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Depleted bullpen remains Yankees strength

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 31, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have lost Mariano Rivera for the season, they’ve lost Dave Robertson for several weeks and they’re not getting Joba Chamberlain back any time soon. This bullpen has been picked apart, but the Yankees still have the second-lowest bullpen ERA in the American League, and they’re still able to win games like last night.

“It’s just different,” Joe Girardi said. “You can say it was easy to manage it before because I had 7-8-9 and I could use Boonie. The hard thing is when you don’t know what you have. I know what I have, and I know what I have to do, so you prepare for it. What it does is it changes how you use certain guys. I use Boonie a lot later than I would have. We’re just not as deep, and I have to be careful, because sometimes I might have to use three guys in one inning, in a sense, and you worry about using guys too much. It’s definitely different than what it was before, but it’s not a surprise every night. I know what I have to do.”

The key has been pitchers stepping into larger roles, from Rafael Soriano stepping into the ninth inning to Cody Eppley becoming an unexpected go-to relievers when there’s a right-hander at the plate and the Yankees need a ground ball. The team has been able to mix-and-match in some ways, but it’s also been able to simply slide pitchers into new roles. Soriano is the closer. Boone Logan and Cory Wade are the primary setup guys. Clay Rapada gets lefties, Eppley gets righties, Freddy Garcia is the long man and David Phelps is the jack-of-all-trades.

“I feel good when I do it in the ninth, or go in the eighth or the seventh with bases loaded sometimes with no outs, I like that,” Soriano said. “A lot of people don’t like it. Me, I like it. I love it.”

The Yankees knew they had a proven third-string closer in Soriano. Really, the key to making up for Rivera and Robertson has been carrying a lead into the ninth. It was depth that made the Yankees bullpen particularly special, and they’ve managed to maintain that largely because Wade and Logan have emerged as lock-down relievers. Between the two of them, they have 57 strikeouts and nine walks through 41.2 innings.

“I guess it’s a good thing, obviously,” Wade said. “To me whether it’s a strikeout or a ground out or a pop out, I don’t really care. I’m not going out trying to strike guys out. It’s just kind of happened. My job is to go get guys out as fast as I can.”

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95 Responses to “Depleted bullpen remains Yankees strength”

  1. UnKnown May 31st, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “He just told me don’t do anything stupid,” Wade said. “It’s 3-0, we’ve got a base there. Don’t do anything dumb. You’ve got to in that situation. You can’t do anything stupid. He’s a good hitter, and you’ve got to weave your way out of the situation without giving him anything to hit. Hopefully he can get himself out.”

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    Love that stuff from Alex. He is probably the most knowledgeable player on the team. The guy knows the game of baseball inside and out. Always looking at the game with such great strategic perception.

  2. blake May 31st, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Girardi is a master at this…..I wish he wasnt so tied to roles and would use his best guys in more high leverage spots…..but Im not sure anybody is better at figuring out who can do what and putting relievers in a position for success than he is…..its his best attribute as a manager BY far and its a really important one also.

  3. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 11:57 am

    After watching last night, I believe more than ever this lineup should start with Jeter- ARod-Cano-Granderson-Tex or switch Tex and Cano.

    When Gardner comes back, maybe Gardner-Jeter-Alex-Granderon-Cano-Tex.

    We saw what showing speed did in the inning we scored the runs. Hit-and-Run, 1st to 3rd on singles, stolen bases. They advance runners, they distract pitchers. Just watch, when Gardner is back and Nunez is back (pinch running if nothing else), this offense will start putting up the runs we expect.

  4. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Yea i agree and have been saying for awhile that they need to flip Alex and Granderson in thr lineup…..Alex gets on base and Granderson is the best power bat and can provide the best protection for Cano.

