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Patience and frustration heading back to New York

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 18, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s easy to second guess a manager. With the benefit of hindsight and the comfort of distance, it’s easy to point out mistakes and offer alternatives. When the Yankees aren’t hitting, it’s easy to say that Joe Girardi should shuffle the batting order or play someone off the bench or send a player to Triple-A.

But the Yankees haven’t lost four out of five because of their manager.

With this group of hitters, Girardi is pretty much along for the ride. He should be able to put these hitters in any sort of order and expect better than 3-for-41 with runners in scoring position. The Yankees are top five in baseball in on-base percentage and slugging percentage, and that’s usually a productive combination, but these hitters have not hit in big situations. That’s the problem.

“The players are here, and they’re very good players,” Girardi said. “It’s just playing to your ability.”

But when things aren’t working, people demand change.

Just yesterday the Blue Jays sent Adam Lind to Triple-A, and the Padres released Orlando Hudson. A few days before that, the Twins optioned Danny Valencia. It’s not unheard of for a team to get rid of somewhat established, everyday players. But the Yankees? With this roster? The Yankees aren’t mix-and-match. They weren’t designed to play the hot hand. This team was put together so that a group of proven players could perform, and the ones who were well past the point of everyday production were assigned specific roles to maximize their remaining value.

The big decisions were made long ago. Success or failure depends entirely on the players doing the job.

Russell Martin has been bad at the plate. But who is there to replace him? Robinson Cano is hitting .176 with runners in scoring position. But is there a player the Yankees can trade for who they’d rather have in a big spot? Steve Pearce has an impressive Triple-A slash line. But on a day-to-day basis, is he really a smarter option than Mark Teixeira and his .228 batting average?

The Yankees lineup is not made up of Lind, Hudson and Valencia.

If Brett Gardner were struggling, he might not have the track record to deserve continued playing time. If Raul Ibanez had been stone cold all year, it might be time to move on. When Eduardo Nunez couldn’t make plays, the Yankees demoted him. When aging Jorge Posada kept struggling last season, he was dumped to a part-time role. When Randy Winn couldn’t hit two years ago, the Yankees released him.

“There’s always a point where you do it,” Girardi said.

But that point is not 38 games into the season. Not with a group of players like this.

“I think you have to be careful because this is not a game you play once a week,” Girardi said. “This is a game that you play every day. Hitters are going to go through peaks and valleys, and if you start trying to time it, it’s probably like trying to time the market. It can be dangerous. As I always talk about, you’re always managing personalities and egos, too. These guys have done it for us. Every year we look up and Tex has 30 (home runs) and 100-plus (RBI). Would I like every one of my guys to hit .350 and have an on-base of .425 with 35 homers? Hell yeah I would. But that’s not going to happen. It’s not. So you have to be patient.”

Patience isn’t exciting, but when it’s up to the players to turn things around, the best thing a manager can do is get out of the way and wait for it to happen. If it doesn’t happen, the failed decisions will be the ones made long before Girardi made out the lineup card.

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173 Responses to “Patience and frustration heading back to New York”

  1. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    So now that we all have a clear picture of Plan B aka “Patience” as described by Cashman, what do you all think of it?

    No Cliff Lee = Kuroda and a trade for damaged goods.

  2. dan l May 18th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    I want new ownership.
    I want a new team president with better hair or no hair.
    I want a new GM.
    I want a new manager.

  3. yankee21 May 18th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    I don’t think anyone with half a brain is advocating the Yankees just shuffling the deck, sending people down, releasing people and just throwing caution to the wind.

    However would it hurt if the manager spoke out once a year perhaps that he is not pleased and he is expecting guys to play better as the team has limited patience. Or is that too harsh and judgmental and knee-jerk?

    If you are looking for a cliche or platitude than Joe G is your man. If you are looking for results without BS I don’t know if he is the guy.

  4. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    How do you know what’s said out of earshot of the media with the doors closed? I’d prefer not to have an obnoxious jerk like Valentine….or some of the clowns on here that think they can do better managing or making deals than the people running the team now.

  5. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    “Patience isn’t exciting, but when it’s up to the players to turn things around, the best thing a manager can do is get out of the way and wait for it to happen. If it doesn’t happen, the failed decisions will be the ones made long before Girardi made out the lineup card.”

    Chad-

    Good morning. Just a terrific post and a perfect last line!

    It’s too early to panic, but not too early to worry.

    As I posted before, On June 23rd, 2009, the Yankees were shut out and embarrassed by rookie pitcher Tommy Hanson in Atlanta. The team was floundering. Cashman called the “troops” together with was speculated not to be a pep talk, and the Yankees took off from there on their way to the WS title.

  6. Bo knows May 18th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    So, you want Joe to soothe fans’ worries. Oookay.

    From Joe Girardi with his “back the players always”, what he’s saying, he might as well have a bullhorn calling them asswipes. Moving Teix up or down is not going to make him start hitting. Swisher hasn’t covered himself in glory lately to move him up in the batting order.

    I’m glad they’re getting their pee pees whacked this early in the seaon – they might still have a chance to right the ship somewhat. If Joe starts panicing, it’s “done like dinner time”.

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  8. Gary May 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    If it was any of your business what medication Teixeira was on, he’d probably tell you. amazing how many people hate the players, hate the team, hate the manager, hate the GM, hayr the people on this board, hate the way the writer posts. If it’s so bad, why the Hell do you keep coming back? Just to make everyone else as miserable as you? Just STFU and go play on the Mariner’s board. You’re more suited for there. After all, they have a player that you love. And yes, the continuous BS spewed by some of you is exactly why people have left this place.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Mutual feeling to you buddy. I make about one or two posts a day, not like you that just spends your life on this blog. Why don’t you take your own advice and find something to do with your life.

    I read your posts, your just like my kids growing up your always RIGHT and everyone else is always WRONG. By the way FU yourself, I don’t give a Cr ap about what you think.

  9. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Here’s the link to that visit by Cashman. After you read the article, this years struggles seem like deja vu all over again.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06.....notes.html

  10. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Glad Torre got out when he did. These teams are nothing like his.

  11. Yankee Trader May 18th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Got to go. Have a great day.

  12. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    This ownership can’t even find the money for Melky Cabrera. As Tex and Arod age and decline there is no money to improve the team. And CC still doesn’t have a #2.

  13. Against All Odds May 18th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Glad Torre got out when he did. These teams are nothing like his.

    ———————

    Are you forgetting the 05-07 teams?

  14. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Mutual feeling to you buddy. I make about one or two posts a day, not like you that just spends your life on this blog. Why don’t you take your own advice and find something to do with your life.

    I read your posts, your just like my kids growing up your always RIGHT and everyone else is always WRONG. By the way FU yourself, I don’t give a Cr ap about what you think.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    One or two a day, and both are whining from you about BS. Trust me, you’d be no buddy of mine. I couldn’t stomach your constant complaints. Your posts read a lot like Loser and his kid (P)iss ant.

  15. longtimefan May 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Lots of cliche’s being thrown around by Girardi and players–facts are facts, this team looks flat,and lifeless–observe the body language–with the excpetion of Granderson no one seems to have any pep in their step–when you have the players and they are not playing as they are capable of–then its managements responsibility and duty to get better results–its not going to happen by statements like “we’ve got to get better”, “its a long season”, “guys are struggling right now”–like the players Cashman and Girardi need to get off their asses and start earning their paychecks.

