Postgame notes: “I love pitching”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jun 09, 2012 
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Home runs have carried the Yankees offense the past two nights, but that’s not what anyone wanted to talk about tonight.
“I love pitching,” Joe Girardi said. “Pitching gives you a chance to win every day. Obviously it’s fun to score runs, and you need to score runs, but you know that if your pitchers do the job, you’ve got a really good chance of winning.”
The Yankees have won five of their past six games, and starting pitching has played a staring role in each of those wins. Andy Pettitte has given the rotation a boost, Hiroki Kuroda’s been outstanding, Ivan Nova’s last start was a big step in the right direction. And then there’s Phil Hughes.
“You don’t want to be the guy that lets it down,” Hughes said. “Keep the roll going and thankfully we’ve been getting some good starting pitching, the bullpen stepped up, and we’ve been scoring enough runs. We want to keep this going as long as we can. … You can’t argue with wins. Whether we’re playing the best we can or we’re no, a W is a W, and we’ll take it.”
Hughes has won five of his past seven starts, enough to give him a winning record and a 4.76 ERA (he was 1-4 with a 7.48 ERA as recently as May 5). He said his curveball wasn’t particularly sharp tonight, and he never found the changeup consistency he wanted, but Hughes has been able to lean heavily on his fastball to find success with an aggressive game plan.
“If we don’t have the starting pitching that we’ve had step up for us, we might not be in as good a spot as right now,” Mark Teixeira said. “Starting pitching is the key to baseball, and Phil just kept a long line of great starts going tonight.”
• Of course, a little offense helps, and tonight Teixeira delivered the big blow with a two-out, two-run homer in the sixth. “Curveball probably left over the plate a little more than he’d like to,” Teixeira said. Curtis Granderson added an insurance run with his solo homer in the eighth.
• The Yankees are now 25-5 when hitting multiple home runs this season. For all the talk about runners in scoring position, the Yankees are still at their best when they’re hitting the ball out of the park. “I just say, let’s be ourselves,” Teixeira said. “When you don’t do things you’re comfortable doing, you’re not going to be successful. This is a home-run-hitting team. We have guys up and down the lineup that have hit home runs. We have guys that have been doing it a long time, so we really shouldn’t be changing the way we approach the game.”
• This was only Teixeira’s third home run at Yankee Stadium this season.
• Derek Jeter snapped an 0-for-17 with his first-inning single. Later in the inning he scored his 1,800th career run, moving him ahead of Ted Williams on baseball’s all-time list.
• It was Alex Rodriguez who drove in Jeter, giving him 1,917 RBI in his career. That moved him into a tie with Eddie Murray for seventh on baseball’s all-time list.
• Very nice catch by Curtis Granderson to take away extra-bases in that pivotal seventh inning, when Omar Quintanilla — of all people — threatened to come up with his second huge hit of the game.
• Hughes was able to get his fastball under control later in the game, but it was giving him some trouble in the first inning. “First inning has kind of been a struggle for me all year, just trying to contain those emotions and locate my fastball a little bit better,” he said. “It was kind of the same story tonight. Thankfully I got out of it. Fastball was kind of riding everywhere in the first inning, a little too much adrenaline.”
• Hughes has allowed a home run in all 12 starts this season, tied for the second-longest streak to open a season in Major League history. “The home runs are an issue,” Hughes said. “I’m a fly ball pitcher so it’s going to happen. I’d like to blame it on the ballpark but those are pretty much going out anywhere. Thankfully they were solo homers and I was able to get some outs with guys on base and stay away from the big inning.”
• Speaking of which: Hughes got 11 fly ball outs tonight. He got one groundball out.
• The bullpen did it again, with Cory Wade getting out of trouble in the seventh, Clay Rapada getting two big outs in the eighth and Rafael Soriano getting the save with a scoreless ninth. “Our bullpen was really mapped out, seventh, eighth, ninth inning,” Girardi said. “Now it’s not mapped out. It’s kind of mix-and-match all the way through, and these guys have really stepped up. We’ve asked guys to do things that probably in their career they haven’t done a lot of, and they’ve done a good job.”
• Soriano improved to 9-for-9 in save chances this season. He’s converted all 11 save opportunities since coming to the Yankees.
• Last word goes to Teixeira: “Winning helps. Everyone talks about this stat, that stat. It’s wins. If we’re winning ballgames, everyone is going to be a little bit happier, a little bit more relaxed, and we feel like we’ve been on a really nice roll the past couple of weeks. … “We’re playing good baseball. You can always be better. That’s the fact of the matter in this game, but right now we’re on a nice little run.”
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igotid88 June 9th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
So a pitcher does well and we trade him?
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I think fans want to dump Hughes but they see him as a key trade asset. Fans bring up moving Curtis or Cano but we all know it’s probably not going to happen unless they have outrageous contract demands.
****don’t think****
Tex’s HR or bust attitude will guarantee another first round loss in the playoffs.
“I love pitching,” Joe Girardi said. “Pitching gives you a chance to win every day. Obviously it’s fun to score runs, and you need to score runs, but you know that if your pitchers do the job, you’ve got a really good chance of winning.””
““If we don’t have the starting pitching that we’ve had step up for us, we might not be in as good a spot as right now,” Mark Teixeira said. “Starting pitching is the key to baseball, and Phil just kept a long line of great starts going tonight.””
