it is easy not to notice the regulars who troll when you are not one of the people being trolled.

  94. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    “the word troll has no meaning here.”

    For me it means—- WCYF and his minion Mick.

  95. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    You have tried this tack “using” Trish before to try and get at me. When I agree to whatever stupidity your espousing, you than pull the rug out. OK whatever grow up—- dude.
    ======================
    you hold a grudge.
    trish and i are better friends than you are with her.
    i love exposing you for the immature guy you are though.
    aside from your untruths and poor observations i am still willing to be friendly.
    perhaps you are the unforgiving one who misunderstands.

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    # luis May 16th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    ….
    I think he made a fair point if you ask me. JMHO, there is no need to get mad.
    ///

    luis, thanks. Talkin’ baseball….that’s all. :D

  97. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Whatever….. Dude
    ==============
    High school or middle?
    Keep exposing yourself, dude.

  98. TheStraw May 16th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Devils win.

  99. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Mick’s not a troll, just has an at times warped despite overall healthy sense of humor. His pestering of Betsy was parody. It wasn’t malicious. Mick just gets a kick out of people when they take themselves too seriously.

  100. comet May 16th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Thanks JAP. You’re right of course.

  101. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    “Sometime after January 13 and before the season began, randy l. said that Montero would end up being better than Cano.

    I asked then what he meant by that; that Montero will be a better hitter than Cano? Better overall considering offense, defense, position, etc.? Better by what measurement?

    I received no reply, but I’m curious if randy l. still holds that opinion and what he means by it if so.”

    nick in sf-

    a link to the actual discussion would be nice since you tend to misremember conversations.

    i think it’s possible that montero will have a better career OPS than cano.

    cano is only in the .840′s lifetime afterall.

    i love cano as a second baseman, but he’s a second baseman.

    we may have seen the best of cano at this point.

    but just curious nick, why are you asking about montero tonight?

    just in the mood to duel with me?

    i’d rather talk about yankee starting pitching and why 5 starters are all going badly. sabathia is close to his norm but he’s still down.

  102. luis May 16th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Right Trisha, but there is no need to get defensive.

  103. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    “you hold a grudge.”

    Haha don’t flatter yourself. I just see right through you, Dude. You are like the little kid who is happiest when he’s making mischief. But your not a little kid anymore Mick, grow up.

    But you do bring up a good point. How has Trish not seen right through your oh so transparent act?

  104. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Mick’s not a troll, just has an at times warped despite overall healthy sense of humor. His pestering of Betsy was parody. It wasn’t malicious. Mick just gets a kick out of people when they take themselves too seriously.
    =======================
    Thank you Brett.
    Quite incisive.

  105. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    But you do bring up a good point. How has Trish not seen right through your oh so transparent act?
    ============
    why not ask her, dude?

  106. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    eboland11 Martin: “It looked like we were trying to hit a three-run homer with nobody on and that’s not how you win ballgames.”

    Wow, Martin said something intelligent. Of course he is as guilty of this as anyone.

  107. JT May 16th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    The trolls keep it interesting. I like the crazy, contrary viewpoints.

    They will win their 90-95 games. After that, its crapshoot world.

    Just get to the dance.

  108. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    “Whatever….. Dude
    ==============
    High school or middle?”

    It’s a parody of your alter ego-dude.

    Should I go find an example post for everybody? Nah the regulars get it.

  109. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    ” It wasn’t malicious”

    What? Get a clue Bret

  110. yankee 221 May 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    “I would trade Granderson for a young pitcher.”

    So would I. This time, someone who has a track record of durability and performance, not someone who has a high upside but still a work in progress

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    luis – :)

    That’s my only answer at this point.

    Neither the energy nor the desire.

    Montero and Pineda have caused quite a schism on this forum and the only reason I don’t say more about it is because I consider you, J Al and YF good friends. That’s the truth. Otherwise I would be jumping in with a lot of other people.

    So when you talk about no need to get defensive, realize there’s been lots of that on both sides. And lots of it comes when one side says basically that the other hasn’t supported its position sufficiently. See where I’m going with that.

    In addition, I don’t consider the game thread an appropriate venue for deep discussion. I never have. You want to have extended conversation about something, get me outside of a game thread.

    JMO

  112. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Tar
    You are full of hate.
    As I said the other day, you want an apology.
    Get over yourself.

  113. luis May 16th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    You have tried this tack “using” Trish before to try and get at me. When I agree to whatever stupidity your espousing, you than pull the rug out. OK whatever grow up—- dude.
    ======================
    you hold a grudge.
    trish and i are better friends than you are with her.
    i love exposing you for the immature guy you are though.
    aside from your untruths and poor observations i am still willing to be friendly.
    perhaps you are the unforgiving one who misunderstands.

    ===========================

    Mick,

    I am sorry but Tar is one of the best posters here. I do remember the way you treated Betsy. Or the way you treat some Montero fans as elitist, not real Yankee fans and other epithets. Better leave him alone he is way out of your league.

  114. EA May 16th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    I would trade Granderson for a young pitcher.

    ———–

    Not a terrible idea. Gets some Ks out of the lineup and infuses the rotation. Also we probably can’t afford to re-sign Granderson anyway, so might as well get some value and fill a hole while simultaneously making money to sign Melky this winter.

  115. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    yankee 221 May 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    “I would trade Granderson for a young pitcher.”

    So would I. This time, someone who has a track record of durability and performance, not someone who has a high upside but still a work in progress.
    _____
    You can’t mean right now? Who replaces Granderson’s bat?

  116. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Better leave him alone he is way out of your league.
    =========================
    That is true.

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    # yankee 221 May 16th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Worse trade – the Vazquez one or Pineda one?
    ///

    Both sucked? :D. At least, from Vazquez, we have Bichette to look forward to. Losing Montero, though, is probably the greater tragedy.

  118. sammiejohnson May 16th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Pujols three run blast.

  119. Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
    “How did he do tonight?”

    I am sick of this discussion myself, but how did he do for the Yankees in Sept, if you want to quote sss. Just keep the discussion going ad nauseum even though you claim that you don’t want to discuss him.

    ********

    Oh simple minded fake Yankees prospect fan boys – don’t you know that the two months where you do not take stats to heart are September and March – - – -the arguments grow weaker and weaker – just as the false prophet son’s obp and avg go lower and lower – - – -remember – you brought this upon yourself with the whinning and overreaction – the counter-reaction is your own making – your frankenstein has come home to roost – - – - -

  120. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Mick,

    I am sorry but Tar is one of the best posters here.
    =============================
    Again your subjective view.
    He is rarely here.

  121. mick May 16th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Montero fans as elitist,
    ==============
    only some.

