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Yankees: Despite Santana, Subway Series lacks sizzle

Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Misc on Jun 08, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

All eyes will focus on Yankee Stadium tonight as the Mets and Yankees resume the Subway Series for the 16th consecutive year. The Yankees lead the all-time series 54-36, including a 49-35 mark in 84 regular season meetings.

The focus should prove especially sharp tonight with Johan Santana on the mound. He is scheduled to make his first start since tossing the Mets’ first no-hitter a week ago. Terry Collins pushed his ace back two days after the 134-pitch effort, putting Santana on six days’ rest tonight.

Whether it’s tonight or at any point this weekend, just remember this when you’re basking in the buzz: The Yankees aren’t about to join you. On the eve of tonight’s series opener, they said the rivalry has basically lost its luster for the players.

“It means more to the fans than it does to us,” said Andy Pettitte, who was there at the beginning in 1997. “To us, it’s another game. It’s another hitter standing in the batter’s box and you’re just trying to make good pitches to him to get him out. But you can no doubt feel the electricity in the air because the fans are so excited about it.”

Both teams enter the series six games over .500 and teetering on the brink of first place. The Yankees (31-25) sit a half-game behind Baltimore and Tampa in the AL East; the Mets (32-26) find themselves just 1 1/2 games behind Washington in the NL East. Despite prolonged DL stints by their starting shortstop, catcher and two-thirds of their outfield, plus a dreadful start by Ike Davis, the Mets have actually scored just eight fewer runs than the Yankees. (Yes, I know: They’ve played two more games.)

Joe Girardi expressed the most excitement about this weekend. He said he hasn’t watched the Mets much, but he’s followed their (relative) success simply because they are the other team in town.

The narratives are vastly different, but their situations mirror one another.

“You look at both divisions and they’re very similar,” Girardi said. “It seems like where you are in the division can change in three days dramatically. I think that makes it interesting, and they’ve played well.”

Despite the clubs sharing similar records, both Pettitte and Curtis Granderson thought the sheer volume of interleague games against the Mets has squeezed some juice from the Subway Series.

“It’s not as exciting as it has been in the past just because of the fact you’re playing six times,” Granderson said.

On Thursday, Pettitte remembered the energy of those first games in 1997. He also remembered when the rivalry peaked in the 2000 World Series. But he said the games have become “old hat” for the players. The Yankees still want to win, he said — much like they’d play to win on a random Tuesday night in Kansas City.

“Unfortunately, the older you are and the longer you do something, for us, as players, we really look at it like another game no matter how excited the fans get about it,” Pettitte said. “We want to win. These games are extremely important to us. We’re going to try to treat this with the same intensity we do every game.”

They also won’t alter their approach against Santana, even given the presumption that Collins won’t push his pitch count. The Mets called this “a normal start” for Santana, who threw his bullpen without issue on Tuesday, so the Yankees will treat it as such.

“He’s pitched extremely well,” Girardi said. “I think his last two outings have been shutouts. He’s throwing the ball well. He got a couple extra days rest because of the high pitch count.

“I don’t want our guys to change their approach. He may have no ill-effects of it. It may not bother him, so I think you have to keep what your approach is.”

 
 

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114 Responses to “Yankees: Despite Santana, Subway Series lacks sizzle”

  1. LGY June 8th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    CC has been the second best pitcher in the AL since the Yankees signed him.

    Don’t understand why so many Yankee fans can’t appreciate or understand how good he is.

  2. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Blake-

    Gardner in CF will be less costly than Granderson. I’d like to keep Granderson on a team friendly extension, but if you had to trade him at the deadline this year, what young corner outfielder might the Yankees be able to get??

  3. blake June 8th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    “Gardner in CF will be less costly than Granderson”

    sure….but even he is getting more expensive in arbitration and as he nears 30 will he lose a step? probably not for awhile but Gardner’s game is going to be drastically affected when he starts to lose his speed whenever that may be….players like Gardner don’t age very well especially when they have injuries issues continually…..I’m not saying they should trade him….but I would see what I could get just for options. As I said…..I love what he brings…..he makes the Yankees better…..but I do worry that 2 years from now he may not be what he is now either in on the field value or trade value.

  4. Cashmoney June 8th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    yeah little juice to the subway series.. maybe the luster has waned a tad. the lack of star powers might have something to with it. but I watch it though.

  5. blake June 8th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    “Don’t understand why so many Yankee fans can’t appreciate or understand how good he is.”

