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Bernie Williams to manage Futures Game

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 20, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Former Yankees outfielder Bernie Williams has been announced as a manager for next month’s Futures Game. It’s worth noting that Trenton manager Tony Franklin will also be involved in the event, serving as a coach for the U.S. Team. Here’s the Williams announcement from Major League Baseball…

Hall of Fame third baseman George Brett, who spent his entire 21-year career with the Kansas City Royals, will manage the U.S. Team and five-time American League All-Star outfielder Bernie Williams will lead the World Team in the 2012 SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game on Sunday, July 8th at Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City.

The SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game, which is now in its 14th year, features the top Minor League prospects competing in a nine-inning contest as part of Taco Bell All-Star Sunday. The game will begin at 5:00 p.m. (ET)/4:00 p.m. (CT) and can be viewed live on ESPN2, ESPN2 HD and MLB.com. SiriusXM, the Official Satellite Radio Partner of Major League Baseball, will provide play-by-play coverage of the SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game on MLB Network Radio (XM channel 89) in addition to SiriusXM’s other comprehensive live coverage from Kansas City. The game will also be available to SiriusXM subscribers on the SiriusXM Internet Radio App for smart phones and mobile devices and online at SiriusXM.com. Taco Bell All-Star Sunday is the first of three days of All-Star events at Kauffman Stadium, culminating with the 83rd All-Star Game on Tuesday, July 10th.

Brett, who was inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 1999, is the only Royal who is enshrined in Cooperstown. A second round pick in the 1971 First-Year Player Draft, Brett hit .305 with 317 home runs, 1,595 RBI and 665 doubles while leading the Royals’ 1985 World Series Championship squad. He was the A.L. Most Valuable Player in 1980 after after winning a batting title with a .390 average, which was the highest in Baseball since Ted Williams hit .406 in 1941. Brett, who also posted 24 home runs and a career-high 118 RBI in 1980, finished in the top three in MVP voting three additional times. He was a 13-time A.L. All-Star, representing the Royals in the Midsummer Classic each year from 1976-1988. Brett was a three-time A.L. batting champion (1976, 1980, 1990), becoming the first player to win the batting title in three different decades. He is one of 28 members of baseball’s 3,000 hit club, and his 3,154 hits rank 15th all-time. Brett hit .340 with nine home runs and 19 RBI in six League Championship Series and hit .373 in his two World Series. He won the Gold Glove for A.L. third basemen in 1985. George is now in his 19th year as Vice President of Baseball Operations with the Royals, and his number 5 was retired by the club in 1994, when he entered the club’s Hall of Fame.

Williams, who spent his entire 16-year career with the Yankees, hit .297 with 287 home runs and 1,257 RBI, and was a member of four World Series Championship teams (1996, 1998-2000). The San Juan, Puerto Rico native signed with the Yankees in 1985 at age 17, and made his Major League debut in 1991. Williams, who won the A.L. batting title in 1998 after hitting .339, posted six straight seasons of at least 20 home runs from 1996-2001, including a career-best 30 home runs and 121 RBI in 2000. The switch-hitter hit .321 during 41 League Championship Series games and he was named the 1996 ALCS MVP after batting .474 with two home runs, three doubles and six RBI in the five-game series. He is a four-time A.L. Gold Glove winner (1997-2000) and he won a Silver Slugger Award in 2002. Bernie ranks first all-time in the Postseason with 80 RBI, second with 128 hits, 22 home runs, 29 doubles and 83 runs, and third with 121 games played. In Yankees history, Williams ranks third in doubles (449), fifth in hits (2,336), sixth in runs (1,366), games played (2,076) and RBI (1,257), and seventh in home runs (287).

Rosters for the 2012 SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game will be announced on Thursday afternoon.

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109 Responses to “Bernie Williams to manage Futures Game”

  1. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Bernie as the next Yankee manager. Hmmm….

  2. Bret The Hitman June 20th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    RMike June 20th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    “At least with Phelps you can have him cheap.”

    And with the budget, every (million) dollar counts. They simply can’t justify investing 6+ mil in Hughes if he continues to pitch like this.

    He is a poor fit for this park – unless he modifies his repertoire, it is hard to see him succeeding long term here. RH flyball pitchers who predominantly use their FB… really the worst kind of pitcher to have in NYS.

    *****************

    QFT +1

  3. Yank 97 June 20th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Mike, I agree. A team who plays in a big park though would be wise to jump on him, where his flyballs won’t be such a liability.

  4. LGY June 20th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    LGY,

    Could you explain the difference between xFIP and FIP?

    ———

    luis

    xFIP is the same formula as FIP but it regresses HR/FB rate to league average.

