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Cashman to participate in Charleston all-star festivities

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees Low-A team in Charleston is hosting the South Atlantic League All-Star Game this season, and the club announced that Brian Cashman will be the keynote speaker for the annual Awards and Hall of Fame Ceremony that will be part of the all-star festivities. With all the young talent on that RiverDogs roster — including Mason Williams — this is a good year for the all-star game to be in Charleston. Here are the details from Charleston…

CHARLESTON, SC – New York Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman has agreed to serve as the keynote speaker when the South Atlantic League hosts its annual Awards and Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony as part of the All-Star Game festivities that is coming to Charleston next month and hosted by the RiverDogs.

The awards and induction ceremony is planned for June 19, prior to the SAL’s 53rd Annual All-Star Game, which will be played later in the day at Joseph P. Riley, Jr. Park. The luncheon is set for 11:45 a.m. at the Marriott on Lockwood Blvd., is open to the public. Tickets are $35 each and may be secured by contacting the RiverDogs Box Office at 843/577-DOGS (3647) or online at www.riverdogs.com.

Joining Cashman on the stage will be members of the Hall of Fame Class of 2012 that includes longtime Charleston Mayor Joe Riley, Jr. and RiverDogs co-owner Bill Murray. Also being enshrined is former Asheville Tourists front office executive Carolyn McKee. The 2012 SAL players will also be in attendance.

“It will be an honor for me to serve as the keynote speaker for the South Atlantic League’s All Star & Hall of Fame Luncheon in the beautiful and historic city of Charleston,” said Cashman. “The rich history of the SAL will be on full display as the talents and contributions of the young All Stars and those who will be enshrined in their Hall of Fame are recognized.

“It will be great to be with the fans in Charleston, who continue to support our Single-A affiliate RiverDogs,” he added. “The Yankees organization is very proud of our relationship with the RiverDogs, a group that is known as much for entertaining their fans as they are for developing players.”

For the All-Star Game itself, gates open at 4 p.m. at Riley Park for the beginning of the All-Star festivities, which includes a home run derby. First pitch is scheduled for 7:30 p.m.

Associated Press photo of Williams

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132 Responses to “Cashman to participate in Charleston all-star festivities”

  1. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Is that a picture of Mason Williams or Webster at a Yankee fantasy camp?

  2. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I’m going to attend this banquet just so I can tell Cashman how sub-optimal he is and then walk out in a huff.

  3. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Cashman looking forward to Charleston to scope for some new meat, this time not a castoff from Brigantine Castle

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    In a baseball-related matter, some people are already saying that Bmore is heading for the basement and that it was bound to happen.

    I ask this question sincerely. Do baseball fans not know that teams slump?

    Can anyone say with certainty that Baltimore isn’t just in the midst of a slump?

    In the course of a season, every team is going to go through some kind of slump, maybe two or three of them.

    I’m going to say that Baltimore is far too good a team to suddenly have forgotten how to play. And as we know from experience, all parts of your team doesn’t necessarily slump at once, though it can happen. But slumps will still affect the team overall.

  5. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Let me amend that, first I will tell Bill Murray how much I enjoyed “Groundhog Day”, then I well tell Cashman how his GM follies are like “Groundhog Day” without the happy ending, and then I will not just walk out but storm out in a huff.

  6. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I’m going to say that Baltimore is far too good a team to suddenly have forgotten how to play.

    They just forget how to play every year :twisted: They have gotten off to hot starts before.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    “I’m going to attend this banquet just so I can tell Cashman how sub-optimal he is and then walk out in a huff.”

    As we all know that your stuff is best suited for comedy and that you’re out of your league talking baseball, I’m sure that there are a few posters here who would be more than happy to provide you with every time, date, and place, that Cashman did something that hurt the Yankees.

    Plan to be at the banquet for a long time.

  8. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Nick – It would be cool if, the second you walked out the door, you found yourself right back in the same room at the same exact moment, about 2 million times in a row. If you liked the movie Groundhog Day, you’d love the book it was based on.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    nick, by the way, I don’t know from personal experience that your baseball acumen is lacking. It’s just what I read here. You know, stuff.

    :D

  10. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Nova best keep the ball down tonite, or he’s going to get to know the folks in the left field bleachers by sight

  11. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Trisha you read my reply in the previous post right

  12. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Re post

    “You think Cashman would take back the trade today? Of course. It’s called hind site. Most fans are still nimwits and can’t figure out how to set up with a team of they had the power of hindsite in their hands as a Yankee GM.”

    —————
    No it’s not called hind site as in talking out your butt. But if it was intended, it’s a great pun.

    The nimwits also comes close, as in nimrods.

    ————————–

    Nimrod definition

    What exactly is a nimrod? Should I be offended if someone calls me one?
    Rodney
    St. Paul, Minnesota

    Dear Rodney:
    We’ll go ahead and answer the second part of the question first — probably. It’s possible the person may be comparing you to a mighty king and hunter of yore, but it’s more likely that they’re calling you a dipstick.