    In general folks don’t get how valuable 230+ quality innings are…..there are so few pitchers that can do that. On a given night there are pitchers that are better than CC….he’s not as dominant as say Felix can be or Verlander can be….but last night was about as many runs as you’ll ever see Sabathia give up……and he should have only given up 2 or 3 if his defense had made plays…..he virutally never gets hammered and is out after 3 innings and that’s so important for the pen….and just for giving his team a good chance every 5th day.

    CC is a stud….what the Yanks really could use is a guy beside him that has that dominant quality….a guy other teams fear and I guess thats what they were after with Pineda…..maybe it’ll still work out long term….we’ll see.

  6. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    It’s not uncommon for a Pitcher to have a big letdown after a no-no.

    Most recent example would be Phil Humber who got bombed in the game following his perfecto.

    Let’s hope Johan follows suit.

    ;)

  7. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Blake-

    Ever hear of Andy Pettitte ?

    I’d say most teams do not want to face him in big games.

    ;)

  8. 86w183 June 8th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Yanks have options on Granderson and Cano for 2013 and are almost certain to exercise them. I don’t see them ever being “sellers” at the trading deadline.

    I could see them moving one or both in the off-season prior to 2014 if that’s what it takes to get under $ 189 M. Hard to hit that number with four or five $ 20 M type players.

    So has Cory Wade’s magic run out? That’s 6 ER in his last 10 2/3

  9. Cashmoney June 8th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    In a very vague def … Power in it’s extremity strikes fear in opposing team Blake, be it pitching or hitting. have a good one, peeps.

  10. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Blake-

    If you trade Gardner during this season, let’s say at the deadline, the Yankees will need a corner outfielder in return. The Yankees couldn’t pry loose Justin Upton with just Gardner, but they might be able to pry him loose with Granderson.

    Of course, two years from now, if Gardner is still with the team, he might be a 4th OF’er!

  11. 86w183 June 8th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    I agree on CC as well.

    The man is a horse and I think he might not have given up more than one run last night if he had Gardner in LF.

  12. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    86-

    D-Rob is a key part of our pen.

    Everyone suffers a bit in his absence.

    Aardsma may help too if he stays healthy.

    Me. I think Wade is just hitting a rough patch.

    It happens. Especially w. relievers.

  13. Villa Nova-Ya June 8th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Gardner didn’t get hurt sliding into first base – and he’s never gotten hurt doing that. He’s gotten hurt sliding into second and this time he got hurt making a fantastic catch.

    It’s that type of aggressive play in the outfield that makes Gardner such a Catch-22. He’s a great defender, brings speed to the Yankees’ game and is like the little engine that could so much of the time. But he gets hurt. He’s spent parts of the last three seasons on the DL. I don’t know that you can build around him as your team’s CF. Granderson, on the other hand, has played every game and has been pretty much a stalwart out there. Dependable.

    I saw his stolen bases are down; I have to ask – has he been on first base with no one on second lately? If the situations are not there, you can’t steal.

  14. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Bronx Baseball Daily:
    Joba Chamberlain said on Twitter that he will throw a bullpen on Friday. That would be the first time he has thrown off a mound since last July. No word on if he’s running or not yet. We’ll have to wait and see how he feels after the bullpen, but he could be coming back much sooner than anybody expected.

  15. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    “It’s that type of aggressive play in the outfield that makes Gardner such a Catch-22. ”

    GGBG catches more than 22 in a season.

    :)

  16. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    YT-

    Chamberlain must be made from pretty good protoplasm to heal so quickly.

    ;)

  17. Villa Nova-Ya June 8th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    MTU-

    LOL!!!

    ***

    I think it’s pretty cool to think about the fact that the Yankees could be in a position to have a refreshened bullpen late in the season with Aardsma and Joba. Can’t believe Joba is even in the discussion! Amazing healing ability and drive.

  18. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    VN-

    They could be a part of the solution at some point.

    I agree. Joba’s recuperative powers are nothing short of amazing.

    Mitchell could also help if needed w his GB-inducing ability.

    Freddy will be gone soon.

  19. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    CC was dominant most of the game.
    1st inning-strikes out 2

    2nd inning, solid double by Upton, but a “dink” hit by Lobaton to score him. Strikes out 2

    3rd-two unearned runs

    4th-strikeout-single-single-double- strikeout- strikeout. Does Gardner make that catch in left?

    5th, 6th, and 7th- gives up one walk.

    He’s definitely an Ace, and with some solid defense and timely hitting by the Yankees, he should have won that game!

  20. austinmac June 8th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    MTU,

    Mitchell has been getting regularly bombed in AAA. Unfortunately, he is not an option at this point.