    Basically, it’s FIP with the added caveat that every pitcher should be giving up the same amount of HRs per fly ball (which I think is dumb)

  5. LGY June 20th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    I prefer to look at the 9 games of 3 runs or less.

    ———–

    As someone posted earlier, 5 ERA pitchers do give up 3 runs or less in about 55-65% of their starts so that’s not particularly impressive unless those 3 runs are coming with 7+ innings. In three of those starts he’s pitched less than 6 innings and on the whole is averaging less than 5 2/3 innings per start.

  6. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    LGY

    It’s unlikely that they won’t need a replacement starter for several weeks this season since one usually seems to go down at some point in the season. Phelps will get his shot, and in the interim, we will have a better read on Hughes.

    But they are doing him no favors by not having him use at least three pitches in every start irrespective of the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition.

    I also don’t understand why they can’t get Hughes to throw the slider he did in hs.

  7. Nick in SF June 20th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Woo hoo, Rays lose! :grin:

  8. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Bern, baby, Bern!

  9. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    repost

    yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    Agree. Phelp’s fb cannot compare with Hughes’. And if Hughes is a poor fit for our park, so is Pineda who also is a RH flyball pitcher. They had identical flyball rates in 2011: 44.8%.

  10. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Mike, no unearned runs don’t count in Hughes’ run totals. That’s why they are called unearned. ;)

  11. 4time June 20th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    “I prefer to look at the 9 games of 3 runs or less.”

    JA Happ has given up 3 runs or less the same amount of times as Hughes and his ERA is 5+ in the NL.

    Bruce Chen and Max Scherzer both have 10 starts in which they haven’t given up more than 3 runs, yet still find their ERAs over 5

    Someone had a good post in the other thread with other names on it. I’d say, the vast majority of guys in Hughes’ ERA range have the same end result as he does – a high percentage of quality starts and a few clunkers to bring the ERA up. Considering guys don’t pitch 9 innings a start anymore, that’s pretty much the only way to have a 5ish ERA. If guys were giving up 5 runs a START (not per 9), their ERA would be like 10.

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock June 20th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Rich in NJ June 20th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    Bernie as the next Yankee manager. Hmmm….
    ///

    Guys, what inning is this again? :D Verrrry relaaaaaxed environment… I always wanted to hear Bernie go all Hendrix and do an electric version of the anthem…

  13. blake June 20th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    “Hughes is still relatively young, but he only has two years of team control left. How long do you live with a 5 ERA starter to be only able to reap the benefits for a short period of time? ”

    Well this is a legit question….and if shows that he is a 5 ERA starter then it won’t be beyond this year and probably not all of this year…..but the end point I chose wasn’t arbitrary….it was the point where he changed his approach and started pitching better and since that time he hasn’t been a 5 ERA pitcher….he’s been a 4 ERA pitcher and before today he was a 3.27 ERA pitcher…..

    yes it’s a small sample….but I think he’s made real progress over the last 6 weeks and am willing to see where that goes…..it if turns out that it wasn’t real and he regresses back to the same issues he’s had the last couple of years then yea….they probably have to move on to younger and cheaper options….but the Yanks have so much time invested in Hughes they have to see once and for all what he is after he finally has shown some promise.

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock June 20th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    I also don’t understand why they can’t get Hughes to throw the slider he did in hs.
    ////

    At a certain point, Nardi took sliders away from everybody. They’re now back in vogue, so perhaps there’s hope.

  15. blake June 20th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Wonder who the Yanks will send to the Futures game….they really don’t have much in AAA and Banuelos is hurt. Would be cool if they challenged Sanchez or Austin and sent them….

  16. Yank 97 June 20th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    And if Hughes is a poor fit for our park, so is Pineda who also is a RH flyball pitcher. They had identical flyball rates in 2011: 44.8%.

    ————

    I agree with that – a lot of us were saying that when they made the Pineda trade. That he also was not a great fit for NYS with his pitching style, which made the trade even more perplexing.

    If Hughes isn’t the answer… I’m not sure if Pineda is either, even though Pineda’s raw stuff pre-surgery was better.

  17. luis June 20th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Rich,

    I could be wrong, but he tried the slider and didn’t have the same effectiveness it has in HS.

    LGY,

    Thanks…It is dumb, hr per flyball is very individual it varies from pitcher to pitcher

    To all,

    Hughes upside still trumps everything. His past previous starts where very good. His FB was electric and he showed improvement on his CB and CU. He is bound to have some clunkers. I think that as long as he has incremental improvement.