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Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, and more pitching. It’s the elixir of the baseball gods!
Sweet dreams all.
Just wondering – perhaps it’s time to teach Hughes a sinker? Maybe start getting some more ground balls??
It seems however he pitches someone wants to trade. Imagine if we had done that with Pettitte?
I wanted to comment on the home run thing. First of all power pitchers have a tendency to give up home runs. Curt Schilling who was dominant especially in 2001 and the playoffs gave up a record amount of home runs but the majority of them were solo shots. Now I think Hughes should refine some of his pitches and try to lower the number but you can’t expect a power pitcher to give up a small amount of home runs.
igotid88 June 10th, 2012 at 12:06 am
It seems however he pitches someone wants to trade.
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But there is a difference though. Some fans want him traded because they believe he is overrated and others want him trade because he could bring back a piece they might need.
What are the Yankees going to do with Mo when he comes back next year? Are they going to pay him $15 million again? Will he accept less? Especially if we make the playoffs and win the WS? I know it’s early but still.
“But there is a difference though. Some fans want him traded because they believe he is overrated and others want him trade because he could bring back a piece they might need.”
And because of the reality of how many impending free agents we have in the next 2 years and how to prioritize them. They certainly can’t resign everybody, especially to market value deals.
And even the guys they don’t resign (Swisher, Martin, maybe Grandy/Jeter, Gardner, etc.) they need to find adequate replacements for for the team to remain competitive.
If Andy pitches well this year, he can name his price next year. MO is going to get his $15 mil next year. They probably have no shot to re-sign Kuroda, even if he pitches well.
Good Night Trish.
I’d just like for him to be on this team. One because I believe he can help. And if he’s good long enough watching him pass Yankee pitching records
AZ88 June 10th, 2012 at 12:11 am
“But there is a difference though. Some fans want him traded because they believe he is overrated and others want him trade because he could bring back a piece they might need.”
And because of the reality of how many impending free agents we have in the next 2 years and how to prioritize them. They certainly can’t resign everybody, especially to market value deals.
And even the guys they don’t resign (Swisher, Martin, maybe Grandy/Jeter, Gardner, etc.) they need to find adequate replacements for for the team to remain competitive.
If Andy pitches well this year, he can name his price next year. MO is going to get his $15 mil next year. They probably have no shot to re-sign Kuroda, even if he pitches well.
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Exactly. I mean it’s crazy to say this but Hughes might be a casualty of the budget.
So the only thing that I can think of that is truly worrisome about this team right now is if they can’t get Gardner back. Right now it is looking more and more that we can’t count on Gardner being healthy enough to contribute this year. Which sucks.
I think it will be really tough for Cashman to hold off and not get an OF at some point in time.
I fear Ibanez getting worn down with all of the time in left and even Chavez I worry about breaking down as well. Girardi has to find a game here to give Granderson a blow as well.
Otherwise its all coming up roses for the Bombers these last 15 to 18 games.
I wanted to comment on the home run thing. First of all power pitchers have a tendency to give up home runs. Curt Schilling who was dominant especially in 2001 and the playoffs gave up a record amount of home runs but the majority of them were solo shots. Now I think Hughes should refine some of his pitches and try to lower the number but you can’t expect a power pitcher to give up a small amount of home runs.
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His HR rate was 1.3 and he only walked 1.4. Hughes is at 2.
Perspective. Hughes is not just giving up an acceptable amount of HRs, he would have given up the 2nd most HRs by rate in the last 5 seasons. Only beaten by Bronson Arroyo last year. The other people he would be near are Eric Milton and Carlos Silva and they both had ERAs above 5.5.
His HR rate is simply not good. Awful. The worst.
There is no way to frame it. Its good he has been succeeding (for the most part) this year despite it.
And if he’s good long enough watching him pass Yankee pitching records
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Pettitte might have a strong hold on some of them. And CC who hasn’t been on the team for a long has some records as well.
“I’d just like for him to be on this team. One because I believe he can help. And if he’s good long enough watching him pass Yankee pitching records”
Oh, I agree. It would be great to see a homegrown pitcher finally succeed here long term for the first time since Andy (and Wang to a lesser extent).
It is just a matter of how they choose to allocate their money. They’re going to lose some people, it’s just a question of who, and who if anyone, decides to take less.
Tar and Trisha — good night. Always enjoy your thoughts on the Yankees. Tar, sorry for jumping the gun thinking you didn’t respond. I will continue to comment but be more patient in waiting for response. Hope you both continue to welcome new points of view. No doubt you will.
muwarriorsfan June 10th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Tex’s HR or bust attitude will guarantee another first round loss in the playoffs.
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You mean like your guarantee that NYYs wouldn’t score but the one run and lose again? You’re really a gypsy tea leaf reader, aren’t you?
Good night everyone
“What are the Yankees going to do with Mo when he comes back next year?”
igotid88
You pay the man what he wants. it will be reasonable, even if it’s more then what his play or the budget dictates. Being fiscally responsible with Mo should be way down on Cash’s list. If the money is that important make it up somewhere else. Hell, I’ll contribute just to watch him pitch again. I hope he learned from the Jeter negotiations, on what not to do.
Jerk
His HR rate has stayed the same all year correct? Is he the same pitcher now, or getting the results that he was at the beginning of the year, of course not.
It certainly would be better for him to lower his HR rate no doubt. But it’s not a deal breaker if he can limit the damage. I think his numbers prove that this year.
