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Yankees finish off road trip sweep

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 17, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan Nova won his fifth straight start this afternoon, pitching the Yankees to a 4-1 win that finished off a series sweep in Washington. The Yankees have now swept three straight series, including all six games on this National League road trip. They’ve won 19 of their past 23 and head home with the best record in the American League. Nova allowed one run through 7.2 innings, with the only Nationals run coming on a solo homer. The Yankees got solo shots from Curtis Granderson and Robinson Cano, who were two of four Yankees to have more than one hit in the game. Rafael Soriano got his 13th save of the season.

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205 Responses to “Yankees finish off road trip sweep”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    YES!!!!!!!

    LOVE ME MY SORI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Good waiters get good tips, gang!

    :)

  2. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Another great pitching outing leads us to another sweep. Keep it going, C.

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Well we owed them. They swept us at the Stadium last time they played us there.

    :)

  4. MG June 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    this has been as impressive a 9 game run as I can remember for a Yankees team.

    Not only 9 wins in a row, but each starter has gone deep and 6 of the wins were on the road in NL parks without a DH.

    The best part is that they can only improve at the plate, particularly with RISP.

    They will run away with the AL East, the O’s aren’t going to stay this close and the Rays just aren’t that good…

  5. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Pitching is ruling the day in the organization. Yanks 4-1, Scranton, 6-2, Trenton, 4-0, Charleston no score in the bottom of the 4th.

  6. Against All Odds June 17th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Untuck FTW

  7. JobaTipsHisCap June 17th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Sweep braves again? Lol

  8. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    GB-

    “Pitching is ruling the day in the organization.”

    That’s gonna make Randy really unhappy.

    :)

  9. Benny Blanco June 17th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Nova is 9-2. There were posters on here that said he would stink this year

  10. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Anyone still interested in trading Ivan the Great ?

    Didn’t think so.

    ;)

  11. bruceb June 17th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    All this winning sure is taxing the bullpen! We could be dangerous when we start hitting with RISP. Mind you, that’s probably when the pitching will start to suck. Always the positive thought with me!!!

  12. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    MTU, said the same earlier. Our pitching was always going to be killah.

  13. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    YF-

    Yes M’am.

    It just needed to round into form.

    It has.

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “Untuck FTW”

    :)

    And not that you want to brag about it, but the Yanks are still 26th in the majors with RISP.

    **************

    Speaking of which, of the top 10 teams, dealing with RISP, 2 are 1st place teams, 3 are 3rd place team, 2 are 4th place teams, and 3 are 5th place teams.

    Of the top 10 teams in pitching, 8 are 1st or 2nd place teams.

    Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching!

  15. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    I like it when every time your SP goes out there he gives you a decent chance to win.

    :)

  16. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    MTU, yep. Nice to come back with C at the Stadium when the position players have played so many innings. I want to see that good early FB command.

  17. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    YF-

    CC is due for a big game.

    And to get on a mid-season roll.

    Watch for it.

    ;)

  18. randy l. June 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    “Pitching is ruling the day in the organization.”

    “That’s gonna make Randy really unhappy.”

    mtu-

    i heard that :)

  19. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    MTU, he couldn’t locate early in that Thursday Rays game I attended but then he settled down and was nasty. The warm temperatures should help. But he will find a way to win even when he doesn’t have his best stuff. However, I always expect his best stuff. He is a beast to watch work live.

  20. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Referring to *CC

  21. randy l. June 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    mtu-

    run differential , run differential, run differential

    pitching is one part of that equation.

    “part” is the operative word.

  22. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Sorry Randy.

    Couldn’t resist.

    Just funnin’ ya’.

    Pitching has been oustanding though.

    YF-

    I never worry too much about Mister CC.

    But as you know he’s just not an Ace.

    :)

  23. luis June 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Sweep!!! I called it!!

    Hello everyone,

    Sorry I missed most of the game. Just checking in the score and I find this great news!

    I read a couple of comments that I feel the need to respond though:

    What this run has shown is that we never needed more pitching to start with. And contrary to some believers, it is an indictment more than a praise for the GM. We have basically the same pieces before the trade performing as some of us expected. The only not expected addition has been Pettitte, that’s has been a very good one. We still have some depth left on the pitching side dispite the number of injuries the team has sustained. If we would have standed pat we would still have Noesi as well.

    The only thing this shows is that the FO has a problem at evaluating their own talent. Worse, there is a tendency to overvalue other teams talent.

    Having said that, it is very good to see the club winning on a consistent basis. Hopefully we can keep this up.

  24. PacoDooley June 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Nova’s ERA down to 4.32. Prior to his last 3 starts it was 5.60. That is a very impressive run – 22.2 innings pitcher and 2 earned runs.

  25. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
    GB-

    “Pitching is ruling the day in the organization.”

    That’s gonna make Randy really unhappy.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    MTU,

    That miserable old trout was born unhappy.

    Just kidding, Randy

  26. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Randy-

    I know you like you’re mashin’.

    Gives you the warm fuzzies.

    We have hit a ton of dingers.

  27. PacoDooley June 17th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Amazing to see Hughes and Nova on similar runs after weak starts. Hughes started three games ago with an ERA of 5.64 and finished his last start at 4.50 after 21.1 innings and only four earned runs.

    What a run for this team. I believe they also started this recent winning run (not the streak, but the 19 of 23) in last place in the AL East and now have the best record in the AL and tied for the fewest losses in baseball.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    “run differential , run differential, run differential”

    Not necessarily accurate. A team that averages 3 runs a game but only gives up an average of 1 will probably end of going farther than a team that gives up an average of 8 runs a game but scores an average of 12. The run differential of the first team will be smaller than that of the second.

  29. LGY June 17th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    In Sherman’s column today, he said there are still a lot of executives who believe the Red Sox will win the ALE :lol:

  30. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    LGY-

    Whatever it is that they have been smoking I’d like to have some of it.

    :)

  31. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Let’s see if I got this right?

    Yankees can’t win because they only hit home runs.

    Yankees can’t win because their pitchers giv up too many homers.

    Yankees can’t win because their defense sucks and they have no range and outfielders can’t throw.

    How are they leading the league with the best record with so many flaws?

  32. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    MTU, I hear ya, CC “Not an Ace” Sabathia leading a pitching staff that was flashing a June 2.14 ERA before today’s game but we can’t pitch. Got it.

  33. PacoDooley June 17th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    While I’m at it – Kuroda started four games ago with an ERA of 4.56 and ended his last start at 3.43 after 4 ERs in 28 IP.

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    “What this run has shown is that we never needed more pitching to start with.”