  5. bruceb May 31st, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    According to RAB, Soriano has yet to pitch a 1-2-3 inning this season. It was certainly edge-of-the-seat stuff last night and I honestly thought he was going to blow the save. He’s no Mo, that’s for sure, but right now I’m glad we have him. Let’s hope he has a few more games to save before Robertson comes back. Hate the fact that we’re going into Detroit on the back of their sweep by the Red Sox. They can’t keep losing forever with their lineup. As usual, keeping Cabrera and Fielder quiet (or walking them) will be the key. Cabrera always seems to kill us.

  6. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “We saw what showing speed did in the inning we scored the runs.”

    The hit and run and stolen base were fun in that inning, but what scored the runs were the two long balls. There’s nothing wrong with the Yank offense that more home runs won’t cure.

  7. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I’ll feel better about Soriano when he quits putting runners on, like walking Callaspo in front of Pujols last night.

  8. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    At some point this year we could have Soriano/Robertson/Joba/Aardsma

    Next year we will start the season with Rivera/Soriano/Robertson/Joba/Aardsma in the pen (though i still believe after seeing our starting pitching, that Joba should still be given a chance to enter the rotation). That would be a nice 5 some in the pen and add Logan who seems to be getting much better and Wade (there is your 7 in the pen).

    I still believe Hughes will be traded at some point, and i also believe that while i dont think Hamels would even come to NY, if he would i think it could be more important to pay to get him then to extend a 33 year old Granderson.

    Think about the possibility of next years rotation starting with CC/Hamels/Pettitte (i think we all know pettitte will be coming back next year)….

  9. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    The hit and run and stolen base were fun in that inning, but what scored the runs were the two long balls. There’s nothing wrong with the Yank offense that more home runs won’t cure.

    ____

    I agree but if you watched it was pretty clear the pitcher was pretty distracted by the runners before lobbing that ball to Granderson. The speed DOES matter, even if all the runs are still on homeruns.

  10. Tackelberry May 31st, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    At some point this year we could have Soriano/Robertson/Joba/Aardsma

    Next year we will start the season with Rivera/Soriano/Robertson/Joba/Aardsma in the pen (though i still believe after seeing our starting pitching, that Joba should still be given a chance to enter the rotation). That would be a nice 5 some in the pen and add Logan who seems to be getting much better and Wade (there is your 7 in the pen).

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    If Soriano opts out, then we need Joba in the pen. No guarrantee that Mo makes it back. Wonder if the yanks would chase Melky and shop Granderson for a package of prospects

  11. yankeefeminista May 31st, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    I agree with putting Alex in the two spot, contact hitter, .370 OBP right now, not much pop of late.

    I’d go to war with Soriano and Cory Wade. Good news that we have a few off days here before we face the Rays. Once we get DRob back we should be in pretty good shape even without Mo.

    Bad news about Jake Cave breaking his knee cap. Sorry to hear he is out for the year, and just when short season is on the verge of beginning.

    Charleston games at Greenville are on milb-tv starting tonight for 4 games! I am going to see Brett Marshall pitch in Trenton today, but will happily watch the archived game.

    With Yanks new budget goals, they won’t be able to afford Melky.

  12. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    All good points. Soriano COULD opt out as he is now closing full time and may try to parlay that. Mo may not be back to start the season next year either…. If that’s the case, maybe we see Hughes moved to the pen too….

    I very much still think Hughes will be shopped to NL teams and that they should consider extending cano NOW and shopping grandy for GOOD prospects. (they wont). Gardner is a CF and we can find a way to fill LF and RF when Swish is gone AND if Granderson goes.

  13. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    With Yanks new budget goals, they won’t be able to afford Melky.

    ___

    Unless they trade Granderson, which is where the suggestion came up here.

  14. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    There’s no chance that Soriano will opt out, although I wish he would, Mo or no Mo. In a budget constrained universe that money could be put to better use.

  15. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    ” Wonder if the yanks would chase Melky and shop Granderson for a package of prospect”

    Depends on what youre getting for Granderson and what Melky will sign for…….I wouldnt expect the Yanks to do it because just dont operate that way…..they really should at least consider things like this though given their needs and gjven their payroll restrictions.

