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When is A-Rod going to produce?

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on May 23, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alex Rodriguez was talking confidently after Tuesday night’s 3-2 win over the Royals despite only managing a single in four at-bats and striking out with the bases loaded and one out in the fifth. The Yankees’ 36-year-old third baseman/DH has just five homers and 15 RBI in 42 games, although he’s batting .276.

So when are the homers coming? He hasn’t exactly been making a run at the next guy on the all-time list, Willie Mays at 660. Rodriguez is at 634.

“You don’t have to worry about that,” Rodriguez said. “When it’s all said and done, my home runs and RBI are going to be there. And hopefully they’ll be big ones to help this team win.”

He helped the team win with his defense, throwing out Alcides Escobar for the final out, with an assist from Mark Teixeira making a big stretch. And he stole his fifth base in five tries.

“When you’re hitting like crap, sometimes you have to try to help the team win in other facets,” Rodriguez said.

He said he thought he found something in his last at-bat that he can build on even though he flied out to left. He planned to work more with Kevin Long.

There’s still an eternity left on his contract. So what do you think? Can he still be productive?

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176 Responses to “When is A-Rod going to produce?”

  1. Yankee Trader May 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Yankee Trader May 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 am
    On the verge?
    Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:53 am
    by Pete Caldera

    NEW YORK – A six-hit, 3-2 win over the Royals hardly qualifies as a sign that the Yankees’ woeful lineup is ready to turn a sharp corner.

    But Alex Rodriguez said he felt something in his final swing (he wouldn’t say what) that he could positively build on for tonight’s series finale vs. K.C.

    A-Rod was also aggressive on the bases again, with his fifth steal in five attempts, though he didn’t score. And he also fanned with the bases loaded in the 5th, after Robinson Cano (3 HRs in 12 ABs off Hochevar) was intentionally walked.

    “When you’re hitting like (garbage), sometimes you have to help in other facets,” A-Rod said in a jovial mood after the win. After all, he’d just converted a difficult grounder into the final out with the tying run at third – thanks, also, to Mark Teixeira’s stretch at first base.

    And Derek Jeter’s game-tying hit with the bases loaded in the 5th? That snapped an 0-for-12 by the Yanks with the bases full, an incredible stat. So is the fact that the Yanks had just one hit in their last 21 plate appearances with the bases loaded.

    But A-Rod says he feels he’s “about to go on a hot streak,” and that the team is too. They went 2-for-7 with men in scoring position after Monday night’s epic 0-for-13 in that category. ”It wasn’t pretty,” A-Rod said of Tuesday’s victory. “But it’s a good win.”

  2. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    “When you’re hitting like crap, sometimes you have to try to help the team win in other facets,” Rodriguez said.

    ———————–

    I love this.

  3. ac1 May 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    my only problem with alex’s comments is he still thinks he is a power hitter.
    accept you aren’t and work on hitting rbi singles and doubles….

  4. Yankee Trader May 23rd, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Yes he still can be productive, even if he doesn’t hit 30 or more homers a year. If he drives in >100 runs/year, mainly with RISP, continues to play 3rd base, stays healthy, then he’ll be an asset.

    Per his contract, however, going forward into the land of the new CBA contract, taxing 50 cents on every dollar above $189M, he’s a liability, in how the Yankees can stay competitive.

  5. randy l. May 23rd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    isn’t the bigger problem with the 189 figure that teams don’t get their revenue sharing back.

    i read somewhere the whole thing could cost 50 million if they are over 189 million.

  6. jackamir May 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 am

    What happened to see the ball- hit the ball. It’s all so complicated now. Simplify!!!!

  7. RadioKev May 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    ac1 May 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
    my only problem with alex’s comments is he still thinks he is a power hitter.
    accept you aren’t and work on hitting rbi singles and doubles….
    ——————–

    If Raul Ibanez can be productive/hit for power then of course A-Rod can be productive. It’s just a matter of getting him going again. There’s no physical reason A-Rod’s power is down this much, just a mechanical one.

  8. Yankee Trader May 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    If they are at $189 million or less for the three seasons from 2014-16, they not only avoid paying one cent in luxury tax, which would rise to 50 percent for them as repeat offenders, but they also would get roughly $40 million in savings via the to-be-implemented market disqualification revenue sharing program. However, only teams under the luxury-tax threshold get reimbursed in this program, which is designed to prevent big markets such as Toronto and Washington from receiving revenue sharing dollars, which in turn will lower how much teams such as the Yanks pay (as long as they are under the threshold).

    And even if they just went under $189 million for 2014 before going over again in 2015, the Yankees would receive serious benefits. They would get about $10 million in the revenue sharing disqualification program. Also, by simply going under the threshold once, the Yankees would go back to having a 17.5 percent tax rather than the 50 percent that begins in 2014 for them if they never go under. Keep in mind that since the luxury tax went to 40 percent for them in 2005, the Yankees have averaged paying $25.75 million in tax annually.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1vhP5XrUq

  9. RayVT May 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    RadioKev May 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    I agree!

  10. Yankee Trader May 23rd, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Randy-

    Posted the answer to your question above from a Joel Sherman article in the NY Post last December.

  11. ericns1 May 23rd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I wish the Yanks and he could agree on a buyout after this year – five more years of this albatross of a contract is only going to hinder building the next powerhouse team

  12. CCBiggs May 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Arod can still be productive, but not as a top-tier elite player to justify his contract. (Thanks Hank!) I think Arod can hit 25 HR and drive in 90 RBI. That’s still pretty good.

  13. Bring in the Goose May 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Count me among the non-believers.

    6 years is too long.
    I see Alex doing .260/20/80 for the next 3, then the organization is going to have to get creative.

    As natural a talent as Alex is, he is ridiculously mechanical. All this “working with Kevin Long” garbage. Tells me he’s thinking too much and already trying to compensate for a lack of quickness/ strength.

    I wish him luck.

  14. RayVT May 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Yankee Trader May 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    The Yanks are being singled out for spending money on the players. This truly amounts to colusion really as the owners agree to a one sided control of spending via an unagreed defacto salary cap w/o players consent.

  15. sunny615 May 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 am

    At least the ‘brenners were smart in decreasing his AAV over the term of the contract. Arod gets $29M in ’12, $28M in ’13, $25M in ’14, $21M in ’15 and ’16 and $20M in 17 so while stupidly high, it still doesn’t get worse at times goes on.

  16. sunny615 May 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    The only thing two things that I’ve read/heard about Long working with Alex on is his pivot foot and his leg kick. He’s not turning it enough to allow his hips to fully explode behind the swing thus decreasing the amount of power behind it. My guess is that his mental block is keeping it from happening and that he’s still in the back of his mind – concerned about that hip and knee surgeries. His leg kick issue was that he was bringing the knee back instead of straight up, forcing him to have to re-generate the forward momentum to drive the ball. Maybe it finally clicked in his last at bat. I guess we’ll see tonight.

  17. RSM May 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Al’s numbers are disappointing so far, but he is the only guy that looks visably bothered by it.
    Lately, he just looks angry and determined.
    I like that he’s showing some heart.

  18. Bo knows May 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Watching Granderson, Teix, Swish and Martin last night just boggles the mind on how they got to the Majors. The first two are spinning out, one swing for all pitches, the other two subscribe to “I swing really hard.

