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Postgame notes: “I knew it was going to be a battle”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on May 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

So many things went the Yankees way tonight, there’s little doubt they could have and probably should have won.

Jered Weaver was hurt after 12 pitches, forcing the Angels to replace one of the game’s best starters with a perfectly middle-of-the-road bullpen. The Yankees offense scored three runs in the first inning, scored eight runs total and had the bases loaded in three times. They scored a lot and had an opportunity to score even more. The bullpen wasn’t perfect, but until Cory Wade gave up a home run for only the second time this season, the relievers did enough to keep the Yankees within striking distance.

“I feel like we have to win every game,” Joe Girardi said. “I mean, it was a struggle for Hughsie tonight, and that’s going to happen. You got to put it behind you and move on.”

Wade took the loss, and obviously the offense whiffed on some scoring opportunities, but the bulk of the blame falls on Phil Hughes. He’d pitched very well in his past four starts, but this was another night of familiar problems: He couldn’t put hitters away, couldn’t consistently locate his fastball away to right-handers, and seemed hesitant to veer away from his fastball.

“You’d like to try to string together as many good ones as you can in a row, but after the first inning I knew it was going to be a battle to keep us in the game,” Hughes said. “I knew it wasn’t going to be a good start. … I just tried to collect myself and make some better pitches and be a little smarter out there and not just try to blow people away, because it wasn’t working in the first inning. I made some OK pitches, but still, a run here, a run there. It’s hard to give our offense some momentum when I’m out there so long and giving up runs.”

Hughes said it was overthrowing that caused his fastball to tail back over the middle of the plate in the first inning. He’d done a better job of controling that adrenaline lately, but tonight it got the best of him. And when it got the best of him, he was hesitant to turn to his curveball and changeup until it was too late.

“When you get in those jams you just want to go harder and harder and harder and speed things up, and that’s never the right way to go,” Hughes said. “You know that, but when you’re out there in the moment, it’s tough to kind of slow yourself down and throw some breaking balls for strikes and changeups for strikes and things like that. There were probably a few opportunities when I could have really slowed myself down in that first inning, but instead, I was trying to squeeze the leather off the ball and throw a fastball. That’s not a good way to go.”

• Both Curtis Granderson and Nick Swisher said they were fine after a massive collision in the third inning. Swisher said he never called the ball, and Granderson said he called for it far too late for Swisher to adjust (Swisher never heard him). “Both of us were reaching for the ball at the same time, and then just, kaboom!” Swisher said. “And next thing I know I’m laying there on my back, and he’s running for the ball, and I’m like, he’s alright.”

• Swisher felt like the bulk of the blow was to his upper body, but Granderson said he honestly had no idea where the impact occured. He felt absolutely no lingering effects and hadn’t seen a replay to understand how and why it happened. “I feel fine,” he said. “I didn’t have any grass marks on me, any dirt. I don’t know what happened. That’s why I’ve got to see it again.”

• Cory Wade tried to throw a changeup away to Mark Trumbo. It wound up over the heart of the plate. “If I throw that same pitch 10 more times, he’s going to hit it out 10 more times,” Wade said. “It was a pretty bad pitch.”

• Girardi decided not to make Kendrys Morales hit right-handed in the sixth inning, and he wound up doubling in two runs of David Phelps. “If I was going to turn him around I was going to do it with Boonie, and Boonie’s one of the guys I use in the seventh and the eighth now,” Girardi said. “So ijust felt it was too early.”

• What was Girardi thinking after Russell Martin singled to load the bases in the ninth? “I thought, we’re going to be all right,” Girardi said. “Jeet’s up. We’re going to be all right.”

• Did Martin think his ninth-inning single had a chance of getting through the infield for a go-ahead base hit? “No,” Martin said. “I thought he had a chance at first. That’s why I dove. I looked kind of ridiculous.”

• Hughes has allowed a home run in each of his first 10 starts this season. That’s the most consecutive starts allowing at least one homer by a Yankees pitcher since Jim Abbott went 11 straight in 1994.

• David Aardsma tweeted today that he’ll be facing hitters on Friday. It will be hit first time throwing to a hitter in more than a year.

