i don’t pay much attention to any one game for making long term projections, and i thought last night’s game was a very good baseball game. the ending sucked, but a good game.
…however , my baseball ouija board tells me the yankees have been brought back towards league average. even at the best of times in baseball the good teams only win a few games above.500 a month.
i have lowered my expectations for the yankees for the next 3-5 years because i see no way around the 189 figure with so much money going to aging declining players.
what i’m looking for rather than baseball excellence in the is a movement towards being excellent again.
the tree needs to be pruned for new growth. the question is how are they going to do that?
if they do nothing and just plug along they’ll be really mediocre as the downward spiral will continue.
but if they cut off some dead wood so they can put some energy into new players maybe they’ll be excellent again in 3-5 years.
if they keep on the path they are on , it’ll be a decade of patching up things and really going nowhere. they need to make some hard decisions and think big picture and make some really good long range strategic decisions.
Does anybody know what Dickerson’s injury is? He has been in the AAA DL since early April it would be nice if he became an option. We need to stop playing Ibanez in the OF so much but without Gardner and Dickerson injured and Wise innefective there aren’t many better options.
Girardi does agreat job with the pen. The line up is the same one virtually every manager would use. Hitting AROD second and Granderson fourth is going to change the RISP numbers? Look at the batting averages(they do count when runners are in scoring position). They stink that’s the manager’s fault?
I’d love to hear Girardi say “we have too many dead spots in our lineup” like Jim Leyland said about his team. Instead we have Pa Ingalls as our manager protecting these guys like they’d even shed a tear if Cashman canned him tomorrow and replaced him with Pena.
At some point, Girardi will realize he’s managing for his life here. There is too much talent, too much payroll and too much riding on the potential post season revenue to watch this team go about their business like this.
You look at the numbers and you realize that if they don’t have their softball games once every 7-10 games where they put 9-15 runs, they’d be among the league’s worst offenses.
That 9th inning was a disgrace last night and as a fan I was actually hoping Arod and Tex both got hit with pitches or walked since I knew there was no way they’d do something with their bats in that situation.
And Cano swinging early in the count for a guy who couldn’t find the plate?
But hey, let’s look at the back of everyone’s baseball cards and turn off the games and imagine a season where they do what they are supposed to do.
Watching this team is getting tedious this season.
Funny that I wrote something along those lines in the previous thread. I agree, they need to get younger and fast. That means dumping some current players for prospects. Are they going to do it? That remains to be seen. Because it would mean that Cashman whole strategy was wrong. I don’t see them acknowledging this.
I thought A-Rod’s problem would be health (maybe they are, only mor subtly), but I never understood Cashman somehow thinking that the had offense to trade. What has gone on to this point in the season is making that misguided view seem almost comical.
Why do you constantly believe Melky is available? If he goes free agent, he’s available. Right now, he’s the best hitter on the Giants and he’s going nowhere. The Giants are in 2nd place and 1 game out of the Wild Card. They are not trading him.
I’m well aware he’s not available right now. I’m thinking long-term construction of the lineup and adding 3 contact hitters long term. Right now, there are 2 real possibilities – DeJesus and Ichiro. I’d be shocked if Cashman added 1 contact hitter in-season. He has an aversion to high average guys and a craving for homer happy guys.
Cano’s problems wouldn’t be the issue they are if Tex and A-Rod weren’t declining. But it is becoming obvious, if it wasn’t already, that a very long term contract for Cano could become yet another contract that ultimately kills them.
Cano goes on a tear every year. When that happens, his style of play is more appreciated. We just have to hope it happens in the post season every year or else we are depending on Arod and Tex to bail us out.
It’s no about throwing anybody under the bus, it’s about shaking things up.
It’s about using your players in their optimal spots.
Why isn’t Granderson up 4th? He is their best power hitter.
Cano is struggling in power slots. Put him up 2nd.
He tried it with Tex. It seems to have worked.
You can always move them back.
It seems so obvious.
It obvious that Girardi and Cashman didn’t think that a certain bat fit in the lineup so he was traded. But the it’s funny how every year the bats under perform and the Yanks are looking for offense. With Martin hitting like a pitcher since last May, Arod and Jeter getting older and Tex showing how inconsistent he is I really don’t understand what in the world Cashman was thinking. Saying that he was trading from strength shows how he isn’t in touch with the roster and the issues that all of the age was going to bring. It seems like the same issue every year.
