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Pregame notes: “It really doesn’t matter where I hit”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc, Notes on May 21, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi’s been hesitant to make this change, and when he decided the time had finally come, he talked it over with Mark Teixeira.

“He’s been the focus of our lineup and if the other guys were hitting, he probably wouldn’t be a focus,” Girardi said. “I mean, there’s a lot of other guys who are struggling in those situations, some worse than he is. And so I just thought, he hasn’t played in three days. I’m going to move him down and see what happens.”

As Girardi explained it, Teixeira wasn’t thrilled, but he understood. When he met with the media, Teixeira seemed to have no problem with the decision.

“Everyone knows I’m not 100 percent,” Teixeira said. “I’ve just been really trying to grind it the last, well, really the whole season basically. It just makes you appreciate when you are healthy. I’d love to be able to say that I’m 100 percent and strong, but I haven’t been driving the ball like I should be this year. It’s been a rough go. It really doesn’t matter where I hit, anyway.”

After changing his diet the winter, Teixeira arrived in spring training convinced he was in the best shape of his career and in for a huge season. He said that’s part of what’s made this so frustrating — he got sick early, the cough has lingered, and he hasn’t felt like himself since that first week of the season. He acknowledges that the numbers aren’t good, and he recognizes that it’s been more than a week or two.

He doesn’t expect to be pitched any differently now that he’s hitting at the bottom of the order.

“I’m still Mark Teixeira,” he said. “I’ve still put up some pretty good numbers in my career, so I don’t think they’re going to just start under-handing it to me. I wish they would, but I don’t think that’s going to happen.”

Girardi indicated that the move might not last long if Teixeira gets his season turned around quickly.

“I said, ‘My goal is to get you back to where you belong,’” Girardi said. “Just (moving him down) to maybe get him going a little bit.”

• Girardi said Dave Robertson will likely join Brett Gardner in Tampa on Thursday. The Yankees are hopeful that Gardner will begin swinging and Robertson will begin throwing soon after arriving in Florida. Robertson is eligible to come off the disabled list either Sunday or Monday — don’t remember which — but that won’t happen.

• Gardner is expected to have an MRI either tomorrow or Wednesday to make sure there’s no damage still in his elbow. “I think we’ve missed Gardy,” Girardi said. “I think you can see the value of Gardy a little bit more now that we haven’t had him. Hopefully he is turning the corner with that elbow.”

• Eduardo Nunez has been placed on the Triple-A disabled list with a thumb injury. Manny Banuelos has also been placed on the Triple-A DL, but I haven’t heard a reason yet.

• Girardi said some of the decision to drop Teixeira had to do with the recent production from Raul Ibanez. “You could argue he’s been our most productive hitter with runners on,” Girardi said. “I’ve liked what he’s done and I just felt I would leave him there for now. We can evaluate it every day or every week, or however we want to do it, but Ibanez has been pretty good.”

• The tarp is still on the field, but the players are starting to throw in the outfield to get loose. Girardi said he expects to play tonight, and it does seem like the rain has stopped.

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138 Responses to “Pregame notes: “It really doesn’t matter where I hit””

  1. St. Pete Yankee May 21st, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    I’ve been waiting since last summer for Arod to be dropped in the order. Sixth is probably where he belongs, particularly if Ibanez is playing.

  2. Nick in SF May 21st, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    No, Tex, but it does matter if you hit.

  3. Against All Odds May 21st, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Translation: I need to use my Juice Press more.

  4. theREALkevin May 21st, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Trisha,

    People HAVE been patient with Girardi. I mean seriously, this is his FIFTH season. He hardly just started. There are plenty of legitimate reasons why people aren’t happy with the job he’s doing. Stop acting like he’s some type of God in the dugout and that he has access to a million pieces of information that we don’t have. You act like he’s indispensable. It’s just not true.

  5. NYY fan in NH May 21st, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Manny and Nunez on the DL. This team just can’t catch a break with health this year. Everyday you just hold your breath and hope someone’s not hitting the DL.

  6. Niblick May 21st, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    I think the correct word in the qoutstion included in the title of this post is “bat”, not “hit”. Tex hasn’t shown any signs of hitting this year.

  7. Against All Odds May 21st, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Remember when Mark first came to the Yankees he said he’s here to bat clean up lol

  8. RMS May 21st, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    This team just can’t catch a break with health this year. Everyday you just hold your breath and hope someone’s not hitting the DL.

    ——————————————————————————————
    Every team has to deal with injuries. Yanks have them, so do the RS.