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398 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I knew it was going to be a battle””

  1. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 2:29 am

    86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 1:55 am
    It’s not “going crazy” to point out that 81 starts is a pretty significant collection of evidence that the guy is just not all that good as a starting pitcher.

    He’s pretty much a 5+ inning guy who will give up 2-3 runs in those innings. The very definition of mediocrity.

    Three quality starts out of ten… and two of those against Kansas City.

    SeeYa
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    I didn’t say “going crazy”. No one’s saying he’s perfect. But he was basically doing all that with 2 pitches. Pitching with injuries and coming back from injuries. And sometimes he has bad starts. Everyone has them. But when your starts come in short spurts. It gets magnified. So then the previous 4 starts don’t mean anything.

    Ivan Nova previous 3 years innings 139.1 2009 187ip 2010 181.1 2011 507.2 total
    David Phelps 151 2009 158.2 2010 114.1 2011 424 total
    Phil Hughes 112.1 2009 192ip 2010 91ip 2011 *including postseason 395.1 total

  2. cs in la May 29th, 2012 at 2:30 am

    Was at the game tonight and besides being one that we really should have had – I have to say that Angels stadium is a total joke to any true baseball fan. I think there was a baseball game going on between all of the videos, contests, ads and other crap on the jumbotron at full volume. And the rally monkey is freakish.

    Unfortunately, its the only place I can see my Yankees, but I hate every minute of it.

  3. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 2:36 am

    the damage was mostly done that first inning. Only the homerun after that was the only run I fault with Hughes more. The collision in the outfield, and the infield hit right back to him (which I guess you can blame on him if he had been a better fielder.) scored because he wasn’t allowed to finish the inning. Now giving up 5 runs if things worked out well isn’t good. But it would have won the game. But it was a bad start. A start he got better as the game progressed. He just needs to take that into his next start.

  4. cs in la May 29th, 2012 at 2:37 am

    Once Weaver left, the Yankees had to steal this one. Big missed opportunity.

    RISP keep killing us.

    Ibanez, Martin and Chavez crushed the ball tonight. They are getting locked in.

    Where was Logan instead of Eppley? Major mistake.

    DJ is alot of great things, but clutch he is not. That sucked.

    Granderson is my hero.

  5. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 2:40 am

    cs in la May 29th, 2012 at 2:30 am
    Was at the game tonight and besides being one that we really should have had – I have to say that Angels stadium is a total joke to any true baseball fan. I think there was a baseball game going on between all of the videos, contests, ads and other crap on the jumbotron at full volume. And the rally monkey is freakish.

    Unfortunately, its the only place I can see my Yankees, but I hate every minute of it.
    ———————————–

    They have that at YS also. Probably in every ballpark. I don’t know though.

  6. UnKnown May 29th, 2012 at 2:59 am

    Girardi decided not to make Kendrys Morales hit right-handed in the sixth inning, and he wound up doubling in two runs of David Phelps. “If I was going to turn him around I was going to do it with Boonie, and Boonie’s one of the guys I use in the seventh and the eighth now,” Girardi said. “So ijust felt it was too early.”

    ——–

    I would rather have Girardi say that Boonie is the guy he uses in the highest leverage situation of the game. Regardless of what inning it was in.

    Your best bullet in the pen right now (besides Soriano) and you pass on the opportunity to use him in the 6th with the bases loaded only to use him in the 8th to face the same guy with the bases empty and 2 outs. Forget about what inning we are in Joe, please.

  7. Wang IS Taiwan May 29th, 2012 at 3:16 am

    Unknown,

    Someone called this earlier, saying that’s why Girardi didn’t have Boone in. Idiotic move, to say the least. You’re going to be so donkey-like in your thinking that you can’t see this point in the game is BIG, so you call on your best because you may not have another chance?

    Horrible in-game manager.

  8. Wang IS Taiwan May 29th, 2012 at 3:19 am

    cs in la,

    Bet you just love that rally monkey! ;)

    This game should have been a must-win with Weaver out.

    Anyone else getting tired of watching Hughes be so helpless as a SP? Just not sure he’ll ever pan out after all this time. I had such high hopes.

