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Pregame notes: “We’ve run into a little bit of everything”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on May 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Bases-loaded statistics can be nit-picky. Robinson Cano is 1-for-10 with the bases loaded this season, but he was 8-for-18 with three grand slams last year. When stats get too specific, they occasionally fall into a small sample size zone that keeps them from meaning much in the big picture. For the Yankees, though, the small picture matters right now. And right now they’re not producing with the bases loaded, a trend that’s part of their larger problem with runners in scoring position.

“We’ve run into a little bit of everything,” Joe Girardi said. “Some guys not swinging the bat very well with the bases loaded, (other) guys hitting the ball hard with the bases loaded and making outs. It’s unfortunate, but we’re still okay. Obviously we’d like to be in a little better position than we are right now, but we’re okay. We’ve just got to turn it around.”

The bases-loaded trend hurt the Yankees last night when Robinson Cano struck out twice with the bases full. A big hit in either of those situations could have changed the game significantly. The Yankees have had 53 at-bats with the bases loaded this season, the second-most in baseball. They’ve hit .151 in those situations, the second-worst in the American League.

The two biggest culprits have been Cano and Alex Rodriguez, who are a combined 2-for-19. Both hit at least .400 with the bases loaded last season.

“I’ve been getting myself out, pretty simple,” Rodriguez said. “Chasing borderline pitches. There are some pitches that are sort of sucker pitches, pitches that look like strikes but they’re not, or pitches that look like they’re decent pitches but they’re pitchers’ pitches. Those are the pitches that you have to lay off or kind of work the count in your favor, they either give into you or walk you.

“… I think overall our at-bats (with the bases loaded) haven’t been really quality. The one thing is, (pitchers are) the ones that have the pressure. You’ve got to swing at strikes and take your A swing. After that, you do exactly kind of what Swisher did last night, and if they make great plays then you tip your cap. But up to that point, we have to do what we do.”

• Brett Gardner did tee and toss today, and he’ll likely do the same tomorrow. He’ll need to take some live batting practice before getting into a game. Girardi said he’s not sure when Gardner will be ready to start a rehab assignment.

• Dave Robertson had a scheduled day off today. He’ll resume throwing tomorrow and should be on a mound Saturday. Still not sure when he’ll get into a game either, but the stiffness he initially felt when he started throwing again has gone away. Progressing as expected.

• Ivan Nova had some nagging lower-body issues — his foot, his hamstring — but Girardi said none of those have affected him in the past few days. There are no lingering health concerns with him heading into tonight’s start. “He’s been good,” Girardi said. “He hasn’t talked about it. He’s been healthy, so that’s a good sign. Your legs are so important to pitching.”

• Hard to say this is connected to last night’s strikeouts because he does it all the time, but Cano was out early to hit with Kevin Long today. “He just hit a home run to dead center a couple days ago,” Girardi said. “I don’t get too caught up. Guys like routine. They like to do some drills. When you’re on a long road trip, you have to come out early sometimes.”

• On this date, 17 years ago, Derek Jeter had his first career hit. He now has 3,158 in his career, the most in the big leagues in that span. Rodriguez is second with 2,805.

• CC Sabathia will be the Yankees representative at the MLB draft on Monday. The Yankees have the 30th overall selection.

• Jim Abbott is going to throw out the first pitch today.

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43 Responses to “Pregame notes: “We’ve run into a little bit of everything””

  1. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Tribute to Kim Abbott with the box score of his no-hitter:

    http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....1993.shtml

  2. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    “Some guys not swinging the bat very well with the bases loaded, (other) guys hitting the ball hard with the bases loaded and making outs.
    __

    Maybe just try putting the ball in play and stop swinging for the fences in most AB? Nah…

  3. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Holy Mariners

  4. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    The Mariner’s are going for a record. 15-0 with 1 out in the third.

  5. blake May 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    unreal

  6. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Mariners have a monthly run quota or they don’t get their meal money. :?:

  7. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Seriously why all the secrecy who is doing this “scouting” and what is their background? Is that to much to ask

    ——

    What are you talking about secrecy? Do you know who works at ESPN or CBS sports or Yahoo Sports that supervise and compile the basic stats found on those websites?

    They are trained to watch the game with a fielding map overlay and simply input data.

  8. Pat M. May 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Nick in SF…….I’m on The Celtics tonight as I’m down to my last few hundred for all my work this season….If not for Hardin’s bucket at the buzzer in Game 1, I’d be going into my reserves……..By the way, I still owe you one Ritter bar as I took an Alpine Chocolate out and snacked on it when it came back in the mail last week…….I did substitute one bar though, how was it ????

