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Rodriguez at DH

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 09, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Alex Rodriguez DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez LF
Nick Swisher RF
Eric Chavez 3B
Russell Martin C

RHP Phil Hughes

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239 Responses to “Rodriguez at DH”

  1. jmills June 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Hi Yankee fans ! I am really hoping my daughter gets me that retro Jays Stieb 37 jersey :)

  2. Ys Guy June 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    we HAD to get yu …he’s the second coming of dice k
    we HAD to sign johnny damon instead of ibanez…damon hitting .188
    we HAD to sign cespedes… now he can’t stay on the field

    we are so blessed to have such experts here…

  3. UnKnown June 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Hoping NYY is in first at the end of the night. I think they will be.

    Need some help from Ozzie’s fish.

  4. comet June 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Shame hope you enjoy the game tonight! Let’s see another win by Marty and the Devils!

  5. Dean Winters June 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    we are so blessed to have such experts here…

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    So ppl can’t make suggestions on how to improve the team

  6. DaveD June 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Darvish can’t improve? Not like he’s younger than Phil Hughes or anything, or that his ERA is percentage points behind CC’s currently, and pitching his first 12 starts in a new country.

    Ibanez is fine for his role. Any number of old, LHers with power who play only vs. RHP would rake in NYS — Giambi, Thome, Branyan, etc.

    Hard to draw conclusions about durability 60 games into the first season of someone’s career.

  7. Villa Nova-Ya June 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    J Alfred -

    If you’re still here -

    The “Noble Goal” I was referring to was the goal to win the World Series every year (in reference to someone else’s post), not the goal to get the payroll down to a particular number.

  8. jmills June 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Slider,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Stieb:)

  9. Ys Guy June 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    its not that people can’t make suggestions, its the absolute certainty that they are right. people were skewering cashman for signing ibanez instead of damon because he wasnt hitting in spring training.

    sure darvish can get better, but you’re not shelling out $110M on the hope that he can get better. but certain people here were absoultely certain he was going to be a cy young pitcher upon arrival… the yankees arent shelling out $110M for phil hughes.

    i have things id like to see them do differently, too, but i dont express my ideas as absolute certainties and i dont insult the people running the club for not being smart enough to see that i am always right.

  10. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    So ppl can’t make suggestions on how to improve the team

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    So ppl can’t suggest that most of those making suggestions to improve them don’t have a clue as to what they’re talking about? Hell, look at the trade suggestions. These teams aren’t just paying salaries. They are financing as many as 8 minor league teams, utilities to those stadiums, mortgages in more than a few. Do they make money…of course..That is their right. The trade and signing suggestions are generally beyond stupid. Just because one team wants a player, doesn’t mean the other is willing to give them up just because the Yankees are asking. Signing every FA that come down the road is equally beyond stupid just because he’s prettier than the guy holding the position. The payroll would be pushing $400 mil if fans got what they wanted. This winter, it was getting Darvish, Fielder, Soler, Hamels, etc. The people making those demands are who you want making trades? I wouldn’t let most of them run a lemon ade stand in the front yard.

  11. Nilsson June 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Yanks could sign that young Taiwanese shortstop (Lin?) and get Soler. Add them to the mix of recent amateur draftees, then it could be a nice influx of talent into the system. By all accounts they’re trying hard to get those two signed.

    I’m stunned that no one has complained about the lineup thus far.

  12. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Now that’s a trade that helped nobody. Marlon Byrd for Michael Bowden. Both have been DFA’s 2 months later.

  13. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    There are no line-up complaints yet because they’re trying to get word to Cashman and steinbrenner that they don’t know as much about baseball operations and baseball personnel as LoHuddians do.

  14. jmills June 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Make suggestions ! Stieb and my daughter will check you if you are somewhat ,………………..wrong :)

  15. I Am Winning June 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Ys and GB7,

    Entire posts are spot on.