Bryan Hoch?@BryanHoch
RT @MatthewHLeach: Phil Hughes’ last 8 starts: 46 K, 12 BB, 3.80 ERA. It’s almost like he’s not some sort of hopeless disaster.
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I guess this statement would depend on what The Wizard Of Odd says.
j9d
No problem, good night. You too Dean
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
Good article on Phil………..
R O F L !!!!
Thanks, Tar. G’night.
Jesus. How many excuses will The Mets make for their pitchers not getting it done. Last night, ZCollins said it was his fault for Santana coughing it up. Was he at fault for Santana getting hammered in his last 2 starts against the Yankees. Tonight for Gee, it was the air conditioning in the dugout. Just admit that the yankees outpitched and outhit you. They’re starting to sound like Valentine and the Red Sox.
http://www.nj.com/mets/index.s.....witterfeed
My two cents on Mo: You pay him the money he wants because…he’s MO, the GOAT. Just like Cashman should have paid Jeter because…he’s freakin’ Jeter and he IS the Yankees.
We’ll see what happens. Cashman has shown that he doesn’t always get it.
Hughes is coming along pretty well, and they should look to extend him (as I said earlier), but he needs to become more like I have read that Drysdale was, and make hitters more um, uncomfortable.
Drysdale ( akin to Gibson ) brought it under your chin
Not allowed anymore . Nobody likes a fastball upon the orbital bone . Palmer would not throw at the other side , ……he mainly beat them instead . Hope this helps !
the only main player hasn’t got a nice run so far is A-Rod.
Hughes and Tex have been great lately.
So then the 189mil cap means nothing
Then throw at their chest or waist. It was reported that Girardi told Martin to call more pitches inside. Just kick that up a notch. Pedro did it not too long ago.
A-Rod hasn’t been great. But he hasn’t been awful either. When you think he’s about to break out. He cools off a bit.
A-Rod has value because he hits some and plays 3B. There aren’t many players that can do that.
I will say the only time the home run hurt Hughes was in his start against the O’s. He pitched way better than the numbers show.
This is who thought they were: a great starting staff with a stellar bullpen.
Missing some pieces: Mo, Robertson, Joba, and Pineda.
But Andy, Soriano, and the rest of the bullpen filling in nicely.
Yay, for Hughes. The three starts before this he had a better GB/FB ratio, he just needs to make some adjustments The HR continue to haunt him. But I have no doubt he will figure it out. He’s been pitching great lately. And deeper into games.
The pitching was fine. They didn’t need to take great risks to improve it.
Oh, and Mo leaves money on the table. Because it’s the honorable thing to do.
Rich in NJ…..I know that policy is not to deal with contracts during the season, however the club needs to move on the Hughes issue right after the season ends…..If he stays healthy he’s only going to get better as each month passes………Cole Hamel is going to get his own Swiss Bank account for Christmas and you just know Phil Hughes and his agent will be watching….Sign him or it’s going to be very expensive one way or the other……I know you’ve been on this since camp started in February
Pat
If they are serious about $189m, the policy has to end. That is on ownership. It will end up weakening the team, maybe significantly.
Are the Yankees looking for help?
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....witterfeed
They’re going to want to see back to back solid seasons before giving Hughes anything long-term.
Cardinals left-hander Jaime Garcia has tearing in his labrum and rotator cuff, reports Joe Strauss of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Surgery is not recommended at this time but he will be shut down for a minimum of four weeks. Garcia signed a four-year, $27MM extension last July.
m…….the front office doesn’t have that luxury as Hughes is a free agent after next season…..
In games he’s gone at least 5ip and gave up 3 runs or less
7GS 46.1 40h 13er 8hr 13bb 41k 1.15WHIP 2.54era
In games he’s gone to at the most 5ip*
5gs 21.2 33h 23er 7hr 5bb 22k 1.79whip 9.76era
*I included his first game against the Rays. He only went 4.2 but only gave up 2er
And his Baltimore start where he pitched a good game. And went 5.2ip But 2 of the 4 hits were hr. Boone Logan gave up the run with 2 outs and the runner on 1st.
I’ll take his last month for the rest of this season and all of next.
Not happy that Gardner’s had a setback. I hope it passes. We need him in the OF.
m June 10th, 2012 at 1:59 am
They’re going to want to see back to back solid seasons before giving Hughes anything long-term.
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2 out of 3 good full seasons. With an injury year in the middle should be okay.
GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2012 at 1:59 am
Are the Yankees looking for help?
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde…..witterfeed
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I can still run and catch
igotid88……And that one year wasn’t really an injury as we know…..
I’m a tad wild , but hurl I still can . I want that contract ! Tom Seaver eat your heart out
Pat M. June 10th, 2012 at 2:18 am
igotid88……And that one year wasn’t really an injury as we know…..
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There was arm fatigue. And even though it’s not a good excuse. He did say he tried not to do much during that offseason because of the heavy workload. Which was the reason for his being in camp out of shape. But it’s not the first time a pitcher lost velocity.
Nice tidbit from espnewyork.com. Hughes has given up 2 runs or less in 7 of his 12 starts.
Good night and good morning to Doreen and the breakfast club !!!!! Think Sweep when enjoying your coffee…….Maybe Ericia or Erin will share a joke with us today…….Time to trun out the lights here
Good morning.