    ———————————-

    The nimits are talking out their hind sites. That’s actually – not bad. Maybe bring in numbnuts – hmm? So many options – so little time.

  13. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    What exactly is a Nimrod’s Son? Should I be offended if someone calls me one?

    Nick
    San Francisco, California

    Dear Nick,

    We’ll go ahead and answer the second part of the question first — probably. It’s possible the person may be comparing you to a song from the Pixies’ first EP “Come On Pilgrim”, but it’s more likely that they wouldn’t know Frank Black from Frank White.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  14. Stoneburner May 30th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    Let me amend that, first I will tell Bill Murray how much I enjoyed “Groundhog Day”, then I well tell Cashman how his GM follies are like “Groundhog Day” without the happy ending, and then I will not just walk out but storm out in a huff.

    ______________

    Exactly, wait, and then you can talk to him about 2009 and a happy ending, oh wait, that’s right, that was not a happy ending because it took the Yanks six games instead of four to win the World Series. Curse you Cashman, curse you!!!

  15. blake May 30th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    The theme of Cashman’s speech will be begging Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Tyler Austin, Jose Campos, and lil Dante to pan out.

  16. yankee 221 May 30th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    BloggingBombers With Doug Fister on the DL, the Tigers will throw Casey Crosby, Rick Porcello and Justin Verlander against the Yankees this weekend.

  17. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    I’d like to tell Bill Murray how “sub-optimal” Caddyshack II was but then again he technically wasn’t involved in the film.

  18. blake May 30th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    I knew Bill Murrey had a place in Charleston…..didnt know he was co-owner of the river dogs.

    Speaking of owners…..I heard Phil Mickelson was in a group trying to buy the Padres…..pitchers everywhere will be flocking to SD to pitch in Petco and work on their golf games.

  19. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Yep so many options. I was getting sidetracked with hind sites and nimwits

    “You couldn’t find your hindsite with a nim rod”

    Nah, needs more definition.

  20. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    I sometime confuse Jack White with Jack Black.

  21. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Black and White is a common cause of confusion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChZ4Fh3CnDE

  22. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Anybody else and I might have suspected a Michal Jackson video.

  23. bruceb May 30th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Wow. Mike is bigging it up on the Mets today,,,and they deserve all the praise they are getting right now. They are doing everything the Yanks aren’t doing – hitting with RISP, overcoming a multitude of injuries and playing with determination and enthusiasm. How long it will last nobody knows. And, of course, the Yankees are still more likely to make the playoffs. I know this is a Yankees blog, not a Mets blog, but I can’t help but admire the passion and panache currently being shown by Terry Collins.

  24. mick May 30th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Jack Black was excellent in Bernie.
    Bill Murray will play FDR in an upcoming movie.

  25. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    We all know, people are the same wherever you go. There is good and bad in everyone. We learn to live and we learn to give what we need to survive, together alive.

  26. mick May 30th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    The AL and NL East have eerily similar pennant races.

  27. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Rays lose! :grin:

  28. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    SS is also the address of a guy named Jeter. Again, they exiled a young player that should be improving inna Yankee Uni to Siberia.

    ————-

    They exiled Nunez the day Jeter signed the extension.

  29. Villa Nova-Ya May 30th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Nick in SF -

    (4:05 post) Guffaw!!!

  30. yankee 221 May 30th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    “The AL and NL East have eerily similar pennant races.”

    Yep.

    2 ultra-talented teams in the basement, but over .500 (Boston/Philly)
    2 mediocre teams in 4th place (Atlanta/Toronto)
    Both NY teams tied for 3rd, one overachieving one underachieving
    Both Florida teams in 2nd place
    Both Beltway teams in 1st place

  31. TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Once upon a time the NYY were young athletic hungry ball players. A good majority of them added steroids to the mix to break every known record in baseball. You have to face the facts, this team has leftover druggies (maybe some even pump up still in the off season) who once knocked the stitches off the ball over 50x a season. The lineup was as scary as coaching third base with Scheffield at the plate, each and every player had a hunger about them to play ball and play harder to defy any physical limitations. Once so hungry to dive face first into the fans to catch a foul ball. Gearing up in the locker room anticipating the epic voice of Bob Shepard. This NYY team gave the field all they could day in and day out.

    The spark flashes at times still, i see it. Yet, it flares out just as fast. I am witnessing the downslide of my heroes each game. I dont want them to fail, i want them to win and not look back. Andy being back reminds me of the greatness that this team once was. I miss the PEDs and watching these super hero like bats hit a ball outside the stadium. Bob’s voice reverberating throughout the park! Jeter said it best,”the old stadium made it feel the fans were right on top of you” and at times it was so loud you couldnt here yourself think. Now you dont have to worry about missing the chymes of an incoming txt msg or will you see your favorite player blocked off by blue barracades protected by NYPD what they look like in regular clothes or the fact that the Rocket drives a Hummer. What we get is the glamourous shopping park with delicious meals, priviledged seats and no magical voice letting you know that these are the NEW YORK YANKEES.