    I wonder when Aardsma will get into rehab games. And I do wonder about Wade. Of course, even when he gets people out I wonder how with his lack of stuff.

  21. 86w183 June 8th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    I would say Robertson, Joba and Aardsma is a fairly significant upgrade on Eppley, Wade and Garcia (or Rapada).

  22. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    saw his stolen bases are down; I have to ask – has he been on first base with no one on second lately? If the situations are not there, you can’t steal.
    ———————————-
    Villa-

    Good morning. Valid point, but I don’t know the answer to why Granderson only has 3 stolen bases this season. With Gardner out and Nunez in AAA, the only Yankee regular that seems to try and steal a base occasionaly is A-Rod.

  23. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Mac-

    Wade does it by pitching.

    Some guys do it as throwers.

    Mitchell may not be doing well at the moment but has the type of stuff to be very useful at some point.

    No idea on when Aardsma might be ready, or even how effective he might be.

    He had big time stuff before the TJ.

    D-Rob is the glue that helps hold that pen together.

    Glad he’ll be back soon.

  24. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    I would say Robertson, Joba and Aardsma is a fairly significant upgrade on Eppley, Wade and Garcia (or Rapada).
    ————————————————

    If the Yankees want to draw away from the pack, can they afford to wait until those three are healthy and ready to contribute 100%?

    Do they have someone to replace at least Garcia and Rapada now?

  25. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Much like Noesi I believe that Phelps is being wasted out in the Pen.

    I’d bet if you asked him if he’d rather be in the bigs in the Pen or starting in the Minors he’d say Bigs.

    For me that is not the point though.

    It’s about him getting regular work and staying sharp.

    When they make me Pitching coach that’s what I’m gonna recommend.

    :)

  26. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    15 interleague games now, 3 game series vs NL teams, 9 of which are away between tonight and the 24th[no DH]. It’s time for the batters to “step up.”

  27. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    MTU-

    Good morning. As pitching coach, what do you recommend for Garcia?

  28. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    YT-

    A disappearing act.

    ;)

  29. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    YT-

    Magic.

    He pulls himself out of a hat and finds himself in another location.

    :)

  30. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Gotta go soon.

    Dog walk time.

    YT. Check your inbox Dude.

    ;)

  31. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Only news I could find on Aardsma:

    David Aardsma tweeted: “for 3 days straight. Looks like I’ll be throwing my batting practice bullpen in the cage” #ifimlucky. Whatever that means.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....ba-aardsma

  32. MTU June 8th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    YT-

    You think that’s bad ?

    Try and find any additional info. on Pineda.

    :)

  33. blake June 8th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    They need to get Rapada off the roster….he’s walked more LH hitters than he’s struck out and he’s just not very good. Girardi uses him basically as a mop up LOOGY and that has virtually no value at all…..

  34. blake June 8th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    “Much like Noesi I believe that Phelps is being wasted out in the Pen.”

    he is now…..he wasn’t as much earlier in the year when the starters weren’t going deep. I don’t really like him pitching so infrequently….but it is what it is….

  35. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    MTU-

    The Dude thanks you!

  36. 86w183 June 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    I hope the first move after getting Robertson back is to send Phelps to Scranton and get him back starting. He’s too talented and too young to be stuck in his current role.

  37. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Blake-

    Eppley isn’t exactly doing the job either. Lefties hitting >.300.

    OK. Yankees dump Garcia or trade him on the 15th for a low minor leaguer. Rapada is released and Eppley is sent down in this scenario: The Yankees want to go with minor leaguers until they get back Robertson, Aardsma and Joba.

    Who do you promote from the minors and why? Need 3 relievers.

  38. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    86w183 and Blake-

    If you send Phelps down, cut Rapada and Garcia, and send down Eppley- who is coming up? Whelan, Whitley, Igarasha. Who?

  39. blake June 8th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    “Who do you promote from the minors and why? Need 3 relievers.”

    Mitchell would be one of them….I think thats probably his future anyway and I’d like to start working him in to a swing man role…guy to come in a get a double play ball etc….not sure on the other 2….

  40. blake June 8th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    yea I forgot about Igarahsa….I’m assuming they’ll bring him up at some point.

  41. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Igarasha is up now with Garcia out for a family funeral.

  42. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Anyone know anything about lefty Juan Cedeno? Could he be a possible replacement now for Rapada that would offer an upgrade?

    Current stats:

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=434667

  43. RS June 8th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Santana is due for an iffy start with or without the no-hitter simply because he hasn’t given up a run in 18+ innings. And then it’s common for guys to have a bad start coming off a no-hitter. Add in that he threw a career high number of pitches in his last start AND he doesn’t have good numbers at YS, and I’m actually expecting the offense to put up a good showing.