Shame about GGBG.
Hope it’s nothing serious.
I can see how the Yankees would be looking around if they are concerned.
Nice job by Hughes. 2ndary stuff wasn’t working too well last night.
Still needs to be able to keep people off the FB.
The Pitching staff is rounding into form.
Good morning MTU. Getting ready for a hike, or just a restful day?
MTU -
JU may become available, for the right package.
I hate to see Hughes giving up so many HR, but the fact remains, if a SP limits the other team to 2 runs per game, the Yankees should win those games.
Hello, is there live out there, lol.
Greetings Al.
Just the usual early morning routine.
Upton should command a huge price.
Hughes has been pitching very well lately.
He still needs more work on his 2ndary stuff.
Not sure if he will be with the Yankees for the longterm.
Good morning everybody. Nice rainy morning here, good day for lying around watching baseball.
How ya’ feelin’ Mister Tom ?
All healed up and firin’ on all 8 ?
“It’s a rainy night in Georgia”.
Or in this case, morning.
Mister MTU,
Better every day, trying to keep from overdoing it, which still hurts. I’m slow to learn, I guess. No pain killers, no medicine, everything’s looking up, including the Yankees!
After seven years of drought, most of us savor every drop of rain that falls.
That’s what I like to hear Tom.
Too bad about GGBG.
Gazelles like him and Pillsbury have trouble staying healthy.
Good morning. What’s for breakfast?
MTU-
I agree that Hughes needs to work on his secondary pitches. Interestingly lefties, as of June 3rd were only hitting .183, vs righties .361. I’m too lazy to get all the updated numbers and am relying on the last issue of USA Sports Weekly.
Needs to work the inside corner on righties, which he did last night, but didn’t get the calls. It would be nice to use the CU vs lefties, but he seems to rely on hitting the outside corner with the fastball and it’s working vs lefties.
Tom-
You must be getting our rain.
I was up to one of our Mtn lakes yesterday and I could not believe how far down it was compared to other times I’ve been.
Looked like about 25% less than normal.
Kinda sad to see. Hope our monsoon season helps but I kinda doubt that it will this year.
YT-
Breakfast of champions of course.
That’s an odd split. You’d expect it to be the other way round.
I’m still thinking Mr. Splitty for Phil. FB is an excellent weapon but IMO
he relies on it too much.
What do you think might be GGBG’s problem ? Any opinion ?
Looking forward to Andy’s start this afternoon. There have been an unbelievable number of Yankee game live this year. Hardly have to log into MLB.TV at all lately.
Teixeira said. “When you don’t do things you’re comfortable doing, you’re not going to be successful.”
I yam what I yam. So kids eats ya spinach and don’t listen to them LoHudders who wants you to hit the other way!! Mark “Popeye” Teixeira
Hughes has a very good CB, but did not use it last night, perhaps while warming up it was not there. I’d be happy to see him pitch as he has the last 7 games all year. Andy seems to have been a big help to him.
YT -
There is a great deal of sense to what Tex said, but, a good ball player learns to make the necessary adjustments as he gets older, and this is true for both pitchers and position players, IMO.
Al-
AJ had a really good FB and CB. Where did that get him ?
Though he did not have Phil’s command an effective 3rd pitch is definitely needed.
2 pitch starting pitchers are not viable longterm IMO.
MTU -
JU is having a down season, thus his value might be a bit lower than in the past. Towers knows our system, and might go for Romine and a couple of our SP prospects – I’d even throw in Swisher.
The discussion of medicine as an exact science the other day belies the reality of Gardner’s injury. What is it?
After my surgery, the doctor remarked that I have another anomaly in there, a one-in-three-million condition. When I asked him what that meant, he said, “Beats the hell out of me. If it hurts, give me a call. Probably never will, but nobody knows.”
Just one of the things that no one knows, I guess, and I probably didn’t need to know, either.
MTU -
AJ could have still been an above average SP, a #3 for sure, had he maintained his control. His stuff was good enough to get by with just 2 dominate pitches, IMO.
Al-
JU is down right now but Towers knows his true value.
Besides that he has a very team-friendly contract.
If we trade w him he’s gonna want our very best.
And a lot of it.
Are you prepared to empty the best of the farm ?
Swisher is too expensive for the DB’s.
Romine has shown nothing at the ML level and has a bad back.
MTU-
Without knowing more about Gardner’s elbow pain, I don’t have a clue. If the X-Ray and MRI were normal, than I don’t think it’s bone fragments. Bursitis?
Tendonitis? Medial epicondylitis[golfer's elbow], lateral epicondylitis[tennis elbow].
Nerve compression, either ulnar or radial.
Bottom line is I don’t know. Isn’t he going to see Dr James Andrews?
Al-
Most successful ML SP have a minimum of 3 effective pitches.
Some more.
Pineda will need a 3rd pitch too. That’s if he returns to health.
That’s one of the reasons I prefer Nova to Hughes at the moment.
The command isn’t quite as good but the arsenal is way better.
MTU -
Towers wanted Romine before, so a deal has to have a basis in which both teams can agree on.
I would offer Romine, Betances, Cervelli and 1 of Mitchell, Warren or Phelps.
YT-
Thanks.
He is seeing Andrews.
Al-
Nice try.
Aint happening IMO.
If Towers would do that I’d make that move in a NC heartbeat.
Or was that a NY minute ?
