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Postgame notes: Teixeira could get a day off soon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on May 17, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When the Yankees scored tonight, they did it on a Robinson Cano double that scored Curtis Granderson from first base. Their next two at-bats were their first opportunities with a runner in scoring position.

Mark Teixeira struck out and Raul Ibanez grounded to second.

That’s how it began; another night of the same old story. The Yankees went 0-for-8 with runners in scoring position, and they’ve gone 3-for-41 in their past five games. No surprise that four of them have been losses.

“I just think it’s going to happen,” Joe Girardi said. “I think, ‘This is the time it’s going to happen. This is the one hit we’re going to get.’”

That hit never came tonight, and when the Yankees didn’t get a runner on base in any of the final three innings, their scoring opportunities had come and gone.

Three of those RISP at-bats belonged to Teixeira, who for the first time sounded like he might see some sense in taking a day off to try to get over this cough that had him hacking on the field tonight. He flied out to leave runners at first and second in the third inning, then he flied to shallow left to do the same thing in the fifth.

“If you could guarantee me that (taking a day off) would make me feel better, I’d love that guarantee,” Teixeira said. “I just don’t know if it’s going to help, so we’ll see. I’ll probably talk to Joe a little bit and we’ll see if maybe it makes sense. I want to be out there for my team. I’ve been swinging the bat good the last few days, which is good. You never want get out of the lineup if you’re swinging it good, and defensively, I can always contribute. You never know if it’s going to help or not.”

It’s been hard to notice, but despite the cough, Teixeira came into this game hitting .348/.400/.565 in his past six games. He’s been taking a lot of the heat for the Yankees struggles, but he’s actually been hitting pretty well during this slide.

“Tex seems to be the focus today,” Girardi said. “We have a lot of guys who are hitting around .200 with guys in scoring position, just not Tex. As a team, we’re not collectively getting it done, and we need to get better.”

• Phil Hughes had only one pitch really working today. It was his fastball, and that’s why he threw so many of them, especially early in the game. He still went 5.1 innings, allowing two runs on seven hits while continuously pitching out of jams. “Sometimes you can learn more about a guy when he doesn’t have his good stuff than when he does,” Girardi said. “How he can still go out there and compete, and that’s what he did today.”

• In the third inning, Hughes fell behind 3-0 to Jose Bautista, then drew the count even. He’d thrown Bautista a ton of fastballs — six in the first inning, and four of his past five pitches in this at-bat — so he decided to throw a cutter. That’s the pitch Bautista hit for a two-run homer. “I felt like he had seen a lot of fastballs, and that would be a good pitch,” Hughes said. “But it was spinning over the plate, wasn’t down and away where I would have liked to have it. Looking back, that was the costly mistake. … I threw a 3-2 curveball his third at-bat that I got a strikeout on, so maybe that would have been the better sequence. Hindsight.”

• Hughes has pitched into the sixth inning in four straight starts, something he did only once in his first four starts. This month he’s cut his ERA from 7.88 to 5.23. His ERA in four May starts 3.55.

• Girardi on the idea of giving Teixeira a day off: “We’ve talked about it, and I’ll continue to discuss it with him and we’ll see what happens.”

• Brett Gardner is supposed to start swinging this weekend. He would bring a different kind of look to this offense that is right now almost entirely built around power hitters with no speed.

• Derek Jeter is now tied with Michael Bourn for the Major League lead in hits with 57. Jeter had a single today.

• The Yankees have lost eight of their past 12 games in Toronto dating back to 2010.

• Francisco Cervelli apparently told a Venezuelan reporter that he’s heard two teams are interested in trading for him but the Yankees don’t want to lose him. Makes sense considering the Yankees went out of their way this spring specifically to build catching depth with Cervelli, Chris Stewart and Craig Tatum.

• Jeter: “I’m pretty sure if you go back to most years, I’m pretty sure we’ve had this conversation before. Sometimes success is contagious, sometimes failure is contagious. To where a lot of guys get hot at one point, or a lot of guys struggle. I wish I had an answer to it, if I did I would never struggle myself. I’d tell a few people, and they’d never struggle. It’s just the game.”