  16. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I just dont know if they could get enough for Granderson in his walk year to make it worthwhile…..

  17. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    The Yanks are going to be in it the whole way. They have basically the same chance as the other contenders to win it all. It’s inconceivable to me that they would trade away a key 2012 piece for help down the road.

  18. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “In a budget constrained universe that money could be put to better use.”

    Or in Hal’s pocket.

  19. mick May 31st, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    I wouldn’t consider it an even exchange if Melky were to take over CF from Granderson.

  20. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    “It’s inconceivable to me that they would trade away a key 2012 piece for help down the road.”

    I dont think they would in season…..

  21. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    The Yanks are going to be in it the whole way. They have basically the same chance as the other contenders to win it all. It’s inconceivable to me that they would trade away a key 2012 piece for help down the road.

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    In the offseason…. Not during the season.

  22. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Mick,

    Melky wouldnt be taking CF from Granderson, he would be taking LF and Gardner would be moved back to CF.

    All hypothetical because i dont see them teading Granderson during or off season, but they should consider what they can get in return.

  23. yankeefeminista May 31st, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    They’d put Gardner in C, Melky in LF. Melky may get a payday pretty close to Granderson’s though. I’d love getting him back, but just don’t see it.

  24. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “In the offseason…. Not during the season.”

    To be honest, it’s inconceivable to me that the Yanks would trade away a key 2013 piece either. It would take a sea change in the way the Yanks do things. Besides, the Yanks will be very competitive in 2013.

  25. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Granderson is due something like 15 M next year. And his extension would likely be somewhere from 3-5 years at 15-17 M/year. You think Melky would get that?
    I see Melky getting no more than 3 years and no more than 35-40 Million MAX.

  26. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “I wouldn’t consider it an even exchange if Melky were to take over CF from Granderson.”

    No….but what if you got Melky plus a really good return for Granderson? Would that be a net gain? Its not always about which player is better than which player…..its about what makes the team better…..and if the Yanks are going to start sticking to a set budget thats 20-30 million less than they are used to then they have to start thinking differently.

  27. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    “Melky may get a payday pretty close to Granderson’s though. I’d love getting him back, but just don’t see it.”

    The notion of giving a big contract to a player having a career year at age 27 strikes me as a recipe for disaster.

  28. UnKnown May 31st, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    I think the Sux and Tigers have one more tonight. So hopefully the Tigers can break up their losing streak with a win tonight before we get them tomorrow at another stadium where NY does not play well.

    The key to the series is Friday’s game. Got to get that one or it could be ugly. You figure Friday advantage NY and Sunday advantage DET. So Sat is your rubber and swing game.

    Of course that’s why you play the games because no one knows for sure. Taking two would be sweet and make it 8 out of 11. That is the kind of run this team needed to go on.

  29. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Wave, the way the Yankees do things now has to change if they are serious about the budget. Yes i agree the current Yankees wouldn’t think about trading someone like Granderson, but they can get some good young talent back for him if they did. If i believed i could definitely sign Hamels i would do that at the expense of Granderson too. As we know, neither of these will happen.

  30. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    “It would take a sea change in the way the Yanks do things.”

    There has already been a change is how they operate …..there needs to be another change in how they think……they cant continue planning on paying guys top dollar in free agency and they have to start planning ahead better….

  31. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Lets say for example…….the Yankees could trade Granderson for Jason Heyward this winter…..and they then signed Melky Cabrera…..are they a better team after doing that?

    Im not saying a deal like that will be out there…..but they have to explore stuff like that if they are refusing to just sign Melky or Hamilton and add them to Granderson.

  32. Against All Odds May 31st, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “In a budget constrained universe that money could be put to better use.”

    Or in Hal’s pocket.

