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Regular lineup for Angels series finale

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez LF
Nick Swisher RF
Eric Chavez DH
Russell Martin C

RHP Ivan Nova

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84 Responses to “Regular lineup for Angels series finale”

  1. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Can’t see Swisher being moved until Gardner is healthy and showing something with the bat. Mustilier is not a fulltime outfielder. He’s also slumping at this time. Trading one outfielder for another isn’t likely to accomplish anything.

  2. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    Where will Jamie Moyer show up next, after being DFA’d by the Rockies?
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    Commentator for MLB.TV?

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    If he continues pitching, SD, LA or ST. L?

  3. blake May 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    The Phillies should sell and try to restock for next year……trade Hamels and Victorino for as much as they can get…..tbey coukd always try and re-sign them thjs winter.

    The Phils dont have much Id want for Swisher except Hamels and if they deal Cole they are selling and wouldnt have use for Swish anyway

  4. comet May 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Hope Tom in Georgia had a good with his surgery. Hope everything went well for him and that he is back here soon.

  5. randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    so did we just have an open minded baseball conversation about catching and catchers with opposing viewpoints but no open hostility?

    interesting.

  6. comet May 30th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    SD would likely suit Moyer IF he is interested.

  7. blake May 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    so did we just have an open minded baseball conversation about catching and catchers with opposing viewpoints but no open hostility?”

    I knkw…..Ill have to read it later and see who was right :)

  8. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    I knkw…..Ill have to read it later and see who was right :)

    ————

    It’s probably quite boring. :wink:

  9. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Cody Johnson breaks the 3-3 tie in the 8th inning of last night’s suspended game with his 13th homer, this one over the scoreboard in center field.

  10. jacksquat May 30th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    randy l. May 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    so did we just have an open minded baseball conversation about catching and catchers with opposing viewpoints but no open hostility?

    interesting.

    You want hostility? Ok.

    Comparing CERA for catchers on different teams is stupid.

    There ya go. ;)

  11. austinmac May 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Much good luck and best wishes to Tom. We hope to hear from you soon.

  12. blake May 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Whats wrong with Tom?

  13. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    yes, Randy…I believe you understand SABR stats better than GB now…or at least understand their purpose :-) We do agree stats evolve, but look how long it has taken people to understand teh value of OBP and now OPS? Some people just keep their head in the sand and others embrace it. That being said not all change is good. WAR has falws because the defensive ratings have flaws. OPS+ is good but it isn’t as accessible and easy to understand has OPS which is why I like OPS (and I am not sold on OBP being more important because a HR is a really good thing that is guaranteed). A walk is not always as good as a hit and sometimes it is preferred by the defense…therefore I like OPS (even if the denominator of the two may be different)

    At the end of the day, I still Martin is elite at throwing. Wieters does have a great arm but his release is slightly slower in my view…not sure about the total time though, but if you are top 3 is that elite? I think it is?

  14. Villa Nova-Ya May 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Jerkface -

    I’m not sure I understood: did you come up with that exchange in the previous thread, or Joe Posnanski?

    Either way – very clever. Makes you think.

    Not all saber stuff is convoluted, and I like having the opportunity, when I feel like thinking (LOL), to delve into the more esoteric. I think as years progress, you will find more people comfortable with more of them, but the simpler ones like OBP, OPS, will likely catch on more than something like ERA+. The masses generally like to KISS. You do find more and more during broadcasts that OBP and OPS are used a lot and understood more and more. For game purposes, the simpler the better for quick comparisons, a quick shorthand to “this stat means he’s good.” (BA, RBI, ERA, W-L, tell a very simple story, but do let people know, for the most part, how a player is doing.)

  15. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    At the end of the day, I still Martin is elite at throwing. Wieters does have a great arm but his release is slightly slower in my view…not sure about the total time though, but if you are top 3 is that elite? I think it is?

    Whatever your views are on it, Wieters allows less attempts and catches more attempted stealers.

  16. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    I’m not sure I understood: did you come up with that exchange in the previous thread, or Joe Posnanski?