    Kuroda is kind of a mystery as he alternates dominant outings with getting shelled, and I really don’t know what to make of the Mets offense even though the numbers are good.

    The Mets do have the worst bullpen in the NL so whatever the Yankees do, they must get Santana out of there no later than the 7th inning.

  44. Tar June 8th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    I’m a little confused, I thought the pen was a strength ? Yeah you make moves when players come back, Rapada and Eppley.

    But Phelps? Wade? Even Garcia I don’t get. Garcia sitting on his .. has value to this team. Why create problems when there are none.

  45. jacksquat June 8th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Buster Olney said a few days ago that the Mets planned to limit Santana to 90 pitches in his next few starts. If that is the case, the Yanks need to try to make him work and get him out of there in 5. But maybe with 2 extra days rest, he will be on a more normal pitch limit, who knows.

  46. 86w183 June 8th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    I never suggest making a bunch of changes, because I’m not sure there are replacements available that would be upgrades.

    I would send Phelps to Scranton to be a starter when Robertson comes back. If/when Joba or Aardsma is available then Rapada and Eppley would be next to go.

    If they could deal Garcia for a more typical long reliever I’m sure they’d do it.

    Juan Cedeno is a journeyman lefty… no idea why his numbers are so good this year. Maybe it’s a new pitch?

  47. Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Have a great day all. Until later.

  48. longtimefan June 8th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Alex Rodriguez? Sure, considering he committed a costly error and struck out with the bases loaded, but it would’ve required him to be available in the clubhouse to utter the quote.

    Would it have made any difference to hear him recite the SOS, his empty quotes and cliches are really annoying–you are the highest paid player in the game(what a joke)–talk is cheap–try playing harder and Girardi needs to stop babying him with all the half days off–so far this season he has had more 1/2 days off than anyone–and we have this guy for 5 more years–taking up space and holding the team back.

  49. blake June 8th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    “his empty quotes and cliches are really annoying–you are the highest paid player in the game(what a joke)”

    everyone hated when he talked in the past….because he said dumb stuff…..now we are annoyed that he’s a walking cliche like Jeter?

  50. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 8th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Ugh. . . .This has been a snake bitten year for injuries involving the younger players. To say nothing of injuries to Pineda, Robertson, and Gardner. BUT the farm now has Tyler Austin injured. This adds to Banuelos and Campos already on the shelf along with Turley, and then add Kevin Whelan with a sore right arm now. The injuries keep mounting down there. And Ravel Santana still has not made it out of EST, it is sounding more like a David Adams situation. And forget about Heathcott, no one knows really when that is going to happen.

    Again, hope Tyler Ausitn’s injury is not serious, but when you hear he could not put any weight on his leg coming out of the game, that does not sound good.

  51. blake June 8th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    The Yanks faced some tough pitching last night so I’ll cut them some slack offensively…..they worked Price hard and got him out after 5 and Davis was outstanding when he came in….the game was lost defensively and that’s just the way it goes sometimes…..they took 2 of 3 and are playing pretty darn well right now overall…would have loved the sweep but turn the page and just sweep the Muts instead.

  52. blake June 8th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    yea I really hope Austin isn’t hurt badly….he was having such a good year and was probably close to a promotion to Tampa. Hope he can get back soon.

  53. DONNYBROOK June 8th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Does Not matter who you are playing, your goal is to win 2 of 3. For a long while now, this series has meant Far more to the Mets, than it does the Yanks. Part of the reason is the Yanks being so successful, the other part is The Boss Not being the Ram Rodder. One is Not exclusive of the other.

  54. longtimefan June 8th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Price was just better than Sabathia and frankly has been in the majority of their face to face
    games. CC was hurt by the bottom of the line up and Price handled the heart of the line up with ease.

  55. austinmac June 8th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    That is bad news to hear Austin had to be helped off the field. Let’s hope it is a simple sprained ankle.

    I am also a bit surprised I can’t find a word on Soler today. It has been a long time since the Yankees signed someone we could have some excitement about. However, I would be shocked if the Yankees made a remotely competitive bid.