  16. yankee21 May 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    … Patience isn’t exciting, but when it’s up to the players to turn things around, the best thing a manager can do is get out of the way and wait for it to happen. If it doesn’t happen, the failed decisions will be the ones made long before Girardi made out the lineup card….

    Is roster construction and line-up deployment on the players too? Is that an off-base topic that cannot be brought up? When you have (4) guys in the starting line-up hitting .225 and below is it any wonder that they are 3-41 with RISP? Is that a shock? Is that something that is not a manager, GM issue to address with something more than “I expect these guys to revert to the back of their baseball card” kind of response?

    At what point is the manager accountable for results?

  17. Gary May 18th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Mutual feeling to you buddy. I make about one or two posts a day, not like you that just spends your life on this blog. Why don’t you take your own advice and find something to do with your life.

    I read your posts, your just like my kids growing up your always RIGHT and everyone else is always WRONG. By the way FU yourself, I don’t give a Cr ap about what you think.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    One or two a day, and both are whining from you about BS. Trust me, you’d be no buddy of mine. I couldn’t stomach your constant complaints. Your posts read a lot like Loser and his kid (P)iss ant.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    So what you BS all the time, you have a big lead on me. I guess that makes us one in the same.

  18. Against All Odds May 18th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    And CC still doesn’t have a #2.

    ————————-

    This is what bothers me every time CC goes out there it’s alright big guy save us again. That’s his job and he has no problem doing it but at what point do you take some of the pressure of guys like him and Cano to carry more than they have to. It’s similar to the Lakers with Kobe. “We’re down by 15 Kobe bring us back”

  19. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    here’s a quick write-up on Bryan Mitchell’s night.

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....8;sid=t233

  20. Madrugador May 18th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Ok- I get it. They have a lot of expensive players so no one is going anywhere.
    A-rod is not the player he once was and is likely to never regain that form. That is what age gets you. I get it.
    Hughes is not going to live up to the expectations but he can still be an effective #4 or #5 pitcher. I get it.
    What I don’t get is Teixeira. His production at the plate has been declining since 2009. This is not new and it is maddening to watch.

  21. pkyankfan69 May 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Yankees are top five in baseball in on-base percentage and slugging percentage, and that’s usually a productive combination, but these hitters have not hit in big situations. That’s the problem.
    —————————————————–
    It doesn’t help when a .285 OBP guy is batting 4th or 5th.

  22. Drivenbyjeter2 May 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    The problem with Chad writing this article is…..he’s wrong! 38 games is enough to replace a batter when they are performing THIS badly outside of Jeter and Granderson. 38 games is a large enough sample size. We have played games at home, away, against hot teams, slumping teams, division rivals, bad pitchers, and good pitchers. All those factors still equal a horrible hitting team. The only thing keeping their stats this high right now are games where they all hit the ball against bad pitching and score 10 runs.

    The Yankees NEED TO MAKE A MOVE!
    First on my list: TRADE MARK TEIXEIRA!

  23. UnKnown May 18th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    I think that link to an article back in 09 posted by yankee trader is a good read. As frustrating as this is while going through it, the Yankees go through this every year. Previous records through about 40 games from past seasons have been posted here already many times. This is very familar territory at this point in what seems like every season. As Pat M. has said this team will get it going.

    I am getting tired of replacing my remote control though on a daily basis recently…

  24. pkyankfan69 May 18th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    The Yankees NEED TO MAKE A MOVE!
    First on my list: TRADE MARK TEIXEIRA!
    ————————————————–
    GL with that… No trade clause and 22.5 M for 4 more years after this one.

    The Pirates wouldn’t trade us AJ back for Tex.

  25. Giuseppe Franco May 18th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Good grief.

    They don’t have an active 50 man roster.

    You can’t simply trade guys who aren’t performing up to par with these contracts and NTC. The real world doesn’t work that way.

    If you want the Yanks to spend big money on free agents then you are going to have to live with their struggles.

    It’s as simple as that.

  26. sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    before making trades out of the blue, perhaps some of you ought to read what some of these players have in their contracts first. A good reference point would be to start here:
    http://www.baseballprospectus......age_id=146

  27. UnKnown May 18th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    3 games in the loss colum out of first place (not counting the O’s they will fade) so if this team can find some consistent play and rattle of a 12 out 15 stretch they can find themselves back in first place soon.

    I am not at all saying that everything is fine, but I don’t think the season is over yet either.

  28. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Why did Jake Peavy waive his no trade clause? Carlos Zambrano? Randy Johnson? Why does any player waive his no trade clause? And why not Teixeira?

  29. sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Just an FYI – it would important to note that the infield is pretty much locked up for the next 4-5 years. Arod til 2017, Tex til 2016, Cano probably for the next 10 years, and Jeter for however long he wants to stay. Granderson is the HR and SO king on NY and still way affordable. Gardner is youth and speed when he’s healthy – something most of these Yankees are not so he’s not going anywhere, and Swish is hitting very well and this team plays for the playoffs so he’s not being traded anytime soon because I don’t see the Nats willing to swap Bryce Harper or the Dodgers swap Matt Kemp or the Pirates swap Andrew McCutchen for him.

    Right not if there’s any help, it’s going to be for bit roles and players like backup whatever or bullpen whoever. And that’s coming from AAA – not another team probably. If anything what you see is what you get. It will be most like 2009 when the Yanks got Eric Hinske from the Pirates.

  30. Madrugador May 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    There is not a lot anyone can do right now and hitting help is far away in Charleston. I’ve been a fan for a long time and this is tough to watch. Where is Horace Clarke when you need him?

  31. Giuseppe Franco May 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Peavy, Zambrano, and Johnson (with the DBacks) were all playing with teams that sucked when they were traded and had no chance of winning.

  32. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I completely agree with Chad.

    Look, the guy who would most likely in this lineup be replaced is Martin and with Austin Romine still on the shelf there’s no one to replace him with and you’re not going to trade for a Miguel Montero this early in the season.

    Tex isn’t going anywhere
    Ibanez has actually hit well
    Swisher’s OBP is garbage for him and he’s probably not 100% but you’re not getting rid of him either.

    And to be quite honest – even if you wanted to make a move, call up someone from the minors to try and add some fresh blood to the lineup – the options aren’t very good. Steve Pearce is the only one really hitting at AAA and he’s a Quad A player. Zoilo Almonte is on the DL in Trenton, David Adams and Corban Joseph have just started playing again. Brandon Laird hasn’t hit a lick since his big year in AA so really you don’t have any options but to ride it out for now.

    So like Chad said, you ride it out for now – See if Tex gets healthy, see if Martin can turn things around and hope that the offense heats up with the weather.

    The bigger issue – in my opinion – is the rotation.

    Hiroki Kuroda is doing his best to solidify my opinion that signing NL (specifically NL West) pitchers is a bad idea.

    Ivan Nova’s following the Phil Hughes plan – great year – all the fans get amped up about him being a stud and then the next season he looks really bad. Phil’s three wins have come against atrocious offensive clubs.

    Factor in the bullpen injuries starting to pile up and we’ve got a little bit of a problem on our hands.

    Of course it’s early and the pitchers have plenty of time to turn it around; Soriano has looked really good in the closer role – which could be the best thing for the Yankees. If he establishes himself as a good closer again this season he might opt out of his contract to go after a full time closer’s gig.