    I respectfully but definitely disagree with this assessment luis. The Yankees did not have Pettitte, nor did the Yankees have Kuroda. So it’s just plain wrong to say the yankees never needed more SP to start with. And you have no idea whatsoever how things would have turned out if the Yankees still had Noesi.

    So I see it as total praise for the GM, who apparently knows what every GM knows. You can never have enough pitching.

    And some of you kept talking about how easy it would be to just use the kids from down below. Well I think we’ve all seen that the kids from down below are not yet major-league ready.

    The Pineda part of the trade was not just for this season, as we all know.

    I still think the trade was a good and necessary one.

  35. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    The Melkman Delivers group of melkmen travelled to Seattle to watch Melky play. lol.

  36. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    luis says:
    June 17, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    The only thing this shows is that the FO has a problem at evaluating their own talent. Worse, there is a tendency to overvalue other teams talent.

    ———-

    So, let me see if I get this straight …

    Best record in the A.L. + 19 out of 23 + extended eun of lights out starting pitching = “Indictment” against Front Office.

    Got it.

    Wonder what Omar Minaya is doing these days.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Answer: Yanks can pitch!

    Who knew??? /sarcasm

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    GB – guess they got it wrong, but you know that uncle is one of the most difficult words in the English language, when it comes to being able to pronounce it.

    :D

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    LGY June 17th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    In Sherman’s column today, he said there are still a lot of executives who believe the Red Sox will win the ALE
    ////

    Love is blind.

  40. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    eun = run.

    Where’s auto correct when you need it?

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    On the other hand, my uncle reminded me the other day that it certainly appears that I made a bad call on Kuroda.

    And as I have said now on various occassions, my uncle has always told me to be forthright when it comes to being able to speak with integrity and so I will continue to say that it appears the Yankees got it right and I got it wrong with respect to Kuroda.

    GO YANKEES!!!

    On the other hand, my uncle has always agreed with me that it was going to be the SP getting it straight that would turn this team around, not finding an impact bat.

    :)

  42. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    omar is probably enjoying the mets thriving with the guys he brought into the system.

  43. tomingeorgia June 17th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Ys Guy,
    And getting paid for it.

  44. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    btw omar is the sr. vp of baseball operations for the padres.

  45. Carlo June 17th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Got nothing to say, just extremely pleased with our pitching and the record to date. Its been a beautiful few weeks, here’s to hoping it continues.

    Happy fathers day to the dads out there.

  46. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    June 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    omar is probably enjoying the mets thriving with the guys he brought into the system.

    ——-

    As he was signing guys like Jason Bay, Luis Castillo, et al.

  47. LGY June 17th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    @pada5something: Just got done watching a super nova!!! -Clay Rapada

    :D

  48. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    June 17, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    btw omar is the sr. vp of baseball operations for the padres.

    ——-

    No way! Are you serious?

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    MTU, I return your greeting, by way of luis.

    Hello, yourself :D . Nice to see you.

  50. Tabbert June 17th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Soriano Untuck thing is starting to grow on me. Every time he comes in for the save, i tuck in my shirt… when he gets the save, i untuck with him. Can’t stop now… seems to be good luck.

  51. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    JAP-

    Ain’t life grand.

    Good to see you too !

    :)

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Speaking of luis,

    Primo, agree about the indictment of the GM. Although I am glad to see they have stuck with Hughes and did not trade or Joba him. Now, let’s see if they wake up on Joba himself /kneelsandprays

  53. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    What I want to know is what secret message, or picture does Rafael have tucked under his hat ?

    ;)

  54. Against All Odds June 17th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Soriano Untuck thing is starting to grow on me. Every time he comes in for the save, i tuck in my shirt… when he gets the save, i untuck with him. Can’t stop now… seems to be good luck.

    —————-

    And the Yankees don’t have a problem with it so.

  55. Against All Odds June 17th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Now, let’s see if they wake up on Joba himself

    ———————–

    Never going to happen

  56. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    i believe omar also brough in gee, niese, davis, duda, murphy, turner, thole, valdespin, harvey, parnall, mejia and johan santana.

  57. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Yanks have quietly been busy signing 17 of their 41 draft picks.

  58. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    MTU, he won’t tell but it has something to do with his faith.

  59. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Odds, never say never.

  60. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
    What I want to know is what secret message, or picture does Rafael have tucked under his hat ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    A photo of Kate Upton. That would make me finish the game fast, too.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    MTU, I hope your loved one is feeling better with better prognosis.

    I’m likely going to see SI Yanks at Mets’ short-season A affiliate team the Cyclones in Brooklyn tomorrow, as long as I feel ok when I wake up tomorrow.

    The reason that this is momentous is I will be taking in one Ravel Santana for the first time. (He of the 5-tool advanced billing). I am pretty jazzed about that. I think Yankeefem is making that game, too. Don’t know about anyone else, but anyone near Brooklyn might want to get themselves there :D .

  62. tomingeorgia June 17th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    One of the nicest stretches of Yankee baseball I’ve seen in years. I think it will continue tomorrow, too. We’ve got all the tools we need, and our guys will be trade magnets if we need something in July. Nice place to be, maybe the best record in baseball after tonight. All this with an incompetent FO and robotic manager. Whodathunkit?

  63. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    speaking of omar’s gaffes, did anyone notice the new pitcher for the mariners, ollie perez?

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    I’d just love to get more detail on how ANYTHING happening is an indictment on the GM. If Montero were still here, would there still be negative talk about Cashman? I’m doubting so.

    Tough to argue with success. Cashman put the current pieces into place.

    Is he perfect? No, but neither is anyone else. On balance Cashman’s made a ton of good calls – that is the calls he got to make.

  65. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    YF-

    With Rafael’s deadpan there is no clue.

    Not a hint.

    For all we know it could be his bank statement for that day.

    In all seriousness, I suspect you’re right.

    :)

  66. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    June 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    i believe omar also brough in gee, niese, davis, duda, murphy, turner, thole, valdespin, harvey, parnall, mejia and johan santana.

    ——

    The first 3 names are interesting. That’s it.

    Meta are going nowhere, it will take years to turn that around.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    MTU, apparently I missed some information. Whatever is happening with you and your loved ones, I will keep it in prayer and hope for the best for you all.

  68. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    i think it might be a little early to dismiss valdespin harvey and mejia and santana is pretty damn good, too. murphy duda, and turner are just parts, but they fit this year anyway.

  69. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    MTU, there was a Rays story a few years ago on Sori’s ritual. I will find the link.

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Well the one thing I’ve seen Sori do each time he’s done pitching is to make the sign of the cross. That’s enough for me to feel fine about whatever else he decides to do.

    :)

  71. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    JAP-

    I wish I could join you but the fuel for my private jet has gotten prohibitively expensive of late.

