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Yankees struggling with bases loaded

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last night, Robinson Cano struck out with the bases loaded. Twice. But he’s hardly the only Yankees hitter who’s struggling when the bases are full this season. There are strictly numbers with the bases loaded…

Robinson Cano
1-for-10 (.100/.182/.400)
One grand slam, six RBI, four strikeouts

Alex Rodriguez
1-for-9 (.111/.111/.111)
No extra-base hits, one RBI, two strikeouts

Curtis Granderson
1-for-7 (.143/.250/.143)
No extra-base hits, four RBI, two strikeouts

Derek Jeter
1-for-7 (.143/.250/.143)
No extra-base hits, three RBI, one strikeout

Raul Ibanez
0-for-6 (.000/.000/.000)
Two RBI, one strikeout

Nick Swisher
2-for-4 (.500/.400/1.500)
One grand slam, one double, eight RBI, no strikeouts

Eric Chavez
0-for-3 (.000/.000/.000)
One RBI, one strikeout

Russell Martin
0-for-3 (.000/.250/.000)
One RBI, one walk

Mark Teixeira
1-for-3 (.333/.500/.667)
One double, three RBI, two strikeouts, one walk

Chris Stewart
1-for-1 (1.000/1.000/1.000)
Two RBI

Andruw Jones
0-for-0
Two RBI, one walk

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445 Responses to “Yankees struggling with bases loaded”

  1. sunny615 May 30th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    More like 0-for-RISP

  2. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “I’m just making the point that even in your hypothetical, the Yankees are going to outspend almost every team in baseball, surely no team will outspend them.

    True…..but the gap is going to close…..if teams like Boston and Philly can go to 189 without being taxed then maybe they will…..so either the Yanks have to get smarter and more efficient so compensate or their advantage will be gone.

  3. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    I do Not live in NY. Never have. I’m not sure Jeet was Ever a Boy Scout either. I know what I see. Jeet and defense in general, are Not costing the Yanks games. Did it help the Angels last night, sure. But we aint the Angels. The Yankee BA with runners in scoring position is FAR more relevant vs defense when looking for cause and effect \ losses.
    *******

    All I can say is if the Angels defense helped them win last night than any deficiency we have in that area will cost us at times. Is the hitting with RISP MORE of an issue…of course, but if you don’t think a missed play or a bad managerial decision or a combo of events make any difference than I will hold my comments further.

  4. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “I dont even think you have to speculate on that…..”

    So, which group would be preferable in 2013:

    Jeter, Soriano and Pineda, or

    Hamels, Montero and (somebody like) Aybar?

  5. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Cano and Grandy have slipped through the cracks re: Girardi’s “resting players” program. They are scuffling and I expect both will be fresher after the two off days. Not that they both haven’t had some ugly ABs.

  6. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    The angels defense Monday should have cost them the game as well….Aybar kicked a double play ball in the first that led to runs and they played sloppy the whole game…….when Gardner is playing the Yanks defense rarely costs them games….they are solid everywhere……

    most games they lose are either lost because of the starting pitcher….or because their aging lineup falls asleep for 9 innings.

  7. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    It’s not about absolute spending, it’s about the directionality. The Yankees’ payroll appears to be heading down, while other teams are heading up.

    In this context, given their pre-existing commitments, they will be at a financial disadvantage over the next few years, unless the talk about the $189m threshold is false, or they AJ some more big contracts.

  8. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    BruceB; thank you for your kind note. I started “blogging” to a few of my friends many years ago and then they told two friends and so forth and then someone built the site for me to do it on and it just happened. I try to post when I can and lately it has been about 2/3 of the games. It is fun to look at some old posts

  9. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    The bases loaded thing is Sexier for the media to harp on. The Real game-in-game-out culprit is the abysmal RISP.

  10. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “Cano and Grandy have slipped through the cracks re: Girardi’s “resting players” program”

    Maybe all the rest is a reason why A-Rod has no power?

  11. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “Hamels, Montero and (somebody like) Aybar?”

    This one…..but I think thats besides the point really. Jeter is a special case…..and was the best SS option available when they signed him and the new CBA hadnt been invented yet then either.

  12. RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    “I’m just making the point that even in your hypothetical, the Yankees are going to outspend almost every team in baseball, surely no team will outspend them.

    True…..but the gap is going to close…..if teams like Boston and Philly can go to 189 without being taxed then maybe they will…..so either the Yanks have to get smarter and more efficient so compensate or their advantage will be gone.
    ———————-

    I agree, they need to get way more efficient with their spending and their development. That’s why I’m particularly hesitant about signing a Cole Hamels — is it right for this team to commit to another big contract? Then we’ll have two pitchers aging around the same time, for years to come.

    I think they’ve got to wait on it. And in that way, I think having a young (and healthy) Pineda would have been a big plus. Of course, it hasn’t worked out so far.

  13. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    GM,
    I like your blog as well….I agree with a lot…..disagree with a little…..but hey the debate is what makes the game great right..

  14. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Girardi needs to learn how to rest guys also. When they are rested they should be off limits with NO stretching or getting ready to play only to sit the bench. This DH situation instead of playing the field is NOT a rest for a player, it doesn’t rest you at all. As a catcher it used to work because playing behind the dish is A LOT different than playing in the field. If they want to give a player a blow, they should give him the FULL day off with no ability to play…that is rest. Getting ready to play at a high level only to sit the bench is not a rest

  15. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    The defense thing is Way overblown. Couple of highlight reel catches, and the avg. fan is all abuzz about defense. Your team consistently makes the routine plays and your all right. You put up RISP numbers like the Yanks have, and your DOA.

  16. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Blake, I have no issue with you disagreeing…and you always do respectfully and I appreciate that. Debate is always fun, especially when it is done with the pursuit of the truth and not who is right. This is the only way to truly learn.

  17. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Ok, so if you put up average RISP numbers are you OK as well?

  18. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Girardi has overdone the rest thing. NO continuity, NO TEAM. Watching the Yankees is like watching Johnny Carson way-back-when. “Whose the guest host tonight, Martha”?

  19. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Jeter is having to play too much also…..they can rest Alex (probably are too much) because of Chavez…..wish Nunez could catch the ball and be thr utility guy they thought he could be.

  20. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    The chances of Pineda ever being what he was are slim. His stuff will likely be diminished, and he is too young to have the pitching skills to easily compensate.

  21. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    blake-

    I was just dealing in hypotheticals, which is all the compairon of Jeter and Aybar ever was since Aybar isn’t and wasn’t available.

    However, you can’t rest all the budget constraint blame at the door of the new CBA, since the Yanks have evidently operated under budget constraints for 6 years. The new CBA just sharpens those constraints.

    I do think the Jeter and Soriano signings (Jeter probably necessary, Soriano not, IMO) made the trading of Montero inevitable (at least in the view of the Yank FO). Two sides of the same coin.

  22. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    “I have no issue with you disagreeing…and you always do respectfully and I appreciate that. Debate is always fun, especially when it is done with the pursuit of the truth and not who is right. This is the only way to truly learn.”

    +1

  23. RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    The chances of Pineda ever being what he was are slim. His stuff will likely be diminished, and he is too young to have the pitching skills to easily compensate.
    ——————-

    What are you talking about? Did you hear what Curt Schilling said?

  24. RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    ;)

  25. bruceb May 30th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    These stats would be embarrassing enough for the Padres or Pirates. For the New York Yankees, they are absolutely disgusting. If I was Girardi, I would be taping them to the players’ lockers to try to shame them into more patient, thoughtful at bats when the situation arises again.

  26. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    “What are you talking about? Did you hear what Curt Schilling said?”

    He’s one guy who was a veteran pitcher. Every study I have read is contra.

    So what are you talking about?

  27. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    “However, you can’t rest all the budget constraint blame at the door of the new CBA, since the Yanks have evidently operated under budget constraints for 6 years. The new CBA just sharpens those constraints.”

    Oh I agree and as Ive said before I would bet secretly Hal loves the new CBA….it gives him the ability to drop payroll and blame on Bud Selig and the players union.

  28. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    - Genius Maker -
    Your after the Superman, “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”. I just wanna win, and the politcally correct verbiage just don’t cut it. Say what you see and feel, then maybe have your tea-and-crumpets.

  29. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Hal may love the CBA, but if revenue falls, as it could, the love may be fleeeing.

  30. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Guys have come back near 100% after Pineda’s injury….so its not impossible ……its just the unpredictablity of the specific injury thats the issue……we just dont know and probably wont for awhile.