  122. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Mick,

    You have Tar convinced you are some conspiratorial evildoer which is pretty far off-base from reality but also the result of your teasing and tormenting the wrong person. Some people don’t decode your lingo and some people just can’t tolerate being teased even if you just poke fun at them. I’ve poked fun at Tar’s basketball team and he responded with outright hostility so now I know not to even kid around with him. Trisha is another person that should not be egged on. She will plaster her stress all over these walls when you do that.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    # Tar May 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    ” It wasn’t malicious”

    What? Get a clue Bret
    ///

    Tar,

    How you doin’ man. Waste of breath ;).

  124. comet May 16th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Mick I used to enjoy your posts but you have become a belligerent Troll. Go hide under a bridge!

  125. EA May 16th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Both sucked? :D . At least, from Vazquez, we have Bichette to look forward to. Losing Montero, though, is probably the greater tragedy.

    ————

    Yea, that is the way I feel as well.

    Melky is good, but not a generational bat like Montero is.

    The moral of the story is – Cashman can’t acquire a pitcher to save his life so he should stop trying to use our young talent to acquire it. At least someone like Kuroda didn’t cost us anything but $$$

  126. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    so what do the yankees do to get the starting pitching to acceptable levels?

    it’s early, but not that early.

  127. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    “Montero and Pineda have caused quite a schism on this forum and the only reason I don’t say more about it is because I consider you, J Al and YF good friends. That’s the truth. Otherwise I would be jumping in with a lot of other people.”
    ________
    I don’t see why good friends can’t have divergent viewpoints. It shouldn’t be personal and people shouldn’t be bullied into not expressing their respective views. If people respect each other there shouldn’t be a problem. The problem arises when people try to control the tenor of the blog.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    I hate these moments because these are all people I really care about.

    mick – Tar is one of my oldest and dearest friends here. I love him dearly. He is a gentle soul.

    Tar – I agree with Bret that mick tries to get people not to take themselves too seriously. He’s done it to me. But he’s also a really good friend. I think that mick doesn’t have problems with forum arguing, he actually thinks it spices up a thread. I don’t think he takes it very seriously. So I think you’re seeing some of that. I wasn’t crazy when he aligned with WCSF but again, I think he just thinks it spices up the thread.

    I can’t insist that you guys be friends. But if you both agree to wipe the slate clean and try fresh, that could be a good thing.

    Not trying to change anyone’s thinking. Just trying to find some middle ground.

  129. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    You have Tar convinced you are some conspiratorial evildoer which is pretty far off-base from reality but also the result of your teasing and tormenting the wrong person.
    =================================
    who would be the right person?

  130. TheStraw May 16th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Granderson isn’t going anywhere. If they were to trade any outfielder, it would be Swisher. Not that I think they should trade an OF. The reality is that, if they want to make deals for bats, they are going to have to part with some of their vaunted pitching prospects.

  131. JT May 16th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Granderson will retire as a beloved Yankee with 400 lifetime HRs and a prominent slot on the YES network.

  132. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    “a link to the actual discussion would be nice since you tend to misremember conversations.”

    Name one I misremembered, please. I mean a real one, not one you think you saw on a “video” somewhere. ;)

    “but just curious nick, why are you asking about montero tonight?”

    I’m not really asking about Montero, per se, but when you tried to make a lame rhetorical point about Cano, I remembered your earlier statement about the two players, Cano being one of them and Montero the other. So it was your prediction I was asking about.

  133. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Thank you Luis

    Now Mick isn’t better when I Ignore you, or do you want to cry like a baby to Trish some more.

    I don’t want an apology, ( although you could apologize to Betsy and GB ) Just leave me alone, I don’t trust any of your motives. OK

  134. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    trishinger :)

  135. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    giants SB rings look nice. nice quiet offseason for the G-Men!

    in other news, rex lost weight, nameth likes tebow, revis might hold out, jets ‘not going to be on hard knock’…

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    “Better leave him alone he is way out of your league.”

    luis, I don’t that was necessary.

  137. bruceb May 16th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    A lot of money for a very average pitcher. $11 mill I believe.

  138. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Tar-
    Just trying to help .

  139. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    I get your sense of humor Mick so you can bust my chops so I would be one right person. There are others here if you catch em in the right mood. You’re not the only funny guy ya know :lol: I picture you practicing comic routines in front of the mirror and the crowd roars with laughter, but it is YOU playing the part of the crowd as well. ;)

  140. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Bret

    I don’t remember being hostile to you over how sucky Ucon was :D

  141. Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Sometime after January 13 and before the season began, randy l. said that Montero would end up being better than Cano.

    **********

    This is just crazy – - – -and I love it – - – - and this is the very definition of what started all of this – “WOULD END UP” – not might – or has a good chance – it’s the attitude that it is predestined to happen- – - – total BS that anyone knows with such certainty – - – - but it is what keeps this going – - – -

  142. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Oh well. I blame Montero and Pineda for all of this.

    Best I can do is remain pals with my pals and hope everyone decides to take the high ground.

    :(

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    # TheStraw May 16th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Devils really took it physically to the Rangers in the third period.
    ///

    This will make Shame Spencer happy. What was the final?

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    trisha,

    DId you happen to see the film Higher Ground? It was around briefly, but mostly in smaller “arthouse” type theaters. Can’t say for sure, of course, but I think you’d really like it.

  145. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    your teasing and tormenting the wrong person.
    ===========================
    no brett, i meant who was this wrong person?
    there have been so many…

  146. 28 RINGS May 16th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    mick is just here to add balance to the universe – for everyone who keeps comparing Montero to Babe Ruth he needs to let everyone know he is a .260 hitting DH with no position and the team needs pitching.

    There needs to be a ying and yang effect. There is too much ying here with the Montero anointing that is off the reservation of reality, so mick must remind the folks of what Montero is really doing.

    If people here were objective about Montero then mick would have no reason to stir the pot. mick is not one to pull punches – if you say something stupid, expect to be knocked. That is the mantra that made SJ44 the respected poster that he is/was – he called people out on their fantasy land perceptions as well

  147. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    J Al – never saw it. But I am now going to go out of my way to find it.

    I absolutely trust your judgment when it comes to the arts.

    ;)

  148. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    “Name one I misremembered, please”

    name one you didn’t :)

  149. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    “Better leave him alone he is way out of your league.”

    luis, I don’t that was necessary.
    ///

    trisha, your best buddy “mick” has been trolling luis for days and days. Luis is such a diplomat, and such a good soul, he’s hasn’t told him where he can put it. Tar is right on, and so is luis.

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    See J Al, you and I always manage to kiss and make up. I wish everyone could do that.

    :D

  151. TheStraw May 16th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    It was 3-2 but the Devils were knocking them all over the rink the last five to ten minutes.