    I see the the lacsadaisicle approach, the forbes 1000 take the field with all their jewelry, dive into the stands, no way! I have a date tonight for a face peal and pedicure. The manager is a news anchor their to moves his “pieces” around like Cashman calls them. On any given night you’ll here the manager Girardi tell you that “He looked fantastic” or “Namey is showing good things” constantly grabbing at straws since he knows the agreement with the msdia limits tough questions or you’ll be banned from media passes.

    This team has fallen, its become acceptable to have a below .200 hitting catcher, super stars with the right to ignore their manager since he was never a respected player anyway, pushing 40 year olds or in the case of Tex playing like your 40 and worrying about juicing and charities now that you got your grand slam payday, all the while blaming others for your lack of performance, unless facing the Bartolo Colognes, oh wait isnt he ours? We dont go after the Chapman’s, Darvish’s, Princes or Kings, why ? Well we have Arod and Jeter, there names alone fill seats if not their bombing bronx bats. So the story continues with a mediocre product on the field due to age, past drug abuse, filling holes type of players. A mediocre manager who think intuition is what he pays to send his kids to private school, a completely wild canon Cashman with “The Boss” to answer to anymore and an excel speadsheet warrior who must find Waldo to avoid luxury taxes on his billion dollar ball club. We fans are loyal even if we can only afford the upper deck or bleachers.. Why do they deserve our loyalty you might ask? Because of the greatness that once was and an unwillingness to admit that what once was has changed from almost every aspect.

  32. mick May 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Nice writing Big Out…yours?

  33. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Martin isn’t that old and Martin is much better defensively so given their same offense so far this year martin has helped us more

    -

    Martin is 29 and has been injured or terrible the last 4 years. He is going nowhere. Montero would be performing better playing in NYS and has hit very well when catching. He would have made a fine backup catcher learning the ropes from Girardi/Tony Pena.
    *****

    total speculation…we do know his OPS is the same as martin’s and we do know he still can’t throw people out and we do know his footwork is awful. the rest is projection…even if I agree Montero will hit better than Martin, the point is so far for this year Montero would have been a negative based on what we know and not what we project. To be fair, we also know that we have gotten zero from our trade so we surely are not ahead

  34. comet May 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    GM thanks for the link. Interesting analysis.
    Are you from the Great White North?

  35. blake May 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    GM,

    But what we also know is that Martin cant hit and they need offense going forward…..Martin isnt going to provide….Montero might have. They need to try and trade for a young bat if someone will trade one….problem is that nobody really is.

  36. theREALkevin May 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    It’s funny that some people seem to think Cashman is irreplaceable. There are plenty of front office people who have very good track records & have not been given a shot at a GM job yet. He has been there forever and considering the Yankees resources his performance has been inconsistent. Overall he is an above average GM but it’s past time for a change. It’s stale. Same goes for Girardi.

  37. mick May 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    2 ultra-talented teams in the basement, but over .500 (Boston/Philly)
    =============================
    yankee 221-nice take. I just thought they were all close in the standings.
    I also see a bunch of .500 teams .

    don’t know about boston-they seem overrated-living from their past rep.

    in fact, the entire AL East could be considered overrated and/or underachieving
    while the NL East could be called mediocre to overachieving.

    certainly nobody calls the divisions equal. (DH rules)

  38. mick May 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    But what we also know is that Martin cant hit
    =============================
    he should hit .250-260

  39. Stoneburner May 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    They need to try and trade for a young bat

    ____________

    Why must it be young? Why can’t it be a bat that produces? Are you willing to take a step back for a few seasons, and wait patiently for a young bat to develop- and go through the ups and downs? Not every young bat performs like Cano – and heck even Cano in 2008 was almost run out of town. People hardly have any patience for an established hitter like Mark Teixeira – are you going to really tell me that you are willing to put up with two, three, maybe in four seasons of subpar below WAR performance waiting for a hitter to become consistent and established? Heck, even Justin Upton is running into problems – to say nothing of the Hanley Ramirez situation for the last year and a quarter. Fans talk a good game about developing young bats for this organization, they have a terrible track record in following through with the same patience when it means sacraficing the win column.

  40. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Why must it be young?

    They need a bat on the upswing. If you trade for an older player you’re just risking needing to do it all over again.

  41. blake May 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    “Why must it be young? Why can’t it be a bat that produces”

    The budget.

  42. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Comet – NJ.

  43. TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Mick

    Thanks, i actually wrote that from the dentist chair :) before any narcotics were administered. It wasnt well thought out just came out.