    I am a big fan of Phelps, so i would like him to get his shot as well

  18. Tar June 20th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    “Bruce Chen and Max Scherzer both have 10 starts in which they haven’t given up more than 3 runs, yet still find their ERAs over 5″

    I’m not sure I get the point in this. Chen pitched great in 10 of his 14 starts. He gave his team a real chance to win even though they went (4-6 ).

    So am I supposed to believe Chen has been “bad overall”?

  19. blake June 20th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Pineda does have a true plus secondary pitch though whereas Hughes really doesn’t….also the Pineda they thought they were trading for threw 97.

  20. LGY June 20th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Rich

    That is right about Phelps. He’s very likely to get another shot this season, but I’m not sure the spot start scenario will really tell us much.

    Not sure I’m ready to do this yet, but I’d like to see Phelps get 2-3 months in the 5th slot so he can hopefully take on a bigger role in 2013. Like they did with Nova.

  21. LGY June 20th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    So am I supposed to believe Chen has been “bad overall”?

    ——–

    Well we evaluate these guys based on how they pitch relative to other major league starters, so if it makes you feel better you can add the disclaimer, bad overall relative to how other starters have pitched.

  22. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    blake, that is true, more velo (supposedly, at least in 2011) and a killer slider; the kid had nasty stuff, but you are still trading for a righty flyball pitcher who will give up some jacks at NYS.

  23. Tar June 20th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    “but I’d like to see Phelps get 2-3 months in the 5th slot so he can hopefully take on a bigger role in 2013. Like they did with Nova.”

    And what happens if he does bad? Or somebody goes down to injury? That leaves you with no Hughes( and his 66% of his starts at 3 runs or less ). You willing to roll the dice.

    “bad overall relative to how other starters have pitched.”

    You can look at that way, I look at that he gave his team an excellent chance to win in a vast majority of his starts. We are not talking about a number 1 or 2 in the rotation here.

  24. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    You are comparing Hughes to Bruce Chen, who is 35 y.o?

  25. blake June 20th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    “blake, that is true, more velo (supposedly, at least in 2011) and a killer slider; the kid had nasty stuff, but you are still trading for a righty flyball pitcher who will give up some jacks at NYS.”

    yea I know….just sayin

  26. blake June 20th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Kevin Goldstein ?@Kevin_Goldstein

    Scout notes on Cuban free agent OF Yasel Puig: Physical, plus runner, avg bat, avg power, decent in CF, not a lock to stay there.

  27. blake June 20th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    The Mets are trying their best to blow this game

  28. blake June 20th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Mets win

  29. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Report: Yasel Puig defects from Cuba
    By Mike Axisa
    9:00pm: Kevin Goldstein provided a brief scouting report on Puig: “Physical, plus runner, avg bat, avg power, decent in CF, not a lock to stay there.”

    11:30am: Via Jesse Sanchez, 21-year-old outfielder Yasel Puig has defected from Cuba and is in the process of establishing residency in Mexico. Listed at 6-foot-3 and 210 lbs., he is tentatively scheduled to work out for teams later this week. Puig’s agent is in the process of getting his client declared a free agent so he can sign prior to July 2nd, when he would become subject to the spending restrictions implemented by the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    There isn’t much info out there about Puig, who Sanchez describes as “not as seasoned” as Yoenis Cespedes but with “more experience (at a high level)” as Jorge Soler. That doesn’t tell us anything meaningful, unfortunately. He hit 17 homers in Cuba’s top league two seasons ago but did not play last year because they caught him trying to defect and suspended him indefinitely. Here’s a highlight video edited to make Puig look like a superstar-in-waiting. No word on the Yankees’ level of interest or anything like that, all we know right now is that he successful escaped Cuba. · (22) ·

  30. Nick in SF June 20th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Showaltimore loses! :grin:

    Some consolation, we lost no ground to our foes in Tampa and Baltimore, only to the distant Redsocks.

  31. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    I wonder if we are interested in Puig.

  32. Tar June 20th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    “You are comparing Hughes to Bruce Chen, who is 35 y.o?”

    The statement was Hughes has been “bad overall”l because he has a 5 ERA— like Chen ( After looking at Chen’s stats frankly I’m amazed at how well he’s pitched this year. :shock: )

    I disagreed, I do not think Phil has been bad overall.

  33. LGY June 20th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Giving up 3 runs does not give you an excellent chance to win when you are dealing with an inefficient pitcher like Hughes who is going 5-6 innings. You have to at least factor in one run from the bullpen and now you need 5 runs to win. 5 runs in this run scoring environment is not easy. Teams just don’t score that much anymore. Then you have to factor in 3+ innings from the bullpen which hurts you in other games (and why Face said a true 5 ERA pitcher, 9 innings 5 runs per game would have some value)

    And the 66% number doesn’t tell you much without context. Pretty much every major league starter can go out there and give you 3 runs or less in 55-65% of their starts. The thing that separates the bad pitchers from the good ones is the starters who give you a lot of innings and how many clunkers are mixed in.