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    J Al – never saw it. But I am now going to go out of my way to find it.

    I absolutely trust your judgment when it comes to the arts.

    ;)
    ///

    Let me see if I can find the link. Very unusual, moving film.

  153. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    The Chucky doll is SCARY looking!

  154. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Tar is right on, and so is luis.
    ==================
    The 3 of you should grow a sense of humor.

  155. Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    And total BS that no one comments on Marshall’s nice performance tonight – but meanwhile – their darling favorite Betances blows his nose and everyone is dissecting every curveball or fastball he throws and his mechanics not being repeated – oh and Marshall is younger than Betances – is in AA – so it is not this anti-Matt Tracy stuff like – he is in Tampa – he is soooo far away – and Marshall should mean a lot to the fake Yankees prospect fan boys – for he is redemption for the 2008 amateur draft where we could not sign Gerrit Cole – will he be Cole – no – but he at least will be the Yankees guy – something positive to come out of the missed opportunity to sign the first round pick – just unbelievable the favoritism and elitism of these fake fan boys – they choose which prospects they like – and pay little attention to other performers – for to be a true prospect hugger means you are happy with all of them – you root for all of them – you do not pit a Romine vs. a Montero – you do not pit a Banuelos vs. a Tracy – the favoritism – - – -ha – - – –

  156. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    so does anyone have any ideas about yankee starters?

    they are not doing so well?

    how does a whole staff go bad?

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    J Al, I truly believe that mick hasn’t been stalking luis as much as he’s been making his position on Montero unequivocally known. I’m not here reading posts all the time, but I think it’s just mick’s personality to tell it like it is and take no hostages in the process.

    luis is much more a diplomat, though I think every once-in-a while, he gets a little frisky. :) But he is extremely kind in the way he approaches things.

    I think it’s different approaches butting up against each other.

  158. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    trisha, your best buddy “mick” has been trolling luis for days and days.
    =========================
    it’s called disagreeing or as you put it “trolling.”

  159. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    28 RINGS May 16th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
    That is the mantra that made SJ44 the respected poster that he is/was – he called people out on their fantasy land perceptions as well

    SJ44 tweated that the season was over right after Mo went down. Just one example. I hardly see him as being qualified to be the voice of rationality.

  160. G. Love May 16th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Maybe we need to hire Mickey Hatcher and then fire him?

  161. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Here you go, trish:

    http://movies.nytimes.com/2011.....rmiga.html

    Navigating Between Faith and Skepticism
    By A. O. SCOTT
    Published: August 25, 2011

    “There is something remarkable — you might even say miraculous — about the way “Higher Ground” makes its gentle, thoughtful way across the burned-over terrain of the American culture wars. The film, directed with disarming grace and sharp intelligence by Vera Farmiga (who also stars in it), is about the conflict between skepticism and religious faith, but it does not treat that battle as an either/or, winner-take-all proposition. Movies about belief and believers frequently succumb to woozy piety or brittle contempt, but “Higher Ground” belongs, along with Robert Duvall’s “Apostle” and Michael Tolkin’s underappreciated “Rapture,” among the elect. Focused with sympathetic intensity on the ordeal of a single soul, it illuminates, as though from within, a complex spiritual struggle….”

  162. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    so does anyone have any ideas about yankee starters?

    they are not doing so well?
    ====================CALLING NEIL ALLEN,
    DR NEIL ALLEN TO THE FO.

  163. TheStraw May 16th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    And on that note, it’s time to go to bed.

    See are 9, you got problems. Big problems.

  164. yankee 221 May 16th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Marshall cannot miss any bats despite his velocity.

    Nik Turley and Matt Tracy are average lefties like Jeremey Bleich

    PP said they were encouraged by Betances yesterday as well

  165. luis May 16th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    J Al, I truly believe that mick hasn’t been stalking luis as much as he’s been making his position on Montero unequivocally known. I’m not here reading posts all the time, but I think it’s just mick’s personality to tell it like it is and take no hostages in the process.

    luis is much more a diplomat, though I think every once-in-a while, he gets a little frisky. :) But he is extremely kind in the way he approaches things.

    I think it’s different approaches butting up against each other.

    ==================================

    Frisky? Could you please elaborate?

  166. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Night Straw.

    A marathon not a sprint, yes?

    Onward and upward!

    :)

  167. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    “name one you didn’t”

    All of them! But you asked for one: I did not misremember the one where you said that Montero will be better than Cano and then I asked some follow-up questions. But you could rightly counter that we didn’t have any actual conversation on that occasion, since you either ignored or didn’t read my questions and offered no reply.

    Here’s another one I didn’t misremember: the time I asked you why your expert opinion should be more valuable than the expert opinions of people with higher levels of success in the sport of baseball and you replied that you were not going to apologize for getting off your couch and doing something. That was a good one!

    Your turn: one example of a conversation I misremembered. TIA.

  168. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    “SJ44 tweated that the season was over right after Mo went down. Just one example. I hardly see him as being qualified to be the voice of rationality.”

    sj44 was excellent on this blog.

    that said, we sparred sometimes. i like and still like sj.

    mo going down is huge.

    no doubt about it.

  169. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    28 RINGS May 16th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    mick is just here to add balance to the universe – for everyone who keeps comparing Montero to Babe Ruth he needs to let everyone know he is a .260 hitting DH with no position and the team needs pitching.

    There needs to be a ying and yang effect. There is too much ying here with the Montero anointing that is off the reservation of reality, so mick must remind the folks of what Montero is really doing.

    If people here were objective about Montero then mick would have no reason to stir the pot. mick is not one to pull punches

    *********

    That is exactly what Mick does in a nutshell. He attempts to get people to lighten up and they take it the wrong way which only encourages him.

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Talk about tempting karma. Wow.
    ///

    This is why this site requires a moderator.

    Half the stuff that comes off in here would not be tolerated on other sites. StonedAgain, for example would have been phaser gunned on River Avenue and Pinstripes Plus the first time he posted his “wax his poetics” BS.

  171. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    “Frisky? Could you please elaborate?”

    :)

    It’s a cute word. It’s something you might see a little puppy do. They get frisky sometimes. So sometimes you might be a little more excitable than others. That’s all.

  172. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    All I want is “honest” conversation, seriously.

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    J Al – all someone has to do is email Chad. Though unfortunately you know that the monster will just reappear in another form…

  174. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    nick in sf-

    i really see no value in discussing baseball with you.

  175. blake May 16th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Comet,

    Very sorry for your loss….my condolences

  176. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    randy, when was the last time you had a discussion?

  177. GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    comet May 16th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
    Hi GB and Luis:

    the Sky Dome is one of the worst places to watch a ballgame. The seating is bad, they have really load annoying music blaring all over the place and the fans are a bunch of drunks.