  16. Nilsson June 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Hard to believe Michael Bowden already cleared waivers and outrighted. Gammons was so sure about him though lol.

  17. mick June 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Montero apologists abound.
    He hit a loud foul ball. He caught a no hitter. A “breathless” catch was made of an opposite field shot.
    Their ringleader brings the drama with every post.
    The genius acts bold but lacks in substance.
    There are few followers, most have moved on…

  18. CompassRosy June 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    MG ~

    I think only a couple of the “no-hit catchers” you listed were even decent hitters.
    Seems most here, whether they continue to follow him or not, agree that Jesus will be a great hitter. I can’t speak for all but, it seems those who recognized the significance of Jesus catching a no-no weren’t doing so to proclaim that particular feat automatically qualifies him for HoF but, more so to show that he is improving as a catcher and just maybe, he’s not as abysmal at the position as many experts analyzed. He’s already pretty great AT the plate and, at 22 only stands to improve. But, if he can also improve BEHIND the plate, well …
    a very nice MLB catching resume that will make.

  19. jmills June 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I have to look up what went on avec Winfield . In ’92, the guy was ,…………………..king.

  20. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Ken Rosenthal?@Ken_Rosenthal

    #Yankees’ Gardner had setback last night – soreness in right elbow. Will see doctor on Monday.

  21. Eroc June 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    “#Yankees’ Gardner had setback last night – soreness in right elbow. Will see doctor on Monday.”

    This should compel the Yankees to increase their bid for Solar even more.

  22. William Buckner June 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Gardner setback ensures NYY will trade for corner OF. Darvish was a good pass. His era is misleading. 1.5 whip. We’ve seen this act before. He’s making a start today in Boston.

  23. yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Ugh about Gardner, but he had said it was sore before game, so I am not surprised… not good.

  24. njsketch June 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    i dont think we can count on gardner at all this year…that may be our trade deadline need…corner outfielder / speed

  25. William Buckner June 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Solar is long term support, not immediate. I would love them to be aggressive for OF cause Swisher is gone after this year. Melky?

  26. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Shocking as it may be, Matsuzaka lost his perfect game to the first batter in the 2nd inning..home run to LaRoche.

  27. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Bryan Hoch?@BryanHoch

    Brett Gardner suffers setback; out until at least All-Star break http://wp.me/p1rXvG-8X3Q

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    Just like sliding head first into first (or any bag), I’d like to see players put an end to sliding to catch flies in the outfield. It doesn’t get them to the ball faster. Just leads to hand and wrist injuries.

  28. luis June 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Hello everyone,

    Blake,

    Yup i am eating real well in here! ;) thanks for asking.

  29. Eroc June 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Willingham, Quinton, Coco Crisp, Seth Smith, or Carlos Lee will be a Yank by July 31st

  30. Giuseppe Franco June 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Hard to believe, but it seems possible that they may not get Gardner back at all this season.

  31. luis June 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Hi YF,

    Are you and JAP going to YS?

  32. randy l. June 9th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    “Should they allow Les Moss into the HOF without a ticket? after all, he caught Bobo Holloman’s ’53 no-hitter, the winner of 3 ML games, or Jeff Torbog, who caught Koufax’ and Ryan’s no hitters and 2 others.”

    was lee moss a catcher?

    was jeff torborg a catcher?

    damn, you sure seem to be trying to point out montero is a catcher like these guys are. i thought the yankees didn’t think he was one.

    just curious,why does it bother you so much that the yankees screwed up in their evaluation of montero ?

    you didn’t make the evaluation.

    you don’t strike me as someone who tows the party line.

  33. luis June 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    What’s going on with Gardy? Could it be that he needs TJS?

  34. BIG AL June 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Upton having an off year so far, and is having trouble with his manager. I wonder if he could be pryed away in a deal good for both sides.

    Despite his slow start, his upside is great, IMO.