  56. blake June 8th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    CJ Wilson: 6-4, 2.54 ERA, 1.127 WHIP, 64 Ks, 152 ERA+
    Yu Darvish: 7-4, 3.72 ERA, 1.514 WHIP, 77 K’s, 119 ERA+
    Hiroki Kuroda: 4-6, 3.82 ERA, 1.346 WHIP, 41 K’s, 111 ERA+
    Gio Gonzalez: 7-2, 2.31 ERA, 1.025 WHIP, 84 K’s, 171 ERA+

    Just a small snap shot….don’t know what conclusions you can draw…..probably that Wilson is a good pitcher despite what he’s shown in the playoffs…..that Darvish is still adjusting…..that Kuroda is about what we thought (solid)…..and that Gio is a lot better than a lot of people think…..sure he’s benefitting from the NL….but he’s nasty and his walk rate is dropping a bit….if it takes a real step forward he’s got top 10 pitcher in the game potential and is only 26 years old.

  57. Gary June 8th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Yankee Trader June 8th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Blake-

    Gardner in CF will be less costly than Granderson. I’d like to keep Granderson on a team friendly extension, but if you had to trade him at the deadline this year, what young corner outfielder might the Yankees be able to get??

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Morning, Granderson just strikes out way too much, I’ve made that point several times. After last nights 4 K performance he’s now on track for 187K’s and that’s up from 169 last year. Bernie by comparison didn’t break the 100K mark only coming close a couple of times with 96 and 97. Curtis just doesn’t make contact often enough, he guts too many rally’s.

  58. Gary June 8th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    blake June 8th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    CJ Wilson: 6-4, 2.54 ERA, 1.127 WHIP, 64 Ks, 152 ERA+
    Yu Darvish: 7-4, 3.72 ERA, 1.514 WHIP, 77 K’s, 119 ERA+
    Hiroki Kuroda: 4-6, 3.82 ERA, 1.346 WHIP, 41 K’s, 111 ERA+
    Gio Gonzalez: 7-2, 2.31 ERA, 1.025 WHIP, 84 K’s, 171 ERA+

    Just a small snap shot….don’t know what conclusions you can draw…..probably that Wilson is a good pitcher despite what he’s shown in the playoffs…..that Darvish is still adjusting…..that Kuroda is about what we thought (solid)…..and that Gio is a lot better than a lot of people think…..sure he’s benefitting from the NL….but he’s nasty and his walk rate is dropping a bit….if it takes a real step forward he’s got top 10 pitcher in the game potential and is only 26 years old.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Blake, I had been watching Yu and Gio since there was so much discussion during the off season. I think Yu is doing good for a rookie facing all the baseball and cultural changes he is confronted with. Gio is really having a good season.

  59. Giuseppe Franco June 8th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    If my memory serves me, the Yanks have done a pretty good job getting Price’s pitch count up early the last few times they’ve faced him.

  60. Tar June 8th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    86
    All valid points. But I think barring injury, Phelps as a starter is not happening this year. He’s too valuable in his role to this team. I was against re-signing Garcia, and I’m against just dumping him. I think in a pinch, he can provide some quality and quantity innings. Any way sorry for the hit and run posts catch everybody later

  61. Shame Spencer June 8th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    austinmac June 8th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    I am also a bit surprised I can’t find a word on Soler today.

    —————–

    Was thinking the same thing. Wasn’t the bid deadline last night?

  62. Gary June 8th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    blake June 8th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    The Yanks faced some tough pitching last night so I’ll cut them some slack offensively…..they worked Price hard and got him out after 5 and Davis was outstanding when he came in….the game was lost defensively and that’s just the way it goes sometimes…..they took 2 of 3 and are playing pretty darn well right now overall…would have loved the sweep but turn the page and just sweep the Muts instead.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Blake trouble was in the clutch again the big guys didn’t deliver. I think Price knew he could get ARod out with that breaking ball and ARod wasn’t going to get the hit, but just a few fouls before it was a matter of time. Yanks caught a break on the bad bunt execution when they got the WP but it still didn’t matter. Couple of guys took called third strikes in those situations, balls weren’t all that close to not being called strikes. I think that was bad judgement, better to go down hacking instead of letting the ump punch you out.

  63. Giuseppe Franco June 8th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Gonzalez’ walk rate is probably lower due to essentially having two free outs in the 8th and 9th slots when he’s not pitching against an interleague game.

  64. Gary June 8th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Giuseppe Franco June 8th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    If my memory serves me, the Yanks have done a pretty good job getting Price’s pitch count up early the last few times they’ve faced him.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Agree, there has been a small village of guys on the basepaths. Trouble is that he then starts getting guys out in the key situations and eventually hands it over to the bullpen.

  65. DONNYBROOK June 8th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    As I’ve said before, Darvish is turning out to be another Dice K. Hitters facing him more than once, or viewing video, simply refrain from swinging at garbage outta the Strike Zone. This is why you see a WHIP that would choke a horse. He’s gonna get strong run support, which allows Washington to leave him in games and garner W’s. The W’s mask the direction he is trending.

