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Postgame notes: “Kind of like what CC does”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jun 03, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes had thrown two complete games in his career. The first came in 2005, a seven-inning game with Low-A Charleston. The second came in 2011, a six-inning, rain-shortened game in Chicago. Until this afternoon, he’d never been on a mound with two outs in the ninth inning, given one last chance to finish what he started.

“I just told him, this is your last hitter,” Joe Girardi said. “This is it. This is as far as I’m pushing you. Empty it out.”

Strike three was a 93 mph fastball, Hughes’ 123rd pitch of the game.

“Some innings, you get a couple of guys on and you labor and you go deep into the count, and that can ultimately prevent you from going deeper into the game later on,” Hughes said. “Thankfully when I got a guy on, I got a double play there in the middle innings, and I was able to put out any little fires that sort of started. Ultimately I was able to keep my pitch count down. The quick outs help — first-pitch outs and ground balls and stuff like that — and it all kind of accumulates to being able to go out there and do kind of like what CC does.”

It’s a fair comparison. Today Hughes pitched like a legitimate ace. As a matter of fact, he pitched better than Justin Verlander. One month ago, Hughes was 1-4 with a 7.48 ERA and it was reasonable to wonder whether he was on the verge of losing his spot in the rotation. He’s since gone 4-1 with a 3.60, and the ERA would be much lower if not for that brutal outing in his previous start in Anaheim.

In some ways, it’s that bad start against the Angels that puts this gem in proper context: There have been plenty of reasons to give up on Hughes this season, but the Yankees have stuck with him, and he’s spent the past month rewarding their patience.

“It’s all about making adjustments,” he said. “I could have let that outing in Anaheim snowball into a few rough outings in a row, but to be able to have a good one like this after a rough one, when I had put together three or four decent outings, to not let things continue to slide down hill, it’s a good feeling. It’s one start, and I have to build on this one.”

By the way, the picture at the top is Hughes’ reaction after the final out. For him, that’s a massive show of emotion on the mound. He knew he’d just finished off a good one.

• After joking this morning that the Yankees would never score again, Derek Jeter opened this game with a home run off Verlander. It seemed to set the tone. “We knew coming in that we weren’t going to go out there and score 15 runs,” Jeter said. “But we were able to get those runs early. Phil deserves all the credit. He was pretty impressive.”

• Hughes said he made a mid-game adjustment to maintain his fastball command, making sure he was “staying closed and driving my shoulder toward the plate.” It was effective because Hughes leaned heavily on his fastball, while mixing in a handful of changeups and throwing some good, tight curveballs. “It just seemed like he got good fastball command and he had a better curveball today than he did his last start,” Russell Martin said. “With just those two pitches combined he’s got enough to get through any lineup. … Really, his fastball command was what made him so effective today.”

• Hughes on the home run pitch to Prince Fielder: “First pitch hanging curveball. Even with a good mechanical adjustment, it wouldn’t have matter on that one. It was just a poor location. I put it on a tee for him. Nothing really I could have done with that one.”

• Girardi said he was more or less committed to giving Hughes a chance to finish it. The only thing that would have changed his mind would have been a lengthy top of the ninth. Otherwise, there was no real thought of pulling Hughes even after the base hit in the bottom of the ninth. Hughes was going to go until there were two on.

• Hughes was pitching with an extra day of rest, and he’s going to get another extra day before his next start. That helped ease Girardi’s mind about going over 120 pitches.

• After last night’s ejection, Girardi took the lineup card to home plate himself. Mick Kelleher usually does it. “I just wanted to make sure that there was nothing carried over,” Girardi said. “There wasn’t. It was all good. Normal conversation.”

• One downside to Hughes’ start: He’s now allowed a homer in all 11 starts this season.

• Jeter’s home run was the 27th leadoff home run of his career and his third of the season. The run scored was the 1,799th of Jeter’s career, tying him with Ted Williams for 17th on baseball’s all-time hits list.

• The Yankees have scored in the first inning in each of their last five games against Verlander and six of their last seven including the postseason. “It’s not like he’s fun to face,” Jeter said. “He knows what he’s doing. He’s going to mix it up. It seems like he gets stronger as the game goes on, so you’d like to score runs early every time you face him. Not too many people have had much success. We were fortunate today he was struggling with his command a little bit.”

• When a fan ran onto the field before the final out, it took an eternity for stadium security to even go after him, much less stop him. He ran all the way up to Nick Swisher and asked for a fist bump. Swisher gave him one. “I was like, well hell, he’s going to jail. Why not?” Swisher said.

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374 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Kind of like what CC does””

  1. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Baltimore’s Adam Jones, he going for an MRI on his wrist.

    MLB?@MLB

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  2. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Jerkface, would the Yanks gain a year of control on Pineda if he spends the first 2-3 months of 2013 in the minors?

    This is assuming he ever pitches again, of course.

  3. ron June 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    I’d trade cano for 3 players,minimum.

    A kipnis type of 2b who at the minimum gives us a solid 2b for years,25 yrs old,9 hr/34 rbi/.286 ba,.807 ops for millions,and millions less.

    In addition you get a pitcher/pitching prospect,another position player/prospect,so you replace cano at 2b,and more.
    It also gets us out of having to add another big contract.

    Then look carefully at granderson,tex,arod to see if it in the teams best interest to keep them.

  4. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Trading Cano is crazy talk. Pay him the money, my .02.

  5. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Careful, Tar, there may be some prickly pesonalities engaged in this crazy talk. ;)

  6. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    “I didn’t want to bring this up after last game cuz it’d seem like piling on but at this point I don’t think cano on a long term deal is going to be in the yankees best interest. He is a great natural hitter but the lack of plate discpline stops him from being a complete hitter and I really worry that he is going to be susceptible to down years not worth a 20 million tag.”

    Its a fair concern…..I love his swing and I think his swing will age well itself…..but no.matter how good the swing is if you swing at bad pitches thatll become more of a problem later on….and age you quicker.

    It depends on what it takes to sign him…..6/120 I do it……more than that then Im getting nervous with him being 31 that season. He will turn it around and have his typical numbers by thr end of thr year……but he wont be able to get away with his plate discipline at 33 the way he does at 29….

  7. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Hughes picked a pretty good guy to try to be like…..

  8. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    Trading Cano is crazy talk. Pay him the money, my .02.

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    I’m guessing that he’s going to ask for more than .02.

