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Minor league notes: Mustelier hitting his way onto the radar

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 24, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees offense spent the past week and a half struggling to drive in runs, and in that time, it became obvious that the organization had no one tucked away in Triple-A who could provide an immediate and definite spark. Steve Pearce is hitting for power and driving in runs, but his big league track record is underwhelming. Kevin Russo is hitting for average and playing all over the field, but he’s more of a useful utility man than an offensive catalyst.

Then there’s Ronnier Mustelier.

“He doesn’t have much time in U.S. baseball yet, but he can hit,” vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman said.

Time might prove that Mustelier is an unknown for a reason. After all, he’s 27 years old with barely 300 at-bats in the United States, but the Cuban utility man is hitting .313/.347/.522 with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He put up a similar slash line in his U.S. debut last summer, then the Yankees sent him to the Arizona Fall League this offseason, and they were quick to promote him from Double-A to Triple-A this month. He’s played second base, third base and all three outfield positions.

In some ways, Mustelier’s rise reminds me of Alfredo Aceves in 2008: He’s a little old for a prospect, but he has experience in another country and he’s moving very quickly through the system. When Aceves made his Triple-A debut, he was two years younger than Mustelier is today, but the point remains. Some of these off-the-radar guys can emerge to be real big league role players, and so far, Mustelier is making his case.

“He wasn’t one of those high-profile signees that everybody writes about and talks about,” Newman said. “… He’s got some things to learn, he’s got some skills to polish, but he’s got some ability. I think he can help.”

Manny Banuelos and Jose Campos are both on the disabled list because of elbow injuries, but the Yankees aren’t sure yet whether the situations are similar. Banuelos still has more tests planned. “They both have to do with the elbow pain or discomfort or whatever,” Newman said. “But I don’t know that they come about from the same reason. … There’s always concern. I wouldn’t say there’s more or less with either.”

• The Yankees know more about the Campos injury than the Banuelos injury, so they can say more about it. Newman said he’s encouraged by the fact Campos has no problem with the ligament, which mean it doesn’t currently look like a Tommy John risk. No word on when Campos will be able to pitch again. His last start was April 28.

• Center fielder Slade Heathcott is progressing after shoulder surgery, but he’s still not playing the field in extended spring training. Heathcott is strictly a DH because the Yankees don’t want him to go overboard trying to make throws from the outfield. “But he’s swinging the bat well,” Newman said. “Looks like he hasn’t skipped a beat since the last time I saw him.”

• Newman guessed that Heathcott is still three to four weeks away from joining the Tampa roster. He’s playing in games, but that doesn’t mean he’s close to being activated.

• Another center field prospect, Ravel Santana, is also making progress but remains several weeks away from joining an active roster. Santana has recovered from his foot injury and he’s playing in extended spring training — he was shut down for about a week because of a stomach problem — but the Yankees still plan to have him join short-season Staten Island. It’s unlikely he’ll go anywhere before that season starts.

• I might write a little more about this tomorrow while we’re waiting for that late-night West Coast game, but I don’t know that I’ve ever heard Newman more upbeat about a player than he was Mark Montgomery who continues to dominate out of the Tampa bullpen. He’s 7-for-7 in save opportunities with 34 strikeouts and seven walks in 21.2 innings. One of those walks was intentional. “This guy is worth paying attention to,” Newman said. Montgomery was an 11th-round draft pick last year, but based on the way the Yankees have treated some other college relievers, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Montgomery pushed to Double-A soon. In fact, I’ll be surprised if he’s not. He has fast-mover written all over him.

• Another name Newman is excited about — can’t be surprised by this one — is Charleston right fielder Tyler Austin. He’s working on an eight-game hitting streak right now, which is somewhat hiding the fact he’s struggled a little bit in the month of May. Overall, though, Austin is hitting .287/.353/.647 with a league-leading 13 homers, and Newman says the move to right field is going “very well,” noting that Austin runs well and has a strong arm.

• Two of Austin’s teammates aren’t enjoying the same success. Former top picks Cito Culver and Dante Bichette Jr. are off to slow starts in Charleston. Culver has 11 steals and a solid .343 on-base percentage, but he’s hitting just .221 with no real power. Bichette is hitting just .235 and still waiting for his first home run. “(Bichette)’s adjusting to the league,” Newman said. “He’s a young guys and he will adjust. He’s hitting better week by week. … We’re looking at the process. Those guys are going to be good players. We don’t take their temperature every three weeks.”