  9. yankeefeminista May 21st, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Josh Norris ?@jnorris427
    …. Vidal Nuno is here from Tampa and will start tomorrow. Zoilo and Pirela are playing in EST.

    Josh Norris ?@jnorris427
    Tons of news: Mesa and Ibarra headed to DL with right arm and finger soreness. Heyer is OK, and will be back this season. …

  10. luis May 21st, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    ron May 21st, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    You know what is funny about all this ranting?

    If the yankees win ten in a row,and are in 1st place,the same people will be calling them the best team in baseball.

    It is all about winning,especially in ny,and you can make big changes with a team when it looks like there is no way out of a situation,or no way to trade a player.

    I would trade tex.
    If he can’t hit rh pitching,wich teams face 75% of the time,he is not worth the money.
    I’d also dh arod ft,and get another 3b.

    ==============================

    Ron,

    Tex can’t be traded at this point. I wish we could though.

    About the team, Even if they win 20 in a row i would say that this team has many flaws. The offensive approach in particular

  11. tucker May 21st, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Never a good sign when a player refers to himself in the third person.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    “Trish, what would you think if a Yankee Mgr. pulled a superstar off the field , at Fenway, no less?”

    mick, if he did something to deseve it, then it wouldn’t bother me a whit.

    “Trisha,

    People HAVE been patient with Girardi. I mean seriously, this is his FIFTH season. He hardly just started. There are plenty of legitimate reasons why people aren’t happy with the job he’s doing. Stop acting like he’s some type of God in the dugout and that he has access to a million pieces of information that we don’t have. You act like he’s indispensable. It’s just not true”

    Kev – :)

  13. xcv May 21st, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    a 50 yr old guy is carrying the team for teixeira and his $22M per contract. just great. so instead of him sucking at the 5th spot he’ll instead suck at the 7th spot. should just take the rest of the season off. can’t imagine any replacement will suck more than teixeira.

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    “Stop acting like he’s some type of God in the dugout and that he has access to a million pieces of information that we don’t have. ”

    :)

    But, Kev, sorry to burst your bubble, but he does. Every minute of every game, including how each and every player on the opponent’s team has done against each and every pitcher on the Yankees – and vice versa. Also, information on player’s aches and pains that you’ll never know about.

    Fans are on a limited need to know basis. Managers, not so.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    And I don’t know when I’ve acted like he’s indispensable. But I prefer to think beyond fan complaints.

  16. yankeefeminista May 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Banuelos = sore left elbow, according to SWB radio broadcast. Not good.

  17. Against All Odds May 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Josh Norris ?@jnorris427
    Tons of news: Mesa and Ibarra headed to DL with right arm and finger soreness. Heyer is OK, and will be back this season. …

    ———————

    Is someone playing around with Voodoo dolls?

  18. Jerkface May 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Every minute of every game, including how each and every player on the opponent’s team has done against each and every pitcher on the Yankees – and vice versa.

    We have access to this? Including strike zone maps, tendencies, and all that good stuff.

  19. yankeefeminista May 21st, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Odds, we have injuries in the minors every year, but it is too early for so many.

  20. luis May 21st, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    yankeefeminista May 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Banuelos = sore left elbow, according to SWB radio broadcast. Not good.

    =========================

    This is bad :(

  21. mick May 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    “Trish, what would you think if a Yankee Mgr. pulled a superstar off the field , at Fenway, no less?”

    mick, if he did something to deseve it, then it wouldn’t bother me a whit.
    =====================================
    doesn’t not hitting fall into that category?

  22. luis May 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Last year was really good on the injury front…I guess we were bound for a correction

  23. jacksquat May 21st, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Did someone say you can’t have too much pitching?

  24. yankeefeminista May 21st, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    luis, :( — keep your fingers crossed.

  25. Niblick May 21st, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Too bad Genius Joe, with access to all of that information, didn’t realize that Tex has been too sick to play. Maybe Genius Joe gets too much data, and can’t process the really basic stuff.

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    mick I don’t know your point. Just come out and ask your question. I’m not good at playing clue. Thanks.

    “We have access to this? Including strike zone maps, tendencies, and all that good stuff.”

    Jerkface, I would posit to you that nobody on this forum sits with all of that information in front of her or him and checks it out each AB. I would posit that nobody is sitting there when a manager puts a certain pitcher in the game and quickly checks the next batters coming in to see how that pitcher has done against the person historically. It would be ludicrous to think that the average fan watches games that way. But a manager has all of that info at his fingertips, plus knowledge of any aches and pains his players may be having (as long as they tell). Fans don’t have all of that.

    So my point is that managers – all managers – make in-game decisions on things they know that fans aren’t even thinking about.

