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Yankees lose another one in Anaheim

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Albert Pujols and Mark Trumbo each homered for the Angels tonight, but the Yankees didn’t go deep, and when the Yankees don’t go deep, they don’t win. Tonight’s 5-1 loss in Anaheim was the Yankees second in a row, and they’ll need to win tomorrow night to avoid a three-game sweep against the surging Angels. The Yankees are 0-11 in games when they don’t hit a home run, and they scored their only run on Nick Swisher’s RBI single in the fourth. For the most part, Andy Pettitte delivered another solid start, but those two home runs did the bulk of the damage while the Yankees left 12 runners stranded, including the bases loaded twice, each time with Robinson Cano at the plate. Cano struck out both times.

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187 Responses to “Yankees lose another one in Anaheim”

  1. darbodla May 30th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    TD213 May 30th, 2012 at 12:44 am
    Cano has been one of our worst hitters this year. We would have been far better off if this were Ibanez, Grandy, Chavez, Jones or even Chris Stewart.

    Asylum gates are open.

  2. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Bases loaded full of Yankees is a pitcher’s dream. At what point do you give the credit to the pitchers and/or blame to the batters?

  3. I Am Winning May 30th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    When the Yankees don’t homer, they don’t win. Sounds like a coincidence.

    0-11. That doesn’t.

    Something just isn’t right.

  4. muwarriorsfan May 30th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Cano proves ONCE AGAIN that he’s the most overrated player (by a gigantic margin) in all of baseball.

    His carriage has turned into a rotten pumpkin.

    He’s literally now just a poor hitter with RISP.

  5. jacksquat May 30th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    No doubt that he has to keep the ball down. But every pitcher is bound to make mistakes, he has had very bad luck as well, the BABIP eventually will come down

    He’s still on the groundball side of gb/fb, but not at all like the previous two years. I think as he gets the ball down more (and gives up fewer home runs) his babip might drop as well.

  6. TheStraw May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Cano 1 for 10 with bases loaded this year. Last year hit over .300 in same situation. Hard to explain. Got to believe its psychological at this point.

  7. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Quite a few of the homers are off the changeup, which Nova is still integrating. That will improve.

  8. Eroc May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Worst thing the team ever did was trade Montero – the team is unwatchable without him and their offensive future is bleak.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    “Bases loaded full of Yankees is a pitchers dream”

    :)

    ****************

    And the same kinds of laments were heard from Angel fans when the Yanks schooled the Angels at the Stadium in April.

    Only the scores were a lot more lopsided when the Yanks schooled the Angels.

    It’s two games, not the end of the world.

    Turn zee page, and look forward to zee next game!

    :)

  10. Gcyanks May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    A team shouldn’t depend on homers to win ball games. I hope we get Gardner back soon because every single Yankees hitters are looking for a homer run. But my hopes are still up and I hope they change they’re approach at the plate or let keving long go.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:53 am

    “Bases loaded full of Yankees is a pitcher’s dream. At what point do you give the credit to the pitchers and/or blame to the batters?”

    You don’t give credit to the pitchers ever. You only give blame to the batters.

    That’s the Yankee way!

    :)

  12. jacksquat May 30th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    pcaldera Yanks are hitless in last 15 ABs with bases loaded

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    Gcyanks, if you’ve been watching, they’ve been playing a lot more small ball than ever and have a lot more situational hitting. If it didn’t happen tonight it didn’t. But it doesn’t negate what has been happening. It’s easy to forget everything in the haze of a loss.

  14. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    Hit #50 in May for Melky to top Willie Mays for the franchise record!

    He’s a man on a mission.

  15. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    Cano probably could use a day off.

  16. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    Just saw it live. Yay, Melkman!

  17. luis May 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    Luis, Nova has also been unhittable at times. He is still evolving and integrating the changeup has contributed to his HR numbers. I agree about his BABIP coming down.

    ==============================

    I guess i came late to the party :) ….This is spot on. It’s all about reps, the more he throws it the better it will get. I rather have the growing pains now rather than later…He is going to be especial.

  18. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 12:56 am

    Zee season is 1/3 over, and our 3-4 hitters are on pace for 63 and 66 rbis.

    This is different from the offensive rollercoaster of the past couple of years, when they were at least a team that could punish bad pitchers and get to October, where they then choked. Now they poop their pants as soon as they see men in scoring position even against Triple-A pitchers. They are a pathetic bunch who are going nowhere this year but to the basement.

    ARod’s big power surge lasted all of one game. Cano is a bubble-blowing buffoon.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:56 am

    “pcaldera Yanks are hitless in last 15 ABs with bases loaded”

    Maybe he can take us back through the last week and talk about all the different ways the Yankees scored. But – it’s not sexy to talk about that stuff. Better to dwell on whateverr negative you can.

  20. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    I really hate this feast or famine offense.

  21. luis May 30th, 2012 at 12:58 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 12:43 am
    Is it Don’t cha know time?

    ==========================

    I think HE didn’t know ! LOL

    ================================

    LMAO!! :D I guess he didn’t

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:58 am

    “They are a pathetic bunch who are going nowhere this year but to the basement.”

    :D

    I’ll tell you what I tell everyone who predicts doom and gloom when the team is a few games out of first.

    Talk to me at the end of the season.

    Kay?

    ;)

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:59 am

    Oh come on now. There were a lot of hits that were caught in the outfield only by spectacular defense.

    A few of those drop, it’s a different game.

    It happens.

  24. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    trisha: “they’ve been playing a lot more small ball than ever and have a lot more situational hitting. If it didn’t happen tonight it didn’t. But it doesn’t negate what has been happening.”

    Huh??? Whatever you’ve been smoking, I’ll have some. They won 5 games in a row against two really, really bad teams, largely due to a power surge by Teixeira and ARod’s one-game power surge. Until they can sustain it against a decent team, these guys remain a borderline basement-dweller that is absolutely embarrassing in anything resembling a clutch situation.

  25. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Albert Pujols and Mark Trumbo each homered for the Angels tonight, but the Yankees didn’t go deep, and when the Yankees don’t go deep, they don’t win.

    —–

    I wonder if Chad is expecting the Yankee players to apologize to him for this in the clubhouse after the game. Nah probably not.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:01 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am
    Just saw it live. Yay, Melkman!
    ///

    :D

    They sure don’t make fourth OFs like they used to.

  27. DaveD May 30th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    The offense is a legitimate concern moving forward. I think the days of A-Rod hitting 30 are gone. At this point, he’s probably not even going to hit 20.

    They need to think long and hard about what to do this winter. Get some of the strikeouts and low averages out of the lineup.

    This is why you don’t freakin trade our best top hitting prospect for a project pitcher – a dumb trade that is even going to look worse as the weeks and months unfold.

  28. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    It happens like every night against this team. No more excuses. ARod and Cano need to start producing big-time or else this team is done.

  29. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Who is the only player to win the Stolen Base Title in both leagues?

    Not too tough, I think.

  30. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    —–

    Silly you. You’re ruining her narrative with actually facts.

    UPWARD and ONWARD

    (I even used you’re right that time, bonus points for me) Yippee

  31. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    Gcyanks, if you’ve been watching, they’ve been playing a lot more small ball than ever and have a lot more situational hitting. If it didn’t happen tonight it didn’t. But it doesn’t negate what has been happening. It’s easy to forget everything in the haze of a loss.