    And there are guys that you can go out there and get – if the offense keeps struggling maybe call up Houston about Carlos Lee and Jordan Schafer (I would not offer anything of real value nor would I have any interest in Wandy Rodriguez).

    But again, nothing’s going to happen for at least 2 weeks.

  33. sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    They waived because their team stunk and they wanted to play for a perennial winner (like the Yankees) and have a shot at the ring. Not because their team made a deal.

  34. sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    IMO – Nova is suffering from the usual sophomore slump. Teams have much more film on him and are studying his tendencies and timing. If he can adjust back, he’ll be a good pitcher. It’s an adjustment phase all pitchers have to go through (including Verlander).

  35. randy l. May 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    if the yankees fall behind this red sox team at any point this season, girardi and cashman should both be fired on the spot.

    …and one player should be picked to have to go on a road trip from yankee stadium to fenway park and back with trisha having to listen to her all the way venting about the red sox and offering her thoughts on karma and positive thinking.

    if cashman and girardi are smart they will have a team meeting and tell them what will happen to the worst performing player.

    this alone should light a fire under all players and avoid the ignominy of falling behind the pathetic red sox.

  36. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    So Halladay didn’t love being a Blue Jay? And Peavy didn’t love being a Padre?

  37. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Why did Jake Peavy waive his no trade clause? Carlos Zambrano? Randy Johnson? Why does any player waive his no trade clause? And why not Teixeira?
    ———————

    Peavy was on a horrific team

    Zambrano was in the last year of his deal, knew the Cubs had no intention of keeping him and likes Ozzie

    Johnson was also in the last year of his deal and to get him to waive his NTC the Yankees had to give him more money.

    Tex is on a winning team and has plenty of years left on his deal. Plus, how many teams can afford to take on his contract?

  38. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    And Halladay and Peavy didn’t fight to remain with their loser teams?

  39. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Bret -

    Halladay knew that he wasn’t staying with the Jays – they weren’t in any position to sign him to a long term deal.

  40. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    So Halladay didn’t love being a Blue Jay? And Peavy didn’t love being a Padre?

    I’m sure Peavy loved being a Padre, but they stunk.
    Halladay loved being a blue jay, but he went to a team that is always in the playoffs.

    Mark Teixeira would be downgrading if he were traded to any team that had room for him.

  41. DONNYBROOK May 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    The Yankee offensive malaise is a direct by-product of Girardi consistently giving players days off and half days off\DH. Baseball issa game of repitition. It’s Extremely difficult for a team to play and HIT as a Unit, when the Roles and Cast of characters changes on an almost daily basis. Baseball is a game of repitition. Players prefer having a “routine”, day-in-day-out. They prefer doing the same thing EVERY day. Moving players in and out of the DH Slot, shuffling players around defensively, and shipping guys to AAA, Violates this “routine”. The end result is what we currently see offensively. Placing the players where they normally play defensively, and using the same lineup top-to-bottom CONSISTENTLY, will result in players putting up numbers that replicate those on the back of their bubble gum card.

  42. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Tex… Plus, how many teams can afford to take on his contract?

    ************

    That’s where the discussion becomes more honest. The NTC is a dishonest copout from the real conversation.

  43. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    “As frustrating as this is while going through it, the Yankees go through this every year. ”

    Yep!

    “Why did Jake Peavy waive his no trade clause? Carlos Zambrano? Randy Johnson? Why does any player waive his no trade clause? And why not Teixeira?”

    Lots of people disagreeing with you but I still say the NTC is the least of the issues with trading Tex.

    Make it clear he’ll be playing a platoon and you’ll see how quickly he’ll long for the Orioles/Mets/Nationals.

  44. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    The NTC is the first hurdle the Yankees have to cross before he even becomes tradeable, and he won’t waive it.

  45. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Would Teixeira accept a trade to a large market contender with a need for offense, like say the Los Angeles Dodgers?

  46. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    The question becomes if you are willing to pay half of Tex’s salary for the remainder of his deal… and if so, if that money is enough to find suitable replacements.

  47. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Now it’s a more honest conversation. Thank you Shame.

  48. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Tex… Plus, how many teams can afford to take on his contract?

    ************

    That’s where the discussion becomes more honest. The NTC is a dishonest copout from the real conversation.
    ——————–

    I think they’re both connected. Let’s say for example that Kenny Williams said that the White Sox would take Tex in exchange for Alex Rios and the Yankees kicking in some money, and the Yankees agreed to it…if Tex doesn’t want to play in Chicago what are you going to do to make him change his mind?

    He would be going from a winning team to a bad team
    There aren’t any options on his contract to pick up

    So why would he agree to it?

  49. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    What about when JD Drew waived his no-trade clause on a winning team in Los Angeles for a winning team in Boston?

  50. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Would Teixeira accept a trade to a large market contender with a need for offense, like say the Los Angeles Dodgers?

    His suitors were all from the east coast, he lives on the east coast, and he plays for the best team on the east coast. I don’t think so.

    If he were not already making a hojillion dollars you could probably entice him with an extension or more money, but his contract is already there. You’d only be able to trade him if he really disliked being a Yankee.

  51. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    There’s been a pretty lengthy history of players with NTC being traded once its clear both sides aren’t on the same page.

    Limit his playing time and he’ll want out.

  52. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Would Teixeira accept a trade to a large market contender with a need for offense, like say the Los Angeles Dodgers?
    —————-

    The only possible reason he would consider it is that he grew up idolizing Mattingly, but the question then comes back to – why would the Dodgers do that? Why would they be willing to pay that kind of money for Tex right now?

  53. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    What about when JD Drew waived his no-trade clause on a winning team in Los Angeles for a winning team in Boston?

    JD Drew opted out of his contract, did not waive a NTC.

  54. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    You’d only be able to trade him if he really disliked being a Yankee.

    ————

    Or if he was only playing for the Yankees against LHP. These guys do still have pride, I think.

  55. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    There’s been a pretty lengthy history of players with NTC being traded once its clear both sides aren’t on the same page.

    Limit his playing time and he’ll want out.

    How many on the Yankees? They would have to make him hate playing for the team. NYY is the top of the food chain on teams, most players waive their NTC to come to the Yankees, not leave them.

  56. sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    The NTC has something to do with the conversation honest or not. If Tex says no, then it’s no. Much like Texas’ attempt to tradeKoji Uehara. And the Yank’s trade of AJ to the Angels. Didn’t happen cause they said no. AJ couldn’t block a deal to the Pirates bc they weren’t on his no-trade list.

  57. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    What about when JD Drew waived his no-trade clause on a winning team in Los Angeles for a winning team in Boston?
    —————

    That didn’t happen. JD Drew signed with Boston as a free agent.

    December 23, 2004: Signed as a Free Agent with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
    October 28, 2006: Granted Free Agency.
    February 14, 2007: Signed as a Free Agent with the Boston Red Sox.

  58. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Would Teixeira accept a trade to a large market contender with a need for offense, like say the Los Angeles Dodgers?
    —————-

    The only possible reason he would consider it is that he grew up idolizing Mattingly, but the question then comes back to – why would the Dodgers do that? Why would they be willing to pay that kind of money for Tex right now?

    **************

    Why would they be willing to pay that kind of money for Tex right now?

    I can think of a reason, can you?

  59. muwarriorsfan May 18th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    It’s pretty simple, really. Arod and Tex are now just average players. They have been declining year to year and nothing can change that.

    When the meat of the order flat out stinks, the team just won’t be any good.