  9. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    Careful, Tar, there may be some prickly pesonalities engaged in this crazy talk.

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    You’d have been closer to the facts if you left off the “LY”.

  10. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    The issue with just paying anybody what they want these days is that doing that affects the rest of the roster much more than it used to…….they’d never trade Cano I don’t think….if Jack Z offered Felix and Dustin Ackley then maybe Cashman would think about it…..but I doubt it…..and they shouldn’t right now….but if they can’t get an extension worked out that makes sense and it’s looking like it’s going to take a Tex deal to sign him at age 31 then you have to consider all options if you’re going to be on a budget…..don’t think it’s something to think about now

  11. rm June 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    you can trade anybody for the right price. but the price better be very high for cano

  12. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    I wouldn’t talk about randy that way, no matter what he says about me.

  13. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    “Careful, Tar, there may be some prickly pesonalities engaged in this crazy talk.”

    It seems to be building momentum doesn’t it.

    Him and Granderson are the only young two young offensive difference makers in the line-up. I would keep him way before I keep Granderson, and I love Grandy. He’s not himself this year I will say that. I’ve mentioned before that I dont remember him swinging through so many FB’s as he has this year. But I’m an optimist, I think it’s temporary, and it will allow the Yankees to pounce on a team friendly deal.

    Of course providing they are smart enough. ( that was a bone to the prickly ones)

  14. ron June 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    I’d trade cano in a ny second for a kipnis type,but i’d have to get another 2 players back,with kipnis.

    It is a gamble,but kipnis is not a prospect,has 9 hr/34 rbi/.286 ba,.807 ops,and hits a hr every 23 or so ab to cano’s every 26 or so ab.

    The key is value in a player,and there is no value in a 22 million dollar,31 year old 2b,unless his offense is insane.

    Look at bay,crawford,arod,tex,and the list goes on forever.

    There is going to come a time when cano struggles,if we extend him longterm,and we will not be able to get a thing for him.Now we can get a bounty.
    The key is getting a kipnis type of 2b in return,and a few more players/prospects,not just a few prospects.

    Be smart people.

  15. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    LoL GB.

    I guess Randy deserves that after his oatmeal facial crack from this morning

  16. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    lot of 76 and 77 mph curveballs today….he actually fooled hitters with it today and it opened up his fastball a lot. I hope he can bring that more consistently….if he can and can locate his fastball then he’s going to be fine. The CU is good enough to help now…..

  17. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    LoL GB.

    I guess Randy deserves that after his oatmeal facial crack from this morning

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    A few months ago, I posted a video clip of a kid that kept going to sleep at the breakfast table and fell asleep in his cereal and put Randy’s name on it..

  18. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Ron

    Honestly never have seen kip is.

    But Where did you stand on the Montero trade.? I have a hard time equating anybody being against the trade, and being for trading Cano. Do you really think you are going to get an equal amount of MLB ready offense back? Or is this for a rebuilding year?

  19. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    you’d have to get a lot in addition to Kipnis and you’d have to do a deal like that after you’ve decided that you just can’t fit Cano into the budget…..I hope that doesn’t happen. They should be trying to work out a reasonable extension with him now…..so that he locked up through his mid 30′s not his late 30′s

  20. ron June 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    • When a fan ran onto the field before the final out, it took an eternity for stadium security to even go after him, much less stop him. He ran all the way up to Nick Swisher and asked for a fist bump. Swisher gave him one. “I was like, well hell, he’s going to jail. Why not?” Swisher said.

  21. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    “Careful, Tar, there may be some prickly pesonalities engaged in this crazy talk.”

    It seems to be building momentum doesn’t it.

    Him and Granderson are the only young two young offensive difference makers in the line-up. I would keep him way before I keep Granderson, and I love Grandy. He’s not himself this year I will say that. I’ve mentioned before that I dont remember him swinging through so many FB’s as he has this year. But I’m an optimist, I think it’s temporary, and it will allow the Yankees to pounce on a team friendly deal.

    Of course providing they are smart enough. ( that was a bone to the prickly ones)

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    Cano really isn’t that far off of the pace he was on last season.

  22. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    I don’t think folks realize how hard it is to build a winner starting with kids.

    I’d never trade Cano, a second baseman who hits like he does is such a rare commodity. There’s so many ways to go wrong with kids.

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    Trading Cano is crazy talk. Pay him the money, my .02.
    ///

    um hmm. Insane. Which is just another way of saying really, really crazy (talk).

  24. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    “I don’t think folks realize how hard it is to build a winner starting with kids. ”

    you don’t…you supplement veterans with youth….

  25. Benny Blanco June 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    You do not under any circumstance trade cano. I understand that we have aging players/hitters on the team. Why compound the issue by trading away a GG, hits for power and average second baseman?

  26. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    “Cano really isn’t that far off of the pace he was on last season.”

    That doesn’t surprise me. He’s always had the ability to put the bat on the ball, no matter what the pitch or location. I don’t see that this year. I see a lot more swing and misses. I’m going to have to check and see if I’m right. But regardless, I just think its a funk he’s in and not anything indicative of any kind of decline.

  27. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “I’d never trade Cano, a second baseman who hits like he does is such a rare commodity. There’s so many ways to go wrong with kids.”

    I don’t want to….but lets say they don’t work out an extension and in the winter of 2013 it’s looking like it’s going to cost 8/180 to sign him at age 31….do you do it? what if the offense continues to age and the kids at Charleston aren’t ready yet? What if they could deal him for several pieces that help give the team more flexiblity and make it better and younger overall? The old Yankees could pay their stars and not have it affect the rest of the team….the new Yankees can’t…..it sucks but they have to keep an open mind about everything…..same with Granderson…..I don’t want to trade either of them…..just never say never……I think that down the road anyway…..nothing to worry about this year.

  28. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “you don’t…you supplement veterans with youth….”

    If you trade Cano, you aren’t supplementing.

  29. Wang IS Taiwan June 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    GREAT photo of the grit we need to see more of from Phil.

  30. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Tar, he was hitting .283 last year after 52 games. .283/.321/.517. The biggest gaps in the numbers are in doubles and RBI. He had 11 doubles and 37 RBI last year.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Who’s going to be the 2B? Corban Joseph? Dave Adams? No thanks. Gumbs (and Anderson Feliz) are both in A ball.

    Not trading the greatest 2B in club history because he’s been a little funky with RISP. JFC. Can no do.

  32. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    blake-

    Look, if you let Cano walk, you can stick a fork in the Yanks, they’re done.