  9. Pat M. May 29th, 2012 at 4:53 am

    Last calll here at the diamond club, time to go ghome…….still pissed off about losing but the angel folks have been cool about things and had a good time… driver is waiting for me so it’s time and i’m tail lights ….no traffic so I’ll be home in 15 minutes. later gang

  10. darbodla May 29th, 2012 at 5:20 am

    That’s a post? You are in the Diamond Club and you have a driver? Kind of distasteful to brag isn’t it?

  11. rr212 May 29th, 2012 at 6:31 am

    In the bathroom…gettin ready for work…still pissed about the game..car is parked in a two hour zone…hope it is still there, along with my tail lights..weather is clear, so hopefully no traffic and I will be at work in 20 minutes. Later gang.

  12. sunny615 May 29th, 2012 at 6:33 am

    Hughes’ stinking up the joint didn’t help. Weavers injury was a big chance to take one and Hughes couldn’t settle down throwing meatball after meatball. What a waste. Score 8 runs a lose. Sheesh.

  13. blake May 29th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    • Girardi decided not to make Kendrys Morales hit right-handed in the sixth inning, and he wound up doubling in two runs of David Phelps. “If I was going to turn him around I was going to do it with Boonie, and Boonie’s one of the guys I use in the seventh and the eighth now,” Girardi said. “So ijust felt it was too early.”

    Why is bases loaded in the 6th too early? Obviously this is where they feel the losses of Rivera and Robertson most…..because Joe feels like he has to save guys like Logan for later innings…..even though the game may be hanging in the balance earlier.

  14. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    So Hughes has his first bad outing in a month and now he’s no good again? After the 1st inning he got better and kept his pitch count down. Left the game with 1 out in the 6 with 87 pitches. And could have finished that inning in my opinion and possibly have gone out for the 7th. But Girardi started to play matchup. Of the 7 runs 2 he could nothing about. Not that giving up 5 runs is any good. But it would have been enough for the win had the Yankees score stayed the same.

  15. blake May 29th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Hughes needs to throw his CU more….its a much better pitch than his curveball now and he needs to believe in it and throw it more.

    The biggest issue with Hughes last night was obviously fastball command early and just having no breaking ball…..he found the command later but his curveball was bad. I feel like hes got two weapons now that are prettu good…..the fastball and the 4 seam…..he needs to develop a better breaking ball and probably scrap the cutter all together.

  16. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Good morning-

    Quote from Phil Hughes:

    “When you get in those jams you just want to go harder and harder and harder and speed things up, and that’s never the right way to go,” Hughes said. “You know that, but when you’re out there in the moment, it’s tough to kind of slow yourself down and throw some breaking balls for strikes and changeups for strikes and things like that. There were probably a few opportunities when I could have really slowed myself down in that first inning, but instead, I was trying to squeeze the leather off the ball and throw a fastball. That’s not a good way to go.”

    Phil-
    Why is it so difficult to throw a curveball or a changeup once in a while when your fastball is being hit in the 1st inning?-single-out on a terrific catch by Grandy-single-single-double-single- then 2 outs on groundouts.

    If you had been pitching in YS, you would have given up 3 more homers or extra base hits, to all those balls hit to deep right field.

    What makes you think you can blow away hitters with 93 to 94mph fastballs up in the zone?

    Just when I thought you were making progress, your mental approach has taken two steps back-if it’s there at all?

    Sorry to be so harsh, but when Weaver leaves the game and the Angels gift wrap you 3, 1st inning runs, you have to pitch smart.

  17. blake May 29th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    *CU and 4 seam I mean

  18. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Blake-

    Wasn’t the Trout homer off a cutter, a pitch that he should entirely abandon?

  19. Purenyyankee May 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Hughes’ biggest problem is he refuses to pitch inside. Angel hitters were digging in like they were in the batting cage.

  20. blake May 29th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Trader,

    I think so….I never saw the replay and I didnt rewind it…..it was either a cutter or a bad slurvy curveball

  21. NYYROC May 29th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I do not understand why PH throws the cutter. How is it possible that he LR and Joe don’t see how bad it is. By my count he threw 3 cutters, 1 was a 2R single by Kendrick, one was the triple by Trumbo who later scored and one was the HR to Trout. 4 of the runs he gave up came on 3 cutters. He doesn’t give himself or the team a chance when he throws that pitch.