    ==========================

    To be fair, the offense has been Jekyll and Hyde. They have left tons of men on base. True, they have no speed right now but they are not taking good at bats, especially with men on.

  32. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    ” and when the Yankees don’t go deep, they don’t win.”

    It’s a dumb way to construct a lineup.

  33. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:53 am
    “Bases loaded full of Yankees is a pitcher’s dream. At what point do you give the credit to the pitchers and/or blame to the batters?”

    You don’t give credit to the pitchers ever. You only give blame to the batters.

    That’s the Yankee way!
    ———————————————————-

    I think it goes to the point of how batters can make a pitcher look good or bad. It’s like when the pitcher throws 3 pitches down the middle and the batter doesn’t swing. Or if they throw 3 or 4 pitches a foot off the plate but that batter still swing. And it can’t always be what the pitch was before.

  34. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 12:59 am
    Oh come on now. There were a lot of hits that were caught in the outfield only by spectacular defense.

    A few of those drop, it’s a different game.

    It happens.

    ==========================================

    That HUGE little word : IF

  35. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:04 am

    Rickey Henderson?

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:05 am

    “Until they can sustain it against a decent team, these guys remain a borderline basement-dweller that is absolutely embarrassing in anything resembling a clutch situation.”

    Hmmmm. Definition of a “decent team”. Funny that when they were tearing the cover off the ball at the beginning of the season, and beating the “decent teams” I didn’t see you saying much of anything.

    The season is a roller-coaster ride for all teams. If you live by a snapshot in time, you will drive yourself nuts. I don’t know how some fans do it, but they do. It’s sheer craziness. And it’s the same thing every single season. Certain fans calling it a day well before the season is over because they can’t hang when things get a little tough. But they end up eating their words season after season after season when the Yankees continually make the playoffs.

    You can’t set your clock by the whole scenario.

    Strange.

  37. Duh Innings May 30th, 2012 at 1:05 am

    The 2012 Yanks are the ultimate fraud. They win two out of three over the Angels without facing Weaver and Haren then lose games Weaver and Haren are pitching, and spare me Weaver wasn’t a factor. They knew he was pitching and pressed then pressed more when they got the gift of him being taken out early. Besides that they drop two to the Angels right after sweeping perennial patsies.

    The bottom line with the 2012 Yanks is this:

    They have only two everyday players who can hit .300 or better: Jeter and Cano.

    Jeter is the only everyday player who can hit for average and get on base.

    Cano is the only everyday player who can hit for average and power.

    The Yanks don’t have an everyday player who can hit for average and power and get on base.

    Ibanez will not hit like it’s 2002 forever. Swisher is useless without good OBP which he is not producing at all. Martin is not worth the three or more years he will want at age 29 (the guy is not taking a year or two.) A-Rod is a hasbeen. Teixiera is on his way to being one. Gardner is a career ninth place hitter. Granderson is better than the five players aforementioned but will be too old to give a long-term contract to after next year (33 on 3/16/14) and no way he takes just a year or two either.

    I even have my doubts about Cano as a long-term Yankee because he has yet to have the 35-45 HR, 120-140 RBI season he is talented enough to have. When is it coming? I doubt it will this year. I have this sinking feeling he will want 7 to 10 years he is not worth and be gone after next year if he isn’t traded.

    I’m really at a loss about the team offense. This has to be the most inept Yankees offense with RISP I have ever seen, and I’ve seen the 1982, 1989-92 (bad) Yankees.

    How long can Jeter defy age?

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:05 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am
    Cano probably could use a day off.
    ////

    Since Nuney went down, he’s had what – one blow? Nix played second once, I think.
    ////

    Poor Swish had some great swings. Angels ain’t the 2009 Angels, that’s for sure. Then again, we ain’t the 2009 Yankees, either.

  39. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:06 am

    Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:02 am
    It happens like every night against this team. No more excuses. ARod and Cano need to start producing big-time or else this team is done.

    =========================

    You’re not Kellie P. R U ? LOL

  40. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:06 am

    It doesn’t matter anyways. The Yankees didn’t really lose tonight. It was the Umps Fault.

    Don’t worry everyone. At the end of the year we are going to have one loss removed from our record. #fantasyworld

  41. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:06 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:01 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am
    Just saw it live. Yay, Melkman!
    ///

    :D

    They sure don’t make fourth OFs like they used to.

    =============================

    I spilled my drink because of this :D

  42. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:06 am

    Rich, that is the risk they decided to take.

  43. Pat M. May 30th, 2012 at 1:07 am

    one thing that was clear. angel defense took away alot a hits and the yankee defense gives hits away. yankee infield is a step slower to the ball.

  44. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:07 am

    yf

    One of several. Most of the incredibly stupid.

  45. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:08 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:04 am
    Rickey Henderson?

    =========================

    Like my last one, think Detroit again. ( for one of the teams ) Good guess, of course.

  46. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Rich and YF and Pruf,

    Add me to the list.

  47. TheStraw May 30th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    Hey, this just in- the Angels have won eight in a row and they are playing at home and had arguably their best pitcher going tonight. Losing this game doesn’t bother me as much as the losses to Kansas City, Minnesota and Seattle.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    I spilled my drink because of this
    ///

    primo, he’s even surprising me, and I’ve always felt hitting .300 he could achieve. What he’s doing now is, he is becoming a star in the game.

  49. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    I mean, it’s an aging team in some key areas. So what they do when the need depth? Make it even older.

  50. REZ12 May 30th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    If nothing else, they need to change managers soon just to try and spark the team and salvage the season. They look like a dead team walking

  51. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    Actually losing in Anaheim bothers me more because this is one of the teams we will likely have to meet in the playoffs.

    And it really hurts this year to see how so many teams we play have added young core players.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:13 am

    Well drat drat drat! Can you guess which team is second in ERA in the AL?

    THE ANGELS!!!!!

    Shhh! Don’t tell anyone because it’s easier to dump on the Yanks offense.

    :)

    What an informed and loyal fan base. Makes me proud to be in such esteemed company.

    ***************

    :D

    THE YANKEES CANNOT SCORE AGAINST THE ANGELS. DON’T LET THE 8 RUNS FROM LAST NIGHT THROW YOU.

    And whatever you do, don’t give credit to Dan Haren. After all, we all know that good hitting stops good pitching cold.

    Right? Right?

    **********

    Yankees will be fine. They are expert at doing what many fans cannot. Putting the game in the rear view mirror and looking toward the next one.

  53. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:13 am

    Verlander sucks. He can’t beat a good hitting team. Send him to the bullpen. What good is throwing 100mph if you can’t put hitters away?

  54. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    I don’t like Girardi, but Cashman is the bigger problem, and I say that as someone who likes Cashman considerably more than Girardi.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Eroc May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 am
    Worst thing the team ever did was trade Montero – the team is unwatchable without him and their offensive future is bleak.
    ////

    Wouldn’t call them unwatchable, but it is the worst thing Cashman has ever done (which is saying something).

  56. TheStraw May 30th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    YF-

    Gotta get there first—that’s why we need to make hay against the teams we should beat.

  57. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Man San Fran is crazy with Melky fever. Those guys in the Milk Man costumes are hilarious.

  58. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Trisha: “Hmmmm. Definition of a “decent team”. Funny that when they were tearing the cover off the ball at the beginning of the season, and beating the “decent teams” I didn’t see you saying much of anything. The season is a roller-coaster ride for all teams. If you live by a snapshot in time, you will drive yourself nuts. I don’t know how some fans do it, but they do. It’s sheer craziness. And it’s the same thing every single season. Certain fans calling it a day well before the season is over because they can’t hang when things get a little tough. But they end up eating their words season after season after season when the Yankees continually make the playoffs.”