    —————————————

    That’s probably where it’s going to end contrary to popular belief it’s going to be invested into the scouting and development staff.

  33. UnKnown May 31st, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    “There’s no chance that Soriano will opt out, although I wish he would, Mo or no Mo. In a budget constrained universe that money could be put to better use.”

    It would be great if he did opt out. I would love for the team to invest that money in other areas that would improve the team so much more.

  34. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    blake and ac1-

    It isn’t going to happen, the Yanks aren’t going to torch a year or two to rebuild. Primarily because it’s too risky, or will seem so from the FO point of view.

    As long as the ARod, Tex and CC contracts hang around they are going to muddle through and hope for the best. There’s no reason to think they won’t compete in 2012 and 2013, and lots could change by 2014 depending on what happens down on the farm.

  35. UnKnown May 31st, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    I know that the O’s are off today but I think there is still a good chance that they can find a way to lose today.

    Talk about reality punching you right in the face.

  36. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    “It isn’t going to happen, the Yanks aren’t going to torch a year or two to rebuild.”

    They wouldnt do it to rebuild….theyd only do it if it was to reload and make the team better now and going forward

  37. ac1 May 31st, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    It isn’t going to happen, the Yanks aren’t going to torch a year or two to rebuild. Primarily because it’s too risky, or will seem so from the FO point of view
    ___________________

    Looking at what they can get for Granderson and using the money to sign Melky (in this hypothetical situation), is hardly torching 2013. We won without Granderson before and would be filling his spot with a guy who has shown he can hit now.

  38. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Wave,

    I do agree that they probably wont do anything like that …..

  39. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Again it just depends on what they could get for Granderson and what Melky or whoever would sign for……if you can get a lot for Granderson and Melky will sign for cheaper than you project Grandy to then perhaps then team can be made better overall by doing something like that…..its toufh to say without knowing the specifics……the point is that the Yankess should be thinking creatively and exploring options….hopefully they are

  40. G. Love May 31st, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    The Melky thing is interesting because even Sherman admitted in his piece that the Royals didn’t think he’d repeat those numbers.

    I think every GM is terrified of being the one to give him big dollars. While he’s 27 and obviously in the best shape of his life, metabolism’s change as we get closer to 30 and if you’re not as dedicated to nutrition and fitness you backslide.

    Considering Melky was previously an out of shape ballplayer who got by and hung on in the majors because of his talent, I wonder how many GM’s worry that security might make him backslide the player he was. That was always one of the Yankees concerns with him among others.

    What’ll be interesting is who GM’s see worth more guaranteed dollars and pursue with more gusto. Melky, who is fit and playing the best ball of his life or Hamilton who comes with the specter of addiction along with star power.

    I’m not comparing the two talent wise, but I think it’s a similar decision for a GM. Do you invest in Melky and hope he continues to show what she’s shown despite the past? Do you invest in Hamilton knowing that at any second he can go on a bender and destroy the dollars you’ve given him?

    There are skeletons in both of those closets. Some worse than others, but enough for a GM to pause and make a wish before signing that contract.

    And I’d take Melky over Swisher any day of the week but I also think like Sherman alluded to that the Yankees aren’t going to spend on RF. They’re going to hope a Cody Ross type guy is free.

    As for trading Grandy and Cano, that would be like the Yankees pressing the detonate button on their chances this year and next. Unless they are trading one of them for Justin Upton or Felix, a sell off trade for prospects would come off as waiving the white flag.

  41. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    “As for trading Grandy and Cano, that would be like the Yankees pressing the detonate button on their chances this year and next. Unless they are trading one of them for Justin Upton or Felix, a sell off trade for prospects would come off as waiving the white flag.”

    Selling Mark Teixera probably seemed that way to Rangers fans at the time……

  42. G. Love May 31st, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    blake,

    They weren’t a playoff contender when sold off Tex to Atlanta though if I recall.