  35. LGY June 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Gritner :(

    They need to call up Dickerson.

  36. 28 RINGS June 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Maybe joeman was right about Gardner

  37. BIG AL June 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Justin Upton of the D-Backs that is.

  38. luis June 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Big Al,

    In exchange for what?….That’s the crux of the issue….On top of that, it wouldn’t help the already one dimensional lineup the Yankees have.

  39. 28 RINGS June 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    They need to trade for a long term solution. Get Upton or Car-Go.

    Then again, this just reinforces why it was dumb to waste their lotto ticket on a pitcher. They will bleed hard now if they try and acquire one of those young stud position players.

  40. luis June 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    BIG AL June 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Justin Upton of the D-Backs that is.

    ========================

    My bad, i thought you were referring to BJ Upton.

  41. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Randy, he caught the no hitter. He didn’t throw one. Never saw Posada or girardi get much credit for catching any. Just getting rather tired of every time Montero farts, some clown acts like he’s spraying perfume in their faces. I hated the trade, but, damned, it’s over with. Move on and enjoy the season. as long as what Montero does at the plate doesn’t affect the Yankees, he’s just another enemy player.

  42. Dean Winters June 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    njsketch June 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    i dont think we can count on gardner at all this year

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    This

    unfortunately because he adds a different dynamic to the team.

  43. Dean Winters June 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    They need to trade for a long term solution. Get Upton or Car-Go.

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    Didn’t Car-Go just extend with the Dodgers

  44. DaveD June 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    I’d give up anything except Sanchez and Banuelos for Justin Upton

    Romine, Mason Williams, DePaula, Rafy Santana, Bichette, Warren, Betances, Marshall, Austin, etc. Not all of them of course, but I’d put together a package with some of those guys.

  45. luis June 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Randy, he caught the no hitter. He didn’t throw one. Never saw Posada or girardi get much credit for catching any. Just getting rather tired of every time Montero farts, some clown acts like he’s spraying perfume in their faces. I hated the trade, but, damned, it’s over with. Move on and enjoy the season. as long as what Montero does at the plate doesn’t affect the Yankees, he’s just another enemy player.

    ===============================

    I do understand your point. But what’s wrong if some people comment on it? Why some people take issue of his name being brought up?

  46. yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Hi luis, comment ca va? No, I am not attending tonight, but sorry to miss any of Hughes’ starts, as I try to go to most of them. Will you get to watch? Not sure if Pruf is attending. Le Fils was tres heureux last night. Good for him. Did you see the game? How’s Paris?

  47. Villa Nova-Ya June 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    They don’t need simply a corner outfielder; they need someone who is also capable of giving Granderson a rest every now and then.

  48. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    The Rockies traded Gonzalez to the Dodgers? shocking.

  49. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    some comment on Montero? Every damned day? Every damed post? People act like the Yankees stole their dog. That’s why many are sick of the mention of his name.

  50. randy l. June 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    thanks gb7 . i really was puzzled where you were coming from. so we’re on the same page as far as hating the trade.

    where we seem to differ is how we react to the yankee management who made the trade.

    to me when someone messes up there needs to be accountability .

    the yankees have never come out and said exactly what they think about montero’s catching ability, but we have to assume they evaluated him as being a very bad catcher. the trade makes no sense unless they did.

    so how do you move on when the same dumb asses are there who made a bad trade?

    it’s not about montero at this point. it’s about the idiots who are going to be making more trades come trading deadline.

  51. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Justin Upton is starting be like his brother. He plays if he feels like it. Easy to see that that trait is alive.

  52. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    randy l. June 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    thanks gb7 . i really was puzzled where you were coming from. so we’re on the same page as far as hating the trade.

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    I never said any differently. I did on the other hand, get over it. and whether some care to believe it or not, not everything that goes wrong is Girardi’s, Cashman’s or steinbrenner’s fault. Crap happens. Players get traded and players get hurt.