    :(

    GB-

    I think it would someone of the Latin variety.

    Perhaps the Dominican version.

    Sure as heck would not be Betty Grable.

    :)

  72. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Sori is very religious. Found it; here’s the link.

    http://www.tampabay.com/sports.....no/1125777

  73. Against All Odds June 17th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Odds, never say never.

    —————–

    I will say never because they will never go back on it

  74. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    MTU, ask Alex if you can use his Jet to fly to Brooklyn. I am sure he will be happy to accommodate you. You can double as documentary photographer and take pics of Coney Island.

  75. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    June 17, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    i think it might be a little early to dismiss valdespin harvey and mejia and santana is pretty damn good, too. murphy duda, and turner are just parts, but they fit this year anyway.

    —–

    We’ll see.

    Would love for the Yankees to meet ‘em and best ‘em in the WS, if they do turn it around sooner than I expect.

  76. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Odds, info on the ritualistic “untuck” at end of Sori article that I posted above. :)

  77. igotid88 June 17th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    TheDA53 Cano? Canyes! #Yankees
    2 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite
    ———————————-

    It’s a little too close to my Ca-YES. Somebody better lawyer up

  78. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    YF-

    I would to bag my first photo of a Centaur.

    Thank you for the well wishes JAP.

  79. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    edit: “like to”. sorry

  80. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    i think we’ve just finished watching the most likely WS opponent for this year.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    I can’t believe how little information there is on the SWB team. It’s extremely frustrating. If I didn’t have a life, I would have holed up in Rochester on some priceline gig for the duration. I wish to hell Ashmore was the guy on that beat instead of Collins, although it isn’t the latter’s fault since his newspaper isn’t bankrolling him to spend much time up there.

    I still think, though, that Ashmore would try harder to get information, has better contacts, and is more enlightened about the game of baseball, and therefore knows what questions to put to coaches, players, managers.

    It really can’t be said enough how outstanding Mike Ashmore’s (of Thunder Thoughts website) work has been, and what a great window he gave fans into what the thinking was with the Thunder and the Pitching Coordinator when the Killer Bs were here.

    I actually couldn’t find info on a Betances start THIS year, with him at AAA. I sent to the SWB blog and there was nothing, so I, somewhat sheepishly, emailed Ashmore,( who was actually in Philadelphia covering the NHL playoffs down there and who does not cover the Yankees’ AAA team any way, but the AA team) and asked him if he knew what was going on with that night’s start… He immediately responded, told me he was covering hockey, but that he’d phone around to see what was happening. I found out in the interim, but he was still trying to find out for me, while covering an NHL playoff game. The guy is the greatest, and he should get a big league job in baseball, like, immediately.

    Cap tip to you Mike, if you’re reading! Keep up the stellar work and thanks for being such a great guy.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Ys Guy, if that is correct, won’t it also be the most unlikely? I love how these teams can suddenly put it together. I guess some of the props for finishing at the bottom end up paying off. What I love even more is when the players really bond as a core and decide they want to stay where they are as opposed to wander to greener pastures. Adam Jones just did that with Baltimore. And Votto did it with Cincy.

  83. Pat M. June 17th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    You’re a classy dame Tricia !!!

  84. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Ashmore always does go the extra yard. Hopefully, SWB’s field is done by beginning of 2013. However, that isn’t a slam dunk. The coverage is brutal. FWIW, happy to see we’ll have SI broadcasts this season.

  85. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Hello again,

    I posted from the BB. But i am back home so i can write better this time.

    Trish,

    They already knew that Pettitte and Kuroda could be had by the time of the trade. So they could have stood pat if they believed on what they had and what they could get through FA. Time has proven that they didn’t need more pitching.

    Dionysious,

    Again, you missed the point. Some posters were praising the GM. I honestly don’t think that he should be praised, if any, he should be indicted for the bad move.

    Yes, we are on a very good run. If we don’t make the trade, we would still be in this run plus we would have Noesi and Montero.

    Besides, your comment seems a little condescending, don’t you think ;) Disagree if you want, save your sarcasm to others please.

    JAP,

    I am very glad too…Let’s hope they give the shot that Joba deserves as a SP.

  86. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Thank you trisha.

    It’s been an ongoing issue with a loved one.

    The problem is in a quiesent state for now.

    Your prayers are welcome and much appreciated.

  87. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Greetings luis.

    Thanks for passing my messages along.

    :)

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    yankeefem – I’m glad you chimed in. I realize it sounds like the guy is my buddy or something, and that I’m trying to give him a plug. The truth is, I’ve never met him in person, and only have asked questions in Thunder Thoughts comments section.

    Do you know, not only has he answered me, he has asked questions of Phelps and Betances that I had asked him in that section to ask, and posted the answers. That’s definitely going the extra yard, in my book. Beyond solid guy.

  89. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    well, any team that makes the PS could break through and win, but the nationals have really stepped it up in the pitching dept. not long ago, j zimmerman and lannan were their #1/2, now zimmerman is #3 and lannan is in aaa. they brought in gonzalez and jackson who’s pitching great, detwiler who’s in the bp now, clippard, storen, gorzellany and more. they were able to let lidge go not just because he’s lost it, but because they have others who can do a better job than him. they have to figure out what to do about strassburg’s innings limit, but if they decide to put him in the bp, look out!

    offensively they aren’t great but have had to do it pretty much without any contribution from their two best hitters, zimmerman and werth. werth will be back and zim is a streaky hitter who may bust out at any time.

    overall im not blown away by any national league team. the dodgers have great pitching but not much hitting, pretty much the same for the giants im not sold on the reds or cardinals. i guess the best balance is the nats with the chance to get better on offense as the year goes on.

    anybody who gets into the post season can win it, though, especially in this year’s national league.

  90. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    That Charleston group is a core that has bonded big time. Hopefully, most of them keep moving up as a group. Too bad in the real world, they all won’t make it together and as NY Yankees at the same time. Like the Core 4 (or Core 5 when you include Bernie.) #pinstripebrotherlylove

  91. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Greetings luis.

    Thanks for passing my messages along.

    :)

    =============================

    My pleasure MTU! Glad to have been of service ;)

  92. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    My thoughts and prayers are with you always as well, MTU.

  93. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Luis-

    How is jmv ? Has he been around ?

  94. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Luis-

    How is jmv ? Has he been around ?

    =========================

    He was here two or three days ago. I passed along the message. he told me that he would be e-mailing some pictures that you will like ;)

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    “They already knew that Pettitte and Kuroda could be had by the time of the trade. So they could have stood pat if they believed on what they had and what they could get through FA. Time has proven that they didn’t need more pitching.”

    luis, when the trade occurred, Pettitte was off the table. That’s the reason Cashman went after Kuroda. After he got Kuroda and Pineda, he told Pettitte that it was off the table. That’s documented.

