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Pregame notes: “Derek says we probably won’t score again”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jun 03, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Surrounded by reporters just outside the Yankees clubhouse, hitting coach Kevin Long was giving the usual answers to the usual questions about the Yankees inability to hit with runners in scoring position. Then Derek Jeter walked by, saw the crowd and chimed in.

“Kevin, what is wrong with our offensive woes?” Jeter asked.

As you might expect, there was a lot of laughter. Then Jeter walked back by and had this exchange with Long.

Jeter: “Will we score again this year?”
Long: “What do you think, Derek?”
Jeter: “Probably not.”
Long: (turning back to the reporters) “Derek says we probably won’t score again. He’s our captain.”

At this point, the Yankees really have no answers. They’ve faced the same problem for weeks now, and even when they’ve seemed to get out of it here and there, it’s always returned. Long said all of the things you’d expect — he believes in his guys, the at-bats have been good, there’s nothing mechanical causing this problem, and he expects things to turn around.

“They’re asked about it every day,” Joe Girardi said. “Sometimes I think, the more you focus on it, the worse it is. Eventually it’s going to change. I really believe that. Our hitters have been too productive over the years and have been in the situation too many times for it not to change.”

• Girardi said he hasn’t heard from the league about last night’s run-in with Bob Davidson. Long refused to comment on the situation. “Just wait until the umpire’s report comes out and we’ll go from there,” Long said. “There’s really nothing to say until it comes out. Nothing good can come out of it, for me.”

• Girardi said he was wrong when he said Dave Robertson threw a bullpen yesterday. Turns out, Robertson’s bullpen will happen today.

• Brett Gardner might take batting practice on the field today — Girardi said he wasn’t sure when exactly that would happen — and he said it’s still possible Gardner will be back by the weekend. Gardner was actually supposed to play the outfield in extended spring training games Friday and Saturday, but they scratched that because of rain. Girardi said Gardner will need at least two or three minor league games before coming off the disabled list.

• Alex Rodriguez was hit by a pitch in the elbow last night but he’s back in the lineup today. “I’m assuming he’s OK,” Girardi said. “I have not seen him today. If I have to change it, I’ll change it.”

• Girardi said he hasn’t seen a replay of his over-the-top antics last night. “I don’t need to watch myself,” he said. “I usually have enough calls from my family.”

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82 Responses to “Pregame notes: “Derek says we probably won’t score again””

  1. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm

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  2. tucker June 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Im sure they knew the league would continue to try and hamper them…..but I doubt they realized the union would fold as bad as they did…

    Xxxxxxx

    That is what surprised me most about the new CBA. Doesn’t seem like the union fought hard for players continual upward salary march.

    Frankly, it is reminiscent of the early 90s when owners colluded to keep players’ salaries down. Perhaps the owners employed some real hardball tactics about the future of players’ salaries post-financial crisis. I don’t see the next great wave of baseball revenue (most teams have cable deals) that will sustain the rate of growth of players salaries.

    Free agency is not nearly as robust as it once was. Nearly all the best position players are signing extensions with their teams rather than hit the market.

  3. RadioKev June 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    On what organizations rival the Yankees:

    RadioKev June 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    And STL, I’d put them on there too Yankee21.
    Probably not the Angels or Rays. Rays just have that financial hurdle that might always restrict them. Angels? Eh. We’ll see. The young guys look great, but we know Pujols is a disaster waiting to happen.

  4. Cashman needs to go June 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    re: kevin long…

    keep joking a$$hole..
    this team has sunk to new levels on your watch mister hitting coach..

    it won’t be as funny once your incompetent a$$ gets fired in a month if this anemic display of ineptitude continues…

    unfortunately thats the problem with having an all of a sudden cheap owner – he’d rather keep the high salaried coaches than fire them (and have to hire someone else) in an effort to show the team he’s not happy with the product on the field..

    and don’t think long and rothschild (and to an extent girardi) know this…hence the jokes..

  5. Dean Winters June 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    really tired of hearing he is one of the best hitters in the game. bs

    ————————–

    How is it bs when he is one of the best hitters in the game. He hasn’t been great this yr no doubt about it but ppl are taking this season and making it seem like it’s the norm.

  6. luis June 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    luis June 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Hi guys,

    I have my computer now.