  53. luis June 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Hi luis, comment ca va? No, I am not attending tonight, but sorry to miss any of Hughes’ starts, as I try to go to most of them. Will you get to watch? Not sure if Pruf is attending. Le Fils was tres heureux last night. Good for him. Did you see the game? How’s Paris?

    ===========================

    Tre bien mon ami!…Paris is beautiful with excellent weather!..No i haven’t seen much. I saw Vato’s outing and a little of CC’s. Nova was outstanding the 8 innings i saw from him.

  54. igotid88 June 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    jacksquat June 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    His raw numbers (4-4, 4.96 ERA, 1.35 WHIP) seem slightly worse than what would be expected. All metrics point to him pitching into some bad luck, especially when you factor in a career-worst home-run rate.

    Hughes gave up a lot of homers because he threw a lot of pitches up and over the plate, not because of bad luck. This is where watching the games matters. People are taking this “luck” thing too far.
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    They didn’t say the home runs were bad luck. They said he was pitching to bad luck. And there was at least 1 hr that was bad luck. The first game against the Angels in YS.

  55. yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    GB, at least I did it in French. ;) And seriously, the biggest Montero supporters have barely been in here for days, and he is still mentioned ad nauseum by the M. bashers. So, maybe discuss with those who more often bring him up than his fans? Also in this case he caught a “no no,” so those of us who don’t categorically despise him were happy for him. It was late night and the only reason the discussion gets protracted is because people copy and drag that discussion into the new day’s thread. FWIW, I am civil unlike many, although why I am I really don’t know, considering all the BS that goes on here. And I can’t be responsible for how people react. Everything gets conflated here, and no one differentiates in terms of who is posting what anyway. If people would just talk about what they want and ignore what they aren’t interested in, things would work out for the best. You don’t want to hear about Montero, fair enough for you. My contention is the game threads where every other post is a competition instead of about the Yankees or rooting? Untenable.

  56. DaveD June 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    The last baseball games I saw in Paris was AJ Burnett blowing that 6-0 lead in Fenway in 2009. I left the bar at around 3 AM the night before, so I didn’t see Jason Bay hit that bomb off MO. Needless to say, two of the worst games the Yankees have lost.

  57. mick June 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    YF
    Nobody is stopping you from conversing about whatever you want.

  58. Villa Nova-Ya June 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    The last game I saw in Paris was on the 4th of July at a bar that was owned by Canadians (no kidding) and Bernie Williams was up to bat!

  59. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Does Hughes give up home runs/ Yep. but, only 3 have come with runners on base and only one of those had more than 1 runner on. Only twice has he given up more than one homer in a game. 2 being the most. Want a list of HOFers that gave up a lost of homers?

  60. luis June 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    GB7,

    I know you hated the trade. As Randy said, is not about him anymore. I very seldom bring his name on. The problem is that it is affecting the team and will affect it even more. I know people make mistakes, but in this case was monumental. The rotation as expected has become a strength but our lineup is aging. They will eventually trade for a bat, the problem will be the prize

  61. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    ***lot*** of homers

  62. mick June 9th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    “so those of us who don’t categorically despise him were happy for him.”
    =================================
    who despises Jesus?
    that’s not what this is about and you know it.

  63. luis June 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Villa and Dave,

    Right now everybody here is either watching the Roland Garros or the Eurocopa. I will try to saty awake to see master Hughes outing tonight though. I have to take a plane back home tomorrow

  64. LGY June 9th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Win Win. Get to go to the game tonight and annoy Levine because I bought the tickets on StubHub.