• When I asked Newman for an upper-level player who’s caught his attention lately, I didn’t expect Melky Mesa to be his answer. But sure enough, though, Mesa’s hitting .274 this month and he’s still showing good power for a guy who can run and play a good center field.

• Once considered a pretty big prospect with the Padres, Matt Antonelli has reported to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre after being claimed off waivers over the weekend. He played all four infield positions and a little left field with Norfolk earlier this season, and the Yankees have used him at second and short, basically shifting Russo into regular duty in center field.

• Looking for a new set of Killer B’s? With Banuelos on the disabled list, Dellin Betances struggling and Andrew Brackman gone, feel free to focus on Brett Marshall (2.98 ERA in Trenton), Bryan Mitchell (2.53 ERA and a .192 opponents batting average in Charleston) and Mikey O’Brien (an under-the-radar guy who allowed one run on three hits through seven innings in his Double-A debut last week).

• Notable player moves: Manny Delcarmen has come off the Triple-A disabled list, and he’s still pitching extremely well with a 0.95 WHIP. The Yankees seem to really like Cody Eppley‘s ability to get ground balls against right-handers, but Delcarmen’s doing enough to be on the radar. … Caleb Cotham has been promoted from Charleston to Tampa, and he allowed one run through six innings in his High-A debut. He had a 2.31 ERA through eight Low-A starts. … After opening the season in extended spring training because of an injury (I honestly don’t remember what it was) Matt Tracy jumped straight into the Tampa rotation last week. He’s allowed one earned run through his first two starts. Quite a few base-runners on Saturday, but still not bad for his first taste of full-season hitters. … Also out of extended spring training, Evan Rutckyj has joined the Charleston rotation and pitched five shutout innings in his debut on Sunday. He gave up two hits, no walks and struck out eight.

• I can’t tell you one thing about Francisco Arcia. I remember seeing him this spring because I remember talking to Patrick Teale about him, but I’ve never mentioned his name to a single person in the organization. All I know is this: He’s the backup catcher in Charleston and he’s hitting .442/.500/.769 through 52 at-bats. Gary Sanchez is the starter down there, and he’s also been terrific, so it doesn’t seem likely that Arcia is pushing for an everyday job. I will say this, again, knowing no specifics of the situation: There’s always a reason a player isn’t given regular playing time. If the Yankees believed Arcia were really this kind of hitter, he’d be playing every day somewhere.

• Finally, here’s a comparison you’ll probably like. The Yankees top starting pitcher in High-A has been lefty Nik Turley, the former 50th-round pick who has a 3.05 ERA with 45 strikeouts through eight starts. “He’s a big, strong guy,” Newman said. “Kind of built like Andy Pettitte, and he does a lot of things like Andy did when Andy was a young guy.” Among those similarities, Newman said, were Turley’s work-ethic and general good-guy persona. Turns out, Pettitte and Turley actually worked together quite a bit while Pettitte was down in Tampa earlier this season.

Associated Press photo of Mustelier, headshots of Campos, Banuelos,

 
 

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117 Responses to “Minor league notes: Mustelier hitting his way onto the radar”

  1. jacksquat May 24th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Campos problem not the ligament. That’s good.

  2. jacksquat May 24th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    AndrewMarchand I have A-Rod and Tex with D’s. Jeter and CC with A’s. What grades would give all the Yanks?

    This guy just won’t get off Arod’s back. Equating Arod with Tex???

  3. blake May 24th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    I give Marshand an F.

    Going out for the night…. Medevil Times with kids….Yay! Have fun all.

  4. blake May 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Medieval*

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    conundrum: when fans all have the “right answer” but their “right answer” varies!

    :D

    Carry on.

  6. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Mesa and Turley are now on the DL. Turley is really young and may yet outgrow his nagging injuries and blister issues.

    Montgomery picked up a save and a (shocker) strikeout today in a third of an inning. Tracy pitched today and a bit wild, allowing 3 hits in 6 innings, but only 1 after the first. He did walk 5 with 5 strikeiyrs. One player to watch is Rob Segedin. he’s got the power and runs well. Defense at 1st, 3rd and right field is shakey…..but great arm.