  9. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    The Mariners are happy to get out of Safeco. 26 runs in the last 12 innings

  10. CompassRosy May 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Provided Beavan isn’t discombobulated from all the idle time … this could be a positive step for the M’s run differential

  11. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Probably could find some sucker to buy it too, huh. I wii call myself a video scout.

    ——–

    Tar,

    Also, this is no different than regular old school baseball scouts. There is no special training or certification to become a scout.

    Anyone can go to a bunch of baseball games and say I’m a scout.

  12. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Baseball Info Solutions Team

    http://www.baseballinfosolutions.com/ourteam.html

  13. CompassRosy May 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    @shannondrayer
    “Montero and Kawasaki are dancing in the dugout. Something very choreographed. Did it last last night too. Wedge said he needed a routine.”

    :)

  14. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    I suspect that Martin could dance pretty well if only he could find his way into a Mariner uniform.

  15. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Pat M, how did you like that Alpine Milk Chocolate? Simple, but very smooth.

    I haven’t sampled the bonus bar yet, I think I need permission from my doctor. ;)

  16. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    LGY

    I think it’s kind of stupid to say that I am supposed to trust some Annoymous persons eyes over mine. The fact that they work for BS. Inc. and are called ” video scouts” means nothing to me. Why so much secrecy?

    Simple question who is the video scout working for BIS that covers the Yankees?

    I question lack of transparency, people like Tango question their methods. You are familiar with the term garbage in garbage out, how do I know what they are putting in is not garbage. Do they list defensive alignments, shifts etc? Until and unless they got something definitive like a field fx, defensive stats will be rightfully ridiculed and questioned.

    I love the IPad but hate typing on this thing:mad:

  17. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    “Simple question who is the video scout working for BIS that covers the Yankees?”

    Phil Shiffley.

    Now what?

  18. Pat M. May 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    LGY…..The key to advance scouting and the resulting spray chart is to know the result on type of pitch, it’s location, the count and base running situation….All these variables are essential

  19. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    “Baseball Info Solutions Team

    http://www.baseballinfosolutions.com/ourteam.html

    Haha did you look at that team and read their bio’s. They would fail Randy’s “did they play the game test”. Maybe I see why they like the secrecy part. :wink:

  20. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    “Phil Shiffley.
    Now what?”

    Exactly, Phil is the “video scout”. LOL

  21. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Tar

    I’ll trust your eyes after you watch and chart the results of every play for an entire season and then have someone check your work to make sure you don’t have any input errors.

    What you are failing to understand is the difference between the way you watch the game and someone who is there to chart data watches the game.

  22. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    “Also, this is no different than regular old school baseball scouts. There is no special training or certification to become a scout.
    Anyone can go to a bunch of baseball games and say I’m a scout.”

    Did you look at the BIS pics? Not one with a stogie hanging out of the mouth. No stogie dangle, not a real scout in my “eyes”.

  23. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    “What you are failing to understand is the difference between the way you watch the game and someone who is there to chart data watches the game.”

    lgy-

    um it’s a game.

    it’s supposed to be fun.

    baseball is not serious enough to do all this technical stuff.

    plus it really doesn’t add much and it’s a whole lot of work and it makes people boring.

    sabermetricians= boring

    baseball players = interesting

    just play the game :)

  24. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    “I’ll trust your eyes after you watch and chart the results of every play for an entire season and then have someone check your work to make sure you don’t have any input errors.

    Garbage in- garbage out. If they are inputing garbage from day one, what difference does it make if its for the whole year?

    What you are failing to understand is the difference between the way you watch the game and someone who is there to chart data watches the game.”

    What you are falling to understand is that what they are doing is subjective. For the Yankees, I trust my subjective, or GB’s or Pat M or Jerk ( :shock: ) etc, more than any one at BIS. You can’t even tell me if they are at the game or watching video for crying out loud.

  25. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Why is it one or the another? It’s one more piece of information which can offer a check against subjective perception.

  26. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Not sure why Igarashi has bounced around so much or why he’s had trouble sticking, but he was throwing a good curve, a nasty slider and 94-96 MPH tonight, unless the Rochester gun was fast. Two innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 4 strikeouts. Betances gets the win tonight (3-4 record)

  27. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Tar May 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    “Baseball Info Solutions Team

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    BiS stands on their record of info provided and who the secret scouts are. They stand on it so nobody can check their record.