    GB I Visqual could help Nunez who I think will be a major leaguer with someone if not the Yankees. He could also help our other infielders as well defensively and could likely teach bat control as well.

    Things up here are a little rough. We lost a very dear close friend to lung cancer today. She was 59.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Comet, sorry to hear about your friend. My condolences to you and your friend’s family. That is no way for anybody to go. It’s never painless and never quick.

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    but I think it’s just mick’s personality to tell it like it is
    ///

    wouldn’t he have to know what it is, first? NM. He’s not worth discussing.

  179. G. Love May 16th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    This is not a great Yankee team yet. They are scuffling and hovering around .500. A lot of these guys historically play better when the weather warms up so you have to hope they pull their sprint mode together.

    This team will never learn how if they are consistent from April, it makes September a lot easier.

    It’s not a fun team to watch right now. You either get home run derby or you get the dead bat society where everyone looks like they have a hot date to get to after the game.

    As for the pitching there are no sure things right now. Everyone is up in the air from start to start. No one is in a groove.

    The best thing about the team is the bullpen.

    Looking around the league I don’t see where a solution is coming from. This is the team for the remainder of the long term deals and no trade clauses.

    It is what it is. The past 2 games have been so ugly it’s tough to even be hopeful right now.

    But, they’ll win a few more, keep it around/above .500 and hopefully wake up one day and realize that making 20 something million a year to play baseball comes with some responsibilities night in/night out.

    I’ve never seen a team just lie down together like these guys do offensively. It’s amazing how nobody gets hot on their own other than Jeter who is not going to hit .400 for the season.

    This team is going to test the fan’s patience since they are Jeckyll and Hyde.

  180. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    SJ44 too often had a condescending attitude and if you made a counterpoint that was too good, he would just ignore you and stick his nose in the air. Kind of like what a few posters are doing here and now.

    And while losing Mo was of course significant, saying the season is over is extreme, and is a bad attitude. And that’s not the only ridiculous statement he has made, people have been posting them on this board for weeks.

  181. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    everybody wants honest conversation, in fact i think we crave it, there is so little in our society.
    you can get it here on the internet, unbelievable but true.
    some are scared, i know…don’t know what it is having never seen it.
    my granma used to say “try it you’ll like it.”

  182. Pat M. May 16th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Comet……Thoughts and prayers, very sorry for your loss……..Tough place here tonight….Nick, Ritters went out today ……

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    J Al – all someone has to do is email Chad. Though unfortunately you know that the monster will just reappear in another form…
    ///

    Been there, done that… He was very responsive, and zapped the offender (who did, indeed, return with another username).

    Chad is busy trying to cover a pro team. Lohud needs a babysitter, because people here cannot bring themselves to treat their fellow posters with respect or civility.

  184. TheBigOut May 16th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Why is everyone so judgementsl and critical of each other? It is very immature. I started eading this thread to discuss the MIA yanks and instead its just a bunch of name calling and accusatory posts accusing people about the very same thing theyre guilty of doing…..

    Man just give it a rest!

  185. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    wouldn’t he have to know what it is, first? NM. He’s not worth discussing.
    ================
    hahaha… not nice.

  186. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    The Montero crusade is looking more like Monty Python’s search for the Holy Grail.

    My favorite scene:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg

  187. Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    yankee 221 May 16th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
    Marshall cannot miss any bats despite his velocity.

    Nik Turley and Matt Tracy are average lefties like Jeremey Bleich

    PP said they were encouraged by Betances yesterday as well

    ********

    Yes – yes – give into unoriginal thought – even though Marshall pitches effectively with pitching deep into games – getting outs – and still managing to strike out 114 in 140 innings last season – and – then 24 n 41 innings this year – not including tonight – yes yes – b/c goodness knows that is the end of him

    Yes – yes – give in to Matt Tracy being average – - -even though your own PP made a nice comparison to Andy Pettitte – - yes yes

  188. TheBigOut May 16th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Back to beisbol

    So was jeter just given a rest tonight ? Why didnt they just DH him? I missed most of the game and cant say i regret it. Just curious about jeter… Anyone?

  189. GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    And total BS that no one comments on Marshall’s nice performance tonight –

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You’re about 9 hours late. That was talked through during the game this afternoon. You’re nothing more than a one-trick pony that went lame with the first post you made.

  190. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    28 rings…try yin and yang, not ying…

  191. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    SJ44 too often had a condescending attitude and if you made a counterpoint that was too good, he would just ignore you and stick his nose in the air.
    ===================================
    there ya go

  192. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Trish

    J ALfred is 100% correct about Luis. He’s been getting enjoyment out of harassing him. I’ve seen it before, it’s obvious.

  193. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    “i really see no value in discussing baseball with you.”

    But you see plenty of value in tweaking me — even when there’s no subtance behind it — and firing up the snark.

    Obviously, when you said I misremember conversations you weren’t being serious, as you have zero examples of it ever happening, you were just tweaking me. So my asking for examples when I know you can’t think of any was just tweaking you back.

    And then you harumph and see no value in discussing baseball with me. I have seen this script before.

  194. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    28 rings…try yin and yang, not ying…Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    =====================

    He might be right, he’s the Y guy

  195. luis May 16th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    so does anyone have any ideas about yankee starters?

    they are not doing so well?

    how does a whole staff go bad?

    ================================

    Randy,

    I am not a bit concerned about our rotation. CC is starting to get in his rhythm, last night start notwithstanding. Hughes has been doing better on a consistent basis, still needs to work on his CB, but his CU has improved exponentially and his FB is currently so good that in turn makes the rest of his offerings better.

    In the case of Kuroda, I do think that Kuroda has the repertoire and pitching saavy to pitch in the AL east. He is going to give you innings, i don’t think tonight’s start should be considered as a red flag.

    About Nova, he is had three bad starts. Two of them that could be attributed to weather ( the one on April 27th for sure, two nights ago i am not so sure because he was having trouble to keep the ball down on his FB). I do like him despite those bad starts.

    Pettitte, i am not worried at all. He showed that he has stuff equivalent to the one he had in 2010. A bit rusty?, you bet. But he will be alright. My concern was more directed at if he had enough left to pitch at this level and he clearly has it.

    My concern is more directed to the offense. Too little speed, too many one dimensional hitters with little or no situational hitting tools. Tonight was a perfect example.

  196. RMS May 16th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    So was jeter just given a rest tonight ?

    ——————————————————————————–
    Yes.

  197. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    And then you harumph and see no value in discussing baseball with me. I have seen this script before.
    =================================
    jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    SJ44 too often had a condescending attitude and if you made a counterpoint that was too good, he would just ignore you and stick his nose in the air.
    ====================================
    jack squat said it best…

  198. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    hahaha… not nice.
    ///

    You reap what you sow, friend.