  34. 4time June 20th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    AJ Burnett gave up 3 runs or less 20 of 33 times last year for us (and 4 runs or less 28 of 33 times)

    In 2010, Burnett gave up 3 runs or less in 19 of 33 games (and 4 runs or less in 24 of 33 starts)

  35. austinmac June 20th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    I’m glad to see the Yankees sign the Cuban lefty and be apparently competitive with Soler. Does anyone have any info, rumor or innuendo about any of the remaining Cubans?

    I do so hate to be losing the competitive financial advantage while seeing success become a disadvantage.

  36. blake June 20th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    “I wonder if we are interested in Puig.”

    they offered supposedly 25 million for Soler and this dude seems to be a similar talent only a couple of years older…..so hopefully…..probably a better chance if he was a pitcher though.

  37. Yank 97 June 20th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    “Pretty much every major league starter can go out there and give you 3 runs or less in 55-65% of their starts.”

    Case in point – Jon Lackey last year gave up 3 ER or less in half of his starts despite sporting a 6.4 ERA. If you expand that to 4 ER – he did that in 75% of his starts :shock:

  38. blake June 20th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Hughes has given up 2 ER’s or less in 8 of his 14 starts this year…..and 6 of his last 8

  39. blake June 20th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    From the little highlight video on Puig he looks like he’s got some serious pop….runs very well….and has a good arm….pretty long swing though so as with all these guys the hit tool is the biggest question…..at 21 though you’d have some development time and looks like there is some upside there.

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock June 20th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    SO John Lackey, who is a washed up sack of sh!t, and who is trending down, is interchangeable with power-armed Phil Hughes, who is approaching his prime years.

    Nice.

  41. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    blake, I don’t think Puig has the upside of Soler, assuming these reports are correct. Soler supposedly has great bat speed and power.

    Tar, my mention of age wasn’t in reference to your argument, but to the earlier comparisons being made between Hughes, an unfinished product, and older established players. I just don’t see the validity of the comparisons.

  42. Tar June 20th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    “AJ Burnett gave up 3 runs or less 20 of 33 times last year for us (and 4 runs or less 28 of 33 times”

    AJ was paid to be number two. Different animal from Hughes this year. BTW how’s AJ doing this year?

    Hughes is trending in the right direction when it comes to innings. A big Part of his innings totals stem from early in the season getting pulled early.

    I’m not saying that he’s had a great year-he hasn’t. he definitely needs to figure out the HR and or tipping issues. But he hasn’t sucked or been “bad overall” either.

    Again Phil is our number 4 or 5 pitcher, he’s not making tons of money and he’s young with plenty of upside.

  43. Tar June 20th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Oh great lackey too. okie dokie

    Ok CC has only pitched to 3 runs or less in 9 of his starts, just like Phil. !!!! Phil is just like CC.!!!

  44. austinmac June 20th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Hughes is one of those guys that have broken our hearts. He gets us excited and then let’s us down. We need to see some sustained success. Today may simply be a bad game or a sign of more of that to come. Truthfully, that is all true of 80 percent of the pitchers.

  45. Pat M. June 20th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Hughes is getting the ” enter through the back door ” treatment again……Hard to understand what goes on here sometimes…..

  46. blake June 20th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Yankeesource @YankeeSource 7h @mrnicweber You would like Puig, he has some issues with his swing but this guy has power to all fields. Ball jumps off bat.

    Yankeesource @YankeeSource 7h @mrnicweber You are probably talking about Yasiel Puig, OF. Young and lots of tools. Long swing that needs to be cut down. Big power.

    Yea I dont know if he has Soler’s upisde…..still sounds intriguing

  47. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Pruf, lol, just saw the above. Perfect representation of Bernie. :)

    Ravel 5K’s in his first 8 short season AB’s. Baby steps.

  48. yankeefeminista June 20th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Those Puig reports sound more promising. The one from RAB/Goldstein seemed to indicate average power.

  49. Nick in SF June 20th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Melky was the first big leaguer to get to 100 hits and also has the highest BA in interleague play.

  50. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Meanwhile, maybe Branyan should get a look up here pretty soon?

  51. LGY June 20th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Ok CC has only pitched to 3 runs or less in 9 of his starts, just like Phil. !!!! Phil is just like CC.!!!

    ———–

    This should tell you why that 3 runs or less stat isn’t meaningful.