    Tearing the cover off the ball at the beginning of the season? You mean when they got swept by Tampa Bay to begin the season? They’ve scored 10 or more runs all of 4 times this YEAR. That’s “tearing the cover off the ball”? Even for a team that doesn’t have a $200 million lineup, that’s a bridge too far. Yes, the season is “only” one-third over, but this team has never struggled offensively this much. Just because they made the playoffs in the past doesn’t mean they are guaranteed anything. Ask the 1965 team. Even you has to be alarmed at this consistent and embarrassing failure to produce in the clutch.

  59. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:15 am

    Poor Swish had some great swings. Angels ain’t the 2009 Angels, that’s for sure. Then again, we ain’t the 2009 Yankees, either.

    ==========================

    He did….That Angels team is very, very good…Only weakness if any, their BP

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:13 am
    Verlander sucks. He can’t beat a good hitting team. Send him to the bullpen. What good is throwing 100mph if you can’t put hitters away?
    //

    Igotid, I begin to worry when Yankee Shill Michael Kay begins berating a Yankee player like he apparently is Hughes, calling for him to be put in the BP. Has to mean someone with power is leaning that way, because Kay is thoroughly political. Not good to hear.

  61. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    luis
    To be fair, the offense has been Jekyll and Hyde. They have left tons of men on base. True, they have no speed right now but they are not taking good at bats, especially with men on.
    ======

    Me tinks even Jekyl is HydeING !

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:17 am

    “Actually losing in Anaheim bothers me more because this is one of the teams we will likely have to meet in the playoffs.

    And it really hurts this year to see how so many teams we play have added young core players.”

    The Yankees beat them at the Stadium in April.

    The Yankees went 0-8 against the Sux in 2009. That was a team that was possibly a rival in the postseason.

    And you see how it ended.

    That’s why they play the games.

  63. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:17 am

    Straw, agree on that count, but I am always thinking ahead to how we match up. I am really not concerned about our pitching.

    Andy in postgame saying his cutter wasn’t sharp enough. Tried to get the pitch further in on Pujols. Hanging cutters…

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:17 am

    luis,

    Yep. Right now, they certainly are doing a convincing impression of being an AL power.

  65. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:18 am

    I’m sorry — it’s actually only three times they’ve “torn the cover off the ball’ for 10 runs this year.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:19 am

    “True, they have no speed right now but they are not taking good at bats, especially with men on.”

    Not really the case. In fact we’ve used the term “situational hitting” in the best possible way more over the last week than we probably have all season. You yourself have commented on it.

    It’s so easy to lose perspective over a few losses. That’s when you need to keep perspective the most, IMO.

  67. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:19 am

    “Has to mean someone with power is leaning that way, because Kay is thoroughly political. Not good to hear.”

    IDK, but if you’re right, my guess is that it’s not Cashman or Girardi. Levine or Troast?

  68. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:19 am

    Trish, in 2009, expected us to win. Laughed at the 0-8 start. We have more pressing issues this time around. Not based on this game but on overall quality ABs and general concerns.

  69. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:20 am

    Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:14 am
    Even you has to be alarmed at this consistent and embarrassing failure to produce in the clutch.

    ——–

    HAHA. Not a chance. The Yankees could lose 100 in a row and she would predict a win for game 101. And if they won she would tell everyone how she knew it would happen.

    It’s a tired act full of delusion.

  70. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:20 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:12 am
    Actually losing in Anaheim bothers me more because this is one of the teams we will likely have to meet in the playoffs.

    And it really hurts this year to see how so many teams we play have added young core players.

    ==================

    Sorry, but true !!!

  71. Yanks78 May 30th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Firing Girardi would imply this team is good enough and has too good of talent to underachieve. I wouldn’t even say they are underachieving. When you construct an aging lineup full of guys with diminished bat speed, holes in their swing, and streaky as hell – what do you expect? A feast or famine offense is going to perform exactly like this.
    Their starting pitching is average at best. Their bullpen now is depleted with guys like Cody Epply and Rapada pitching in close games nightly.

    Firing him does nothing to address the poor roster construction, the flawed ideology behind it, and the bleak future of the team moving forward.

    It’s not even about this year.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:10 am
    I mean, it’s an aging team in some key areas. So what they do when the need depth? Make it even older.
    ///

    Well, this is a problem. And old always looks much worse in October.

  73. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    luis
    To be fair, the offense has been Jekyll and Hyde. They have left tons of men on base. True, they have no speed right now but they are not taking good at bats, especially with men on.
    ======

    Me tinks even Jekyl is HydeING !

    ========================

    I almost p… on my pants on this one!! :D

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    “Even you has to be alarmed at this consistent and embarrassing failure to produce in the clutch.”

    Not at all. Because I know the rhythm of a season and I know how teams slump, and I know how losing a few key players can change the complexion of a season in the short run.

    I am alarmed by nothing because I’ve been at this rodeo before. I don’t waste my time worrying needlessly, and IMO that’s what people do every time the Yankees disappoint them.

    I find it kind of sad.

  75. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 1:22 am

    Yep, one for forty something, bases loaded is a real indictment.

    That’s just plain bad.

    The good news is that Granderson is going oppo a bit. Still overswinging but a little less rollover.

    As to the Angels – they’re an excellent team. Took away a lot of runs defensively the last two games and that’s just one facet of the team.

  76. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:23 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:16 am
    igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:13 am
    Verlander sucks. He can’t beat a good hitting team. Send him to the bullpen. What good is throwing 100mph if you can’t put hitters away?
    //

    Igotid, I begin to worry when Yankee Shill Michael Kay begins berating a Yankee player like he apparently is Hughes, calling for him to be put in the BP. Has to mean someone with power is leaning that way, because Kay is thoroughly political. Not good to hear.
    ——————————-

    Kay has always hated Hughes. Hardly says anything good about him. If Hughes is pitching great he hardly says a word. But if he has a bad start. Like everyone here he calls for the bullpen. I didn’t listen because I knew what he was going to say. And the anger in his voice when he speaks of Hughes. I remember for 2 years he was praising Burnett even when he was struggling and saying how he has a great fastball and curveball. It wasn’t until last year when he stopped defending Burnett.

  77. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:23 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:21 am
    “Even you has to be alarmed at this consistent and embarrassing failure to produce in the clutch.”

    Not at all. Because I know the rhythm of a season and I know how teams slump, and I know how losing a few key players can change the complexion of a season in the short run.

    I am alarmed by nothing because I’ve been at this rodeo before. I don’t waste my time worrying needlessly, and IMO that’s what people do every time the Yankees disappoint them.

    I find it kind of sad.

    ——–

    Told Ya Dill Pickler. Save your logic.

  78. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:21 am
    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:10 am
    I mean, it’s an aging team in some key areas. So what they do when the need depth? Make it even older.
    ///

    Well, this is a problem. And old always looks much worse in October.
    _______
    Yeah, this is one of my concerns. How we’ll look in October after a long season. We haven’t had a real off day, so we will be fresher once we have the two off days 31st and 4th. Losing Gardner and deleting Nunez’s bat and speed doesn’t help matters.

  79. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    luis I almost p… on my pants on this one!!

    ====================

    Put ?