    Unless I am misunderstanding your chronology.

  96. Bo knows June 17th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    And contrary to some believers, it is an indictment more than a praise for the GM. We have basically the same pieces before the trade performing as some of us expected. The only not expected addition has been Pettitte, that’s has been a very good one.

    —————-
    Contnue indicting the GM.

    Carry on, I’m glad some of you were proven right.

    Hope the halo doesn’t get too tight.

  97. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Thank you YF.

    Very kind of you. Everything is heard by he who matters most and influences all.

    So far, prayers are being answered and things are stable.

    :)

  98. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Y’s Guy,

    They sure look like the best team on the NL, but i wouldn’t discount the Dodgers either. On the AL we will have to deal with the Tigers, Rangers and the Angels to get to the WS. Those are not easy pie either.

  99. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    i dont see how pettitte and kuroda really come in as far as ‘the trade’ they are both one, maybe 2 year additions, the trade is much longer term. also people now look back and act like pettitte pitching well was a given, which it was decidedly not.

  100. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Luis-

    Terrific. thanks again.

    I look forward to receiving them.

    How about yourself. How have you been ?

  101. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Bo knows June 17th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    And contrary to some believers, it is an indictment more than a praise for the GM. We have basically the same pieces before the trade performing as some of us expected. The only not expected addition has been Pettitte, that’s has been a very good one.

    —————-
    Contnue indicting the GM.

    Carry on, I’m glad some of you were proven right.

    Hope the halo doesn’t get too tight.

    ==============================

    I am not indicting him. It’s just that i don’t think a praise is in order either. JMHO

  102. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    alot can change between now and october but for my money, the best 4 teams are all in the AL.

    of course being the best team guarantees nothing in the PS.

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    luis, I’m hoping the Melky’s Giants can sneak in and cause some trouble. They’re not too far behind the Dodgers and I believe right now, they’d be the NL 1st WC team (at least last time I looked).

  104. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Trish,

    He told Pettitte that he had a 10 mil contract for him, if not he would sign Kuroda. Pettitte said that he wasn’t sure, so he went and signed Kuroda. Kuroda was signed before the trade. So he knew what he had before of the trade.

  105. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Luis-

    Terrific. thanks again.

    I look forward to receiving them.

    How about yourself. How have you been ?

    ===========================

    Very well thank you. Just had lunch with my daughters and the rest of my family (about 40 people). By the way, i hope that the health problem that a loved one had is getting better, sorry if i didn’t asked before my friend.

  106. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    i had the golf on but wasnt really paying attention. tiger isnt even on the second page of the leaderboard…he must be blowing up!

  107. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    jap, they also just got the panda back…

  108. jacksquat June 17th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    luis June 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    Sweep!!! I called it!!

    Hello everyone,

    Sorry I missed most of the game. Just checking in the score and I find this great news!

    I read a couple of comments that I feel the need to respond though:

    What this run has shown is that we never needed more pitching to start with. And contrary to some believers, it is an indictment more than a praise for the GM. We have basically the same pieces before the trade performing as some of us expected. The only not expected addition has been Pettitte, that’s has been a very good one. We still have some depth left on the pitching side dispite the number of injuries the team has sustained. If we would have standed pat we would still have Noesi as well.

    The only thing this shows is that the FO has a problem at evaluating their own talent. Worse, there is a tendency to overvalue other teams talent.

    Having said that, it is very good to see the club winning on a consistent basis. Hopefully we can keep this up.

    —-

    I disagree. Before trading for Pineda, they had

    CC

    Kuroda – looked pretty solid and fairly predictable, but you never really know with a guy coming from the NL

    Nova – his xFIP was much higher than his ERA last year, and with relatively little experience it was far from guaranteed what they would get.

    Hughes – even further from a known quantity than Nova.

    Garcia – Old and there had to be questions he could repeat last year.

    Pettitte – wasn’t on the radar.

    Noesi and Phelps – unproven and more unproven.

    Faith in this group was based on home grown player hugging and blind optimism. Real Yankee GM’s don’t have the luxury of going into the season with that kind of risk.

    Remember 2008? When they went into the season with Hughes and Kennedy penciled in? They both were horrible and we ended up with Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson. Finished 89-73 and missed the playoffs.

    The GM went into the season with great depth that would have been that much deeper with Pineda. He did the right thing. As it is, if Pettitte had not returned they would already be into the minor leagues (Phelps) for the #5 starter.

    And really all this is is more Montero talk without specifically mentioning Montero. It’s not clever.

  109. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    luis, I’m hoping the Melky’s Giants can sneak in and cause some trouble. They’re not too far behind the Dodgers and I believe right now, they’d be the NL 1st WC team (at least last time I looked).

    ===========================

    I think they make it to the PS, but i don’t think they are anywhere close to the Nats or the Dodgers at this point in time.

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    But he told him as soon as the trade was made that the offer was no longer there. Cashman had no way of knowing Pettitte would tell him months later that he wanted to return. Heck, Pettitte didn’t even know that! And if Pettitte had signed for the 10 mil, he wouldn’t have signed Kuroda.

    Things just fell into place.

    If Pineda had not gotten hurt, Hughes might not have made it into the rotation.

    And we know now how things have worked out with the pieces we have in place. There’s no way of telling, up or down, how things would have worked out (up or down) with different iterations.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    jap, they also just got the panda back…
    ///

    Yes, that’s a huge lift for that lineup. Posey, Panda and Melky is formidable. They need Timmy L. to turn it around.

  112. jackamir June 17th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    The Yanks have to Greenlight Gary Sanchez. Speed up his development, he is raking.

  113. Villa Nova-Ya June 17th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    the news of Kuroda signing came after new of the trade. It was simultaneous, if anything. However, I don’t believe they were absolutely certain Kuroda was going to sign; he was seriously thinking of going back to Japan, or at least that’s what every media out let said.

    Pettitte didn’t even come back into play until what, March?

    And Nova was coming off an injury; Phil Hughes was coming off a questionable season and no one knew what this season would hold for him.

    The rotation had a lot of potential pre-trade but was far from a lock.

    So, for the longest time, it was really, CC and ????

  114. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Luis-

    I don’t think I know 40 people in the whole World well.

    Ever hear of zero population growth Amigo ?

    How do you feed that many hungry people ?

    :)

    Glad to hear you are prospering and happy.

    The opposition is gaining strength which is good.

    The kid down there is making quite a splash.

    Might just have to go watch the Sux suffer some more.

    After all, they deserve it, right ?