  60. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    **************

    Why would they be willing to pay that kind of money for Tex right now?

    I can think of a reason, can you?

    ——————–

    The new ownership? You don’t really ingratiate yourself to your fan base by trading for a guy hitting .220 with a huge contract.

  61. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I think you could get a team willing to take the 40/100 production and gold glove D, despite the low BA, for $10-11 million a year.

    Still leaves us on the hook for $12-13 million. And you need to figure out a way to replace him with the $10-11 you ‘save.’

  62. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Not the reason I have in mind. Not really close to it.

  63. sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Yes… thank you Hank for that new 10 year deal for Arod. sigh.

  64. pkyankfan69 May 18th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    And the Yank’s trade of AJ to the Angels. Didn’t happen cause they said no. AJ couldn’t block a deal to the Pirates bc they weren’t on his no-trade list.
    ———————————————————–
    Side note… I know his wife doesn’t fly but who in their right mind would have LA on their list of no trade teams while leaving the Pirates off..? The Pirates have to be among the least desirable teams to play for.

  65. DONNYBROOK May 18th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Why would any team take on a player with a medical condition so severe, that he is doubled over on the field??? Stop tilting at wind mills. TEX hit 39 Bombs last season, and knocked in Over 100 just last season. The guy aint toast. Gimme a consistent batting lineup and team on-the-field defensively, and I’ll give you the numbers these players have Always produced. It’s that simple.

  66. pkyankfan69 May 18th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    BTW, this trading Tex convo is moot.

    Not a shot in hell anyone takes him and his 4 years – 90 M.

    Yanks would have to pick up at least half of that and I highly doubt they would be willing to pay 45 M+ for Tex to play somewhere else.

    Plus, from what I read Tex is very happy living in CT… He won’t waive his NTC.

  67. LGY May 18th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Is the thought to trade Tex so you can free up some money to sign a free agent this winter?

    Why wouldn’t the other team just sign said free agent themselves??

  68. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Yanks would have to pick up at least half of that and I highly doubt they would be willing to pay 45 M+ for Tex to play somewhere else.

    Yea this is the other problem. Trading Tex only makes sense if they get off the hook for the entire salary (or most of it). Unlike AJ Burnett, Tex can still provide positives and get play time without taking up a very important roster spot (more bench room for position players).

  69. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    LGY May 18th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Is the thought to trade Tex so you can free up some money to sign a free agent this winter?

    Why wouldn’t the other team just sign said free agent themselves??
    —————–

    Well put.

    As I said – the best bet for freeing up money is leaving Raf Soriano as the closer – hoping he has a really strong year and then opts out of his deal so that he can get a full time closer’s job while his stock is high. Of course that money will likely be spent on re-upping Rivera.

  70. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    I don’t really think they’ll trade him either but I also don’t think it’s completely out of the realm of possibility just because he has a NTC and a giant contract. I still don’t understand how Vernon Wells got traded…

    Anyway.. it makes for better conversation than He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named! ;)

    I really like Tex too, but he might be someone you could try and move. Maybe not this year but perhaps when he only has 2-3 years left on the deal it’d be well worth eating the cash.

  71. sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Well, this place is a haven for “what if” scenarios. Good for discussion if nothing else…

  72. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    I would look to smaller deals right now – see if the Nats are willing to part with Ankiel for Cervelli; something along those lines.

  73. austinmac May 18th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Teixiera is not being traded. His salary is too high for his value, he has a no-trade and the Yankees have no replacement. Those calling for Pearce should check out his K rate. He is another Vasquez.

    I say bring up Mustelier. He is a 27 year old Cuban who hits. He is not a big power guy, but he doesn’t strike out too much, does have some pop and might actually be able to get a ball to the outfield with a man on third and less than two outs. He is the only position player I can see who can potentially help.

    The Yankees will not be buyers at the trade deadline in my opinion. They got out of that business when they stopped taking on high salaries for free agents to be.

    This is the team that we will live and die with for the most art. I agree their is not much Girardi can do. He can move Teixiera to 6th in the line up, but you are whistling in the dark if you think that will make any difference. Either the middle of the line up guys hit or it will be a mighty long season.

  74. Madrugador May 18th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I’d try anything to help the offense right now and since inconsistent playing time has resulted in inconsistent performance, maybe playing the same position everyday would help. At least it gives the appearance of trying to manage the team.

  75. Against All Odds May 18th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Yes… thank you Hank for that new 10 year deal for Arod. sigh.

    ———————–

    Blame Hal too he had to sign off on it

  76. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    2 cash-rich offense starved contenders with an opening at 1b:

    Los Angeles Dodgers – run support for Kershaw, Billingsley, protection for Kemp/Ethier

    San Francisco Giants – run support for Cain, Lincecum + Bumgarner

  77. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    protection for Posey.

  78. blake May 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    “Is the thought to trade Tex so you can free up some money to sign a free agent this winter?”

    Uhm no….the reason you try and trade Tex is so its easier for Hal to get under 189…..go profit!

  79. 86w183 May 18th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Tex is having a typically slow start and while the average may never come back he’ll continue to hit HR and drive in runs and play outstanding defense. He is still a helluva player.

    The Dodgers have plenty of payroll room ($ 90M) and may like the idea of getting a veteran to help Eithier and Kemp because Loney has been a disaster.

    Tex and Nunez for Uribe and Loney? If change of scenery doesn’t jump start Loney’s bat you can play Swish there or teach A-Rod 1B and go 3B shopping.

    Doesn’t make the Yanks better, but could free up a lot of cash.

    No clue if Tex would accept it, but a phone call from Donnie Baseball might convince him. It’s just four years.

  80. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    2 cash-rich offense starved contenders with an opening at 1b:

    Los Angeles Dodgers – run support for Kershaw, Billingsley, protection for Kemp/Ethier

    San Francisco Giants – run support for Cain, Lincecum + Bumgarner
    ———————-

    Bret,

    Both those teams play in parks that are not conducive to hitting. Neither team has an abundance of funds (Giants still have to sign Linc and we don’t know what the new Dodger owners actually have)

    Why would Tex want to play in parks that would rob his power?

  81. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    86w183 May 18th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Tex is having a typically slow start and while the average may never come back he’ll continue to hit HR and drive in runs and play outstanding defense. He is still a helluva player.

    The Dodgers have plenty of payroll room ($ 90M) and may like the idea of getting a veteran to help Eithier and Kemp because Loney has been a disaster.

    Tex and Nunez for Uribe and Loney? If change of scenery doesn’t jump start Loney’s bat you can play Swish there or teach A-Rod 1B and go 3B shopping.

    Doesn’t make the Yanks better, but could free up a lot of cash.

    No clue if Tex would accept it, but a phone call from Donnie Baseball might convince him. It’s just four years.

    *********

    Precisely. Not so far-fetched after all.

  82. 86w183 May 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Giants are a potential fit two… gotta eat more $$$ with them probably

  83. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I agree, Dodgers and Giants…

  84. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Kerry Wood will be retiring from baseball tonight after the game.

  85. Tar May 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Great post chad!!

  86. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    It helps that they are both bitter rivals extremely starved for offense, locked up in the same division with big money to spend. They can be pitted against one another.

  87. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Uribe & Loney are terrible and Tex isn’t going to waive his NTC.

  88. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    86,

    I agree, a call from Donnie Baseball, Mark’s boyhood idol would endear him to the Dodgers winning tradition.