  199. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    They are obviously better than they showed tonight, and can be pretty good overall, but this team is a snoozefest.

  200. Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
    Talk about tempting karma. Wow.
    ///

    This is why this site requires a moderator.

    Half the stuff that comes off in here would not be tolerated on other sites. StonedAgain, for example would have been phaser gunned on River Avenue and Pinstripes Plus the first time he posted his “wax his poetics” BS.

    *********

    Nice – go crying off to teacher – - – - -believe me – I wish there was a moderator back on January 13 to delete half of your initial outrage – which of course – is what started all of this – again – be careful with the whining and declarations of such certainty of generational greatness – for it can create this kind of Frankenstein counter-reaction – - – -

    And don’t worry – I think much of what you predict about Montero is BS – especially how it is insulting to say he might have a career like Carlos Lee – don’t get so full of yourself and place that egotism in predicting with certainty what Montero will do – you should have qualified yourself with that he might do it but that there is a risk he may not – but too late for that you are not going to change – - – - -

  201. Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    You reap what you sow, friend.

    ********

    How ironic – - – - and then you cry off for a moderator – - – -

  202. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    You reap what you sow, friend.
    ===================
    now we are friends?

  203. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Pat M, thanks, I’ll let you know when they arrive.

  204. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    J ALfred is 100% correct about Luis. He’s been getting enjoyment out of harassing him.
    ========================
    Wrong again.
    Luis and I are fine.

  205. Against All Odds May 16th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Things up here are a little rough. We lost a very dear close friend to lung cancer today. She was 59.

    ———————

    Sorry to hear about that. God Bless your friend.

  206. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    luis,

    Good post, I agree with pretty much all of it. Throw in, too, that David Phelps is there to pick up any lag in the rotation, and behind him is DJ Mitchell, and if things really get dicey, we can turn to Warren (the least ML broken in of the 3). You haven’t even touched Banuelos and Betances, which is a good thing. They’re free to build innings, etc.

    About the Vato and his sinker in the rain, although it makes the ball denser, he could have lost his sinker grip. He looked rather agitated on the mound, like he was uncomfortable. This is before getting hit in the foot and then running awkwardly.

  207. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Well I think I will take my leave. Between my water expansion tank blowing last night at 3:30 a.m (thank God I was still up to hear it happen) and flooding my laundry room and part of my finished room downstairs and then having the fire company here and then the company that sucks up the water and dries your carpet etc., and then the plumber to put on the new expasion tank – and trying to migrate information from my desktop to my new computer in the middle of all of it – and then watching tonight’s game, I’ve had quite the day.

    Night all.

    Tomorrow will be a better day.

    :)

  208. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    comet – My condolences :(

    JAP – Yes I am very happy tonight!!

    And I’ll follow up on our previous discussion tomorrow but I think the gist of it is I think Girardi is more of a mouthpiece and you think he has a stronger influence on the construction of the team. Either way we’re still looking at a Martin/Stewart catching tandem so.. tomato, tomahto my friend lol ;)

    (To think I thought a Vtek/Saltalamawhateverthehellhisnameis was a sad catching tandem..)

  209. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    comet, I missed your post before, sorry to read about your friend.

  210. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    im a little concerned about pettitte, seattle is a terrible offense, and a little concerned about kuroda, although i said above that i think he’ll be ok but no better than ok.

    i think hughes is on the rise, cc is good and i stilll think nova’s going to be the nova we saw last year.

    im concerned about the offense, too, especially about whether arod can still drive in runs and whether tex can hit to all fields from the LH side, but im not like depressed about it. i think our offense will be good but it needs to be better than good.

    i think this team needs some young energy and enthusiasm like it got when they brought up cano and melky. i dont know where that is going to come from, but this team looks pretty tired and bored right now and there is basically no flexibility in the roster.

    but i still thing we’ll make the PS. beyond that, im concerned.

  211. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    TheBigOut May 16th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
    Back to beisbol

    So was jeter just given a rest tonight ? Why didnt they just DH him? I missed most of the game and cant say i regret it. Just curious about jeter… Anyone?

    I think so. He was slumping a little. He’s older and a breather now and then can help.

    DH’ing is not total rest. They still have to hit, prepare to hit, run the bases if they get on, do all the warmups before the game, they don’t really get a mental break, etc. Joe should give guys more full days or rest a little more often imo.

  212. Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    And total BS that no one comments on Marshall’s nice performance tonight –

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You’re about 9 hours late. That was talked through during the game this afternoon. You’re nothing more than a one-trick pony that went lame with the first post you made.

    **********

    How could they talk about this afternoon WHEN HAD NOT EVEN PITCHED YET TODAY????? What are you talking about???? Are you confusing D.J. Mitchell with Bret Marshall? What is going on here fan boys???? What is this?? D.J. Mitchell pitched this afternoon I believe – but Marshall pitched this evening – I mean come on – I was just kind of joking before – you guys really are not paying attention to Bret Marshall – I am concerned now that you fan boys are just quickly glancing over milb stats and Pinestripes Plus articles and rushing here to post comments – = – - – talk about one trick ponies – I am concerned now – I mean to not know the difference b/w a D.J. Mitchell and a Marshall – - – I have take a break – I cannot believe this is actually happening – I was just joking a little – but – you fan boys – it almost as if you guys are just a bunch of ordinary people sitting behind a computer interacting with other individuals – - – -I thought you guys had the insight of being able to predict generational greatness and know the difference of when D.J. Mitchell pitches for Scranton and Marshall pitches at night for Trenton – - – -oh fake Yankees prospect fan boys – I need to step away – - – -my work is done for now – - – -

  213. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Shame, making a rare night appearance? The Devil must have made you do it! ;)

  214. luis May 16th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 16th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    “Frisky? Could you please elaborate?”

    :)

    It’s a cute word. It’s something you might see a little puppy do. They get frisky sometimes. So sometimes you might be a little more excitable than others. That’s all.

    ==============================

    Ahh!! :D Maybe you are right, but i don’t like unfair comments, at least when i think they are unfair. I very seldom get snarky, but some people sometimes get what they deserve.

  215. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Nice – go crying off to teacher
    ///

    Hey dude, you keep quoting Pinstripes Plus (although you keep spelling it wrong, so there’s that). I actually post there all the time. You? You have never posted there, because if you did your a** would get tossed so fast your head would spin.

    Cryin? I’m laughing at you and your cry for attention. I don’t read anything you say, I only crack up when I see “wax your poetics”, which is your lone contribution to this site. Granted, it’s funny as hell, but not because you intended it to be – but because you screwed up the expression so bad, it’s the joke that keeps on giving.