    ;)

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    I think they make it to the PS, but i don’t think they are anywhere close to the Nats or the Dodgers at this point in time.
    ///

    Those are two very good clubs, no doubt. To have a chance, they need Lincecum to be Lincecum again. If that’s still in the cards for him. He’s lost some mph off his FB.

  116. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    JS,

    Not meant to be….I thought it was a bad trade, i don’t think the GM should be praised for the success of the pieces he didn’t envisioned to have the impact they have had. That’s all. Not trying to be clever here, just pointing out an obvious fact. The same pieces that were in place before the trade are the ones responsible for the current run. Not what Cashman envisioned

  117. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    luis says:
    June 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Dionysious,

    Again, you missed the point. Some posters were praising the GM. I honestly don’t think that he should be praised, if any, he should be indicted for the bad move.

    Yes, we are on a very good run. If we don’t make the trade, we would still be in this run plus we would have Noesi and Montero.

    Besides, your comment seems a little condescending, don’t you think Disagree if you want, save your sarcasm to others please.

    ——–

    You’re wrong on all counts.

    I didn’t miss the point. That is exactly my point. I look at Cashman’s body of work, with frames of reference such as Epstein at Boston, as well as over 50 years of rooting for the Yankees. I have no inclination whatsoever to second guess trades or signings. I’m pleased overall with Cashman. You’re not. I get that. I disagree.

    As for the condescension, you’re confusing it with facts. You want to criticize the front office, be my guest. Your posts are ALSO subject to criticism.

  118. Fondo Motz June 17th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    The state of some of the other “contenders” is absolutely atrocious. Philly? My god.
    Remember the dialogue over not getting Cliff Lee? The guy is still looking for his first win of the season.

    Call it fate running our way

  119. Fondo Motz June 17th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Philly has nine walk off losses, the latest being yesterday. I hope when they play Pittsburgh, A.J. hits them in the face with a pie.

  120. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    MTU,

    Would you believe me that all in all, we are 1300 family members as a whole?

    Remember the movie “My big Greek fat Wedding”…That’s my mother’s house every Sunday.

    We are very hopeful and at the same time scared down here. Things are going to get dicey.

  121. Fondo Motz June 17th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    And what bigger fall than Brad Lidge, who the Yankees helped to designate for assignment yesterday

  122. luis June 17th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    DT,

    Whatever….You can criticize any post i make, just do so in the same manner i try to do so, please.

  123. Bo knows June 17th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    I am not indicting him. It’s just that i don’t think a praise is in order either. JMHO

    —————
    What Cashman had before the trade was CC and a whole lot of question marks.

    Anyone that could foresee the present run of Yankee starters sans Andy, should be working the lottery.

  124. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    “Call it fate running our way”

    I really wanted Lee. I freely admit that.

    Sometimes the best trades are the the ones you don’t make. We may have dodged one there.

    Many of the best teams on paper seem to have fallen by the wayside : Boston, Philly, Miami, Tigers.

    Strange days indeed. Fickle finger of fate has pointed in some unusual directions.

  125. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    i was really really rooting for the yankees not to sign lee and i was so relieved when he signed with philly. there’s no saying what could have happened, but i think that was disaster averted.

  126. Fondo Motz June 17th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    I was devastated when we didn’t get him, but I am leaning more and more towards avoiding these long term contracts for guys you know will give you one to two good years and then be excess payroll baggage. Did someone say Arod :)

  127. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    luis-

    Holy crap !

    You should get your own little island.

    :)

    The kid has charisma.

  128. Fondo Motz June 17th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    If I had 1300 clones of my sister, I’d shoot myself.

  129. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya June 17th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    the news of Kuroda signing came after new of the trade. It was simultaneous, if anything. However, I don’t believe they were absolutely certain Kuroda was going to sign; he was seriously thinking of going back to Japan, or at least that’s what every media out let said.

    Pettitte didn’t even come back into play until what, March?

    And Nova was coming off an injury; Phil Hughes was coming off a questionable season and no one knew what this season would hold for him.

    The rotation had a lot of potential pre-trade but was far from a lock.

    So, for the longest time, it was really, CC and ????

    =================================

    I don’t want to get in to the trade discussion again. I was just voicing an opinion about praising the GM for the current run. that’s all, sorry i didn’t want to stir the pot with some more trade discussion.

    But There were a few posters that believed that the trade was unnecessary. Time has proven that to be the case. We can analyze all you want what he had, for me he had plenty. CC, Kuroda, Nova, Hughes and Garcia or Pettitte or Phelps or Noesi add to that Joba, Warren and Mitchell…He had plenty to go to war with.

  130. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    luis says:
    June 17, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    DT,

    Whatever….You can criticize any post i make, just do so in the same manner i try to do so, please.

    ——

    No.

    We don’t need to talk alike, write alike, think alike, etc.

    Embrace diversity … it’s the spice of life.

  131. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Time to go enjoy watching the Sux continue to fall of the cliff.

    Have a good evening.

    I’ll join up when I can.

    :)

  132. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    edit: “off” not “of”.

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Not meant to be….I thought it was a bad trade, i don’t think the GM should be praised for the success of the pieces he didn’t envisioned to have the impact they have had. That’s all. Not trying to be clever here, just pointing out an obvious fact. The same pieces that were in place before the trade are the ones responsible for the current run. Not what Cashman envisioned”

    How do you know Cashman didn’t envision the impact? The pieces in place before the trade are not the ones responsible for the current run. Garcia was going to be in the rotation. He ended up in the pen.

    I definitely don’t buy into the fallacy of the predetermined outcome. There is no way to know how the group, absent any of the current players, would have worked out.

    I do the same thing with trades. I don’t assume that what is happening in one venue would automatically happen in another!

    I think Cashman did a great job. We’re in first place aren’t we?

  134. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    the only guy i was hoping they wouldnt sign more than lee was arod when he opted out. there were actually alot of us on here that didnt want him resigned at the time.

  135. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    luis-

    Holy crap !

    You should get your own little island.

    :)

    The kid has charisma.

    =============================

    He does have charisma…

    About my family….I don’t even know all of them

  136. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Interesting the way people consider Nova not a given, he was a rookie of year candidate in 2011 and had excellent second half peripherals and again this year even when he had early FB command issues. However Pineda was sanctified as our #2 after half a year of mlb with no changeup and hadn’t even pitched for us yet. OK….

    Kuroda always had great peripherals, overall numbers and Cashman had been after him for 3 years.

    So, player peripherals, pitchers’ stuff and sample size all go into evaluating pitching and people made those points. But let’s reduce that evaluation to some insane prospect hugging and blind optimism.