  19. longtimefan May 23rd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Arod was one of the truely gifted baseball players of all time, but father time and substance have caught up with him, he is not what he once was and again this high lights the problem with long term contracts–yes he can still be productive, he is definetely not the threat he once was and should be moved from the cleanup spot, the problem for right now is no one is hitting well enough to take that spot from him–destined to become a full time dh in the very near future handcuffs the yankees in other areas.

  20. yankee21 May 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I think A-rod is a 25HR/90RBI, .280 kind of guy. He is still a productive 3B but is not a middle of the order bat. He is going to be 37 in July, it really is incredible NY is still counting on him to be the feature hitter in the line-up. He still can reap damage but he should not be batting 4th.

    The problem NY has is they signed a player for 160 million believing he would age normally and be the middle of the order bat they would need to compensate for the age decline of Arod. Tex has not lived up to his contract and he is the root of the problem.

    If TEX were producing as expected NY could slot Arod in a different part of the line-up and lower the expectations of him that should be in play as any player ages— regardless of contract.

  21. Jeremy May 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Yeah I will give A-rod credit that he is trying to fix things and that he is frustrated. Tex and Swisher on the other hand just sit around and expect things to happen when there approach is horrible. Like Bo Knows said Granderson, Teix, Swish and Martin have such a bad approach that it’s a miracle that these guys are in the majors.

  22. Niblick May 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Let’s face it – he won’t, unless he goes on the juice again.

    His numbers were artificially raised by PEDs. And I doubt it was limited to the couple of years in TX that he has admitted to.

    The only good thing is that he won’t be in a position to pass either Aaron or Ruth, the guys who hit their homers legitimately.

  23. Yankee Trader May 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Have to go. Have a great day everyone.

  24. Yankee Trader May 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Still have to go but if he Doesn’t pass some of the milestones, the Steinbrenner’s save $6M/milestone.

  25. RMS May 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 am

    If TEX were producing as expected NY could slot Arod in a different part of the line-up and lower the expectations of him that should be in play as any player ages— regardless of contract.

    —————————————————————————————————
    Switch the names, same results.

  26. Giuseppe Franco May 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Jeremy May 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Yeah I will give A-rod credit that he is trying to fix things and that he is frustrated. Tex and Swisher on the other hand just sit around and expect things to happen when there approach is horrible.

    ———

    You have no idea what you’re talking about. You have no evidence to support your theory that Teixeira and Swisher simply sit around and expect things to happen.

    I’d be willing to bet that the guys struggling the most are the same guys spending the most time on the side doing various hitting drills and taking BP.

  27. jacksquat May 23rd, 2012 at 10:15 am

    We can’t say slu-ter anymore? Who’s the prude that complained about that?

  28. Wang IS Taiwan May 23rd, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Jackamire,

    Arod has NEVER been a “see the ball, hit the ball” kind of guy. You’re thinking Jeter with that line. Arod complicates everything…

    I love that his said he’s hitting like crap, but with 15 RBI so far, does he really think his numbers are going to “be there” at the end of the year? I think he’ll be lucky to get 80 RBI this year and 25 HRs. But who knows? I’m hoping I’m wrong.

  29. Wang IS Taiwan May 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    sorry — that’s jackamir!

  30. DONNYBROOK May 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    When asked about the struggles of A-Rod and TEX, Kevin Long simply says he is, “Not gonna accept that”. Long is avoiding telling us what he thinks, based on what he sees. He has been forced into a self inflicted variation of, “These are not the droids your looking for”, in order to not destroy whatever confidence these players have remaining.

  31. Wang IS Taiwan May 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Niblick May 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
    Let’s face it – he won’t, unless he goes on the juice again.

    His numbers were artificially raised by PEDs. And I doubt it was limited to the couple of years in TX that he has admitted to.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Agree on the number of years he was cheating. I don’t care about the records — what does it matter now that he’s an asterisk? I want him contributing to Yankee wins.

  32. Pauldanand May 23rd, 2012 at 10:28 am

    starting to remind me of a bunch of grumpy old men…
    sheesh

  33. Phranchise May 23rd, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Look he won’t be what he was a few years ago, but he can still be a productive player for sure with the occasional bursts. You can highlight any number of older players like Ortiz who looked done and bounced back. He’s stealing bases so tells you his legs and hip is good. He’s still batting .270 which is a lot better than many on this team. The only real question is is he a 25+ home run guy anymore and if he isn’t than you can’t really put him in at cleanup. I couldn’t tell you where he is best suited after that but 3rd or 4th it isn’t, 5th maybe. But Jeter looked cooked for a while too. It just happens. Consistency with age is one issue, but to call him completely done is another.

  34. muwarriorsfan May 23rd, 2012 at 10:35 am

    You’re seeing why Detroit was so happy to get rid of Granderson.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Bo knows May 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 am
    Watching Granderson, Teix, Swish and Martin last night just boggles the mind on how they got to the Majors. The first two are spinning out, one swing for all pitches, the other two subscribe to “I swing really hard.
    ///

    Yep. This is why a guy like Scherzer is able to completely dominate the Yankees in the postseason, even though he isn’t really that much of a strike thrower. At least Granderson has batspeed to burn, and we’ve seen him dial back on being pull happy before, so hopefully he can make that adjustment again.

    Swish is a complementary type player who has been kind of pushed to the forefront to be more. His swing is big a s s and despite a history of walking, he just isn’t selective enough. He passes up more good pitches than any Yankee, except maybe Gardner, who was able to reverse that trend in the playoffs and take advantage of being taken for granted in the post season by pitchers who assumed he wouldn’t hurt them. Tex is just a mechanical nightmare, and Martin? He’s the worst hitter that is a regular in the Yankee lineup I’ve seen in like, forever. Never seen a guy who is so consistently nowhere near making any contact on those air swings of his. I mean, this guy’s not even close.

  36. Phranchise May 23rd, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Are we serious picking on Granderson now? Tigers got rid of Grandy because he couldn’t hit lefties and they thought he lost it on defense in CF. Two things that have been corrected here.

  37. LGY May 23rd, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Granderson has an 883 OPS out of CF.

    Terrible. How did this guy make it to the majors?

  38. RayVT May 23rd, 2012 at 10:46 am

    I think the wick has turned for the Yankees this year and it happened last night. The Yankees found a way to win & Hughes lead the way. SOme things to feel good about!

    (1) Andy Pettite looks good. He fills the role as a #2 or # 3 SP in playoffs.
    (2) Phil Hughes is looking good. He fills the role as a #2 or # 3 SP in playoffs too.
    (3) Jeter has looked very good.
    (4) CC is still an ace, but he has struggled but will turn it around.
    (5) DRob will be back soon!
    (6) Gardner will be back soon.
    (7) Ibanez has looked great as a hitter.
    (8) Cano, ARod & Tex will get hot soon! (The thought of them all getting hot at the same time must scare opponents.
    (9) The Yankee bullpen is deep. Joba & Aardsma will be with Yanks for stretch drive &/or playoffs.
    (10) Nova still looks solid as a SP.
    (11) How many teams would love to have Kuroda as a #5 SP?
    (12) Martin can’t hit this poorly all year.
    (13) Yanks AAA & AA are deep with prospects that can help. (Especially Pitchers.)
    (14) There is an extra WC this year if Yanks don’t win the pennant.