  89. jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    I disagree with the premise of this article. Hardly anyone outside of trolls are asking the Yankees to dump Teixeira, or significantly change the batting order every 3 days. He could come around, sure. He should. But with Teixeira he has had steady decline over years, which means this may not be just because of sickness, and maybe not at all. His swing from the left side is poor, it’s not just the results. Simply moving him down in the order until he performs would not be knee jerk reaction.

  90. Against All Odds May 18th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Tex is not going to waive his no trade. He would have to hate being here

  91. yankee21 May 18th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    No way in hell Tex is going to be traded. He has a NTC, by all indications loves being a Yankee, he is too expensive, he isn’t playing at an AS level, and there is no obvious MiL replacement for him anytime soon. It’s really a non-starter.

    The best thing to do is quietly, behind closed doors, communicate to Tex that NY is expecting the kind of performance he achieved before coming to NY and in his first year, and work with him to accomplish it. They need to work with him and he needs to be willing to change his approach. It is really the only reasonable thing to do under the circumstances.

    If he is unwilling or unable then it is up to Joe G and Cashman to react accordingly. They cannot simply dismiss it as a passing thing, they have got to acknowledge the problem, internally.

  92. Wave Your Hat May 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Trading Tex doesn’t help. The value represented by the difference between his current market value (on a per year basis) and his contract’s average annual value has simply vanished. In a budget capped scenario you would have to subtract that lost value from the cap, and that’s the case whether you trade him or not.

    My hope is that Tex bounces back. That’s the only good scenario.

  93. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    86,

    I agree, a call from Donnie Baseball, Mark’s boyhood idol would endear him to the Dodgers winning tradition and give the Dodgers more long-term protection for their primary investment – Matt Kemp. While Dodgers Stadium and PacBell are large parks, it never stopped Barry Bonds or Matt Kemp. I suspect Mark has enough self-confidence to believe he can hit anywhere. It’s a good match.

  94. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Winning tradition? The dodgers have been to the playoffs 4 times in the past 10 years.

  95. James D May 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Nice post Chad. I understand the fan mentality people are passionate about the Yanks, but your right it is a game of patience, and the yankees seem to go through this every year. their an old team built to hit homeruns which means a lot of all or nothing type hitters. do I agree with the way they designed this team absolutely not the 90′s dynasty was so good because it had great situational, and clutch hitters, guys that will hit 20 hr put get on base and make things happen. I do have to say I think things need to be changed going foward in the next couple years. and I do think Pearce desearves a call up, give him a week and get Tex healthy and K-long on him, his swing is far to noisy it needs to be simplified and closed up, look what it did for Granderson. and If i were Joe i would do some more hit and run I know its High Risk/High reward but it also opens up some holes and moves the runners. i mean it couldn’t be worse than it already is.
    thats my 2 cents.

  96. BIG AL May 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    I’m glad the Yankees are now giving their young pitchers time to grow at the minor league level, and not rushing them up, like Neil Allen and Tampa did to Moore. That kids numbers are terrible, he needs to go back down and work on his pitches.

  97. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Yeah, those losers, look what their loser brand just sold for.

  98. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Tex’s self confidence, at an all time high according to bret, causes him not to waive his NTC. “I don’t want to have unfinished business in New York, I can hit anywhere, even here, and I want to help this team in their goal of winning world series.”

  99. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    2009 – no unfinished business.

  100. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    “Someone on the internet seems to really want me traded, but I signed for 8 years for a reason, security and 8 chances at rings. Unfinished business.”

  101. Against All Odds May 18th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Bret it’s not going to happen because he doesn’t want to leave. When ppl brought the Yankees going after Albert what did Tex say “I’m not going anywhere,” Teixeira said as Yankees position players reported on Saturday. “I got that no-trade for a reason. I’m going to be buried in these pinstripes. You know what, I would be disappointed if the fans of New York weren’t looking to make our team better, but they’ve just got to know I’m not leaving.”

  102. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Mark’s boyhood idol Mattingly’s Dodgers – new class of the NL West. Legitimate chance to add to my ring collection. It’s an honor sir.

  103. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    “Legitimate chance to add to my ring collection by staying in New York. The Dodger’s a storied franchise, but the New York Yankees are the class of baseball and I’m proud to represent them over the length of this contract.”

    He is on the best team with the best stadium and the one that spends the most money. Yer arguments just got no base. Managers come and go.

    Tex is more likely to call Donnie and tell him to manage the Yankees.

  104. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    It seems only 1 fan would miss him.

  105. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “It seems only 1 fan would miss me. I’m out” – Tex

  106. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “Has somebody seen my HgH?”

  107. randy l. May 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    “I’m glad the Yankees are now giving their young pitchers time to grow at the minor league level, and not rushing them up, like Neil Allen and Tampa did to Moore. That kids numbers are terrible, he needs to go back down and work on his pitches.”

    big al-

    only a baseball dumb ass would open the door to bring up a ray pitching staff that is kicking the yankee’s butt on one fourth the salary .

    thanks :)

  108. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    “Has Neil Allen seen my HgH?”

  109. austinmac May 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Bret,

    I often like your trade thoughts, but Teixiera is not waiving his no trade for a phone call from Mattingly. His life and his family are in the east. It is a complete non-starter. It is as likely that they install you at first base.

  110. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “Thanks Arod, been looking for that for the past 2 years.”

    “Don’t mention it bro. No seriously, don’t mention it.”

  111. mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Only if and when the Yanks hit rock bottom will change come.
    The attendance will also need a big decline to wake up the “boss.”
    Problem is what’s out there requires creativity to find and our GM seems ineffectual.

  112. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Mick,

    Ineffectual? The plan is patience, Mick. 10 years from now those attendees will still be buying into the plan.

  113. mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    This GM has lost his reputation as well.
    And I’m not talking about his recent deals.
    His personal decisions will haunt him forever.

  114. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    If they are told to be patient over and over again. This way when nothing changes, it’s not their fault, it’s YOUR fault for being impatient.

    Where’s the sushi bar and the caviar?

  115. sunny615 May 18th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    snort…

  116. 86w183 May 18th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Had no idea so many of Mark Teixiera’s personal advisors and close confidants are on this blog.

    No one has a clue how he would react to an inquiry regarding a possible trade. You can guess. you can have an educated guess, but you don’t know jack.

    and neither do I

  117. Wave Your Hat May 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    “Problem is what’s out there requires creativity to find and our GM seems ineffectual.”

    With essentially a flat budget from 2005 on, the Yanks have during that time won the toughest division in baseball 4 times, been to the playoffs 6 times, and won the World Series once.

    That doesn’t seem ineffectual to me.

  118. mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    I have patience. My world won’t crumble if they suck.
    Sucking will lead to change and change can be fun which is what this is all about, right?
    I had patience in the 80′s but then we weren’t relying on potential farmhands.
    This new patience is relying on our youth.
    That is a total crapshoot.
    Might get worse before it gets better and it might take a while…
    Hold on.

  119. mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    That doesn’t seem ineffectual to me.
    =========================
    The future is ahead of us.

  120. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Matt Moore regardless of outcome last night had a quality start: 6IP 5H 3R, 1BB, 8 K’s. Sure he hung a couple of pitches, but he is going to go through some mlb growing pains as all young pitchers do; you can’t just send him down to AAA.

    As for Teix, he isn’t going anywhere. He should probably be given a few days off to get healthier, and be dropped down in the order vs. righties, which will take some pressure off him.