    \You have to resign him, even at that price, and hope you can fill in around him.

  33. ron June 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Tar

    I was against the montero trade because pineda did not have an established changeup,wich concerned me.
    I was also worried about injury wich happened.Just knew he would get hurt.

    But i did not complain,and getting campos eased the pain a little,now he is hurt.

    On cano,if we can sign him reasonably,obviously you keep him,but all these big long term.

    contracts almost never work out.

    Arod’s contract is hurting us now,in a huge way.There is no value in a 3b making 27 million a year,unless his production is unreal.

    8 hr/.21 rbi,and an ops under .800 is just not cutting it.

    It is not just about comparing cano’s offense to kipnis,it is about who else we get with kipnis,the money saved,and that money spent elsewhere.

    Even if cano gets 4 yrs/88 million he will be approaching 36 yrs old.

    Do you really see us getting off that easy???

  34. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Shows you what I know, he seems to be swinging and missing less this year not more.

  35. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    OK Ron.

    I see your point, just don’t agree.

    I think you pay him the money. What would be smart Would be to try and save years by signing him early.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Cano did not benefit from the Montero trade.

    Seattle actually walked Cano with the bases loaded because they figured it was worth it to give up a run and face Teixeira instead of just pitching to Cano.

    Cano was also pitched around to get to Alex. These claims that protection is a myth is the real myth. Cano has been getting crappier pitches and that has not work well with a hitter who tends to be aggressive. The solution was to keep Montero, and have him take over the cleanup spot gradually. Now the solution is to have NEITHER in the lineup?

    Mercy.

  37. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    “If you trade Cano, you aren’t supplementing.”

    depends on what you traded him for….again I don’t want to trade him and I hope they don’t have to……but at the same time I don’t want them to sign him to a bad contract either and neglect the rest of the team because they won’t spend the money

  38. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Tar, for all of the whining going on about Rodriguez, his numbers are close to the first 53 games of last year. before the knee injury, he was close to the pace of 30 homers and 100 RBI..all similar to what he had been for the 3 previous years.

  39. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    “Now the solution is to have NEITHER in the lineup?”

    Yeah I don’t get that either. How could you be against the trade and for a trade of Cano? You will not be getting back MLB ready equal talent. It doesn’t make sense to me.

  40. LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    If you were to rank the hitters in MLB where would you have Cano?

  41. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    for the record I’d much rather them work out an extension with Cano now…..my worry is they’ll wait til 2014 and end up giving him 8 or 9 years and 23 or 24 million a piece and that’ll hamsting the rest of the club because of the budget…..either that or my other worry is that they’ll just let him walk away for nothing if signing him will take them over the 189 limit….

  42. ron June 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Tar

    Obviously you never wan’t to trade the best 2b in the game,but i just don’t like the yankees spending maximum dollars on every single player in recent years.

    Never a reasonable deal.

    I cringe at a 6 year 138 million dollar cano deal.
    I’d much rather do a 4/100 or 4/92-96 deal.

    It is the age that bothers me.

    Imo kipnis would give us 25 hr/90 rbi,minimum,probably more.

    How much offense would we lose,and kipnis as of now makes under 500,000.

  43. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Alex is on pace for 28 homers and he hasn’t even played well yet by his standards…..if he plays enough games the numbers will be there I think. Alex isn’t the problem…..the problem is that the offense relies on him too much still…..

  44. Jeremy June 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    I want to say that I was wrong with my prediction that the Yankees might lose because Verlander was on the mound and Hughes was facing him. I was really frustrated with the offense after last night’s game. Hughes did a great job and it looks like he is really improving.

  45. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    “If you were to rank the hitters in MLB where would you have Cano?”

    independent of position….in the 10-15 range…..he’s still really good….better than he’s played this year so far…..he’ll get hot here soon and put up his numbers….what makes him great is that he does it at 2B….

  46. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    GB

    For all the under achieving going on with RISP, they are 2 wins behind the Rangers. Where are they going to be when that turns around. And you know and I know that will turn around, just a matter of when.

  47. RadioKev June 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    In what situation would the Yankees even trade Cano? How could it get to that point? If he doesn’t agree to the conditions of a contract extension?

    It will never happen, and even theoretically you’d need a hell of a package offered. And who would be in the position to make this trade and take on the salary? And who’d want to make a trade like this with the Yankees? Some NL team?

    I guess it’s fun to argue?

  48. LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Cano was also pitched around to get to Alex. These claims that protection is a myth is the real myth. Cano has been getting crappier pitches and that has not work well with a hitter who tends to be aggressive. The solution was to keep Montero, and have him take over the cleanup spot gradually. Now the solution is to have NEITHER in the lineup?

    Mercy.

    ——

    How do you explain all the studies and data showing no measurable effect of lineup protection?

  49. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    “depends on what you traded him for….”

    It doesn’t depend, because you aren’t going to get equivalent value. You are going to get dice rolls in return.

  50. LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Just for fun.

    Cano for Miggy.

    Yay or nay?

  51. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    “How do you explain all the studies and data showing no measurable effect of lineup protection?”

    Holy crap, I hope you’re kidding.

  52. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    “How do you explain all the studies and data showing no measurable effect of lineup protection?”

    “Never tell me the odds.” -old Lohud saying.

  53. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    “Cano for Miggy.”

    NO

  54. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    “In what situation would the Yankees even trade Cano?”

    don’t think it’ll ever happen….it would never happen in season…..so I guess the only situation would be this coming winter maybe…..Cano and Boras would probably have to make it known that they want 200 million and Cashman would have to have an overwhelming offer….even then I still don’t think it’d happen.

    The Yankees have to be careful not to box themselves into a corner budget wise with Cano and Granderson with what they already have on the books…..doesn’t do much good to keep your stars if you can’t put anything around them.

  55. RadioKev June 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    Just for fun.

    Cano for Miggy.

    Yay or nay?
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    Of course, but boy would it be something to see Cabrera play 2B…

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Data? Cano is getting walked with the bases juiced. That’s all the “data” I need.

  57. RadioKev June 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    Just for fun.

    Cano for Miggy.

    Yay or nay?
    ————

    Of course….but it’d be a fun time watching Cabrera play 2B ;)

    I asked this earlier: Is Miggy a better pure hitter than Alex ever was? I’d say so.

    He’s also ONLY 29. I forget that.