    Joe Pos did, unfortunately it is on his old blog so I had to grab it from the internet wayback machine, so no link.

  17. Villa Nova-Ya May 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    I don’t think it’s about people keeping their head in the sand – it’s a matter of exposure – like learning a language. The more OBP, OPS, etc. are used in the mainstream, the more people will understand what they mean and how they’re used.

    And again, the simpler, the better. The purpose should be a shorthand so that people can easily and quickly compare one player to another. And most people really don’t want to have to “look it up,” when watching a baseball game.

    As I said above, more and more, broadcasts are including OPS and OBP and explaining them during the course of events, so it becomes part of the vernacular of baseball. It’s an evolution, not a revolution. Most language is.

  18. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    I’ll be glad when we leave LA. The Angels have OWNED the Yankees for too many years now. We just find ways to lose to this team.

  19. Villa Nova-Ya May 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Jerkface -

    Thanks. It kind of reminded me of “Who’s on First” for the Sabr crowd. :)

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    “I’ll be glad when we leave LA. The Angels have OWNED the Yankees for too many years now. We just find ways to lose to this team.”

    We took two out of three at the Stadium. Or don’t those count.

  21. jacksquat May 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Don Vito A. Bellamo May 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    I’ll be glad when we leave LA. The Angels have OWNED the Yankees for too many years now. We just find ways to lose to this team.

    Including being an inferior team.

  22. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    comet May 30th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    SD would likely suit Moyer IF he is interested.

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    Evening Comet. SD/LA seem like the most logical choices for Moyer if he continues.

    Expecting mass promotions before Mid- June, though, not much to NY. After the draft and the XST crews, players like Brtan Mitchell, sanchez, Gumbs and Austin should be moved to Tampa from Charleston with players like Murphy, Segedin and possibly Flores to Trenton along with Montgomery. I’d expect to see guys like Cust, Branyon, pitchers like nelson Figeroa, O’Conner, and rmon Ortiz to opt out or be moved out. Maybe Steve Pearce could be added to a bigger deal to bring in something useful to NYYs.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    mick, FYI and FWIW – and I almost dread telling you this because I like it much better without you two playing off each other – The Big Out is West Coast Sux fan.

  24. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    We took two out of three at the Stadium. Or don’t those count.

    Their record on the west coast vs the angels is woeful. And going back to 2009 they are simply .500 against the Angels, which was actually an improvement over where they were BEFORE then!

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    GB – was it my imagination or did “TheBigOut’ tell us he was leaving the forum for good? In fact I’m sure he did. I guess he changed his miind.

    :roll:

  26. Villa Nova-Ya May 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    If the Yankees take 2 of 3 from the Angels in LA, with them being at their hottest right now, I think that’s fine. LA hasn’t been a great venue for our Yankees. Darn rally monkey!

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    “Their record on the west coast vs the angels is woeful.”

    With that I agree.

  28. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    What I don’t like is the SABR stats that are compiled by some “anonymous person’s eyes” that are supposed to be better, than what I can see, or people I know and respect can see with our own eyes.

    You are ridiculed for saying I saw it with my own eyes, Yet most (If not all) defensive stat are compiled by some geek watching the game with their “eyes” go figure.

    Hit and run post back in awhile.

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    “If the Yankees take 2 of 3 from the Angels in LA, with them being at their hottest right now, I think that’s fine. LA hasn’t been a great venue for our Yankees. Darn rally monkey!”

    Death to the Rally Monkey!

    But Villa, they can’t take two of three.

  30. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Betances is having another wild streak to begin his game. No outs in the 2nd with 29 pitches, 1 hit, 2 walks, 1 strikeout and a hit batter.

    I’m all for him pitching from the stretch or going to a no-wind-up. Either that or consider him for the pen.

  31. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    You are ridiculed for saying I saw it with my own eyes, Yet most (If not all) defensive stat are compiled by some geek watching the game with their “eyes” go figure.

    BIS video scouts are former players.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Tar, in addition, the geek compiling the stats uses whatever the umpires throw out there – right or wrong.