  28. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    “Why is it one or the another? It’s one more piece of information which can offer a check against subjective perception.”

    Well this is a good point. For me it’s a matter of trust I guess. But you’re right there is some value to it. How much is in the “eye” of the beholder. :wink:

  29. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    :arrow:

  30. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    LGY lets keep this conversation here if u want. Leave the game thread for the game

  31. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    “They watch game tape.”

    The same game tape that we watch? If so that’s a joke.

  32. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    “There isn’t much subjective about a video scout noting where a ball lands. The video scouts do not decide who is good, the sum of all the data does.”

    How the heck do they figure out things like positioning. Most of the time we don’t even see the shift. Speaking of which how do they account for that?

  33. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    “Rather than attending each game live, BIS video scouts record information from satellite video feeds of each game, allowing them to rewind and review each play as often as necessary to record accurate information.”

    This is supposed to impress me? Do they rate difficult plays by how many times they have to rewind? Come on there has to be better and more info than that.

  34. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    I just rewinded call me a “video scout”

  35. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    They’re former players trained to do the job. Don’t know why you have so much beef with it. Doing it live would introduce far more errors due to human memory.

    Arguing against video scouts or saying that your brain is better at their job is silly.

  36. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    I just rewinded call me a “video scout”

    Do this 1 million times for every play of every game of an entire season and collect all the data, then I would be impressed by this joke.

  37. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    “Do this 1 million times for every play of every game of an entire season and collect all the data, then I would be impressed by this joke.”

    Only 999,997 to go. I will say those BIS video scouts must get a great finger work- out. Impressive thumbs. :D

  38. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Tar,

    How do you think the data that is circulated around MLB would be collected? I really don’t understand how you fail to see the benefit of BIS. Joe Maddon is dicing up the Yankee hitters with shifts using spray charts provided by BIS.

  39. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    My point is, it not right to criticize knowledgable baseball people for using their eyes, but than rely on someone else’s anonymous eyes. That bothers me.

    Spray charts is different, counting stats are different. Ive actually learned a lot from you in using some advanced stats to further my side of a debate. But until or unles they come up with a field FX, I will not have much use for defensive stats or UZR.

  40. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    My point is, it not right to criticize knowledgable baseball people for using their eyes, but than rely on someone else’s anonymous eyes. That bothers me.

    Spray charts is different,

    No, you’re just mashing together 2 different concepts and counting it as the same. There is nothing different from a video scout creating UZR inputs and creating a spray chart. They are basically the same damn thing. Baseball people who ‘rely on their eyes’ are NOT the same as a person whose job it is to solely watch the game in great detail step by step AFTER the fact and record data.

    Not even close to the same. A video scout marks the speed off the bat, the type of batted ball, and the location down to the pixel on a computerized map. The sum of all that data is used to create UZR.

    Its not like a video scout is saying Jeter is bad at defense, its the sum of all the data provided that is making the argument.

    Absolutely NOT the same as someone who is relying purely on memory.

  41. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    I really shouldnt be criticizing BIS as a whole, although like I said earlier I would like to see more transparency. I do have an issue with UZR.

    Spray chart tells me where the ball was hit. That’s usefull information.

    UZR is telling me if a player should have caught that ball. Without telling me anything else like positioning. (I actually think the Yankees kind of suck and teams like the Rays excell at that.) there is too many examples of them getting it wrong. Too many variables that takes a human interpretation for me to “trust” them more than someone like you or me at least when talking about the Yankees.

    Rich did make a good point, I can’t say UZR has no value, because it does. but it should be treated with a healthy dose of skepticism.

  42. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    UZR is telling me if a player should have caught that ball.

    But only because the data says most players have caught a ball at a similar speed in the same spot. Thats the point of collecting all the data. Its not perfect but its infinitely better than someone just watching the game or trying to rely on memory. Consider that before UZR you were just relying on put outs and assists and errors, it beats that by a mile.

  43. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    “But only because the data says most players have caught a ball at a similar speed in the same spot. ”

    Positioning, wind, sun, ball speed, type of surface, and I’m too tired to come up with anymore all play a roll in the outcome.

    Consider that before UZR you were just relying on put outs and assists and errors, it beats that by a mile.”

    Yeah I can agree with that. Thanks for the conversation, early wake-up tmw. watch the rest of the game in the AM. Good night


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