  31. RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Sorry, I was under the impression everything Curt Schilling says is credible.

  32. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    I missed the sarcasm, my bad…

  33. bruceb May 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    What are the stats for A-Rod re home runs. Two in the last how many at bats? And they were back-to-back if my memory serves me right?

  34. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    NO WAY, Hal shoulda voted in favor of that CBA. George woulda tore it up, thrown it on the floor, and cast a NO vote.

  35. Wave Your Hat May 30th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “Hal may love the CBA, but if revenue falls, as it could, the love may be fleeeing.”

    As long as the Yanks can sell the premium seats and commercial time on YES the Yanks will be OK. And the Yanks would have to get pretty bad before those suffered, IMO.

    The grandstands and upper deck could be empty and it wouldn’t make a huge difference to the bottom line.

  36. Bret The Hitman May 30th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    It’s possible that by the time Montero is good, he won’t be cheap anymore so maybe the Yankees factored that into their evaluation. He could follow the Melky Cabrera curve and turn out to be immensely talented when it comes to raw skills and ability but slow to make adjustments. The Yankees didn’t get any worthwhile production out of Melky while he was cheap and before he put it all together evidenced by the fact that as soon as he was set to make a decent amount (3 mil) they shipped him out prematurely. If Montero is a worthless DH for 3 years and Seattle only gets 3 cost-controlled years worth of significant production, then it’s no big loss. The Yankees can’t afford to wait out the learning curve with some players like what happened with Melky. And maybe attitude is a factor as is maturity.

  37. Stoneburner May 30th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Howe Farr May 30th, 2012 at 9:00 am
    Russell Martin: 190/333/339/672
    Jesus Montero: 246/283/398/680

    ______________________

    Interesting – very interesting – very very interesting.

    Love the counter arguments on this one so far – and they are CLASSIC.

    One argument is that you have to see the games – and boy – did Montero foul that ball off hard down the line. Really? We are going on foul balls here. An out is an out is an out – or are all of your complaining about the Yankees and their hitting do not hold any muster – b/c Martin has fouled it hard down the line, Tex has, etc.

    Love this other argument – he has no protection in the lineup. First, if he is generational, he is generational regardless who he has hitting around him – that is what makes a player generational. Second, many comparisons have been made to a Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols – but it is not as if those sluggers had the greatest protection as well early in their careers. And ARod showed that he could hit with or without a Griffey helping him.

    The excuses.

    And here is the best counter-argument of all – well – he needs to make adjustments – and he will probably start paying dividends next year or in 2014 – the outrage over this trade is more geared towards the future and NOT this year. Unbelievable – then under that theory – the trade cannot be properly evaluated b/c Pineda could be pitching next year when Montero will supposedly make the adjustments and figure it out.

    The saga of excuses continues.

  38. Warning Track Power May 30th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    so glad the 3 game series in anaheim ends tonight.
    Yankees have to play the perfect game in order to get a win in that stadium.
    where and why and when did the team become cursed in orange county?

  39. hardwired7 May 30th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Next bases loaded situation, pinch-hit w/Chris Stewart. Problem solved.

  40. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    DONNYBROOK, let me give some perspective for you. there was a great study done, i need to find the data, and it showed that a guy like Gardner got to more one ball a week the average (not below average) defender would not have gotten to. Let’s assume that it adds up to 1.5 bases a week – could be a possible HR like yesterday or a triple, but let’s just assume half singles and half doubles. Lets say at a 30 weeks a year that is 30 outs turned into 45 extra bases a year. if you add that to a guy with 600 AB’s that adds about 85 points to someone’s OPS. So not taking throwing arm into the equation and assuming the SB’s are equal, if Gardner had an OPS of .740 it was really the same as an average defender who had an OPS of .822. Gardner’s plus arm helps as well but not as big a factor as his SB’s which added 23 extra bases last year which is an additional 0.45 to his OPS. So Gardner at an OPS of ,740 when making his defense league average and his SB’s league average really has an OPS of .867. This is why is value is greater than people see

  41. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Im sure Hal has calculated on his TI-83 how much he can alllow attendance to fall before revenue losses outweigh the money saved by getting under 189.

    I figure theyll save about 50 million from where they are now…..so he can probably let attendace fall quite a bit and still have more net .

  42. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “As long as the Yanks can sell the premium seats and commercial time on YES the Yanks will be OK.”

    If the Yankees continue to be the snooze-fest they are now, YES rating will go down, and along with it, so will the prices they can charge advertisers.

    Sure, they will make money, but there will be opportunity costs if this team starts missing the playoffs, as they could begin doing for a few years.

  43. Bret The Hitman May 30th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Short version is, while the Yankees might have projected Montero to be a good or great player someday, they didn’t know when he would be good and figured it could take a while.

  44. austinmac May 30th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    It is fun to watch the enthusiasm of young players. It does help bring excitement to the team as well as the fans. It is a long season and veterans naturally have less enthusiasm. Cano and Melky provided it when they came up.

    Wouldn’t we all love to have Trout? He has been the no. 1 minor league prospect so he is the real deal.

    I am no expert in progression of minor league players, but it seems to me some of the Charleston guys need to move up to Tampa if their is any prayer they can play in 2014. I don’t think it would hurt to give them hope of progress and a challenge. While none of them are Trout or Harper, I suspect both those guys would be in AA if they were in the Yankee system.

  45. RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    I missed the sarcasm, my bad…
    —————-

    Haha, no problem. I realized that it would probably go misinterpreted. I haven’t done a whole lot of research about the injury/surgery, but I imagine it’s all really case by case. Hardly something to trumpet optimism about, I understand.

    I honestly believe that the Yankees payroll hit the point of diminishing returns long ago. There’s plenty of room to increase efficiency and competitiveness. The farm and tightening up on long term contracts is were it starts.

  46. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    The Yankees can’t afford to wait out the learning curve with some players like what happened with Melky. And maybe attitude is a factor as is maturity.”

    But they can afford to watch Vazquez suck, twice?

  47. Tackelberry May 30th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Charleston leading 14-6 in 8th inning in game 1 of a doubleheader. Tyler Austin 4-4 with a double, 2 singles, triple, walk and 2 rbis. Man is he on fire! Gary Sanchez with a double and a grand slam!

  48. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    The Yanks miss Gardner a lot….its been obvious this year……..problem is that hes becoming somewhat injury prone and having his speed and defense doesnt help from the DL

  49. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    bruceb May 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    What are the stats for A-Rod re home runs. Two in the last how many at bats? And they were back-to-back if my memory serves me right?
    *********

    From May 8th on he had one game where he homered twice…span of of about 77 AB’s with the two HR’s. I still think even though he is a line drive hitter, he should hit 20 HR’s

  50. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    STONEBURNER, also stats have shown that protection has not led to guys hitting better. The stats show this over and over even though you may think it matters. the reason is that when guys walk it is still productive for your team.

  51. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Cervelli has been hot lately. Maybe they could bring him up and hope for some clutchness.

  52. blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Montero is a 22 year old rookie being asked to hit in the middle of a big league lineup immediately …..its not as easy as it sounds and hes also been a slow starter the last couple of years….lets compare Martin and Montero’s numbers on Sept 30th and see where we are.

  53. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Yankees missing of Gardner is a testament to what he brings, but also an indictment of what the Yankees lack.

    Melky may have developed more quickly had he stayed in NY and not been dealt. So there is that argument that his growth was retarded by having been dealt.

    Montero did fine last September and is in a different lineup, playing at a different ballpark. So, again the assumption that what he is giving you in Safeco is what he would have given you in NY is facile at best. Though agree we cannot know.

    Going to lunch. Later.

  54. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Maybe Montero wasn’t the right fit here, but they should have traded him for offense. That they have ZERO other ML ready bat with upsidde at AAA, and they still traded Montero, is as negligent as a GM can be.

  55. RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    STONEBURNER, also stats have shown that protection has not led to guys hitting better. The stats show this over and over even though you may think it matters. the reason is that when guys walk it is still productive for your team.
    ————-

    Can you elaborate? I’d imagine a one-slugger driven team would be even more productive if he was intentionally walked less.

  56. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    I like Gardner, Always have. I value defense, always have. But based on what I have seen outta the Yanks thus far, defense is NOT losing them games. Their RISP is HORRIBLE, and their SP has been spotty at best, including CC. A SP making a couple mistakes\errors\Pettitte, is hurting the Yanks Far more than their defense. The lame Yankee Avg\RISP also makes these pitching mistakes\errors critical.