    We all have seen the results of blown calls behind the plate, when instead of 3 outs, there are two outs and a runner on first, because the batter walked when he actually Kd.

    And then ka-blam! So the 4th out of the inning ends up being a home run. And that may just be the difference in winning or losing. And it also shows up on the pitcher’s ERA.

    Stats, stats, stats. Or as someone pointed out earlier, make sure you add another CS to the Angels and adjust Martin’s put-out rate upward by 1. Because that’s what we saw with our eyes.

    THANKS BUD.

  33. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    And I don’t get not trusting people whose job it is to methodically watch every play and note the outcome, where as your brain isn’t doing anything like that when you watch a game.

  34. Villa Nova-Ya May 30th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Ooops!

    I meant salvage one out of 3. Brain dead already and it’s only Wednesday. SMH

  35. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Betances walks 2 more but, only run was on a groundout. He’s all over the place tonight. 47 pitches, with 24 strikes.

  36. blake May 30th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    At some point we have to consider that perhaps this is what Betances is.

  37. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    He has a few more option years to burn before they give up on him, but they may have to think about giving him a major league shot even with the control problems.

  38. raymagnetic May 30th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    “And I don’t get not trusting people whose job it is to methodically watch every play and note the outcome, where as your brain isn’t doing anything like that when you watch a game”

    How do you know what my brain is doing?

  39. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    “BIS video scouts are former players.”

    Not even sure what BIS is. Here’s a couple of questions. Who compiles the UZR stats for Yankee Stadium? What’s his name, is it one person or different every game? Where are they sitting or are they watching tape?

  40. blake May 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    “He has a few more option years to burn before they give up on him, but they may have to think about giving him a major league shot even with the control problems.”

    In the pen?

  41. Triple Short of a Cycle May 30th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    So the killer B’s are down to 1 now?

  42. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    How do you know what my brain is doing?

    I know that its not accurately collating data for the entire league regarding defensive efficiency.

  43. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    In the pen?

    As a starter. If he walks 4-5 per 9… its been done before by starters.

  44. jacksquat May 30th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    I don’t know why they’d give Betances a shot with his huge control problems. Walk rate pretty much always goes up in the majors at least initially, not down.

  45. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Not even sure what BIS is. Here’s a couple of questions. Who compiles the UZR stats for Yankee Stadium? What’s his name, is it one person or different every game? Where are they sitting or are they watching tape?

    BIS is the company that compiles the data that is used to create UZR. They have video scouts watch every game and chart a bunch of stuff. Including pitch location, defensive alignment pre-pitch, type of hit, speed of hit, where the ball lands, etc.

  46. blake May 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    “As a starter. If he walks 4-5 per 9… its been done before by starters.”

    Who in the rotation you gonna replace with a guy walking the world who cant get minor leaguers out? Or were talkin about next year?

    I think they should stay the course with him for now….but if he doesnt show some serious progress with his delivery pretty soon then I think they shpuld take a look at him in the pen and see if he can repeat his delivery better in shorter spurts

  47. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    I don’t know why they’d give Betances a shot with his huge control problems.

    Well they likely won’t have a choice. Banuelos I can see the Yankees waiting for him to get his control in order at AAA before bringing him up, but with Betances that moment may never come so eventually they’ll just have to try him out. There have been 29 qualified starters from 2005 to present that have a BB/9 over 4.

  48. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    And BIS is used by most of the teams in the majors for scouting/defensive data/other data.

  49. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Who in the rotation you gonna replace with a guy walking the world who cant get minor leaguers out? Or were talkin about next year?

    I’m not talking about calling him up right now, or even right away, but he is on the 40 man now so he only has 3 years to sit around in the minors figuring things out. The Yankees ought to call him up even if he isn’t figuring the walks out and try to see what they got.

  50. blake May 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    “There have been 29 qualified starters from 2005 to present that have a BB/9 over 4.”

    How many were any good?