  43. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    G.Love,

    No….but its still the same concept…..I would never deal either of them just for prospects either though…..itd have to be a deal that made the club better overall now and going forward…..and dont think Id trade Cano at all.

    Like I said if you can deal Granderson for a big return and sign Melky for example then does that make the team better? It depends …..

  44. Tackelberry May 31st, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Bad news about Jake Cave breaking his knee cap. Sorry to hear he is out for the year, and just when short season is on the verge of beginning.

    _________________________________________

    YF:

    who said Cave is out for the year? He is currently rehabbing and is not expected to be 100% for the start of the season, but he is not expected to miss the season.

  45. mick May 31st, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    None of the guys mentioned could replace Granderson’s power except Hamilton.
    Right now , he is their MVP and should be hitting cleanup.
    Cano is not a traditional power hitter and could easily hit 2nd.
    Guess what I’m saying is I wouldn’t give up Grandy for Melky straight up.

  46. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    “As for trading Grandy and Cano, that would be like the Yankees pressing the detonate button on their chances this year and next. Unless they are trading one of them for Justin Upton or Felix, a sell off trade for prospects would come off as waiving the white flag.”

    If you don’t trade them (granted you’d need a return that I wouldn’t trust Cashman to get back), and the Yankees maintain the payroll shrinkage thing, then if Jeter, A-Rod, and Tex don’t continue to perform at a high level there is a chance this team will detonate for several seasons.

  47. bruceb May 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Didn’t realize Sux vs. Tigers was a four-game series. Scherzer vs. Beckett tonight. Boston sweeps.

  48. G. Love May 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    blake,

    You can’t bank on signing Melky nor do I think the Yankees would give him a long term deal based on their prior experience with him.

    I agree, he’s grown up and matured into a player that few could have imagined right now, but if I were the Yankees GM I would worry about committing tens of millions a year to Melky for several seasons.

    If after this season Melky wants to come back here and the Yankees embrace the idea, then I would consider dealing Gardner or Granderson for as much as you can get.

    Although having on OF of Gardner, Grandy and Melky would be one of the best in baseball when healthy.

    The bigger issue at hand to me is there is no reason, I see, to keep Swisher and not sell him for what you can get. He’s a rental now. They won’t resign him and I don’t think he helps the team get to the post season or win in the post season, so why not turn him into something. I honestly think we’ll win the same amount of games with his replacements as we’ll win with him. He’s the 7th place hitter against RHP now.

    If there’s a team that craves offense and wants him enough to part with something good, the Yankees should jump on it.

  49. blake May 31st, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    “Guess what I’m saying is I wouldn’t give up Grandy for Melky straight up.”

    Of course not…..but you have to factor in the return youd get for trading Granderson and weigh that in.

  50. Against All Odds May 31st, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    end up*

    not going to be invested*

  51. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    I would shop Swisher and Martin on a daily basis.

  52. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    That’s a no brainer on Swisher.
    He is pressing right now thinking of how much money he’s blowing.
    It’s the same thing he does in the playoffs.
    That loosey goosey exterior hides the fact that he is wound up inside, just like AJ was.
    I don’t think they will offer Melky the money either.

  53. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    .but you have to factor in the return youd get for trading Granderson
    ================
    true but you’d have to get a lot and knowing Hal it will be prospects.

  54. blake May 31st, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    G. Love,

    This is all hypothetical and Melky is just a name to plug in……my main point is the Yanks need to think outside of the box theyve been in if they want to maximize their roster under a set payroll…..tbey need to consider options perhaps they havent had to consider in the past…..either that or they can be the Yankees and sign Cole Hamels and Josh Hamilton this winter.

    What they cant do IMO is play it halfway ……they can be more frugal on one hand and pretend like they are the old Yankees with their decision making on the other

  55. blake May 31st, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Cant i mean

  56. yankeefeminista May 31st, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Tackelberry, Patrick Teale said Cave is out for the year and would be back in Instructs, but he is still trying to get confirmation.