  27. Bo knows May 21st, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Fangraphs has a article and video on Austin. Disappointed with his swing. The lower half is fine. Upper, he never drops into the set position.

  28. luis May 21st, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    jacksquat May 21st, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Did someone say you can’t have too much pitching?

    ========================

    The amount of injuries the team has suffered are beyond any reasonable plan.

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Niblick – I had wanted Tex to be pulled long before he was because of his bronchitis. I swasn’t happy that Joe continued to play him.

    But I don’t think Joe is a total waste and that all of his decisions are bad ones either.

    I believe that Joe’s real estate went entirely south for a lot of posters due to Montero. Same with Cashman’s.

  30. mick May 21st, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    you say tex shouldn’t be dropped in the order due to hurting his feelings but it’s ok to pull a guy off the field if it’s deserved.

    if tex isn’t hitting isn’t it deserved to drop him in the lineup?

    thought i was clear the 1st time…

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    “You can’t have too much pitching” is a mantra I hear coming from baseball organizations well beyond the Bronx. They either all know something or they’re all buying into a hollow statement.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    “you say tex shouldn’t be dropped in the order due to hurting his feelings but it’s ok to pull a guy off the field if it’s deserved.”

    I never said that so there’s no need for me to speak to your other talking point.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock May 21st, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    # tucker May 21st, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Never a good sign when a player refers to himself in the third person.
    //

    LOL

  34. luis May 21st, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Bo knows May 21st, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Fangraphs has a article and video on Austin. Disappointed with his swing. The lower half is fine. Upper, he never drops into the set position.

    =========================

    Yup, i read it…Still too early to tell in my view. He has done very well in team full of high end prospects.

  35. yankeefeminista May 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    “BUMPS AND BRUISES…
    Colin Curtis will miss Monday’s game with a sore hip after getting taken out of Saturday’s game against the Clippers. Eduardo Nunez has been placed on the 7-Day DL retro to May 20th with a sore right thumb. The Yankees have also placed Manny Banuelos on the 7 Day DL retro to May 19th with a sore left elbow. Catcher Ryan Baker has been activated from the DL. The active roster for the Yankees currently sits at 24.”

    Posted on May 21, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    http://swbyankees.mlblogs.com/.....-columbus/

    *********
    Actually, that is why you keep your elite position players, rather than send them in a trade for a high risk return: young pitchers’ arms are too fragile to take that chance with.

  36. mick May 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    just think where we would be if we hadn’t gotten soriano ?
    too much pitching?
    impossible.

  37. Bo knows May 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Never a good sign when a player refers to himself in the third person.

    ——————
    “I’m Mark Teixeira of the Yankees who makes 23 mil and you’re not”. I like arrogance, back it up. Else, it’s Senor Pompous, posturing.

  38. Jerkface May 21st, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Jerkface, I would posit to you that nobody on this forum sits with all of that information in front of her or him and checks it out each AB. I would posit that nobody is sitting there when a manager puts a certain pitcher in the game and quickly checks the next batters coming in to see how that pitcher has done against the person historically. It would be ludicrous to think that the average fan watches games that way. But a manager has all of that info at his fingertips, plus knowledge of any aches and pains his players may be having (as long as they tell). Fans don’t have all of that.

    So my point is that managers – all managers – make in-game decisions on things they know that fans aren’t even thinking about.

    But some of us DO look at the stats and numbers and the batters coming up and the matchups? You can’t dismiss complaints from people that do this by saying some fans don’t. Some fans also give no hoots about minor league prospects or the deals the franchise makes outside of signing the big name. It is often quite obvious why managers make certain moves, especially Girardi. If he is pulling some odd choice its probably because the player/pitcher has some weird small sample size success that he is banking on. That you might think this information is nebulous or somehow hidden from the normal fan doesn’t mean others cannot find it or think about it.

    Now the one thing fans don’t have is up to date injury information, but not many moves are made with this in mind and twitter/the broadcast will update on this information soon enough and then its just an ‘aha thats why he made that weird move’ moment.

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Who was the other guy who referred to himself in the third all the time? Wasn’t it Rickey Henderson?

  40. randy l. May 21st, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    “But, Kev, sorry to burst your bubble, but he does. Every minute of every game, including how each and every player on the opponent’s team has done against each and every pitcher on the Yankees – and vice versa. Also, information on player’s aches and pains that you’ll never know about.