  57. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    “Going to lunch. Later.”

    I’ll have Cobb salad. Thanks in advance.

  58. RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    blake May 30th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    Montero is a 22 year old rookie being asked to hit in the middle of a big league lineup immediately …..its not as easy as it sounds and hes also been a slow starter the last couple of years….lets compare Martin and Montero’s numbers on Sept 30th and see where we are.
    —————–

    I think the overall expectations for Montero were way too high this year. He is having a pretty good rookie year too.

  59. Yank 97 May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    BrandonTierney
    It’s amazing watching Giants fans embrace Melky. The Bronx was dying to do the same, I saw it. He just needed to mature. He’s matured.

    Didn’t realize Tierney works out in SF now – he was good on 1050

  60. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    When you look at A-Rod’s dingers of late, look also at Who was chucking the A-Bombs.

  61. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    “Didn’t realize Tierney works out in SF now – he was good on 1050″

    WFAN is vulnerable, imo, but the hires that ESPN radio have made while letting Tirney go are inexplicable.

  62. Howe Farr May 30th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Montero is a 22 year old rookie being asked to hit in the middle of a big league lineup immediately
    _________________________________________________________
    At age 22, Arod and Mickey Mantle were 3 time all-star
    At age 22, Pujols came in second for MVP
    At age 22. Miguel Cabrera had already won the World Series and hit 323/33/115

  63. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Yank 97 May 30th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    BrandonTierney
    It’s amazing watching Giants fans embrace Melky. The Bronx was dying to do the same, I saw it. He just needed to mature. He’s matured.

    Didn’t realize Tierney works out in SF now – he was good on 1050

    ——————–

    Yea he was good but for some reason they thought replacing him with Lupica was good idea.

  64. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    At age 22, Arod and Mickey Mantle were 3 time all-star
    At age 22, Pujols came in second for MVP
    At age 22. Miguel Cabrera had already won the World Series and hit 323/33/115
    ___

    Each had at least one full season under their belt before their age 22 season, but who cares?

    He doesn’t have to be any of those players to be very, very good player, and he’s a catcher.

  65. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Rich, eating Japanese today. Revise your request.

  66. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    RadioKev May 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    STONEBURNER, also stats have shown that protection has not led to guys hitting better. The stats show this over and over even though you may think it matters. the reason is that when guys walk it is still productive for your team.
    ————-

    Can you elaborate? I’d imagine a one-slugger driven team would be even more productive if he was intentionally walked less.
    *****

    There have been numerous studies that show that protection has not helped players hit better. Not sure if this example is correct because of batting orders, but, last year Gonzalez was added to the Red Sox lineup and Ortiz sucked. This year Gonzo and Youk are struggling and Ortiz is doing great? How can that be? It is because there is no correlation. and how could they have done well without the Ortiz protection the prior year?

    It doesn’t seem right, but the player is his own protection

  67. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    “Didn’t realize Tierney works out in SF now – he was good on 1050?

    WFAN is vulnerable, imo, but the hires that ESPN radio have made while letting Tirney go are inexplicable.

    ————————-

    Who was the genius that thought Lupica was a smart move. It would have been nice if Tierney took over for Joe and Evan or was partnered with Mike. It would have given us an unfiltered Yankee fan.

  68. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    yf

    Let’s see, the Yankees are on the west coast….California rolls! ;)

  69. yankeefeminista May 30th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Rich, inside out with flying fish roe? Will bring some upon my return.

  70. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    I think the overall expectations for Montero were way too high this year. He is having a pretty good rookie year too.
    *******

    Really? His defense has been as advertised throwing out nobody and being stiff behind the plate to the point where he is not catching every day and his offense has been Martin like?

    if we would have traded away Baneulos for a stud prospect and he played like Montero was playing this board would be going nuts

  71. Howe Farr May 30th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    When you look at A-Rod?s dingers of late, look also at Who was chucking the A-Bombs.

    ___________________________________________________________
    Ervin Santana, Clay Buchholz, Derik Holland and Justin Verlander, to name a few…

  72. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    I like Gardner, Always have. I value defense, always have. But based on what I have seen outta the Yanks thus far, defense is NOT losing them games. Their RISP is HORRIBLE, and their SP has been spotty at best, including CC. A SP making a couple mistakes\errors\Pettitte, is hurting the Yanks Far more than their defense. The lame Yankee Avg\RISP also makes these pitching mistakes\errors critical.
    *****

    no argument if you want to say the main reason we aren’t winning more is the lack of hitting with RISP, I have to agree. But, don’t minimize other contributory issues as there could be a few more wins with better managing, better defense, etc…

  73. ET May 30th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Even if Montero became Carlos Lee, a young cost-controlled Carlos Lee is still a significant benefit to our aging lineup moving forward

    I’ve come to the conclusion that the FO is simply mesmerized by the names of the players in the lineup and are oblivious to their present-day production or declining numbers. I’m also not sure they’ve taken into account that the 2 remaining players in their primes, Cano and Granderson, are going to demand significant contracts in FA, and in the case of Granderson, the contract will be for his mid-late 30s, not his prime. That is the only explanation I can think of for the way they’ve configured the offense and the moves they’ve made.

  74. blake May 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Not sure that Mickey Mantle, Pujols, and Arod’s age 22 seasons are relevant to two months of Montero’s……plenty of other good players were either still in the minkrs or not good at that age

  75. blake May 30th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    “if we would have traded away Baneulos for a stud prospect and he played like Montero was playing this board would be going nuts”

    I would much rather have traded Banuelos for a stud hitting prospect and have that prospect struggle than to trade said stud hitting prospet for a pitcher who then tears his labrum

  76. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    They are a little handcuffed now and perhaps that was one of the reason they felt moving Montero was a good move…where could you play someone else barring an injury? Ironically, the only open position was catcher and the Yanks felt he was not good enough defensively…and honestly I don’t disagree.

    Here is the trade we should look for. Once Hughes starts pitching better, trade Swisher and Hughes for a stud OF’r with next year being his free agent year…but we must sign him

  77. Yank 97 May 30th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “Who was the genius that thought Lupica was a smart move. It would have been nice if Tierney took over for Joe and Evan or was partnered with Mike. It would have given us an unfiltered Yankee fan.”

    1050 is obsessed with ‘celebrity’ hosts like Lupica, Kay, Stephen A, Cowherd, who like to drum up controversy and create headlines. They think that is the way for steal ratings from WFAN, not through smart, thought-provoking radio, but through ranting lunatics who draw attention to themselves.

    Tierney and Rucco would have been an ideal pairing.

  78. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    LOL Blake…well yes, if we knew he would tear his labrum then we shouldn;t have done the deal.

  79. Yank 97 May 30th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    lol Mike F. is ticked off today

  80. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Yank 97 May 30th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “Who was the genius that thought Lupica was a smart move. It would have been nice if Tierney took over for Joe and Evan or was partnered with Mike. It would have given us an unfiltered Yankee fan.”

    1050 is obsessed with ‘celebrity’ hosts like Lupica, Kay, Stephen A, Cowherd, who like to drum up controversy and create headlines. They think that is the way for steal ratings from WFAN, not through smart, thought-provoking radio, but through ranting lunatics who draw attention to themselves.

    Tierney and Rucco would have been an ideal pairing.

    —————————

    Yea that would have been great. What’s messed it is while Tierney was there they bounced with around. Morning, night, afternoon, partner, no partner, etc.

    Lol I bet you Francesa says “Where are the Yankees young guys from the minors”

  81. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    bounced him around*

  82. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Lupica is awful if you ask me. He has no feel for the game…he is a reporter that is it. Stephen A is unlistenable as well. Outside of basketball he has no clue. Then again Francessa doesn;t know baseball either. Quick story. When baseball added the wild care I hated it and came up with my solution which is the EXACT system that is now in play. I called Mike and the Mad Dog and they laughed at me. I have been writing about the playoff system in my blog for many many years. A guy came up to me at a party two weekends ago (Al Dukes was there if anyone cares) and he said “they are doing what you told me about 5 years ago.” I was like what are you talking about…and he said “the baseball playoffs, exactly like you told me.”

  83. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Once Hughes starts pitching better, trade Swisher and Hughes

    ——————–

    You’re going to upset a lot of Hughes supporters

  84. Eroc May 30th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    lol @ a Mets bench player having more RBIs than A-Rod

  85. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    A-Rod has what, 7 HRS? Just gimme who the last 3 were hit off of. Your Omissions are intentionally misleading.