Oh well. You get my point.
MTU -
I agree on Nova. I feel he can become a #2, and his pitches translate into dominate stuff. As he matures, he’s going to keep getting better, whereas Hughes might be the best he’s going to ever be, a #4 or #5.
MTU -
What do you think it would take to get JU?
Al-
Our very best. Say 3 or 4 of them.
For example : Banuelos, Williams, Sanchez, etc.
Too much IMO.
maybe I’m wrong ?
The Diamondbacks are not far enough back in the NL west to trade Justin Upton for prospects, now. If the Yankees want to trade for an OF’er, now, lets look at teams that are likely done for the season:
Cubs and Padres for sure, maybe the Rockies in NL
Maybe the Twins, who are on a hot streak now, and the A’s in the AL
Stony Brook (!) playing LSU today for a trip to Omaha. Whodathunk it? Go, boys.
MTU -
I’d be willing to ask, and sit down with Towers, if he was willing to listen. A deal with the D-Backs getting 4 or 5 for 1 could not only help the D-Backs going forward, it also gives them trading chips they need going forward. Maybe we could widen the trade and get another Montero to catch, now that would be funny.
YT-
I’ll take Cargo off the Rox hands.
I’ll even part with Cervelli to get him.
Hope you get the rain you need….here in Delaware, we are in good shape
Al-
They just extended the fake Montero.
Mike Napoli is still available but he can hit so we won’t want him.
Tom-
Joe Nathan was a Stony Brook grad.
Now if the Diamonbacks want instant return, to get back in the race with contracts that will expire soon, maybe they take Granderson and one of Mitchell/Warren/ Phelps for Justin Upton. Let the Diamondbacks throw in Gerardo Parra who could play center.
Pipedream.
If you give up Sanchez, Banuelos, Williams then I want no less than Mike Trout, and even that is too much.
A Stony Brook girl won a championship yesterday at the NCAA track meet, can’t remember which event. Go, Seawolves!
Greg-
Thanks.
Our avg. rainfall is only 8 inches.
We had 2 100 yr flood years in the past 10 yrs. so we’ve been lucky in that regard.
The dry times were overdue.
Always on the edge of disaster in semi-arid climates.
Just ask the Anasazi.
MTU June 10th, 2012 at 7:58 am
you get almost no rain! wow……
Where do you live?
I spend a year in Saudi Arabia and I believe we didn’t get much more
Outfielders likely to be available now:
Cubs-Reed Johnson, Alfonso Soriano, David DeJesus
Padres: Carlos Quentin, Mark Kotsay, Will Venable
Rockies: Michael Cuddyer, Eric Young Jr.
MTU -
Here goes my crazy trade offer, remember, I rarely do this, so I might be spitting into the wind.
Yanks get Justin Upton & Montero.
D-Backs get Betances, Romine, Phelps, Martin, Brandon Laird, Eduardo Nunez and Brandon Laird.
Too much, not enough?
I gave them 2 of Laird, a split in half type of guy.
YT -
Of the OF listed, I’d prefer Michael Cuddyer, you?
Personally, with Edwardo Nunez back soon, after jammong his right thumb, I’d put him in LF in AAA and get him back to the majors to replace Gardner, if he’s going to be out an extended time. The team needs speed. Too many DP’s the last few weeks.
Al-
Basically you are offering Betances, Phelps, Romine, etc. for JU.
And martin for Montero.
They won’t want Martin. He’s a ghost of Montero and up for renewal.
Betances does not know where the plate is.
I really like Phleps. He’s worthwhile for sure.
Romine is a duplication of Martin.
Not sure what Nunez is.
So my short answer is that it is not nearly enough.
Yankee Trader June 10th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Personally, with Edwardo Nunez back soon, after jammong his right thumb, I’d put him in LF in AAA and get him back to the majors to replace Gardner, if he’s going to be out an extended time. The team needs speed. Too many DP’s the last few weeks.
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I agree 100%! We need Nunez speed back in this lineup……..
Greg-
Utah. Southern part.
Hey. At least it isn’t the Atacama. Parts of which have reportedly never seen rainfall.
It’s funny too because in the course of it’s earth history Utah was once an inland sea.
Bring up Mason or Ty Austin to replace GGBG.
I don’t believe the Yanks are going to trade for a catcher…they believe that Gary Sanchez is the real thing and their approach will be to find the best way to bridge the next 2-3 years…..Sanchez will move to Tampa after the All Star break and will play AA next year.
YT -
I’d give up those 3 prospects for Trout. Trout is going to be a superstar, IMO.
Where’s that lazy a*s Blake this AM ?
Yanks get Justin Upton & Montero.
D-Backs get Betances, Romine, Phelps, Martin, Brandon Laird, Eduardo Nunez and Brandon Laird.
Too much, not enough?
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Laird is a twin?
Yankees need to unload some payroll. You are giving the Diamondbacks players with little upside.
Try this whopper of a deal which IMO isn’t a possibility:
Yankees get Chris Young, Justin Upton and JJ Putz, for Granderson, Swisher, Nunez, Phelps, and Warren.
“I’d give up those 3 prospects for Trout.”
Me too. That’s some good eatin’.
MTU -
There you go again, thinking the Yanks would turn to the farm when we can simply go the trade route. That makes too much sense, and those players may not be ML ready and able to help the team win right now.
Al-
Yeah. I don’t know what got into me.
sorry.