  44. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    It’s not like Martin is throwing out base runners at a great rate. He’s below league average.

  45. TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    But really the writing was just a rant like usual. A lot of mistakes, but i do appreciate that you took the time to read it.Im not even sure i said what i wanted to.

  46. Nilsson May 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Just looking through some numbers of the Charleston farm club. Lol at Tyler Austin’s OPS. And it’s well over 200 plate appearances for him. I understand the conservative approach, but challenge the kid a little bit already.

  47. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Why must it be young?

    —————————

    Because there are spots in the line-up that are old, declining, potentially leaving in a yr or two, or just flat out suck

  48. TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Martin isnt doing much of anything. If Cervelli came up and we DFA’d Martin who would think twice about it? In fact id take Cervelli or as Girardi calls him “Cervy” ughh .. In a heartbeat.

    After Martin declined a guaranteed 3 yr deal to play with yankees — thankfully– it just showed me a lot about his character.

    Get rid of the bum.

  49. REZ12 May 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Fans talk a good game about developing young bats for this organization, they have a terrible track record in following through with the same patience when it means sacraficing the win column.

    —————

    It’s better than what we have now. We’re not very good AND we don’t have much in the way of young players close to ML ready, nor are we likely going to be active for the top guys in the FA market to add to the team.

    This isn’t 08 when the only question was, which combination of top FAs would they sign? Would it be CC/Tex/Sheets, CC/Manny/Burnett, CC/Lowe/Tex/Manny, CC/Burnett/Lowe?

  50. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    I don’t think having Martin with his normal around .700 OPS would be a problem if we didn’t have other issues. bad defensive catchers give up a lot of extra bases…even just on SB’s.

    Montero Innings caught 186. 4 passed balls and allowed 16 SB’s while throwing out 3 guys
    Martin Innings caught 330. 3 passed balls and has allowed 21 SB’s (caught 7 – should have been 8 last night). SB’s should subtract 2 for every caught stealing so Montero has allowed 10 SB’s and Martin allowed 7.

    Equalized for innings
    Montero – 7 passed balls, 18 SB’s
    Martin – 3 passed balls, 7 SB’s.

    So Montero has allowed 15 extra bases catching in let’s call it a 3rd of the year. added to Martin’s OPS that is .134 extra points making his OPS .806 compared to Montero’s .680. This also does not include making more plays in front of home plate or blocking balls etc…it is a rough way to look at it with real numbers.

    I just don’t think people understand how bad his defense really is, however, I would not be surprised to see Montero hit .806 OPS so that would make them even and it does give you an idea how much better offensively Montero needs to be to make up for his defense. Then again if Martin were hitting at .720 which is where I was hopeful he could get, Montero would need an OPS of .854 to be equal with him.

  51. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    As I said this does not take into account other facets of a catcher and also does not take into account that the Yankee pitchers outside of Pettitte don’t really hold runners on.

    yesterday Martin threw out the guy so it really should be 20-8 which would be on league average (barely better). Martin throws fantastic though and Stewart does as well although Stewarts 5 passed balls are atrocious.

  52. mykyl1 May 30th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Nice to see the Cashman will participate in the festivities. Does that mean he will put the moves on young girls whos rent he will pay and then pay for breast implants. The Yankee media pupets may not be allowed to ask but I am . Hey Brian are you gearing up fo the event. Bring lots of cash bro.

    But dont pay any attention to young talented ball players. Ignoring them is what you do best. Too busy doing the sexual harresment thing with your staff.

  53. AZ88 May 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Martin is just a fantastic defensive catcher and game caller, he could be our catcher for the next 10 years even if he just hits .250-.260. Offense doesn’t accurately define his value – he saves runs, baserunners, and lowers the staff ERA with his work behind the dish.

  54. mykyl1 May 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Oh by the way the new Mall you built that you call Yankee Stadium is the worst billion dollars ever spent. That an a quarter billion on Arod. Nice job you piece of garbage GM. You are the biggest joke in all of baseball. The new stadium is a joke with thousands of empty lower seats. Go to a Phillies game, feel the energy. Ask the people in the first 10 rows what they paid. Brian Cashman the biggest idiot on the face of the planet.

  55. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Oh by the way the new Mall you built that you call Yankee Stadium is the worst billion dollars ever spent. That an a quarter billion on Arod. Nice job you piece of garbage GM.

    ——————–

    To be fair Cashman had no control over A-rod or the stadium.

  56. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Of course the fact that Cashman wasn’t in favor of signing ARod for 10 years shouldn’t get in your way…or that he didn;t want Soriano for 45 for 3 either (which even with our guys out has been a poor use of resources.

  57. disco stu May 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    BIg Out … could you at least acknowledge in your diatribe that the Yankees won the WS in 2009 and followed up the last 2 seasons with post season appearances where in 2010 they came within 2 games of going back to WS and then last year had the best record in AL?