  58. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Looks like Soler wants to get paid in a hurry. He wants the bids by 7 June.

  59. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    “It doesn’t depend, because you aren’t going to get equivalent value. You are going to get dice rolls in return.”

    also depends on if you’re going to sign him…..if Cashman knows it’ll take 200 million to sign him and Hal says he wont’ pay that then whatever you trade him for is better than letting him walk…..it’s tough to discuss without knowing just how serious they are about this payroll stuff and what Hal will approve.

  60. RadioKev June 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Oops, double post. Anyway, have a good night folks.

  61. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Trading Cano for prospects is what small market teams do all the time. Anyone really like those odds?

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    So bad decisions on long term contracts are going to lead to a whopper bad decision – trading the only legit bat in the entire lineup. Of course, I will never again say ‘the Yankees would never do such a thing.’

  63. LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    “How do you explain all the studies and data showing no measurable effect of lineup protection?”

    Holy crap, I hope you’re kidding.

    ——

    Why would I be kidding?

  64. Madrugador June 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    WOW! Gone for a few days and you’re trading Cano.
    No Cano won’t age well, few players do but I don’t see a host of other options. Pay him his money. Expect good performance for the first three years of a contract, eat the last three.

    This team with this offense will need exceptional pitching to be successful and that will be true until some help comes from Charleston and Charleston is pretty far from NYC.

  65. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    “I asked this earlier: Is Miggy a better pure hitter than Alex ever was? I’d say so.”

    better pure hitter….maybe….but Alex had more raw power and Alex played SS and could steal bases…instead of a lumbering 1B/bad 3B.

  66. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    “Trading Cano for prospects is what small market teams do all the time. Anyone really like those odds?”

    I don’t know what this ownership is going to do….TBD

  67. LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
    Data? Cano is getting walked with the bases juiced. That’s all the “data” I need.

    ——

    1 walk proves that lineup protection exists? One walk?

  68. Jeremy June 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    If you traded Cano who would be the second baseman ?

    I know it wouldn’t happen but since people are proposing the idea who would replace his production ?

  69. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm
    GB

    For all the under achieving going on with RISP, they are 2 wins behind the Rangers. Where are they going to be when that turns around. And you know and I know that will turn around, just a matter of when.

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    Tar, there are very few years that I remember the Yankees or any team not coming up dry for an extended period in a season. as you say, they’ll snap out of it. For all the hand wringing going on, they still had .500 May. Not many teams with these issues can say that.

  70. ron June 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Soler has to july 2 to avoid the international signing cap.

  71. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Just like with the Granderson discussion you have to have context….it’s not about wanting to trade Granderson….it’s about trying to think what would make the team the best within the budget they are apparently going to abide by…..as I said then….if it were up to me the outfield next year would be Granderson, Gardner and Josh Hamilton and Cole Hamels would be in the rotation……but it aint up to me.

  72. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    “Data? Cano is getting walked with the bases juiced. That’s all the “data” I need.”

    I’m confused. Are you saying that Cano was walked because he wasn’t protected with Tex behind him, or that he was walked because he had protection, or that his walk retrospectively protected the guy in front of him, or what?

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
    Data? Cano is getting walked with the bases juiced. That’s all the “data” I need.

    ——

    1 walk proves that lineup protection exists? One walk?
    ////

    No, it’s based on watching how a pitcher approaches a batter relative to who the pitcher has to pitch to next. Good luck “measuring” that.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 3rd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    “Trading Cano is crazy talk. Pay him the money, my .02.”

    +1000

    “I’d never trade Cano, a second baseman who hits like he does is such a rare commodity.”

    Yeah, remember those smooth as silk moves to pick up a ball that most people wouldn’t get to? The “effortless” grabs in the air, to insure that runners don’t make it to first base? How about those amazing DP where he’s in virtual motion the whole time without hardly even pivoting his body at all?

    Now add to it hit amazing power at the plate, which will undoubtedbly return since you know that he’s forgotten more about hitting than most 2B even know?

    You might as well mark this down, and you can note the date if you’d like. ROBBY CANO WILL BE IN PINSTRIPES FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.

    ************

    Same with Grandy.

  75. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I didn’t say how long Soler had. he said that he wants all bids by 7 June.

  76. Jerkface June 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Nick, we get an extra year of pineda if he is optioned for a month ie no dl stint. If he is on the dl to start the year they don’t gain any service time. This is why injury was the worst outcome because major league dl doesn’t stop service time.

  77. LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    No, it’s based on watching how a pitcher approaches a batter relative to who the pitcher has to pitch to next. Good luck “measuring” that.

    ———

    Pitch FX??? We have data measuring how pitchers approach batters.

  78. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    “1 walk proves that lineup protection exists? One walk”

    Did you ever play Little League? I would have told my pitcher to walk the kid in front of you.

    J/k

    I’m channeling my inner Randy.

  79. Jerkface June 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Canos defense is definitely great but not 20 mil great, samw problem with tex. They have a down year and everyone points to defense…

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    No, Granderson is not Cano. Wouldn’t want to part with him, but Cano is in a different realm of hitter.

  81. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    “No, it’s based on watching how a pitcher approaches a batter relative to who the pitcher has to pitch to next. Good luck “measuring” that.

    ———

    Pitch FX??? We have data measuring how pitchers approach batters.”

    It seems to me you’d set up a regression analysis to see if the OPS of batter x is positively or negatively correlated with the OPS of the batter immediately following batter x in the lineup. I think that’s been done mamny times and many ways.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    type of pitch does not equal quality of pitch. Facile stuff.
    ///

    And I’m not saying Cano has been doing himself any favors lately, but he’s not getting much to hit and he’s succumbing to frustration.

  83. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Swisher goes, Cano and Grandy stay, the Yanks cobble together a pitching staff. Could be a winner. Better than the alternatives.

  84. TheStraw June 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    “I asked this earlier: Is Miggy a better pure hitter than Alex ever was? I’d say so.”

    I think you’re forgetting how great Alex was before he came to the Yanks. Arod is arguably the greatest offensive player in te history of the game since Babe Ruth.

  85. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    “Swisher goes, Cano and Grandy stay, the Yanks cobble together a pitching staff. Could be a winner. Better than the alternatives.”

    probably…..if the young pitching they have pans out they can probably do that….hopefully it will.

  86. ron June 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Cano to toronto for lawrie,and morrow????

    Anybody??

