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The morning after a rough night

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There’s plenty to think about after a game like last night, and different Yankees are surely waking up this morning thinking about different things.

Phil Hughes
Overthrowing in the first inning caused Hughes’ fastball to leak back over the plate, and that led to four quick runs and a debacle of an outing. Hughes said he wasn’t over-excited because of pitching so close to home, and waiting around through a long top of the first had no impact. He just tried to overdo it early. He was throwing strikes, but not quality strikes, and the Angels were able to foul off a lot of pitches.

“That’s always an issue,” Hughes said. “I’ve got that riding fastball, but I try to get quick outs as much as I can. Foul balls happen, but if I’m executing pitches, making better pitches and using my offspeed stuff I think I get some quicker outs there and don’t labor as much. … Sometimes I just have to slow myself down before the start and even if I’m feeling good, still use my secondary pitches and not try to overthrow and throw so many fastballs. That’ll be something I look to work on going forward.”

Russell Martin
That seventh-inning, game-tying double was a huge hit, and his ninth-inning single was just a few feet away from tying the game and set the stage for a potential game-winner. Could big, late hits like that spark Martin’s bat a little bit?

“We’re going to have to wait and find out,” he said. “I’ve been feeling better at the plate and I’m starting to drive the ball the other way. I feel better. … I’m just trying to see a pitch and drive it. I try not to think. You get in trouble when you start thinking about stuff.”

Cory Wade
The Yankees bullpen is without Mariano Rivera and Dave Robertson, but it’s still an unquestioned strength of this team largely because Wade and Boone Logan have been outstanding. Wade only threw three pitches last night, and the last one was a changeup, which is normally the best pitch in his arsenal.

“There’s going to be games that you lose like this,” he said. “Over the course of 162 games it’s going to happen to you. You don’t want it to happen, but at some point it’s going to happen to you. As a reliever you have to have a short memory. If they call for my number (tonight), I’m going to be ready to go.”

Curtis Granderson
When he left the park last night, Granderson said he still wasn’t sure what exactly happened in the third inning. He and Nick Swisher both went after a deep fly ball and collided, but that’s pretty much where the story ended. Neither was hurt, despite the fact both were sprinting and were sent sprawling.

“I’d have to see it first to really be able to say anything about it,” Granderson said. “I just know we were both trying to go after it and tried to catch it. I think we were both surprised that we got to it at the same time, especially the way the ball was hit and the ball was holding up and carrying here in the stadium throughout the course of the day. It was probably more just a surprise more than anything.”

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142 Responses to “The morning after a rough night”

  1. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    gotid88,

    I think Hughes could have finished the 6th, however, I did think he was tiring as his fastball had dropped to 91. I was OK going to Eppley there against the righties because I had seen enough of Hughes and he clearly wasn’t sharp…even if he had been a little better. When Eppley didn’t get the job done, Logan should have come in.

    Girardi pushed the wrong buttons, that is for sure

  2. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    2 of those hits were infield singles

    ——————–

    True but they are still hits. It’s not a hard hit single I’ll give you that.

  3. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Phelps came in instead to pitch to the switch-hitter Morales. With a .222 BA and an OPS of .472 vs lefties, yes he should have been turned around.

  4. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    BIG AL May 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Hughes throws BP to the Angels in the 1st inning, and no one thinks it’s a good idea to mix up his pitches?

    How does Martin sit back there and not call for more CB and CU pitches, after all, he’s calling the game. If Hughes wants to be basically a one pitch pitcher, good hitters are going to unload on him.

    Put Hughes in the BP and give Phelps another shot in the rotation.

    This was the Yankees game to win, and for several reasons they lost, but, Hughes never gave them a shot with his down the middle BP pitching.
    ********

    I did notice that Hughes twice shook off Martin and threw fastballs. One was a hit and the other was for a ball.

    His first 18 pitches were 15 fastballs and 3 curves. When your fastball is straight (I am not buying this leaking over the plate BS as Martin called for the ball inside and it ended up outside without movement) and you can’t be pinpoint…the result is an ERA of 36.00 after one inning.

  5. Doc Iac May 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    i want hughes to be good…but lookin at his stats hope is low, the only good hitting team he held down was the blue jays

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....hil-hughes

  6. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Pettitte career regular season stats vs the Angel’s hitters:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....y-pettitte

    No Wells, keep Aybar from hurting you, Yankees hit with RISP should equal another Pettitte/Yankees win! :)

  7. BIG AL May 29th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Hughes is no longer that rookie, still learning how to pitch at the ML level. If he can’t see the results of his pitch selection, and make adjustments during the game, IMO he’s a lost cause.

    He always has the answer, after the game.

  8. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Hughes said, “it’s tough to kind of slow yourself down and throw some breaking balls for strikes and changeups for strikes and things like that.”

    I was never a pitcher, but why is it tough to throw other pitches when your fastball isn’t working?

  9. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Doc I don’t know if the Rays or O’s are considered good hitting teams but he didn’t do as bad as the numbers suggest. His problem with the Rays was his pitch count which he has been doing better lately. And the game against the O’s was much better than the boxscore. Hard to explain if you didn’t see the games and just go by the boxscore. But he’s pitched well against good hiting teams before.

  10. igotid88 May 29th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    YT maybe he till doesn’t have complete confidence in those pitches yet. And he went with what was more comfortable? I hope Stewart catches his next start.

  11. blake May 29th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    The Royals and Orioles both have good offenses …..

  12. muwarriorsfan May 29th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    The excuses for Phlop here are legendary.

    He’s never been any good at adjusting during games, so last night was no surprise. But it’s comical to always hear him say AFTER the game what he should have done.