Cashman has always believed the team has plenty of offense. It does not and will decline further in the on-coming years. The problem, in my opinion, is the roster and not Girardi. Exactly what did you want in the 9th inning? For Girardi to don his fake mustache so he could tell someone to get a hit?
Girardi has done a good job with the low end guys in the pen. He has helped Wade and Logan have value when they never previously had any.
None of that matters when a team gets two walks and two hit batters in an inning an scores one run.
What’s with the Yanks Giving Pearce to the O’s, merely for “cash considerations”. Pearce is gonna go on the Orioles 25 Man Roster, and cash is going into Hal’s pocket. Absolutely NO WAY George woulda fortified a team in his own Division, merely to line his pockets. This team needs an owner that has winning as the top priority. Right now, it’s obvious the bottom line reigns supreme.
mick, you are asking questions that the GM should be asking Girardi? Is he? And if not, why not? And what is keeping Joe G from doing anything to shake this team up, is he in fact relying on the 3 run homer as his strategy?
You don’t need a circular lineup.
It’s not Martin’s fault this team is struggling.
It’s a team built on power, esp. lefty power at home.
If they win 50 games at home and split on the road, that’s 90 wins.
They do that in their sleep.
Shaking up the lineup might work, might not. Try something, it’s not an insult.
There is another very expensive contact hitter available – Joe Mauer the Twins cannot afford that contract and they are in rebuilding mode. It would mean abandoning the 189 MM$ luxury tax threshold but for the right price he is available and he would help this lineup
Girardi and Cashman will not show signs of panic. That would admit failure and might wake up Hal.
In the past Cash took orders from the Boss, now it is status quo, no harm no foul.
They feel they can win with what they have but have been proven wrong before in the playoffs.
Maybe the regular season is what they’re built for and we just have to accept it.
I’d watch the Soler signing carefully. There is a clear need in the organization for OF prospects in the upper echelon of their farm system and flat out there is a need to infuse the system with offensive talent regardless of the level they start out at. By all indications this is a guy who has talent and good upside. He is the kind of guy that NY rarely has a chance to sign in the regular draft and he is available only for money.
NY has the money and they have the need. So if NY is serious about putting a premium product on the field these are the kind of investments that should be made.
If he doesn’t get signed to me that shows me the owner has other priorities than investing in the product on the field and that is not something that gets me excited about the Yankees future.
A circular lineup predicates that every hitter is a threat. There is no relief in sight.
You need a catcher who can hit to accomplish that.
For now, we don’t have one, so you hit the catcher 8th or 9th and hope your real hitters come through.
With our RISP #’s what they are, it’s obvious they are not.
That’s where the problem lies, not whether Martin hits or not.
“the yankees seem like a deer in headlights with this new agreement.”
Im sure they knew the league would continue to try and hamper them…..but I doubt they realized the union would fold as bad as they did…..Cashman is in a tough spot really which is why I cut him SOME slack…..hes got a team that need some things and hes got an owner that wont let him operate the way he has in the past…..
Bret The Hitman June 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Mauer would have to be a 3 team trade where Teixeira goes somewhere else but Minny and agrees to waive his no trade clause to go to that 3rd team.
An impossibility in my mind.
I’m not sure why it has to be a 3 team trade with Tex going elsewhere. Mauer doesn’t havr to play 1st base at least not all the time he could become a Victor Martenez type DH/Catcher/1B combination and he may even be able to play a little outfield.
I think it is innevitable that a high revnue team like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers ot Angels will need to rescue Minn from that contract at some point.
It will howver require that the Yankee abandon any effort at lowering their payroll. I think that is the show stopper.
Talk about hitting with RISP, what was wrong with Matsui?
He’d be up 4th if he were here now.
Is it an insult to the others to put Ibanez up 4th or 5th ?
It would lengthen the lineup with swisher up 8th.
Grandy has 17 hrs and 33 rbi, bat him 4th, he has earned it.
Up 4th he would have 50 rbi.
Why does a younger bat hit BETTER with RISP? Why would you assume that? Our line up has been getting on base, converting those guys into runs has been the problem — it’s not as if our line up is old and feeble. I don’t think age should negatively affect “situational” hitting. The old adages suggest Vets should perform better in those situations.