  22. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    The Angels have brought up 3 fabulous rookies, two last year in Trumbo and Walden, and the 20 year old phenom-give me some Trout!!

    Where’s that 20 yo Yankee outfielder who can rise thru the minors and help the team? The Angels must have a very good scouting system, since they usually draft at the lower end of the draft.

  23. NYYROC May 29th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Also do not understand why it took until his 37th pitch to throw a CU. FB & CB were getting hit. Why not try the CU?
    I can understand him being off with his command. It happens. Whenever CC has trouble it is usually his FB command too. But the decision making regarding pitch selection makes no sense.

  24. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    To be fair that triple should have been caught. But I agree don’t throw the cutter again. Unless you’re gonna throw it inside to lefties

  25. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    So far, all of us agree-Phil Hughes doesn’t seem to pitch smart. Throws a cutter, his worst pitch, throws his fastball at 93-94 up in the zone and expects to blow away hitters with it, no use of the CU, especially to lefties, won’t pitch inside, etc.

    Is the catcher somewhat at fault, the pitching coach, or is Hughes just to stubborn?

  26. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    At what point does Martin go out and tell Hughes to throw those pitches? I know Hughes can shake him off. But I think Martin can work with him there.

  27. NYYROC May 29th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    YT, when it comes down to it the pitcher is the guy throwing the ball. But I would think the PC could tell a guy not to throw the cutter EVER AGAIN!! And I would think if the PC can see the FB CB aren’t working he could take a trip to the mound sometime before the 37th pitch and tell the guy to throw the CU.

  28. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Does anyone know where the Yankees rank[reek] with the number of 1st inning runs they give up? After scoring runs, what is the % of time they give up runs the very next inning?

  29. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    You can get strikeouts up in the zone if your fastball has late life. But if doesn’t have any movement it will get hit most of the time. Just like it can get hit if it’s down in the zone and is straight.

  30. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    NYYROC-

    Looking at the quotes above from Phil Hughes, I think it’s a combination of a lack of mental approach to the game, plus stubborness. Of course he had no location as catchers never call for batting practice fastballs over the plate.

  31. blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    “Where’s that 20 yo Yankee outfielder who can rise thru the minors and help the team? ”

    Hopefully hes playing at Charleston right nkw…..Trout is impressive though…..hes an Andrew Mcutchen type player that can do everyhing and he might even be better than that……hes pretty much exactly what the Yanks need.

  32. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Hughes is too old to talk about how he needs to contain his emotions and understand what to do better. His command was awful within the strike zone and he has little movement on his fastball and change…my take on the game:

    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

  33. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 2:04 am

    Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 1:51 am
    gotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 1:48 am

    Bo knows May 29th, 2012 at 1:26 am
    CJ is right about Hughes. Seven years development program just doesn’t cut it. Hughes is still a work in progress. Bad luck or mismanagement? He’s only now developing at the Majors level.
    ——————————

    Mostly injuries and time spent in the bullpen. He hasn’t had a consistent innings build. Most pitchers his age have maybe 200 more innings

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    The time spent in the pen is on him though. They were going to send him down and he fought to stay. Part of the reason he hasn’t had 200 innings is he couldn’t stay healthy.
    ———————————-

    Even I thought he shouldn’t had been sent down. But I thought he would be used for long relief and get spot starts. So he could get over 100 ip. Not become the 8th inning guy. Maybe he thought the same.

    —————————-

    There was no way they were going to use him as a long man that season when they already had Aceves in that role.

  34. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    UnKnown May 29th, 2012 at 2:59 am

    Girardi decided not to make Kendrys Morales hit right-handed in the sixth inning, and he wound up doubling in two runs of David Phelps. “If I was going to turn him around I was going to do it with Boonie, and Boonie’s one of the guys I use in the seventh and the eighth now,” Girardi said. “So ijust felt it was too early.”