  216. G. Love May 16th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    I actually think Arod is probably the best option for #2 hitter on this team right now. Put Grandy in a position to drive in runs and let Arod rope singles till the cows come home.

    Girardi won’t do anything though. He’ll say, “It’s early. These things work themselves out. Look there’s a butterfly! Pretty!”

  217. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    Big Out, Jeter was given a rest, probably a little nicked up, I am guessing. Looked kind of fatigued when I saw him play at the Stadium. Plus Girardi probably figured best time to give him a rest would be against a RH sinkerballer and get him off the turf in Toronto for one of these two games.

  218. randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    luis-

    yanks are third in runs scored.

    11th in starter era

    i think starting pitching is a bit more of a problem right now.

    if i were running the yankees i’d be having a pretty serious talk with the pitching coach telling him to step it up.

  219. Tar May 16th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    I’m out as well. Good night Yankee fans.

    Sorry for my part in bringing BS to the blog.

  220. yankee 221 May 16th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    They are obviously better than they showed tonight, and can be pretty good overall, but this team is a snoozefest.

    ———-

    Yep.

    I suppose for people who solely care about making the playoffs and winning the 95 games, this journey is par for the course. That has become boring now because we know they’re going to be there even with all their issues.

    There is no compelling reason to watch the team. There is something to be said for watching either young players develop or big time veterans.

    I envy teams like the Nationals and Rangers.

  221. Pat M. May 16th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Nick in SF…….I loaded up big on The Lakers tonight ( + 8 & 380.00 moneyline )……

  222. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    fem – Yep.. actually, I saw this on a Devils blog and thought of you guys so I thought I’d drop in..

    “The Devils win like the New York Yankees they get the results in the end but they take us fans on a ride through hell to get there

    Posted by Dan on 05/16 at 10:23 PM”

  223. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    # Shame Spencer May 16th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    comet – My condolences :(

    JAP – Yes I am very happy tonight!!

    And I’ll follow up on our previous discussion tomorrow but I think the gist of it is I think Girardi is more of a mouthpiece and you think he has a stronger influence on the construction of the team. Either way we’re still looking at a Martin/Stewart catching tandem so.. tomato, tomahto my friend lol ;)

    (To think I thought a Vtek/Saltalamawhateverthehellhisnameis was a sad catching tandem..)
    ///

    Congrats, girl :D.

    I did answer your last post, but I guess you’d gone. Pleasure, to continue discussion.

  224. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    # Tar May 16th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    I’m out as well. Good night Yankee fans.

    Sorry for my part in bringing BS to the blog.
    ///
    Tar!! Your “BS” is quality “BS”! ;).

    Have a good one!

  225. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    I maintain that only 2 yankees will finish the year with a .280 BA or above.

    Melky Cabrera is perfect for this lineup and make it more circular.

    I say go ahead and trade for him in-season. That would be a shocker. It would inject life into the fan base, the team and prove that Cashman can correct his mistakes. Melky could hit second and Granderson could be put in an RBI position. Swisher and Granderson should hit before Cano.

    Jeter
    Melky
    Arod
    Cano
    Swisher
    Granderson
    Tex
    Ibanez
    Gardner

  226. G. Love May 16th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    yankee 221 – I disagree. What’s boring, for me, with this team is when they lose they lose spectacularly. They show no life. No fight. Outside of the Saturday in Boston, we haven’t seen this team play with that kind of fire again.

    It’s boring watching highly paid guys go through the motions.

    It’s not boring watching them compete.

    That’s what is making this current group a snoozefest.

    It starts with the manager who tells anyone who’ll listen it’s a long season, la la la…every time he’s asked a question about poor performance. Nothing is every troubling until it’s too late and the guys in the locker seem to be sleepwalking through the season relying on the fact that they’ll have their 90 something wins ans playoff spot if they just show up enough.

    The team played with a sense of urgency in Boston that weekend. Since then, they’ve been asleep at the wheel just going through the motions like they have all year to kick it up a notch.

  227. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    oh…the mutual admiration society….

  228. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    I actually don’t think I can ever find the Yankees boring.. if I did I don’t think I could spend so much time here. ;)

    NHL hockey just has a hold on me right now lol.. doesn’t really compare to early May baseball games. That being said, in October the tables are turned. The Yankees will start to get exciting when we’re in the middle of hunting for a playoff spot. It could be sooner rather than later if we don’t kick it up a notch pretty soon. Things are likely to stay pretty tight in the East for a while IMO..

  229. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    G. Love May 16th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
    I actually think Arod is probably the best option for #2 hitter on this team right now. Put Grandy in a position to drive in runs and let Arod rope singles till the cows come home.

    Girardi won’t do anything though. He’ll say, “It’s early. These things work themselves out. Look there’s a butterfly! Pretty!”

    It appears that Girardi has Cano/Arod/Teixeira as the 3/4/5 hitters carved in granite. Everyone paying attention should know by now how he is about these things. He is just stubborn and does not have mental flexibility.

  230. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    edit:

    Swish and Grandy should hit before TEX

  231. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    to be honest, i tend to switch over to the mets during commercials and lately i find myself paying more attention to that team of overachieving nobodies than the snoozy yankees. this will change as the year goes on but the yankees are pretty boring right now.

  232. luis May 16th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    luis,

    Good post, I agree with pretty much all of it. Throw in, too, that David Phelps is there to pick up any lag in the rotation, and behind him is DJ Mitchell, and if things really get dicey, we can turn to Warren (the least ML broken in of the 3). You haven’t even touched Banuelos and Betances, which is a good thing. They’re free to build innings, etc.

    About the Vato and his sinker in the rain, although it makes the ball denser, he could have lost his sinker grip. He looked rather agitated on the mound, like he was uncomfortable. This is before getting hit in the foot and then running awkwardly.

    ==================================

    :D I didn’t want to get in to the soooooo much depth that we have that it is ridiculous meme! But agree on the points you bring up.

    About Vato, Yeah, but the previous weather start he had the sinker for most of the game, he lost the command on the CB and slider and had to rely more on the FB and that’s when he got hammered, but now that i am writing this his FB stayed up as well.

  233. mick May 16th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    …the poor victims who have admitted to instigating.

  234. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    tex batted behind cano first game in baltimore. some granite is harder than other granite.

  235. luis May 16th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Tar,

    Good night bro!! and thanks as well ;)

  236. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Pat M, I hope you win the +8 at least.

  237. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
    I maintain that only 2 yankees will finish the year with a .280 BA or above.

    Melky Cabrera is perfect for this lineup and make it more circular.

    I say go ahead and trade for him in-season. That would be a shocker. It would inject life into the fan base, the team and prove that Cashman can correct his mistakes. Melky could hit second and Granderson could be put in an RBI position. Swisher and Granderson should hit before Cano.