  87. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    “Nick, we get an extra year of pineda if he is optioned for a month ie no dl stint. If he is on the dl to start the year they don’t gain any service time. This is why injury was the worst outcome because major league dl doesn’t stop service time.”

    Can they take him off the DL when the season starts but still have him pitch in the minors for a month or two and get the extra year back that way?

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Except we can’t call this a down year. Do you remember Derek’s stats last season, how he was pitiful for the longest time and then went on a tear?

    There’s lots of season left.

  89. Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Pretty irresponsible on Yankee Lohud’s part to put up a photo of the fan who ran on the field getting tackled for that kind of attention is just what they want. Every Toronto security guard who was on the field when the idiot ran on the field and ultimately after Swisher should be F-I-R-E-D fired. And speaking of Swisher, he was foolish not to run from the fan. Hey Swish, a fan runs after you and you don’t run from him? What if that fan came after you with a knife or fistbumped you so hard he broke your thumb, out for the season, remainder of your $10.25M down the toilet, and there goes your new multiyear deal. All cuz you didn’t run from a fan on the field. MLB should reprimand Toronto for their slow response to capture the fan on the field.

    As for Granderson, he is not young anymore. He will turn 33 on 3/16/14 – too old to give two or more years to. No more guys signed into their late 30s which to me is 36-39.

    As for Cano, I’d offer him three years x $20M a year = $60M which would take him through age 34 which he turns on 10/22/16. If he’s worth his salt, he’ll take it. If he has a great 2014-16, he could easily grab another three-year contract. He has a career .347 OBP, has never hit 30 HR in a season, and has driven in 100+ runs in a season only twice. He’s a solid player but not as good as prime Jeter or A-Rod.

  90. TheStraw June 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    “Cano to toronto for lawrie,and morrow????”

    Not a chance.

  91. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    “Arod is arguably the greatest offensive player in te history of the game since Babe Ruth.”

    Bonds and Pujols have both been better based purely on offense….but Alex played SS and 3B….not LF and 1B.

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    “Cano to toronto for lawrie,and morrow????

    Anybody??”

    READ…MY…LIPS!

    ;)

  93. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    “It seems to me you’d set up a regression analysis to see if the OPS of batter x is positively or negatively correlated with the OPS of the batter immediately following batter x in the lineup. I think that’s been done mamny times and many ways.”

    I’m going to assume that they concluded the term pitching around someone is a fallacy. A myth not supported by statistical analysis. Wow.

  94. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    “Except we can’t call this a down year. ”

    You tell ‘em, trisha. The Yanks have as good a chance as anyone to win this year. I really don’t understand the pervasive negativity, and I’m not by nature an optimist.

  95. TheStraw June 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    I forgot about Bonds, but Pujols needs to put up at least three or four more years at his high production levels to match Alex. Thirteen 30-100 seasons in a row is beyond comprehension.

  96. rr212 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    I want to make myself clear and say that I don’t want to trade Cano.

    However, being a transplant that has lived in Philly for the past 6 years, i remember when a similar topic was being discussed daily about Utley (then, the best 2b in baseball) being traded on sports talk radio shows. Lots of fans in Philly now wish that they did pull the trigger back then. Again, just playing devil’s advocate. Obviously, Cano has been very durable, but so was Utley back then.

    I also just watched 12 Angry Men, so I’m REALLY trying to stir it up. ;)

  97. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    Pretty irresponsible on Yankee Lohud’s part to put up a photo of the fan who ran on the field getting tackled for that kind of attention is just what they want. Every Toronto security guard who was on the field when the idiot ran on the field and ultimately after Swisher should be F-I-R-E-D fired. And

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    how typical of you to want to fire the Toronto security guards for something in Detroit. Not the same city, not the same country.

  98. rr212 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Fire them anyway!!!!!!

  99. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Pujols has 8 1.0+ OPS seasons to Alex’s 6 and his career OPS is about 70 points higher….we’ll see how age affects those rates but Pujols had a better prime offensively than Alex….and that’s saying something because Alex was unreal…..and again he did it at a premium position. Alex is one of the 10 best players ever IMO

  100. Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Oh yeah, what if Cano stops hitting .300+? Then the Yanks would have another A-Rod i.e. another albatross contract.

    If the Yanks let go of Swisher, Martin, and Ibanez after this season, they’d clear $18.85M (Swisher $10.25M + Martin $7.5M + Ibanez $1.1M.)

    If the Yanks traded Granderson, Teixiera, A-Rod, and half of A-Rod’s remaining contract in the offseason, they’d clear another $51.5M for 2013 (Teixiera $22.5M + Granderson $15M + Rodriguez $14M of his $28M for 2013), $66.5M if they (doubtfully) traded Cano.

    They’d clear another $67.5M 2014-16 ($22.5M a year) trading Teixiera and $58M 2014-17 ($12.5M for 2014, $10.5M for 2015, $10M for 2016, $10M for 2017, and $15M in homerun milestone bonuses) trading A-Rod.

  101. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    “However, being a transplant that has lived in Philly for the past 6 years… I also just watched 12 Angry Men, so I’m REALLY trying to stir it up.’

    You will be less angry if you take the trip to Bustleton to enjoy the greatness that is Steve’s Prince of Steaks. I would not kid about such a thing. This is something that would unite jurors #3 and #8, I am quite certain.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    “Fire them anyway!!!!!!”

    :lol:

  103. LGY June 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    type of pitch does not equal quality of pitch. Facile stuff.
    ///

    And I’m not saying Cano has been doing himself any favors lately, but he’s not getting much to hit and he’s succumbing to frustration.

    ——–

    So is your theory that pitchers are throwing Cano “junk” because the hitter behind him isn’t good enough?

    Why hasn’t any of this lineup protection stuff ever actually shown themselves in the stats?

  104. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Tar-

    I’m not saying lineup protection is a myth. I have read that there’s no data to prove it. Intuitively it does seem like lineup protection ought to exist. But, perhaps it assumes that major league hitters will swing at bad pitches if they aren’t protected, or that major league pitchers will try harder to get a batter out if that batter is followed by a good pitcher, and it isn’t true?

    Who knows, we all know pitchers pitch around guys all the time. Of course, I guess that’s the opposite of lineup protection.

  105. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    …followed by a good batter….

  106. Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    Pretty irresponsible on Yankee Lohud’s part to put up a photo of the fan who ran on the field getting tackled for that kind of attention is just what they want. Every Toronto security guard who was on the field when the idiot ran on the field and ultimately after Swisher should be F-I-R-E-D fired. And

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    how typical of you to want to fire the Toronto security guards for something in Detroit. Not the same city, not the same country.