    ——–

    I would rather have Girardi say that Boonie is the guy he uses in the highest leverage situation of the game. Regardless of what inning it was in.

    Your best bullet in the pen right now (besides Soriano) and you pass on the opportunity to use him in the 6th with the bases loaded only to use him in the 8th to face the same guy with the bases empty and 2 outs. Forget about what inning we are in Joe, please.
    ********

    BINGO! We have a winner

  35. blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Boonie is the eighth inning guy now…..he cant pitch in the sixth ;)

  36. Hassey May 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Easy to criticize Hughes, of course, but there’ll be games like that for every starter and team…I know we scored 8, but this is one of those games where the offense could have and should have helped Hughesy off of the hook…one year or 20 years from now, though, it’ll look like another fantastic 8 run mauling

  37. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    These are the splits on Hughes, before last night. Righties are hitting him for .345 BA and 1.070 OPS, but he’s getting lefties out. What pitch is he using to tame lefties?

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....hil-hughes

  38. sunny615 May 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    So ironic that Trout is an Angel because of Tex. Otherwise, he would’ve been a Yankee… sigh

  39. blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    GM,

    They are missing the Genious maker badly in games like last night…..DRob as well….not becajse of the 8th and 9th but because of how their absence trickles down to the 6th and 7th….

  40. blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    “So ironic that Trout is an Angel because of Tex. Otherwise, he would’ve been a Yankee… sigh”

    We dont know that for sure….but man would I love to have him….hed solve a ton of problems both on the field and with the budget…..Id rather have him than Harper.

  41. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Hassey-

    You’re right. It’s not entirely on Hughes that the Yankees lost the game. The relief staff, except for Boone did not do it’s job. The Yankees were 3-for-11 with RISP.

    Neither A-Rod or Cano, #3&4 drove in a run, both going 1 for 5 with 2 strikeouts.

  42. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Where’s that 20 yo Yankee outfielder who can rise thru the minors and help the team? The Angels must have a very good scouting system, since they usually draft at the lower end of the draft.

    ————————-

    So you’re saying the whole Yankees draft low so they don’t get good players argument is bs?

  43. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Id rather have him than Harper.

    ————————–

    I’d rather have both because as a Yankee fan I’m greedy :)

  44. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    but this is one of those games where the offense could have and should have helped Hughesy off of the hook

    ————————–

    What??????

    Every time he gave up runs they got him off the hook. Hell he even got a no decision last night.

  45. blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    “So you’re saying the whole Yankees draft low so they don’t get good players argument is bs?”

    They never get to draft the slam dunk guys like Strasburg or Harper or Longoria or Arod…..so that does work against them….guys like Trout and Moore can happen from later in the draft but their is some luck involved there as well..

  46. Hassey May 29th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Dean – I feel you, dog. What I mean is that although they got 8, they could easily have gotten 9, 10, 11, 12 or even 13. Well, I shouldn’t say easily, because there was a good team on the other side of the ball who was trying hard to NOT let them score more (and succeeded just enough)

  47. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    blake May 29th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Hughes needs to throw his CU more….its a much better pitch than his curveball now and he needs to believe in it and throw it more.

    The biggest issue with Hughes last night was obviously fastball command early and just having no breaking ball…..he found the command later but his curveball was bad. I feel like hes got two weapons now that are prettu good…..the fastball and the 4 seam…..he needs to develop a better breaking ball and probably scrap the cutter all together.
    *****

    Blake, I do not agree about the curve ball, but I do agree about his cutter, especially against righties. Today his cutter allowed a HR and triple (on the colliding play) on the only 2 times he threw it.

    As for the changeup it was mildly effective allowing a single, getting 2 outs, 4 balls and 4 strikes in the 11 times he threw it.

    the curve ball was thrown 18 times with 6 balls, 9 strikes, a single an out and 1 strikeout.

    I think his curve is fine and needed with his repertoire, but his fastball command needs to be much better as he just misses too many spots. I mentioned this in his last decent outings that better teams would have hit him. his change can be good, but he must keep it down in teh zone as it is straight if left up…his changeup was used best against Iztarus and Aybar as they don;t have power.