  7. Jerkface May 24th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    conundrum: when fans all have the “right answer” but their “right answer” varies!

    This is just life.

  8. Jerkface May 24th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    If you’re content to just go a long with whatever the Yankees do, why mix it up with people that want to go further in discussing the moves the Yankees make?

  9. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Trenton DL’s Daniel Brewer and activate Jose Pirela and “Zorro” Almonte.

  10. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    If you’re content to just go a long with whatever the Yankees do, why mix it up with people that want to go further in discussing the moves the Yankees make?
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    where does it get you?

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    jerkface, I absolutely don’t think discussing it or having an opinion is bad. What I think is bad is when one gets battered for having an opinion by any grouping that has decided they have the holy grail version of everything.

    I’m in the vast vast minority in terms of believing the Soriano signing was a good one, even in terms of the contract terms. I understand others who think the money could have been better spent. I respect different ways of looking at things, no matter where I come down on it.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Hey mick!

  13. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    g morning trish

  14. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    I’m in the vast vast minority in terms of believing the Soriano signing was a good one
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    cant have enough….

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    :)

    I think things are looking up in Yankeeland.

  16. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    where has mister tom been?

  17. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    ya ya yankees…

  18. Jerkface May 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    jerkface, I absolutely don’t think discussing it or having an opinion is bad. What I think is bad is when one gets battered for having an opinion by any grouping that has decided they have the holy grail version of everything.

    People only get ‘battered’ if they enter into a debate/argument/discussion about it. And the battered side is implicit in this. People generally get into arguments or debates when they disagree, so of course the against side thinks their version is correct, they wouldn’t be debating otherwise (unless they are trolling). So I don’t think the above statement really carries much weight.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “cant have enough….”

    That’s a bingo for me. And even moreso in terms of the way things have played out this season.

  20. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    i needed a hiatus , it seems to have calmed down.

  21. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    soriano as our closer the rest of this year should be a godsend.

  22. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    weight is in the eye of the beholder

  23. Jerkface May 24th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    weight is in the eye of the beholder

    Nah weight is judged by an impartial scale.

  24. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    So I don’t think the above statement really carries much weight.
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    Nah weight is judged by an impartial scale.
    ===========================
    most people here are very partial.

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    jerkface, don’t agree whatsoever. I would say that the majority of the posters on this forum speak their mind and are willing to listen to what someone else has to say. Then there are some who almost spit in your face if you have a different opinion from theirs and end up telling you that you don’t know anything about baseball or generally demean opinions different from theirs.

    That I don’t like.

  26. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    hen there are some who almost spit in your face if you have a different opinion from theirs and end up telling you that you don’t know anything about baseball or generally demean opinions different from theirs.
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    that is their own personal baggage.

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    “that is their own personal baggage.”

    I’m thinking you’re right.

  28. mick May 24th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    robo as the setup man is more natural to him
    sori to close.
    pick up another , maybe aardsma.
    with 5 reliable starters and hitting that WILL heat up, we will take the division.

  29. Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Tricia……It’s the absolutism comments / opinions here that becomes frustrating

  30. mick May 24th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    we need to have cc and andy back to back, hughes is looking like #3, with kuroda and nova 4 & 5.
    maybe after the allstar break.

  31. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    Tricia……It’s the absolutism comments / opinions here that becomes frustrating

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    Absolutely.

    sorry Pat…couldn’t resist it.

  32. mick May 24th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Tricia……It’s the absolutism comments
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    pat m…doesn’t have to be, you do it ;)

  33. Jerkface May 24th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Trisha, I am in no way defending posters like Randy that tip over into crazy ville, I’m talking about people like Blake. Blake is getting ridiculed by GB7 (and chided by you) because he wants the Yankees to spend money in a way he believes is smart? You don’t care about the Yankees spending money, so why care about Blake caring?

  34. Bo knows May 24th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Yay, for Chad – giving us updates on just about all the important minors players. No acknoledgement?

    For shame I say. Sing out by the numbers, good stuff Chad.

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Pat M – that’s exactly what I’m talking about. And then when it’s coupled with nasty shots, it really becomes unbearable.

  36. austinmac May 24th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Tricia and Pat M.,

    I feel I know a good bit about baseball after years of interest. However, I regularly learn and think after reading here. The more one “knows” the future of a player or team tells me they know little. So many predicted greats, whether it’s team or player, fail. Others surprising succeed.