  137. Fondo Motz June 17th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Those opt out clauses are a license to steal. For the life of me they don’t make business sense to agree to them from a management perspective.

  138. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    DT,

    I am not asking you to think alike. Just to be respectful toward your fellow posters. You can disagree without the charged comments.

  139. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    im still confident that in the long run the trade will work out about even. alot of the people opposed to it have already declared victory but that is very premature.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Or anyone who could forsee just could see more clearly…

    There were some very detailed, analytical posts on the subject, about why there was no need to trade for pitching, and why there was a pressing need for a young bat with average/power combination.

    Those posts were thoughtful, and are on record, here. Trying to dumb them down as a blind shot at the bullseye, is at best, dishonest. Any one can go look them up to know who stood where, and who didn’t waffle and who was, and still is, trying to work both sides of the street on the subject.

    Even the GM himself admitted he made an awful mistake.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    “But There were a few posters that believed that the trade was unnecessary. Time has proven that to be the case.”

    It’s all perceptual luis. I believe time has proven the opposite!

    “We can analyze all you want what he had, for me he had plenty. CC, Kuroda, Nova, Hughes and Garcia or Pettitte or Phelps or Noesi add to that Joba, Warren and Mitchell…He had plenty to go to war with.”

    I respect your belief that he had plenty to go to war with luis. I respect it but entirely disagree with it. It’s apparent that Warren and Mitchell are not major-league ready. Joba is still not here. I don’t think that Phelps has shown that he was going to be major-league ready.

    All works in progress. Not good to be rushed. History has shown that.

    Unfortunately the Yankees are a “now” team.

  142. Villa Nova-Ya June 17th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    luis -

    I don’t like having traded Montero, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say a trade for a pitcher was unnecessary.

    There was an awful lot of faith involved in thinking the rotation would be what it needed to be after CC. There was no one considered lock-down after him.

    My point was not to bring up the trade again; just the timing of events.

    So I don’t think time has proven anything except Kuroda and Pettitte have proved to be good additions, and that after shaky starts, Nova and Hughes have settled in and also proved to be good.

    Nothing has been proved as far as “the trade” is concerned. And won’t be for a while.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    “There were some very detailed, analytical posts on the subject, about why there was no need to trade for pitching, and why there was a pressing need for a young bat with average/power combination.”

    And many of us do not agree with those posts.

  144. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    ed whitson had great peripherals with san diego, too.

  145. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    luis says:
    June 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm
    DT,

    I am not asking you to think alike. Just to be respectful toward your fellow posters. You can disagree without the charged comments.

    ——-

    Now you’re being ridiculous.

  146. Fondo Motz June 17th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    JAP – there are always some who revise their “history” so as to be the one’s in the know and always right.

  147. Villa Nova-Ya June 17th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    yankeefeminista,

    The only thing not given about Nova was the injury. We took in it on faith he’d be healed and ready to go. He was. And there’s always the questions about a second year pitcher (sophomore jinx, teams making adjustments, etc.). It was never about the talent or the drive.

    He’s one motivated player, and it has been great to see him develop, pretty much step by step.

  148. Bo knows June 17th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Or anyone who could forsee just could see more clearly…

    ———————–
    Oy.

    Must be the Primo state.

  149. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Heckuva game in Seattle. Still 1-1 bottom of the 9th. Bumgarner and Felix both out of the game.

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    “What Cashman had before the trade was CC and a whole lot of question marks.

    Anyone that could foresee the present run of Yankee starters sans Andy, should be working the lottery.”

    Not a question.

  151. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    javier vazquez had even better peripherals with montreal.

  152. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    It would appear I have a bit more time as the Sux are not about to continue their fall off that cliff until 6.

  153. Villa Nova-Ya June 17th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    To be fair about Phelps, he didn’t pitch with enough regularity to say if he was ready or not. I think had he been a starter, he’d have been a lot better than he showed in a spotty work load.

    But I agree that if you’re the NY Yankees, you can’t go to war with too many non-battle-tested pitchers. Pineda at least had a year under his belt (like Nova).

  154. MG June 17th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    I must be watching a different team than many of you because I’ve never seen Cashman on the field for the Yankees, what position does he play so I can decide whether or not to indict him for something.

    I wanted to see Montero play for the Yankees this year and get about 300 ABs, maybe more if he earned them, but the fact is that, if he were on the squad, he wouldn’t have much of a role since Arod has been DHing very often against lefties and Montero’s splits against righties are pretty bad so far (I believe he’s hitting under .200 against them). He’s also hitting under .200 with RISP so there isn’t much he would have helped there either.

    And the Yankees had decided he couldn”t catch for them no matter what anyone here thinks, so he wasn’t going to be behind the plate for them in 2012.

    The Yankees have traded other prospects who turned out great in the past (Fred McGriff hit over 500 HRs, didn’t he?) and we still don’t know whether Montero will be an average, above average, or elite hitter. The jury is still out and the deliberations are in the early stages. That won’t satisfy many of you who, of course, but maybe the success of the team so far and the chance of #28 in 2012 will help you feel better.

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    o, player peripherals, pitchers’ stuff and sample size all go into evaluating pitching and people made those points. But let’s reduce that evaluation to some insane prospect hugging and blind optimism.
    ///

    Everyone knows who said what and who is being dishonest. Not worth the time.
    ///

    Melky with a good throw but hit the runner in the back. The Son’s team wins, Melky’s loses. Crisis :( .

  156. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Trish,

    And i am fine with your opinion. Yours is very sensible too. And I RESPECT that above everything else. About Phelps, he was ready…Inaction has hurt him, that’s why i think it was a good move to send him down. Not because he wasn’t ready, but because he wasn’t pitching.

    Again thank you for your thoughtful response.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    “But I agree that if you’re the NY Yankees, you can’t go to war with too many non-battle-tested pitchers. Pineda at least had a year under his belt (like Nova).”

    That’s the alpha and the omega. I guess the people who didn’t like the trade feel that the Yankees had options. But if they used those options and those options fell apart, there would have been incredible criticism for ruining the young guys and watching the Yanks sink.

    Cashman learned from hard experience.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    luis says:
    June 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm
    DT,

    I am not asking you to think alike. Just to be respectful toward your fellow posters. You can disagree without the charged comments.

    ——-

    Now you’re being ridiculous.
    ///

    He’s never said a ridiculous thing in here, and he’s a gentleman always.

  159. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    MG says:
    June 17, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    ——

    Agree 100%.

  160. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    If I were the Yankees I wouldn’t trade Phelps anytime soon.

    IMO he’s keeper.

    It’s good that they sent him back down to get stretched out again.

    He was just getting “Noesi’ed” in the Pen.