  80. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:19 am

    “True, they have no speed right now but they are not taking good at bats, especially with men on.”

    Not really the case. In fact we’ve used the term “situational hitting” in the best possible way more over the last week than we probably have all season. You yourself have commented on it.

    It’s so easy to lose perspective over a few losses. That’s when you need to keep perspective the most, IMO.

    ==================================

    this is true as well…Swisher swung the bat very well, even Matin had a couple of good ones tonight…The problem in my view is with men on base, they forget everything and start swinging for the fences. They all have had good at bats at some point, the problem is the lack of consistent good at bats, especially with men on base.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:25 am

    “Laughed at the 0-8 start”

    You were one of the few. This place was funereal.

    I pay no attention whatsoever to crying and knee jerking, seriously. (Obviously not saying you fit that mold.) But a group of posters on this forum fall into that category continually. It’s not old. It’s ANCIENT.

    They end up with egg on their faces EVERY SINGLE SEASON. But it doesn’t stop them from going to the farm. Oh no!

  82. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:25 am

    Oh, BTW, luis, it was Ron LaFlore. Tigers- Expos

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:26 am

    “this is true as well…Swisher swung the bat very well, even Matin had a couple of good ones tonight…The problem in my view is with men on base, they forget everything and start swinging for the fences. They all have had good at bats at some point, the problem is the lack of consistent good at bats, especially with men on base.”

    luis, any idea when we’re getting Gardner back?

  84. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:26 am

    4 NYY,

    Pe…. on my pants…. ;)

  85. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:27 am

    Nope, Trisha…Last i heard ten more days at least, that was yesterday if i am not mistaken

  86. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:27 am

    Actually you haven’t been at this particular rodeo before, because no Yankee team since the bad, bad early 70s were this bad offensively for this long. 16 games of 49 played so far this year they have scored 2 or fewer runs. Considering ARod’s checkered history, there is certainly no guarantee he is rebounding, and he is a huge key for this team.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:28 am

    Dedicated to Unknown

    I was all right for a while, I could smile for a while
    But the Yanks lost last night, and I am filled with fright
    And tonight I am so low.
    Though you cheered them on, it’s just a con
    So I’ve been crying and I’m blue,
    You still believe, it makes me want to heave.
    So I am crying, crying, crying, crying, crying
    It’s hard to understand but your cheery land
    Can start me crying.

    I thought that I could boo and boo
    But you won’t cry, it’s true
    I hate you even more than I did before
    But trisha, what can I do
    For you won’t agree, so I’ll always be
    Crying and so blue, crying and so blue

    Yes, you’re their pawn, so from this moment on
    I’ll be crying, crying, crying, crying
    Yeah, crying, crying and so blue-oo-oo-oo-ooooo!

    Credit to Roy Orbison.

  88. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:28 am

    yankeefeminista

    Yeah, this is one of my concerns. How we’ll look in October after a long season. We haven’t had a real off day, so we will be fresher once we have the two off days 31st and 4th. Losing Gardner and deleting Nunez’s bat and speed doesn’t help matters.

    ——————————————

    Everyone, including us now and past, have injuries, We just don’t have the horses to replace them with.

  89. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:28 am

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:19 am
    “Has to mean someone with power is leaning that way, because Kay is thoroughly political. Not good to hear.”

    IDK, but if you’re right, my guess is that it’s not Cashman or Girardi. Levine or Troast?
    ————————————–

    Kay has always pushed for Hughes in the bullpen. That 2009 season was good for the Yankees but bad for Hughes. But I guess would do it again if it meant winning the World Series. Well do 2009 again. I’m sure he still wants to start.

  90. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:29 am

    4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:25 am

    Oh, BTW, luis, it was Ron LaFlore. Tigers- Expos

    ========================

    Jesus!! that must have been way before my time

  91. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 am

    I really wish everyone would stop trying to go Yard every time they come up with RISP. I mean the reason why their 1 for 30 something with the sacs packed is because of way to many hero swings.

    In some of those situations there is even less then 2 outs where a sac fly would work just fine. Instead its a K.

  92. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 am

    “They end up with egg on their faces EVERY SINGLE SEASON. But it doesn’t stop them from going to the farm.”

    Umm, hate to inject some actual facts into this debate, but it’s actually you who had egg on your face at the end of the season the last two years, when this offense completely choked in the postseason, after many of us had said over and over again that the offense was Jekyl-and-Hyde and not built for postseason success against good pitching.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 am

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:19 am
    “Has to mean someone with power is leaning that way, because Kay is thoroughly political. Not good to hear.”

    IDK, but if you’re right, my guess is that it’s not Cashman or Girardi. Levine or Troast?
    ////

    I know, it would run counter to what we’ve heard from Cashman and what they’ve actually done to this point, but Cashman was over ruled, or capitulated to, Eppler on Joba. Maybe there are actually baseball people within who’d like to see Hughes in the pen, and Kay has already sniffed out which way the wind is going to blow on it. He’s remarkably adept at banging the drum for the winning side on Yankee issues, before it goes public.

  94. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 am

    Trisha

    Credit to Roy Orbison.
    ==============================

    I credited him once already, do I have to again ? LOL Loved his songs !

  95. REZ12 May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 am

    Hughes has a 5.63 ERA with 10 quality starts out of 10, a poor track record as a SP. There also happens to be a huge hole in the middle relief.

    What is so outrageous about what Kay said? He is looking at it objectively, not as someone who has followed him for 6 years and roots for him to succeed personally like a lot of people here do. Kay, like most Yankees fans, is all about team success. He sees an ineffective starter who is coming off an awful game and is being fair about him.

    Projecting Hughes favorably is all about wishful thinking at this point. For someone like Kay or any other media member, or fan, who evaluates all players equally and has no emotional attachment, what SHOULD their perspective be?

  96. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:31 am

    4 NYY,

    What i meant was a joke…I was laughing so hard of your joke of Jekyl and hiding thing

  97. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 1:31 am

    The problem in my view is with men on base, they forget everything and start swinging for the fences. They all have had good at bats at some point, the problem is the lack of consistent good at bats, especially with men on base

    —————–
    Yes

  98. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:32 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:28 am

    ——

    Thanks I needed something to help put me asleep. That will do it. YAWN and BORING

    Oh yeah and your really bad at predicting the outcomes of Yankee games.

    Upward and Onward. Butterflies and Lollipops.

  99. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:32 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:26 am
    4 NYY,

    Pe…. on my pants….

    =====================

    I know, just trying to be phony, uh, I mean funny !

  100. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:32 am

    Yeah, Trish. There is that type, but I think you have to differentiate between the panic type who flip-flops and someone is generally positive and supportive but who also may see a pattern that concerns them. Doesn’t mean you have to agree, but there are reasons for the latter and you shouldn’t lump everyone together because that is doing a disservice to some who post with great thought behind their comments. I know you appreciate the difference.

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:33 am

    Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:27 am

    My preference is always to believe in the team and its ability to get the job done. And that isn’t blind faith, that’s deep-in-the-gut belief that they are good enough and professional enough to get it done. That’s why losses don’t throw me.

    I think you’d agree that anything is possible, so why don’t we plan to visit this at the end of the season? At that point I will either be telling you I had it wrong, or you will be telling me you had it wrong. We have nothing to lose by waiting it out. It will be a fun watch. I’ll even bet you some chocolate if you want to bet! What do you say?