    Predict, yes. Guarantee, no.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    jerkface, I chided blake only because his response almost seemed to be poking fun at what I said. That’s not typical of him and maybe I misread it.

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Anyway, I have some worries here (real life stuff). Be good guys. Talk to you later.

  39. mick May 24th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Pat M – that’s exactly what I’m talking about. And then when it’s coupled with nasty shots, it really becomes unbearable.
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    why not throw him a curve and humor him?

  40. austinmac May 24th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Bo,

    I agree. Yay, Chad. It was very good information.

  41. mick May 24th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Predict, yes. Guarantee, no.
    ================
    i see their passion/frustration.
    call their drama/condescension.

  42. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Since when is coughing up $36+ mil for a Cuban rookie and $110+ mil for a Japanese rookie spending smart money? How is buying the high price FA players like hamilton and his issues or Cole Hamels $20 mil a year price tag, smart?

  43. mick May 24th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Since when is coughing up $36+ mil for a Cuban rookie and $110+ mil for a Japanese rookie spending smart money? How is buying the high price FA players like hamilton and his issues or Cole Hamels $20 mil a year price tag, smart?
    ==============================
    these options seem off the table these days so why worry?
    anyway their worries about these moves failing have taken 2nd place to the “budget.”

  44. luis May 24th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Chad,

    Thanks for the updates, good post. Kudos.

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    I don’t know what’s going on, but Blake is one of the most polite and nicest posters in the blog. He is very thoughtful and respectful to everyone. He should be a model to be followed in terms of civility and substance. JMHO

  45. Jerkface May 24th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Since when is coughing up $36+ mil for a Cuban rookie and $110+ mil for a Japanese rookie spending smart money? How is buying the high price FA players like hamilton and his issues or Cole Hamels $20 mil a year price tag, smart?

    That is where the debate comes in, you buffoon. You just argue AGAINST everything and conflate one groups opinion with another so you can grumpily dismiss the lot of them like a grouch.

    Were you for CC’s signing or against it? Were you for it after you were against it? Are you only for things that work out? You wanted Cespedes and Soler on the Yankees, but at what cost? A team like the Yankees isn’t built on penny pinching every move, so eventually some dough has to be spent, but maybe it is your opinion that a good team can be built with lots of lower risk moves. We can talk about that all you want.

    You don’t want to talk though, you just want to grump along rotofeeding minor league stats while misunderstanding sabermetrics and blasting good guys like Blake.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 24th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    I have no problems with blake, for the record.

    Bye.

  47. austinmac May 24th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    GB,

    When isn’t their risk in a big signing? I hoped they would pursue Darvish. Cespedes was too much of an unknown, but so far he is doing better than I expected.

    They do not have to operate like the average team. They can take risks and absorb them. They choose not to. It is their money and their risk if caution with spending ends the many years of winning. Their brand and their income depend on winning.

  48. Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    For the record, I also liked Cespedes and was hoping the Yanks could sign him……..That being said, I really like The Pacers + 4 at home tonight……. Mick, I think you’re the kind of guy that would be blast to watch a game in a tavern environment and toss a few drinks back……..Funny dude

  49. luis May 24th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Pat M,

    I asked you a couple of questions in the previous thread. Any thoughts about them?

  50. Bo knows May 24th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    GB7

    Grumpy – yes. Knows his baseball – also yes

    So I skip the grump, pay attention to the baseball observations and carry on.

    I guess I’m kinda partial to grumps.

    I think it’s in the rules somewhere “After x +1 years benign smiling is contra indicated so as not to be confused with senility. Studies have shown that a 40% grump factor should progress with the years to 70% at which point it should level off, thereby maintaining a positive equanimity.

  51. luis May 24th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Bo,

    I understand GB7, he has to face nurse Karloff. I would be grumpy as well in his place. ;)

  52. Cashmoney May 24th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    I would take a shot at both. especially Cepedes at 9 mil per for 4 years is acceptable risk. The issue the Yankees having now with limited coffer is having aging players tied up in big bucks and little flexibility. Now with new CBA .there is a real issue in procuring consensus talent due to their draft position and stringent across board draft budgets. It’s okay spent money when you were operating under the dif system. The only way under the New CBA for the Yankees to obtain premium talents are thru luck and more importantly finding undiscovered gems which require a strong scouting dept. More or less, a different way of doing biz in the Yankee land, and the focal debate point on this forum seem to be whether the ppl in place are apt to execute new strategy to keep the NYY rolling.