  13. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Filter these AL stats out anyway you want. Toronto in the bottom 3rd in team BA, but amongst the top 3 in runs scored.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t.....order/true

  14. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Hughes said, “it’s tough to kind of slow yourself down and throw some breaking balls for strikes and changeups for strikes and things like that.”

    I was never a pitcher, but why is it tough to throw other pitches when your fastball isn’t working?
    *******

    It isn’t YT. This is something he might have said in High School. Now I can see saying I wanted to go with what I felt the most comfortable with or slowing your self down with your fastball so you don’t overthrow, but his reasoning was off base.

  15. Bo knows May 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    With Hughes it’s still the same problem after all these years – a low seventies CB as the second offering with a 20 mph differential. Bad hitters have problems with it but good hitters just spoil it and and wait for the other pitch.

    I’m still totally baffled as to why Hughes couldn’t have learned a two seamer or a sinker after all this time.

  16. blake May 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Hughes doesnt have much pitchability…..hes a power pitcher and when he isnt locating his fastball he has trouble…….

  17. CCBiggs May 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Yanks need to drop Hughes from the rotation. The season is now one-third over and Hughes’ ERA is 5.64. (His ERA for his CAREER as a starter isn’t much better.) Why are the Yanks staying with him??!! He has good starts once in a while, but he has proven again and again that he’s not a reliable starter. Drop him!

  18. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    igotid88-

    YT maybe he till doesn’t have complete confidence in those pitches yet. And he went with what was more comfortable?
    ————————————–

    I wish that were true!

    Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad!

    That’s a bad corollary, but my point is that either Hughes doesn’t have the knowledge or he’s just to stubborn, or both. I’m just basing this on his post game quotes, not just from last night.

  19. Giuseppe Franco May 29th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Didn’t like the end result but I give the Yanks offense credit for battling all night and tying the game late.

  20. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    “Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad!”

    I do like that though

  21. Bo knows May 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    As to the sixth inning kerfuffle – Girardi is between a rock and a hard place. He only has two teflon bullets for the later innings. Before the BP debacle that was Logan’s spot. The heart of the order was coming up again.

  22. Giuseppe Franco May 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Good grief.

    They aren’t dropping Hughes from the rotation. He’d been pitching very well the entire month of May until last night.

    His likely replacement would be Phelps and Hughes has been better than Phelps the last month.

  23. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Hughes saying he knew it would be a battle even has me scratching my head. why? he was able to throw all his pitches at the proper speed, it was simply his command of those pitches. Usually when someone says they have to battle it is because they don;t have their best stuff…fastball is 91-92 and not 94-95 (like CC has been) or their breaking ball just didn’t have the normal bite. Regardless, location is ALWAYS important

  24. Giuseppe Franco May 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Even without Mo and Robertson, the bullpen has managed to hold their own in their absence.

    Getting Robertson back will obviously help a great deal.

  25. Bo knows May 29th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Just wanted to repeat – Chavez put on a clinic last night on how to deal with high nineties heat. That was beautiful.

    On a couple of those if he had squared up, the ball was out of there.

  26. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Have to go. On the brighter side, Pettitte will keep the Yankees in the game tonight and show Mr Hughes how to work the Angels lineup. Take notes Phil!

    Have a great day everyone.

  27. blake May 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    They need to keep Hughes in the rotation…..hes made some strides lately and one start (when he was likely distracted by being home) doesnt change that……

  28. mick May 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    “The Yankees bullpen is without Mariano Rivera and Dave Robertson, but it’s still an unquestioned strength of this team largely because Wade and Boone Logan have been outstanding.”
    ===========================================
    It’s just a matter of time. If Drob has an extended DL, this pen will implode.
    Too much workload, esp. for overachievers.

  29. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Even without Mo and Robertson, the bullpen has managed to hold their own in their absence.
    ————————————-
    I agree, and Girardi for the most part has put them in the best position to succeed.

    See ya all later.

  30. blake May 29th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Chavez has a really nice approach at the plate…..he was a HOF caliber talent before the injuries hit him. Hes a great guy to have around if he could just stay on the field…

  31. mick May 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Hughes was not in the moment last night.
    Call it a mental lapse, which he is prone to do.
    Guys like CC and Andy are not prone to these lapses.
    It’s the difference between good and great.
    Or even mediocre and good.

  32. mick May 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Chavez has a really nice approach at the plate…..he was a HOF caliber talent before the injuries hit him.
    ===============
    The same has been said for A. Jones.
    Swisher should take a look at his approach to HR hitting, he could learn something.
    He will be gone by the trade deadline btw.
    Sorry creatures.

  33. blake May 29th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Who they replacing Swisher with if hes traded?

  34. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Why are the Yanks staying with him??!!

    ———————–

    They want to see if he will live up to his potential.

  35. bruceb May 29th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Couldn’t stay up to the very end last night but this always seemed like a game we should win but were going to lose. With Weaver exiting in the first, all we had to do was pitch half decent to win the game, yet we couldn’t even manage that. Hughes was, quite honestly, a jellyfish on the mound. To give up four in the first was unforgivable. Now the Angels have even more momentum and I won’t be at all surprised if they go on to sweep the series. Apart from that amazing game at Fenway, how many games have we pulled out of the fire this season? Have we even had a walk off win yet?

  36. BIG AL May 29th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    mick -

    I hope you’re right, but, at the end of this season, unless a much better RF is available, which I doubt.

  37. Hassey May 29th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    I thought Chavez was gonna turn around one of those Waldman FBs if he kept gettnig them.

  38. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    the kid Musteliar will be up soon enough.
    why not get something for a dead man walking?