  51. jacksquat May 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    There have been 29 qualified starters from 2005 to present that have a BB/9 over 4.

    But Betances’ bb/9 is 8.1 in AAA.

  52. RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Maybe the right coach just needs to get ahold of Betances.

  53. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    “BIS is the company that compiles the data that is used to create UZR. They have video scouts watch every game and chart a bunch of stuff. Including pitch location, defensive alignment pre-pitch, type of hit, speed of hit, where the ball lands, etc.”

    Thanks, I remember now. They need more transparency, kind of like how we know who the official scorer is. And how do you know it’s a “Video Scout” and not some RedSox loving intern filling in. And if some teams are paying and some not, how do we know they are being on the up and up and not trying to “compile skewred data” that is favorable to their client?

    I rember reading an article on why I should be skeptical (maybe by Tango) I’ll look for it in a bit.

  54. CompassRosy May 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    “I’ll be glad when we leave LA.”

    ~

    at least the Yanks only have to face the Halos three more times after today.
    M’s have 15 more games with them :(

    Oddly enough, they seem to be holding their own vs. Texas so far (4-5) and hoping to even up the season series tonight…

  55. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    And how do you know it’s a “Video Scout” and not some RedSox loving intern filling in.

    That wouldn’t be very good for business would it?

  56. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    But Betances’ bb/9 is 8.1 in AAA.

    Yea not saying to bring him up now, just saying he might not be able to put up a BB/9 under 4.5 in the minors.

  57. Pat M. May 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Tricia……I understand your beef with the shoddy umpiring and in reality officiating overall across the sports horizon seems to have deteriorated over the years and with super slow mo……However, I understand and I’m more tolerant than some and it deals with Richie Garcia……..Of course we all know the Derek Jeter homer vs. Baltimore in 96 which open the doors to the Yanks Dynasty by a huge mistake by Garcia……However the other under the radar gift by Garcia is in Game 1 of the 98 World Series…..Garcia has the plate, Padres have the lead, bases are juiced and Mark Langston throws a no doubter strike three to punch out Tino Martinez to close out the inning…….Garcia freezes up and Tino is stunned that he’s still up…..Next pitch is a a leak-er over the plate and Tino drills a Grand Slam and the Padres never recover……..Human error is always going to be part of baseball as much as it is a part of life………I got to know Jimmy Evans who was a very good umpire and he told me that Garcia just froze on the Tino / Langston pitch….He delayed in raising his arm and too much time went by……The rest is history

  58. Triple Short of a Cycle May 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Yet another team gets the number 1 pick in the NBA who weren’t the worst team. What a joke the NBA is and the NHL for that matter as well

  59. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    How many were any good?

    Not many! Jonathan Sanchez, Jhoulys Chacin, Rich Harden, Edinson Volquez, Gio Gonzalez, Carlos Zambrano, Ubaldo Jimenez, Jason Schmidt.

    Other notables: Your favorite comp Daniel Cabrera, Daisuke Matsuzaka, & Best Inning Ever Andrew Miller.

  60. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    I remember when Tino was up and looking at his post-season stats to date I thought….”Gee, he can pretty much double his numbers with one swing…”

    And he did. :smile:

  61. Triple Short of a Cycle May 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    I remember when Tino was up and looking at his post-season stats to date I thought….”Gee, he can pretty much double his numbers with one swing…”

    ————————————————————————

    He had a few big hits but he wasn’t really a good post season performer. I mean don’t get me wrong he makes Tex look like Babe Ruth

  62. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Montero 2 for 2 in the 2nd inning with a HR, 2 Runs, and 2 RBI. In the 2nd inning as in all in the 2nd inning. Mariners just put an 8 spot on the Rangers.

  63. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Just a medium 385′ homer to right center in Arlington, by Montero-Easy out in YS :)

  64. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Derek Holland on Montero’s oppo shot: “You f’n kidding me?” But that was probably due to the fact he just gave up 8 runs :twisted:

  65. CompassRosy May 30th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Jerkface says:
    May 30, 2012 at 8:41 pm
    Montero 2 for 2 in the 2nd inning with a HR, 2 Runs, and 2 RBI. In the 2nd inning as in all in the 2nd inning. Mariners just put an 8 spot on the Rangers.