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    Oh shut the fu ck up you as shole. I meant Detroit. I am listening to the radio and heard of a shooting in a downtown mall in Toronto and typed Toronto thinking of the violence there, ok?

    And didn’t I tell you to stop replying to me awhile back? Yep.

  107. blake June 3rd, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Austin rocking a 1.081 OPS now

  108. mick June 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    Careful, Tar, there may be some prickly pesonalities engaged in this crazy talk.

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    You’d have been closer to the facts if you left off the “LY”.
    ==================================================
    From an expert.

  109. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    Oh yeah, what if Cano stops hitting .300+? Then the Yanks would have another A-Rod i.e. another albatross contract.

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    Oh, yeah? what if he doesn’t stop hitting .300+?

  110. Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    GreenBeret7

    Here’s the link to the story about the Toronto shooting:

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2.....o-suspect/

  111. rr212 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    You will be less angry if you take the trip to Bustleton to enjoy the greatness that is Steve’s Prince of Steaks. I would not kid about such a thing. This is something that would unite jurors #3 and #8, I am quite certain.
    —-
    :)

    Nick, I’ve had it and it is delicious. I live in center city and take advantage of the food here as much as I can. Philly pizza is not quite that good, but there is a place (Iannelli’s Bakery) in the Italian Market that has a great tomato pie. My favorite (vice) to eat is George’s Roast Pork. Sometimes w/ brocc rabe, sometimes w/o. Depends on how I’m feeling that particular day.

  112. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Oh shut the fu ck up you as shole. I meant Detroit. I am listening to the radio and heard of a shooting in a downtown mall in Toronto and typed Toronto thinking of the violence there, ok?

    And didn’t I tell you to stop replying to me awhile back? Yep.

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    OOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I’m listening the the Cards game, but, I wasn’t thinking about St. Louis.

  113. rr212 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Hello Trish. Thanks for the compliment. I also made myself laugh as I was posting.

  114. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    I think the point is that the guy was on the field so long, the Toronto security could’ve gotten there before the Detroit folks finally tackled him.

    There are those who believe that Jeff Kent’s MVP season is the greatest example of lineup protection (he batted in front of Barry Bonds) in modern history.

  115. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Yanks have the home run leaders in two leagues. Johnson in the Eastern League and Austin in the SALLY League.

  116. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Thanks Wave

    I guess you could say one’s OPS would be bumped by all the walks. But no doubt slugging and such would suffer.

    It’s just a basic part of the game from LL to MLB. You just don’t let the best hitter hurt you.

    It why the Sox with Manny and Papi were so lethal for so long. They had a way to combat it.

  117. Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    Oh yeah, what if Cano stops hitting .300+? Then the Yanks would have another A-Rod i.e. another albatross contract.

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    Oh, yeah? what if he doesn’t stop hitting .300+?
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    I still don’t give him prime Jeter or A-Rod years or money.

    See A-Rod at age 32 and 2010-fiirst part of 2011 Jeter.

    The dude is a 2B who’ll be 31 after next year. Re-read the part about never hit 30 or more HR in a season, he’s driven in 100+ runs in a season only twice, and he has a career .347 OBP. If he stops hitting .300+, he’s an older version of 2001 Alfonso Soriano with slightly better OBP x number of years he gets.

  118. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    “There are those who believe that Jeff Kent’s MVP season is the greatest example of lineup protection (he batted in front of Barry Bonds) in modern history.”

    Sure, but how do you explain Bonds? No don’t go there, I’m talking lineup protection thank you. Who protected Bonds?

  119. Jerkface June 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Nick they get a month of rehab time using the dl so its unlikely tthey option. It was the most appealing but least likely option out of spring. The yankees generally don’t do cold blooded moves like that so we can’t xount on it.

  120. Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Oh shut the fu ck up you as shole. I meant Detroit. I am listening to the radio and heard of a shooting in a downtown mall in Toronto and typed Toronto thinking of the violence there, ok?

    And didn’t I tell you to stop replying to me awhile back? Yep.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I’m listening the the Cards game, but, I wasn’t thinking about St. Louis.

    ———————————-

    Good for you you little punk with a big bad handle. Violence is quite more jarring than a baseball game. You should know, right Jarhead?

  121. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    And Nick brings up a very good example, of the opposite. The player in front of the best hitter getting fat pitches to hit. Guess that doesn’t exist either.

  122. Duh Innings June 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Yanks have the home run leaders in two leagues. Johnson in the Eastern League and Austin in the SALLY League.

    ——————————

    You should know about Sallys being one of them.

    BTW when I say see A-Rod at age 32, I say look how well he produced at that age and how he’s a shell of that now and has been since last year.

    When I say look at Jeter 2010-first part of last year, it’s not a stretch to say Cano could lose it at that age or sooner considering Jeter is a better hitter and player.

  123. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    “And Nick brings up a very good example, of the opposite. The player in front of the best hitter getting fat pitches to hit. Guess that doesn’t exist either.”

    That sounds reasonable. But there’s always the other side of the coin. If you were a pitcher, wouldn’t you try extra hard to get the batter in front of Bonds out?

  124. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    “But there’s always the other side of the coin. If you were a pitcher, wouldn’t you try extra hard to get the batter in front of Bonds out?”

    I would try extra hard to keep him off the bases. No walks, better pitches seen.

  125. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    “I would try extra hard to keep him off the bases. No walks, better pitches seen.”

    I’d try to throw my best pitches, not fatter ones. But Kent certainly had a good year.

  126. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Kent had a hell of a career, period. It wasn’t all because of Bonds’ presence in the line-up.

  127. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    “I’d try to throw my best pitches, not fatter ones. But Kent certainly had a good year.”

    3-2 count to Kent what do you throw him?

    3-2 count to Bonds?

  128. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    “Sure, but how do you explain Bonds? No don’t go there, I’m talking lineup protection thank you. Who protected Bonds?”

    Are you telling me I can’t answer with Victor Conte??? I don’t know who got the majority of at-bats behind Bonds that year, maybe Ellis Burks? I’m going to say that it wasn’t Marvin Benard.

    Also, I think at some times that season it was Bonds batting 3rd and Kent batting 4th. Also, Bonds should’ve been the MVP, but now I’m getting off-topic.