  102. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:33 am

    JAP,

    I don’t want to think of Hughes to the pen…. :(

  103. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:34 am

    Dedicated to Trisha:

    They don’t know, what I know

    They never seen that part of you,
    They know the lies, I know the truth.
    They say stay, I say go

    They never seen our scars before,

    They think our love is beautiful.

    ‘Cos everything is beautiful when you’re lookin through

    Rose colored glasses.

    Everything seems amazin when you see the view in

    Rose colored glasses.

    Take ‘em off.

  104. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:35 am

    Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:34 am

    —–

    Now this is a jam I can rock out to.

  105. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:35 am

    “Projecting Hughes favorably is all about wishful thinking at this point. For someone like Kay or any other media member, or fan, who evaluates all players equally and has no emotional attachment, what SHOULD their perspective be?”

    The guy has had the best stretch of starting this May, until Sunday, that he has had in years, and he is finally healthy.

    Yet he has a bad outing and it’s off to the pen, according to Kay.

    This is in the context of Kay having said for years that Hughes is not that good.

    Kuroda is 37. Pettitte is almost 40. Nova has not been good this season. Pineda has an injury that kills most pitchers’ careers, or at least diminishes their stuff.

    In that context, sticking it out with Hughes, at least for the year, makes a lot of sense.

  106. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:36 am

    You’re on Trish.

    I wish I had your optimism, I truly do. But this team is looking different to me… and it’s not a good difference. But hey, more power to ya! :)

  107. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:36 am

    luis Jesus!! that must have been way before my time

    ======================

    He’s in Seattle, doncha know ?

  108. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:37 am

    4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:32 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:26 am
    4 NYY,

    Pe…. on my pants….

    =====================

    I know, just trying to be phony, uh, I mean funny !

    =============================

    You succeeded :D

  109. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:37 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 am
    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:19 am
    “Has to mean someone with power is leaning that way, because Kay is thoroughly political. Not good to hear.”

    IDK, but if you’re right, my guess is that it’s not Cashman or Girardi. Levine or Troast?
    ////

    I know, it would run counter to what we’ve heard from Cashman and what they’ve actually done to this point, but Cashman was over ruled, or capitulated to, Eppler on Joba. Maybe there are actually baseball people within who’d like to see Hughes in the pen, and Kay has already sniffed out which way the wind is going to blow on it. He’s remarkably adept at banging the drum for the winning side on Yankee issues, before it goes public.
    ——————————————

    Like I’ve said it’s nothing new from Kay. He’s always talked about sending Hughes to the pen. Even when he was pitching well. Whenever a reliever went down he waited for Hughes to have a bad start to start the bullpen talk. When Hughes had strings of good starts in a row he barely mentioned him. But then 1 bad start. it’s bullpen talk.

  110. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:39 am

    Kay deciding that Hughes should go to the pen is part and parcel of the general lack of understanding as to the value of Hughes as a SP vs. a RP. But why should Kay get that? Did he get what at loss it was putting Joba in the pen? To expect Kay to have any substantive baseball knowledge is asking a lot.

  111. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:39 am

    4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:36 am

    luis Jesus!! that must have been way before my time

    ======================

    He’s in Seattle, doncha know ?

    =========================

    Don’t get me started!!;)

  112. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:39 am

    I’m now sad ! Trish hasn’t even said Hi! tonight ! pout, pout, pout.

  113. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 1:39 am

    You know, you would think that Haren would eat Alex alive – long swing, guess hitter. Yet he went three for four – shortened and in control swings.

    For a veteran team they sure play some low percentage baseball. The Angels probably have the best defensive OF in baseball right now. You’d better hit it over the fence and even that is not a sure thing. Flyballs are contra indicated

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:40 am

    Kay has always hated Hughes. Hardly says anything good about him. If Hughes is pitching great he hardly says a word. But if he has a bad start. Like everyone here he calls for the bullpen. I didn’t listen because I knew what he was going to say. And the anger in his voice when he speaks of Hughes. I remember for 2 years he was praising Burnett even when he was struggling and saying how he has a great fastball and curveball. It wasn’t until last year when he stopped defending Burnett.
    ///

    Because he knew the writing was finally on the wall on Burnett, and before that, he knew the party line was to push Burnett to justify the contract. I still believe there’s an anti-Hughes contingent in the FO. Kay covers his butt on all Yankee matters, and won’t go out on a limb unless he has a powerful ally. Just the way he operates. Plus, he really knows next to nothing about the game. But you could be right – it could be that he is just stuck on stupid about Hughes, as Francesa has been about Joba.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:40 am

    “Yeah, Trish. There is that type, but I think you have to differentiate between the panic type who flip-flops and someone is generally positive and supportive but who also may see a pattern that concerns them. Doesn’t mean you have to agree, but there are reasons for the latter and you shouldn’t lump everyone together because that is doing a disservice to some who post with great thought behind their comments. I know you appreciate the difference.”

    Because things can change so quickly in a season I don’t put much stock in “patterns” at this point since posters were seeing “patterns” when the Yankees were slumping and didn’t know enough to call it a slump, something that is part of every season.

    There are many posters who post with great thought behind their comments who may still be far afield in their thinking. I’ve seen some of the most provocative and well-respected thinkers on this forum get it wrong. (past and present)

    Let’s agree to disagree on this one. I’m not buying anything at this point in the season other than there are buzzsaws that we’ll still hit.

  116. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:41 am

    Night gang, hopefully a better tomorrow !

  117. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:42 am

    Still 2.5 back in the East. The concerns are there but I need to see more bad play before I say that they can’t win the the division.

    This series has been pretty predictable and that includes a Yankee victory tomorrow night.

    That is why it was so important to sweep the A’s because winning only one game here in Anaheim was very predictable.

  118. 4 NYY May 30th, 2012 at 1:42 am

    Trish, I might not even pick you up at the airport now ! LOL

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:43 am

    “You’re on Trish.

    I wish I had your optimism, I truly do. But this team is looking different to me… and it’s not a good difference. But hey, more power to ya! ”

    See? We can make it fun while the season goes on! Never a reason for despair because the Yankees are really too good a team to fall apart. MO, of course!

    Tell me the terms you’re comfortable with. I say the Yanks end up winning the division and making the postseason. What say you?

  120. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:43 am

    Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 1:39 am

    You know, you would think that Haren would eat Alex alive – long swing, guess hitter. Yet he went three for four – shortened and in control swings.

    For a veteran team they sure play some low percentage baseball. The Angels probably have the best defensive OF in baseball right now. You’d better hit it over the fence and even that is not a sure thing. Flyballs are contra indicated

    =============================

    Yes, also don’t forget that Arod is probably our best situational hitter as a whole.

  121. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Good night 4 NYY, very good jokes tonight!!

  122. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:35 am
    “Projecting Hughes favorably is all about wishful thinking at this point. For someone like Kay or any other media member, or fan, who evaluates all players equally and has no emotional attachment, what SHOULD their perspective be?”

    The guy has had the best stretch of starting this May, until Sunday, that he has had in years, and he is finally healthy.

    Yet he has a bad outing and it’s off to the pen, according to Kay.

    This is in the context of Kay having said for years that Hughes is not that good.

    Kuroda is 37. Pettitte is almost 40. Nova has not been good this season. Pineda has an injury that kills most pitchers’ careers, or at least diminishes their stuff.