  39. Phranchise May 23rd, 2012 at 10:48 am

    And Martin and Swisher are just losing their big free agency aspirations each day that goes by. Which may be part of the problem. Swisher has been far less patient this year. And can’t really say much about Martin, but I would much rather he concentrate on putting a solid swing in and getting singles. He’s 5’10″ and a bigger guy, but he has never hit more than 20 homers, this isn’t the best park for a righty, stop with the huge cuts. At least he is getting his walks. Swisher only has 12 walks on the year. Cano even has 16 even if some are intentional !!!

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Phranchise May 23rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
    Are we serious picking on Granderson now? Tigers got rid of Grandy because he couldn’t hit lefties and they thought he lost it on defense in CF. Two things that have been corrected here.

    LGY May 23rd, 2012 at 10:46 am
    Granderson has an 883 OPS out of CF.

    Terrible. How did this guy make it to the majors?
    ///

    That guy is a troll. He has never had one thoughtful thing to say, here. Red Sox or Mets fan, I would say.

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Ugh. Should have given Nick the take sign on 3-0 last night.

  42. Jeremy May 23rd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Giuseppe Franco

    Yeah I don’t know what I’m talking about. Well guess what, Swisher said he didn’t care so much about situational hitting with RISP because the Yankees are a “home run” team. Also Tex said that he doesn’t focus on all of the stuff/talk because the numbers are usually there at the end of the year.

    Statements like that sound like complacency. Tex has been getting worse every year since 2009 and Swish has a horrible approach at the plate and that hasn’t changed in the past couple of years.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 am

    RayVT,

    Yeah, they’ll be better. I thought the pitching had promise even before Andy signed. The excitement for me is watching Hughes and Nova grow. What needs to end is the black and white response to each start from these kids. They must remain constants in the rotation.

  44. jacksquat May 23rd, 2012 at 11:01 am

    I think it’s pretty obvious there is too much of the “just hit the ball hard” mindset and a overall lack of intelligent at bats.

  45. Jeremy May 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Actually I have to correct a statement I made earlier. Granderson has made great improvements since he became a Yankee but I wish that the guy would be less pull happy and try to hit to all fields. Other than that Granderson is not a problem and he is a major league ball player. It’s just hard to see the Yankees keeping him and Cano so it should be interesting to see what happens.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Swisher said he didn’t care so much about situational hitting with RISP because the Yankees are a “home run” team. Also Tex said that he doesn’t focus on all of the stuff/talk because the numbers are usually there at the end of the year.
    ///

    Jeremy,

    I don’t really put much stock in what players say the the media, but I think of those two responses, Swisher’s is the more troubling, since it’s philosophical. Tex’s comment just sounds like the usual sort of keep the press at bay, defensive response. In reality, though, Tex’s left-handed swing is more problematic than Swisher’s.

  47. Phranchise May 23rd, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Check out a guy like Albert Pujlous numbers the last few years. Tex ain’t the only one.

    Big AL
    2009 .327ba .443obp .658slg 47hr 135rbis
    2010 .312 .414. .596 42 118
    2011 .299 .366 .541 37 99
    2012 .213 .254 .333 4 20

    And he just got a brand new deal.

  48. Phranchise May 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I like Swisher, I think they need him to be the guy that works counts and does what he does. Yes he has failed in the playoffs, but he has been an huge support player on this team for a number of years. He is what he is, not a superstar, but still good.

    This year it seems like he got in excellent shape, put in work during the offseason, but he does seem hell bent on having a big numbers year whether that be to prove he can be a superstar and produce or whether it be free agency or something else. But he does seem to be out to prove something and so far is failing.

  49. NYYROC May 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Maybe for Swish & Martin the pressure of being in contract years is getting to them. Maybe making them try to do too much to get the big $. Too many hero swings.

  50. G. Love May 23rd, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Only on the Yankees do the “pressures of contract years” cause guys to play worse.

    On every other team, they have career years trying to get the next contract.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 23rd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Hey all! Just a quick drive-by to say that sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make.

    Remember when there were so many suggested trades for Rafael Soriano emanating from this forum?

    Just think of where we’d be right now if any of the lohud GMs had had their way. (Yes I know that if many of you GMs had had your way he wouldn’t even be here, but I still applaud getting him.)

    Anyway, the way things turned out IMO we’d REALLY be up the creek without a paddle right now if we didn’t have Sori.

    I love watching him pitch because he makes his delivery look effortless. I think we’re going to see everything he has to offer now that he has the 9th inning. (And here’s hoping there are many more 9th innings for a closer in the Ys future.) He really has some filthy stuff.

    Okay, that’s today’s contribution.

    Later y’all.

    :)

  52. DONNYBROOK May 23rd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    How many guys have we seen report to ST with the Charles Attlas bodies, and proceed to hit like Charlie Chaplin? Babe Ruth did Not have a physique that could kill. Munson hadda body right outta your local bowling alley. When are guys like Swish gonna learn they aint Jane Fonda peddling fitness videos?

  53. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 11:30 am

    “…and Martin? He’s the worst hitter that is a regular in the Yankee lineup I’ve seen in like, forever. Never seen a guy who is so consistently nowhere near making any contact on those air swings of his. I mean, this guy’s not even close.”

    I hate myself for it but I’m cracking up over this :lol:

    I really do wonder what people expected from Martin… I honest to god saw him as a Molina type batter. Now, I wish we had a Molina type hitter. And I’m not even talking about one of the good Molinas!!

  54. Niblick May 23rd, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Ray VT – have to quibble with #13. The Yanks don’t have good prospects at AAA or AA.

    Take, for example, the AAA position players. They have 5 whose OPS is better than the league average: Pearce, age 29; Dickenson, age 30; Mustelier, age 27; Cust, age 33; and Russo, age 27.

    As to pitchers, 3 of the guys in the Scranton rotation are Figueroa, age 38; and Ortiz, age 39.

    None of these is a prospect. And their true prospects, Banuelos and Betances, haven’t done well this year.

    The quality and depth of the Yanks farm system (at least at AAA and AA) are highly overstated.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Shame, he waved at the ball in that ALDS. He had a couple of good swings, finally, where he drove the ball and I thought well maybe he can go on a little run, but he reverted to form.

    Yeah, our old friend Josie has a much better approach.

  56. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I have faith in ARod. Why should I not?
    The season is only 1/4 complete. Very unfair to categorize a player as a failure or success
    this soon in the season.

  57. Out Pitch May 23rd, 2012 at 11:42 am

    If I had a nickel for every time he promised that his production is coming…… I have about $1.50.

  58. tampayank May 23rd, 2012 at 11:42 am

    “There’s still an eternity left on his contract. So what do you think? Can he still be productive?”

    somewhat productive but no nearly good enough for 30 mil a year

    One thing I just heard on ESPN radio which I never thought of being a possibility…if the Yankees are serious about getting the payroll to 189 a year, signing Cano long term won’t be a gimme with the Tex, AROD, and in the short term Jeter deals

  59. There Will Never Be Another Mo May 23rd, 2012 at 11:44 am

    The excitement for me is watching Hughes and Nova grow.