  39. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Hal is salivating at the 10m+ he will save on swisher

  40. DONNYBROOK May 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Yanks are at a disadvantage with their #3 -5 Slotters going against the Angels #1-3. Throw in the Yankees are missing their 8th and 9th inning relievers and the Angel advantage is obvious.Yanks can only hope that Scioscia fried his pen in pursuit of winning Game 1. I like Sciosia’s in-game managing, and his aggressive stye in general, but he has become so frustrated in chasing Texas that he has turned into a Cry Baby. His consistent baiting of the Home Plate Ump last night was pure Bush League, and not worthy of a Mgr of his caliber. Hughes saying that gibberish about knowing before hand “it was gonna be a battle”, turned into a self-fullfilling prophecy. Somebody needs to work with Hughes’s in the area of pre-game mental preparation, and his mental interpretation of what transpires during a game. What we are hearing outta him is AJ Burnett worthy= meltdown.

  41. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    big al-

    i cannot look at aceves w/out thinking of what you said about him…

  42. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    AJ and Hughes are a good comparison.
    Throw in Kennedy.

  43. blake May 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    “AJ and Hughes are a good comparison”

    Not really…..if Hughes had AJ’s curveball hed dominate.

  44. Wang IS Taiwan May 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I’ve always felt that Hughes needed to toughen up mentally. I got the impression initially that he was a smart cookie, but his inability to adjust in-game is troubling.

  45. longtimefan May 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    IMHO, Hughes is truely a reliever, not a starter–maybe a pretty decent set up guy but not a closer. And Rothchild isn’t really much of a pitching coach.

  46. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    talking about their heads, not their arms.

  47. blake May 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    “talking about their heads, not their arms.”

    I dont think thats all that similar either….

  48. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    if Drob is out for an extended period and Hughes is inconsistent, I can see them giving up on him , putting him in the pen and giving the job to Phelps or an up and coming B.

  49. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    both are underachievers

  50. champ809 May 29th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Mike Trout was a 1st rd pick in the ’09 draft @ 25th the Yanks took Slade Heathcott with the 29th pick who has a similar skillset to Trout but has been hit with injuries due to his all out style of play.

    Trout was actually a comp pick the Angels received from us for signing Tex….so no Tex we stay with the 25th pick and maybe we end up with Trout….however we certainly don’t celebrate a championship later that season.

    At the end of the day over the next couple of years we should be very happy with the likes of Mason Williams, Ravel Santana- very similar skills profile to Trout with maybe slightly more power, and Slade if we can keep him out of the trainers room.

    Also still feel very good about what will become of the Almontes Zoilo and Abraham as both are tools sheds and off to a pretty good start @ AA Trenton this season which is big for them as they are notorious warm weather/second half players.

  51. NYYROC May 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    FWIW, I have heard both CC and Andy say that when they were younger, when they got in trouble, they threw harder and harder and it didn’t usually work. CC said he used to try to K everyone. They both said as they’ve gotten older they’ve learned sometimes it’s better to throw something soft away than challenge every hitter. PH needs to learn that and quickly.

  52. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    PH needs to learn that and quickly.
    ======================
    Andy was at his best in 2010 and looks the same now.
    It took him to age 37 to figure it out.
    Hughes has a long way to go, it won’t be here.

  53. Giuseppe Franco May 29th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    longtimefan May 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    And Rothchild isn’t really much of a pitching coach.

    ———-

    Rothschild has been a pitching coach for well over 30 years so he must have done something right to stick around the game that long.

  54. muwarriorsfan May 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    There’s no shame in being a stellar reliever, which Hughes has been.

    He just doesn’t have the mental make-up (or good secondary pitches) to be a stellar starter.

  55. NYYROC May 29th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    GF, you may be right about LR, but remember Art Fowler? He was Billy Martin’s PC primarily because he was Billy’s drinking buddy.

  56. BIG AL May 29th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    With Hughes, its time to start shopping him around. If you put him in the BP, you lower whatever value he still has, which is pretty low as it is. He’d do well with his buddy Kennedy with the D-Backs.

    Upton off to a slow start, maybe we could sweeten the pot and steal him away. I know, just wishful thinking on my part.

  57. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    This happens every year.
    It is ST till the trade deadline/ASB, even into August, at times.
    They will make changes and be ready for the playoffs.
    It’s a war of attrition.

  58. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    I think Kuroda is better than a lot are saying.
    With him, CC and Andy you have a solid 3 for the playoffs.
    Nova is also someone I trust.
    The lack of Mo in those big spots scares me…

  59. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    A 5 man staff in the playoffs almost could assure Hughes a spot there.

  60. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    At the end of the day over the next couple of years we should be very happy with the likes of Mason Williams,

    ————————

    Hopefully that happens but of course when it comes to this team you can never be too sure

  61. jacksquat May 29th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Girardi decided not to make Kendrys Morales hit right-handed in the sixth inning, and he wound up doubling in two runs of David Phelps. “If I was going to turn him around I was going to do it with Boonie, and Boonie’s one of the guys I use in the seventh and the eighth now,” Girardi said. “So ijust felt it was too early.”

    Girardi needs to learn that key points in the game aren’t always in specific innings. If he uses Boone there and he is successful, that’s two less runs and there’s a good chance Boone is not necessary later in the game. Joe just has too many “rules” and lacks mental flexibility.

  62. 86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    If Hughes went to the pen and was as dominant as he was previously he would RAISE his value, since a starter who rarely goes 6 innings and has an ERA over 5.00 doesn’t have much if any value.

    After 81 career starts his ERA is 4.99. In 49 relief appearances it’s 1.44.