  48. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Blake, yes they do miss the Genius Maker and Roberston but Girardi needs to actually manage and not be locked into innings for guys. Logan should have been in for the 6th inning. Sure it is easy to manage when you will only do one thing in the 7-9th inning.

  49. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    The other thing that hurt the Yankees last night is that after Tex singled in the 9th as the leadoff hitter, there was no Gardner or Nunez to run for him. The Yankees are near the bottom in SBs in the league.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t.....order/true

    Hopefully Gardner comes back 100% and stays healthy.Need Nunez back and playing good defense.

  50. blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Hughes pitched better as the game went…..the Yanks should have scored more than they did and should have won the game but when you score 8 runs and dont win then a bulk of the blame has to go to the starting pitcher…..that said….Im not going to let this start (in which Hughes was at home and pitching in front of family and friends ) erase all the good hes done lately.

  51. blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    “I think his curve is fine and needed with his repertoire,”

    I totally disagree…..I think he throws good ones at times but far too often its loopy and doesnt fool anybody…..hitters recognize it too early out of his hand…..agree that he needs a breaking ball…..he just needs a better and more consistent one IMO.

  52. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Hassey May 29th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Dean – I feel you, dog. What I mean is that although they got 8, they could easily have gotten 9, 10, 11, 12 or even 13. Well, I shouldn’t say easily, because there was a good team on the other side of the ball who was trying hard to NOT let them score more (and succeeded just enough)

    ———————————

    Ok I see what you’re saying thank you for clearing it up. Sorry for my response if it was heated in anyway. I thought last night was going to be a 10-5 Yankee win.

  53. NYYROC May 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Agree on the NYY lack of speed. Outside of Grandy, nobody even goes 1st to 3rd.

  54. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    NYYROC May 29th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Also do not understand why it took until his 37th pitch to throw a CU. FB & CB were getting hit. Why not try the CU?
    I can understand him being off with his command. It happens. Whenever CC has trouble it is usually his FB command too. But the decision making regarding pitch selection makes no sense.
    ****

    It was hard to know whether the ball to Kendrick was a change or a cutter, I think it was the change because it didn’t move at all and if anything slightly had the tail to it. Flash didn’t think it was the change but I did.

  55. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    “So you’re saying the whole Yankees draft low so they don’t get good players argument is bs?”

    They never get to draft the slam dunk guys like Strasburg or Harper or Longoria or Arod…..so that does work against them….guys like Trout and Moore can happen from later in the draft but their is some luck involved there as well..

    ———————————-

    True luck is involved but you have to figure over the past 6 yrs they would at least luck into one guy.

  56. blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    “Blake, yes they do miss the Genius Maker and Roberston but Girardi needs to actually manage and not be locked into innings for guys. Logan should have been in for the 6th inning.”

    Totally agree here…..but Girardi wont…..he manages cookbook style like most managers do. Girardi is very good at managing a bullpen as far as keeping them all rested and performing well…..but I do wish hed think out of the box a little and worry about the moment more in situations like that…..it doesnt do a bit of good to save Logan for thr 8th if the game is lost in the 6th…..but again….most managers woukd have done the same thing.

  57. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    If it wasn’t for Texas and Anaheim he would have a decent era. His first 10 starts were up and down. He wasn’t getting much run support early avg 4 runs a start. Only 4 of those starts he had 6 runs or more of support. The rest 3 and less.

  58. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    blake May 29th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    “I think his curve is fine and needed with his repertoire,”

    I totally disagree…..I think he throws good ones at times but far too often its loopy and doesnt fool anybody…..hitters recognize it too early out of his hand…..agree that he needs a breaking ball…..he just needs a better and more consistent one IMO.
    *******

    If you look at his starts this year the curve has not been a problem. Every pitch will allow some hits, but his curve is his least hit pitch.

  59. NYYROC May 29th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Genius… you could be right. I saw 86 MPH on the 3 pitches I noted earlier. That’s usually his cutter speed, plus his CU doesn’t usually just hang there. The cutter does. IDK. Regardless I wish he’d stop throwing it.