    In that context, sticking it out with Hughes, at least for the year, makes a lot of sense.
    ———————

    I wouldn’t say best stretch in years as I and maybe 2 others have mentioned he had string of good starts coming off the DL last year. 8 good out of 11. 7 of them quality. And in 3 of those starts could have gone an extra inning. His first 2 games back he had 89 and 88 pitches. And then the shortened game against the White Sox where he got his first complete game shutout. Maybe could have gone 8 that game.

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:45 am

    Hi 4 NYY!!!! I wasn’t ignoring you! Too busy defending the honor of the Yanks.

    :D

    How are ya? How is your weather out there?

  124. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:46 am

    Trish — sorry, I can’t bet against the Yankees, because it would put me in the position of having a rooting interest against them, and I’ve been a fan too long. But how about this? If they end up making the postseason, I will sing your praises to the entire board.

  125. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:47 am

    JAP and YF,

    I hope you are wrong on Kay and it’s just him doing his best Francesa impersonation. But you make too much sense.

    I agree with the both of you on him knowing about baseballas much as i know Chinese.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:48 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:33 am
    JAP,

    I don’t want to think of Hughes to the pen….
    ///

    bro, it’s one of the few captivating, future-oriented things to watch this season – Hughes and Nova progressing.

  127. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:48 am

    igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:35 am
    “Projecting Hughes favorably is all about wishful thinking at this point. For someone like Kay or any other media member, or fan, who evaluates all players equally and has no emotional attachment, what SHOULD their perspective be?”

    The guy has had the best stretch of starting this May, until Sunday, that he has had in years, and he is finally healthy.

    Yet he has a bad outing and it’s off to the pen, according to Kay.

    This is in the context of Kay having said for years that Hughes is not that good.

    Kuroda is 37. Pettitte is almost 40. Nova has not been good this season. Pineda has an injury that kills most pitchers’ careers, or at least diminishes their stuff.

    In that context, sticking it out with Hughes, at least for the year, makes a lot of sense.
    ———————

    I wouldn’t say best stretch in years as I and maybe 2 others have mentioned he had string of good starts coming off the DL last year. 8 good out of 11. 7 of them quality. And in 3 of those starts could have gone an extra inning. His first 2 games back he had 89 and 88 pitches. And then the shortened game against the White Sox where he got his first complete game shutout. Maybe could have gone 8 that game.

    =========================

    Good posts

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:50 am

    I agree with the both of you on him knowing about baseballas much as i know Chinese.
    ///

    LOL. Kay’s like Chicken Chow Mein – counterfeit Chinese food!

  129. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:50 am

    Trisha, I picked us to win the division and I stand by that pick, but I have concerns that are valid and readily known here.

  130. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:50 am

    “I wouldn’t say best stretch in years as I and maybe 2 others have mentioned he had string of good starts coming off the DL last year. 8 good out of 11. 7 of them quality. And in 3 of those starts could have gone an extra inning. His first 2 games back he had 89 and 88 pitches. And then the shortened game against the White Sox where he got his first complete game shutout. Maybe could have gone 8 that game.”

    The reason I say that is because his change and curve have been better at times than at any time since 2007, and his FB velo has been consistently good.

  131. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 1:50 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:40 am
    Kay has always hated Hughes. Hardly says anything good about him. If Hughes is pitching great he hardly says a word. But if he has a bad start. Like everyone here he calls for the bullpen. I didn’t listen because I knew what he was going to say. And the anger in his voice when he speaks of Hughes. I remember for 2 years he was praising Burnett even when he was struggling and saying how he has a great fastball and curveball. It wasn’t until last year when he stopped defending Burnett.
    ///

    Because he knew the writing was finally on the wall on Burnett, and before that, he knew the party line was to push Burnett to justify the contract. I still believe there’s an anti-Hughes contingent in the FO. Kay covers his butt on all Yankee matters, and won’t go out on a limb unless he has a powerful ally. Just the way he operates. Plus, he really knows next to nothing about the game. But you could be right – it could be that he is just stuck on stupid about Hughes, as Francesa has been about Joba.
    —————————————-

    My point is his bullpen talk is nothing new. It’s been happening since the second half 2010. Not taking into effect it was Hughes’ first full year in the ML coming off a bullpen shortened season. Last year he was pitching with a tired arm. He started with bullpen talk.

  132. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:51 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 1:48 am
    luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:33 am
    JAP,

    I don’t want to think of Hughes to the pen….
    ///

    bro, it’s one of the few captivating, future-oriented things to watch this season – Hughes and Nova progressing.
    ______
    QFT.

  133. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 1:51 am

    Yes, also don’t forget that Arod is probably our best situational hitter as a whole.

    —————–
    Well, he hasn’t covered himself in glory this year but he’s changed his approach to one, more controlled. Did a reality check on his abilities.

    I heartily approve.

    As to Robbie – you shake your head and go “What the hell was that?”

  134. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:51 am

    bro, it’s one of the few captivating, future-oriented things to watch this season – Hughes and Nova progressing.

    =============================

    Sad isn’t it? I was looking forward for more future on our team. At least, some people are finally realizing what we saw from the beginning. I read a comment…They look old.

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:53 am

    “Trish — sorry, I can’t bet against the Yankees, because it would put me in the position of having a rooting interest against them, and I’ve been a fan too long. But how about this? If they end up making the postseason, I will sing your praises to the entire board.”

    Nah!

    Let’s just keep looking at the season from our different perspectives and keep sharing why we think the way we do. We can make the season fun and interesting by doing that. I’ll always be looking from a real macro perspective and you can look at snapshots in time. Then we’ll share notes. What do you think? The important thing is that we’re rooting for the same thing!

  136. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:54 am

    Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 1:51 am

    Yes, also don’t forget that Arod is probably our best situational hitter as a whole.

    —————–
    Well, he hasn’t covered himself in glory this year but he’s changed his approach to one, more controlled. Did a reality check on his abilities.

    I heartily approve.

    As to Robbie – you shake your head and go “What the hell was that?”

    ==============================

    It is clear in my view that he is pressing…He badly needs a day off and someone to compliment him on that lineup.

  137. luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:56 am

    LOL. Kay’s like Chicken Chow Mein – counterfeit Chinese food!

    ====================

    :D at least we got a ten day vacation from him ;)

  138. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:57 am

    Luis, said the same earlier. Robi has played non-stop with 2 DH days all year. He and Grandy are not kept fresh because there is no one to really fill in for them. Probably a big factor.

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:59 am

    “Trisha, I picked us to win the division and I stand by that pick, but I have concerns that are valid and readily known here.”

    YF – valid is perceptual. That’s my point. And in a season 162 games long, something that appears valid at one point can look totally meaningless at another. That’s why I agree with tomingeorgia whenever he counsels waiting to see how things unfold.

    No point in going back and forth on this. We know how the other feels. I respect that you have concerns that you consider valid. I’m sure you respect that I my not share the same concerns and I consider my position equally valid.

    ************

    Now if you want real troubles, someone on Who Wants to be a Millionaire just guessed wrong on a $250,000 question.

  140. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 1:59 am

    “Let’s just keep looking at the season from our different perspectives and keep sharing why we think the way we do. We can make the season fun and interesting by doing that. I’ll always be looking from a real macro perspective and you can look at snapshots in time. Then we’ll share notes. What do you think? The important thing is that we’re rooting for the same thing!”

    Yeah, I think that gets lost way too often around here, we are all rooting for the same team. The season is long, but it’s not forever. I keep looking for signs of magic. They’re not there yet, but there is still time…

  141. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:00 am

    “The important thing is that we’re rooting for the same thing!”