  57. UnKnown May 31st, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    bruceb May 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    Didn’t realize Sux vs. Tigers was a four-game series. Scherzer vs. Beckett tonight. Boston sweeps.

    ——–

    Yeah I just saw that this morning as well. Ever since Beckett’s golf outing when he was supposed to be hurt, he has been really good. Who knows though, Sux beat Verlander so maybe the Tigers beat Beckett. I can’t see the Tigers losing 4 straight to those bums.

    I also can’t think of a guy I hate in all of baseball more than Beckett. I hope Cabrera and Fielder can wipe that smug look right off that jerk’s face.

  58. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    How can they afford Hamilton and/or Hamels with these constraints?
    Or should I say, who is coming off the payroll next year?
    Or maybe in 2014 is the right question.

  59. bruceb May 31st, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    That loosey goosey exterior hides the fact that he is wound up inside, just like AJ was.

    That’s very harsh. Mick. You can’t compare Swisher with Burnett – he has contributed far more to the Yankees. He’s a wholehearted player who gives his all day in, day out. You can level the criticism at him that he hasn’t performed in the post-season but there are quite a few who fall into that category. Take away 2009, and what has A-Rod done in the post-season? And he’s among the highest earners in baseball.

  60. blake May 31st, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    “How can they afford Hamilton and/or Hamels with these constraints?”

    Thats what Im saying…..they either need to remove the constraints and just sign what they need Yankee style…..or they need to be smarter and mkre efficient about hiw they operate

  61. Triple Short of a Cycle May 31st, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Take away 2009, and what has A-Rod done in the post-season?

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    1997 ALDS 313
    2000 ALDS 308
    2000 ALCS 409
    2004 ALDS 421

  62. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    bruce
    my comparison is that AJ and Swish were not the norm in NY.
    i have never seen 2 like them in all my years watching the Yanks.
    they are just not relaxed ballplayers and try to do too much.

  63. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    .they either need to remove the constraints and just sign what they need Yankee style…..
    =========================
    don’t see that happening.
    Hal’s goal is to balance the books,
    then laugh at everyone if and when he wins.

  64. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    …..or they need to be smarter and mkre efficient about hiw they operate
    ==========================
    that is his goal, good luck with that.
    sort of like reinventing the wheel.

  65. blake May 31st, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    “Hal’s goal is to balance the books,”

    Well thats a problem and will be difficult to do given the contracts they already have without it affecting the on field product.

  66. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Swish is too excitable.
    He plays with joy but I question how successful a player can be letting his emotions rule.
    You can’t name many who have succeeded with that M.O.

  67. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Well thats a problem and will be difficult to do given the contracts they already have without it affecting the on field product.
    =====================
    Hal is prolly looking at this long term and figures there might have to be some down years to achieve his mission.

  68. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    “Well thats a problem and will be difficult to do given the contracts they already have without it affecting the on field product.”

    That’s why I was hoping that the report of a sale might be true (as long as it wasn’t Dolan or Trump or that type). If you are spending $2-$3b, what’s $50m?

  69. Triple Short of a Cycle May 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Trump is probably the only person if he were to buy the Yankees to cause me to stop rooting for them

  70. EA May 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “As for trading Grandy and Cano, that would be like the Yankees pressing the detonate button on their chances this year and next. Unless they are trading one of them for Justin Upton or Felix, a sell off trade for prospects would come off as waiving the white flag.”

    Yes, but signing Cano and Granderson both to long term $120+ million dollar deals (and $150+ in Cano’s case) through their mid/late 30s is exactly what got us in this situation to begin with

    Cano, you have to sign him, but they will be better off getting rid of Granderson a year or 2 too soon rather than 5 years too late. They simply can’t have the “shoot first, ask questions later” mindset anymore if they are serious about the budget

  71. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    dolan would be a nightmare
    cuban might be better

  72. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    It would be tough.