    _____________________

    I know. I look forward to each start and try to take the positives from each. It is been fun the last few times, especially for Hughes, and for Nova, even though the Reds game did not turn out with a win. I really hope for a nice low 4 ERA from both come September with double digit wins. And to think, Phil will be just 26, and Nova 25, they both could be solid contributors. I just hope Manny B is okay, and Bryan Mitchell seems to be turning into the face of the new crop of pitching hopefuls!!

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 23rd, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Oh yeah.

    GO O’S!

  61. RayVT May 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Niblick May 23rd, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Lucky 13.
    I tend to agree on some of the positional players, but pitching is still an asset there.

    Hitters – Pearce, Mustelier, Laird, (even Cust & Cervelli in AAA) – (Also, Romine soon hopefully)
    Hitters – Joseph, A&Z Almonte & Mesa (in AA)
    Pitchers – Mitchell, Warren, Betances & Banuelos (in AAA) (Delcarmen & Whelan & even Ortiz as outside chances)
    Pitchers – Marshall & Hall (in AA)

  62. RayVT May 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Hello Trisha! How are you doing? Still waiting to hear from you! LOL!

  63. Niblick May 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 am

    RayVT – my point is that these positional players are old and many (such as Pearce and Cervelli) have already proven they’re not major leaguers. They are not prospects. They will not contribute to the Yankees and they have no value in trades.

  64. Tar May 23rd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    IMO Recently Martin has had some of his best swings since he became a Yankee. I look for him to break out of his malaise and raise his anemic avg. My bold prediction he raises his avg to 240 plus range, before the summer is over.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    I just hope Manny B is okay, and Bryan Mitchell seems to be turning into the face of the new crop of pitching hopefuls!!
    ///

    Mo,

    Yeah, Mitchell appears to have turned a corner with his fastball command. Definitely one of our best arms on the farm. Haven’t seen what he did last night. Manny B, I am worried over. Maybe he hurt himself twisting that cutter or maybe he just came back too early from the back,or maybe…. frustrating!

  66. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 am

    JAP – I don’t dislike any of the players on our team (outside of Ibanez’s face.. I don’t hate the guy himself though I didn’t like the signing, but I do still have the option to hate his face. It looks like his chin is trying to escape through his mouth.), so I don’t dislike or hate Martin. I just can’t imagine him being any better than a .240 hitter. And I’d gladly take a .240 average compared to what we’ve been getting lately. Then again, if he was batting .240 he’d be one of our more consistent hitters so far.. but, ANYWAY…

    The last time the guy broke .280 on a season was 2008.

    That 2011 April fooled too many people. Thank god he didn’t want to sign that extension. My days of mocking the Boston catching tandem are over lol.

  67. lounge lizard May 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Per Klapisch, Cashman speaks and stakes out the denial high ground: “The GM dismisses the warning signs that others see, saying instead, ‘I hear the same thing every year. It’s like déjà vu. We’re going to get through this.’”

    I guess he can’t help the handicap that he wasn’t alive to see 1965 but I might have expected more of a nod to the recognition that “every year” is not the same because, if nothing else, the players are one year older.

  68. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Niblick May 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 am

    RayVT – my point is that these positional players are old and many (such as Pearce and Cervelli) have already proven they’re not major leaguers. They are not prospects. They will not contribute to the Yankees and they have no value in trades.
    ————————

    I put Nunez in that category as well.

  69. Poetkiosk May 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I think at this point its a question – Can Arod still produce?

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Tar, well he can’t stay this bad :D.

    ///

    Andy on the mound tonight. Every time I turn around, there’s a pitcher going that night that I feel will give us a good chance to win. Andy I bet will give us some length tonight, and we have tomorrow off to give the BP a rest. Phelps is fresh for tonight.

  71. austinmac May 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Ray,

    While I do appreciate your optimism and agree with much of your post, I think, without question, Niblick is correct on the prospect front. Their are no offensive prospects at all in AAA, absent Romine being healthy, and none in AA without huge question marks. I would be very surprised if either team has a position player capable of being a regular in the major leagues.

    Ortiz at 39 is a prospect?

  72. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2012 at 11:57 am

    There Will Never Be Another Mo May 23rd, 2012 at 11:44 am

    The excitement for me is watching Hughes and Nova grow.
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    Hughes looks like a totally different pitcher. Finally the kid has enough faith in his change
    up to throw 20 of them over 6 innings. I would not mind if he threw more and more.
    The change(off speed) pitches keeps the hitter honest and affords him the chance to
    get the batter to swing and miss. Nothing wrong with a swing and miss.

  73. JCPD May 23rd, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Oh yeah.

    GO O’S!

    ——————————–

    This makes total sense, root for the team if first place that the Yanks are chasing instead of the team in last place behind you.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock May 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    That 2011 April fooled too many people. Thank god he didn’t want to sign that extension. My days of mocking the Boston catching tandem are over lol.
    ///

    Nah, I never got his signing. Don’t hate the guy, it’s management I turn my wrath toward. It’s no one’s fault that they are on the team, so that’s a waste of blood and sweat. Ibanez was a guy looking for a job and he found one and is making the most of it: good for him.

    The Yankee catching situation is a sore subject with me :D. Yeah, Salty is hitting HR for Boston, although he has an awful swing and isn’t a good defender. I remember just last year we were making snickering jokes about Lavarnway, when they compared him to the guy we were all bragging about, but who now, is a curse word here, it seems… y’know who I mean? Yeah, Him.

    Oh, well. Go Andy. Time for lunch. Have a good one, all.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Hey Ray!

    Buried in my practice. Some days worse than others. This is one! Believe me, nobody hears from me when I burrow. Nothing personal, and you know that. :)

    *************

    “This makes total sense, root for the team if first place that the Yanks are chasing instead of the team in last place behind you.”

    Next time I’ll check with you!

    Though I guess if I were really worried about that Yankees making it to first, I would do it your way. Hmmm.

    :)

  76. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “guess he can’t help the handicap that he wasn’t alive to see 1965 but I might have expected more of a nod to the recognition that “every year” is not the same because, if nothing else, the players are one year older.”

    The biggest problem is there is no ML ready offensive depth in the mL, like Cano was in ’05 (unless they are going to make Cervelli the starting catcher).

    With all the money they have spent on paying over slot in the amateur draft since 2006, and on IFA, it’s hardly an endorsement of Cashman’s stewardship.

  77. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    With all the money they have spent on paying over slot in the amateur draft since 2006, and on IFA, it’s hardly an endorsement of Cashman’s stewardship.

    ————————-

    Too much time and money spent on pitchers and catchers.

  78. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “Too much time and money spent on pitchers and catchers.”

    There have been guys like Adams, Joseph, Sublett, and Suttle, but…

    It’s just more evidence that the team isn’t well run, and that they have been largely living off of Jeter, Mo, and the payroll, which brought they CC and A-Rod.

    There is Cano, Roberterson, and Gardner, but that’s not enough of a yield.

  79. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    With all the money they have spent on paying over slot in the amateur draft since 2006, and on IFA, it’s hardly an endorsement of Cashman’s stewardship.