  52. Tar June 20th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Who’s spot would he take Rich? Ibanez and Jones make Branyan redundant no?

    As bad as Wise is at the plate, he is the only one that brings that late inning speed/defense to the table. It would be trading speed and defense for power. A better version of Wise would be nice

  53. LGY June 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Tar,

    If Hughes hasn’t been bad overall, what pitchers in MLB have been?

  54. Eroc June 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    FIP is the best way to evaluate a pitcher

    These 3 runs or less, 2 earned runs or less, 4 earned runs or less, 3 runs in 7 starts, 2 runs in 5 starts, etc. doesn’t tell the whole story.

    Those same stats tell you that Bruce Chen has a higher quality start % than CC when in reality, they are not comparable as pitchers.

  55. Tank June 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    If Hughes hasn’t been bad overall, what pitchers in MLB have been?

    ————-

    That’s the problem with using some of the metrics that have been posted here tonight.

    Since even the worst pitchers record quality starts over half the time, what pitchers are bad? Stats can paint any kind of picture you want them to. AJ Burnett was the worst pitcher in baseball in 2010-2011 and the worst starter in Yankee history, yet somehow, he was able to record quality starts more often than not, so that makes him a good investment?

  56. Tar June 20th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    “This should tell you why that 3 runs or less stat isn’t meaningful.”

    No what it tells me is that CC doesn’t have those really bad games that skewer his stats like Phil.
    Also Phil has been CC like in 9 of his 15 starts. And that’s what separates a number 1 and a back end guy. Not how I would classify bad overall. But have at it because Im going to bed

    Good night everyone.

  57. Nick in SF June 20th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    “Also Phil has been CC like in 9 of his 15 starts.”

    Not exactly, CC gives more innings in those starts, no?

    Careful, trying to win arguments with stats is harder than it looks.

  58. austinmac June 20th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    YF,

    Santana had three more Ks tonight. He then left the game, but I don’t know why.

  59. Tar June 20th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    “If Hughes hasn’t been bad overall, what pitchers in MLB have been?”

    LGY

    I’m going to bed, but I’m sure you can find plenty.

    “Not exactly, CC gives more innings in those starts, no?”

    I said CC “LIKE” not CC Exact! :wink: And besides someone has to give that excellent bull-pen a chance to shine.

  60. Nick in SF June 20th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Uh huh. Maybe you should sleep on that. ;)

  61. Pat M. June 20th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Nick in SF………Vince Scully, a drunk, and a lamppost……That’s what I think of the avalanche of stats that can be twisted and misused……

  62. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Tar

    I think Ibanez needs to play less.

  63. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2012 at 12:22 am

    Austinmac, re: Ravel being removed from the game. I assume that after Brooklyn scored the 3 runs in top of sixth and went ahead 6-2, they put Cayones in CF to give Ravel a blow. It was his 3rd game in a row starting in the outfield. I had actually expected him to get some DH days, so hopefully he’s fine and they were just resting him. I wonder if he gets a DH day tomorrow.

    Good night, all.

  64. jacksquat June 21st, 2012 at 1:18 am

    I might have to route for the World Team. :)

  65. Bret The Hitman June 21st, 2012 at 1:24 am

    The one thing in this particular start that fits the pattern in Hughes’ other starts good and bad is the 4 HR surrendered. The dude gives up HR. That’s going to burn a pitcher more often than not.

  66. tomingeorgia June 21st, 2012 at 5:54 am

    Pretty sunrise this morning, particularly as it’s rising on the 1st Place New York Yankees.

  67. blake June 21st, 2012 at 7:14 am

    “FIP is the best way to evaluate a pitcher”

    Nah….I think its a useful stat….but it doest tell you anything about the primary way pitchers get outs…..with their fielders…….

    Hughes is going to give up some homers…..but he does need to cut down on them and if you are going to give up homers you cant walk pretty much anybody…….

  68. Villa Nova-Ya June 21st, 2012 at 7:22 am

    So, I think sometimes it’s pretty funny how it goes with Phil Hughes. One day the trend of posts is that the Yankees should sign him up now before he gets too expensive; then after a bad start, the trend of posts is he should be traded before his value goes down. Such is the life of a young pitcher in NY.

    Surely, Hughes has room for improvement. It’s just interesting to me how the pendulum swings to such extremes on this young man.

    Crappy game yesterday. Best to move on. And thanks to the Mets/Orioles who cooperated so that the Yankee lead is maintained and we can pretend yesterday never happened. ;)

  69. Villa Nova-Ya June 21st, 2012 at 7:25 am

    One other observation about yesterday’s game. Even with the less than pretty start by Hughes, the Yankees were within one run going late into the game. And again, a middle-of-the-order guy (ah-hem) failed to get the timely hit. And then, the law of averages strikes the bullpen, which has been stellar. So, I say, if the bullpen was due to have a clinker, better yesterday than in a game the Yankees were ahead by a couple and poised for a win.