    Fans are on a limited need to know basis. Managers, not so.”

    trisha-

    the problem with you supporting girardi and saying that the yankees know so much is you are all over the charts with what you say.

    for example back when the montero/pineda trade happened and kuroda was signed:

    “… I am now Kuroda’s biggest fan. I never substitute my judgment for the Yanks’ once a deal is made. I trust them implicitly.” -trisha

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....nd-kuroda/

    this was from kuroda’s last start:

    “Yeah, randy, Kuroda is the bomb.
    What a joke. A total waste. I had it right the first time.”

    so trisha, which first time are you talking about?

    you are all over the charts with your opinions about pitching.

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    jerkface, I seriously would put you in the upper percentages of someone who does that stuff.

    That’s why I said the average fan. I don’t think of you as the average fan.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    randy – I’ve decided to ignore your baiting. No offense, of course.

  43. Niblick May 21st, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Trisha – Cashman’s definitely, although I think his recent behavior (bartending in weird wigs, climbing down tall buildings, multiple affairs) brings into question both his mental state and his commitment to the team. As to his ability to evaluate talent – I think that has always been questionable. Joe is just too rigid, too formulaic (and lots of times his formulas are based on bad data – like extremely small sample sizes). Whether its from insecurity, stubborness, or something else, he just doesn’t seem to have the capacity to adapt to changing envirnoments – whether within a game, or as the season unfolds.

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock May 21st, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Manny down with elbow. :(.

    Wonder if cutter had anything to do with.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock May 21st, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Who was the other guy who referred to himself in the third all the time? Wasn’t it Rickey Henderson?
    ///

    He was one of those, but Rickey had….problems….

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Niblick, I don’t wonder about the trade for Montero – I guess that was in the works for a while – but I do wonder in general how much Cashman’s head has been able to be into the team when he has been going through so much on the outside – having a mistress and having it disclosed, having that whackadoodle turn against him, having his marriage totally fall apart.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock May 21st, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Actually, that is why you keep your elite position players, rather than send them in a trade for a high risk return: young pitchers’ arms are too fragile to take that chance with.
    ///

    +1.

    /toolateshipsailed

  48. Niblick May 21st, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    Trisha – if you aren’t able to comparmentalize, then you’ve got to step down (at least temorarily) while you get the rest of your life straightened out. There may be other factors at work here other than distraction, though. I’m no psychologist, and I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn, but Cashman seems to be going through a kind of midlife crisis that has him taking unnecessary risks – whether it’s climbing down the bulding, having multiple girlfriends, or trading the star of the future for a pitcher who had a half of a good season in the majors.

  49. randy l. May 21st, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    ” I’ve decided to ignore your baiting.”

    trisha-

    you said :

    “… I am now Kuroda’s biggest fan. I never substitute my judgment for the Yanks’ once a deal is made. I trust them implicitly.” -trisha

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201…..nd-kuroda/

    you seem to flip flop all the time depending on your mood.

    you are totally inconsistent which is shown by how you say you totally support the yankees with their decision on kuroda ,and now you don’t.

    so are you believing the yankees have info you don’t and thats why they signed kuroda, or have you abandoned your initial faith in them and believe that you are right that he is as you said ” …a joke. A total waste.” which you said about kuroda after his last start?

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Niblick – I can’t disagree with you. You may be exactly right about the midlife crisis. That’s certainly something to be said for that.

    I guess we need to watch closely.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock May 21st, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue May 21st, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    “You can’t have too much pitching” is a mantra I hear coming from baseball organizations well beyond the Bronx. They either all know something or they’re all buying into a hollow statement.
    ///

    The mantra, without qualifiers, is a hollow statement. Reciting it, without offering any qualifiers, means saying absolutely nothing of value or insight.

    That you need pitching to win in baseball is utterly basic.

  52. randy l. May 21st, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    so trisha are you rooting for or against kuroda?

    because of your conflicting statements about kuroda i think it’s a fair question?

    especially if you make about 75 posts tonight the way you did the last time kuroda pitched.

    you did say” … Kuroda is the bomb.
    What a joke. A total waste. I had it right the first time”.

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock May 21st, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    There may be other factors at work here other than distraction, though. I’m no psychologist, and I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn, but Cashman seems to be going through a kind of midlife crisis that has him taking unnecessary risks – whether it’s climbing down the bulding, having multiple girlfriends, or trading the star of the future for a pitcher who had a half of a good season in the majors.
    ///

    Ordinarily, I am leery of psychological reductionism, but I kind of agree. I said a while back that Cashman was going through something, which was clear by reckless answers you expect from like a precocious teenager with authority defiance. In them, unless they express it aggressively against self or others, it’s probably healthy. In a man in his 40s, it may also be healthy – in a professional environment or at the gym.

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