    His best year as a starter was 2010, where he had a 4.23 ERA and averaged 6 innings a start. Pretty damn good for a 24-year-old.

    However things have changed. In the last two years he’s made 24 starts, averaged about 5 innings a start with an ERA of 5.70.

    How much more rope to do you think he deserves?

  63. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    How much more rope to do you think he deserves?

    ————————-

    That depends on Cashman. Brian is a believer in Phil and as long as he is Phil will continue to start

  64. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    How much more rope to do you think he deserves?
    =============================
    That is key.
    The rope will extend according to team need.
    If someone better comes along, someone is going somewhere.
    Right now, that someone is Phil.

  65. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Morning folks.. it’s been a while. People are playing baseball?! ;)

  66. jacksquat May 29th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    It can’t be too much longer with Phil. Phelps is a better pitcher right now imo.

  67. BIG AL May 29th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 10:35 am
    If Hughes went to the pen and was as dominant as he was previously he would RAISE his value, since a starter who rarely goes 6 innings and has an ERA over 5.00 doesn’t have much if any value.

    ************************************************************

    BP pitchers, other than top closers, have far less value than SP.

  68. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Joe just has too many “rules” and lacks mental flexibility.
    ===============================
    It also shows a lack of trust.
    Sure, he uses him in the 7th or 8th, but that is automatic.

  69. BIG AL May 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Shame Spencer -

    Some are, others are just pretending to.

  70. mick May 29th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Phil’s value to the team, at this point, could be in the pen.
    In 2014 , when he is a FA, he will take his talents elsewhere, if still here.

  71. 86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Big Al —

    Quality relievers do not have less value than BAD starting pitchers. The Phil Hughes who pitched out of the pen is a lot more valuable than the Phil Hughes with a 5.70 ERA in his last 31 starts.

    Yes, good starters are worth more than good relievers.

    and besides that, Value, Shmalue to guy is not helping his team and with the bullpen depleted a change would probably help the team which is more important than his “value” right now.

  72. ron May 29th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Hughes is learning how to pitch.

    We don’t know how good he will be,or how long it will take,or if.
    His ml innings were not consecutive,and the pen took a year away from his development.

    We can p i s s & moan all we wan’t but we just don’t know what he will be.
    He was stubborn for a long time,thinking that a good fb was enough,and he has to believe that it is not,regardless of how good any pitchers fb is,you need to be able to throw at least one offspeed pitch for strikes,in any count,and be able to record outs with it,in addition to a 3rd pitch,even if the 3rd pitch is a variation,like a 2 seem,4 seem,cutter.

    Problem with hughes is,his other pitches are just not that great yet,and he does not throw them enough.

    10 changeups out of almost 90 pitches is not enough.
    Should of thrown twice as many changeups,and picking a 3rd pitch wouldn’t hurt either,wether it be the curve,cutter,sinker,split,etc…

    He is close,i can feel it.

    Don’t know exactly what it is,just a feeling.

    Before last nights game,his era,whip,baa,hits per innings pitched were dropping steadily where they were not so ugly.

    If he was able to put together a few more good starts,his era could have been under 4,baa under .250 or so,a reasonable whip,and even on hits per innings pitched,or close,maybe less.

    Hughes fb was not working,and he stayed with it.Huge mistake.

    He should of immediately changed it up til he settled down.

    Obviously a pitcher pitches off their fb,but hughes needs to develop a real good changeup,and throw it 20 times a game,in addition to another pitch,not named a fb.
    I’d love him with a split,or sinker.

  73. 86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    “the guy is not…..

  74. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    LOL, Big Al.

    Yeah I saw things were looking ugly for Hughes last night and just shut it off early and dreamt about eating a bowl of cereal from Lord Stanley’s Cup.

  75. BIG AL May 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    mick -

    If the Yankees put Phil in the BP for 2 seasons, most likely his career as a SP is over, either here or elsewhere.

    I hate to drag up old story lines, but, if Joba comes back strong, I’d prepare him to be a SP once again, and give him as much time in AAA as needed to make it happen.

    Later folks, Y’all have a great day.

  76. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Let’s not get too crazy over one horrendous start. I know the answer is that many of us (myself included) have seen enough of Hughes and he has had the longest leash of almost anyone I can remember, but he should stay in the rotation right now. If we were smart we should have traded him after his last few decent starts, but we should get him matched up against as many weak teams as possible and trade him for a position player.

    I don’t think his secondary pitches are good enough to go along with a decent fastball that he lacks command of.

    This all being said I would not remove him from the rotation…I may feel differently in a month though; he gets at least 2 more starts and hopefully a lot more or at least until we trade him. Shoot, we could trade Hughes and Swisher for Trout :)

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    “Hughes, Arod, Martin, Cano et al–try to rationalize their mistakes but what do you expect when this practice has been established by Girardi–just once I would like to hear the truth from him by saying yea, I did make a mistake–Hughes post game should have been 2 words I Sucked! Girardi, yea I should have brought in Logan in the 6th–my bad!”

    Except that because you believe it doesn’t mean he does. And because you think that’s the way he should have gone doesn’t mean that it is.

    Just sayin’

    **********

    Phil sat out a long first inning, pitches better on 4 days rest, and was playing at home in front of family and friends. It didn’t make for a good combo plate.

    He certainly deserves a lot more latitude than posters here have been giving him. His ER in the 4 previous games were 3,1,2,2. He went 3-1 in those games and pitched 6.2 in one and 7.2 in another. He definitely has been improving.

    His starts before that weren’t tremendous, and I was definitely starting to doubt him, but nobody in the rotation was taking home any awards at that point.

  78. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I hate to drag up old story lines, but, if Joba comes back strong, I’d prepare him to be a SP once again, and give him as much time in AAA as needed to make it happen.