    Rich, Dean, Blake and Randy,

    I think we are in agreement that we are heading to a rebuilding phase. I wasn’t sold on trading Cano, since i thought that in about three years time, he would still be in his prime and would guide the new crop of Yankees. But as time has passed, i am beginning to think that it is probably for the best to trade him and get a bunch of talent in return. It would probably shorten the downward period that lies ahead. It pains me to recognize this reality.

    Blake,

    I know you are cutting Cashman some slack. But i think that he has made the wrong moves. And if rumors are to be believed, he hasn’t learned from his mistakes ( pursuing Jackson for example ). I don’t think he is the man to lead the team through a rebuilding phase. He is a poor evaluator of his own talent and the team needs, as his most recent moves showed. II don’t necesarilly want him out of the organization, but i certainly don’t want him at the helm.

    Austinmac,

    I am no fan of Girardi, but i have to agree that at this point he has little to do with the team’s results.

  7. RadioKev June 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    It’s weeks like this that make me wish this board had downvotes and facebook logins. Some of this stuff is unbearable.

  8. rm June 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    yankee21 June 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    rm, what was Martin’s contribution to that Fangraph’s defensive rating?

    It was essentially all Martin. Stewey was actuall slightly negative (He had a bunch of passed balls in onegame). Defensive stats are suspect at best but I guess its all we’ve got to go by.

  9. austinmac June 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    RadioKev,

    If Soler is a top five player in a draft and the Yankees haven’t had a top five draftee since Brian Taylor, it seems to me the perfect time to take a risk. It is a risk without question. Is it wrong for the Yankees, with the most money, to take a gamble. A successful one could bring what the fan base loves the most and that is a young upcoming player. A lot of money to be made.

  10. Dean Winters June 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Trading Cano might make sense because of the return they would get but it’s not in their nature to do that. Heck they didn’t even entertain the thought of being sellers at the 08 deadline when it was clear the team wasn’t going to make it to the PS.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Jeter: “Will we score again this year?”
    Long: “What do you think, Derek?”
    Jeter: “Probably not.”
    Long: (turning back to the reporters) “Derek says we probably won’t score again. He’s our captain.”

    :)

    Perspective, perspective, perspective.

    Even I needed that today because it is a puzzle to which only the Yankee players have the answer.

    And waiting it out can be frustrating – to them and to fans.

  12. Dean Winters June 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    And even though a majority want Martin gone I wouldn’t be surprised if he is brought back next yr. The biggest change on the 13 team will probably be RF.

  13. austinmac June 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I hope they score today against Verlander. It is amazing how he throws 92 in the first couple innings and 99 in the last couple. He has the extra heat just waiting for a need. Home runs today guys as he throws much harder when men are on base.

  14. mick June 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Jeter: “Will we score again this year?”
    Long: “What do you think, Derek?”
    Jeter: “Probably not.”
    Long: (turning back to the reporters) “Derek says we probably won’t score again. He’s our captain.”
    ====================
    Maybe we will be able to point back to this convo and call it our turning point. Who knows?
    The Capt. being the Capt. in his subtle way could fire them up.

  15. Dean Winters June 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I think they will be able to hit Verlander but the question is can Hughes keep the Tigers down.

  16. Bret The Hitman June 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Long is a smug mofo

  17. tucker June 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I don’t think the Yanks’ business model allows them to rebuild. They sell success — from the constant references to championships, the Yes pregame victory music, etc. How do they sell a rebuilding phase to the fanbase? They can’t rebuild and expect people to tune in on Yes at the same rate or pack the Stadium.

    They are going to have to figure it out.

  18. RadioKev June 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Austinmac,

    Yeah, I generally agree. Personally I think it comes down to the type of contract he’ll get. Does the Soler party expect a major league contract? Will someone offer? These markets get a little crazy, and I think there is benefit to sticking to your guns.

  19. mick June 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Jeter-Cano-Alex-Grandy-Tex-Ibanez-Swisher-Martin-Gardy, eventually…

  20. Bret The Hitman June 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    A lineup of hero ball hitters, disappearing acts with RISP and this supposed professional responds with hyperbole.

    FIRE LONG

  21. Bret The Hitman June 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    NOBODY is saying they won’t score again. That’s not the issue. Long is deflected from the real issue which is situational hitting and fundamentally sound approach to hitting with RISP.

    Long must be feeling it.

  22. austinmac June 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    I suspect the Yankees will go for a young pitcher in the draft since most of their young prospects are hitters. Plus, as you all know, you can never have enough pitching.:)

  23. bruceb June 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Good to see the Yankees’ esteemed hitting coach is making light of their problems. Let’s see whether he is still laughing after today’s game. Hughes to beat Verlander? Funnier things have happened but right now, it looks like a long shot.