    Jeter
    Melky
    Arod
    Cano
    Swisher
    Granderson
    Tex
    Ibanez
    Gardner

    I think there may be a lot of passed balls and catcher errors… and the pitchers are gonna be pissed…

  238. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Melky is underestimated as a BUC – and Cashman should be fired for it.

  239. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    yeah, melky will save us. and san fran has so many bats they will let him go for a song.

  240. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Have to stop excusing pitchers because of weather. The Yankees are a northeast team in a northeast division, they will play a fair number of games in inclement weather. Anyone pitching for the Yankees has to be able to pitch in less than comfortable weather.

  241. GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
    GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    Stoneburner May 16th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    And total BS that no one comments on Marshall’s nice performance tonight –

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You’re about 9 hours late. That was talked through during the game this afternoon. You’re nothing more than a one-trick pony that went lame with the first post you made.

    **********

    How could they talk about this afternoon WHEN HAD NOT EVEN PITCHED YET TODAY????? What are you talking about???? Are you confusing D.J. Mitchell with Bret Marshall? What is going on here fan

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    This afternoon, this morning, this evening? What’s the difference? All four games were tracked and updated on here. Go play your stupid assed games and lame cliches someplace else. None of them make sense anyway.

  242. luis May 16th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    randy l. May 16th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    luis-

    yanks are third in runs scored.

    11th in starter era

    i think starting pitching is a bit more of a problem right now.

    if i were running the yankees i’d be having a pretty serious talk with the pitching coach telling him to step it up.

    ================================

    Randy,

    I think it is too early to be placing blames here. I would say that if things keep the way they are by the AS break, then you may have a point. But i understand where you are coming from.

  243. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Melky has already told first the Royals and now the Giants that he, unlike Franceour, will declare free agency. SF has no choice but to trade him for Eduardo Nunez and filler.

  244. jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
    tex batted behind cano first game in baltimore. some granite is harder than other granite.

    I meant those 3 are in some order 3-5.

  245. Abomb82 May 16th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    to be honest, i tend to switch over to the mets during commercials and lately i find myself paying more attention to that team of overachieving nobodies than the snoozy yankees. this will change as the year goes on but the yankees are pretty boring right now.

    ————

    Haha, glad I’m not the only one who did that. Maybe because the Mets suck I don’t mind watching them play well… but it is fun watching them. Lots of homegrown kids learning on the job, playing their tail off every night. I wish we had a team like that.

    This is by far the most boring team in the Jeter era. Even during the 08 season, we got to see Joba as a starter and guys like Robertson, Coke, and Gardner emerge.

  246. comet May 16th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Blake, Pat M, Nick and Shame, thank you, appreciated.
    Good night all. Tomorrow will be a better day.

    Shame I am with you in hoping the Devils win. I like Marty Brodeur.

  247. G. Love May 16th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Bret,

    Maybe can you stop being Rain Man about Melky every day? It’s really getting tiring to read in here. Between the Montero stuff which everyone needs to start to move on from now and you talking about Melky 12 times a day it’s getting tough to even want to respond to people.

    You can post what you want, but it’s like you’re talking to yourself about it again and again and again. I know you much more to offer this place than Melky 24/7.

    San Francisco is already negotiating with him for a long term deal. He’s not going to be a Yankee.

  248. luis May 16th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    jacksquat May 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Have to stop excusing pitchers because of weather. The Yankees are a northeast team in a northeast division, they will play a fair number of games in inclement weather. Anyone pitching for the Yankees has to be able to pitch in less than comfortable weather.

    ================================

    Not excusing them, just trying to make sense of what has happened.

  249. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Bret the Hitman, I’m sorry, but I don’t think the Giants will be trading Melky. They kind of like him.

  250. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    “I meant those 3 are in some order 3-5.”

    …flexible granite…

  251. luis May 16th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Good night Comet, nice to see you around. And again my condolences

  252. Nick in SF May 16th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    But when Melky goes to bed, does he dream of singing this song?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHOeTShtxSg

  253. Tabbert May 16th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    right when you think that things might finally be start to click, this team just strings together bad game after bad game. Even some of the bad teams out there, have gone on 4-5 game winning streaks. This team has yet to go on any such winning streak.

    If we really aren’t going to add payroll, things might get ugly for a couple years.

    Next year:
    Our lineup will be the exact same, but even older.
    Our rotation will be cc,nova, Hughes, ?, ?
    Same bullpen
    most likely a good bench likes always.

    Year after next:
    Same Lineup, EVEN OLDER
    Rotation: CC, Nova, Hughes, ?, ?
    Bullpen loses soriano, mariano
    Most likely another good bench

    As you can see, we will be getting older, and older, while losing key pieces to the roster.

    This team really needs to land hamels, or hamilton, if they want this core to win another title. If not, we better get use to getting a little bit worse for the next few years.

  254. Ys Guy May 16th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    melky’s rockin the bench tonight vs. garcia.

  255. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Melky better not be negotiating with the Giants. I do not want to get stuck with Swisher in RF.

  256. Nick in SF May 17th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Bret, did you see the article I posted yesterday?

  257. GreenBeret7 May 17th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    This is to consol Bret. He’s such a lonely boy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32bVUFshSAo

  258. Bret The Hitman May 17th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    No Nick, can you repost it?

    G. Love,

    Most of my Melky posts are edited Montero posts that appeared previously on the page. I pull out Montero’s name and substitute Melky’s. So I am not the Rain Man exactly but more of an echo chamber for the rain man. It’s hard for me to contribute anything more in this environment.

  259. Bo knows May 17th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Just a solid approach by the Yankees tonight.… let’s try to pull the ball against a sinkerballer.

    I seemed like every out was a groundout to the pull side tonight Just a horrendous approach at the plate. I’m not against pulling the ball but there are just too many hitters rolling over on pitches on the outside corner in neutral or hitter counts. How did they manage two hits

    It must hurt to be so stupid.

    I’d watch an inning, go have a shot to kill the bad taste, come back for an inning – rinse and repeat. Gah

    A shame to treat 12 year old Appleton’s that way.

  260. Nick in SF May 17th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Actually, forget about yesteday’s article, here’s one from today:

    “Melky Cabrera said Tuesday that he might be open to midseason contract-extension talks. Just as significant, he said in a genuine tone that he has enjoyed his short time with the Giants.

    “I like it here. I love it here,” Cabrera said with a big smile. “Everybody is good. It’s a good town. I love it.”

    Cabrera said those words in English when he thought a reporter was asking generally if he wants to return to San Francisco next year. Then, with translation help from Angel Pagan, Cabrera was asked specifically if he would be interested in midseason-extension talks aimed at signing him before free agency.

    General manager Brian Sabean told The Chronicle’s Gwen Knapp that he might explore such talks.