YT -
The problem with giving up Granderson, you give up the 1 player that’s been able to carry the offense.
If Trout was on the menu, he’d be the House Special. That young man has turned around the Angels season, there is no way they’d even listen to offers.
I want Giancarlo Stanton.
Here’s a contract of the highest paid player on a team, if at the trading deadline, are out of contention for a playoff spot, that could realistically become available, but this GM wants young talent in return. He’s an outfielder.
12:$6.5M, 13:$8.5M, 14:$10.5M, 15:$10.5M
Any guesses?
YT-
Roberto Clemente ?
MTU -
You and every other team.
Would you give up Hughes and Granderson for either Trout or Stanton?
MTU-
I forgot to answer you. Yes Cuddyer to replace Swisher in right.
YT -
I give up, Name that player in 1 post or less.
YT-
That was Al. I know you’re old so it’s OK.
Al-
Hughes for sure. They would not want Grandy. Too expensive and too far along in his career.
MTU -
I protest on the behalf of all old people.
MTU -
What do the fish need that we could offer? And, would they even listen.
Al-
Golden years huh ?
More like we get moldy years.
MTU -
Offer the Marlins – Hughes, Gardner, Betances, Mitchell and Warren. All young and low cost.
Would you give up Hughes and Granderson for either Trout or Stanton?
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In a heartbeat for Trout, who offers the whole package and would play center.
Stanton is strictly a corner OF’er and when I checked last week, he had 2 assists and 5 errors n RF.
We can dream!
Just sign Jorge Soler and bring up the soon to be 20 yo and take a chance. Then trade for the player at the deadline if that team is going nowhere.
Checking for guesses.
Al-
I would think Trout fishing is off limits in SoCal.
The license is off the charts expensive. Even if you could get one.
MTU-
Here’s a contract of the highest paid player on a team, if at the trading deadline, are out of contention for a playoff spot, that could realistically become available, but this GM wants young talent in return. He’s an outfielder.
12:$6.5M, 13:$8.5M, 14:$10.5M, 15:$10.5M
It’s Cespedes.
Sorry guys but your dreams are not destined to come true.
But we do have one heck of a good farm system.
YT-
I wouldn’t give that up for Cespedes.
That’s awfully expensive too.
I’ll take Soler-power instead and just wait.
YT -
If Stanton can catch the ball, and throw it to the cutoff man, he’s already 10 times better than Swisher, not counting his hitting.
I’ll take Heyward too.
MTU -
Do you remember all those negative posts about the Yankees FO insisting on signing Soriano? Where would we be today without him, in a deep pile of sh*t.
“Where’s that lazy a*s Blake this AM ?”
Lol….I see you had a bit too much shine last night wishing for Giancarlo
morning everyone! Happy Sunday…..Im fixin to head down to Hotlanta to see SuperNova tom night
MTU-
I never propsed any names for Cespedes.
AL-
I would do that trade for Stanton, if Gardner was healthy and could jump into CF
For Trout…..Id tell Dipoto to pick any 4 he wants out of the farm system….hes that good.
Al-
Yes. Sure do. He has definitely saved the day this year.
Blake-
Enjoy the game.
Catch ya’ all later. Time to change out the mop heads.
Behave YT.
Yanks should find out what both Heyward and Upton woukd cost…..both are off to slow starts but I donlubt either would want to sell.low on them.
Any deal for Upton would have to include Banuelos, Sanchez and Williams I would think…….they wouldnt ever deal him cheaply…..hes as talented as anybody in baseball and if he ever puts it together itll be Matt Kemp 2.0
Now back to reality:
If Gardner, after seeing Andrews, requires another month of rehab, without needing surgery, but with a chance that the soreness will not go away, what do you do armchair GM’s?
Continue with Jones/Ibanez/Nix/Wise?
Get Nunez prepared to play LF?
Trade for a player who will not impact the payroll beyond this year, from a team going nowhere?
YT -
After reading Cashman’s statement concerning Gardner, I got the impression the Yankees are convinced all he has/had was a bruised bone and muscle, and he’s already had enough time to heal.
It does not appear to be anything serious, having had several MRI’s already, and if Gardner is experiencing some not too serious pain in his none throwing arm, he should just play through it.
YT -
Depending on the severity of the pain, Gardner may have to learn to play through it. Afterall, he’ll not be the first player dealing with pains and going out and doing his job every day. Can you imagine if Posada sat every time he hurt, he would have missed half a season every year. Gardner needs to man up.
Blake-
Braves are in it to win it all and won’t want prospects for Heyward. They are concerned about what it will take to retain Boras client , Michael Bourn, a FA. They need another bat with power.
Swisher for Bourn, both FA’s. Moving Heyward to center in Atlanta.
YT -
If Dr. Andrews tells Gardner there is no problem, other than a bruise, and he can’t do any harm to himself if he plays, then he should put up with the discomfort and play, I would.
AL-
It’s Gardners non throwing, right arm. Also too much rest for elbow soreness will lead to stiffness, so definitely agree with you, if Andrews finds nothing surgical, then play thru it.
YT -
If you go with Nunez in LF, he’ll need time in AAA to get comfortable out there. When he played LF for the Yanks, he looked lost.
“Swisher for Bourn, both FA’s. Moving Heyward to center in Atlanta.”