• Teixeira: “We expect to score six or seven runs every game; that’s just the way our team is. The one thing about our team is we never give up. We’ve been through tough stretches before and we always fight. We always battle, always try to put together good at-bats and good games. These last few games, it just hasn’t happened for us.”

• Girardi: “Sometimes it’s a break that you get that kind of leads to the flood gates opening up. We just haven’t done it. As you said, 3-for-41 in the last five days. Offenses are going to go through that, every offense is going to go through that, but I gotta tell you, it’s no fun when you’re going through it. The guys don’t look like they’re having a lot of fun, but they’re doing their work, and they’re preparing and it’ll change.”

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204 Responses to “Postgame notes: Teixeira could get a day off soon”

  1. mick May 17th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    So is Christmas…

  2. Nick in SF May 18th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    And one more point to “it’s a wash right now” Y’s guy before I grab a late dinner:

    The Yankees aren’t just losing a year of Pineda, they’re losing a cost-controlled year of Pineda.

    Pre-injury, they traded six cost-controlled years of Montero for five cost-controlled years of Pineda (I’m leaving the crown jewel of the system, Campos, out of this argument). Now one of those years is lost; the clock ticks while Pineda is gone, as far as I know. So now it’s four years of cost-controlled question mark Pineda that they’ll be getting the use of.

    That still doesn’t make the trade an eternal and enormous loser. But it sure doesn’t help.

    I’ll check in later to see if there’s a reply and/or if I’m wrong about those facts. See ya!

  3. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    repost:

    yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:00 am
    BigOut, that is why you keep the low cost special bat. While you still play Alex and Teix over their contracts, they no longer have to function as the go-to hitters in the middle of the order because as they have aged you have brought in the younger middle of order bats and thus can accordingly drop them down in the lineup. By not doing so, you set those players–Teix and Alex up for eventual failure. If that happens when it could have been mitigated, that is not on the players, but on the Yankees for poor evaluation and poor planning.

  4. hardwired7 May 18th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    Alex Rodriguez made more spitting sunflower seeds on the bench tonight than most of us will make this entire year.

    If only underwriters were paid like professional baseball players…

  5. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Yankfem – goo post.

    It all goes back to the aging lineup and why you don’t even consider trading Jesus Montero, much less actually do it.

    Fans will direct their rage at the players when it happens. Had they just kept the bat, we could avoid what may be an ugly episode. The last thing – the last thing – I want to see, is Jeter’s final years here accompanied by a cascade of rottenness towards the team (probably from some of the same people who thought the trade was just dandy, because they’re the ones who think the lineup has stood still since ’09, and they’re the ones who are least expecting the full swoon of the decline, which hopefully can be put off another year or two, but probably not, unless they fortify the lineup; but the question always hanging in the air is: at what cost??

    Hope we get some runs for Andy tomorrow.

    G’nite.

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    *good post ;)

  7. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    nick is montero’s clock also not running whhile he’s not hitting?

  8. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 12:31 am

    nick is montero’s clock also not running whhile he’s not hitting?

    He is getting acclimated, which is an inevitability for any prospect. Pineda will have to get re-situated himself, so this is a weak argument.

  9. Pat M. May 18th, 2012 at 12:32 am

    Yanks will be in 1st place by 2-3 games when the All-Star break hits….And regardless of what my pal SJ has to say the Yanks will win the AL East…..I think I’ll call the old boy tomorrow and see why he’s so down on the 2012 NY Yankees…..

  10. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    YsGuy, Montero is active on a mlb team and providing value as a catcher. He has a better OPS than Russell Martin, and as per the previous stats I put up, from the catching position, career-wise, Montero is batting .333/.382/.580. How is Pineda equaling that from the rehab couch?

  11. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 12:36 am

    it looks to me like arod is not going to set the all time HR mark. he will likely cash in on 4 of the 6 $6M bonuses. he’ll pass willie mays who is 26 ahead of him (early next year?) and then it will likely take him another 3 years plus to catch the babe (80 from now). that would leave him 2 years on his contract to get another 41 homers to catch hammerin hank. likely not doable at his age then, but possible, and barry’s roid mark is only 7 beyond that.

    i say he only gets the 4 bonuses worth $24M and in the end his contract turns out to be 10/$288M. fortunately for him the angels baled him out already with the pujols contract which will be worse than arod’s before arod even retires.