  86. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Tommy Hottovy(1) Will Smith(2)

  87. Howe Farr May 30th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    A-Rod has what, 7 HRS? Just gimme who the last 3 were hit off of. Your Omissions are intentionally misleading.

    ______________________________________________________

    Why does it matter who his last 3 home runs were hit off of? Your criteria is intentionally stupid.

  88. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    A-Rod has what, 7 HRS? Just gimme who the last 3 were hit off of. Your Omissions are intentionally misleading.

    ———————
    Hey a cogent, concise comment.

    You do, add to the discussion.

    The rambling schmozzle isn’t there.

    Cheers

  89. Giuseppe Franco May 30th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    We learn something everyday in here from Donnybrook.

    Home runs only count when you hit them against LAA, TEX, BOS, DET, and TB.

  90. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    It matters because you chose to cherry pick in order to meet your agenda.

  91. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    You guys rag me, but you read every word I type. Informative And entertaining.

  92. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “They are a little handcuffed now and perhaps that was one of the reason they felt moving Montero was a good move…where could you play someone else barring an injury.”

    Catcher.

  93. Howe Farr May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    It matters because you chose to cherry pick in order to meet your agenda.

    ______________________________________________

    I didn’t have an agenda, you asked the question and I picked out the most well-known names of the pitchers that Arod had hit homeruns against this year, thus answering your question.

  94. Giuseppe Franco May 30th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    You guys rag me, but you read every word I type. Informative And entertaining.

    ———-

    Not exactly.

  95. darbodla May 30th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    When an entire team is that bad hitting with the bases loaded, the hitting coach has to share the blame. Clearly their collective approach is a fail.

  96. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    I heard Lupicas voice for the first time recently. It fits him perfectly.

    To me if you’re still counting on the papers to get your baseball news, you’re way out

  97. blake May 30th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    “Here is the trade we should look for. Once Hughes starts pitching better, trade Swisher and Hughes for a stud OF’r with next year being his free agent year…but we must sign him”

    Problems…..who is this person and would Hal let them sign him? Choo and Ellsbury are about the only ones I can think of. If they are serious about the budget then Cashman needs to be looking for a cost controlled outfielder whether it be a buy low candidate like Belt or somebody even thats still in the minors….

  98. comet May 30th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    The Genius Maker how may I access your blog?

    TIA

  99. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    “When an entire team is that bad hitting with the bases loaded, the hitting coach has to share the blame”

    Fire him. It’s unlikely anything will change.

    But that/s not the only failure with the organization, so the firings, should they occur, should be more widespread.

  100. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Come ChiSox I will take the help again today. Up 1-0 already. Put it on the Board. YEEES

  101. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    ……way out of the know.

    Years ago Lupica wrote something about Joba’s mom. Totally sensational and just lowest common denominator crap. I wrote a letter to the News and never bought another paper.

  102. darbodla May 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    It’s always great to be a Yankee fan, but some years are not meant to be. This is one of them IMO. We’re probably not going to win it all and it’s unclear if we have what it takes in the AL to even be in the post-season. We have a very average manager who does not inspire, a very average pitching staff, an aging team and a very weak group of replacement position players in the show and the minors. Better than Texas, Tampa, Anaheim? I don’t think so.

  103. I Am Winning May 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    May 30, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    Maybe Montero wasn’t the right fit here, but they should have traded him for offense. That they have ZERO other ML ready bat with upsidde at AAA, and they still traded Montero, is as negligent as a GM can be.
    ———-

    By that above comment alone, I know not to take anything you say seriously because it’ll only be a joke.

    The only way Cashman was going to trade Montero was for the equivalent pitcher. No way do you trade a potential stud like Montero for a proven hitter with not much upside. And forget about a crazy Montero for Miguel Cabera one for one trade too. Cashman would look like a genius right now if Pineda weren’t hurt and were pitching well. The Yankees have all star hitters in every position. Some have dropped off, and some are doing just fine. Hitting wasn’t a priority coming into the season for reasons that are still currently obvious. Well, not to you.

  104. Howe Farr May 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    You guys rag me, but you read every word I type. Informative And entertaining.

    —————————————————————

    Actually, its the opposite, its so easy to prove you wrong, its kinda unfair, its like picking on the dumb kid on the bus. Which actually reflects poorly on me, but at least I am aware that I am cruel, you still live thinking you are smart, which is scary.

  105. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Hitting wasn’t a priority coming into the season for reasons that are still currently obvious.

    ———————————

    How?

    When ppl were complaining about the offense as early as 2010 and definitely in 2011.

  106. longtimefan May 30th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Darbodla, I couldn’t agree more-a realistic assessment.

  107. blake May 30th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “Hitting wasn’t a priority coming into the season for reasons that are still currently obvious. Well, not to you.”

    It should have been and thats the point…..the Yanks have been sticking their collective heads in the sand about this offense for a couple of years now……its not going to continue being good forever simply because the players wear pinstripes and play in the Bronx.

  108. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Never rode the short or long bus. Still waiting on those last three Chuckers, Mr Mean Guy.

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Winning it all when you’re an AL East team likely means that you have a lockstep rotation, unfailing bullpen, and explosive rotation. And that’s for any AL East team. Because as long as there’s an unbalanced schedule, the Al East will have to fight a lot harder than the other divisions who have weak sister teams they can sleepwalk against. So come October, the AL East is pretty beat up. And the fresher teams from the other divisions have that much more energy.

    Thanks Bud.

  110. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    2nd inning ChiSox bases loaded nobody out and couldn’t score anyone. (That looked familiar)

    Rays come back in the bottom half of the inning and tie the game. Like clockwork…

  111. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    “…only be a joke.

    The only way Cashman was going to trade Montero was for the equivalent pitcher.”

    The joke is Cashman’s record in trading for starting pitchers.

    “Cashman would look like a genius right now if Pineda weren’t hurt and were pitching well.”

    Obviously, you have no understanding of the injury matrix, or how susceptible to injury pitchers under 26 are. The problem is that it seems neither does Cashman.

    But even if don’t, if you think it was smart to continue to let a pitcher whose velo was down about 5mph continue to pitch for a spot in the rotation, your strange comments make a lot more sense.

    “Hitting wasn’t a priority coming into the season for reasons that are still currently obvious. Well, not to you.”

    It should have been to anyone with a working brain.But it was never been just about this season. A-Rod and Jeter are pushing 40. Tex has been in decline v. RHP for two year in a row. They have no ML ready bats at AAA. They may have trouble signing Swisher or Granderson due to their payroll aspirations.

    That’s what’s obvious, or at least should be.

  112. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    If Konerko maintains for 2-3 more years, does he go to the HoF?

  113. blake May 30th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    “So come October, the AL East is pretty beat up. And the fresher teams from the other divisions have that much more energy.”

    I never really buy this to be honest…..you could make a counter argument that those teams should be sharper because of the nightly competition ……its like the SEC in football…..those teams bludgeon each other week after week but which conference wins the national championship every year?

  114. jacksquat May 30th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    RISP:

    Jeter: .275/.362/.375
    Granderson: .200/.360/.350
    Arod: .170/.333/.298
    Cano: .136/.278/.227
    Tex: .231/.323/.423
    Swisher: .226/.290/.509
    Raul: .275/.340/.600
    Martin: .185/.333/.296
    Jones: .176/.286/.412 (17 ab)
    Chavez: .000/.056/.000 (15 ab)

    That is one sorry group. Oldest guy in the lineup is outhitting everyone w/risp.

  115. blake May 30th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    “If Konerko maintains for 2-3 more years, does he go to the HoF?”

    I dont know….but hes good every year and almost nobody seems to notice.

  116. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Trisha – I’ve tried to get everyone to sing together today, but maybe you can help:

    TRISH–A LOVE–JOY
    clap clap clap clap clap
    TRISH–A LOVE–JOY
    clap clap clap clap clap
    TRISH–A LOVE–JOY
    clap clap clap clap clap

  117. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    If Konerko maintains for 2-3 more years, does he go to the HoF?

    ——-

    It would be close. 3 more years at 25 bombs would give him 482 total. I could see him hanging on at that point to get 500. He is 36 so after another 2 years the decline could be pretty vicious.

  118. Shame Spencer May 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    “blake May 30th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Of course if we are dealing in hypotheticals then my hypothetical owner wouldnt care about 189.”

    My hypothetical owner is Hank!!

    Good post re: Montero hitting in the middle of the order too, blake. Imagine.. that kid would be hitting in like the 7th or 8th spot in our line-up.. I’m getting grossed out just thinking about it.