  65. Dean Winters June 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    So ppl can’t make suggestions on how to improve the team

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    So ppl can’t suggest that most of those making suggestions to improve them don’t have a clue as to what they’re talking about? Hell, look at the trade suggestions. These teams aren’t just paying salaries. They are financing as many as 8 minor league teams, utilities to those stadiums, mortgages in more than a few. Do they make money…of course..That is their right. The trade and signing suggestions are generally beyond stupid. Just because one team wants a player, doesn’t mean the other is willing to give them up just because the Yankees are asking. Signing every FA that come down the road is equally beyond stupid just because he’s prettier than the guy holding the position. The payroll would be pushing $400 mil if fans got what they wanted. This winter, it was getting Darvish, Fielder, Soler, Hamels, etc. The people making those demands are who you want making trades? I wouldn’t let most of them run a lemon ade stand in the front yard.

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    The only person making outrageous trades/signing suggestions on a regular basis is Duh Innings but he does that on every blog/board. No one wants an all-star at every position or a 400 million dollar payroll. They just want to improve the areas of the team that could use a boost from a different face.

  66. Pat M. June 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Brain freeze play by Kinsler……..Dodgers are hot for Soler

  67. Villa Nova-Ya June 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    I don’t know that the Montero trade is affecting this team this year. There really is no way to know, because the dynamics would be different. It’s all conjecture. We’d all love to think that Montero would be the bomb here in NY (cause he was last September!). But ARod would still be ARod, and they would not be moving Montero into ARod’s slot. He’d be in Ibanez’ spot likely. And Ibanez has really been doing a very good job. And one of the problems would be, who would be playing LF? It sure seems as though Jones has an issue, because he hasn’t been in the field for a while (perhaps still knee problems?) and Montero can’t play LF. Neither can Russell Martin.

    So, for this year, I don’t think not having Montero is particularly hurting the Yankees.

    But I do think that in the long run he would have been a player that the Yankees would have liked to have had.

  68. luis June 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    mick June 9th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    “so those of us who don’t categorically despise him were happy for him.”
    =================================
    who despises Jesus?
    that’s not what this is about and you know it.

    ==========================

    Hi Mick,

    No it isn’t, but as soon as someone brings him up, some people jump for the jugular. I wasn’t on the blog, but i saw some of the comments. This shouldn’t be so divisive. The consequences of the move on the other hand are and will be.

  69. yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    I believe 5 of the first ten Hughes HR’s were on cutters, no? And it was just bad location. Hope to see continuing good FB command tonight.

    Luis, glad to hear your enjoying Paris.

  70. yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    *you’re

  71. tucker June 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    My problem with the trade was the “you can always get a bat” justification.

    It’s been rehashed, but much of the young talent in baseball is on the mound — not the batter’s box.

  72. GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Jones plays well in spurts, like last year. Generally, it’s shortly after having his knee drained as he did 3 or 4 times last year.

  73. yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    LGY, enjoy it, but Yanks do get a percentage, which will hopefully go to the IFA fund. :)

  74. Dean Winters June 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    The Rockies traded Gonzalez to the Dodgers? shocking.

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    Typo sorry about that

  75. Tar June 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    I agree with YF on the Montero talk.

    “IF” there is blame to place it goes to both sides. There are no innocents when it comes to discussing Montero. For every J Alfred against the trade, there is a Stone for it. For every Randy there is a Mick. Etc…
    You are all to blame. :twisted:

    But really just ignore if at all possible. If not, attack the post and not the poster.

  76. luis June 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    YF,

    Yup, the cutters were the main culprits for the high amount of homers. The less he uses that pitch, the better

  77. luis June 9th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Tar June 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    I agree with YF on the Montero talk.

    “IF” there is blame to place it goes to both sides. There are no innocents when it comes to discussing Montero. For every J Alfred against the trade, there is a Stone for it. For every Randy there is a Mick. Etc…
    You are all to blame. :twisted:

    But really just ignore if at all possible. If not, attack the post and not the poster.

    ==================================

    +1

  78. yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    luis, thankfully, Hughes only threw one cutter last game vs. Detroit. (Miggy’s last AB in the 9th.)