    I know the first 2 months have been frustrating to watch, but I think it is a little unfair to speak as if the “greatness that once was” goes back only to the ’96-’01 Dynasty Years.

  58. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    If Martin could give us the .732 OPS he had for the year last year that would be very suitable to me. His first 3 years in the league he was dynamite, but then, well, he was a good defensive catcher

  59. mick May 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    I know the first 2 months have been frustrating to watch, but I think it is a little unfair to speak as if the “greatness that once was” goes back only to the ’96-’01 Dynasty Years.
    ================================================
    would this be a dynasty w/out winning the 4 rings?
    maybe outside of NY but not here…

  60. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    disco stu…please refrain from using logic and perspective…there is none of that allowed here.

  61. mick May 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Mick

    Thanks, i actually wrote that from the dentist chair :) before any narcotics were administered.
    ===========================================
    Could have sworn you were on something…

  62. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    genius maker-

    all your figuring doesn’t change the fact that montero’s cera is 3.92 and martins cera is 4.52.

    the question is what sabermetric facts do you want to go by.

    according to cera, montero is the better catcher.

    and what are those funny numbers in your post 0f 18 stolen bases for montero and 7 stolen bases for martin.

    i’m assuming that’s the differential, but what does that mean? there’s no relationship between one throw out and one stolen base i know of that creates a stat.

    looks like you are playing a little hanky panky with numbers to make a point you have before you look at numbers :)

    that’s the real problem i have with sabermetrics. too many people have a point of view and then make up numbers to prove their viewpoint.

    the fact is montero is 22 and is playing decently in the major leagues.
    martin is on the way downhill for some reason.

    these two players don’t have a whole lot in common. montero’s future is ahead of him and martin’s best years seem behind him.

    personally, i think martin should lift fewer weights and swing the bat more.
    i’m not big on muscle-heads and that’s the way i perceive martin.
    working out is fine, but work on baseball.

  63. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    “Offense doesn’t accurately define his value – he saves runs, baserunners, and lowers the staff ERA with his work behind the dish.”

    actually martin is not lowering the staff era. he has that catcher era of 4.52

  64. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    That defense adjusted OPS thing doesn’t seem like a particularly reliable metric to compare players or make decisions based on.

  65. TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    AZ88 are you Martins agent or something? Martin is nothing more than an avg defensive catcher with a below avg bat. Actually, he doesnt even seem capable of hitting mediocre pitching most of the time. Not every defensive geared C has to be the worst bat in baseball, maybe on the Padres or elsewhere but this is the NYY if you pardon my reminder of that.

    Either you know Martin personally or you are just repeating Girardi rhetoric. Either way, anyone that watches this team often knows how worthless and replacable he is. Nice try though.

  66. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Other than that one pitch framing article, what statistical evidence is there that Martin is an excellent defensive catcher?

  67. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    randy l-

    Just for the record, sabermetric types don’t go in much for cera. They think it’s a bogus stat.

  68. TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Disco stu, appreciate your opinion and it really is ok to disagree. I just dont see this team the way you do. I think there on downward spiral abd its only gonna get worse. The 2009 team was special but we arent close to that team anymore.

  69. blake May 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Martin is a lot closer to a good big league BUC than he is to a good big league starting catcher.

  70. TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Also ive been watching the Yanks since the late 70′s, i miss the old stadium, george and bob shep dearly.

    Theres a lot to Not like about what i see from the front office , the stadium and onward down. Just saying my take on it is all. I do appreciate you are respectfully disagreeing with me.

  71. blake May 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    “The 2009 team was special but we arent close to that team anymore.”

    I think the 2009 team was better and younger than this team……but I also think they faced worse competition than this team likely will and what the 2010 and 2011 teams did in the postseason…….so its a double whammy

  72. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    martin 2012 cera -4.52
    yankees team era- 4.11

    2011 cera-3.70
    yankees team era 3.73

    2010 cera 4.04
    dodgers era 2010- 4.01

    martin doesn’t seem to be any better than the other catchers defensively in the last three years
    if you look at just cera.

    of course , martin may not be catching his team’s ace and the other catchers are in these years.
    cera is really highly dependent on who the catcher is catching.

  73. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    CERA was used quite a lot on this blog to bash Posada in 2009.

    Funny.

  74. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Randy, the problem you are having is my numbers weren’t SABR numbers and then you threw CERA out there yet that is irrelevant unless you are catching the same pitchers on the same staff *(and same park). The numbers are good if you know what you are looking at. A passed ball is a passed ball. SB numbers can be skewed based on staff, but they do show how often they are going against a team and Stewart has caught our better pitchers and the Yanks pitchers are not very focused on SB’s. Kuroda is the only one outside of Pettitte. in his 22 innings with Yanks last year Montero allowed 4 SB’s while catching one…so he is consistent. It is not a coincidence that Martin threw out 39% of the base stealers in his last year with the Dodgers and then came to the Yanks and it dropped to 30%.