  60. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    YT posted the splits on Hughes. The only answer I have for that is he almost exclusively uses the change to lefties. Therefore, the righties have only 2 pitches to worry about…unless you count the cutter.

    My own opinion is that a change can be used against the same side. It may not be as effective, but it can still be effective, you just need to throw it in a good spot.

  61. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    especially if he is going to hang it :)

  62. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Genius do you think Hughes could have finished the 6th? I felt that he could have. Even if he had given up the run himself. He was at 87 pitches. And I think avg 14 pitches after the 1st. It didn’t look as if he was tiring.

  63. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    His change was 84 and 85 yesterday so the speeds are close. 86 was what was on the gun on the Kendrick hit, but I still think CU.

    Phil frustrates me…even the comebacker he missed, he was out of position on

  64. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Blake-

    Hughes vs leadoff batters each inning:
    1st-Trout singles
    2nd-Wilson singles
    3rd-Trumbo triples-yes that could have been caught. IN YS it might have been a homer.
    4th-Strikes ou the #9 hitter Wilson-but lets the next batter, Trout hit a homerun
    5th-Morales flies out-I don’t remember if it was a deep shot.
    6th-Bourjos singles

    I guess the 5th inning was his best inning?

  65. blake May 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    “If you look at his starts this year the curve has not been a problem. Every pitch will allow some hits, but his curve is his least hit pitch.”

    Maybe its not hit but he doesnt do a lot positive with it…..hitters spit on it a lot then look fastball the next pitch…..he needs it to get guys off his fastball as much or mkre than he needs it to get outs with.

  66. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    2 of those hits were infield singles

  67. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Igotid88-

    When Hughes won 18 games in 2010, he was amongst the major league leaders in team run support with > 6 runs/game, if I remember correctly.

    My knock on Hughes is his mental approach to the game.

  68. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    igotid88,

    I think Hughes could have finished the 6th, however, I did think he was tiring as his fastball had dropped to 91. I was OK going to Eppley there against the righties because I had seen enough of Hughes and he clearly wasn’t sharp…even if he had been a little better. When Eppley didn’t get the job done, Logan should have come in.

    Girardi pushed the wrong buttons, that is for sure

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    New Post——>

  70. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 9:07 am

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    2 of those hits were infield singles

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    True but they are still hits. It’s not a hard hit single I’ll give you that.

  71. BIG AL May 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Hughes throws BP to the Angels in the 1st inning, and no one thinks it’s a good idea to mix up his pitches?

    How does Martin sit back there and not call for more CB and CU pitches, after all, he’s calling the game. If Hughes wants to be basically a one pitch pitcher, good hitters are going to unload on him.

    Put Hughes in the BP and give Phelps another shot in the rotation.

    This was the Yankees game to win, and for several reasons they lost, but, Hughes never gave them a shot with his down the middle BP pitching.

  72. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Sometimes it’s the batter that’s going to make you look good. When a batter swings at 3 pitches way out of the strike zone for a pitcher but doesn’t when you throw the exact same pitches. Or if you hang a slider and they hit a homerun but the other pitcher hangs the same pitch. Only to have the batter let it go or pop it up.

  73. YES May 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    3 things from last night’s game:

    1) Considering all the expectations placed on Hughes when they drafted him, he has been a disappointment up to this point.

    2) I continue to insist Girardi is a poor manager. He goes by the book so much its like having a robot out there managing the team. He has no feel for the game and cannot make the in-game gut calls that the better managers in the game can. Not bringing in Logan because it wasn’t his inning is a joke. The Yankees can do so much better, but won’t while Cashman is GM.

    3) Who makes more ground ball outs on first pitch swings in baseball than Derek Jeter? Wow, work the count in clutch situations. Put the pressure on the pitcher, don’t just go up there and swing at the first thing you see and hit that weak ground ball to 1st base.

  74. longtimefan May 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Hughes, Arod, Martin, Cano et al–try to rationalize their mistakes but what do you expect when this practice has been established by Girardi–just once I would like to hear the truth from him by saying yea, I did make a mistake–Hughes post game should have been 2 words I Sucked! Girardi, yea I should have brought in Logan in the 6th–my bad!

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