    Well, this is the point. Remember you are in Yankee territory here, and not Red Sox country. :)

  142. igotid88 May 30th, 2012 at 2:00 am

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:50 am
    “I wouldn’t say best stretch in years as I and maybe 2 others have mentioned he had string of good starts coming off the DL last year. 8 good out of 11. 7 of them quality. And in 3 of those starts could have gone an extra inning. His first 2 games back he had 89 and 88 pitches. And then the shortened game against the White Sox where he got his first complete game shutout. Maybe could have gone 8 that game.”

    The reason I say that is because his change and curve have been better at times than at any time since 2007, and his FB velo has been consistently good.
    ——————————————–

    I’ll give you that. Which is why I haven’t given up on him when he still pitched good with only 1 maybe 2 pitches working. I also would like to see a couple of years of full seasons. Of him bettering those secondary pitches. I think the problem is when he has a bad start. It’s really bad. That’s why even with 8 out of 11 good starts his era was still high. It takes about 3 great starts to get rid of 1 bad. Why can’t people look at the month and say” he’s pitched way better than last month”?

  143. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:00 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 1:57 am

    Luis, said the same earlier. Robi has played non-stop with 2 DH days all year. He and Grandy are not kept fresh because there is no one to really fill in for them. Probably a big factor.

    =====================================

    Yup, i saw it YF…..The problem is with Gardner injured and Nunez in triple A. The offensive drop off is too big. Rich, said it very well…poor roster construction.

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:01 am

    Yeah, this is one of my concerns. How we’ll look in October after a long season. We haven’t had a real off day, so we will be fresher once we have the two off days 31st and 4th. Losing Gardner and deleting Nunez’s bat and speed doesn’t help matters.
    ///

    Seems every day I hear Gardner is in Tampa taking dry swings. Is he ever coming back?? Assuming he’s actually over his problem when he returns, he can give us a lift. Nunez I wish they’d bring back.

  145. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:02 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:00 am

    “The important thing is that we’re rooting for the same thing!”

    Well, this is the point. Remember you are in Yankee territory here, and not Red Sox country. :)

    =========================

    Amen

  146. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:03 am

    Trish, valid to me. I didn’t ask you to validate my perception. But by all means disagree, as I do with you.

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:04 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:56 am
    LOL. Kay’s like Chicken Chow Mein – counterfeit Chinese food!

    ====================

    at least we got a ten day vacation from him
    ///

    Amen!

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:05 am

    “Well, this is the point. Remember you are in Yankee territory here, and not Red Sox country. :)

    Well to hear the whimpering, sometimes you wouldn’t know it!

    :D

  149. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:06 am

    I just ignore the whimpering, but that’s me. Also depends what you call “whimpering” (a derisive term if there ever was one). ;)

  150. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 2:06 am

    “Nunez I wish they’d bring back.”

    I agree with this. Nunez is a spark offensively, whatever his defensive deficiencies. The problem is the team has completely mismanaged him. First they decide to turn him into a utility guy. Then they decide that was wrong, and he has to play shortstop every day. If that’s the case, you aren’t going to see him unless Jeter gets hurt, which no one wants to see. I think they made a big mistake sending him down to play just ss, unless they are going to deal him for something big.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:07 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 1:51 am
    bro, it’s one of the few captivating, future-oriented things to watch this season – Hughes and Nova progressing.

    =============================

    Sad isn’t it? I was looking forward for more future on our team. At least, some people are finally realizing what we saw from the beginning. I read a comment…They look old.
    ///

    Tell you what – if they deal Sanchez for “pitching”, I’m going on a baseball hiatus.

  152. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:08 am

    “Seems every day I hear Gardner is in Tampa taking dry swings. Is he ever coming back?? Assuming he’s actually over his problem when he returns, he can give us a lift. Nunez I wish they’d bring back.”

    They have to be careful not to bring him back too soon. He needs to be 100%. I’d love to see Nunez back as well, but don’t know that they will bring him back if he can’t be a SUI.

  153. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:09 am

    Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 2:06 am

    “Nunez I wish they’d bring back.”

    I agree with this. Nunez is a spark offensively, whatever his defensive deficiencies. The problem is the team has completely mismanaged him. First they decide to turn him into a utility guy. Then they decide that was wrong, and he has to play shortstop every day. If that’s the case, you aren’t going to see him unless Jeter gets hurt, which no one wants to see. I think they made a big mistake sending him down to play just ss, unless they are going to deal him for something big.

    ==================================

    The problem Dill is that by playing like a utility player they were setting him to fail. that position is usually reserved for a vet not a rookie. He should have stayed in triple A last season, so he could be that utility guy down the road. they basically lost one season on him.

  154. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:09 am

    “But by all means disagree, as I do with you.”

    I will. And will continue to! By all means necessary. If I have to blow up the forum with sunshine, or shoot continual rays from the positivity gun. Or if I have to continue to just see things differently, I will do it with vigor, and alacrity, and, well you get the point.

    Nobody corners the market on truth. But we all have our opinions.

    :D

  155. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:11 am

    luis, well it was kind of naive to think that without milb reps Nunez could instantly be a SUI.

  156. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:11 am

    Tell you what – if they deal Sanchez for “pitching”, I’m going on a baseball hiatus.

    ===============================

    They won’t ….. By then, there is probably a new management.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:11 am

    “I just ignore the whimpering, but that’s me. Also depends what you call “whimpering” (a derisive term if there ever was one). ;)

    :lol:

    I was being kind!

    Night all. Hasta whatever, since it’s already manana!

  158. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 2:13 am

    Nobody corners the market on truth. But we all have our opinions.

    ——————————–
    What? I thought I had truth covered. Now I find out.

    Truth is like silver and the Hunt brothers.

  159. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:13 am

    I agree with this. Nunez is a spark offensively, whatever his defensive deficiencies. The problem is the team has completely mismanaged him. First they decide to turn him into a utility guy. Then they decide that was wrong, and he has to play shortstop every day. If that’s the case, you aren’t going to see him unless Jeter gets hurt, which no one wants to see. I think they made a big mistake sending him down to play just ss, unless they are going to deal him for something big.
    ///

    Their problem seems to be a lack of planning ahead. Right, if they wanted him to play LF, they should have thrown him out there in ST. Even tonight – it’s a good move to bring Andruw in there against the lefty, but Andruw doesn’t play nearly enough to actually stay sharp. Yeah, he hit a homer the other night, but he needs to see some type of regular action.

    Yeah, I haven’t heard that Nunez is taking any reps at 3B in Scranton, so I guess they’ve decided he’s a disaster (at a position he’s rarely played) and have now scrapped that?

  160. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 2:14 am

    “The problem Dill is that by playing like a utility player they were setting him to fail. that position is usually reserved for a vet not a rookie. He should have stayed in triple A last season, so he could be that utility guy down the road. they basically lost one season on him.”

    Yeah, I get that it’s not an easy decision with him. He’s a shortstop, possibly a 2nd baseman, and either position he’s blocked. But he brings something to the team offensively that they are lacking. I think they stretched him too far when they put him in the outfield. I still think you can keep him as an infield utility guy, especially with how much they rest Jeter and Arod. Nix doesn’t do much for me, and neither does Chavez.

  161. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:15 am

    “Truth” I like to refer to it as. ;) Have a good night, Trish.

  162. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:15 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:11 am

    luis, well it was kind of naive to think that without milb reps Nunez could instantly be a SUI.