    As for the SB’s, it is common knowledge that you need to steal 2 bases for every time you get caught before you benefit your team so on the same token I took away 2 SB’s for every CS the catchers had.

    I hope that explains it.

  75. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    “cera is really highly dependent on who the catcher is catching.”

    Which is one of the reasons the stat is no good. The other reason being high variability and poor predictive quality.

    But Martin hasn’t been a factor offensively since 2008. If the Yanks are insisting on a good defensive catcher, they can find one a lot cheaper than Martin.

  76. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Nick in SF-

    None of the LoHud sabermetric types were Posada bashers.

  77. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    and BTW, I don;t make things up to prove my point…I am always in search of the truth and let the numbers take me where they go and where my scouting takes me. Some people don;t trust numbers because they don;t understand them. Me, I was a player but evolved to understand the numbers because I am good with stats/math…even if my brother was the one that got the perfect 800 in his SAT’s…I have a good handle on numbers.

  78. blake May 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    “But Martin hasn’t been a factor offensively since 2008. If the Yanks are insisting on a good defensive catcher, they can find one a lot cheaper than Martin.”

    Heck they have one on the team now they could probably bring back for the league minimum that would provide about the same production as Martin for 8 or 9 million cheaper…..Hal could probably buy a new beach hoise with that money saved.

  79. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Why not LGY? It actually makes a lot of sense…or do you want to just say he is good defensively and leave it at that. i did the same with Gardner before. It allows you to quantify it without using too many defensive stats that honestly have too many flaws in them…even if they did support my opinion about Jeter’s defense when he was last in RF and ZR for many years…I still think they are flawed and maybe only hold water if a trend is there

  80. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    “Just for the record, sabermetric types don’t go in much for cera. They think it’s a bogus stat.”

    i think it could sometimes be a bogus stat simply because martin may not catch sabathia and stewart might for example.

    but the simple fact is that martin doesn’t get a lower era out of his pitchers. if he doesn’t then why is he considered a good defensive catcher?

    isn’t the idea to prevent runs .

    is martin really doing that?

    if sabermetric people don’t like cera, what do they like for defensive metrics with catchers?

    i think there are probably more intangibles with a catcher defensively than most positions because there are so many ways a catcher can impact a game.

    just simply calling the game is one aspect. what metric measures that?

  81. AZ88 May 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    That 09 team was loaded though

    All 8 starters had an OPS over .850 – that is remarkable. Even Melky hit 13 HRs and drove in 70 from the 9 spot. Guys like Hairston/Hinske/Molina/Gardner on the bench.

    The bullpen was nasty, in the 2nd half they were throwing out Rivera-Hughes-Aceves-Robertson-Coke-Bruney and Marte came on strong at the end.

    The rotation was questionable, they kind of patched it together. The key is that they were outstanding in the playoffs. CC’s only good postseason came that year. Andy was money. Burnett was good in his game 2s.

  82. TheBigOut May 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Blake,

    Exactly. I want to send him a thank you card for declining the 3yr deal. I can barely stomach 1 game with him in it let alone 3 years. Id love to know if he talked his agent out of it or what the dynamic was. Quite clearly they were both morons for refusing the deal, but the agent should know what the player he represents true value is, or at least close to it.

    This is actually one case where we didnt get a contract signed and we ended up winning for it.

  83. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Wave,

    I know, if I’d added a qualifier it would have been thet CERA was used ignorantly to bash Posada in 2009. Perhaps maliciously as well. Funny to see it crop up again now in this context.

  84. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Martin has an incredibly quick release with a strong arm that is accurate. That is his main defensive plus. Maybe it is just because I was a catcher, but he is an elite thrower…as is Stewart. People used to talk about Molina…Molina is not in these guys leagues for getting the ball form the time it hits their mitt to the time and place it gets to 2nd. Stewart just has had trouble catching the ball this year

  85. blake May 30th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    We should ask Donnybrook’s eyes if Martin is a good defensive catcher……thats definitive

  86. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    ” A passed ball is a passed ball”

    not necessarily.

    it’s harder to catch a knuckleball for example or a pitcher who has a lot of movement.

  87. DaveD May 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    The Twins were awful, the Angels had Jon Lackey and Joe Saunders as their top 2 starters, the Phillies had Lee, the ghost of Pedro, and a disinterested Cole Hamels as their starters.

    The competition this year is exceedingly more difficult. I’d say Boston, Tampa, Detroit, Angels, Texas are all considerably better than any of those teams in 09.

  88. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    “if sabermetric people don’t like cera, what do they like for defensive metrics with catchers?”

    Beats me, randy l. I’ve always preferred catchers who hit, myself. Of course they need to be able to catch the ball and throw some runners out, too.

  89. blake May 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    The competition this year is exceedingly more difficult. I’d say Boston, Tampa, Detroit, Angels, Texas are all considerably better than any of those teams in 09.”