  12. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    yeah montero’s also a negative WAR and dropping. i like the kid, but if he continues the rest of this year like he is, he and pineda will pretty much start next year even. like i said, if he wasnt on the worst team in the league he’d be in the minors right now.

  13. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    you realize 38th in ops among catchers means that pretty much every starting catcher in baseball is hitting better than him plus 5 back ups…

  14. Rich in NJ May 18th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    Why doesn’t anyone think that WAR for six weeks of the season has any meaning?

  15. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    sorry 7 back ups.

  16. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    ok ill let up now. i like montero and i think he’ll be fine. i also think pineda will be fine. but there is not more reason to think that one will do better than the other.

    it was a wash, it is a wash and it will be a wash when it’s all over.

  17. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    Ys Guy, nah he would still be in the majors; that’s how you develop kids FTR. He has nothing to learn in the minors; he just has to get used to mlb pitching and he is a quick study. Plus, he has been forced prematurely into full time catching duty. We can all hope Pineda returns healthy, but your argument isn’t based in any facts. And quoting his WAR is really reaching.

  18. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Ys Guy, it isn’t a wash right now, but we will see how it will be in the future. And hopefully Pineda comes back healthy. Good night.

  19. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    your argument has no fact either. there is nothint to say jesus will live up to his potential any more than there is that pineda will. that’s exactly my point. i like both of them.

  20. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    i disagree strongly there, he would be in the minors on a contender. the way he is hitting they couldnt keep running him out there, and having him sit on the bench would be the worst thing, so a contender would sent him down so he could catch every day and try to get his hitting stroke back with the hope of calling him back up.

  21. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    He is not 38th in catcher OPS; his catcher OPS, meaning his OPS when he has caught only is .975 and 173 OPS+

  22. Rich in NJ May 18th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    This is absurd. GN

  23. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:58 am

    Ys Guy, I think you are selectively picking stats and sss to push an agenda. I have no desire to debate this except to correct your broad generalizations about Montero which seem to be not very objective based on what you have been posting. I agree that no one knows what the future holds. Good night.

  24. Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 1:07 am

    you people chased alot of good posters off this blog with your insistence on ‘generational hitter’ ‘major league ready’ perenial all star’ orthodoxy about montero.

    now you’re going to have to deal with the reality that comes with a propsect trying to make it in the majors, and you deserve to have it stuck in your face every day he sucks, which by all of your projections was impossible. well he sucks.

    i think he’s going to be very good. i think pineda will be too.

    but im just repaying you for what you put everyone else through for months on this blog.

  25. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Ys Guy, “you people?” Are you referring to me? I have done none of the above things. If you are angry, please don’t direct it at a player or at me. Thanks.

  26. luis May 18th, 2012 at 1:20 am

    Ys Guy,

    I am sorry to cut in….But you need to grow up, and stop the angry rhetoric…Nobody chased anyone out of the blog…They may have chosen to stay on the side lines and in any case is their loss…You are not repaying us, you are making a fool of yourself by those kind of statements…Do you want to argue about the trade, fine….But don’t try to portray this as a revenge, because in the end we all have lost…We are all Yankee fans in the end.

    Think about it. Good night

  27. jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Chad Jennings May 17th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    To take Teixeira out of the lineup will mean playing either Nix, Wise, Stewart or one of the platoon outfielders (Jones or Ibanez) against a pitcher they’re not meant to face.

    So? Play Jones vs rhp or Ibanez vs lhp. Play Wise or Nix. Give Pearce a shot.

    Teixeira currently has a .669 OPS, that’s terrible. On top of that, he’s sick. He should sit.

  28. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 1:28 am

    No one pro montero chased anyone off a message board, don’t be ridiculous.

  29. jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 1:31 am

    yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:58 am
    Ys Guy, I think you are selectively picking stats and sss to push an agenda

    And cherry picking Montero’s stats when he is catching is not doing so?