  121. charlestonchew May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    reposting what I posted yesterday:

    The Yankees records in the past FIVE seasons on May 16:

    2011: 20-19
    2010: 24-13
    2009: 19-17
    2008: 20-22
    2007: 18-20

    2012: 20-17

    The point of this post is to remind you guys that we’re really not far off of any other pace we’ve normally been on in the past. Many of you will probably say that this team is aging and these guys are too old to really turn things around. But that’s been said before and our players have consistently risen to the challenge and gotten us to the playoffs year in and year out, with exception of the bizarre 2008 season. We won the World Series in 2009 and look, we had a slightly worse record at this point in the season. Sure, there are big question marks for these Yankees. Will they have the consistency to “go on a run” and win something like 12 out of 14 games? We will see if that kind of a streak is in this team, but we do know that this team thrives in the warmer months and really gets its groove as time goes on. Our hitters are extremely talented hitters not only because of their natural physical abilities, but because of their minds and abilities to adapt to pitchers and changes in their bodies and in the game. Look at Derek Jeter right now. Holy crap. You don’t think Mark Teixeira is gonna turn things around? Do you remember how AWFUL he was last season at the start? It was horrifying. He hit 39 homeruns.

    I know this speech about “it is early” has gone on probably too long and it has all been heard before. But ultimately, the Yankees have a pretty good start on their hands and if they can turn their luck around and get some of their injured players back, they will be in prime position to go on a big roll very soon. Our losses don’t hurt us nearly as much as these kinds of losses might hurt another team (losing gardner, mo, robertson, swisher, joba, and now maybe nova for some time) because we have people who are talented and solid players that can slide in to fill roles. It’s a long season and I’m just waiting for the days when Robbie and Alex and Grandy and Tex are blasting the ball all over the ballpark and Kuroda and Nova and Hughes are dominating.

  122. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    86w183 May 18th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Had no idea so many of Mark Teixiera’s personal advisors and close confidants are on this blog.

    ********

    :lol:

  123. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    That doesn’t seem ineffectual to me.
    =========================
    The future is ahead of us.
    ————–

    so wait – you’re saying his past deals have cost him his reputation and then when someone points out his past achievements you say that they don’t matter because “the future is ahead of us”

  124. mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    It is more about fun than winning.
    Winning can be fun, doesn’t have to be.
    Some fans call this team boring, if they win will they still be fun?
    Not necessarily.

    A young team can be fun and not win.
    At least it would be fun watching them grow.
    And then the winning would even be more fun.

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Hughes is not going to live up to the expectations but he can still be an effective #4 or #5 pitcher. I get it.
    ///

    Phil’s three wins have come against atrocious offensive clubs.
    ///

    So, Hughes sucks, despite the fact that he has made a quantum leap, from April to May.

    The guy got hurt on one bad pitch in Toronto yesterday, despite getting squeezed by a HP ump who thought it was equitable to give Toronto’s starter the low strike, but not Hughes. He probably had half a dozen strikes stolen from him, and had to alter his attack. Had he gotten the same strike zone, he may have pitched into the seventh inning.

    He allowed two runs. His team failed to give him support. Yeah – he sucks: yesterday proved that. Should have thrown a shutout.

    And let’s make sure to kick him on his win at KC. that Royals offense – guys like Butler, Moustakas, Escobar, Gordon…all automatic outs for every other pitcher in the American League. He should have put up nothing but zeroes, so that 6.2 innings, 3ER, 1BB and 7K is just another example of what a disappointment he is and will eternally be.

  126. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Hughes hyperbole – great.

  127. mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    That doesn’t seem ineffectual to me.
    =====================
    REPOST

    mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    This GM has lost his reputation as well.
    And I’m not talking about his recent deals.
    His personal decisions will haunt him forever.

  128. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Hughes has a 3.55 ERA in his last 4 starts with a near 9 k/9 and 4:1 k:bb. He is doing alright.

  129. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    MLB?@MLB

    Umpire Bob Davidson suspended 1 game for his repeated violations of the Office of the Commissioner’s standards for situation handling.

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    I say bring up Mustelier. He is a 27 year old Cuban who hits. He is not a big power guy, but he doesn’t strike out too much, does have some pop and might actually be able to get a ball to the outfield with a man on third and less than two outs. He is the only position player I can see who can potentially help.
    ///

    If he keeps it up, they would be foolish not to give him a look.

  131. mick May 18th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Cashman’s moves have been for bargain basement specials.
    The fiscal restraint is no doubt killing him and is not the way the Yankees have ever operated.
    The owner is more the culprit than Cash.
    The moves now require great creativity and that has never been his forte.
    It never needed to be.
    Someone will be used as a scapegoat if we hit rock bottom and Cash’ recent escapade won’t help him, PR-wise.

  132. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    I disagree with the premise of this article. Hardly anyone outside of trolls are asking the Yankees to dump Teixeira

    ———————-

    I’m not trolling ;)

    I don’t want to dump him. I’d love Tex hitting in the 6 or 7 hole with his defense and his production. No one here wants to trade him to make our team better. Keeping him and keeping Swish to platoon for him against RHP even 1/3rd of the time would be incredible.

    But we’re not talking about runaway contracts.. we’re talking about the $189 albatross hanging around our necks and how to creatively find ways around it. Tex could be one of the few options. Soriano another (a far more un-tradable contract, IMO). I don’t think Arod is going anywhere. Who else could you move to reduce the payroll?

  133. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Mick,

    True but the fan base has embraced the “patience” mantra and have build a high resistance to any change in any form whatsoever unless it involves twiddling thumbs and tweaking lineup cards.

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    You’re dumb as dirt on pitching and hitting. But everybody here already knows that.

  135. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Just like everybody knows you crave man ass.

  136. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    My approach to Hughes is always to be cautiously optimistic. He’s been doing well the last few starts. I’d like to see him get more length from him but I’ll take what he delivered last night. He made it a winnable game. That’s all you ask for.

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    # Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Hughes has a 3.55 ERA in his last 4 starts with a near 9 k/9 and 4:1 k:bb. He is doing alright.
    ///

    Nope. Attention spans here cannot accommodate improvement. He sucks, he’s Phil Hughes.

    I never again want to hear that crap that Yankee fans, by definition, “know their baseball.” Guess what – they really don’t!

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Shame, I think we’d have gotten more length if the plate ump had the same zone for both pitchers.

  139. Wave Your Hat May 18th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    So much BS about Cashman gets posted around here. Bunch of crybabies.

    Cashman did a masterful job retooling the Yanks after 2008 without increasing payroll. Since then the Yanks have won the World Series, had the best record in the AL twice, gotten to the ALCS twice and been to the playoffs all three years.

    The Yanks start out 20-18 and the world is ending. Baloney.

  140. TheBigOut May 18th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    GreenBeret7

    My daughter reads this blog and so do her cousins. I’d appreciate you not using that vocabulary, theres a reason why it gets filtered and its not to be circumvented by parlor tricks and abreviations. Ive also seen the majority of your posts be judgemental and threatening with little value to the community. Everybody you disagree with doesnt deserve to be attacked by you and your inflamatory and snarky remarks. If this wasnt so common to see from you id ignore it, but it seems to be a constant. Id appreciate it if you think before you post or just dont post profanity. Thank you.