  73. Jerzz May 31st, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Why? Trump would be like Mark Cuban. He would be passionate about winning and want to be the face of the team. He’d be like George except with a bigger ego

  74. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    dolan would prolly love to buy the yankees
    that would give him the monopoly he wants in NYC
    he could book concerts on every road trip

  75. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    He would be passionate about winning and want to be the face of the team.
    =========================
    but who likes his face?

  76. blake May 31st, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Rich,

    That stuff CB posted about Selig having his hands in whoever would be able to buy the team though is kinda scary…..

  77. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    I don’t want to waste bandwidth debating Trump. I think he’s a buffoon. I’m done.

  78. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    blake

    I missed that, but if Selig wants to get involved, I would hope he ensures that someone as competent as Alderson makes the baseball decisions. If so, I can deal with it.

  79. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    I would hope he ensures that someone as competent as Alderson makes the baseball decisions.
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    After he is done with the Mets, he can come over here to help us rebuild.

  80. Jerzz May 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    It actually is pretty astounding that 6-7 years later, the farm system still is suspect. They have nice BA rankings and Frankie P. says good things about all of them, but as far as producing productive MLB players, they’ve come up well short. They are not much better off now than they were before Cashman assumed control, and it’s not all because of A-Rod’s contract. They actually had a few solid drafts, then tailed off heavily after around 08 or so.

    The fact that the most productive of the players produced by the farm are with other teams now doesn’t help either. Cashman made a point in his PC when he re-signed even as late as 08, that he wanted to infuse cost-controlled young players into the team and rely sparingly on other team’s players either by FA or trade to compose the team.

  81. mick May 31st, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Cashman made a point in his PC when he re-signed even as late as 08, that he wanted to infuse cost-controlled young players into the team and rely sparingly on other team’s players either by FA or trade to compose the team.
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    maybe that’s why George had a stroke.

  82. austinmac May 31st, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    No Trump. Enough said.

    Cuban would be okay with me. He spends to win, but he says he can’t afford it.

  83. blake May 31st, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Cuban would be great I think….hed never be allowed to buy the Yankees I dont think though. Id love for the team to stay in George’s family ideally….but Id also love for his sons to show that they love the team as much as he did…..they dont have to run it exactly the same way…..and they probably shouldnt…..but there is nothing wrong with passion to win.

  84. EA May 31st, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    I thought that Hal would be exactly like George in his spending and passion to win, yet would defer to his baseball guys and combine the unlimited financial resources with smart, non-impulsive baseball decisions. Like they would utilize their money, yet not spend on bad deals or trade away young players. Of course, maybe the “baseball guys” we have are not as smart as we thought. We now know Hal isn’t as passionate or willing to spend as we thought.

    I remember Hank talking about how they were going to invest heavily in the draft and international market and “hoard” young talent from all over the globe.

    Sigh

  85. mick May 31st, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Of course, maybe the “baseball guys” we have are not as smart as we thought.
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    Aren’t these the same baseball guys we have had since 96?

  86. Against All Odds May 31st, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    I’m not even sure Trump has enough money to buy the Yankees

  87. Against All Odds May 31st, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    I remember Hank talking about how they were going to invest heavily in the draft and international market and “hoard” young talent from all over the globe.

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    Sad thing is they have done the opposite. If they stayed the same it would be alright but they have decided to spend less smh

  88. We Want Mo Mo May 31st, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    If that was their plan, then its a good plan. But unfortunately, we could have gotten Darvish for nothing but $$ and a lot of those $$ would be unluxurytaxable, and we chose not to. I think Shallow Hal and Stank are both money hungry losers, disgraces to their dad. Same with that outfielder guy with the As or some west coast team.

    Putting money in the draft is the perfect way to smite baseball. They dont want teams shelling out more than a certain $$ amount for certain picks, but the Yankees should give out $5 million to the 10th round picks if need be, and show baseball that we’re not taking their crap. Use the money, your only advantage, as an advantage. Pick players that drop in the draft due to unsignability and make them signable by offering oodles of money.