    Its not even close

  90. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    ” A passed ball is a passed ball”

    not necessarily.

    it’s harder to catch a knuckleball for example or a pitcher who has a lot of movement.
    *********

    Correct, but neither team has a knuckleballer do they? and yes a pitcher may cross up a catcher as well and if the pitch thrown is a fastball and you are expecting a breaking ball it is very hard to stop the pitch. Martin made an incredibly athletic play on one early this year that he was able to somehow flag down…that is really hard

    Randy you asked how to measure…I tried with PB’s and SB’s and some of it is the eye. In the league they have stop watches on how quickly a catcher can get the ball and get it down to 2nd, but you have to be good with the stop watch.

    Another reason why CERA can be flawed is who is playing defense when the catcher is there and what team they are playing against. If I always get Hughes when we play a good hitting team, my CERA will look worse than getting CC against KC.

  91. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Pat Venditte has a torn labrum in his right shoulder. Who get’s blamed? The Cashman who signs damaged goods or the Cashman for not knowing how to develop pitchers?

  92. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    “Pat Venditte has a torn labrum in his right shoulder.”

    Well he can just throw lefty then…

  93. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    defensive metrics are pretty poor in general and because of the nuances of catchers it gets more pronounced, but you can look at SB’s as a gauge of throwing prowess. In looking around the league, Martin and Stewart may be the two best in the league at the overall throw down to 2nd. I actually had Martin slightly ahead in my own scouting because I think his release is slightly quicker, but Stewart has made two backhanded short hops where he made perfect throws to get guys and that is amazing to me. Those were the good ole days…throwing guys out was the best

  94. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    The guy who allowed he and Pineda to have the epic arm wrestling battle

  95. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    that was for the “Pat Venditte has a torn labrum in his right shoulder.” comment

  96. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    ” he is an elite thrower…as is Stewart.”

    i don’t really think of martin as an elite thrower.good but not elite. martin’s 14th in cs% right now.

    he’s at 25% right now that’s not elite.

    martin 30% lifetime.
    ivan rodriguez 37%

    no doubt martin throws the ball well, but elite?
    i don’t think so.

  97. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Matt Wieters is an elite thrower.

  98. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
    randy l-

    Just for the record, sabermetric types don’t go in much for cera. They think it’s a bogus stat.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    So are most of the other sabermetrics…just for the record.

  99. Pat M. May 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    I had a long conversation with SJ earlier and we both wondered just how much talent would The Yanks haul in by trading Cano, Granderson and Hughes ????? More than what Texas received for Texeria, a lot more…….

  100. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    the genius maker-

    i think we do agree that it’ hard to evaluate a catcher with just a few stats because there are so many dimensions to catching.

    ironically, most teams that value sabermetrics seem to tend to not steal too often. this actually allows the opposing team to put in good hitting catchers who don’t throw well.

    if the whole league went sabermetric, catchers wouldn’t have to throw that much. if every team stole a lot good throwers would be needed.

    this is why it’s a game that is in constant flux. paper, scissors, rock in a way.

  101. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Martin made a great throw last night and the ump missed the call. His 25% should actually be 28%

  102. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    So are most of the other sabermetrics…just for the record.

    ——-

    Except for pitcher similarity scores, of course

  103. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    One thing to consider is the rate at which runners attempt.

    Wieter’s allows an attempt every 12.55 innings (12.5 last year). And then throws them out at a high rate.
    Montero this year every 9.78 innings.
    Martin every 11.78 innings (7.73 last year).

  104. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    “So are most of the other sabermetrics…just for the record.”

    Why stop there? The only reason folks like BA and ERA is because someone thought of them ages ago, but heck, once upon a time they were just dumb stats too.

    I think we should just get rid of them all. Get rid of runs scored and runs allowed, too. The fans at the game should just vote on the winner based on what their eyes saw.

    That’s the only pure way.

  105. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    ironically, most teams that value sabermetrics seem to tend to not steal too often.

    The idea isn’t to not steal, but to steal at a high success rate.

  106. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Jamie Moyer is available, wasn’t someone hoping Hughes would turn into him the other day?

  107. DaveD May 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    “I had a long conversation with SJ earlier and we both wondered just how much talent would The Yanks haul in by trading Cano, Granderson and Hughe”

    If you combined them… I’d go for the following packages:

    To the Marlins for Stanton, Lo-Mo, Nolasco
    To the Royals for Will Myer and Mike Moustakas
    To the Mariners for King Felix and Montero
    To the Braves for Hanson and Heyward
    To the Giants for Bumgarner, Melky, and Crawford
    To the Cubs for Castro, Soto, and Garza

  108. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Why stop there? The only reason folks like BA and ERA is because someone thought of them ages ago, but heck, once upon a time they were just dumb stats too.