  161. jmills June 17th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

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    The above is a doc on Tom Terrific – hope y’all can see it . Told Big Al I want Seaver for Bautista . The Yanks caught lightening in a bottle with Guidry . I remember a Monday night game vs the A’s ’77 – Ron was fantastique! ( Almost a Jay for Bill Singer – Gabe Paul restored sanity ) j

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    luis, you deserve nothing less, my friend.

    :)

  163. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    personally i find references to montero which refer to jesus christ as offensive.

  164. LGY June 17th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    If the Yankees had so many question marks in the rotation, as some are insisting, why would Cashman use his best trade chip to acquire a pitcher with a bunch of question marks himself?

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    MTU – agree on Phelps.

  166. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 17th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    why there was a pressing need for a young bat with average/power combination.

    *******

    I think it is they may need a bat. It does not necessarily need to be young at this time. Wanting a young bat is for a fan to have some “security,” but sometimes baseball is a year to year deal, especially with the Yankees.

    And there is no way to say the Yankees had the pitching depth in January, even after the Pineda and Kuroda deals. Pettitte was not even in the picture yet, and Hughes had less than 100 innings last year, AND Nova was coming off an early removal from game 5 of the ALDS. Heck, this recent run of good pitching needs to still be tested in July, August, and down the stretch run. If anything, counting on the likes of Garcia, Banuelos, Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, and Betances to provide the pitching depth behind C.C., Hughes, Nova, Pineda, and Kuroda is still tenuous, even with Pettitte on board. The simple question goes, if one of the five starters has to miss time, who exactly is going to step in on the depth chart? And there lies the reason why you can never have enough pitching.

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    “If the Yankees had so many question marks in the rotation, as some are insisting, why would Cashman use his best trade chip to acquire a pitcher with a bunch of question marks himself”

    Straight up? Because he didn’t see all those question marks, and he wasn’t acquiring him as a one-year rental. Obvious.

  168. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    June 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    He’s never said a ridiculous thing in here, and he’s a gentleman always.

    ——-

    Maybe before today.

    “charged”? “respectful”

    Ridiculous.

  169. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya June 17th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    luis -

    I don’t like having traded Montero, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say a trade for a pitcher was unnecessary.

    There was an awful lot of faith involved in thinking the rotation would be what it needed to be after CC. There was no one considered lock-down after him.

    My point was not to bring up the trade again; just the timing of events.

    So I don’t think time has proven anything except Kuroda and Pettitte have proved to be good additions, and that after shaky starts, Nova and Hughes have settled in and also proved to be good.

    Nothing has been proved as far as “the trade” is concerned. And won’t be for a while.

    ================================

    Fair point Villa….But IMO, it was a asset management blunder…They enhanced an already strong part of the organization at the expense of a weakness, thus making us vulnerable…If we need a bat, we are bound to overpay because of that. I do agree that this is a “now” organization, which i think is a blunder as well, but that’s just me.

  170. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Trisha-

    I see things in Mr. Phelps I really, really like.

    Hope he sticks and gets a full opportunity to show what he can do.

    He has “it”.

    I believe the result will be very positive for all concerned.

  171. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    There Will Never Be Another Mo June 17th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Excellent post with respect to Yankee pitching.

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    To be fair about Phelps, he didn’t pitch with enough regularity to say if he was ready or not. I think had he been a starter, he’d have been a lot better than he showed in a spotty work load.
    ///

    I disagree with your first comment. You’re not “not ready” just by virtue of not having gotten your chance, yet. Phelps isn’t going to evolve much more; this is who he is: polished starter who knows how to pitch, change speeds, etc. Are you maybe confusing the idea of “ceiling” with readiness? Because Phelps is ready, it just so happens that the Yankees have more talented options in the rotation right now. And I agree with the second observation: I think Phelps would have been even better with consistent work, because I think he could have made adjustments when he went through lineups the third, fourth time… I think, on the Yankees, he would have been a fine No. 5 starter, and is still a reliable option if (when??) someone goes down.

  173. MG June 17th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    I’d like to see Phelps get a whole season in the rotation in AAA and come back and compete for a spot in the rotation next year but he wasn’t going to pitch in turn for the Yankees this year any more than Noesi (who has never really impressed me) was going to win a spot there either.

    As for the rest of the Yankees minor league starters, check out their stats so far-none of them are pitching well at AAA and it is highly unlikely any of them (with the exception of Banuelos) will ever be starting pitchers for the Yankees.

  174. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 17th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    LGY June 17th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    If the Yankees had so many question marks in the rotation, as some are insisting, why would Cashman use his best trade chip to acquire a pitcher with a bunch of question marks himself?

    ************

    B/c Pineda was coming of a really nice rookie season. No one could have foreseen he would come in overweight and out of shape.

  175. LGY June 17th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
    “If the Yankees had so many question marks in the rotation, as some are insisting, why would Cashman use his best trade chip to acquire a pitcher with a bunch of question marks himself”

    Straight up? Because he didn’t see all those question marks, and he wasn’t acquiring him as a one-year rental. Obvious.

    ———-

    Cashman didn’t see any question marks surrounding Pineda?? Add another plus mark to his pitcher evaluation resume.

  176. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    MTU – I definitely want to see Phelps stick around. And when I saw Mitchell pitch down below I was really impressed with his stuff. But those kids deserve the time they need to develop. I want to see them get it.

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Maybe before today.

    “charged”? “respectful”

    Ridiculous.
    ///

    No, that would be every day, all day, in every discussion. Your loss, I would say.

  178. Ys Guy June 17th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    phelps already had 29 aaa starts before this year, what would be the point of another full year there?

  179. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Bo,

    Sorry i didn’t answered your post….Maybe i should play the lottery more often? ;)

    Maybe we wouldn’t have had on paper a world class pitching rotation. But we had enough present and future to go to war with. Granted, that’s hasn’t been the Yankees MO. But in light of the new CBA ( I think they knew what was coming), i think it was the best path of action.

  180. mick June 17th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    I respect your belief that he had plenty to go to war with luis. I respect it but entirely disagree with it. It’s apparent that Warren and Mitchell are not major-league ready. Joba is still not here. I don’t think that Phelps has shown that he was going to be major-league ready.
    ======================================
    Time and time again this is mentioned and each and every time the answer is the same.
    There is none.
    One side says we had the present 5 starters all along and they were enough, a strength.
    We were dealing from a strength in pitching yet we needed more hitting.
    Simplistic reasoning. Looking back on it after 9 straight wins is hindsight.
    Even if you knew Kuroda and Andy were signed , is that a lock? Is that a long term answer?
    Hughes and Nova were locks? C’mon….
    Said this before , to no reasonable reply, which is what I expect once again.
    We had enough….is not good enough.