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    “They are a little handcuffed now and perhaps that was one of the reason they felt moving Montero was a good move…where could you play someone else barring an injury? Ironically, the only open position was catcher and the Yanks felt he was not good enough defensively…and honestly I don’t disagree. ”

    I couldn’t agree more. Love the kid but there was no logical place for him, no matter how much people may protest otherwise. It’s fine to say his defense is league average, but the Yankees aren’t about league average defense behind the dish. At least not intentionally.

    And the Yankee organization did not drop the ball when they traded for pitching. Because pitching was what they needed. It is entirely disingenuous to pretend that they were good to go with pitching. Now people may disagree with the specific pitcher they acquired but IMO pitching was the priority.

  120. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Blake – You, me and the Hawk notice. All that matters.

  121. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    And Unknown

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “I never really buy this to be honest…..you could make a counter argument that those teams should be sharper because of the nightly competition ……its like the SEC in football…..those teams bludgeon each other week after week but which conference wins the national championship every year?”

    There’s a vast difference between 16 weeks, once a week, and 20 weeks, every single day (except for a day off here and there.)

  123. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    I tell you what the ChiSox are playing pretty good ball lately. I think if any team is going to knock off the Tigers in the Central it would be them.

    Chris Sale has been stellar

  124. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    They have no ML ready bats at AAA.

    —————————

    That’s the thing that few ppl can comprehend. You trade one bat and with him goes the only ML ready bat you have. WTF

  125. PRDENTIST May 30th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Montero is not a Yankee, so get over it! What does the team need to do now is the question. I believe that there is not much you can do but play the hand that you have. We can’t discard 3 and get 3 new players of any real value back. They would be salary dumps. We have to ride it out and see what happens. We have to hope that the O’S don’t open too big a lead.

    I think that at the end of the season, the East will beat up on each other and they will miss out on both wild cards.

  126. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    despite it all, Kenny Williams is a good GM with balls. The Chisox haven’t been completely irrelevant in quite some time. He remade the team by dumping Carlos Quentin

  127. yankee 221 May 30th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    “So come October, the AL East is pretty beat up. And the fresher teams from the other divisions have that much more energy.”

    Actually, the brutality and competitiveness of the AL East has been vastly overrated. It’s not like every year, the teams are battling their tail off until the last few days. In fact, most years, the teams are coasting to the end.

    In 06, we coasted in September. Sox were done after the massacre.

    In 07, we did have to fight hard in the 2nd half to stave off Detroit for the WC, but we did clinch with a few games to go

    In 08, we were the ones who were pretty much done once September came. Boston took their foot off the gas too and Tampa won the division easily.

    In 09, we were up 7+ pretty much all of September that year. Tampa faded away and Boston took their foot off the gas towards the end.

    In 2010, the didn’t even want to win the division, they coasted in September, so did Tampa. Or rather, both teams were pretty bad in September, but were not in danger of losing their playoff spot

    Last year, we coasted in September. It was BOS/TB that were fighting for their lives.

  128. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Now people may disagree with the specific pitcher they acquired but IMO pitching was the priority.

    ———————

    Weren’t we suppose to reach the point where we no longer have to beg for pitching? No one is ever going to have a perfect rotation but isn’t anyone else tired of the Yankees needed to fill 2-3 rotation spots every single season?

  129. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    “That’s the thing that few ppl can comprehend. You trade one bat and with him goes the only ML ready bat you have. WTF”

    I suspect that it’s tough for some people to face how poorly this team has been run, and that the main reason for their success has been the other worldly continued success of Jeter, Mariano, Pettitte, and Posada (who were put in place before Cashman became GM), and of course, the huge, but soon to be shrinking, payroll advantage.

    What they are left with now is an aging team that, as Chad pointed out last night, usually only wins when they hit HR.

  130. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “Now people may disagree with the specific pitcher they acquired but IMO pitching was the priority.”

    Yet they have Mitchell, Phelps, and Warren as ML ready pitching options (Noesi too if he stayed), and no comparable hitters that are ML ready.

  131. Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Against All Odds – Is your moniker an homage to Rachel Ward, who is certainly deserving of alot more homages?

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “Getting rid of Melky is a vile stain on Cashman’s record.”

    The fallacy of the predetermined outcome. It never ceases to amazes me that fans will continually try to put forward arguments about players when there is no way in God’s green earth that anyone can know how Melky or anyone else would be doing if that player was in the Bronx.

    That said, I was sick at heart when Melky was traded. I think Torre gave away the postseason when he sat Melky and put in the mouth that roared, Sheffield. He forgot who got him there. I would have loved nothing more than for Melky to remain in pinstripes. I will never forget his catch against the almost-but-not-quite pregnant Ramirez.

    But I cannot and will not pretend that I know that Melky would be raking had he stayed in the Bronx. Is it possible? Sure? Is it possible he wouldn’t be? Sure. I would have loved to have found out. But it didn’t work out that way.

  133. I Am Winning May 30th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Any professional athlete is susceptible to injury at any age and in any sport. Signing CC was a big risk too. If he hurt himself during his first game as a Yankee, what were they going to do? There is risk regarding Montero too. It goes both ways. Pitchers in the NL are at risk too while batting. You can’t look at a trade after its been made and after one of the players get injured. It doesn’t make any sense and many Yankee fans aren’t being objective.

    You think Cashman would take back the trade today? Of course. It’s called hind site. Most fans are still nimwits and can’t figure out how to set up with a team of they had the power of hindsite in their hands as a Yankee GM.

    The Mariners weren’t just looking to unload Pineda either. They needed a good young hitter they can build around and the Yankees moreso needed a young pitcher with some major league experience and high potential. This isn’t to say I wouldn’t take the trade back, obviously Montero is better than an injured pitcher any day of the week, but it’s too late to whine about it.

    Montero may never be a Yankee again. I dont understand why fans fear that.

    At the VERY least, come up with trade proposals to get Montero back instead if wanting to hit the rewind button. It makes it seem like I at least have something valid to discuss instead of trying to change the past.

  134. yankee 221 May 30th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    But why trade Melky, along with a high-ceiling A-Ball pitcher, and a hard throwing lefty reliever, for a headcase pitcher with 1 yr left on his deal who had already failed in the AL before and had questions about if he could do it in NY?

    Same logic can be applied when asking why they traded away their top hitting prospect for a project pitcher who carried tremendous injury and developmental risk, like all unproven young pitchers do?

  135. TD213 May 30th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    If CC got hurt, all they lost was $$$.

    They didn’t give away a significant part of their future to acquire a pitcher who blew his shoulder out. It’s not that Pineda got the injury, it is that they traded away an elite young bat (which they desperately need) in order to acquire a pitcher without proven durability or performance.

  136. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    I like Kenny Williams, but he shoulda been fired after that debacle last season.
    – Enough With The Numbers -
    (1) KONERKO – NO
    (2) THOME – NO

  137. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    “Any professional athlete is susceptible to injury at any age and in any sport”

    This is just silly. Of course, guys can get hurt, but they say That There Is No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect (and not something similar about any other class of athletes) for a reason: young pitchers get hurt with a frequency that surpasses any other athletes, with the possible exception of RB, but that’s irrelevant to this discussion.

    “You think Cashman would take back the trade today? Of course. It’s called hind site. Most fans are still nimwits and can’t figure out how to set up with a team of they had the power of hindsite in their hands as a Yankee GM.”

    This is funny on several levels.

  138. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    The fallacy of the predetermined outcome. It never ceases to amazes me that fans will continually try to put forward arguments about players when there is no way in God’s green earth that anyone can know how Melky or anyone else would be doing if that player was in the Bronx.

    —————

    I luv ya Trisha but you can’t begin a post quoting Michal Kay. :wink:

  139. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    I suspect that it’s tough for some people to face how poorly this team has been run, and that the main reason for their success has been the other worldly continued success of Jeter, Mariano, Pettitte, and Posada (who were put in place before Cashman became GM), and of course, the huge, but soon to be shrinking, payroll advantage.

    What they are left with now is an aging team that, as Chad pointed out last night, usually only wins when they hit HR.

    —————————–

    Exactly they are not run as well as ppl think. Now I know someone is going to run in here and say for a team that’s poorly run they seem to win 95+ games every yr. You could win a 100 games and be flawed. Hell the student that doesn’t study for tests and half a**es on homework but gets Bs is a flawed individual

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    “Weren’t we suppose to reach the point where we no longer have to beg for pitching? No one is ever going to have a perfect rotation but isn’t anyone else tired of the Yankees needed to fill 2-3 rotation spots every single season?”