    “Nick they get a month of rehab time using the dl so its unlikely tthey option. It was the most appealing but least likely option out of spring. The yankees generally don’t do cold blooded moves like that so we can’t xount on it.”

    Thanks, Jerkface. It would be cold-blooded to do it just to gain the extra year if they thought Pineda was good to go, but it’s possible that Dr. Schilling’s prognosis is a little too rosy and maybe Pineda won’t really be ready by April. And I would think — and hope — that they would want to get a pretty good # of innings under his belt before he’s pitching for the big club. So maybe it would be cold-blooded, but maybe it could be practical too? I’m just looking for a little silver lining to this, or maybe just less of a gray cloud.

  129. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    By the way, this confrontation between Eric Gagne and Barry Bonds may be one of the greatest of the era:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPfddHBGx9Q

  130. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Wait a minute.

    Bonds batter THIRD. Kent batted FOURTH. Kent protected Bonds! That explains Bonds.

    Guys like Ellis Burks and JT Snow protected Kent.

    Wait a minute…

  131. Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    “Wait a minute…”

    Oh a Wise guy hey!!! Why I oughta. :D

    Have a good night everyone.

  132. Wave Your Hat June 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    I’m outta here too. Night all.

  133. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Maybe I got an important detail wrong in my example of lineup protection, but the important things is that we all went through this experience together.

  134. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Good for you you little punk with a big bad handle. Violence is quite more jarring than a baseball game. You should know, right Jarhead?

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    Oh, my. You really got me on that one. That’s the best you’ve got to try insulting me?

    For your information, a “Jarhead” is a Marine. Green Berets are US Army Special Forces.

    You are well named, DUH! You seem to be a Homer Simpson sort of cartoon..

  135. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Tar June 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 pm
    “I’d try to throw my best pitches, not fatter ones. But Kent certainly had a good year.”

    3-2 count to Kent what do you throw him?

    3-2 count to Bonds?

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    walk ‘em all and let the manager figure it out.

  136. Jerkface June 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Nick I would hope going forward thry do the smart thing, he has all his options so it is a… optioh but with the big trade they would use option as a last recourse. I would have optioned him this year then minor league dled him. The union woulda faught though

  137. Nick in SF June 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Too hard to even speculate, I guess, but every discussion of Pineda is going to be rife with speculation for the next 8-11 months or so. Sigh. Heal well, young Pineda.

  138. Triple Short of a Cycle June 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Great episode of Mad Men. RIP Layne

  139. Triple Short of a Cycle June 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Cano could be traded for a package built around Trout or Harper. Which one would you go for?

  140. UnKnown June 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Very impressed by the 9 game roadie. Calendar says June. That usually means the Yankees get hot. They always heat up with the summer as many other teams die in the scorching heat.

    Game Balls to Hughes must be the best game he has ever pitched as a Yankee and Jeter for setting the tone on the very first pitch of the game.

    I like how they have been making a habit of getting huge wins before off days. That’s 3 in a row now. Sweeeeet!!.

  141. harper June 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Those teams wouldn’t trade Harper or Trout straight up for Cano. They would be crazy to do it !

  142. Best To Ever Do It June 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    They wouldn’t trade those guys for Cano +

  143. austinmac June 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Triple,

    Yes, great episode. Is Peggy gone too?

  144. Triple Short of a Cycle June 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Yes, great episode. Is Peggy gone too?

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    Not in the same way Layne is but I think she will be back next season iin some capacity

  145. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    As long as there is a reasonable set of options for Pineda’s return to being an above average starting pitcher again next season (or even the one after that), the Yankees would have to be pretty happy given where the situation is right now.

  146. Wang IS Taiwan June 4th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    Cano did not benefit from the Montero trade.

    Seattle actually walked Cano with the bases loaded because they figured it was worth it to give up a run and face Teixeira instead of just pitching to Cano.

    Cano was also pitched around to get to Alex. These claims that protection is a myth is the real myth. Cano has been getting crappier pitches and that has not work well with a hitter who tends to be aggressive. The solution was to keep Montero, and have him take over the cleanup spot gradually. Now the solution is to have NEITHER in the lineup?

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Great post, JAP!

  147. UnKnown June 4th, 2012 at 2:00 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....e=youtu.be

    ———-

    A little clip of Hughes as a 19 or 20 year old throwing to Omir Santos the the Tigers. Filthy change up at the :20 mark in the video.

  148. clarko June 4th, 2012 at 2:23 am

    Alex Belth likes to write about great pieces of writing on his blog. Well, he should write about Chad Jennings because, well, this is da** good reporting. Another great read, thank you Mr. Jennings.
    k

  149. blake June 4th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Heading back to the stadium…..want 2 of 3 against the Rays and then time to beat up on the NL…..1st place within two weeks!

  150. raymagnetic June 4th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    No way Cano should make twice what Pedroia makes. No effin way.

    If that’s what it takes to sign him then I pray they let him walk.

    No more than 14 per if I’m cashman

  151. blake June 4th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    “No more than 14 per if I’m cashman”

    The Sox signed Pedroia to an extension early…..they got a good deal…..no.say youre signing Cano for 14 million …..youll have to give him his money ……20+ a year….what you try and keep down is the years…..if he reaches free agency theyll have to pay too much for too long.

  152. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Good morning-

    Shields vs Pettitte
    Cobb vs Nova
    Price vs Sabathia

    Shields and Cobb both hit hard their last outings vs White Sox,
    Yankees can take all three, but still must do better with RISP. 1 for 11 yesterday.

    As far as the budget goes, at the very least the Yankees wll be under the $189M mark, @ a 50% tax rate, for 2014, which will set the rate in 2015 back to 17.5%.

    I think the Yankees will find a creative way to sign Cano and even Granderson.

  153. blake June 4th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Draft tomorrow and the Yanks actually have a first round pick this year…….time to find those diamonds in the rough.

  154. MTU June 4th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Good morning gentlemen.

    Looks like the SP is beginning to round into form.

    The Yankees have moved up about 5 places or so in the last little while.

    They are middle of the pack in the AL and rising towards the top.

    Remember the cream always rises to the top.

    ;)

  155. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    The Astros have 1st pick for the 1st time since 1992 when they selected Phil Nevin, one of 5 teams to pass on Derek Jeter.

    Look at this 1st round list. Not one of these other players are still playing. Some names I don’t recognize at all:

    http://www.mymlbdraft.com/1992

  156. MTU June 4th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    YT-

    Illustrates that drafting and developing players is far from an exact science.