    Every dark cloud has that silver lining, yes? (Even if the silver isn’t quite polished and shiny)

  70. blake June 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Again I think we need to see if this is just a hiccup on Hughes’s trend up…or if its regression back to where he was to start the year…..I personally think its the former….

    Looking a the schedule…..the Yanks need to make some hay here against the Muts and then with Cleveland and the ChiSox……the July schedule is tough.

  71. blake June 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Happy first day of summer!

  72. LGY June 21st, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Long said it was clear Cabrera had talent before he was traded to Atlanta, but was “pudgy” and not as diligent about his career.

    “If Melky committed himself to the Yankees as he does now, he would still be a Yankee,” he said. “And he would say the same thing. He made himself tradeable then.”

    ***

    Cashman: Nunez a shortstop

    On the subject of the Yankees and left field, I continue to think Eduardo Nunez would be best served moving to that position and away from his high-error infield ways. I recognize I am probably a bigger fan of Nunez than most, believing if he played regularly he would hit good pitching with 15-homer power while also providing high-end speed.

    But when I asked about this move recently, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman could not have been more emphatic in disagreeing.

    Cashman said he sees Brett Gardner as an above-average asset in left because of his on-base skills, speed and elite defense.

    “I think he is a shortstop,” Cashman said of Nunez. “He can play the outfield, but he does not profile as an outfield guy. He is a free swinger and his defense would not be a plus. Put his OPS in left field and I think it would rank near the bottom.”

    http://t.co/xnvg8tig

  73. ron June 21st, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Hughes has to start getting positive results with other pitches,other that his fb.
    He has to be able to throw 2 other pitches for strikes,and get outs with them.

    Also he needs more than his fb,against rh hitters.
    When his fb is not working,his other pitches are not good enough to rely on for long stretches,and he does not have the confidence needed in them.

  74. blake June 21st, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Agree with Cash on Nunez…..hes not good enough offensively to play a corner outfield.spot and he does have Gardner’s defense to make up for it…..hes a SS or bust for me….

  75. blake June 21st, 2012 at 7:42 am

    The rest of that Sherman link is about Arod and his power outtage…..hes just not using his legs like he used to. He used to get crazy torque from that leg kick and hip rotation…..hes so spread out in the box now that it seema like to me its tying him up a little bit and hes just not using his legs much…..that could be just how he needs to hit now with his hip.and the injuries ….but hes not getting his hips clear a lot on fastballs and hes having to cheat …..which is killing him on breaking balls as well. His leg kick made him explosive …..if you look at tape from when he played in Texas man he kicked that thing as a timing mechanism then jusy uncoiked on pitches ……hes hitting flat footed now to some degree

  76. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Damn that winning streak was nice.

    I wouldn’t mind starting another one right away.

    ;)

  77. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Hughes needs an effective 3rd pitch.

  78. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:06 am

    After the incredible run of Pitching during the win streak it’s not surprising that it would be followed by a series of clunkers.

    I see this staff as about 3.5 ERA overall which is terrific.

    The BP substantially better.

    Everyone on this staff is capable of generating 15 or more wins.

    The BP will be reinforced with Joba and/or Aardsma.

    Pitching is our strength.

    The O could use a 2nd dimension.

    My 2 cents.

  79. tomingeorgia June 21st, 2012 at 8:09 am

    MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:00 am
    Hughes needs an effective 3rd pitch.
    =====
    That wouldn’t be Mister Splitty, would it?

  80. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:09 am

    If I were a betting Man, I’d bet that Cashman thinks that GGBG is the spark that lights the flame.

    Question is, Can he stay healthy enough to light that fire ?

    Should Cash get some insurance ?

    If it were me I would.

    ;)

  81. blake June 21st, 2012 at 8:10 am

    “Hughes needs an effective 3rd pitch.”

    I think his CU is good enough….he still just doesnt know how to use it though……he doesnt fully trust it. The only thing Hughes really trusts is that 4 seamer…..I wish they had the time and ability to send him to Tampa for a couple of months to see what he could do with a true slider and a 2 seamer…….

  82. blake June 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Id love for Hughes to try a split as well…..but I dont know if he could throw it

  83. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Mister-

    For me, yes.

    A sinker would do just as well. Maybe better.

    He needs to make more use of 2ndary stuff. Especially when he is not commanding his 4-seamer.

    Pitch a little smarter.