Heyward isnt really a CFer…..like Bourn but hes close to the same player Gardner is…..but Gardner is looking to be fragile these days.
I think the Braves would want Granderson for Heyward…..and while ling term that may be good….Granderson is a lot better than Heyward right now so thatd make that a tough deal to sell in season……
AL-
Nunez, who is due off the DL, would indeed need time in the minors to get comfortable playing left. Month? More?
All this talk about trading for a top OF is fun, but most likely will never happen. If pressed to make a deal for an OF, Cashman will look to get by with a bandaid, rather than a long term solution.
YT –
I would think 4-6 weeks, and by that time its a moot point.
Off to walk the mops, back in a bit.
Nunez hasn’t started playing in Scranton yet and when he does it will be at SS.
Dickerson is back and might be ready in a week. He’s certainly better than the other options and would likely replace Wise on the roster.
Minnesota might want to move Willingham since they are soooo afwul and he’d be an ideal fit in the lineup, though not offering much speed.
He only makes $ 7 M in 2013 and 2014 which is manageable.
Cubs would pay the Yanks a lot to get rid of Soriano. But it would have to be almost all of the $ 50 M or so he still has coming.
Pitching matchups vs Yankees in Hotlanta:
Nova vs Delgado, who gets little run support. No Chipper-Yankees win.
CC vs lefty Minor-CC rebounds, Yankees win
Kuroda vs Hudson- If Kuroda is 100% this will be a good match-up. Possible sweep
Towers is a smart dude…..if he thinks his club is still a few pieces away and he can turn Upton in to those pieces then I could see him listening…..Upton starts making real money next year and will make roughly 10 milkion in 2013 then 15 in both 2014 and 2015…..thats a lot for the Dbacks.
It would take a big offer though IMO..
L
Anyone else notice Betances was flat out awful again last night…. 4 1/3, 4 W, 7 ER ??
Time to try him out of the pen as a two-pitch guy?
“Time to try him out of the pen as a two-pitch guy?”
Getting close
Willingham is interesting given that he could help this year and would give then an affordable option in RF next year……no way they can get Swisher back for what hes got left on his deal……Twins can be tough to deal with though so it just depends on price.
Have to go. Until later.
Have a great day everyone.
Blake, what you offer for Justin Upton?
I would think that Banuelos and Sanchez are the least available guys in the system, but without them I don’t see enough high end prospects to make a major deal like that.
Trading for Willingham means theyd havd his prorated salary for 2012 and then basically a 2/14 deal for 2013 and 2014 after that…..thats a pretty good deal and could help bridge the gap to the younger kids. …that actually makes a lot of sense and mighr be the best option for the Yanks at the trade deadlins if the Twins will deal fairly……
“Blake, what you offer for Justin Upton?”
A lot….but the closer he gets to free agency and the mkre expensive he gets the less you can offer……Towers has about a year to trade him if he wanta max return…..once he starts making 15 million a year thatll take a lot of players off the board. Id do Banuelos and Mason + would like to hold on to Sanchez though and Id think they would have less need for him as well with Montero…
Phelps/Warren and Laird get you Willingham?
Would like to hold on to Mustelier, Williams and Austin.
Toronto has to build an outfield around speed – skill. A great many don’t want to play upon artificial conditions. The best thing here ,………we never get rainouts. Jerry Howarth ( long time Jays and San Fran resident ), commented that the 2 best players he saw – Alomar , Mays . Mantle obviously gives them a run.
“Phelps/Warren and Laird get you Willingham?”
Not sure…..Phelps is definitely a Twins type pitcher though….
I’m not trading Phelps. Especially for Willingham.
Warren maybe.
Other Of possibilities could include Michael Cuddyer, Carlos Quentin, Cameron Maybin, Carlos Lee and Jonny Jones.
“I’m not trading Phelps. Especially for Willingham.”
What are the chances Phelps ever gets a real shot in the Yanks rotation? I like him a lot bht Id make that deal as it helps them this year and solves a corner outfield spot cheaply until some of their prospects are ready…..especially would do it if Gardner is going to be out all year.
86w183 June 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Anyone else notice Betances was flat out awful again last night…. 4 1/3, 4 W, 7 ER ??
Time to try him out of the pen as a two-pitch guy?
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His lack of control makes no sense coming out of the BP. At this point all I see in his future is trade bait, if that ship hasn’t already sailed.
Blake-
He’s the 6th Man, and IMO he’s really good.
Better than people give him credit for. Guys with his combo of command, stuff, and makeup are not all that common.
He’s being Noesi’ed out there in the pen right now.
I’d keep him except for someone really good. Not just a fill-in.
I think GGBG will be fine. We’ll see what Andrews has to say.
If they want to move a pitcher go with either Warren or Mitchell.
Lack of control/command is easier overcome out of fhe pen that the rotation …..Betances has issues repeating his delivery ….maybe he could do it in short bursts and maybe his stuff would play up such that he didnt need as good a command……I dont know….but they gotta fry somethibg soon if he keeps walking the world…….its been 7 years….at soke point you have to stop sayinf “hes tall itll come”.
Our best prospects are Banuelos, Williams, Sanchez, and Austin.
Not necessarily in that order.
Santana and Campos might be attractive to some too.
blake -
There was so much hype about the “B’s”, I have a feeling it was being put out by the Yanks to boost their trade value. Now 1 is gone, another continues to fail, and Manny is hit or miss. In my opinion the “B’s” are behind Phelps, Warren and Mitchell in all ares except the hype.