    ————————-

    Too much time and money spent on pitchers and catchers.

    ——————-

    Which is actually a good strategy if employed properly… it should allow you to trade the excess pitching and catching talent for position players that you need but don’t develop without having to pay through the nose via free agency.

    Since young pitching and catchers are considered premium for most orgs, it makes perfect sense to spend as much time and money as we did drafting all of these guys.

    Only problem is, it’s only a great strategy if employed properly.

  80. charlestonchew May 23rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I am so, so, so, so glad that the Hughes critics now have to sit down and shut up. The kid has pitched very well these past four starts and I think he continues it throughout the year. The only thing you worry about with Hughes is his innings and whether or not his dead arm from last year could come back without adequate rest.

    Nonetheless, with Hughes and Pettitte pitching the way they are, we’re a few hanging Nova sliders and curveballs away from an excellent rotation. 12 strikeouts his last time out? holy crap.

  81. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    There have been guys like Adams, Joseph, Sublett, and Suttle, but…

    It’s just more evidence that the team isn’t well run, and that they have been largely living off of Jeter, Mo, and the payroll, which brought they CC and A-Rod.

    ——————————-

    Good point on them not being well run. Cashman stated he wanted to grow the pitching and buy the bats because it was easier to get hitting and pitching costs more/won’t hit the market as much. This was back in 06/07 but if you know pitching is getting locked up wouldn’t you realize teams could lock up hitters as well.

  82. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    The martin signing was good. It was relatively low risk and he had the capacity to bounce back into an all-star type player. The thing I liked is that it gave the Yankees a solid starter while they broke in Montero.

    Of course then they got all googoo eyed over Martin, didn’t call up Montero despite Martin hitting .100 for about 3 months, and then traded Montero while trying to extend Martin…

    It was a fine move for a guy with 2 years of control that they could cut loose easily. Just don’t go signing him to a long term deal…

  83. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    It’s good to see Hughes pitching better, but 3 of the last 4 games have been against KC and Seattle. I think the jury is still out until the big boys show up.

  84. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Only problem is, it’s only a great strategy if employed properly.

    “We’ve drafted like a crap ton of pitchers & catchers, I think its ready to start dealing these guys! What do we do?”

    “I know, trade our best catching prospect for a pitcher!”

    *forehead*

  85. tucker May 23rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    The Yanks really have not spent much on IFA nor the draft the past few years. Their top picks have been guys lik Bichette JR. And Cito Culver who signed at slot.

    This budget austerity has affected more than just the big league roster. And it has not just been implemented to meet the 189 figure. The 189 figure now gives ownership a goal to reach, but the team has not spent real money since 2009.

  86. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    charlestonchew May 23rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I am so, so, so, so glad that the Hughes critics now have to sit down and shut up.
    ——————————

    I don’t consider myself to be a Hughes critic per se, but I’m gonna still be unsure what to expect from him come spring training next season no matter how well he does this year.

    I like Hughes quite a bit, but when you deliver an 18 win season and then fall off a cliff for a year, people are allowed to take the wait-and-see approach.

  87. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Only problem is, it’s only a great strategy if employed properly.

    “We’ve drafted like a crap ton of pitchers & catchers, I think its ready to start dealing these guys! What do we do?”

    “I know, trade our best catching prospect for a pitcher!”

    *forehead*

    ——————————–

    Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.

    /Storage War’d

  88. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Since young pitching and catchers are considered premium for most orgs, it makes perfect sense to spend as much time and money as we did drafting all of these guys.

    Only problem is, it’s only a great strategy if employed properly.

    —————————–

    True I think it started off on the right foot because as you said stated it’s two positions other teams covet but IMO it almost turned into an obsession.

  89. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I like Hughes quite a bit, but when you deliver an 18 win season and then fall off a cliff for a year, people are allowed to take the wait-and-see approach.

    ———————

    More than fair

  90. G. Love May 23rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Martin seriously needs to fire his agent. Passing up a 3 year extension for 20-30 million is looking pretty dumb. Thinking he could get a 15 million a year average is laughable now. He’ll be lucky to get 15 million guaranteed in a 3 year deal.

    I think a lot of the exasperated look on his face we see is him realizing he threw away a lottery ticket in the recycling this spring when Cashman was dumb enough to offer him 7-10 million a year in an extension.

    Not to mention Stewie is becoming the guy pitchers want to throw to. If he catches Andy tonight, it’s becoming apparent that our better veteran pitchers want him and Girardi agrees.

    And I still think we should look to trade Swisher. He’s going to walk at the end of the season. Unless he tanks this season (which is possible) he’s still going to get 10 million a year. If there’s a team out there who wants him, we should get something for him rather than letting him go for nothing. I’m sorry, but his offensive approach isn’t going to win us a world series. Let’s get a positional OF or 3b prospect who is blocked in another organization for him while we can.

  91. tucker May 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    May 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    I like Hughes quite a bit, but when you deliver an 18 win season and then fall off a cliff for a year, people are allowed to take the wait-and-see approach.

    ———————

    More than fair
    ——–

    Clearly Hughes has found something wiu his “bullpen mentality” approach. He now regularly hits 94 or 95, but in the beginning of this year his fastball was a very pedestrian 92. I don’t know where he found that extra 3 mph and why he wasn’t throwing that at the beginning of the year.

    Anyway, his confidence with the extra speed has spilled over to his other pitches with a tighter curve and a change that he actually uses. It makes him a pitcher, not just a thrower. Thankfully, no cutter last nite.

  92. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN

    Heard from NYY folk that they think Teixeira’s swing was fouled up in his effort to hit the other way in spring. Now efforting on the fix.

    ————————–

    How is this possible?! He did not ‘foul up’ his swing this year in spring training.

    This is the type of sh*t that makes me think they either a) realize most fans are stupid/not paying attention or b) they really have no clue what they are doing.

  93. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Clearly Hughes has found something wiu his “bullpen mentality” approach. He now regularly hits 94 or 95, but in the beginning of this year his fastball was a very pedestrian 92. I don’t know where he found that extra 3 mph and why he wasn’t throwing that at the beginning of the year.

    Anyway, his confidence with the extra speed has spilled over to his other pitches with a tighter curve and a change that he actually uses. It makes him a pitcher, not just a thrower. Thankfully, no cutter last nite.
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    I am also very happy Hughes had added that velocity to his heater.
    Where was that before? Who knows!
    So many fans here have begged for Hughes to throw more off-speed pitches to keep
    the hitters off his straight fastball.
    Hughes finally started doing that and look at how many swings and misses he now
    gets as a result.

  94. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    “How is this possible?!”

    It’s an acknowledgement that he has declined and so he is trying to get the most out of his remaining skills.

  95. There Will Never Be Another Mo May 23rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    It’s good to see Hughes pitching better, but 3 of the last 4 games have been against KC and Seattle. I think the jury is still out until the big boys show up.

    ********

    That is fair. I will say though that KC has some competent bats, Hughes did adequate against the Jays, and the Mariners have given Darvish his only fits so far this season. But you are right, let’s see it against the other competition. I am hopefully optimistic that Hughes will hold up!

  96. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “Cashman was dumb enough to offer him 7-10 million a year in an extension.”