  141. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    My approach to Hughes is always to be cautiously optimistic. He’s been doing well the last few starts. I’d like to see him get more length from him but I’ll take what he delivered last night. He made it a winnable game. That’s all you ask for.

    Yea, he needs to maintain, but he has been on a nice little run since getting knocked out by Texas.

  142. Carolina Sam May 18th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    2012 Yankees – (20-18) after may 17th
    2011 Yankees – (20-19) after May 16th and went on to finish (97-65)
    2009 Yankees – (17-17) after May 14th and went on to finish (103-59) and win the World Series
    2008 Yankees – (25-27) after May 27th and went on to finish (89-73)
    2007 Yankees – (21-29) after May 29th and went on to finish (94-68)
    2005 Yankees – (29-31) after June 10th and went on to finish (95-67)

  143. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Mick – I’m not following you…

    You say that his past deals, more than his recent ones were the bad ones, but then you’re ripping the deals he’s made the last two years.

    You say he’s lacking of creativity but I would argue that he was plenty creative in finding bargain bin talent like Colon, Garcia, Chavez, Ibanez, and Wade over the last two years.

    You say that he’s ineffective, yet his teams have been in the playoffs every year but one in his tenure.

    I’m not saying Cashman is without flaws – he obviously is – but your argument doesn’t hold water.

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Matt Moore regardless of outcome last night had a quality start: 6IP 5H 3R, 1BB, 8 K’s. Sure he hung a couple of pitches, but he is going to go through some mlb growing pains as all young pitchers do; you can’t just send him down to AAA.
    ///

    I don’t think quoting his line will turn on any lights inside of some here. Some don’t seem to know what a ‘quality start’ is. If Moore were a Yankee, the “PITCHING WINS” robots would be calling him a bust and calling for us to cough up the farm for Ubaldo Jimenez.

  145. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    JAP – Understandable. I know he does tend to have some shorter outtings.. I don’t think we’ve see him get through 7 often in his career, but I could be wrong on that. That could be attributed to a few factors, least of which should be ignored that the bullpen has been an evolving factor in baseball.

    I’m happy with what he’s been doing the past few starts though. I haven’t seen him pitch enough lately, I’m too entrenched in the playoffs right now to worry about the Yankees less than 40 games into a marathon of a season. I only choose to exercise cautious optimism with Hughes because he’s had a lot of ups and downs since he’s come up. Just my natural disposition at this point lol, but I’ve liked that he’s improved when he could have let the world cave in on him after sputtering out of the gate this season.

  146. Jerkface May 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    As of today the yankees were/are

    2012: 4.5 games out
    2011: 2 games out
    2010: 3 games out
    2009: 4.5 games out
    2008: 6 games out
    2007: 10 games out
    2006: .5 games out
    2005: 6 games out

  147. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Hughes didn’t become the ace people wanted; he hasn’t developed quickly enough, and people are bored with him and want shiny new toys instead. Hughes, no matter what he does, can do no right by some.

    And Brett, watch your language, please.

  148. Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    I don’t need a new shiny toy. I just don’t want a piece of shat.

  149. Shame Spencer May 18th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Bret The Hitman May 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Just like everybody knows you crave man ass.

    ————————-

    C’mon Brett, you’re better than this nonsense.

  150. austinmac May 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Hughes can and will be effective if his velocity continues where it is. Only time will tell about that, but he is currently one of the team’s least worries. In my eyes, Nova is a far bigger immediate question. He has some of the worst peripheral stat lines in baseball. He has good looking stuff, but whenever he is up in the zone, and that is often, he gets hammered.

    Let’s hope Pettitte can pitch well tonight. An ineffective Pettitte would be a problem. His stuff looked pretty decent so I have some hopes.

  151. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Cashman’s biggest flaw isn’t in player moves. It really isn’t. Cashman’s biggest flaw is in his selection of talent evaluators and coaches.

    I don’t blame Cashman for signing AJ Burnett – I blame Cashman for having the same people on the payroll who told him that Burnett was worth signing around to tell him that Hiroki Kuroda was worth signing.

    I don’t blame him for the fact that Hughes and Joba haven’t developed as planned, I blame him for having the same minor league coordinators working with Betances and Banuelos and letting it happen all over again.

    That’s where the house cleaning needs to take place. And if Cashman’s not able or willing to do it then the Yankees need to find a GM who is.

  152. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    TheBigOut May 18th, 2012 at 11:43 am
    GreenBeret7

    My daughter reads this blog and so do her cousins. I’d appreciate you not using that vocabulary, theres a reason why it gets filtered and its not to be circumvented by parlor tricks and abreviations. Ive also seen the majority of your posts be judgemental and threatening with little value to the community. Everybody you disagree with doesnt deserve to be attacked by you and your inflamatory and snarky remarks. If this wasnt so common to see from you id ignore it, but it seems to be a constant. Id appreciate it if you think before you post or just dont post profanity. Thank you.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Nothing was filtered, and what’s more, I don’t care what you think or want.

  153. LGY May 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Cashman did a masterful job retooling the Yanks after 2008 without increasing payroll. Since then the Yanks have won the World Series, had the best record in the AL twice, gotten to the ALCS twice and been to the playoffs all three years.

    ———

    Eh.

    2 of his 3 big signings that winter look like very poor investments right now.

  154. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    TheBigOut May 18th, 2012 at 11:43 am
    GreenBeret7

    My daughter reads this blog and so do her cousins. I’d appreciate you not using that vocabulary, theres a reason why it gets filtered and its not to be circumvented by parlor tricks and abreviations. Ive also seen the majority of your posts be judgemental and threatening with little value to the community. Everybody you disagree with doesnt deserve to be attacked by you and your inflamatory and snarky remarks. If this wasnt so common to see from you id ignore it, but it seems to be a constant. Id appreciate it if you think before you post or just dont post profanity. Thank you.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Nothing was filtered, and what’s more, I don’t care what you think or want.
    —————-

    It’s entirely possible that you’re the most abhorrent person around. Have someone tell you what that means if you’re unsure.

    The guy asked you, quite politely, to use civil language and you slam him for it…you’re pathetic and I doubt that there’s anyone in your life who doesn’t believe that as well.

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    “If it was any of your business what medication Teixeira was on, he’d probably tell you. amazing how many people hate the players, hate the team, hate the manager, hate the GM, hayr the people on this board, hate the way the writer posts. If it’s so bad, why the Hell do you keep coming back? Just to make everyone else as miserable as you? Just STFU and go play on the Mariner’s board. You’re more suited for there. After all, they have a player that you love. And yes, the continuous BS spewed by some of you is exactly why people have left this place.”

    Can’t disagree with any of this.

    And good call on Lost and his faux offspring. I knew Gary was a sock puppet. Just wasn’t sure which one.

    Scary when multiples actually have several going at once and appear on the same thread.

    SMH

  156. Wave Your Hat May 18th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “2 of his 3 big signings that winter look like very poor investments right now.”

    To be honest, I don’t think that matters.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Chip -

    Don’t know how polite this is:

    “Ive also seen the majority of your posts be judgemental and threatening with little value to the community. Everybody you disagree with doesnt deserve to be attacked by you and your inflamatory and snarky remarks. ”

    Just sayin’

  158. Wave Your Hat May 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Actually, GB, while you do annoy me sometimes, on the whole I think you are very entertaining. And your language doesn’t bother me.

    Keep it up!

  159. GreenBeret7 May 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    It’s entirely possible that you’re the most abhorrent person around. Have someone tell you what that means if you’re unsure.