  53. luis May 24th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Cashmoney May 24th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    I would take a shot at both. especially Cepedes at 9 mil per for 4 years is acceptable risk. The issue the Yankees having now with limited coffer is having aging players tied up in big bucks and little flexibility. Now with new CBA .there is a real issue in procuring consensus talent due to their draft position and stringent across board draft budgets. It’s okay spent money when you were operating under the dif system. The only way under the New CBA for the Yankees to obtain premium talents are thru luck and more importantly finding undiscovered gems which require a strong scouting dept. More or less, a different way of doing biz in the Yankee land, and the focal debate point on this forum seem to be whether the ppl in place are apt to execute new strategy to keep the NYY rolling.

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    QFT….Very good post

  54. luis May 24th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Good story about Nova, it’s a must read:

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....tory-41576

  55. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    austinmac May 24th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    GB,

    When isn’t their risk in a big signing? I hoped they would pursue Darvish. Cespedes was too much of an unknown, but so far he is doing better than I expected.

    They do not have to operate like the average team. They can take risks and absorb them. They choose not to. It is their money and their risk if caution with spending ends the many years of winning. Their brand and their income depend on winning.

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    College pitchers after 4 years don’t get $110 mil and darvish, while he may be good, isn’t worth paying $110 mil for. I wouldn’t pay $110 mil for any minor leaguer and that’s what he was. Cespades is the same issue. talent? Probably but certainly not worth the gamble.

    It has nothing to do with whether “Blake is a good guy”. It has to do with his going off of the deep end on everything. If clowns don’t give it their blessing, he won’t listen to anything else, much like his handlers. And Jerkyboy, you can shove your numbers up B James kazoo. It’s his invention to scam idiots like you to buy his books.

  56. mick May 24th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    while i dont pay much attention to James and his science, some of it is valid, if you want to go deeper.
    it does sap the fun out of baseball talk though, making it more scientific and dry.
    condescension , thy name is gb, would that qualify him as a troll?

  57. Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Luis……..Ever since the new CBA agreement was reached along with the Championship window closing quicker than expected I felt the Yankee Organization is at it’s high arc in value…….Yes they make money by the handful as long as they win and get into October baseball….However October baseball is going to be a less guarantee moving forward and that monthly house payment is more than impressive……..Better to sell too soon than too late…..Besides, Hal and company don’t have the passion that the Old Man had……3 billion Dollars is a nice chunk of change, even with the taxes

  58. Nick in SF May 24th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    “conundrum: when fans all have the “right answer” but their “right answer” varies!”

    False conundrum, discussion can improve people’s ideas and opionions, and not all opinions are created equal in the first place. Plus it’s all talk here anyway, there is no expectation of a right answer emerging; the discussion is the end in and of itself.

  59. Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    GB has always reminded me of Sal ” The Barber ” Maglee…..Scruffy , 3 day beard growth and enjoys dusting you……But knows the game…..

  60. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    I don’t think hal steinbrenner and family lack passion. They are fighting the same thing George S. did in his last years. That was shoveling out penalty taxes to owners with more money than he had and supporting the system with welfare checks.

  61. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Probably the only one that may lack “the passion for the game” is jennifer steinbrenner. she content with living on the farm. Jessica in a society matron type. The Yankees give her that incrowd invite, but, she does seem to enjoy the show.

  62. luis May 24th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Pat M,

    Thank you, very good post. It is very sad in my view, but it is a reality.

  63. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    GB has always reminded me of Sal ” The Barber ” Maglee…..Scruffy , 3 day beard growth and enjoys dusting you……But knows the game…..

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    I prefer the “crusty” label

  64. Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    GB…..I meant to include the crusty part as well……Doreen says hello !!!

  65. Nick in SF May 24th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    “College pitchers after 4 years don’t get $110 mil and darvish, while he may be good, isn’t worth paying $110 mil for.”

    Come on, GB, you are smarter than that. College pitchers get drafted and then negotiate with a team, they’re not posted in a ninja auction the way Yu Darvish was. Who knows what the price tag for a Strasburg or Gerritt Cole or etc. would be under the posting system, when the posting fee doesn’t count towards the luxury tax? You and I do not know.