  66. ac1 June 8th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    “Who do you promote from the minors and why? Need 3 relievers.”

    Mitchell would be one of them….I think thats probably his future anyway and I’d like to start working him in to a swing man role…guy to come in a get a double play ball etc….not sure on the other 2….

    ____________________

    Right now? Igarasha is one, maybe a second lefty somewhere, and 3rd i think Betances. Get him up here now. He is not getting any better in AAA with the walks, not getting deep into games, try him out of the pen and see how he responds…. With these 4 inning starts he has in AAA, he will never make it to the majors as a starter.

  67. ac1 June 8th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Did Girardi really say Price was just good last night when asked about sucking with RISP and bases loaded AGAIN? 5 innings and 110 pitches is good??? A-Rod seeing 8 curveballs in the same place and being unable to hit one into play? The Yankees could have had 10 runs last night when just a couple timely hits.

  68. randy l. June 8th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    “CJ Wilson: 6-4, 2.54 ERA, 1.127 WHIP, 64 Ks, 152 ERA+
    Yu Darvish: 7-4, 3.72 ERA, 1.514 WHIP, 77 K’s, 119 ERA+
    Hiroki Kuroda: 4-6, 3.82 ERA, 1.346 WHIP, 41 K’s, 111 ERA+
    Gio Gonzalez: 7-2, 2.31 ERA, 1.025 WHIP, 84 K’s, 171 ERA+”

    blake-

    are you saying kuroda has been doing a pretty good job?

    i gotta say i’m really relieved because of all that talk by our most prolific poster that he was in danger of being moved to the bullpen because he couldn’t pitch in the american league least, i mean east.

  69. 86w183 June 8th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    I have no objection with trying Betances in the pen, but you don’t call him up first. Let him pitch out of the Scranton pen and see if that helps with is control/command.

  70. muwarriorsfan June 8th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    “The man is a horse and I think he might not have given up more than one run last night if he had Gardner in LF.”

    The fact of that AB is that Sabathia, as he so often does, threw a meatball on a 1-2 pitch that was hammered to the base of the wall. Would a better outfielder have caught it? Maybe, but a better pitcher finishes off the 9th place hitter with 2 strikes.

  71. muwarriorsfan June 8th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    What are Sabathia’s career number matched up against Price?

  72. 86w183 June 8th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “Hammered”? I’ve swatted flies with more force.

    “As he so often does, threw a meatball”. Talk about a gross overstatement.

    No question in my mind that Gardner catches that ball easily.

    CC is 66-26, 3.23 in pinstripes… I can live with that.

  73. Bret The Hitman June 8th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Darvish, of that bunch, stands out as the worst choice given the financial burden. Gio Gonzalez would have been the best bet and they should have traded Montero for him. Trouble is Beane wanted Mason Williams and Montero wasn’t enough for him. Smart.

  74. Bret The Hitman June 8th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    The league will pound Darvish when they figure him out. Huge loss for the Rangers with that stupid contract.

  75. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 8th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Does anyone have access to Buster Onley’s article about available FA OFers? I am curious as to what he has to say. I thought there was not much out there on the OF front – and that we would either let Swisher walk or let him accept arb for one year.

  76. LGY June 8th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    AL pitchers I’d rather have than CC.

    1. Verlander

    End of list.

  77. jacksquat June 8th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Igarishi guys…

  78. Hassey June 8th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I hate to say it, but it’s amazing how Maddon gets so many no-names to continue to play like they did when they were one-of-a-kind stars in high school

  79. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 8th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Bret The Hitman June 8th, 2012 at 11:13 am
    The league will pound Darvish when they figure him out. Huge loss for the Rangers with that stupid contract.

    ************

    I partially agree. I think Darvish will pitch a bit above average, but not as an ace, and I think not up to C.J. Wilson’s in season numbers, let a lone have the impact that Cliff Lee had on them in 2010. I live in the DFW area, and trust me, they are counting on Darvish to fill that Lee/Wilson shoes while Holland, Feliz, and Perez, and Ross develop. Problem now is, Holland and Feliz are injured (yeah, even Nolan’s vaunted development program has problems) and Perez has been very Banuelos/Betances in AAA so far. Rangers best bet is to make a killing with Andrus, promote Profar, and bring back a stud in the Andrus trade. Darvish is not their answer, and he would NOT have been the answer here.

  80. Bret The Hitman June 8th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    The cheerleading for Darvish mystery meat made me sick to my stomach. Not a big fan of spam in my diet.