Just a question in terms of starting catchers in the ML how does Martin stack up offensively since May 1 of 2011? Is he not a guy hitting less than .220 since then? 7 months of baseball.
Another question, where does Martin stack up in terms of PB, catcher’s ERA, CS% etc..
Overall, it would be hard to summarize him being much above an average defensive catcher, no? He hustles, he is fiery, he has “intangibles” but what are the results?
Last question, why does NY consider this guy a starting catcher when they look at these facts?
Whether this lineup isn’t circular enough isn’t the question.
It’s probably the most circular in the league when hitting.
That is the problem, they are not hitting.
Girardi feels they will hit eventually, so why change anything and admit defeat.
It would also break up his “circle of trust” and loyalty. It’s his philosophy and he’s sticking to it.
giradrdis problem is that he is too conservative.
look at what pena did yesterday, having them double steal.
girardi is not creative enough to try that.
he is a small ball mgr, with a station to station team.
not saying they should rely on small ball but at least shake things up once in a while.
he thinks that’s too gimmicky.
I said the same as you yesterday. The need for a young potentially strong bat and Soler can be had for just money. If they don’t go after him strongly, it will be a big sign the future will be very frugal.
So like pretty much in everything in life I think there is a gray area most of the times.
Saying that Girardi and Cash can do no wrong and they know all the right buttons to push. Along with that this team is a no doubt W.S. winner in October is a pretty tough and almost impossible sell.
Likewise, going crazy and saying that this team is the worst in everything they do is also an impossible sell. Especially considering that if the playoffs ended last night they would be tied with Cleveland to be in the playoffs as the last WC. And are still only 1.5 back in the toughest division in all of baseball. If they were as bad as some question this would not be the case.
Everyone has their own opinions and I doubt that those opinions are always 100% right no matter how you look at things.
I think this team still makes the playoffs and at that point 4 months from now I think the picture will be more clear as to how strong or weak this team really is.
By the way, I think The Rangers (obviously) and Braves are at Yankees level. Just my opinion.
It would be paying big time for a prospect. Looks like some scouts think he could be better than anyone in this draft class, but at the same time, that seems to be the comparison being made there. Obviously I’d love the Yanks to buy that type of talent, but it’s a big commitment.
And STL, I’d put them on there too Yankee21.
Probably not the Angels or Rays. Rays just have that financial hurdle that might always restrict them. Angels? Eh. We’ll see. The young guys look great, but we know Pujols is a disaster waiting to happen.
Im sure they knew the league would continue to try and hamper them…..but I doubt they realized the union would fold as bad as they did…
That is what surprised me most about the new CBA. Doesn’t seem like the union fought hard for players continual upward salary march.
Frankly, it is reminiscent of the early 90s when owners colluded to keep players’ salaries down. Perhaps the owners employed some real hardball tactics about the future of players’ salaries post-financial crisis. I don’t see the next great wave of baseball revenue (most teams have cable deals) that will sustain the rate of growth of players salaries.
Free agency is not nearly as robust as it once was. Nearly all the best position players are signing extensions with their teams rather than hit the market.
I think we are in agreement that we are heading to a rebuilding phase. I wasn’t sold on trading Cano, since i thought that in about three years time, he would still be in his prime and would guide the new crop of Yankees. But as time has passed, i am beginning to think that it is probably for the best to trade him and get a bunch of talent in return. It would probably shorten the downward period that lies ahead. It pains me to recognize this reality.
I know you are cutting Cashman some slack. But i think that he has made the wrong moves. And if rumors are to be believed, he hasn’t learned from his mistakes ( pursuing Jackson for example ). I don’t think he is the man to lead the team through a rebuilding phase. He is a poor evaluator of his own talent and the team needs, as his most recent moves showed. II don’t necesarilly want him out of the organization, but i certainly don’t want him at the helm.
I am no fan of Girardi, but i have to agree that at this point he has little to do with the team’s results.
“Free agency is not nearly as robust as it once was. Nearly all the best position players are signing extensions with their teams rather than hit the market.”
this is a trend that will likely stop at some point as teams fill up with long term contracts.
every time a small market team signs a young guy long term that ties them up and takes them out of future deals. take longoria and the rays for example. or mauer and the twins. small market teams can do one and maybe two big signings. eventually most teams will be filled up with a few big signings and then it’s a different market .
the question is will the yankees be ready for it when it comes or will they be still tied up in long term dead wood contracts?