    Stats like batting average, on base, era, and the like are actually quite convoluted when you think about them.

  109. Pat M. May 30th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Move Swisher as soon as Gardner returns… The Phillies have been scouting Swisher since before spring training

  110. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    But here’s why this whole “It’s so confusing” argument amuses me so much: People will tell you that the new stats are too convoluted or manufactured … and yet there are NO stats more convoluted and manufactured than the basic statistics that baseball has been built around for more than 100 years.

    Some of this should be obvious. Batting average? It’s ridiculous. Preposterous. Imagine that no one had ever come up with batting average before … and then someone on a blog came up with with this idea:

    Blogger: I have come up with a new statistic. It involves balls put in play. I call it batting average.
    Establishment: Great! How’s it work?
    B: See, what we’ll do is, we’ll take the number of hits that the batter has and divide it by the number of at-bats that he has in order to determine how often he gets a hit.
    E: That sounds like on-base percentage. What’s the difference?
    B: Well, it’s all in what you call “at-bats” For one thing, we don’t count walks.
    E: What do you mean you don’t count walks?
    B: They don’t count. We take plate appearances and subtract walks. They never happened.
    E: How can a walk never happen?
    B: It just doesn’t.
    E: Aren’t walks good things? Like in Little League, we always say “Walk’s as good as a hit.”
    B: I hate walks. They’re gone. So let’s say a guy comes to the plate 12 times, and he gets four hits and walks twice …
    E: Right … that’s a .500 on-base percentage.
    B: Exactly, but if you just subtract the walks, you will see that he has a .400 batting average.
    E: Um, OK.
    B: But there are other things. If you hit a fly ball, and someone tags up and scores a run, that does not count as an at-bat.
    E: Why not?
    B: Because you are sacrificing yourself for the betterment of the team? I call it a sacrifice fly. Get it?
    E: Well, what are you sacrificing if it doesn’t even count against your stats?
    B: You just are, OK?
    E: What if you hit a ground ball and the runner scores.
    B: How’s that?
    E: Let’s say the infield’s back and a guy hits a ground ball to get the run in. How do you score that?
    B: No, that’s not a sacrifice fly.
    E Why not? Doesn’t that accomplish the same thing?
    B: It just isn’t. Come on, pay attention. What’s it called. Sacrifice FLY? Hello! He didn’t hit a fly ball.
    E: It just seems to me …
    B: Sacrifice bunts also do not count as at-bats. And when you get hit by a pitch … doesn’t count.
    E You don’t get any statistical notice for getting hit by a pitch?
    B: Like it never happened.
    E: I’m afraid to ask this: What happens if you reach on an error.
    B: That’s the beauty of this system. According to my new batting average, you’re out.
    E: But you’re not really out.
    B: I know. Isn’t it great?
    E: Why does this have to be so complicated?
    B: It’s batting average! It will take over the world!

    Of course Joe Posnanski gets to the heart of it with his trade mark flair.

  111. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    I’m out of here. I’m sure when I check back in randy l will still dislike the Montero trade, GB7 will still dislike sabermetrics and Nick in SF will still be funny. Hope the Yanks win tonight.

  112. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    How about…. it’s the % of at bats that you get a hit but you don’t get punished for walks because even though you didn’t get a hit you are reaching base.

  113. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Where will Jamie Moyer show up next, after being DFA’d by the Rockies?

  114. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Pat M-

    FA swap of Swisher for Victorino?

    To Braves for Prado?

  115. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Where will Jamie Moyer show up next, after being DFA’d by the Rockies?
    —————————————
    Commentator for MLB.TV?

  116. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Can’t see Swisher being moved until Gardner is healthy and showing something with the bat. Mustilier is not a fulltime outfielder. He’s also slumping at this time. Trading one outfielder for another isn’t likely to accomplish anything.

  117. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    Where will Jamie Moyer show up next, after being DFA’d by the Rockies?
    —————————————
    Commentator for MLB.TV?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    If he continues pitching, SD, LA or ST. L?

  118. blake May 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Pat M,

    What would you ask for Swisher from Philly?

    The Yanks coukd get a ton for Cano…..but I think youre spinning your wheels by trading hin unless I mean its a kings ransom….Id prefer to keep him and add to him.

  119. austinmac May 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    If the Yankees are going to stay below $189, and I believe they are, they must consider trading their top assets, including Cano. It should be done sooner rather than later for full value.

    Personally, I much prefer spending more money. I suspect they will do neither.

  120. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    SD just picked up Marquis.

    Maybe with Halladay out he returns to Philly, he’s from PA.

    Time for dinner.

    New Post with lineup————->

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    The Phillies should sell and try to restock for next year……trade Hamels and Victorino for as much as they can get…..tbey coukd always try and re-sign them thjs winter.

    The Phils dont have much Id want for Swisher except Hamels and if they deal Cole they are selling and wouldnt have use for Swish anyway

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