    —————————–

    Not going to happen. The Yankees chose Hughes over Joba yrs ago because they felt Hughes was the safer bet going forward.

  79. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Ron, I agree with you that he is at the stage where learning a split would be a good thing as he has little to lose; it is worth the arm injury. Maybe garcia can help him and add some value to the team

  80. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Phil sat out a long first inning

    pitches better on 4 days rest,

    ——————–

    It was the first inning though. I could buy it if it was in the middle of the game or even the 2nd inning.

    Jerkface shot that down earlier

  81. jacksquat May 29th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    No excuses for rest, blah blah.

    His last 4 starts were against KC, Sea, Tor, KC. KC and Sea are the 2nd and 3rd lowest scoring teams in the AL. His whip in the Tor game was high.

    Phil needs to show he can pitch well against good teams.

  82. ron May 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Hughes is not valuable in the pen,unless he is an absolutely failed starter,and we are not their yet.

    He is not even 26 yrs old,his innings were not consecutive,and the pen for a year is like he is 24 yrs old.

    Cliff lee was nothing great til his 7th year in the league,after about 700 ml innings,except for one year mixed in,the first few he didn’t pitch enough innings to get a good read.

    In 2007 lee had a 6.29 era,1.52 whip,.284 baa,112 hits in 97.1 innings pitched.

    Imo,400-700 ml innings pitched is where a pitcher succeeds or fails.Hughes is just under 500.
    I think his next 200 innings,maybe 300 in hughes case because of the lost development time will tell us what hughes will be.

    With him struggling at times with his fb,he is learning that he needs other pitches.
    Sometimes this is what it might take.
    No 2 paths are the same.

  83. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Last year Hughes had an ERA of 5.79 and a WHIP of 1.49.
    This year Hughes has an ERA of 5.64 and a WHIP of 1.44

    he is improving…of course if you don;t take into account his .870 OPS against this year. Just for perspective, Cano is 2nd on our team with a .851 OPS. So teams are hitting Hughes better than a lineup of all Cano’s. WOW

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Okay, how about the nervousness pitching 15 minutes from home in front of friends and family? I think they were all contributory factors.

    I guess the point is that we turn the page on this one and wait for the next.

    To me, Phil’s a tough read. When he was first up I thought of him as mature beyond his years, and highly accountable. Something happened along the way and I think his confidence eroded. But he’s been getting better with each outing (forget last night).

    The one thing I don’t understand is the proclivity to give up at least one homer a game. It’s like someone performed voodo on him or something.

    :)

  85. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Hughes has been on the ML team for 5 years.

    If everything revolves around him pitching his FB effectively and he cannot do that consistently then I dunno what the next move is for him and the Yanks.

  86. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Last year the OPS against Hughes was .799. he was also better against righties. I think abandoning his slider has hurt him against righties.

  87. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    “The one thing I don’t understand is the proclivity to give up at least one homer a game. It’s like someone performed voodo on him or something.”

    THIS! I meant to point that out as well.. but it’s probably related to the fastball command (or lack thereof). One thing none of us can honestly say is that Phil has looked sharp this season. He hasn’t. And it makes me very sad because I knew if he didn’t look good this season the likelihood of us keeping him around is low.

  88. blake May 29th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    “May 29, 2012 at 11:10 am Ron, I agree with you that he is at the stage where learning a split would be a good thing as he has little to lose; it is worth the arm injury.”

    If he gave him a real out pitch then Id say yes….its worth the risk at his age and where he is in his career…..but we dont even know if he can throw a split…..a better thing to try first might be to scrap the cutter…..scrap the curveball (or reduce its use) and try a true slider which he threw in high school. Either way……his current breaking ball isnt good enough…..it doesnt fool hitters and more importantly it doesnt get hitters off his fastball because they recognize it too early.

  89. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Trish, I don’t buy the nervousness, these guys are pros. Last year Phil was better on 5 days rest…not sure that matters much either, but i do agree, let’s turn the page

  90. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    “So teams are hitting Hughes better than a lineup of all Cano’s. WOW”

    Stop trying to make the posters on LoHud cry.

    Phil learning a split sounds fine and good… him learning any secondary pitch and being able to repeat the mechanics on it would be nice.

    But if he can’t repeat the fastball and maintain command through at least 5 innings a game, what good is it to try and get him to perfect his other pitches?

    We do all agree Phil has never been about ‘pitchability’ right? He’s a power guy. That was my understanding of how he pitches, anyway.

  91. bruceb May 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Larry Bowa make an excellent point on the MLB network yesterday about how the media coverage of a team can influence and affect how a manager manages. Joe Madden can get away with experimenting with Carlos Pena in the leadoff spot because in Tampa, the Rays are covered by two men and a dog. When Girardi does something similar, it is analyzed, criticized and dissected by around 25 newspaper reporters and columnists, 25 broadcasters, not to mention two or three sportstalk shows. So it is with the development of young players in New York. They’re not given a chance to succeed; they’re expected to be world beaters from the get go. Ian Kennedy is a prime example of that; I’m sure he’s a lot happier away from the glare of the spotlight in Arizona. You can argue that Phil Hughes has had a lot more time and chances to succeed than Kennedy, but not every pitcher thrives in the fishbowl that is New York.

  92. 86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    There isn’t a starting pitcher in baseball who wouldn’t trade a long wait in a half inning for three runs of support.

    It’s his sixth season in MLB, but he gets a pass cuz Mommy’s in the stands? Really?

    I want the guy to succeed, but I’ve been watching baseball up close and personal for many years now and I have seen nothing that convinces me Phil Hughes is going to be an excellent MLB starter.