  30. jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 1:36 am

    And sorry, implying that the team would be totally different with Montero on it is ridiculous. I’m not going to get on him for his stats because he is a rookie, but don’t try to imply he would be a .900 OPS guy if only he were a Yankee. I still read YF and Luis’ posts, but JAP has gone totally off the deep end. Seek help man.

  31. UnKnown May 18th, 2012 at 1:45 am

    Never before have I seen such an easy decision turn in to so much drama.

    Just sit Tex my goodness, if only for a day or two. The guy is contributing absolutely nothing right now anyways. He may think that he is swinging the bat well but he is not. I watch every at bat he takes and there is not a chance that this team would be scoring any less if he was not playing for the next few days. Not much worse you can do than only 1 run a game.

    Sit him till he can breath and not continually cough or whatever. Maybe then he comes back and contributes. Like I said this offense can’t sink any worse than it is right now with Tex not in there.

  32. theREALkevin May 18th, 2012 at 1:50 am

    “There’s no lack of motivation, no lack of effort, it’s just a lack of key hits.”

    I’m sorry Chad but this is BS. There are days when this team ****ing quits. They give up. They ****ing mail it in. For the last few years for example, it seems like when this team goes to Toronto, THEY FLAT OUT DO NOT CARE. They want to get out of there ASAP. It’s a joke.

    Sure their lineup is flawed. I could go on and on. But take yesterday for example. Drabek walks a million ****ing guys per 9 innings for his career. AND THE YANKEES ARE UP THERE SWINGING AT EVERYTHING. Swisher swings 2-0, out of the zone, out. Tex swings 1-1, out of the zone, out. It’s awful. Their approach sucks half the time. That’s not on the manager? Hitting coach? Anyone? That’s not lack of talent. That’s direction, effort, and focus.

    It’s a team effort. A lot of the guys in the lineup are past their primes. Their lineup construction isn’t ideal. But to suggest that Girardi is just “along for the ride” is a JOKE. AND WRONG. He is mediocre. Do you hear anyone in baseball circles, media, anywhere saying Joe Girardi is a good manager? Is he revered among people in the game? I don’t think so. He’s crap. The team has been underperforming under his watch, I wish he would go, but who knows. There’s plenty of things I would change about this team, certain players, the roster…. And Girardi. It’s stale at the top. With him and Cash both. I wish they would shake things up.

    Alright I’m done with that rant. Hope they play better at home. Still think they have a very good shot at the playoffs for what its worth. But this team is underperforming, they mail it in sometimes, and they prob have 0 chance at winning a title this year. But I’ll still be there watching…..

  33. theREALkevin May 18th, 2012 at 1:56 am

    And by the way, people will surely laugh at this, so I’ll preface it by saying I don’t care. But everyone keeps quoting Montero’s stats this year. As if they would be EXACTLY the same had he stayed a Yankee.

    Hmm. 22 year old devastated at being traded. Dreamed of hitting home runs to the short porch for years. Being loved by Yankee fans. Is he still reeling this season? Is he emotional?

    Yankee Stadium is a much better hitter’s park than Safeco. Yankees have a better batting coach. He would have been happier. Happier players perform better. I really think Montero’s numbers would be better this season had he stayed a Yankee. I don’t know how much better, but I know they’d be better.

  34. UnKnown May 18th, 2012 at 2:03 am

    theREALkevin post one was awesome, post two not sold.

  35. jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 2:07 am

    Montero magically becomes a better hitter on the Yankees. Ok, whatever, the excuse making seems to have no limits. He could probably hit .150 and some Montero extremists would say he’d be hitting .330 for the Yankees. That way, you can never, ever be wrong.

  36. igotid88 May 18th, 2012 at 3:00 am

    Montero hit .328 for the Yankees last season in 61AB. He hit .500 at the NYS. Had a 1.483 OPS. Yea only 30 at-bats. But you could tell he liked hitting here. He was 2-2 in his only Post Season appearance but wasn’t played after that. Not even to pinch hit for Martin when there were opportunities to tie. He took a good pitch from Kuroda and slapped it over the right field wall. Those same at bats in Safeco are probably outs or maybe long singles/doubles.