  81. Hassey June 8th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    did Swisher opt-out of his contract while he was on the DL?

    paging Mr. Swisher, paging Mr. Swisher, stop shaking your head with a smile and pick up line 2, paging Mr. Swisher

  82. Bret The Hitman June 8th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Yu were wrong about Darvish. Yu made a bad decision. Yu are not so good.

  83. LGY June 8th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Yu Darvish is 25 years old and on pace for a 3.4 WAR season.

  84. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 8th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Bret The Hitman June 8th, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Yu were wrong about Darvish. Yu made a bad decision. Yu are not so good.

    ************

    Yu fired?

  85. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 8th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    LGY June 8th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    Yu Darvish is 25 years old and on pace for a 3.4 WAR season.

    *********

    I am just a Yankees’ fan reporting from Rangers’ country and they are none too happy that Coco Crisp hit a HR off of him in Oakland. Plus, they had an interesting stat on the Rangers broadcast, I listen to it sometimes while I drive home, his ERA jumps to 6ish the second time you see him and his K rate drops and his BB rate rises. Just telling you what they think down here about Yu. They are also beginning to quesiton Nolan just a little what with Feliz and Holland going down.

  86. blake June 8th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    “Gonzalez’ walk rate is probably lower due to essentially having two free outs in the 8th and 9th slots when he’s not pitching against an interleague game”

    sure….but he’s still really good. It also could be improving because he’s learning how to pitch.

  87. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    “Yu Darvish is 25 years old and on pace for a 3.4 WAR season.”

    Since the Yanks’ bid for Darvish fell woefully short, as a Yankee fan I must believe Darvish is overrated and will disappoint. That belief is going to overpower any silly sabermetric stat you run up the flagpole.

  88. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 8th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    blake June 8th, 2012 at 11:32 am
    “Gonzalez’ walk rate is probably lower due to essentially having two free outs in the 8th and 9th slots when he’s not pitching against an interleague game”

    sure….but he’s still really good. It also could be improving because he’s learning how to pitch.

    **********

    I though I read something where is HR/Fly out rate is drastically down, his groundballs are up, but his BABIP is also helping him out. Still, Gio would look nice now as no. 2 instead of waiting and hoping on Pineda next year.

    Speaking of Pineda, and I am sorry if I missed it, but has there been any news on that front? When was the surgery done? Any updates?

  89. blake June 8th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    “are you saying kuroda has been doing a pretty good job?”

    yea he’s about what I thought…..a solid #3 starter.

  90. Shame Spencer June 8th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    “Yu Darvish is 25 years old and on pace for a 3.4 WAR season.”

    Since the Yanks’ bid for Darvish fell woefully short, as a Yankee fan I must believe Darvish is overrated and will disappoint. That belief is going to overpower any silly sabermetric stat you run up the flagpole.

    —————

    :lol:

  91. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 8th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2012 at 11:32 am
    “Yu Darvish is 25 years old and on pace for a 3.4 WAR season.”

    Since the Yanks’ bid for Darvish fell woefully short, as a Yankee fan I must believe Darvish is overrated and will disappoint. That belief is going to overpower any silly sabermetric stat you run up the flagpole.

    **********

    I think, as with all things, you have to wait and see. But the Rangers’ fans right now are beginning to turn on Yu. That is all about I can say from Arlington.

  92. blake June 8th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “AL pitchers I’d rather have than CC.

    1. Verlander

    End of list.”

    yea….you could argue Felix as well but he kinda worries me long term health wise even….will be be able to log the innings he has forever and stay as good? ….but the only guy I can say for sure is Verlander.

  93. Shame Spencer June 8th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    NY Daily News Sports ?@NYDNsports

    BELMONT BREAKING NEWS: I’ll Have Another will be scratched from Saturday’s run at Triple Crown history … more to come

  94. Shame Spencer June 8th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Hope you all refrained from placing your bets..

  95. blake June 8th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    I think Darvish will be good….for this year Wilson is probably a better pitcher though.

  96. Nick in SF June 8th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “I am just a Yankees’ fan reporting from Rangers’ country and they are none too happy that Coco Crisp hit a HR off of him in Oakland.”

    I’m still none too happy that Marco Scutaro hit a HR off of Mo in Oakland. :mad: :mad: :mad:

  97. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 8th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Nick in SF June 8th, 2012 at 11:44 am
    “I am just a Yankees’ fan reporting from Rangers’ country and they are none too happy that Coco Crisp hit a HR off of him in Oakland.”

    I’m still none too happy that Marco Scutaro hit a HR off of Mo in Oakland.