    Shoot, I haven’t seen anything that convinces me he’s going to be better than what’s been for his first 81 starts…. 4.99 ERA and less than 6 innings per outing.

  93. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Blake, I still don;t agree about the breaking ball because the numbers don;t support it.

    if you remember he tried to throw a slurve or throw his curve a little harder and it didn’t work well. he was better off throwing the same pitch at 2 different speeds.

  94. RMS May 29th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Phil sat out a long first inning, pitches better on 4 days rest, and was playing at home in front of family and friends. It didn’t make for a good combo plate.

    —————————————————————————————————————
    Those are good excuses for a rookie. Phil is beyond that. I always thought he would be a #2, but I think I’m wrong.

  95. Wave Your Hat May 29th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Phil gets his pitches up too often. At this point in his career that shouldn’t be happening. I’m resigned to seeing him give up a lot of long fly balls. If the outfielders catch them he’ll do OK, he won’t if they don’t.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    “His last 4 starts were against KC, Sea, Tor, KC. KC and Sea are the 2nd and 3rd lowest scoring teams in the AL. His whip in the Tor game was high.”

    KC – Escobar 310, Butler 297, Francouer 282, Betancourt 280, Getz 277, Moustakas 267. They do have guys who can hit.

    “Phil needs to show he can pitch well against good teams.”

    We’ll certainly have the opportunity to check that out. Then we’ll have a better idea of whether the good starts are an aberration or a sign of where he’s truly at.

    *************

    His WHIP in April was 1.88. Stats show that May he is down to 1.25 (though that’s hard to figure looking at the individual starts.)

  97. blake May 29th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    GM,

    Numbers cant support everything…..I dont think you can just look at how a pitches is hit….because part of the reason its not hit is because hitters dont swing at it….you have to consider how a pitch affects other pitches and how using it in sequence affects other pitches ….Hughes can throw good curveballs ……but far too many are big loopers that hitters just watch go by and then look fastball again….JMO

  98. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Okay, how about the nervousness pitching 15 minutes from home in front of friends and family?

    ———————-\

    He was pitching a no no in front of his family and friends back in 2010 in Oakland Coliseum

  99. I Am Winning May 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Hughes’ problems, odd enough, seem to come against right handed hitters.

    Hughes’ lefty splits:
    2.59ERA .197BAA 1.02WHIP 31.1 IP RUNS11

    vs Righty sliplts:
    10.13ERA .388BAA 2.06 WHIP 21.1 IP 24 RUNS26

    This isn’t an anomaly. He pitched enough innings, and many more against lefties, and the numbers are polar opposites to indicate he in struggling specifically against right handers. I find it hard to believe that he doesn’t make many mistakes to lefties, and nearly all of his pitches to righties are mistakes. I’m just not buying it. Could he be tipping his pitches? Maybe, but it’s hard to say, not every hitter is capable of reading pitches, but nearly every hitter is smacking his around.

    Only 3 of his 10 starts are quality starts. Something needs to change. Hughes won’t keep his job if he pitches another 10 with only 3 quality starts.

  100. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Shoot, I haven’t seen anything that convinces me he’s going to be better than what’s been for his first 81 starts…. 4.99 ERA and less than 6 innings per outing.

    ———————

    People get mad when Hughes is compared to AJ but in regards to consistency… I dunno, I think it’s a fair comparison.

  101. ron May 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    I think it is about having other pitches to go to when his fb is not working where he can shift over to other pitches,using his fb less till it comes back.
    Fb not working,maybe using a sinker,and changeup,or split,and changeup.

    He tried on most occasions,throwing almost nothing but fb,now you hear him saying,more,and more that,i have to throw my other pitches,even if my fb isworking,and not wait so long when it is not.

    The question going forward are,will he be able to develop 2 other pitches that are good enough.
    Pitch selection also.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    “Trish, I don’t buy the nervousness, these guys are pros.”

    Men, not machines.

    “It’s his sixth season in MLB, but he gets a pass cuz Mommy’s in the stands? Really?”

    You don’t have to give him a pass. I know you’d like to think that players are like wind-up toys without emotion, but alas, that’s not how it works. They’re individuals, not cookie-cutter pinstripe toys. Figuring out who they are can sometimes help you figure out how they’ll react or perform.

    ***********

    bruceb May 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Excellent post.

    “You can argue that Phil Hughes has had a lot more time and chances to succeed than Kennedy, but not every pitcher thrives in the fishbowl that is New York.”

    He’s also had a lot more ups, downs, and all arounds. He’s been a veritable bouncing ball.

    I’m not making excuses for him, but if there are legitimate reasons why things may be a certain way, then I’ll always take a long look at them.

    My life doesn’t depend on whether or not Phil Hughes – or anybody else there – succeeds. So it’s easy for me to not get into a twist over these things. I’m going to be as objective as I can. Taking into account someone’s personality is part of being objective.

  103. blake May 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “People get mad when Hughes is compared to AJ but in regards to consistency… I dunno, I think it’s a fair comparison.”

    AJ was a lot better than Hughes at age 25…….I just dont think they struggle for the same reasons……

  104. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    He was pitching a no hitter in front of his family and friends 2 yrs ago before he lost it on a come backer

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    “He was pitching a no no in front of his family and friends back in 2010 in Oakland Coliseum”

    Oakland is a fur piece from Anaheim. Wasn’t there some talk about 200 “friends and family” wanting tickets for his game this time around?