  37. igotid88 May 18th, 2012 at 3:13 am

    I also find it very funny that people who are saying Montero wouldn’t have done so great here. Are the same people who had anointed Pineda our #2 before he even threw a regular season pitch for us.

  38. Purenyyankee May 18th, 2012 at 3:27 am

    The “it’s early” and “it’s only May ” comments are from clueless fans. Don’t look know but these games count too. This team is the most inconsistent in baseball. More troubling is that they are also the most selfish. These clowns won’t bunt or even try and hit the ball the other way. Stump Girardi has no clue about small ball. They are completely unwatchable.

  39. Your Worst Nightmare May 18th, 2012 at 3:57 am

    Same old stuff again. No hitting with RISP, this team is old and getting older, nothing is changing. Get used to it, we have ARod till he is 42 and Tex until he is 36.

    These guys are declining not getting better…………………A sorry state.

  40. Your Worst Nightmare May 18th, 2012 at 3:59 am

    ‘These clowns won’t bunt or even try and hit the ball the other way’.

    ================

    PureNYYankee…………yes sir, good post.

  41. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 4:54 am

    Ys Guy May 18th, 2012 at 1:07 am
    you people chased alot of good posters off this blog with your insistence on ‘generational hitter’ ‘major league ready’ perenial all star’ orthodoxy about montero.

    now you’re going to have to deal with the reality that comes with a propsect trying to make it in the majors, and you deserve to have it stuck in your face every day he sucks, which by all of your projections was impossible. well he sucks.

    i think he’s going to be very good. i think pineda will be too.

    but im just repaying you for what you put everyone else through for months on this blog.

    **********

    Thank you for your service.

  42. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 5:11 am

    Hero ball for hero worshippers. Yanks management knows how to market. Nice work guys.

  43. Your Worst Nightmare May 18th, 2012 at 5:21 am

    Mark Teixeira is a friggin joke, a fly ball machine. Yes, he plays good defense, but never hits the ball the other way (goes with the pitch) maybe he needs to talk to Jeter (seriously) Line drive base hits are few and far between. Screw his potential power numbers and his unproductive upper cut swing.

    Sit him for 2-3-4 games or until he gets healthy and starts performing like a $ 20 million dollar plus player. He is out of excuses and is just plain stinking up the place.

  44. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 5:24 am

    They need to dump Tex like they dumped AJ. And consider a buyout of Alex Rodriguez. Martin needs to quit baseball. They all suck.

  45. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 5:27 am

    Tex, Arod, Martin.

    Suck. Suck. Suck.

    And stay away from Nick Swish cheese he-man routine.

  46. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 5:29 am

    And Hughes sucks. Can’t believe we’re stuck with him another year.

  47. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 5:33 am

    And I hope Kevin Durant and his small market squad take a giant dump on the NBA for pushing their hero ball brand sport.

  48. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 5:34 am

    That one was for Joe Casale

  49. Gary May 18th, 2012 at 6:47 am

    What a stupid story line on this day off thing. If Tex is having a lingering upper respiratory thing he’d be on Meds which there has been no mention of. Having had a couple of these myself and as others have probably also seen these things can linger for months they simply need to run their course. My point is that a day off isn’t going to amount to a hill of beans. Maybe several days off would make a difference who knows? The guy has had 4 checkups, I’m sure if the doctors felt rest was the answer then they would know it. Right now no comments from any doctor in that direction.

    I also don’t see anything in his performance that shows he has a medical issue, he hasn’t lost any bat speed, he’s having his usual slow start, and he makes the plays in the field.

  50. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    If it was any of your business what medication Teixeira was on, he’d probably tell you. amazing how many people hate the players, hate the team, hate the manager, hate the GM, hayr the people on this board, hate the way the writer posts. If it’s so bad, why the Hell do you keep coming back? Just to make everyone else as miserable as you? Just STFU and go play on the Mariner’s board. You’re more suited for there. After all, they have a player that you love. And yes, the continuous BS spewed by some of you is exactly why people have left this place.