    Why can’t the owners see how lost he is?

  97. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Rich – That whole tweet makes no sense.

  98. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “Cashman was dumb enough to offer him 7-10 million a year in an extension.”

    Why can’t the owners see how lost he is?

    —————–

    Because the owners are the same guys that signed Soriano for a boat load of cash?

    I know this is made out to be a Cash-only issue…. but IMO, the entire front office is a disaster zone. Competing egos and ideologies.

    Can someone please let Hank be in charge again?!

  99. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Why Shame? He can no longer hit the other way batting LH, so he isn’t going to try (assuming he was).

    TBH, what makes no sense to me is how rapidly he has declined.

  100. jacksquat May 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN

    Heard from NYY folk that they think Teixeira’s swing was fouled up in his effort to hit the other way in spring. Now efforting on the fix.

    ===

    Clueless. :roll:

  101. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    “Because the owners are the same guys that signed Soriano for a boat load of cash?”

    It was reported at the time that Girardi was one of those who voted in favor of the signing.

    “I know this is made out to be a Cash-only issue…. but IMO, the entire front office is a disaster zone. Competing egos and ideologies.”

    The owners are staying. It doesn’t have to be that way with the GM.

  102. jacksquat May 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    How the hell was Tex’s swing screwed up trying to hit the other way (which I barely ever noticed him doing)? He has an extreme uppercut swing and tries to pull everything. His one hit last night was him again pulling a pitch off the plate outside and he got lucky to hit it solid and not into the shift.

  103. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    How the hell was Tex’s swing screwed up trying to hit the other way (which I barely ever noticed him doing)? He has an extreme uppercut swing and tries to pull everything. His one hit last night was him again pulling a pitch off the plate outside and he got lucky to hit it solid and not into the shift.
    ————————————————————————————-
    All of us have seen him take an outside pitch, pull that to the right side weakly. Sometimes he is lucky enough to get a hit and most of the time he’s not that lucky.
    Those pitches on the outer half of the plate should be taken to left field. Its that simple.

  104. OldSchoolYankeeFan May 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    He can become a productive hitter if two things happen. First, he deals with his mechanical issues and Second, if the hitters in front and behind him get more productive, then he may start seeing better pitches which will result in more hits and the upward spiral begins. I like how he has a good attitude and hasn’t let his lack of hits affect his fielding. Again-it’s back to the “patience” deal which has been addressed here for weeks. I feel like I’m in a slump just talking about the same thing over and over again. C’mon guys! Start hitting!

  105. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    “Those pitches on the outer half of the plate should be taken to left field. Its that simple.”

    His swing plane won’t allow him to do that.

  106. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    If Tex can’t think other way he has to atleast think up the middle. You can still hit an outside pitch up the middle with success. Its pulling it that is hit or miss.

  107. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    tucker May 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    May 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    I like Hughes quite a bit, but when you deliver an 18 win season and then fall off a cliff for a year, people are allowed to take the wait-and-see approach.

    ———————

    More than fair
    ——–

    Clearly Hughes has found something wiu his “bullpen mentality” approach. He now regularly hits 94 or 95, but in the beginning of this year his fastball was a very pedestrian 92. I don’t know where he found that extra 3 mph and why he wasn’t throwing that at the beginning of the year.

    Anyway, his confidence with the extra speed has spilled over to his other pitches with a tighter curve and a change that he actually uses. It makes him a pitcher, not just a thrower. Thankfully, no cutter last nite.

    ———————–

    Yes he finally ditched the cutter thank God. :D

  108. austinmac May 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    I have not seen Teixiera hit one ground ball to the left side. The only balls hit to the left are fastballs he is late on and pops up. BS on the working on going the other way theory.

  109. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Yes he finally ditched the cutter thank God.

    Ditching it and actually USING the change up have been 2 of the biggest moves for Hughes. His cutter was valuable in 2009/2010 but he really lost his ability to make it work last year.

  110. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    At some point, they may have to think about platooning him. If not this year, fairly soon.

  111. Bo knows May 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN

    Heard from NYY folk that they think Teixeira’s swing was fouled up in his effort to hit the other way in spring. Now efforting on the fix.

    ===

    Clueless.

    ————–
    Yep, in spades. The guy was full value for his contract – and then bought into the OPS shtick. HRs and walks. Bloody paper power.

    You have Granderson with an 883 OPS – sounds great on paper. Any quality pitcher worry about Granderson? Throw him one FB up and in and two offspeed pitches down and away, say goodnight. Hey, 200 SOs are just outs right?

    Hey, Adam Dunn is probably available – He’s got a 977 OPS. Only 64 SOs – prorated – about 250 SOs

    The OPS parameters are flawed.

    Situational hitting is on the back burner. Anyone ever do percentages? Men on second and third – swinging for the HR.

    How’s that working out?

  112. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    OPS includes OBP, which is a direct function of how few outs a batter makes. Lets not turn this into a war on a valuable stat.

  113. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Granderson gets on base and crushes his fair share of elite pitching.

  114. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Two things happened to Tex: 1) he became seduced by the RF dimensions; 2) his hitting skills are declining.

  115. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    “How is this possible?!”

    It’s an acknowledgement that he has declined and so he is trying to get the most out of his remaining skills.

    ————————

    When the Yankees signed Tex Brandon Tierney stated that Tex looks like a guy that won’t age well due to his body type. Who knew the decline would occur at age 32.

  116. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    http://filesmelt.com/dl/melk.gif

    Nasty throw by Melky in last night’s game.

  117. MoRings42 May 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Until he starts hitting with power, he should be out of the clean up spot. I’d stick him as the #2. Bump up Grandy and have Cano cleanup. I know it’s a righty righty but who cares, they’re good enough hitters.

  118. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    http://filesmelt.com/dl/melk.gif

    Nasty throw by Melky in last night’s game.
    ————————————————————————
    I think that throw was the opening act.
    Look where Posey is positioned? Johnny Bench is rolling his eyes right
    now.

  119. Bronx Jeers May 23rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    “When the Yankees signed Tex Brandon Tierney stated that Tex looks like a guy that won’t age well due to his body type. ”

    ———————————————————-

    Juice Press says otherwise!

  120. Bo knows May 23rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Granderson gets on base and crushes his fair share of elite pitching.

    ——————-
    You see it’s all about the OPS – HRs and walks. I’m talking about situational hitting. For example, Call it the Yankees, men on second and third, nobody out – a SO is a killer because you walk Cano and you’re facing A Rod. DP and Oops.

    Where as that most frowned on in stats land – a bunt – Never bunt.

    A drag bunt scores a run, and puts a man on third and hey, properly executed Grandy is on first.

    OPS is boversimplification.

  121. ac1 May 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    At some point, they may have to think about platooning him. If not this year, fairly soon.

    ____

    Or just making him a full time right handed hitter.

  122. theREALkevin May 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    It’s true that Tex’s swing makes it DIFFICULT to hit the ball the other way. But no swing makes it literally impossible. What really bothers me is that he is obviously being 100% stubborn about this. Just one at bat, I would like to see him say to himself, “I’m hitting the ball to left field no matter what this at bat”. He won’t do it.