  106. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    blake May 29th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    GM,

    Numbers cant support everything…..I dont think you can just look at how a pitches is hit….because part of the reason its not hit is because hitters dont swing at it….you have to consider how a pitch affects other pitches and how using it in sequence affects other pitches ….Hughes can throw good curveballs ……but far too many are big loopers that hitters just watch go by and then look fastball again….JMO
    ****

    sure it isn’t about just whether it is hit, but if he is getting strikes and it isn;t hit, that is good. He struck out Pujols with it last night. I gave the breakdown before, overall, the curve is not his problem and in fact, if he could spot his fastball better he would be much more effective. Then if he could keep his change down that would be the next step. I think the curve is his 3rd pitch to worry about and maybe 4th if he needs to work on something else – like a splitter. At the end of the day, I think with just those 3 he can be effective, but he needs to get his command of the 3 pitches better

  107. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    “He was pitching a no no in front of his family and friends back in 2010 in Oakland Coliseum”

    Oakland is a fur piece from Anaheim. Wasn’t there some talk about 200 “friends and family” wanting tickets for his game this time around?

    —————————–

    200 F & F wanted tickets but those 200 ppl didn’t come to the game. It was roughly 20 F & F that showed up.

  108. 86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    If his family and friends in Anaheim were suspended above a shark filled tank and each hit lowered them closer to being a meal THEN I might buy that as added pressure.

    I know a lot of people are emotionally attached to their belief that Hughes will be an excellent starting pitcher for the Yankees. However the evidence strongly suggests that it simply is not the case.

    I hope he throws consecutive shutouts to make me look stupid in the next 10 days, but I would bet a LOT of money against it.

  109. blake May 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “sure it isn’t about just whether it is hit, but if he is getting strikes and it isn;t hit, that is good. He struck out Pujols with it last night.”

    That wasnt a strike though……its a get me over curveball that he can steal strikes with at times. IMO his current CB and CU are 3rd and 4th pithes……he needs a real #2 pitch he can go to to miss bats with and that hitters will read as a fastball out of his hand…..whether its a split, Slider, or better and harder curveball.

  110. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I hope he throws consecutive shutouts to make me look stupid in the next 10 days, but I would bet a LOT of money against it.

    ——————————–

    I wouldn’t he has a knack for pitching well when his back is against the wall.

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Dean, he’s playing 15 minutes from his home. If you don’t think that could give anybody butterflies, think again. Add to it that Phil appears to be very cerebral. He reminds me of “still waters run deep.” And he’s coming off a checkered past several years.

  112. jpmatrixfan88 May 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    So Hughes can make 4 great starts in a row, then he makes one bad one and all of a sudden he needs to go back to the bullpen? Jeez you people are pretty sad. Knoww nothing about baseball.

    If some of you people ran the Yankees, Cano would have been traded his rookie year because he had a big hitless streak to start his career. Ibanez would have been cut in spring training, Kuroda would have been traded in April, Robertson would have been traded after his 5+ ERA his rookie year. Granderson would have been traded in 2010.

    Before someone comes back with, “OH MUH GERDDDD WE HVE GIVEN HUGHES 1095477 CHANCHES OH MUH GERDDDDD.” I know that! But when a guy has 4the great starts in a row and looks much different, you DONT dump them after one start. Im sorry but thats COMMON SENSE peoplel Something half the people here simply do not have. Wow.

  113. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    blake May 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “People get mad when Hughes is compared to AJ but in regards to consistency… I dunno, I think it’s a fair comparison.”

    AJ was a lot better than Hughes at age 25…….I just dont think they struggle for the same reasons……
    ———————-

    blake – I can’t pretend I’m not dumbing it down lol, it’s what I’m good at. But to me it looked like AJ couldn’t always keep the mechanics/command on his killer curve ball and Hughes can’t repeat the mechanics/command on his fast ball.

    I know they’re not the same pitcher.. but it does seem like a between the ears problem as opposed to an ability problem for the both of them.

  114. Wave Your Hat May 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    “he needs a real #2 pitch he can go to to miss bats with and that hitters will read as a fastball out of his hand…..whether its a split, Slider, or better and harder curveball.”

    Sure, blake, I agree.

    And what I need is a real #1 pitch that I can go to to miss bats with…I wouldn’t care what it is either.

    I’m not going to find my pitch, though, and after 5 years in the majors I’m beginning to wonder if Hughes will find his pitch either.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “If his family and friends in Anaheim were suspended above a shark filled tank and each hit lowered them closer to being a meal THEN I might buy that as added pressure.”

    :)

    You obviously have a clear head. Otherwise you’d have a little more understanding about how different people are affected differently by different things.

    Bernie Williams couldn’t focus when his dad was ill and had to leave the game and take a leave of absence. Paul O’Neill played in the world series the day his father died.

    “I know a lot of people are emotionally attached to their belief that Hughes will be an excellent starting pitcher for the Yankees. However the evidence strongly suggests that it simply is not the case.”

    That may be. And if it isn’t the case, then it isn’t. However, the answer certainly is not known at this point in time.

  116. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Can it give him butterflies sure but at some point he has to push that aside and pitch to his abilities.

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    jpmatrixfan88 May 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    +5

    Though I probably would have considered trading Kuroda in March.

    :)

  118. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I hope he throws consecutive shutouts to make me look stupid in the next 10 days, but I would bet a LOT of money against it.

    ——————————–

    I wouldn’t he has a knack for pitching well when his back is against the wall.

    ————————

    Well that’s an easy fix. I have the cement, who has the bricks? We can just strap the wall to his back… he certainly won’t ever need fat camp again.

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “Can it give him butterflies sure but at some point he has to push that aside and pitch to his abilities.”

    I’m not disagreeing. I think the upcoming games are going to be extremely important in revealing which way Phil’s career with the Yanks is going to proceed.