  51. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Good morning, or at least I think it is!

    Phil Hughes has given up 10 homers and is on pace to surrender 50 if he pitches 200 innings this season.

    I didn’t see the game last night, but I understand that he threw the cutter, his 4th best pitch and a pitch he’s mostly abandoned, to Bautista. In Bautista’s 3rd AB, he strikes him out on a curveball on a 3-2 count and says ” Looking back, that was the costly mistake. … I threw a 3-2 curveball his third at-bat that I got a strikeout on, so maybe that would have been the better sequence. Hindsight.”

    Was he shaking off Martin’s selections last night? Is Hughes’ main problem that he’s not smart in how he works the hitters? Is the catcher partly to blame?

    Thoughts?

  52. Against All Odds May 18th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 5:29 am

    And Hughes sucks. Can’t believe we’re stuck with him another year.

    —————————

    He hasn’t sucked the last few starts

  53. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Good morning GB-

    It’s almost unbearable during gametime on the blog with the posters[I'm being kind here] that come out of the woodwork to try and destroy the blog and the dedicated Yankee fans who for years have been on the LoHud blog.

    Maybe LoHud should close the blog to new “investors”, much like a mutual fund.

  54. blake May 18th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    No real surprise that Phil’s big mistake was a cutter……

  55. Against All Odds May 18th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 5:33 am

    And I hope Kevin Durant and his small market squad take a giant dump on the NBA for pushing their hero ball brand sport.

    —————–

    Doesn’t Durant and Westbrook play hero ball?

  56. Betsy May 18th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Phil only gave up 2 runs, so blaming him is ridiculous. He does give up a ludicrous amount of HRs, so he’s probably better off pitching his home games elsewhere.

  57. yankee21 May 18th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    YT,

    I have said it before, it appears when Hughes goes to his cutter it looks as though he is taking the pitch off, kind of a breather if you will. Bad mistake, as much as I despise Bautista if you throw him anything less than a committed pitch, he is going to hammer it. At what point does Hughes realize that the cutter is a loser pitch for him and at what point does our esteemed PC and Mgr get on his case about it? Or maybe they are who knows…

  58. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    You realize that Robin Roberts gave up over 500 homers in his career and Blyleven gave up 50 in a season, while Roberts was over 40 in a season 3 times? Of the pitchers that gave up the career homers, 8 of the top 13 are HOFers. He may not have deserved a win for giving up 2 runs, but, he didn’t deserve the loss, either.

  59. jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    The pitch that Bautista hit out was a cutter up that consequently did not cut much if at all. The thing is he threw a nice cutter I think on the 3-1 count low and on the outside part of the plate for a strike. Then I think Bautista hit a couple of loud foul balls off fastballs. Bautista is a real good fastball hitter. Phil/Martin probably wisely thought they should go away from the fastball at that point, and probably thought that since the previous cutter worked nicely they’d try that again. But his cutter is still pretty inconsistent and if he screws it up it doesn’t have to be Bautista at the plate for it to get hammered. It probably would have been a better choice to go with changeup or even curveball there. I don’t know if or when Phil was shaking off pitches.

    I would probably cut way back on the number of fastballs thrown to Bautista. He sits dead red. I’d make him hit offspeed stuff.

  60. NYYROC May 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    PH has often said he doesn’t want to get beat on his 3rd or 4th best pitch, yet he threw the cutter to Escobar for a basehit and then to Bautista, of all people, for the HR. The cutter is by far his worst pitch. He throws 1 good one for every 5 bad ones. Do not understand that choice at all.
    He was inconsistent with offspeed but did throw some nasty CBs and really good CUs to RHB later in the game that were really effective. Not really worried about him. The offense..that’s another story.

  61. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Odds-

    Was that really Bret ranting early this morning or another being occupying his body? :)

    Any thoughts on my earlier post about Hughes? If he’s evolving as a starter, should he rely more on what signs the catcher puts down and just try and hit the location? As I said, I didn’t see the game last night, so maybe he was doing that and Martin was just calling for the wrong pitch when Bautista hit the homerun off of the cutter.