    Certainly discussion worthy. My own feeling, and that’s all it is, is that both Joba and Hughes were screwed with by an ineffective Eiland, and both are still paying the price.

    A little out-of-the-box thinking perhaps, and I don’t know that there’s a great way to scout for the upside to a David Wells mentality, but to bring any “overly sensitive” pitcher to the spotlight of the Bronx could end up being disastrous. And if not disastrous, probably not what you were hoping for.

    Bottom line I guess is that in no way, shape, or form is playing for the Yankees an easy task. I don’t think it will ever be a long-term training ground, unless the ownership decides that George’s mantra doesn’t necessariy have to rule the day. I don’t have enough of a pulse on what they are about to truly know.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “I luv ya Trisha but you can’t begin a post quoting Michal Kay. ;)

    It just seemed so much easier than having to preface the whole thing any other way.

    Call me lazy.

    :)

  142. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    I get the feeling the Pedroia thumb injury is more serious than the R\Sox are letting on. We have seen how their offense collapses in his absence. Last place almost wire-to-wire would be nice.

  143. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Hassey May 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Against All Odds – Is your moniker an homage to Rachel Ward, who is certainly deserving of alot more homages?

    ——————–

    No but maybe it should be :)

  144. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “They are a little handcuffed now and perhaps that was one of the reason they felt moving Montero was a good move…where could you play someone else barring an injury.”
    ***
    Rich said…Catcher.

    ***********
    Rich, it would be nice if you read the entire post before you responded that way; it is a little infair otherwise…here was the post

    “They are a little handcuffed now and perhaps that was one of the reason they felt moving Montero was a good move…where could you play someone else barring an injury? Ironically, the only open position was catcher and the Yanks felt he was not good enough defensively…and honestly I don’t disagree. ” The GM

  145. REZ12 May 30th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    I want to see some homegrown guys up here. Guys who you can potentially get excited about who might have a long term future with the team

    I’m sick of seeing Tex ARod Martin Stewart Swisher Jones Chavez Ibanez etc.

    I’d take back Nunez, even if he makes a million errors, at least he is fun to watch and could prove to be a solid player for us.

  146. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    comet May 30th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    The Genius Maker how may I access your blog?

    TIA
    *******

    Comet is on the right with all the other blogs, but here is a link…I hope you enjoy

    http://www.stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

  147. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    “Weren’t we suppose to reach the point where we no longer have to beg for pitching? No one is ever going to have a perfect rotation but isn’t anyone else tired of the Yankees needed to fill 2-3 rotation spots every single season?”

    Certainly discussion worthy. My own feeling, and that’s all it is, is that both Joba and Hughes were screwed with by an ineffective Eiland, and both are still paying the price.

    A little out-of-the-box thinking perhaps, and I don’t know that there’s a great way to scout for the upside to a David Wells mentality, but to bring any “overly sensitive” pitcher to the spotlight of the Bronx could end up being disastrous. And if not disastrous, probably not what you were hoping for.

    Bottom line I guess is that in no way, shape, or form is playing for the Yankees an easy task. I don’t think it will ever be a long-term training ground, unless the ownership decides that George’s mantra doesn’t necessariy have to rule the day. I don’t have enough of a pulse on what they are about to truly know.

    ————————-

    True the spotlight of NYC burns the brightest when it comes to young players. I also wonder if the Yankees take it too easy on their highly touted prospects? A guy like Nova was left in the rule 5 draft, taken out of the rotation when he was pitching well, never high on anyone’s radar but yet he has a toughness about. I realize he has had a tough yr but he still has an edge to him.

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    “Yet they have Mitchell, Phelps, and Warren as ML ready pitching options (Noesi too if he stayed), and no comparable hitters that are ML ready.”

    Do they? Last I read Mitchell and Warren were scuffling down below. That doesn’t sound ML ready to me. And that’s part of the problem with fans talking up prospects. Fans are not in the best position to decide when a prospect is truly ready and when he isn’t. Heck sometimes the organizations get it wrong, and they are trained to figure all of that stuff out.

  149. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    ““They are a little handcuffed now and perhaps that was one of the reason they felt moving Montero was a good move…where could you play someone else barring an injury? Ironically, the only open position was catcher and the Yanks felt he was not good enough defensively…and honestly I don’t disagree. ” The GM”

    I did miss that, but as I have said before, given how often they rest A-Rod and Jeter now (and even if they didn’t), their biggest need is a young 3B/SS (it’s not Nunez) who can maybe one day hit with both SLG and AVG to help offset their inevitable decline. Such a player would almost certainly been able to play some OF as wel.

    And if that player wasn’t available now, there was no need to jump the gun with their best asset.

    So I strongly disagree with the Yankees’ mindset, and think the way the Yankees are run right now is unacceptably bad.

    btw, Their catching situation stinks as it is.

  150. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    The Yanks put Nunez inna position to fail, and then booted him when he did. Sound familiar?

  151. REZ12 May 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Didn’t Hughes have the most success of his professional career under Eliand? He dominated the minors with him as the PC in 06 and his best season as a reliever was in 09 under him. It also was Cashman who moved him to the pen in 09. It was Cashman who was adamant about Joba as a starter for years, then suddenly changed his tune and decided he is only a reliever after one mediocre season.

    They’ve gone through 4 pitching coaches in the last 8 years. From Mel to Gator to Eliand to Rothschild. None of them have helped produce any young pitching. It is an organizational problem, not solely a coaching one. The decisions they’ve made with some of their pitchers, who to trade, etc. is above the pitching coach

  152. REZ12 May 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    “The Yanks put Nunez inna position to fail, and then booted him when he did. Sound familiar?”

    The Joba of position players.

  153. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    “Do they? Last I read Mitchell and Warren were scuffling down below. That doesn’t sound ML ready to me”

    No, they are credible options. Sure they may struggle a little, but again, there are no comparable hitters.

  154. yankee 221 May 30th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Let’s put it this way – they are no hitting equivalents close to Warren, Mitchell, or Phelps.

    Our hitting alternatives above A-Ball are akin to Cody Epply.

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    “I also wonder if the Yankees take it too easy on their highly touted prospects? A guy like Nova was left in the rule 5 draft, taken out of the rotation when he was pitching well, never high on anyone’s radar but yet he has a toughness about. I realize he has had a tough yr but he still has an edge to him.”

    Good question! I am definitely still sky high on Nova because I don’t think someone like him forgets how to pitch at the age of 25. His best years are yet to come.

    Against, do you have any thoughts about Stewart vs. Martin in terms of game-calling? This one keeps playing with me. I keep saying my thoughts on this are purely anecdotal, but it just appears to me that our pitchers do a better job with Stewart behind the dish. Not all pitchers want to call their own games. Andy Pettitte is the classic example of that.

    I think Martin is a great defender. I think that’s highly important. But the game-calling thing keeps nagging at me. And then I am left to wonder whether our starters would have different outcomes with Stewart behind the dish. And that nags at me even more.

    Interested in your thoughts on it.

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “Let’s put it this way – they are no hitting equivalents close to Warren, Mitchell, or Phelps.”

    Okay.

  157. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    The Yanks put Nunez in a position to win a spot on the big league roster and he couldnt do what they wanted him to do…..doesnt mean it was a bad idea to see if he could be a super utility guy……they rightly pulled the plug when it wasnt working.

  158. mick May 30th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    So I strongly disagree with the Yankees’ mindset, and think the way the Yankees are run right now is unacceptably bad.
    ==============================
    Rich-
    Agreed they haven’t won with this squad in 11 years (not counting 09) ,which now appears like somewhat of an anomaly, albeit , on paper, this looks like a team that can win every year.
    Who would have predicted their dismal RISP failure?
    What other reasons are there to explain that they look like a team built for the regular season only?

  159. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    mick

    The only thing I would say about the regular season thing is that they are too HR-reliant, and that especially in the postseason (but also in the regular season), it’s good to have some hitters who are content to just put the ball in play, because when you do, the odds of getting a hit go up.

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    REZ12 May 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Actually. Eiland ended up with his walking papers the same year that things went south with Joba and Hughes. And who knows how long the Yankees waited before they fired him and how much damage he extracted while that was happening. If he had the ability to do his job well, he’d still be in the Bronx. You do know that Eiland was fired for “personal reasons” right?