  181. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Villa, I should have qualified “not going to evolve much more”. What I meant was, he’s already at a level of evolution that would qualify him as “ready.” Not that he can never evolve further.. He is what he will be in terms of getting the call… He can certainly evolve over a career as an MLB starter. Didn’t express it well.

  182. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    “Cashman didn’t see any question marks surrounding Pineda?? Add another plus mark to his pitcher evaluation resume.”

    Yeah, because you foresaw problems with Pineda, right?

    Despite what the MRIs – two of them – and the physical didn’t show. Because that’s what the team physicians reported on.

    So now Cashman should be a doctor too, right?

    Whatever LGY.

  183. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Trisha-

    IMO, Phelps is ready to go right now.

    Just needs a spot and a significant chance to show what he can do over an extended period.

    Has all the tools. In fact, he has the most important tool of all. Good command of his pitches.

    I’d rather see him stay stretched out at AAA than “Noesi’ed” though.

  184. blake June 17th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Hey guys….been out father’s daying it today….just watched the game on DVR….Yanks are rollin…..Nova is really coming in to his own and its amazing how with him you look up in the 6th and hes got like 65-70 pitches……he just gets outs and he just wins baseball games.

    This team is starting to remind me of the 09 team just with the way they are going about their business……the offense isnt as good and they dont just bludgeon teams the same way…..but the rotation is much better 1-5 and they just are playing with swag right now……they are a bat away feom being a special group.

    Be back later.

  185. Villa Nova-Ya June 17th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    I don’t want to rehash.

    Suffice to say, the Yankees saw things differently.

  186. MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    proximo hilo —–>

  187. Dionysius Thelxinoe June 17th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    June 17, 2012 at 7:31 pm
    Maybe before today.

    “charged”? “respectful”

    Ridiculous.
    ///

    No, that would be every day, all day, in every discussion. Your loss, I would say.

    ———-

    I’ll survive somehow.

  188. LGY June 17th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
    “Cashman didn’t see any question marks surrounding Pineda?? Add another plus mark to his pitcher evaluation resume.”

    Yeah, because you foresaw problems with Pineda, right?

    Despite what the MRIs – two of them – and the physical didn’t show. Because that’s what the team physicians reported on.

    So now Cashman should be a doctor too, right?

    Whatever LGY.

    ——-

    Pineda is inside the injury matrix and has already had arm issues. Young pitchers get hurt especially ones that have shown fragility in the past like Pineda. Simple stuff.

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    MTU June 17th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    If I were the Yankees I wouldn’t trade Phelps anytime soon.

    IMO he’s keeper.
    //

    MTU, you wouldn’t get much for him alone, so I wouldn’t, either. I like him, too, and I’m sure we’re going to need him somewhere down the road as an emergency starter. He and DJ are both capable of helping this year. Warren has been pitching better lately, but his secondary offerings still need work.

  190. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Dionysius Thelxinoe, I have never seen you post anything disrespectful. So I would say this is nothing more than a breakdown in communication.

    It happens.

    :)

  191. mick June 17th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    The Yanks are on a run like this and all that is spoken about is the same old nonsense?
    That is troll-like, and maybe some should start rooting for the team instead of a lost player.

  192. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    “Pineda is inside the injury matrix and has already had arm issues. Young pitchers get hurt especially ones that have shown fragility in the past like Pineda. Simple stuff.”

    Whatever.

  193. Villa Nova-Ya June 17th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    J. Alfred -

    I wasn’t the one who said Phelps wasn’t ready.

    What I was saying is it isn’t fair to say categorically that he was not ready. He didn’t get steady work; he’s a starter. I thought he did very well in the roll he had, considering that as the starters got better, he got less and less work. And I also said that I believe that if he was starting at the ML level, on a regular basis, he’d be doing well.

    Sometimes the posts, the authors and the intents get pretty mixed up around here. :)

  194. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Mick,

    It was my fault. I just didn’t think that Cashman should be praised and the rest is history. My bad

  195. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Fondo Motz,

    Yes, I know. Sorry, didn’t mean to not respond. I’m tired of all this back and forth. I just wish the trade could be undone. The rest, I don’t care about. Including the sniping, here.

    Have a good one.

  196. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Villa,

    My apologies. I read it wrong. Agree on Phelps.

    Have a good night, all.

  197. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    JAP,

    Thanks for everything.

  198. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Good night JAP

  199. mick June 17th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Once again there’s no substantial evidence as to why some thought our rotation was a mortal lock and that trade was poppyc*ck.
    Seems biased to me.

  200. luis June 17th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Mick,

    Back in March, some of us said that it was enough to go to war with. I don’t think Cashman should get praise for something he didn’t think it could happen as it has. It’s not biased…But i didn’t mean to generate the discussion that ensued.

    Later

  201. mick June 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Back in March, some of us said that it was enough to go to war with.
    ===========================
    Which , because it is happening now, doesn’t mean you got it right.
    It’s not biased?
    Isn’t your boy from your hometown?

  202. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    luis – here’s another way to look at it. GMs make decisions and life is what happens in between. Good GMs know how to drop back five and make good punts. Cashman didn’t know that Jose Contreras wouldn’t work out, nor did he know that Carl Pavano wouldn’t work out. But he went back to the drawing board in both cases and made sure the Yankees had the pieces that got them into the postseason each time. He also didn’t know that Kevin Brown was going to get ticked off in September of a season and cause the Yankees to have to do some heavy scrambling.

    So to say that he shouldn’t be praised because some things have happened in the middle I think is a little harsh. IMO he should be praised for putting together the team that is currently in first place. He picked the bench, and he picked the pitchers. He could have told Pettitte to pound sand but he did not. Instead he said that Pettitte would be a lock for the rotation and the rest would be determined. He made that decision, nobody else.

  203. randy l. June 17th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    yankees 2012 salaries- $195,998,004

    rays 2012 salaries- $65,008,071

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/sa.....amondbacks

  204. luis June 17th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Mick,

    Had to go out….No, my obvious bias on Montero has nothing to do on what i tried to convey. Obviously i picked the wrong moment to do so and probably i used the wrong phrasing as well. The last thing i wanted was to bring the subject again. You want to believe or not, that’s up to you.

  205. luis June 17th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Trish,

    I think the only reason he has done well is because of the amount of resources he has had at his disposal. He has covered his many blunders with money. That no longer will be the case ( new CBA and budget restrictions). Frankly, i don’t think he is the right man for the job ahead. I rather see a guy that comes from a small market team, because in some ways that’s how the Yankees will have to operate from here on out.

    He has done some very good things in general….But when it comes to specifics, he comes short most times than not.


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