    As for Darvish’s worth under that system, the Rangers decided he was worth that, so you’re just wrong. They can look back and decide whether he was worth it when the contract runs out, no? But for now, they bid what they bid and signed him for what they signed him for.

    It’s cool that you don’t think he should have been worth what they’re paying, and maybe they’re crazy, but the fact that they payed it provides a concrete counterexample.

  66. mick May 24th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Doreen says hello !!!
    ===============
    Did she ever find the Ga. Pig?
    Pat M. thanks for the compliment.
    Not much of that here.
    We might have a down period for 2014-15 but the infusion of youth and FA/trades after that should bring us back for another extended run.

  67. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
    GB…..I meant to include the crusty part as well……Doreen says hello !!!

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    Pat, Crust is the best part. Doreen and her band of dollies were a great part of this place, Very much missed. a pity that they had to leave here because of a couple of stalkers and other undesirables.

  68. mick May 24th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Hal’s business example is not far fetched.
    The only thing to guard against is a few “possible” down years with age being a factor.
    Call it a transition period , we should have enough to compete without stripping the team, with the talent we have.
    From what I understand it’s only those 2 years of 2014-15 where we must get the payroll down, then we will spend again. Maybe not to the extremes of before but we will spend.

  69. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Nick in SF May 24th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    “College pitchers after 4 years don’t get $110 mil and darvish, while he may be good, isn’t worth paying $110 mil for.”

    Come on, GB, you are smarter than that. College pitchers get drafted and then negotiate with a team, they’re not posted in a ninja auction the way Yu Darvish was. Who knows what the price tag for a Strasburg or Gerritt Cole or etc. would be under the posting system, when the posting fee doesn’t count towards the luxury tax? You and I do not know.

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    It makes no difference. Whether they want to use Chinese arithmatic or not, it’s still $110 mil and $36 mil for an unproven minor leaguer. Once the bidding rumors got past the $30-$40 mil mark, it became stupid.

  70. Warning Track Power May 24th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Feels odd with no Yankee game tonight.

    Anybody else have that feeling???

  71. mick May 24th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    like jeter and arod we need a day off too…

  72. mick May 24th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    watch some basketball…

  73. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    John Danks on the DL with a sore shoulder. Damn, Cashman and his hammer has been getting around baseball. If he can’t have ‘em, nobody can,

  74. tomingeorgia May 24th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    mister mick,
    I’m around, but feeling poorly. Got to have the old gallbladder removed on Tuesday, which hasn’t done my disposition any good, but good riddance, I guess. Enjoyed last night’s game, can’t stay up to watch night games on the let coast. I’ll be hanging around, though. I feel not only crusty, but ornery as well, so it’s probably wise to limit my comments. Go, Yankees, whatever the budget is!

  75. Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    GB….Doreen’s departure was a major blow to this site and the Lohud has never been quite the same since…….Never participated in her guess the lineup but sure was popular here….As Bogart would say ” She was a Classy Dame who knew her sh*t)……Sad thing is many women left with her……..Good to see m pop up last night

  76. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Hey Tom.

    Feel better soon.

    No pork bellies for you for a while.

    :)

  77. Nick in SF May 24th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    “It makes no difference. Whether they want to use Chinese arithmatic or not, it’s still $110 mil and $36 mil for an unproven minor leaguer. Once the bidding rumors got past the $30-$40 mil mark, it became stupid.”

    It makes no difference that the example you gave, of college pitchers, has nothing to do with the system under which Darvish was acquired? Why not?

    What would Strasburg have cost, in your opinion, under the posting system?

    And when you said “it became stupid”, what’s your criteria for deciding whether what the Rangers paid was stupid or not? Or for saying what the Reds paid for Chapman or what the A’s paid for Cespedes was stupid?

  78. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    tom, the worst thing about the surgery is after it’s over and they want you to cough and get the gas out of your lungs. after that torture ends, you’ll be fine. a mart doctor would engineer gall vladdersm appendixes and tonsils out of the human body. They are like trolls. No redeeming social value.

  79. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Gb-

    “a mart doctor would engineer gall vladdersm appendixes and tonsils out of the human body. They are like trolls. No redeeming social value.”

    Are you sayin’ the good Lord didn’t know what he was doin’ ?