  120. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    LOL funny stuff Shame

  121. blake May 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    “And what I need is a real #1 pitch that I can go to to miss bats with…I wouldn’t care what it is either.”

    Yea…cant disagree….but I think they need to ride it out and see.

  122. DONNYBROOK May 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Girardi revealing that he felt it was too early\6th inning to use Logan was dumb. Other Mgrs Now know his Current mindset, and will counter accordingly. The Girardi “Not being flexible” argument is supported by those words outta Girardi’s own mouth. The man is one dimensional and plain dumb on top of that. NOT a good combo.

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Anyway, y’all, with Andy on the mound tonight I have no fear that the ship will once again be sailing in smooth waters.

    Have a great day.

    :)

  124. Wave Your Hat May 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “but I think they need to ride it out and see.”

    Sure, what else can they do?

  125. Dean Winters May 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    I’m not disagreeing. I think the upcoming games are going to be extremely important in revealing which way Phil’s career with the Yanks is going to proceed.

    ————————–

    True but even if he does well in those upcoming games he could struggle in the games after.
    Hughes doesn’t have to be perfect but he has to put together a season worthy of the praise he gets. Even in his 18 win yr his second half wasn’t good. He’s 25 not 30 but it’s time to put together a string of seasons not good 1 yr bad the next.

  126. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    jpmatrixfan88 May 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    So Hughes can make 4 great starts in a row, then he makes one bad one and all of a sudden he needs to go back to the bullpen? Jeez you people are pretty sad. Knoww nothing about baseball.

    —————————

    This is unfair. Everyone on this board has watched Phil relentlessly for 5+ seasons. One bad start is not the issue and it is frustrating that so many people categorize it as such.

    Phil’s entire career to this point has been one step forward, 2 steps back. Until the trend changes, the opinions will not.

  127. 86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    jp matrix —-

    When Phil has four great starts in a row I will buy you a case of your favorite beer.

    Until then we can all do without such idiotic posts.

    His last four starts were solid, but far from great… and three of them were against two of the three worst teams in the American League — Kansas City (2X) and Seattle.

    If you want to debate things fine, but offer up something more intelligent that what one might expect from an 8th grader.

  128. jacksquat May 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Someone “cerebral” wouldn’t take until after the game was over to think “gee, my fastball is getting pounded, maybe I should try another strategy.”

  129. DONNYBROOK May 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Instead of merely looking at the aggregate numbers, look at each game\opponent faced. That will give you a Better picture of where Hughes is currently at.

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “Someone “cerebral” wouldn’t take until after the game was over to think “gee, my fastball is getting pounded, maybe I should try another strategy.””

    Actually if one is too cerebral, that’s exactly what could happen. Kind of like when Mike Mussina would overthink things? If someone’s intuitive, they would do exactly what you just suggested.

  131. RadioKev May 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    It will be interesting to see what happens in Hughes next start. I think it is slightly unfair to be so down on him after a string of very good starts, but at the same time the guy needs to keep proving himself.

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock May 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I know a lot of people are emotionally attached to their belief that Hughes will be an excellent starting pitcher for the Yankees. However the evidence strongly suggests that it simply is not the case.
    ///

    I’d say there are at least an equal amount of people who have made an arbitrary call that he has had “enough time” and are just as committed to their attachment that failure for him is a foregone conclusion.

    Some good observations, albeit reiterations, about what he needs to do, in this thread.

    I think ron’s observation, however, that Hughes has been interrupted by injuries, as well as a BP stint that retarded, certainly, his CU progress, is valid. (Have to like that his changeup has become an antidote against LHB – far cry better than the cutter that got tattooed against them. His progress there was evident against good hitting LHB-heavy Kansas City). That curve comes and goes, from sharp bite to round and breaking too early. Yes, sinker/2-seam would help keep the ball out of the air, especially.

    Yes ron, nonlinear progress following a nonlinear developmental path makes sense. It’s made a contribution to where he currently is and isn’t (yet).

  133. 86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    I’m not down on him… I’m just not convinced he can be a quality starting pitcher in MLB. After 81 starts he should be much better than this.

    I’d love to see him succeed and I’m not saying he can’t, but the evidence is pretty stacked against the argument that he can/will be even as good as he was in 2010. His ERa in his last eleven starts is 5.70.

    He was far more successful out of the bullpen. In my opinion that’s where he’ll excel.

  134. The Genius Maker May 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    For the year the OPS against Hughes is .870! Hughes had 4 starts for a 2.80 ERA against weaker teams, I pointed out in my blog that he made a lot of bad pitches that the better teams will hit, but I was happy with his performance. This is a perfect example of what a better hitting team will do when you make mistakes. I am not jumping to any conclusions based on this: I am talking about the way he has pitched over the years and this year.

    Can he do better than a 5.64 ERA going forward? Sure, but he needs to stop making excuses and focus on nothing but his command and hitting his spots. He makes far too many mistakes to be successful. It should be noted that all pitchers make mistakes but it is about how many you make and if your stuff is good enough to get away with the mistakes. In my opinion Phil makes more than his share and his stuff is does not enough to get away with as many mistakes.

  135. 86w183 May 29th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    off to dinner… (I’m in Italy)

    Good night all!

  136. I Am Winning May 29th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    jpmatrixfan88,

    I can’t disagree that guys like Cano would be traded a long time ago if it were up to most fans. However, Hughes only had 3 quality starts all year. How can you say he had 4 “great” starts in a row? In my opinion, great is above a mere “quality” start. Yet, as I just mentioned, he only had 3 of them.

    I myself am having doubts about Hughes. Something is just not right. Whatever Hughes was doing a few years back, he needs to start doing again.

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