“Better than people give him credit for. Guys with his combo of command, stuff, and makeup are not all that common.”
Oh I agree…..I like him a lot…..just think they may need outfield help more over the next couple of years.
areas
Al-
Banuelos does not appear to be hype to me.
Once he sorts out the command issues he’ll be deadly.
He had an injury which affected him.
He’s very talented and very young, and he’s a left.
Has an absolutely sick CU.
He’s a keeper IMO.
Blake-
If he brings you back someone really good fine otherwsie he’s more valuable to us as a SP.
They can trade someone of lesser value for a fill-in.
AL,
I think Banuelos is legit still…..never been as high on Betances after seening him pitch ….dont like his delivery and think the chances that he ever learns to repeat it are pretry small….yes if he does he has big upside…..but the bust odds are much higher than the ceiling odds on him IMO.
sp: lefty. sorry.
Donnie Collins?@swbyankeesTT
David Robertson officially added to the SWB roster today, to begin rehab.
MTU -
OK, I’ll give you those points. Yes, he’s young, but has beed pitching 2 seasons in AAA, and needs to start showing progress, not just potential.
I like the Rangers approach, let them learn to throw 100 pitches in AAA, before bring them up, only to be babied at the ML level. SP in AAA are removed too early, and not allowed to pitch through tough situations. This is where they should be learning how to pitch, not at the ML level, IMO.
YT,
You did a good job suggesting possible diagnoses for Gardner’s elbow. It is very likely one of those conditions. It’s sure not a bruise after all this time.
If Gardner is out for the season, the Yankees must acquire an outfielder. Then, the question becomes whether to get a guy for this year only or one to ultimately replace Swisher. We all want the long term solution, but the minor league pitching has had an off year, particularly with the Bs.
Warren and/or Phelps could bring something, perhaps. I really don’t see the chips to do anything big unless they trade most of Charleston.
I’m with Blake — big guys and mechanical problems are more manageable in shorter stints.
Plus he can focus on fastball/breaking ball rather than trying to master a four pitch arsenal.
I’m keeping Banuelos off limits for now, Sanchez too. Will talk about anyone else, though.
Al-
Have you seen what happened to Feliz ?
I agree that Pitchers shouldn’t be babied too much but I also think the Verducci rules are for real.
Finding balance is where it’s at IMO.
Young arms are the most vulnerable. The risk decreases by about 25-26.
Manny is still very, very young.
I do agree that they should be thoroughly prepared at the MiLB level.
That means getting plenty of innings under their belt and learning how to pitch rather than to just throw.
Can’t believe how many of our young guys seem to be brought up w/o having fundamental skills.
If the Yankees want to rely on the Farm more they are going to have to do a better job at the MiLB level.
Personally, I think they’ll go back to their free-spending ways in a few years and the rest might become moot again.
MTU -
Feliz was bound to happen, he was not a SP, and if that was their plan, he should have played winter ball to help stretch him out.
The big difference is having a SP in AAA building up those innings over a longer period of time, so they can throw 100 pitches and 200 innings by the time they get to the ML.
MTU -
The first order of business should be hiring top quality coaches, and more of them for the MiL if you are really serious about building a home grown team, other wise open the wallet now, and to heck with the tax penalty.
Al-
I’m not sure Feliz was bound to happen except for the way they mishandled him.
The Rangers have been successful converting some of their relievers and not so successful with others.
To my my mind it makes sense to follow the Verducci rules which call for a gradual buildup of innings over time.
It’s not a gurantee but I think it helps.
Gotta run.
Catch you later.
Have a great day.
MTU -
Have a great day, I’m out as well.
From MLBTR
The Red Sox really like Jorge Soler, but they don’t appear to be the front-runners for him. On Friday we learned that the Cubs, Yankees, Braves, and Dodgers have been the most aggressive teams in the chase so far.
Amazing to see that the Yankees are now ahead of Texas in win percent
You’re not likely to get Upton with pitching. That’s not their need.
With such a lousy manager and GM, how is it possible that the Yanks have passed Texas?
GB 7 —- it’s the inspiration they draw from Lo-Hud!
MTU June 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Al-
I’m not sure Feliz was bound to happen except for the way they mishandled him.
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you….you mean that somebody else doesn’t know how to develop pitching? I thought that was the personal domain of Cashman?
Good morning. There was a lot of trading going on this morning
I’m terrible at playing armchair GM but, looking at the Mets they could really use a player like Swish, Nunez as well. I have no idea if they have anything worthwhile in return, but 1B and SS are areas of definite need for them. Swish would give them a lot of versatility.
Maybe a 3 team trade–YT a little help please.
Donnie Collins?@swbyankeesTT
Yanks are very interested. RT @RiverAveBlues: Report: Jorge Soler expected to agree to a contract “before tomorrow” http://rab.me/KcChGY
GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Donnie Collins?@swbyankeesTT
Yanks are very interested. RT @RiverAveBlues: Report: Jorge Soler expected to agree to a contract “before tomorrow” http://rab.me/KcChGY
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Looks like we will hear something soon
Good morning yankee fans . I am ashamed to say I missed the catch and took one on the old left eye. Everything seems fine and I’m ready to go today
Can the Jays win one ?
Maybe the situation with Gardner has spiked the Yankees’ interest in Soler.