    Long and difficult road between draft day and the ML’s.

  157. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Good morning MTU and Blake and Raymagnetic-

    I missed the middle innings yesterday, but watching Phil, he was definitely a “smarter” and better pitcher yesterday. He mixed up his pitches in the early going then relied on locating his fastball with movement, to go the distance. He had, I believe it was reported yesterday, something like 15 curveballs, 5 Cu’s. 1 cutter, and the rest fastballs.

  158. MTU June 4th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    After yesterday I’d say Phil Hughes has something to “crow” about.

    Take a look :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Jun42012?authkey=Gv1sRgCM68sIjwnrfcCQ#

    Great job Phil.

    :)

  159. blake June 4th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Morning trader …..nice MTU.

    Hughes located his fastball…..pitched inside…..and had a useful breaking ball yesterday…..that was the difference.

  160. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU-

    The pitching has gotten better, but while the team has hit 80 homers, tops in the league, the pitching has given up 69 dingers, 2nd worse to the Twins 71, in the AL.

    The Yankees have also slid down in the pack in runs scored amongst AL teams at 249, which is 12 runs above the AL league average.

    While the starting pitching is improving the relief staff is starting to show some wear and tear and flaws. Stll believe the Yankees should add another bullpen arm now as Robertson won’t be back till mid June at the earliest, and recovering from oblique injuries is tricky, as pitchers can have a recurrence.

  161. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    MTU-

    Definitely terrific photos to crow about also. The 3rd one from the left-is that the rock formation, I often see in commercials where a female climber is standing on top?

  162. MTU June 4th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    YT-

    Yeah. Too many Homers. Hughes has given up at least one in every one of his starts.

    Nova needs to tighten it up. I have confidence he will. It’s all about command with him. Once he gets it going he’s deadly.

    Overall the SP is looking better lately.

    Robertson should not be rushed back as you are correct. Oblique injuries are
    tricky.

    In general, the BP is the least of my concerns. They have plenty of talent there.

    Not happy with the way Phelps is being used. Too much downtime.

    Aardsma and D-Rob could make a huge difference.

  163. MTU June 4th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    YT-

    Nope. That one is from Fisher Towers near Canyonlands NP.

    I’ve been there and have taken photos of climbers doing there thing.

    Pretty amazing.

    The one in the current set of photos is Bryce Canyon NP.

    I call that shot “Snoopy”.

    :)

  164. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    CC 10 homers , 11 starts
    Kuroda 11 homers, 11 starts
    Hughes 13 homers, 11 starts
    Pettitte 6 homers, 4 starts
    Nova 13 homers, 10 starts

    Needs improvement. Any idea how many of the overall 69 homers the pitching staff has yielded , have been solo shots?

  165. tomingeorgia June 4th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Hello, everybody,
    Still basking in a rosy glow from Phil’s outing yesterday, and hopeful of more to come. Who are the Yankees going to draft tonight?

  166. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Not happy with the way Phelps is being used. Too much downtime.
    —————————————
    I wish they would use Phelps more in key situation, BAA is .206 vs righties, vs Eppley’s .250

  167. MTU June 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Mister Tom-

    The best available.

    That’s Yankee philosophy.

    You target a specific player and sometimes you get burned.

    ;)

  168. MTU June 4th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    YT-

    Seems like Phelps is getting “Noesied” to me.

    I’m sure Phelps would still rather be in the bigs though.

    I think he has a world of potential. I like a lot of things about him.

    More valuable than a lot of people think IMO.

  169. MTU June 4th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Dog walk time.

    Later.

  170. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Tom-

    Good morning. Hope you are feeling better.

    This site I attached has the Yankees picking DJ Davis, a HS outfielder, bats from the left side. You can click on his name and watch some short video of his swing.

    http://www.mymlbdraft.com/MLB-Mock-Draft-2012

  171. tomingeorgia June 4th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    I know, Mister MTU, but who’s that going to be? Guess how many jelly beans in the jug.

  172. tomingeorgia June 4th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    YT,
    I think it’s a crapshoot, but there will be somebody good around, I guess. You’ve got to do it, but betting a fortune on an 18-year-old kid is too scary for me, I guess.

  173. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    The site also has the 2012 MLB slotted values.

    http://www.mymlbdraft.com/2012.....lot-values

  174. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Maybe Chad will have some more info on the draft today.

  175. randy l. June 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    the fact hughes has only two complete games in his pro career is alarming. how could that be?

    that’s a very weird fact. it means he has never been in really good starting shape because the only way a pitcher can develop stamina is to throw. hughes has never gone deep in games. that’s just weird.

    it would be like a marathon runner never training above 10 miles and then expecting to be able to run 26 miles when the marathon day comes.

    most of hughes pitching pitching experience takes place in the first few innings. he rarely ever sees the 7th , 8th, or 9th. i would say that he was pitching with a very different feeling in the last three innings yesterday.

    this has to help him tremendously. his body must be feeling things it hasn’t felt in a very long while. he finally went deep in a game. but who’s fault is this? isn’t it the yankees? isn’t this a major problem with rushing a pitcher?

    how can you leave a guy to go deep in games and finish them sometimes if you don’t allow him to stay in there sometimes and get hammered ? the yankees can’t do that in new york. they can in scranton.

    i have no idea how deep in games the two B’s are going. if the yankees are turning the into 4-5 inning pitchers like they trained hughes, they are messing up.

    pitchers have to learn how to pitch when they are drained. the only way to do that is to push them to their limits. they need to go deep in games. if a pitcher is too unhealthy to do it, this should tell the yankees and the pitcher he needs a different line of work rather than being a starter.

    actually the yankees need to start thinking more of their starters as finishers and train them as such.
    in a way making pitchers go deep is stress testing them. what god are they anyway if they have to be babied all the time?

    i understand that a pitcher needs to be brought along slowly when they are injured or not in shape , but they can’t be left in this unfinished state forever. at some point they need to be stretched out for a full nine innings or they need to be removed to relief pitching.

    so i say stress test them and get a pitcher or move on and don’t waste time and resources developing a guy who is not developable .

    good for girardi, rothschild, hughes that they pushed trough a wall yesterday.

  176. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    New Post———>

  177. tomingeorgia June 4th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Do different teams use different ways of ranking prospects in the draft? My way would be to pick out the top fifty or sixty, according to skills and team need. At the thirtieth slot, take the best one left. Is that how they do it?

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