    **********

    That was a brutal Sunday game – I believe in early April 2007. I just remember having that guts torn out after spending my whole Sunday. Actually, what might have been worst was when Jason Kubel hit the grand slam off Mo in the 8th inning at YS. Brrrrr…….

  98. UnKnown June 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    CC is fine. The people who don’t think that he is an ACE are definitely in the minority.

    If people would just stop paying attention to the Trolls who think he is not an ACE it would disappear. Sadly some people, in particularly a few last night, just can’t help themselves.

    Everyone let one or two posters basically make the game thread a disaster because other people felt like they had to give them a piece of their mind. It’s ridiculous. Laugh it off and keep it moving.

    Don’t feed the Trolls peeps. Pretty simple stuff. And if you do feed them don’t be surprised that when they get hungry for attention that they come back.

  99. austinmac June 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I flipped on the Ranger game in the 5th inning yesterday and was surpised to see Darvish’ fastball at 90-91. He was at 93-94 when I saw him earlier in the year.

    My belief is the starting pitching will be okay. The pen is in some trouble until Robertson returns. Rapada doesn’t add anything for me nor does Garcia. Phelps doesn’t pitch enough to pitch well. It is hard to have command when you pitch an inning per week. The AAA options don’t seem very appealing. They will hope for Aardsma and Joba. I don’t see many other options. But, I would see what Phelps can bring to the table more often.

  100. Jerkface June 8th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    I flipped on the Ranger game in the 5th inning yesterday and was surpised to see Darvish’ fastball at 90-91. He was at 93-94 when I saw him earlier in the year.

    His velocity has been consistent.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch.....8;pitch=FA

  101. LGY June 8th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Since the Yanks’ bid for Darvish fell woefully short, as a Yankee fan I must believe Darvish is overrated and will disappoint. That belief is going to overpower any silly sabermetric stat you run up the flagpole

    —————

    Oh that’s right. Preemptively, I just want to say Soler is a BUST.

  102. austinmac June 8th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Shame,

    The agent wanted all bids in yesterday, but, as I understand it, that would likely be the beginning of negotiations weeding out who is in and who is not realistic. I would like to know if the Yankees are really in it. I very much doubt it, but for some unknown reason the team never keeps me in the loop.

  103. Jerkface June 8th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    The agent wanted all bids in yesterday, but, as I understand it, that would likely be the beginning of negotiations weeding out who is in and who is not realistic. I would like to know if the Yankees are really in it. I very much doubt it, but for some unknown reason the team never keeps me in the loop.

    I’m gonna go ahead and say that this deadline for bids thing was a planned stunt so that the agent can go with a deal agreed upon while Soler was not yet a free agent, but leaving room in case someone wows with a bigger offer.

  104. austinmac June 8th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Jerkface,

    Interesting Darvish velocity info. Thanks. All I saw was the 5th and 6th and saw nothing above 92 and mostly below. He was at 90+ plus pitches.

  105. Warning Track Power June 8th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Costas and Kim Kaat are calling the game tonight on MLB Network.
    I will be tuning in. Huge fan of Costas and we all know Kaat is very good at what he does.

  106. blake June 8th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    JF sticking with this Soler to the Cubs report from way back…..could be right…we’ll find out soon….

  107. blake June 8th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Costas and Kaat should do playoff games.

  108. Shame Spencer June 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Why doesn’t Kaat still work for us again?

  109. Warning Track Power June 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Tonight will be the 3rd game in a week that I have been able to
    hear Costas and Kaat on MLB Network. Good times!

  110. NYYROC June 8th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Shame, IIRC, Kaat made some critical remarks about the team (nothing nasty, just his opinion) during a broadcast. That upset GS and that was the end of Katt on YES.

  111. blake June 8th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    When does MLBs deal with FOX run out?

  112. RS June 8th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    I wish the Red Sox/Nats game was on MLB network. Strasburg in Fenway should be fun

  113. austinmac June 8th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    “When does MLBs deal with FOX run out?’

    Not soon enough.

  114. GregD June 8th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    UnKnown June 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am
    CC is fine. The people who don’t think that he is an ACE are definitely in the minority.

    If people would just stop paying attention to the Trolls who think he is not an ACE it would disappear. Sadly some people, in particularly a few last night, just can’t help themselves.

    Everyone let one or two posters basically make the game thread a disaster because other people felt like they had to give them a piece of their mind. It’s ridiculous. Laugh it off and keep it moving.

    Don’t feed the Trolls peeps. Pretty simple stuff. And if you do feed them don’t be surprised that when they get hungry for attention that they come back.
    ———————————–

    Could not have said it better myself.


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