    And like Jerkface said, if you don’t try to go oppo, go up the middle. Tex gets one hit through the shift and it’s a curse because then he tries to do it a million more times in a row. He refuses to change his approach at all, even to try to go up the middle more. Outside pitch, pull it. It’s on the player & the coaching staff both.

  123. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    theREALkevin May 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    It’s true that Tex’s swing makes it DIFFICULT to hit the ball the other way. But no swing makes it literally impossible. What really bothers me is that he is obviously being 100% stubborn about this. Just one at bat, I would like to see him say to himself, “I’m hitting the ball to left field no matter what this at bat”. He won’t do it.

    And like Jerkface said, if you don’t try to go oppo, go up the middle. Tex gets one hit through the shift and it’s a curse because then he tries to do it a million more times in a row. He refuses to change his approach at all, even to try to go up the middle more. Outside pitch, pull it. It’s on the player & the coaching staff both.
    ————————————————————————————
    I was having a fine day up until now.
    I’m all fired up about Tex and his stubbornness

  124. RayVT May 23rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Niblick May 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
    Very true! I do think there are some guys at AA that can help positionally.

  125. theREALkevin May 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Another of Tex’s problems, and this one is more fixable in my opinion, is that his patience comes and goes. He’s always been a guy that has walked a decent amount. This year he’s on pace for like 50 walks. Way too low for him. He’s gotta wait for his pitch more often & drive it.

  126. xcv May 23rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    nice empty promises from ADud – hitting a clutch buck fifty with risp.

  127. theREALkevin May 23rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    In any case, I think the Yanks’ offense will improve. There are still some flaws in its construction but they aren’t as bad as they’ve been showing lately. The RISP stuff can get in guys’ heads. It’ll get better.

  128. Jeremy May 23rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Tex needs to wake up. Either he changes his approach or it will only get worse.

  129. Bo knows May 23rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    In any case, I think the Yanks’ offense will improve. There are still some flaws in its construction but they aren’t as bad as they’ve been showing lately. The RISP stuff can get in guys’ heads. It’ll get better.

    —————————
    Where is it going to improve. Any pitcher with a half assed CU disarms half the lineup.

    These are All Stars in the Majors. It doesn’t get any better. Are they willing to put their egos in ther back pockets?

    Unless they’re ready for a mental makeover, they’re done.

  130. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    I have to give Tex a little bit of a break because he has been dealing
    with his “cough” since the season began.
    That being said, he has to help this team with his bat going forward.
    He is very valuable to the offense and batting him 7th is a direct reflection
    on his poor hitting to date.

  131. Poetkiosk May 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    What is the relationship between getting hits with men on base and the mystical clutch hitting concept? Is it totally unrelated? Blind luck? Better pitches?

  132. G. Love May 23rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    That Olney quote is infuriating. They really think the fans who watch this dreck day in day out are idiots.

  133. Bo knows May 23rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    That Olney quote is infuriating. They really think the fans who watch this dreck day in day out are idiots.

    ———————–
    Shyster arrogance. Levine and co. Put a spin on it and fans will buy it.

    This is a preamble to “We’ll fire Long and people will swallow it as the rooot cause”.

  134. Giuseppe Franco May 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    G. Love May 23rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    That Olney quote is infuriating. They really think the fans who watch this dreck day in day out are idiots.

    ————

    Some of them ARE idiots.

  135. lounge lizard May 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    In 2011, Tex was doing very respectably against RHP until about July 1. Then he fell off the map in a very profound way.

    Tex and Swish wound up 2011 just about the same against RHP but with inverted half years. Tex good first, then bad. Swish bad first half, then good second.

    At the moment, neither can hit out of the paper bag.

  136. m May 23rd, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Hey, guys! Hi, trisha. :)

  137. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    In 2011, Tex was doing very respectably against RHP until about July 1.

    From April 1 to July 1 .236 .359 .533 vs righties, .258 .339 .536 vs lefties

    From July 2nd to present .218 .290 .366 vs righties .299 .356 .549 vs lefties

  138. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Lounge Lizard what else you got :)

  139. lounge lizard May 23rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    I’m not sure what you mean. JF stats show that Tex had a ~.900 OPS against RHP until July 1, 2011.

    Or is that what you meant?

  140. Bo knows May 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Hey – m decided to grace us with her presence – sorely missed.

    People were gearing up to set sail to the big island. Shortage of outriggers stopped them.

  141. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    I meant it as a joke that’s why I put the smiley face.

  142. lounge lizard May 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    cool

  143. m May 23rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Hey, Bo. Some of you wouldn’t have to look very far. I was eating some of those delicious burgers I’m always reading about.

  144. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Yea no harm just having a little fun. Ppl have been on edge lately.

  145. 86w183 May 23rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Get to take in the game at the Stadium tonight part of a quick visit to the city.

    Hope to see Andy get another “W” and several two-out RBI singles.

    I’m sure its reflective of the team’s play and the out of this world pricing structure… but I got tickets in the Delta Club Suite for $ 129 each.

    Paid more for my last Broadway show if I’m not mistaken.

  146. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I’m not sure what you mean. JF stats show that Tex had a ~.900 OPS against RHP until July 1, 2011.

    I’m giving the stat lines that you referenced. And I set it at April 1 but I think they started in March that year. So from March 1 to July 1 he had a .237 .361 .545 line vs righties. .906 OPS.

    After that it is a crater. 656 OPS vs righties from July 2nd, 2011 until present.

  147. MoRings42 May 23rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Tex has become Giambi pt2 but with better defense. You have to remember that Giambi used the entire field before he came to Yankee stadium also. We seem to turn these guys into pull hitters.

  148. lounge lizard May 23rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Yes, thanks, appreciate it. I was responding to AAO, may have been confusing.

  149. sunny615 May 23rd, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    any chance of the Yankees winning thenext 119 games in a row?

    {end humor}

  150. Tar May 23rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Hey m. :D

    Good to see ya.

  151. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Yes, thanks, appreciate it. I was responding to AAO, may have been confusing.

    Actually my post might have been confusing, I was just replying to you with more accurate data rather than replying to myslef. We’re in a fail chain!

  152. Bronx Jeers May 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    I’m sure its reflective of the team’s play and the out of this world pricing structure… but I got tickets in the Delta Club Suite for $ 129 each.

    —————–

    That’s a decent price as those seats go anywhere from 270-430$. Then again you’re paying for access to that club which was just re-done and looks quite nice with the patio.

  153. sunny615 May 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    weird – back when I checked the standings on 5/14 – the Yanks had a run differential of +20. Now it’s at +2.

  154. sunny615 May 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    the Yanks had a run differential of +20. Now it’s at +2.

    Which is the worst in the AL East by a wide margin. (Next being the Rays at +13)

  155. Dill Pickler May 23rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    To me, the bigger problem isn’t the lack of home runs — and it’s been two seasons since he’s hit them consistently — it’s the fact that ARod — and pretty much everyone else on this team — chokes with men on base. They can’t even put the ball in play most of the time with RISP, and they also can’t move runners. That’s pathetic, and you can’t be a winning team playing that way.