    “It also was Cashman who moved him to the pen in 09. It was Cashman who was adamant about Joba as a starter for years, then suddenly changed his tune and decided he is only a reliever after one mediocre season.”

    Cashman doesn’t do things in a vacuum. He’s given the lay of the land by those who are observing the stuff daily. And if Eiland didn’t do due diligence with the pitching, those giving advice to Cashman were probably right on the money with their recommendations.

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    And now the poor pitching staff in KC is left to deal with Eiland. Talk about a team that really needs a break. Too bad they couldn’t attract some top-notch pitching coach. They have decent hitting. They could probably have a pretty good team.

  162. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    If CC got hurt, all they lost was $$$.
    ****** dollars can be used to get better players. remember CC was a major risk to people because he had just thrown something like 300 innings including postseason and huge pitch counts as Milwaukee didn’t care about his future. It was a risk and one I thought was their #1 priority because it is very hard to find aces. if an ace is available this offseason we should look to sign him as well…not 2nd tier…aces. The reason is that my feeling with the money the Yankees can spend is you go get the cream of the crop in free agency and then you fill in the cracks with young guys that hopefully develop (The Cano’s of the world). I am not usually a fan of signing the middle upper guys such as Burnett, but was in favor of signing Kuroda to his one year deal (even if he hasn’t been great). This is also why I was against Ibanez as I would have rather given the job to one of our prospect outfielders and hope he developed and if nothing else would be a good defensive replacement and a pinch runner. Obviously, Ibanez has hit far better than I expcted so i am wrong about this as well so far, but I still doubt at the age of 40 he will be 30 points higher than his career OPS (and after a .707 last year. That being said I hope he makes me look stupid.

  163. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....nkees.html

    Russell Martin – Martin appears to have turned down a three-year, $21MM deal this past spring, before long-term deals for Yadier Molina (five years, $75MM) and Miguel Montero (five years, $60MM) re-set the market for catchers. Martin’s off to a slow start at the plate, but a multiyear deal with an average annual value of $10MM-plus remains within reach.
    __

    If some team shares that view, trade him now.

  164. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Whether or not it ever happens, Girardi has said that Nunez will have Jeter’s postition at some point. He also said that Nunez will be brought back up but that when he is, the only positions they will play him at will be second and SS.

  165. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    The Royals have young offense…..the Yanks have some young pitching ….the Royals need pitching …..is there a match there?

  166. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    ” Martin’s off to a slow start at the plate, but a multiyear deal with an average annual value of $10MM-plus remains within reach.”

    Please let someone else pay it if so…..

  167. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I did miss that, but as I have said before, given how often they rest A-Rod and Jeter now (and even if they didn’t), their biggest need is a young 3B/SS (it’s not Nunez) who can maybe one day hit with both SLG and AVG to help offset their inevitable decline. Such a player would almost certainly been able to play some OF as wel.

    And if that player wasn’t available now, there was no need to jump the gun with their best asset.

    So I strongly disagree with the Yankees’ mindset, and think the way the Yankees are run right now is unacceptably bad.

    btw, Their catching situation stinks as it is.
    *******
    fair enough, but wouldn’t you admit that so far the catching situation would be worse if Montero was here (assuming the same numbers for everyone? Pineda’s injury makes it look so much worse, but Montero is not good enough to catch every day and right now; he is worse than Martin so far this year.

  168. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    “I get the feeling the Pedroia thumb injury is more serious than the R\Sox are letting on. We have seen how their offense collapses in his absence. Last place almost wire-to-wire would be nice.”

    A man after my own heart!

    :)

    Last place almost wire-to-wire would be delicious.

  169. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    “fair enough, but wouldn’t you admit that so far the catching situation would be worse if Montero was here (assuming the same numbers for everyone? Pineda’s injury makes it look so much worse, but Montero is not good enough to catch every day and right now; he is worse than Martin so far this year.”

    No, because: 1) you expect a learning curve with Montero. They endured one with Posada and it paid big dividends. They used to take the long view. Now, it’s so short it’s scary; 2) Martin might be better if he played a lot less.

  170. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    “Pulling the plug”, does NOT mean 86ing a guy to Siberia. They hop-scotched Nunez all over the diamond, (including the outfield), and then held it against him when he attempted to do what they wanted. The guy did Everything asked of him, and did so without making a wimper.

  171. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    “fair enough, but wouldn’t you admit that so far the catching situation would be worse if Montero was here”

    No….because there would be the chance that it improves. Struggles are much easier to watch when there is hope for improvement…..they are much togher to watch when its older or consistently mediocre guys doing it

  172. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Mendoza line gets you $10MM a season ?

    That was a sweet throw last night but I don’t think so.

  173. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    “Pulling the plug”, does NOT mean 86ing a guy to Siberia.”

    He cant play defense well enough to play multiple positions and be a utility player so they sent him to AAA where he could play SS every day…….not that tough to.understand.

  174. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    SS is also the address of a guy named Jeter. Again, they exiled a young player that should be improving inna Yankee Uni to Siberia.

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “The Royals have young offense…..the Yanks have some young pitching ….the Royals need pitching …..is there a match there?”

    Hmmm. Guess we would have to get specific. They have Escobar, Moustakas and Butler. I don’t think they’d be willing to trade Butler. It almost seems they like building around him. And Escobar and Moustakas have their natural positions spoken for on the Yankee roster (SS and 3B)

    Might not work. I guess I’d have to wonder why they’d trade away their offense.

    They actually have some decent pitching there. I just don’t think it has a chance of blossoming with Eiland. And gosh, you could do worse than having Jonathan Broxton as your closer! (Another arm that Torre just about wrecked in the short time he was there!)

  176. Against All Odds May 30th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Against, do you have any thoughts about Stewart vs. Martin in terms of game-calling? This one keeps playing with me. I keep saying my thoughts on this are purely anecdotal, but it just appears to me that our pitchers do a better job with Stewart behind the dish. Not all pitchers want to call their own games. Andy Pettitte is the classic example of that.

    I think Martin is a great defender. I think that’s highly important. But the game-calling thing keeps nagging at me. And then I am left to wonder whether our starters would have different outcomes with Stewart behind the dish. And that nags at me even more.

    Interested in your thoughts on it.

    ————————-

    I think the pitchers like throwing to Stewart. Now there are going to be games Stewart catches and the pitcher is going to get rocked for whatever reason. Whether they don’t have it that day or making bad pitches in big spots. Anyway when I see Stewart catch one of our pitchers there seems to be a calm control feel when he is calling the game. I’ve seen Martin catch Andy and he always seems to be jumpy on the mound like he’s fighting himself. Maybe he just doesn’t have his stuff on the day Martin catches and we’re making something out of nothing. Truth be told I’m surprised Stewie isn’t Andy’s personal catcher at this point coming off the games he pitches.

  177. GregD May 30th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    can we give the Montero discussion a rest?

  178. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Rich I argued at the time that Posada should have been getting more playing time than Girardi at least one year prior. Posada threw far better than Girardi and he was a better hitter. i was annoyed that Torre stuck with Girardi because he stuck with his vets yet Posada was far better. People used to say how clutch Girardi was. Do you know in his over 100 postseaosn AB’s Girardi had ONE RBI? Sorry, that hit a nerve :-)

  179. DONNYBROOK May 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Amen to that Brother.

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Donnybrook, I think sending Nunez down was really their only option at that point. Robby isn’t going to need enough days off to make it worth their while to have Nunez on the bench and Jeter does not take days off. Period. So Nunez would have grown roots. The only place where he could have played more, 3B, was a disaster. And it certainly isn’t anyone’s fault.

    I have to believe that Nunez has been told that he is not down there forever. So at least he can remain fresh in the meantime and keep playing.

  181. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    “Hmmm. Guess we would have to get specific. They have Escobar, Moustakas and Butler. I don’t think they’d be willing to trade Butler. It almost seems they like building around him. And Escobar and Moustakas have their natural positions spoken for on the Yankee roster (SS and 3B)”

    I kinda doubt theyll tie up enough cash in the DH spot to sjgn Butler long term….it would be a poor allocation of resources for a club with their payroll level….but he doesnt fit great on the Yanks and theyd probably want a lot for him as well…..Id ask.about Wil Myers.

  182. comet May 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Rich in NJ:

    “…only be a joke.

    The only way Cashman was going to trade Montero was for the equivalent pitcher.”

    The joke is Cashman’s record in trading for starting pitchers.

    “Cashman would look like a genius right now if Pineda weren’t hurt and were pitching well.”