    ;)

  80. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    GB….Doreen’s departure was a major blow to this site and the Lohud has never been quite the same since…….Never participated in her guess the lineup but sure was popular here….As Bogart would say ” She was a Classy Dame who knew her sh*t)……Sad thing is many women left with her……..Good to see m pop up last night

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    yeah, that made it hard to cover from. I guess, it was because they were much smarter than they got credit for and when they didn’t know, they weren’t shy about asking questions. there were about 10 of them and they were downright funny. Erica and Erin with the Muppets, Erin and her Yankee gossip, Katie and her love of the Tampa Yanks, who offered up great ST pix, Fran and Kate (Kate pops in now and again) were just plain funny and took no crap from anybody.

  81. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    MTU May 24th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    Gb-

    “a mart doctor would engineer gall vladdersm appendixes and tonsils out of the human body. They are like trolls. No redeeming social value.”

    Are you sayin’ the good Lord didn’t know what he was doin’ ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    not at all. He just had a bunch of extra parts left over and the stock room was full. sort of like ending up with useless parts on a car that only adds to the expense. ” Hey boss!! What do you want me to do with all of this extra junk?” “Ah, heck… just stick ‘em anywhere there’s room. We’ll just charge a little more.”

  82. mick May 24th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    you’ll be fine. a mart doctor would engineer gall vladdersm appendixes and tonsils out of the human body.
    ===================================

    mister tom
    hope the surgery goes well but I would advise against using a K-Mart Dr.

  83. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    GB-

    Gotcha. Spare parts.

    Sometimes the surgeons add extra parts instead of taking them away.

    Like if ya’ need a sponge or an extra pair of gloves.

    :)

    Luis-

    Thanks for the link on Nova.

    Terrific article.

    I knew there were reasons I liked Ivan.

    ;)

  84. Against All Odds May 24th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Sad thing is many women left with her……

    ——————-

    That seems to happen on every board or blog no matter if it’s music, sports, politics, etc. I wonder why that is.

  85. tomingeorgia May 24th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    GB7,
    They haven’t decided how they’re going to do it. I’m hoping they can do it by laproscopic means. Spent all my life trying to avoid men with knives, but I’ve slowed down some, and they seem to be catching up to me. Rats.

  86. mick May 24th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    That seems to happen on every board or blog no matter if it’s music, sports, politics, etc. I wonder why that is
    ==================
    They think we are male chauvinist pigs?

  87. mick May 24th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    mister tom

    congrats on phillip phillips , new american idol, comes from your parts?

  88. luis May 24th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Tom,

    Hope everything goes well with the surgery. Take care my friend, we need you here. As MTU says, no pork bellies or ribs for a while.

    MTU!!,

    So good to have you posting again, you were missed!. Glad that you liked the link. It was a very compelling story in my view and makes you understand where his moxie comes from.

  89. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    I hate it when a body part fails.

    Especially a useless one.

    Bad design. They should be good for at least 100K miles.

    If you’re gonna go thru all that trouble they should at least remove something worthwhile I figure.

    Something that’s worth going thru all that trouble and pain.

    :)

  90. tomingeorgia May 24th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    mister mick,
    Phillip Phillips live about a hundred miles from here, and congratulations to him. To be honest, that show drives me nuts, and I haven’t watched it for years.

  91. Joe from Long Island May 24th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Then there are some who almost spit in your face if you have a different opinion from theirs and end up telling you that you don?t know anything about baseball or generally demean opinions different from theirs.

    trisha – this is what i can’t stand reading, or dealing with, and why i don’t come here much anymore. just an off day, and saw chad’s post about minor leaguers, which i always find interesting.

    have a good night.

  92. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    tomingeorgia May 24th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
    GB7,
    They haven’t decided how they’re going to do it. I’m hoping they can do it by laproscopic means. Spent all my life trying to avoid men with knives, but I’ve slowed down some, and they seem to be catching up to me. Rats.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Like The Babe said, “The termites are getting to me.”

  93. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Luis-

    I like that kid.

    Takes nothin’ for granted.

    Willing to work for what he has or wants.

    Gotta love it.

    ;)

  94. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    We’re all just circlin’ the drain.

    ;)

  95. tomingeorgia May 24th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    MTU,
    I literally went 65+years without ever meeting a surgeon other than socially, and I’d happily go another 65 before I do again. Thanks for to good wishes, all who have extended them.