  156. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    The decline in HRs might hurt the Yankees in more ways than 1. It pushes his likelihood of hitting an escalator in a damaging year higher. The Yankees would be better off if he was slugging them at an incredibly high rate because he’d be helping the team atleast. If he misses any time before 2014 he is going to risk hitting 660 in 2014. Hopefully he stays healthy and hits the mark in 2013 (or this year but that would be a stretch)

  157. 86w183 May 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Bronx Jeers —-

    Lowest price I’ve ever seen. I’m sure its a combination of the factors mentioned above, and it is Kansas City, too.

    No matter, looking forward to checking it out and seeing Andy throw a gem.

  158. austinmac May 23rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    My view of hitting with men on base is that it is unlikely one can hit better in that situation, but pressure and overthinking can certainly make you worse. I suspect these guys are way overthinking and considering the consequences(booing, newpaper articles, radio talk shows)of failure.

    Thought and mechanics are all well and good in the batting cage or even on deck, but as Yogi once said” you can’t think and hit at the same time”. So true.

  159. 86w183 May 23rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    I’m pretty sure Alex’ “marketing bonuses” are NOT counted in the luxury tax calculations, just like Pujols’ “personal services” agreement. That’s why MLB and MLBPA got together to eliminate them from future deals.

  160. blake May 23rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    “Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN

    Heard from NYY folk that they think Teixeira’s swing was fouled up in his effort to hit the other way in spring. Now efforting on the fix”

    I actually agree with this to be honest…Ive said it before but I think that Tex cant really hit thr ball effectively the other way with his LH swing……so by trying to it messes him up from doing what he can do…..which is try and hit homers…..its not really what is ideal but it is what it is IMO ubless he remodels his swing.

  161. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    I’m pretty sure Alex’ “marketing bonuses” are NOT counted in the luxury tax calculations, just like Pujols’ “personal services” agreement. That’s why MLB and MLBPA got together to eliminate them from future deals.

    This is unknown, but the CBA specifically states thats performance based bonuses count. They just do not count against the AAV of the contract. The loop hole means that personal services contracts would now count in the AAV calculation, where as right now they do not.

    A-rod’s HR milestones should count in the year they are earned, as the CBA has rules specifically citing things like this and that MLB can make them count if they find a contract was built to avoid the luxury tax.

  162. austinmac May 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Cashman’s job will ultimately be on the line when the team’s play causes a significant decline in attendance and in other revenue. Hal will not be happy about that.

    I do believe that is starting to happen. It could turn around, but to do so the team will have to turn it around by playing well.

    While I know virtually nothing about the Yankee finances, I expect a 20% decline of atttendance, sales and tv viewership would cost the team far more than the savings they hope to achieve.

    George, for all his faults, knew fan excitement and interest makes a ton of money.

  163. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Isn’t there a bat they can add somewhere by moving Martin, Swisher, and a fungible pitcher. It won’t be an impact bat, but maybe it makes them a little better.

  164. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    blake

    That could be, but what explains his RH decline?

    If it’s illness, then both him and Girardi are fools.

  165. LGY May 23rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Bo knows May 23rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    Granderson gets on base and crushes his fair share of elite pitching.

    ——————-
    You see it’s all about the OPS – HRs and walks. I’m talking about situational hitting. For example, Call it the Yankees, men on second and third, nobody out – a SO is a killer because you walk Cano and you’re facing A Rod. DP and Oops.

    Where as that most frowned on in stats land – a bunt – Never bunt.

    A drag bunt scores a run, and puts a man on third and hey, properly executed Grandy is on first.

    OPS is boversimplification.

    ——-

    In productive out situations Granderson is successful 33% of the time. League average is 30%, so the strikeouts haven’t stopped him from being better than average in that category.

  166. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Basically you have the money the player earns in each year, that is the AAV. Its guaranteed years + player options / # of years total. Bonuses that adjust the contract are assessed in the year they are earned, and do not affect the AAV. Luxury tax is based on the AAV+any bonuses/money changes in that year.

    Before the loop hole was closed a team could potentially make savvy use of things to adjust their luxury tax hit year to year with escalators and bonuses. They had already partially closed this by not allowing contracts to have milestones based on stats, but now its fully closed.

  167. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Basically given the current wording of the CBA I don’t believe anyone who says A-rod’s HRs will not count in the year they are earned.

  168. blake May 23rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Alex will be ok…..hes not what he used to be because hes 37 years old….the Yanks shouldnt be asking a 37 year old to be the primary run producer…..he should be a very nice complimentary piece at this stage…..problem is the “the offense is fine” sticking their heads in the sand for the last couple of years has made it to wherr they still need him to be Prime Alex….

  169. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Unless Bud Selig or someone himself says it.

  170. blake May 23rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    “That could be, but what explains his RH decline?”

    Small sample and maybe his illness…..he hit LHP very well last year..

  171. m May 23rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Hey, Tar. I’ve been out of the loop, but I know that we’ve slid back a bit.

    The good news is that we’re not far off in the loss column.

    Any news on Gardner?

  172. 86w183 May 23rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    I’m not sure jerkface, because performance bonuses in terms of HR were banned from the CBA years and years ago.

    Therefore it was contracted as a “marketing bonus” which is outside the CBA. Perhaps MLB should not have approved the contract because it was an obviousl attempt to bypass the CBA ban on statistical milestone bonuses, but it did get approved.

    Similarly Pujols’ “personal services” seasons will not be counted in luxury tax calculations.

    No future contracts will include any such clauses.

  173. 86w183 May 23rd, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    time for a beverage or ten in the Delta Suite… and hopefully a “W”

    have a great night all!

  174. jacksquat May 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    blake May 23rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    “Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN

    Heard from NYY folk that they think Teixeira’s swing was fouled up in his effort to hit the other way in spring. Now efforting on the fix”

    I actually agree with this to be honest…Ive said it before but I think that Tex cant really hit thr ball effectively the other way with his LH swing……so by trying to it messes him up from doing what he can do…..which is try and hit homers…..its not really what is ideal but it is what it is IMO ubless he remodels his swing.

    Makes no sense at all because he hasn’t been trying to hit the ball the other way at all. He tries to pull everything. Has been since the season started as far as I can remember. He has the same old swing and approach he has had for years. Nothing in spring training changed anything.

  175. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    I’m not sure jerkface, because performance bonuses in terms of HR were banned from the CBA years and years ago.

    Therefore it was contracted as a “marketing bonus” which is outside the CBA. Perhaps MLB should not have approved the contract because it was an obviousl attempt to bypass the CBA ban on statistical milestone bonuses, but it did get approved.

    There is a difference between something affecting the AAV of a contract and a performance bonus. This is the distinction between A-rod’s milestones and the personal services contract. And the CBA has specific wording that reflects this difference and how MLB can take action.

    The team should be operating with the assumption that the bonuses will count in the year they are earned, like every other bonus ever. A personal services contract is not a bonus with a criteria.

  176. Jerkface May 23rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    The loop hole being closed specifically addresses the marketing contracts as not being ‘guaranteed money’, but club options & bonuses based on PA/GF/Games Started are not guaranteed money either, but are due when they are earned.

    Presumably MLB would want the 30 million dollars or whatever that is A-rod’s ‘marketing contract’ to count in the specific AAV calculation which would then affect every year of the deal (remember regardless of what a-rod is paid per year for luxury tax purposes he counts as 27.5).

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