    “I’m open for whatever,” Cabrera said in Spanish through Pagan. “Right now, I’m focused on doing the best I can for the team. If it happens, it happens.”

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....1OIG9G.DTL

  261. Bret The Hitman May 17th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Disgusting.

  262. yankee 221 May 17th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Why would Melky want to stay in SF when he can come back to NY and his buddy Cano?

    Yanks need to reach out to his agent and let them know their interest

    Signing Melky who is just hitting his prime and provides the high-average hitting we need, is a far better alternative than signing Granderson to a $120 million dollar deal through his mid/late 30s or Swisher for his streakiness and poor postseason performance.

    Remember Melky’s HR in 2007 off Roberto Hernandez in Cleveland? None of our other stars did squat against him yet Melky, in his typical Melky AB didn’t try to do too much, got a pitch, and drove it. It is funny, but true… he would have the best approach at the plate of any of our hitters right now.

  263. G. Love May 17th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    GB7 one ups Nick on the youtube linking.

    However, I think this is much more appropriate for Bret’s current Melky state.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;ob=av3n

  264. yankee 221 May 17th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    AndrewMarchand Tex: Drabek was like Halladay

    LOL. Tex really has become pathetic

  265. GreenBeret7 May 17th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Nick in SF May 17th, 2012 at 12:04 am
    Actually, forget about yesteday’s article, here’s one from today:

    “Melky Cabrera said Tuesday that he might be open to midseason contract-extension talks. Just as significant, he said in a genuine tone that he has enjoyed his short time with the Giants.

    “I like it here. I love it here,” Cabrera said with a big smile. “Everybody is good. It’s a good town. I love it.”

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Not only that, but, he can hang around the Tender Loin or up on Broadway. Is Big al’s or Finnochio’s still around up there?

  266. Bret The Hitman May 17th, 2012 at 12:08 am

    yankee 221 May 17th, 2012 at 12:05 am
    Why would Melky want to stay in SF when he can come back to NY and his buddy Cano?

    Yanks need to reach out to his agent and let them know their interest

    Signing Melky who is just hitting his prime and provides the high-average hitting we need, is a far better alternative than signing Granderson to a $120 million dollar deal through his mid/late 30s or Swisher for his streakiness and poor postseason performance.

    Remember Melky’s HR in 2007 off Roberto Hernandez in Cleveland? None of our other stars did squat against him yet Melky, in his typical Melky AB didn’t try to do too much, got a pitch, and drove it. It is funny, but true… he would have the best approach at the plate of any of our hitters right now.

    **********

    This post is pure gold. The resurrection is underway!

  267. G. Love May 17th, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Bret,

    I didn’t realize that. I just can’t read another Melky post. I’m over the Montero thing too. We lost the deal, talking about him isn’t bringing him back.

  268. GreenBeret7 May 17th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    That picture at the top of Kuroda screams for a caption, like: “I’m so pissed, I could puke up sushi.”

  269. jacksquat May 17th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    AndrewMarchand Tex: Drabek was like Halladay

    No Tex, you are like Carlos Pena, except he has a much better OBP.

  270. luis May 17th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    Good night everyone. have a good one.

  271. Bo knows May 17th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Year after next:
    Same Lineup, EVEN OLDER
    Rotation: CC, Nova, Hughes, ?, ?
    Bullpen loses soriano, mariano
    Most likely another good bench

    As you can see, we will be getting older, and older, while losing key pieces to the roster.

    This team really needs to land hamels, or hamilton, if they want this core to win another title. If not, we better get use to getting a little bit worse for the next few years.

    ——————-

    Stuck in an older slower mode. The infield is cast in iron. The OF has the most potential but have bought into the “I hit pull HRs” The only possible upgrade is at C and one hitter doesn’t change the team mindset.

    Ya think it’s boring now – Wait till it gets ugly.

  272. Tabbert May 17th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    We need a .300 hitter ( melky), a new catcher ( miguel montero) and another starter.

    As much a i would love hamels, if we could get melky to replace swish, montero to replace martin, resign a strong bench, and pick up a solid veteran starter, we should be just fine.

    Jeter
    Grandy
    Arod
    Cano
    Tex
    miguel montero
    melky
    Veteran DH ( jones/ibanez type)
    Gardy

    CC, Nova, Hughes, Veteran arm, banuelos.

    maybe pineda comes back earlier than expected.

  273. GreenBeret7 May 17th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    And Teixeira’s still blowing Pujols out of the water. Fielder’s not exactly in the running for MVP, either. Won’t even count his 4 errors against him.

  274. Nick in SF May 17th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    I don’t really go to those Broadway places, so I’m not sure which ones are still around.

    I wonder if Melky has found anyplace with Dominican food.

  275. luis May 17th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Before i go….Anyone knows if MTU is ok?…I haven’t seen him in a while

  276. Bret The Hitman May 17th, 2012 at 12:16 am

    G. Love,

    By the time Montero is Austin-Jackson-good, Pineda may be healed and hurling. That’s my hope. For now it looks like a loss but it’s only a permanent loss if you think Pineda’s career is over. I feel it is just beginning. I think he can come back in a big way in a year or two. But I want them to sign a legit #2 in the meantime. Plan B is testing my patience. Who knew Cliff Lee spurning us would result in KURODA and damaged goods. Some plan. End it I say. Sign Hamels or Greinke, A. Sanchez at the very minimum.

  277. yankee 221 May 17th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Brandon McCarthy would be a low budget, under the radar pick up

  278. Bret The Hitman May 17th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Tabbert May 17th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    We need a .300 hitter ( melky), a new catcher ( miguel montero) and another starter.

    As much a i would love hamels, if we could get melky to replace swish, montero to replace martin, resign a strong bench, and pick up a solid veteran starter, we should be just fine.

    ***********

    I agree with all of this except I hope the veteran starter is better than Kuroda. Maybe Andy will come back.

  279. luis May 17th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Randy if you are still around, i have to add that the way they handled Pineda on that last start wasn’t the best course of action. So now that think about it, you may have a point on Rothschild. He should have known that something was wrong before we did.

  280. jacksquat May 17th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Saying Teixeira is better than Pujols is like saying you’d rather be puched in the face than kicked in the balls.

  281. randy l. May 17th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    “I think it is too early to be placing blames here. I would say that if things keep the way they are by the AS break, then you may have a point. But i understand where you are coming from.”

    luis-

    i wouldn’t fire him. i’d say pick it up larry .

    if he said it wasn’t his fault i’d say why are you here then?

    of course pitching coaches make a difference.

    it’s no different than in any business. rothschild is in charge of pitching. it’s his job to keep it tuned up.

    he needs to step it up and get each pitcher at his best.

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