    ~

    And I missed it all when I was stuck in the downtown transit tunnel :(

  66. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    “Montero 2 for 2 in the 2nd inning with a HR, 2 Runs, and 2 RBI.”

    Small sample size.

  67. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Adam Jones just hit on left hand-break?

  68. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Rosy-

    Hi. As of May 27th which starting pitcher on the Marlins was holding righties to a .175 BA, best on the team, with 2nd best overall BAA of .218?

  69. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Showalter retaliated by having hitter blast one off Blue Jays Morrows left knee-out of game.

  70. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    I expected Betances to throw 100 pitches. Never figured him to make it through 6 innings.
    6 innings, 4 hits, 2 runs, 4 walks, 4 strikeouts, 1 HB, 1 WP, no homers allowed. Settled down quite nicely after the 2nd inning. 2 hits, 1 walk, 0 runs. 100 pitches, 54 strikes, 9 ground outs, 2 fly outs.

  71. blake May 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    how did the Mariners score 8 runs off anybody?

  72. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Betances was hitting 95-96 all game with a good curve and better slider.

  73. blake May 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    see we motivated Dellin….well done gang.

  74. CompassRosy May 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    YT ~

    I assume you meant Mariners, not Marlins ;)
    And the answer is.. Hector Noesi

  75. LGY May 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    There’s a major difference between watching with your eyes and making evaluations as to a player’s ability and watching with your eyes in order to compile data.

    I mean, you could argue that before computer programs were created to do it automatically someone “watched” to compile batting average or RBIs or whatever.

    Of course, subjectivity comes into play when we are dealing with the line drive/fly ball distinction, but the BIS scouts are doing a vastly different thing than you are when watching a game.

    And if you truly are so skeptical of these guys you could theoretically do it yourself if motivated to do so. The defensive zones chart is readily available online.

  76. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    “how did the Mariners score 8 runs off anybody?”

    How did they score 10 with Montero going 0-5 yesterday? #mysteriesofbaseball

  77. CompassRosy May 30th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    blake says:
    May 30, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    how did the Mariners score 8 runs off anybody?
    ~

    Don’t know whats gotten into them Blake (they scored 10 last night) … guess they’re just happy to be on the road again…

    Btw – You’re fellow Tar Heels are starting to contribute nicely :)

  78. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Rosy-

    That’s right, which makes the trade doubly worse, although Noesi is right up there with Nova, Hughes and Kuroda with homers allowed.

  79. blake May 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    “Btw – You’re fellow Tar Heels are starting to contribute nicely :)”

    Ackley will hit for sure….

  80. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Matt Tracy finished after 6 innings, 4 hits, 1 run, 1 walk, 5 strikeouts. 3-1 Tampa on Segedin’s 2 run single.

  81. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “Montero 2 for 2 in the 2nd inning with a HR, 2 Runs, and 2 RBI.”
    Small sample size.”

    Larger sample size now 3 for 3. 4 RBI 14 nothing M ‘s.

  82. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Lefty Shaeffer Hall is throwing a 3 hit shutout with 2 walks and 5 strikeouts through 4 innings.

    Spoke too soon. Top 5th walk single and error has two on, nobody out.

  83. Tar May 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    “Of course, subjectivity comes into play when we are dealing with the line drive/fly ball distinction,”

    No kidding

    “but the BIS scouts are doing a vastly different thing than you are when watching a game.”

    Like what and who are these “scouts”

    “And if you truly are so skeptical of these guys you could theoretically do it yourself if motivated to do so. The defensive zones chart is readily available online.”

    Probably could find some sucker to buy it too, huh. I wii call myself a video scout.

    Seriously why all the secrecy who is doing this “scouting” and what is their background? Is that to much to ask

  84. I Am Winning May 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Does anyone know the MLB pitching stats of ERA per innings? Or a website that I can locate them?

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