  24. austinmac June 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I do like the Cano hitting second idea. It is all worth a shot to switch him with Granderson. Thumbs up to whoever said it first.

  25. Dean Winters June 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    They are going to have to figure it out.

    ——————————————

    This is where Cashman gets called out. His plan was to remain competitive but rebuild on the fly because a real rebuild phase would cause the fan base to riot. If there were more options in the minors things wouldn’t seem as bad as it is.

  26. Bret The Hitman June 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    When they fire Kevin Long, he will never work as a hitting coach in MLB ever again. Nobody will want him.

  27. mick June 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Joe is a control freak and being that he didn’t say it 1st…I did….he won’t do it.

  28. luis June 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Dean,

    At this point, Martin is a superior BUC, nothing more. I don’t think they bring him back, unless he takes a huge pay cut and is willing to sign for 1 year. Stewart can pretty much do what Martin does for a fraction of the cost.

    About Cano, I hate to even think about this possibility. But given the new CBA ( hard slotting draft, limitations on IFA), the soft cap of 189 mil, current roster construction ( too many long term contracts, most of them very bad ones) and talent availability in the farm. I find it hard to rebuild and at the same time stay competitive, unless you can ditch Tex and Arod contracts ( mission impossible). This is all academic, since i don’t think they are going to do it. I don’t see them trying to sell this to the fan base. In turn, this might prolong the rebuilding process.

  29. mick June 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    . His plan was to remain competitive but rebuild on the fly because a real rebuild phase would cause the fan base to riot.
    =================
    Better a quiet riot. Stay home.

  30. Yank1 June 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Long has done wonders with Teix… not like his OPS has dropped each of the last 3 years and he has become awful vs. RHP or anything…

    And it’s not like A-Rod’s OPS declined each of the last 5 years… or Jeter looked toast UNTIL he went down to Tampa to work with another hitting instructor to get his swing back.

  31. Dean Winters June 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I agree Stewart can do what Martin does but they really love Martin. He probably re-signs for 1 yr with a team option for the second. They’ll have him work with Long in the winter and tell everyone he’s fixed. :(

    It might be a prolonged rebuilding process. Seeing how the Yankees are they would rather be the team they are now then completely rebuild. With the second wild card they would have to be really bad to be out of it.

  32. austinmac June 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Mick,

    My thumbs up to you. I agree Girardi probably won’t consider it.

  33. randy l. June 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    that’s funny what derek said, but jeter is oblivious to the big picture with the yankees. he doesn’t even think about five years from now. he is like a shark moving forward playing baseball . he sees the ball. he hits the ball. he fields the ball . he throws the ball. that’s it. ball player. great ball player.

    but would he do anything different if the team were in last or first?

    i don’t think so. he derek jeter. he does his thing.

    the problem is the yankees are in a situation that’s bigger than derek jeter. unless they do something drastic, they will likely decline further than they have already. there is little showing this ship turn around right now.

    the yankees really have been brought back to the pack. the issue isn’t an early season hitting slump. the issue is where is this team going?

    personally i’ve already decided that the team is screwed if they don’t make some radical changes. i’m an early adopter. i don’t watch as much this year and i don’t expect as much. this becomes a problem as more ad more fans start thinking this way.

    the yankees can be patient and complacent (and lazy) and just keep on this path, but i think sooner or later they’ll realize it’s time for a shakeup.

    do it now or do it later. but they’ll be doing it.

  34. yankee21 June 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Kevin Long does not acquire the players. He does work with them. He has had great results with guys like Granderson and he does seem to work well with Arod., and Raul. Other guys like Jeter and TEX don’t really talk much about him.

    I don’t think his coaching is the root of their problems though.

    It is more about organizational philosophy and the typical BS coming from their manager that I’d rather overhaul/extract.

  35. Bret The Hitman June 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    I don’t care how you frame it or who you blame or how you define the problem, what Long said was disrespectful to the fans who watch them fail night in night out with RISP. He sounds like a guy who has a little too much job security. He is abrasive and clueless.

  36. randy l. June 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    “And even though a majority want Martin gone I wouldn’t be surprised if he is brought back next yr.”

    martin needs to be gone.

    that’s just a given.

    they can suck at catcher a whole lot cheaper than what martin is sucking for.

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