    Obviously, you have no understanding of the injury matrix, or how susceptible to injury pitchers under 26 are. The problem is that it seems neither does Cashman.

    But even if don’t, if you think it was smart to continue to let a pitcher whose velo was down about 5mph continue to pitch for a spot in the rotation, your strange comments make a lot more sense.

    “Hitting wasn’t a priority coming into the season for reasons that are still currently obvious. Well, not to you.”

    It should have been to anyone with a working brain.But it was never been just about this season. A-Rod and Jeter are pushing 40. Tex has been in decline v. RHP for two year in a row. They have no ML ready bats at AAA. They may have trouble signing Swisher or Granderson due to their payroll aspirations.

    That’s what’s obvious, or at least should be.

    Agree completely. We’d better get ready to accept a team that doesn’t make to play-offs for a few years. It may not be this year, but with the contracts the Yankees have and the age of the players tied to those contracts they are in trouble if they really intend to do $189 by 2014.

  183. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    but wouldn’t you admit that so far the catching situation would be worse if Montero was here (assuming the same numbers for everyone?

    I said last year that they should have brought him up earlier, if they intended him to stick, because there was always a high chance of an adjustment period where Montero needed to figure out what to do at the major league level. Most prospects, even good ones, go through it. If he were here, hitting the same as he was in Seattle (which he wouldn’t he is getting absolutely manhandled by safeco, which I didnt think would impact him as much as it has), you could atleast point to his future potential and the tools he is showing.

  184. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    “fair enough, but wouldn’t you admit that so far the catching situation would be worse if Montero was here”

    No….because there would be the chance that it improves. Struggles are much easier to watch when there is hope for improvement…..they are much togher to watch when its older or consistently mediocre guys doing it
    ******

    Martin isn’t that old and Martin is much better defensively so given their same offense so far this year martin has helped us more

  185. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Donny,

    So you would have prerred Nunez to sit on the bench most days in the big leagues and continue to play stellar defense a couple of days a week? Thats hurts both the Yankees and his development…

  186. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    “Martin isn’t that old and Martin is much better defensively so given their same offense so far this year martin has helped us more”

    Stewart is about as good as Martin…..Stewie+ Montero > Martin + Stewie.

  187. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Martin is a better hitter than Stewart overall, but at the probable cost increase to upgrade from Stewart to Martin its not worth it. So I hope they go into next season by cutting Martin loose and either getting a replacement somewhere or just dealing with Stewart at the league minimum. The offensive increase from stewart to martin isn’t worth 10 million, and the defense leans towards Stewart so atleast he has that going for him.

  188. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Martin isn’t that old and Martin is much better defensively so given their same offense so far this year martin has helped us more

    -

    Martin is 29 and has been injured or terrible the last 4 years. He is going nowhere. Montero would be performing better playing in NYS and has hit very well when catching. He would have made a fine backup catcher learning the ropes from Girardi/Tony Pena.

  189. blake May 30th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    “Martin is a better hitter than Stewart overall, but at the probable cost increase to upgrade from Stewart to Martin its not worth it. So I hope they go into next season by cutting Martin loose and either getting a replacement somewhere or just dealing with Stewart at the league minimum.”

    Totally agree…..if the catching position cant be good then it at least needs to be cheap with the budget concerns……

  190. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Myers, who can play all three outfield positions as well as third base, thought he would be playing right field, but he was happy to be playing center.

    Geeze Louise. I’d hit on that (as they say).

  191. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Matsui is PH right now. He looks weird in a Rays uni, that is for sure.

  192. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    “Id ask.about Wil Myers”

    From your mouth to God’s ears. (Are you listening God?)

    How costly an acquisition do you think he’d be? In terms of trade prospects anwyay.

  193. bruceb May 30th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Matsui is PH right now. He looks weird in a Rays uni, that is for sure.

    Even in his dotage, I bet he wouldn’t be 1 for 10 with the bases loaded.

  194. UnKnown May 30th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Nova is one HR away from giving up as many as he did all of last year. Keep the ball down Ivan, keep the ball down.

  195. Stoneburner May 30th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    would be performing better playing in NYS

    ____________

    Why – RF in Safeco is similar in nature to YS – it is why Jack Z wanted a lefty in 2010 (Smoak being a lefty and a righty). This argument does not compute. Error 101.

  196. blake May 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    “How costly an acquisition do you think he’d be? In terms of trade prospects anwyay.”

    Costly….Im sure theyd ask for Banuelos + if theyd trade him…..the thing is that hes not a CFer and they just signed Gordan long term for LF…..so do they see Myers or Bubba Starling in their futute outfield or will they try to play both somewhere? Just depends…..

  197. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Struggling with bases loaded, to me, is definitely a function of something growing legs as opposed to players just not having the ability. IMO it is ludicrous to suggest anything but, or at least to do it with a straight face.

    I do know the situation exists. The only answer is to change it. The only ones who can do it are the players themselves. Long has nothing to do with it.

    The immediate answer? Get Swisher or Tex up there!

    :)

  198. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Why – RF in Safeco is similar in nature to YS – it is why Jack Z wanted a lefty in 2010 (Smoak being a lefty and a righty). This argument does not compute. Error 101.

    Similar except for the extra 10 feet of distance down the line in RF and LF being friendlier in NYS for righties, the weather and atmospherics (which are not related to poetics)? Error by the reader here, bad argument, lose 10 yards. SafeCo is harder on all hitters. Yankee Stadium less so.

    YS = Lots of HRs
    SafeCo = Not a lot of HRs

    The park factor HRs last year for Lefties in YS was 116, 98 for safeco. And infact has been that way since 2009. I didn’t check further back, no need really.

  199. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 30th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    In a baseball-related matter, some people are already saying that Bmore is heading for the basement and that it was bound to happen.

    I ask this question sincerely. Do baseball fans not know that teams slump?

    Can anyone say with certainty that Baltimore isn’t just in the midst of a slump?

    In the course of a season, every team is going to go through some kind of slump, maybe two or three of them.

    I’m going to say that Baltimore is far too good a team to suddenly have forgotten how to play. And as we know from experience, all parts of your team doesn’t necessarily slump at once, though it can happen. But slumps will still affect the team overall.

  200. Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I’m going to say that Baltimore is far too good a team to suddenly have forgotten how to play.

    They just forget how to play every year :twisted: They have gotten off to hot starts before.

  201. Bo knows May 30th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    “You think Cashman would take back the trade today? Of course. It’s called hind site. Most fans are still nimwits and can’t figure out how to set up with a team of they had the power of hindsite in their hands as a Yankee GM.”

    —————
    No it’s not called hind site as in talking out your butt. But if it was intended, it’s a great pun.

    The nimwits also comes close, as in nimrods.

    ————————–

    Nimrod definition

    What exactly is a nimrod? Should I be offended if someone calls me one?
    Rodney
    St. Paul, Minnesota

    Dear Rodney:
    We’ll go ahead and answer the second part of the question first — probably. It’s possible the person may be comparing you to a mighty king and hunter of yore, but it’s more likely that they’re calling you a dipstick.

    ———————————-

    The nimits are talking out their hind sites. That’s actually – not bad. Maybe bring in numbnuts – hmm? So many options – so little time.

  202. PRDENTIST May 30th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    If people believe that Cashman makes all these decisions by himself, they are just fooling themselves. The Yankees operate like none other. He sits with a “brain trust” who go over all the players and checks on everything about that player with this group first, then a decision is made to which direction to go. Moneyball made is look so simple to pick up the phone and make a trade. Not so with the Yankees.

  203. The Genius Maker May 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Jerkface May 30th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Martin isn’t that old and Martin is much better defensively so given their same offense so far this year martin has helped us more

    -

    Martin is 29 and has been injured or terrible the last 4 years. He is going nowhere. Montero would be performing better playing in NYS and has hit very well when catching. He would have made a fine backup catcher learning the ropes from Girardi/Tony Pena.
    *****

    total speculation…we do know his OPS is the same as martin’s and we do know he still can’t throw people out and we do know his footwork is awful. the rest is projection…even if I agree Montero will hit better than Martin, the point is so far for this year Montero would have been a negative based on what we know and not what we project. To be fair, we also know that we have gotten zero from our trade so we surely are not ahead

  204. austinmac May 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    I don’t think I have ever read anyone say they would not like Montero to still be on the team. But, he is not and likely will never be. Can we not acknowledge both of these truths and consider what should the team do now?

    To that end, I would love to acquire Wil Myers. He would require someone highly thought and with high upside. Betances or Banuelos, for example.

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