  89. We Want Mo Mo May 31st, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Orlando something or other… or Cespedes..

  90. Tackelberry May 31st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    We Want Mo Mo May 31st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    If that was their plan, then its a good plan. But unfortunately, we could have gotten Darvish for nothing but $$ and a lot of those $$ would be unluxurytaxable, and we chose not to. I think Shallow Hal and Stank are both money hungry losers, disgraces to their dad. Same with that outfielder guy with the As or some west coast team.

    Putting money in the draft is the perfect way to smite baseball. They dont want teams shelling out more than a certain $$ amount for certain picks, but the Yankees should give out $5 million to the 10th round picks if need be, and show baseball that we’re not taking their crap. Use the money, your only advantage, as an advantage. Pick players that drop in the draft due to unsignability and make them signable by offering oodles of money.

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    With the new slotting rules, not so easy to do that anymore. There are harsh penalties for that, including the loss of future draft picks, so I don’t see the yanks doing that

  91. We Want Mo Mo May 31st, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Didnt know that Tackelberry. So baseball yet another way to put the Yankees further behind the 8 ball.

  92. mick May 31st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Baseball is penalizing the Yankees as the common view throughout America is that the Yankees buy championships.
    Every title we have won since 96 and even the success we have had w/out winning it all comes with that caveat.
    They thought it better for baseball to impose this tax if we are to continue “buying” our championships.
    Some Yankee fans even feel guilty about this and yearn for the day when we can win one without being accused of buying it.
    Maybe Hal is indirectly doing some of them a favor by complying with the new rules.
    That is, if he can sniff one w/out spending his hard earned cash.
    George had no problem with the luxury tax, maybe Hal’s ways will be better.

  93. blake May 31st, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    From my understanding there isnt a ton of star power in this year’s draft….but I think itll be intersting next time there is a big name like a Harper or Strasburg that comes along what they decide to do……what if said player bucks up and tells all the teams that they want some number thats WAY over slot……….will teams pass because of the harsh penalties? Will they fall in the draft and go to whoever will risk it?

  94. EA May 31st, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    “Aren’t these the same baseball guys we have had since 96?”

    So much has changed since then though as far as influence. The team was set-up by Stick/Watson/Buck with Stick being the architect of the dynasty. Cashman kind of learned from him through the late 90s. Levine came on board around the same time.

    Then you had Connors and the Tampa fraction involved. George took a more prominent role again. Torre had a lot of influence until the mid 2000s. Stick was kind of in and out.

    Didn’t Cash overhaul the scouting department and the like once he took full control?

    Far different than it is now. Now it’s pretty much Cashman,s baby with guys like Eppler, Oppenheimer, etc. supplementing him.

  95. blake May 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Via Taiwan Baseball, the Yankees are after 16-year-old Taiwanese shortstop Tzu-Wei Lin. They had originally agreed to sign him for $350k back in 2010, but the deal fell apart because he was too young to turn pro at the time. Bidding is expected to approach $2M this time around. “For sure we will make an offer that is higher than the current offers to get him to join the Yankees,” said Ken Su, the team’s scout in Taiwan. “Our organization has given instructions to get (Lin) at any cost.”

    MLB.com recently ranked Lin as the 18th best international free agent on the market, noting that he’s a burner from the left side of the plate with little present power but a strong arm and solid defensive skills. He’s listed at 5-foot-8 and 160 lbs., so c’mon growth spurt. It’s worth noting that Lin will be subject to the spending restrictions implemented by the new Collective Bargaining Agreement come July 2nd, so expect him to sign before then. The Yankees are a very popular team in Taiwan thanks to the success of Chien-Ming Wang, and that can only help their pursuit of Lin and other prospects.

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

    Anybody know anything additional about this dude? Jerkface?

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