    :)

  84. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:12 am

    That was supposed be Mister Tom.

    Duh. Sorry.

    :(

  85. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Blake-

    If he doesn’t trust it he may as well not have it.

    IMO he could learn the split quite easily.

    He has the perfect arm motion and large hands.

    I’ll take a sinker just as easily.

    That CU isn’t getting him anywhere.

    Could be a 4th pitch.

    ;)

  86. ron June 21st, 2012 at 8:14 am

    The changeup might be good enough,but you can’t throw only 6 of them when your fb is nowhere to be found,and your curve is not that good.
    His fb got killed,curve not sure how it got hit,but it could not have been pretty,and he threw only 6 changeups.

    With hughes,it looks like when he does not have his fb,he falls apart.

  87. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Phil Hughes is still a work-in-progress.

    Trying the reliever’s approach is great. Except when the FB command deserts him.

    What then ?

    Take Freddy or Hiroki out to dinner.

    ;)

  88. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:21 am

    But I am happy Phil has ditched that cutter.

    :)

  89. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Nova made the leap to complete Pitcher.

    Time for Phil to do the same.

    Come up with an effective third Pitch that can help you induce GB’s, or get you that extra K when you need it.

    Hughes does not have complete confidence in his CU.

    Nova has complete confidence in all of his stuff.

    When Nova’s FB command deserts him he has several other effective weapons to fall back on.

    Phil doesn’t. And that is one of the main differences.

    There are several others of note.

  90. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Nova can sink his FB.

    And he makes big pitches when has to.

    When the going gets tough he usually gets tougher.

    The arsenal he developed leads to some of the above.

    The rest can’t be taught. It’s in his heart and between his ears.

    ;)

  91. MG June 21st, 2012 at 8:36 am

    I just skimmed quickly through yesterday’s thread and saw that Hughes has already been relegated to Siberia for some who want Phelps, who is completely unproven in the majors, to take his place in the rotation.

    Talk about bipolar reactions.

    Pitchers can survive without their best stuff if they can locate and can live without location with their best stuff. If they have NEITHER, however, they get hammered, as Phil did yesterday.

    Except for the absolute top pitchers in baseball (CC is one of them) this is unanimous in baseball.

    I saw (and posted) very early in the 1st inning yesterday that Phil wasn’t throwing the ball well and that he has missing his spots by a mile, I was not surprised that he threw a bad game, particularly since the ball was flying out of the stadium yesterday.

    The one pitch that really hurt him was the 2 strike CB to Uggla in the 1st inning, if he had gone fastball he would have most likely gotten him out and been out of the inning with no runs, it’s possible that it would have changed the game around (or not).

    You can’t expect a pitcher to be good in every outing, Phil is still learning and is far ahead of the minor leaguers like Phelps on the growth chart.

  92. 86w183 June 21st, 2012 at 8:43 am

    I must be hallucinating.

    The Yanks signed Cuban lefty Omar Luis Rodriguez for $ 4.5 M.

    No way. Hal was using that money to re-furbish his yacht. I read it here.

  93. LGY June 21st, 2012 at 8:47 am

    and is far ahead of the minor leaguers like Phelps on the growth chart.

    ———-

    How so?

  94. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Hughes is going to give up some homers…..but he does need to cut down on them and if you are going to give up homers you cant walk pretty much anybody…….

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    In case it has escaped your attention, Hughes in’t walking anybody. The only one walking less is Pettitte. He’s had 4 games where he’s allowed 5 runs or more. Nova has had 5 in one fewer start. Kuroda, “The Living God Of Pitchers” has 3. His strikeouts are up over a run and a have over any other year except the year (’09) that he relieved.

    Nobody has said he’s been outstanding in every game, but, he also hasn’t been pounded dog meat every time out, either. I’ll still 7 out of 9 pitched games like he’s had from anybody on the staff.

  95. MG June 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am

    LGY June 21st, 2012 at 8:47 am
    and is far ahead of the minor leaguers like Phelps on the growth chart.

    ———-

    How so?
    ———————-
    that is such a ridiculous question I’m not going to waste my time answering, if you can’t figure out that a guy with over 50 starts in the majors plus a win in the playoffs knows a lot more about pitching in rotation that someone who has never started a game in the majors you need to find another sport to follow.

  96. MTU June 21st, 2012 at 8:52 am

    MG-

    Your post leads us into one of the more common themes we see here on LoHud.

    The development of young Pitchers and the issue surrounding them.

    I agree that Guys like Hughes and Nova are still in development with varying degrees of success IMO.

    Part of the problem with that has been a lack of patience at times.

    In Hughes case, they must believe the talent is there or they would never have stuck with him this long.