  79. luis June 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Tar,

    Only one thing….I wouldn’t equate JAP to Stone…

  80. Tar June 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    I think I just called Randy Yin

    And Mick—- Randy”s Yang

  81. randy l. June 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    ” not everything that goes wrong is Girardi’s, Cashman’s or steinbrenner’s fault. Crap happens. Players get traded and players get hurt.”

    gb7-

    this doesn’ t mean that girardi, cashman, or steinbrenner are always right either. sometimes it isn’t that crap happens , sometimes someone makes crap happen.

    that’s my position. the yankes made a crap decision with montero. i’d like for them to eliminate whoever did it from the organization or severely reprimand him.

    i don’t think you think i think everything the yankees as an organization do is crap. for example i openly root for kuroda and he was a clear cashman signing.

    yankee management is accountable . they don’t get a pass because crap happens.
    it’s their job to get past that.

  82. theREALkevin June 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    It’s always the same here. Some people are confident with their opinions and aren’t afraid to say an MLB team might be wrong about something. And then there are others who are total apologists, think MLB teams can do no wrong ever (especially the Yankees), and condemn anyone here who speaks their opinion with confidence. Especially an opinion that dissents from what the Yankees think, or one that might DARE come off as too “expert-like”. Give me a ****in break.

  83. luis June 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    yankeefeminista June 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    luis, thankfully, Hughes only threw one cutter last game vs. Detroit. (Miggy’s last AB in the 9th.)

    =================================

    I don’t think i saw that one. The last cutter i remember ended up in the bleachers.

  84. Pat M. June 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Tin Cup…..If your still here, of course The Dodgers being on the wrong side of a no hitter last night came up at today’s baseball brunch gathering……Your boy Montero’s name came up briefly ……Did you know that his pop times are the slowest in the game and as much as the Mariners have been working with on this footwork there’s a feeling that he’s never going to get any better……..The shared opinion by the few who earn a paycheck that has a MLB Team’s attached to it still think he’s a 2nd / 3rd string catcher defensively…………Jerkface, you used Matt Kemp as a comparision to Montero’s whiff %……Your reaching in the wrong barrel

  85. theREALkevin June 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    That being said, let’s take the series tonight!!

    F the Mets.

  86. randy l. June 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    “But really just ignore if at all possible. ”

    tar-

    ok, just for the hell of it, i’ll try your approach. i’ll ignore every one i think is a dumb ass.

    just absolutely snub them :)

    it will be an experiment starting now.

  87. Against All Odds June 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    AndrewMarchand Cashman said he doesn’t want to “overexpose the old guys.” Ibanez and Jones.

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    I smell a trade coming :)

  88. luis June 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Pat M,

    Do you have friends in the scout community?…. About Montero, i don’t think that his pop times will be that important as long as he hits…He is a good receiver, has soft hands and he will eventually frame the pitches very well… Some teams will run on him, but i don’t think that’s as important as receiving and framing pitches.

  89. Tar June 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Luis

    There was no intention to equate quality, I didn’t mean it like it that. Just for every post against the trade there has been a post for. Yet it is the posts against that get the bad rap.

    Randy

    Attack the post leave the poster out of it.

    And leave Trish alone, we will all welcome that. I am now stepping down from my soapbox.

  90. Jerkface June 9th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

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    so how did nettles become one of the best fielding third baseman ever? the same reason he could hit balls into the upper deck. lightening fast hands. and the desire to work really hard getting better.
    i’ve run sprints with nettles and i’ve caught behind him in live BP . i know how fast he was and how fast his bat speed was. montero even though a catcher is in a similar situation.

    all montero has to do is work his butt off like nettles did and he’ll be pretty good defensively back there.

    pop times can be improved. montero has a really good arm. he’s going to have to find a way to get the throw off in a way that minimizes the slow feet. he needs to get to 20 % throwing out runners. to me that’s a minimum level catchers should be at. i’d like to see him get to 25%. that would be better.

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