    The guy asked you, quite politely, to use civil language and you slam him for it…you’re pathetic and I doubt that there’s anyone in your life who doesn’t believe that as well.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    your opinion of me means zippo. He’s the same west coast troll with a new name. If he’s so concerned about his imaginary daughters and cousins, he should make sure that they’re in school.

  160. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    LGY May 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Cashman did a masterful job retooling the Yanks after 2008 without increasing payroll. Since then the Yanks have won the World Series, had the best record in the AL twice, gotten to the ALCS twice and been to the playoffs all three years.

    ———

    Eh.

    2 of his 3 big signings that winter look like very poor investments right now.
    ——————-

    In fairness – long term deals almost always end up looking like poor investments at different stages of the contract. It’s far more rare to find long term deals that you can look at and say that it worked out great for the team.

  161. Chip May 18th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Chip -

    Don’t know how polite this is:

    “Ive also seen the majority of your posts be judgemental and threatening with little value to the community. Everybody you disagree with doesnt deserve to be attacked by you and your inflamatory and snarky remarks. ”

    Just sayin’
    ——————

    On the whole it was more civil than I would have been :-)

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    I’m happy with what he’s been doing the past few starts though. I haven’t seen him pitch enough lately, I’m too entrenched in the playoffs right now to worry about the Yankees less than 40 games into a marathon of a season. I only choose to exercise cautious optimism with Hughes because he’s had a lot of ups and downs since he’s come up. Just my natural disposition at this point lol, but I’ve liked that he’s improved when he could have let the world cave in on him after sputtering out of the gate this season.
    //

    Shame, did you see him last night (your Swamp Boys didn’t play last night, did they? ;) ? He threw some down-in-the-zone strikes but repeatedly got shafted on those pitches, building a fake high count. It would have been one thing if Hutchison also were held to the same standard, but those were ‘looking’ strikes for him. Hughes went upstairs to then get out of the high counts, and so it went. He threw a handful of sharp curves yesterday (some didn’t break, but he had a few with real bite and diagonal break) and is consistently throwin his change (think he threw 10 last night), plus dialing it up to 95…. only the most dedicated pessimist, or a blind person would not see growth…

  163. OldSchoolYankeeFan May 18th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    I think there has been two schools of thought since The Boss bought the team. First-there is the “get the guy we need, right now and dump the underperformer” school versus the “let’s show confidence in our players and they will play out of their slump.” Yes-all managers engage in the use of the tired cliche-”it’s a long season, blah blah blah, especially with the press. As another poster wrote, we don’t know what is being said behind closed doors. I do think its safe to say that most ballplayers are self motivated and know when they’re not performing and will do almost anything to improve, that’s the major reason why so many players used the roids, there weren’t managers and coaches forcing them to use them, they thought they were underperforming and did it to keep up with the competition. So, my point is that replacing players isn’t the cure all for the problems the team is going through, but neither is keeping with the status quo. We’ll see what changes the players themselves make in the next few weeks.

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock May 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Hughes didn’t become the ace people wanted; he hasn’t developed quickly enough, and people are bored with him and want shiny new toys instead. Hughes, no matter what he does, can do no right by some.
    ///

    Fortunately, there are fans who aren’t invested in him failing, and who can recognize progress. Healthy, throwing 95, working in his developing change/curve combo, cutting back on cutters, getting swings and misses….all good. All great news, in fact. :D .

  165. jacksquat May 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Most people thought Hughes did well last night, so I don’t know what some of you in your little clique are on about, thinking you know better than everyone else.

  166. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    jacksquat, there is no clique. Read previous posts in particular Bret’s about Hughes. Or don’t read them but please stop the personal stuff.

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Anyone remember the year the Yankees were 9.5 games out of first and in last place in May of that season? They went on to win the division.

    Wasn’t 2009 the year that the Yankees were 0-8 to the Sux and lost 5 straight games in May? That was after winning 4 in a row and losing 4 straight right before that.

    This year we’ve lost Swisher and Gardner at the same time, both of whom were doing a great job. Our rotation has not yet found its groove, though Phil looked very good last night IMO. We also lost Mo and now DRob. It’s not fatal, but it has a short-term effect.

    If you don’t have patience, baseball is definitely a tough sport to be following. And if you get riled when the team doesn’t perform like marionettes, this is probably not a season you’ll want to stick around.

    Do you love your team only when its winning? Are the players garbage to you when they’re not performing? If you were on a team and were going through tough times, even though you were giving it your best, is that the kind of fan you’d want in your corner?

    Just something to ask yourself.

  168. OldSchoolYankeeFan May 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I can’t see Tex coming to the Giants because it’s not just the size of the park, but with the exception of 2-3 weeks in Sept/Oct, the damp, foggy air turns a lot of great home runs into routine fly balls. ATT is not as bad as Candlestick was, but not by much. Oakland-where he played before is similar for night games-cold. Can’t see him coming back, especially since he’s set up in CT.

  169. Purenyyankee May 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Start with getting Cervelli back here. He’s emotional and at least he’s not an automatic out like Martin and Stewart. A lot of this IS on Stump Girardi. He REFUSES to play small ball. Will not bunt, hit and run or use any strategy except stand there (the idiot even stands in the rain) and wait for a home run. Where has Cashman been? Hiding? This team is in complete dissray. They are an embarassment. They are completely UNWATCHABLE. And that’s coming from a guy who doesn’t miss one pitch of a game on tv or in person. Yes. I am completely disgusted.

  170. OldSchoolYankeeFan May 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    @trisha In 1976 when the Reds swept the team, I was stuck on a ship in the South China Sea, surrounded by Yankee haters (mostly Red Sox fans), now that was a long cruise-haha. If I can put up with that, I can put up with a slow April/May.

  171. GregD May 18th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Having Girardi rip the players isn’t the answer, what good would that do?

  172. GregD May 18th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    George spent a boatload of money from 1979 to 1995 and we didn’t win once, throwing more money at it is not the solution

  173. LathamJoe May 18th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    This Team needs a change in philosophy and, for the immediate future, a change in the General Manager’s Office. Extravagant long-term contracts which pay aging players beyond their diminishing skills, poor player personnel decisions (especially in the Pitching Dept.) and dumb trades have rendered the NYY as an aging “first round and out” team. The only Team in MLB with a $200+ payroll, you should expect more. Yet this modern day version of Rotoworld is second only to the Chicago Cubs in Cost per Wins. I’ve been a Yankee Fan for over 50 years, but even I am disgusted with these “Me-first” “superstars. Tex REFUSES to hit the opposite way, so the Shift will continue to rob him of hits. He still believes that he can hit over the shift by yanking the ball out – but he’s succumbed to age and too much weight loss. Swisher? At $10.5 Million, One of the dumbest baseball men I’ve ever seen. This team is full of players that try to hit the Homerun each and every time at bat – with the notable exception of Derek Jeter. And for all the fanfare given to Cashman for building such a “formidable” MiLB pitching corps….Who? Untouchable Hughes? Incomparable Chamberlain? Those future “Killer B’s” who have been hyped as the next coming of Koufax/Drysdale? (The other “Killer B” – Brackman – is gone now, unceremoniously dumped after he fizzled with a +6.00 ERA and a 75/75 K/BB ratio). The jury is still out on Banuelos and Betances, but they have to deliver on the playing field – which hasn’t nearly lived up to the hype.


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