  62. jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    And yes, Phil still pitched fairly well.

    I don’t know about Blyleven, but I know Roberts had a very low walk rate and a pretty good k rate. If Phil is going to give up a lot of homers he has to keep his walk rate low and not allow a lot of hits either (good amount of k’s).

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    Was he shaking off Martin’s signal calling very much last night?

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    I like my pitchers to think and not just be automatons out there, throwing only what the catcher calls for and not having to think

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    Odds-

    Was that really Bret ranting early this morning or another being occupying his body? :)

    Any thoughts on my earlier post about Hughes? If he’s evolving as a starter, should he rely more on what signs the catcher puts down and just try and hit the location? As I said, I didn’t see the game last night, so maybe he was doing that and Martin was just calling for the wrong pitch when Bautista hit the homerun off of the cutter.

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    Definitely another being occupying his body :)

    Not sure if he was shaking off Martin off. I saw parts of the game but not all of it.

  67. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Trader, he didn’t appear to shake off many pitches.

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    Odds-

    Was that really Bret ranting early this morning or another being occupying his body?

    Any thoughts on my earlier post about Hughes? If he’s evolving as a starter, should he rely more on what signs the catcher puts down and just try and hit the location? As I said, I didn’t see the game last night, so maybe he was doing that and Martin was just calling for the wrong pitch when Bautista hit the homerun off of the cutter.

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    If there’s intelligent life from another world, they’d be too intelligent to be anywhere near Bret, much less invade his body.

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    Hughes can throw good cutters that are effective…..the problem is that when he throws a bad one its gotta be one of the more hittable pitches in baseball…..the one to Bautista was supposed to be low and away…..instead it was an 86 mph cement mixer right down the middle……might as well have been sitting on a tee…..he cant get away with mistake with the pitch…..when he makes one its damaged lkke 100% of the time

  70. blake May 18th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    In all though i thought Hughes was fine…..they didnt lose because of him and I do think hes making progress

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    But Hughew has top stop letting bad cutter define his starts……he just gets hurt on the pitch too often

  72. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 8:36 am

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    I see where a rookie callup went 2-3, Yan Gomes.

    What I guess I haven’t been clear on, since Hughes seems to be re-evolving, if that’s even a word, as a starting pitcher, shouldn’t he and the catcher be on the same page, after doing their pre game review of the opposing hitters? Is Martin calling the wrong pitches in some instances or is Hughes being a little too “stubborn” with what he wants to throw, or is it just poor location, or all of the above?

    Granted had the offense not been 0 for 8 with RISP and now what -0 for 17 the last two games, he deserved a win last night.

  73. Betsy May 18th, 2012 at 8:37 am

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  74. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 8:40 am

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    I’m laughing so hard, I think I pulled the new MLB injury-my Oblique muscle. You made my day with that remark :)

  75. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    In the same breath fans will acknowledge every little flaw of Hughes and at the same time project that he corrects all said flaws (of which there are many), he will be rewarded with a long-term contract. In what world do the Yankees lock up such a flawed pitcher who needs to work on so many aspects of his game? It’s the same crap after every start. The guy is not pitching deep into games because his stuff is not good enough and it’s not worth investing long-term in this guy.

  76. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    It’s always IF

    IF Hughes commands the strike zone better

    IF Hughes can throw a tighter curve ball

    IF Hughes has his changeup

    IF Hughes improves his velocity

    IF Hughes scraps the cutter

    IF + IF + IF + IF + IF = IFFY pitcher = Don’t risk money on him.

  77. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    And Martin needs to quit baseball. How can that man call himself a baseball player in the first place? Who is he trying to fool? It’s not like New York City can’t figure it out – and we’re talking about one of the more densely populated cities in the world.

  78. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Betsy-

    Wasn’t Hughes working out of trouble? He gave up 7 hits[3 extra base hits], 2 walks and I believe Wade relieved and got him out of trouble in the 6th.

    6.1 innings, 107 pitches 66 for strikes, 2 ground ball outs, 5 fly outs.

    He gets credit for a quality start, now 3 in a row.

    I just think/know he can do better, with his pitch selection and location.

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