    We’ll see if yesterday was just clunker or not, and see where the trend leads.

    My contention is that Hughes still needs an effective 3rd pitch.

    They challenged Nova to come up with one and he did.

    The thing was he did so away from the bright lights of NYS.

    Hughes is trying to develop one while still trying to be a part of the ML staff.

    That’s a contrast worth mentioning and being aware of.

    It would be interesting to see if the Yanks would ever challenge Hughes the way they did Nova ?

    ;)

  97. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2012 at 8:54 am

    His strikeouts are up over a run and a ***half***

  98. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Good morning-

    Look at Phil Hughes splits this year and then look at the three years combined 2009 thru 2011. I’m not ready to dump him but he’s not getting righties out this year. Hitting .349 vs previous 3 year average .230.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....hil-hughes

    Rumors, unfounded or not, are out there that the Yankees are scouting other starters, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Cashman and the Steinbrenners bring in another one before the trading deadline, while including Hughes, not Nova, in the deal.

    You can’t live on the fastball alone, no matter on the location. It’s too dependent on the umps strike zone that day and good hitters will hit it.

    Just my 2 cents.

  99. MG June 21st, 2012 at 8:59 am

    MTU, I really think the Yankees used the ‘work on the slider’ theme as an excuse to send Nova down last year to keep Burnett in the rotation, it really had little to do with the decision.

    I know you would like Hughes to throw a splitter, it makes sense to me as well but we don’t know if he’s tried and it didn’t work well or they are just worried about him hurting his arm.

    Pitchers are who they are, the good ones learn how to deal with bad days-like the one Phil had yesterday, in different ways. Hanson is a good pitcher and quickly got off his fastball in the 1st inning and pitched around trouble for awhile but still wasn’t great or that much better than Hughes, particularly if you remove that bad pitch to Uggla in the 1st inning and the 3 runs that quickly followed.

    Pitching is an inexact science, it’s mostly trial and error, and I would have to think Phil and the Yankees learned something yesterday that will help him down the road.

  100. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Whose instructions was it to back off on using his change-up yesterday?

  101. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2012 at 9:04 am

    86w183-

    That 19 yo Cuban lefty dominated Team USA in 2010 semifinals and was named to the all tournament team. Yankees need lefty potential starters.

    Wouldn’t be surprised that they sign a bat-Puig if he’s granted FA before 7/2.

  102. 86w183 June 21st, 2012 at 9:05 am

    My problem with Hughes is his mindset.

    After the game he said of his change up, “Maybe I have to find more opportunities to use it.”

    WRONG

    You have to incorporate it into your routine every time out.

    It’s obvious he still thinks of it as a gimmick pitch to be used only out of necessity.

    That’s why his ERA is 4.94 despite several effective starts.

  103. muwarriorsfan June 21st, 2012 at 9:08 am

    “Pitching is an inexact science, it’s mostly trial and error, and I would have to think Phil and the Yankees learned something yesterday that will help him down the road.”

    He didn’t learn anything in Anaheim, so what makes yesterday any different.

    Phlop is just incapable of adjusting and winning when he doesn’t dominate with his fastball.

  104. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2012 at 9:09 am

    MTU-

    Can’t perfect the splitty with pudgy fingers. Girardi claimed the ball was flying to account for the 9 homers. Did he have anything to say about Hughes and Wade? I don’t believe Wade has had an outing in the last 2 weeks without giving up a run, but I haven’t looked it up. Are the batters figuring him out?

  105. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2012 at 9:10 am

    New Post———–>

  106. 86w183 June 21st, 2012 at 9:11 am

    YT —

    I know the kid is talented…. just couldn’t resist a jab at those who constantly complain that the Yankees wont spend any money on anything.

    Hard to see Puig establishing residency in 10 days, though $$$ buys a lot of governmental cooperation in Central America.

  107. LGY June 21st, 2012 at 9:13 am

    that is such a ridiculous question I’m not going to waste my time answering, if you can’t figure out that a guy with over 50 starts in the majors plus a win in the playoffs knows a lot more about pitching in rotation that someone who has never started a game in the majors you need to find another sport to follow.

    ———-

    So simply pitching in the majors automatically qualifies you to be further along in your development?

    Hughes is in his six season in the majors yet has about 1.5 pitches and a 5 ERA.

    So what is it about pitching that Hughes knows more of and is further developed in? Is he more developed than Nova because he’s been in the majors longer?

  108. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I see Cheese-For-Brains is done helping his daddy milk the bulls.

  109. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Hughes is in his six season in the majors yet has about 1.5 pitches and a 5 ERA.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    and lost more than two years because of injuries and another in relief, What’s your point?

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