    ============================

    To be honest, i thought he could do it. His bat warranted more playing time. But he never got it, and every day on a different position. I think we miss someone like Bowa on the team, someone that could teach the nuances of the positions on a daily basis. But i guess that’s water under the bridge.

  163. Tyler May 30th, 2012 at 2:15 am

    If Cashman can’t improve this lineup somehow through trade, I think it’s going to be a long summer of back and forth baseball. This lineup just is not consistent… it’s ridiculous that they can’t win when they don’t homer… what a terribly constructed lineup.

  164. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 2:15 am

    ‘night Trish.

  165. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:17 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:11 am
    Tell you what – if they deal Sanchez for “pitching”, I’m going on a baseball hiatus.

    ===============================

    They won’t ….. By then, there is probably a new management.
    _____
    Sanchez has a good arm; rather than trade him for pitching, they could always convert him into a pitcher. ;)

  166. Pat M. May 30th, 2012 at 2:17 am

    Yankeefeminista…….I too think the Yanks will win the AL East, however watching them live and how everyone reacts within the game was a concerning revelation……Albert Pujols hit a ball tonight and last night to third-base that really should have been converted into an out……Derek still makes all the routine plays and comes in and turns the charging grounders into outs as good as anyone in the game…….However he seems to have lost a half step up the middle……The Angel infielders smother balls and prevent runs and that’s what in the end cost the Yanks Game 1………Without Gardner the outfield is average at best…….Angels are what the Yanks used to be, multidimensional offensively, with a drum tight defense……Forget the April Angels, this is who they really are a very efficient machine…….Yanks are a high powered and very complex machine requiring much maintenance

  167. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:18 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:08 am
    “Seems every day I hear Gardner is in Tampa taking dry swings. Is he ever coming back?? Assuming he’s actually over his problem when he returns, he can give us a lift. Nunez I wish they’d bring back.”

    They have to be careful not to bring him back too soon. He needs to be 100%. I’d love to see Nunez back as well, but don’t know that they will bring him back if he can’t be a SUI.
    ///

    I think Nunez is on the DL, isn’t he? BTW, Dealin’ goes tomorrow, I think.

  168. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:19 am

    yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:17 am

    luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:11 am
    Tell you what – if they deal Sanchez for “pitching”, I’m going on a baseball hiatus.

    ===============================

    They won’t ….. By then, there is probably a new management.
    _____
    Sanchez has a good arm; rather than trade him for pitching, they could always convert him into a pitcher. ;)

    ==============================

    :D

  169. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 2:20 am

    They said when they sent Nunez down that he’s a starting shortstop, and they want him to concentrate on that position and play every day, with a little bit of 2B thrown in. No more 3B. To me, bring him up and let him back up second and short if you don’t want him playing third. Send Nix down. You can even DH Nunez from time to time. But they need that spark.

    Tyler — the problem with wishing for a trade to improve the offense is, trade for what position? The way this team is constructed, you can’t really take any of the starters out of the lineup (except maybe Martin, but what catcher can they bring in who would help offensively? And switching catchers in midstream is always tricky). They have to dance with these guys. ARod and Cano are going to have to start doing some consistent damage, or they have no chance, in my opinion.

  170. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:21 am

    Trisha, Good night…I am turning in too…Have a great one JAP, Trish, Dill et al

  171. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:21 am

    Tyler May 30th, 2012 at 2:15 am
    If Cashman can’t improve this lineup somehow through trade, I think it’s going to be a long summer of back and forth baseball. This lineup just is not consistent… it’s ridiculous that they can’t win when they don’t homer… what a terribly constructed lineup.
    ///

    This is why some of us saw January 13th as a miserable failure. A guy like Montero is not a HR hitter, he’s a pure hitter who can hit HRs, different from, yet similar to, Robinson Cano, in that respect.

  172. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:21 am

    JF GN to you too!!!

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:22 am

    primo, great night to you, my friend. :D

  174. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:24 am

    Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 2:20 am

    They said when they sent Nunez down that he’s a starting shortstop, and they want him to concentrate on that position and play every day, with a little bit of 2B thrown in. No more 3B. To me, bring him up and let him back up second and short if you don’t want him playing third. Send Nix down. You can even DH Nunez from time to time. But they need that spark.

    Tyler — the problem with wishing for a trade to improve the offense is, trade for what position? The way this team is constructed, you can’t really take any of the starters out of the lineup (except maybe Martin, but what catcher can they bring in who would help offensively? And switching catchers in midstream is always tricky). They have to dance with these guys. ARod and Cano are going to have to start doing some consistent damage, or they have no chance, in my opinion.

    =============================

    Before i go,

    With the constraints that the new CBA bring…You can no longer trade prospects for MLB players…You need to trade present (MLB players) for future…This team is aging and fast, we need to get younger…If that means one or two seasons of not so great teams, so be it.

  175. Dill Pickler May 30th, 2012 at 2:25 am

    ‘night Luis.

    Time to walk the dog.

  176. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:25 am

    _____
    Sanchez has a good arm; rather than trade him for pitching, they could always convert him into a pitcher.
    ///

    Maybe he can even catch himself ;)

  177. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:26 am

    Trading our farm for a quick fix would be short sighted and would mean an even longer downward period. No thanks to that.

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:28 am

    luis, they need to suck it up and not wreck the future. If they go that route, we’ll really be in for a Dark Ages… they can trade non elites only.

  179. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:28 am

    JAP,

    Yes, Nunez is on the DL with a thumb injury. Good night all.

  180. luis May 30th, 2012 at 2:33 am

    Yankeefem,

    I am sorry, every time i mean to say good night to you i write it wrong, please accept my excuses…. Good night my friend.

  181. Nick in SF May 30th, 2012 at 2:34 am

    Every time you say goodbye, I die a little.

  182. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:36 am

    Pat M. I agree that we have deficiencies, which I have been concerned about going back to 2010. We are aging and while we have attempted to become more athletic in the outfield, the left side of the infield doesn’t have great range. Probably one of the reasons we tried to make Nunez a SUI. Also, our offense can be very much feast or famine, lacking in situational hitting, and very station to station without Gardner and Nunez. I have attended a lot of games in NY, and seeing the team play day in and day out, you really notice some of the deficiencies in their AB’s and in the field as well as how they compare to other teams. We still are a very good team, but I had a similar impression that you may now be having, when I saw us play Texas in the 2010 ALCS–in that series Texas looked like a fresh team of in prime players and we played like an aging team. We still are formidable, but definitely agree that we are more one-dimensional. Interesting to see what moves we make going forward with the impending soft cap and most of our position players from the minors about three years away.

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:36 am

    The good news is, the two teams ahead of us are in losing streaks of their own, so we remain within striking distance of the division lead, still 2.5 back. …

    The Vato must play role of stopper tomorrow.

    Goodnight, all.

  184. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:38 am

    Buenos Noches, Luis! I am out too. Nova to the rescue manana. (actually, hoy).

  185. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:40 am

    Pruf, yep. We are still right there, and I expect us to be in spite of our concerns. Also play Rays at Stadium next week, and should begin series with Andy on the 5th. Out of here, goodnight, Yankee people.

  186. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 2:43 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Yq6Y7rwc0

  187. J. Alfred Prufrock May 30th, 2012 at 2:44 am

    yankeefem, they look like more of a regular-season team, that’s why winning the division, while not guaranteed as if was in 2009, it isn’t out of the question.

    GN :D

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