  96. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Tom-

    I only get really nervous when they put on an apron and pull out a sharpening tool like the butcher in “gangs of NY”.

    Best to avoid them if you can.

    What it really means is good news for you because you won’t need another one until your 130.

    :)

  97. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    I still have every useless appendage in my body including my brain.

    Legs are still good though.

    :)

  98. mick May 24th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Bill the Butcher is performing your op tom?
    Maybe you should go to k-mart.

  99. mick May 24th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    I still have every useless appendage in my body including my brain.
    ====================
    wasn’t the brain we were thinking of…

  100. Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    GB……I always thought Doreen had a good eye for the game and expressed herself very well…..Doreen, Erica, Rebecca, Fran, Claire & Co. all knew the game very well and shared a very refreshing viewpoint …I can only speak for myself, but I really learned much from Doreen and her mates and I’m sad that they left…….

  101. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    I still have every useless appendage in my body including my brain.

    Legs are still good though.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I’ll pass this one by.

  102. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Pat M.-

    I miss them to this day.

    Especially Erica who I thought was just hysterical with her stories.

  103. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Gb-

    You must be getting soft now that you have reached 1000.

    :(

  104. tomingeorgia May 24th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    MTU,
    That was the orthopedist who sharpened his saw and made sure the 18-volt portable drill was charged. I hope these guys will be a little more gentle.

  105. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Pat M. May 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    GB……I always thought Doreen had a good eye for the game and expressed herself very well…..Doreen, Erica, Rebecca, Fran, Claire & Co. all knew the game very well and shared a very refreshing viewpoint …I can only speak for myself, but I really learned much from Doreen and her mates and I’m sad that they left…….

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Most left because of the stalking and threats from that idiot. If ever there was one useless person on this board that needs to be taken for a ride, it’s him.

  106. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Mister Tom-

    Thank god they didn’t crank up the chainsaw.

    This deal should be a bit more subtle.

    And a whole lot easier.

  107. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Proximo hilo —->

  108. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
    Gb-

    You must be getting soft now that you have reached 1000.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You always knew it was going to be a good dat when she HIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSed you.

  109. tomingeorgia May 24th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    MTU,
    I should have known. The orthopedist had a Husqvarna logo on his card.

  110. Dionysius Thelxinoe May 24th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Nick in SF says:
    May 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    “It makes no difference. Whether they want to use Chinese arithmatic or not, it’s still $110 mil and $36 mil for an unproven minor leaguer. Once the bidding rumors got past the $30-$40 mil mark, it became stupid.”

    It makes no difference that the example you gave, of college pitchers, has nothing to do with the system under which Darvish was acquired? Why not?

    What would Strasburg have cost, in your opinion, under the posting system?

    And when you said “it became stupid”, what’s your criteria for deciding whether what the Rangers paid was stupid or not? Or for saying what the Reds paid for Chapman or what the A’s paid for Cespedes was stupid?

    ——–

    Don’t know GB’s criteria, but since I’ve had the same opinion as he since before these guys were even signed, I can offer you mine.

    Darvish, Cespedes, Chapman … all very talented and some experience, but at the end of the day, unproven commodities at the Major League level. So the decision boils down to whether you want to risk $110 (or whatever amount) on a projection of their respective talents.

    Never liked the Darvish sweepstakes for the Yankees, nor Cespedes, but I confess being intrigued by Chapman. And how’s that worked for them?

  111. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
    Pat M.-

    I miss them to this day.

    Especially Erica who I thought was just hysterical with her stories.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You always knew it was going to be a good day when she HIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSed you.

  112. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    GB-

    Yeah.

    Pat used to Hissssssss at me just so I wouldn’t go into withdrawl.

    Very kind of her.

  113. Dionysius Thelxinoe May 24th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Oops, a little off on the amount … $110 MILLION. :-)

  114. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Tom-

    Lucky for you it wasn’t a “Stihl”.

    Although you probably would like some Old times beforehand.

    ;)

  115. MTU May 24th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Lucky for you people I’m being driven underground again soon.

    Just got rid of one set of houseguests now we’re gettin’ another.

    Bunch of damn freeloaders.

    Oh well.

    :(

  116. luis May 24th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Have a good one MTU, i will be checking out, later guys

  117. Bring in the Goose May 24th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Great coverage of the lower levels.

    Thanks!


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